the-dark-ages

[delicate grotto]

They really do. TDA has the best art direction of any Doom game imo.

[placid saffron]

i mean you just say "i disagree" with no substance behind it so what do you want me to say anyways 😭

[plucky plinth]

I just hate how they massacred mah Caco :(

[obsidian shard]

i agree, That Cyber-Demon has me

[obsidian shard]

DOOM3 Caco

[unkempt apex]

I don't have to explain myself to you because I know you won't care about my opinion

[delicate grotto]

Huh?

[unkempt apex]

I've already tried

[unkempt apex]

Replied to the wrong comment sry

[plucky plinth]

Wasn’t really a fan of that one, either

[delicate grotto]

Oh you’re good lol

[obsidian shard]

Fair enough

[plucky plinth]

They’re good designs, but I just prefer the meatball Cacos

[placid saffron]

You can still tend to apply some of it, but i didn't really just bring up very broad game design ethos though

[feral vault]

Way too iconic

[unborn tiger]

doom the badly lit ages?

[obsidian shard]

i was aboutt to say this

[unkempt apex]

TDA art direction looks amazing tho, I feel like they have done a very good job on that front with modern id games

[delicate grotto]

Yeah I’m hoping that isn’t the actual Cacodemon and just some sub species. We’ll see though, lol. Still a cool design, gonna miss the goofy meatball though.

[placid saffron]

i mean if i read that i just think you don't actually have one, beacuse you refuse to actually engage with it

[unkempt apex]

Whatever helps you sleep at night

[placid saffron]

"uhm no i actually have a very nuanced reasoning for it, but i won't tell you because uhhhh you suck!"

[unborn tiger]

man they really need to fix the lights if that's the case

[obsidian shard]

I HOPE WE GET THE DOOM 64 PAIN ELEMENTALS

[unborn tiger]

is hell too broke to pay electric bills???

[delicate grotto]

Hell yes, I love that horrific design. Pain Elementals are some of my favorite demons in Doom.

[unborn tiger]

is he stupid????

[placid saffron]

and another non answer

[delicate grotto]

They’re annoying af but the design always slaps

[obsidian shard]

My Brothers Favourite Demon

yup

[delicate grotto]

Bro has great taste

[unkempt apex]

The only thing I really hate about the art direction in the new doom games is the colourful pickups and ammo drops

[wheat sigil]

had him checked for insanity?

[plucky plinth]

They take over planets to get the money to pay the bills lmao

[unborn tiger]

new lore just dropped

[placid saffron]

i love it, lets me actually know at a glance what something is and where it is

plus d16 wasn't that bright right?

[delicate grotto]

Nah, you don’t like being body blocked by 50 lost souls?

[plucky plinth]

It wasn’t

The game was overall quite muted in its colors

[obsidian shard]

My Only Complaint was that

DOOM The Dark Ages, kinda does both

Not as Colourful and not a Muted

so peak

[plucky plinth]

I liked it being muted

[unkempt apex]

I'd love to see a mod that replaces those models with more dark and gritty versions tbh.. I'd love for the ammo drops just to be actual shells too tbh

[plucky plinth]

I don’t exactly have an opinion on the colorful palette of Eternal, however

[obsidian shard]

theres really aspects from both for the designs and colours for this

[wheat sigil]

there are mods for that lol

[plucky plinth]

I like it, I don’t hate it. But I don’t fully care for it either.

[unkempt apex]

I searched the other week but couldn't find anything

[wheat sigil]

maybe not on the official mod portal, idk what's on there, but at least on nexus there is

[unkempt apex]

Nah, it doesn't stop me from playing or anything, just a preference for myself

[unkempt apex]

That's where I looked

[delicate grotto]

Pickups being bright I like.
But with TDA’s art direction, I’m hoping weapons and key items don’t float around all Arcade-like. At least have some worldbuilding around it. It worked with Eternal since that game is a lot more bright and high energy.

But I feel like that would clash with TDA’s surroundings

[placid saffron]

honestly i liked the floating weapons, makes them obvious where they are

[obsidian shard]

ammo is Like 2016
Armor and Health is mix of both

[unkempt apex]

I'd rather it just be actual real looking shells spilling out all over the ground

[delicate grotto]

It does, but I really liked how weapons were integrated in 2016, sometimes making them secrets.

[placid saffron]

would probably be visually too unclear

[unkempt apex]

Yeah, it just breaks immersion a bit for me

[plucky plinth]

Honestly, yeah

[obsidian shard]

ye

[unkempt apex]

I'm not saying they should make it one way or the other.. but it would be nice to have an option

[plucky plinth]

It worked in id Tech 1 games just due to how bodies stayed where they were and how usually the pickup sprites didn’t clash with the environment (in the sense they were always upright)

But it probably wouldn’t work in any newer Doom game

[unkempt apex]

You could always have a indicator/highlighter option the the menu, make it default too or make the floating bright colourful stuff default.. but not everyone loves it

I just play it off in my head that it's doomguys visor making them that way in-game 😅

[obsidian shard]

makes sense

or/and PTSD

[unkempt apex]

It's the demonic presence that's making him hallucinate lol

[plain iron]

Gonna be fr its probably the ptsd

Ptsd attacks can be triggered by certain things

Ie demons

[unkempt apex]

its that DPSD

demonic presence stress disorder

[plain iron]

... no it's ptsd, his triggers just involve demons

[unkempt apex]

.... k

[ebon shale]

r/woosh

[plain iron]

[obsidian shard]

[plain iron]

It's too early for this shit

[obsidian shard]

real

at least i got cat sleeping om my arm

[unkempt apex]

[wooden acorn]

Day 52 of 112

[rugged hill]

have they said anything about pain elementals in TDA?

[vapid lodge]

Im so hyped about TDA that I dreamt last night playing it

what is wrong with my brain

[obsidian shard]

I Hope

[vapid jacinth]

i expect good to dark age

[obsidian shard]

Indeed

[feral vault]

I did the same last month lol

[unkempt apex]

i had a dream about gta 6 last night 😄

[wooden acorn]

It could have been a premonition

[prime sentinel]

lmao, yeah, any gameplay details you can share with us?

[blissful lagoon]

did it involve standing and fighting

[prime sentinel]

hmmm doubtful

I'm imagining a wheelchair section like in Wolf 2

[blissful lagoon]

i would kill for that

[wooden acorn]

Doomguy had a motorized laz-y boy recliner chair

Had machine guns attached to it

[blissful lagoon]

and beer

[sleek ermine]

People, what if… DOOM Slayer is Commander Keen’s grandson

[prime sentinel]

not much would change lmao

[vapid lodge]

I actually tend to believe this could be, but not for this dream... I was refraining from saying it but I will lol

back in 2023 I remember I was attending a convention like comic con

(dreaming again)

[grim cloud]

new computer and monitor set up, ready for TDA

[vapid lodge]

And I was shocked and thrilled to get a new announcement of a new game, and I remember we went somewhere in the back of the whole building and we got copies of the new game before anyone else

I was so fucking extremely hyped man, that felt so REAL

God I was so hyped before Eternal

but this dream was after that

anyway I dont know why I dont feel that extreme hype with Dark Ages because I have nothing against it, I am happy to play it and already bought the helmet and statue

maybe its my age but I want to be jumping around like bugs bunny again

[prime sentinel]

I think I'm more hyped for this than I was for Eternal

I'm not sure why, maybe because this one is taking such a swing

of course Eternal ended up being a very different game from 2016 but that was kinda hard to tell before release

the general sentiment (at least in communities I was in) was that it was just going to be more 2016 but with a cartoon-y style

[proud vine]

i still don't get why people hate the music in tda so much

it's not mick gordon but it sure is peak

[prime sentinel]

they don't hate it

or at least, I don't think that's the prevailing opinion

I think a lot of people are uneasy about it because this group is unproven to fans, I think it'll be great personally

[obsidian shard]

Finishing Move has done some Awesome work

[obsidian shard]

I agree, ALOT of people are going "it's not Mick, so bad"

[proud vine]

idk i have looked around and it seems that there are alot of bad feelings around tda music

[prime sentinel]

I think it’s just a loud vocal minority

And it’s mainly just people upset about the Mick Gordon situation

[obsidian shard]

Which is Understandable but This game has nothing to do with Mick

For Eternal with TAG I can see

[proud vine]

i still don't fully understand what happened with mick tbh

i know he got treated badly but that's about it

[prime sentinel]

We don’t have all the details

[proud vine]

fair enuogh

[obsidian shard]

Pretty Much He Signed a Contract, Contract had a tight Deadline, He couldn't reach it, Marty and Bethesda Where Pretty Firm On the Deadline, Marty said They Had an OST Deal but they never did. Mick was also not Paid Properly.

That's the Jist of it

[proud vine]

classic corporate shit basically

[obsidian shard]

Ye

Both side had Fault

One just had more

TLDR: Mick Didn't live up to the Contract, Bethesda Didn't Pay him when they should, And then Lied about The OST

That's About it

[proud vine]

also it might be a controversial opinion but i think that mick's style wouldn't have worked with tda new direction

[obsidian shard]

I agree, The Synth Stuff would've been too much

For Medieval

[feral cargo]

Hello, do we know if Mick Gordon is back to writing OST for TDA?

[prime sentinel]

He is not

[proud vine]

speaking of the devil

[prime sentinel]

It’s a team called finishing move

[obsidian shard]

It fits the Other games Good, due to the play style and Environments

[prime sentinel]

You can hear snippets on YouTube

[obsidian shard]

It's done by Finishing Move INC

[feral cargo]

who are they?

[obsidian shard]

Sounds so good

[obsidian shard]

Musicians

[feral cargo]

known or noname?

[prime sentinel]

4 guys

[proud vine]

one track called "infernal chasm" has been teased recently

[prime sentinel]

Mick Gordon wasn’t really known before 2016, that’s a weird question

But they have worked on a number of projects

Mostly with Microsoft

[obsidian shard]

They did
Borderlands 3
Halo Wars 2
Halo 2 Remaster
The Colistal Protocol
MS Flight Sim

Just to name a few

[feral cargo]

oho, that's pretty good

[fleet spruce]

yeah, the snippets and what was shown in the direct is awesome

[obsidian shard]

Ye

[feral cargo]

borderlands 3 ost was killer

[proud vine]

the first trailer music is my favorite for now ngl

[obsidian shard]

I Prefer Infernal Chasm

[fleet spruce]

same

[obsidian shard]

That's called Unchained Predator

[proud vine]

banger name ngl

[fleet spruce]

like first 30 sec of the gameplay sizzle blew me away while listening in earbuds

[obsidian shard]

Both of them are really good

[prime sentinel]

Love the references to running from evil in infernal chasm

[obsidian shard]

Like some People Hating the OST now even though They Liked the First trailer

[obsidian shard]

And I swear I hear some Domination from Pantera in it

And pretty Sure there is some At DOOMS Gate in Unchained Predator

[proud vine]

speaking of at DOOMS gate i would love to hear a cover of it in tda

[obsidian shard]

Finishing Move Version

[proud vine]

yes

[obsidian shard]

I agree

[prime sentinel]

In the 11 minute dev direct there is a track with countdown to death in it

This soundtrack will have no shortage of classic doom music references

[obsidian shard]

It's sounding so good

Hope they release another Teaser this week

Also It sounds dumb but I am Excited for the Cut scenes

[frail bloom]

You think they're almost done with the soundtrack or are they already done

I saw the allstin vid btw, do you think they'll make new instruments?

Like what the heck is a "murder box"? Sounds wicked

[spiral cypress]

is rx7700tx gonna be able to run doom tda?

[obsidian shard]

I think it is done

[obsidian shard]

Finishing Move has made quite a few Instruments

Including their own Synths

[frail bloom]

I can't wait man, they're hiding something and I know it

Something big

[obsidian shard]

Yeah

And they've Been using ancient Old Medieval Instruments

That they had to learn to play

[frail bloom]

Yeah they're going the extra mile for this

Wonder why no one talks about that, and calls them generic

[obsidian shard]

Ya, Really the same love for this as Mick have

[frail bloom]

Sad, they're putting heart into this

[obsidian shard]

Can't get past

[frail bloom]

True

[obsidian shard]

Mick Grew Big from DOOM
I believe the same will happen to Finishing Move

[formal root]

if they are using old medieval instruments

please do bring back the chants that eternal had

[obsidian shard]

They are

[formal root]

YESSS

[obsidian shard]

We've heard quite a few so far

[frail bloom]

We've already heard that in unchained predator

[obsidian shard]

Ye

[formal root]

my favorite rn is infernal chasm

[obsidian shard]

Same

[frail bloom]

The lyrics are somethjng like "go, now, wrath unleashed" or smt

During the end

[obsidian shard]

Ye

[frail bloom]

Same as well, listening to it while in the car is an experience

[obsidian shard]

Sounds like Like the Sentinel language

[frail bloom]

Did they refine the language this time

[obsidian shard]

Probably

[formal root]

along with how it just feels like its a race against time due to how fast paced it sounds

its like “theres demons, and they’re killing everyone. Hurry up”

[obsidian shard]

It just sounds so good

[formal root]

it does

I love in the video at 0:35, you can hear the chants with the guitar and ughh

so good

[obsidian shard]

Real

[dark peak]

imagine if they make the fire rate of the rocket launcher like in doom

[autumn dawn]

whats up hope there weren't any arguments that led to someone ripping and tearinggg

[grizzled spoke]

Refunded hitman woa, I guess im ride or die for this game. The money will stay in my steam wallet till a game i like pops up, hopefully its this one

[humble moon]

I played doom the dark ages before yall

[hard thistle]

@humble moon are you talking about in your dreams or that of doom mod?

[humble moon]

now you got me thinking

[hard thistle]

If you played it already. You shouldn't have to think. Just know. So I say your making it up

[obsidian shard]

Blud is indeed making it up

[unkempt apex]

i already beat the dark ages

[obsidian shard]

Damn

[unkempt apex]

8/10
-IGN

[humble moon]

I'm not

I played the part where doomguy said "Yes"

[autumn dawn]

"do you have nothing to say to your destroyer before you bring him back to life?"

[humble moon]

Lmao

[sterile sage]

Metascore 95>=?

[vapid lodge]

The thing is that people are mostly upset that Mick is not part of TDA, or that nobody could outmatch his skills...

Im afraid people will spam No Mick No buy kinda spam on the Steam reviews...

Even if Mick is used to the more modern style... I highly doubt that he would have any trouble creating stuff for TDA

[slender onyx]

i honestly like the music in TDA being "generic"

what mick did is great obviously but some of classic doom's OST is basically a bunch of 80s and 90s metal riffs for the most part

[fleet spruce]

I love Mick's work on 2016 and Eternal but i found myself listening more to Levy's and Hulshult's work on Ancient Gods DLCs

[vapid lodge]

We will never know the truth but what makes you think that Mick did what you said without any "proof" from Bethesda or id?

Afaik I know that Marty made that huge reddit post... but Mick had many screenshots and emails when he broke silence. He had everything to show.

Why would one man go against Bethesda and id ? He even emailed zenimax.... One man would have no chance against this.

After the whole drama, bethesda or id responded back with a very SIMPLE message, with nothing to back them up....

[fleet spruce]

https://youtu.be/F_1l6oDwilg?si=T0p3CTDOtiBpeYV7

[ancient locust]

this game costs too much

for the economy in my country

i nee to sell my liver

[obsidian shard]

Mick Stated multiple times in his Essay that He couldn't do the Dates that Were set for him, and although he tried Setting new Dates with Bethesda, They Said No, And That is really the Only thing that is HIS fault

He was given a contract with due dates for music he didn't live up to

He signed the Contract knowing the Dates

That is his Fault

At Least he was able to say this part is my bad

(unlike Bethesda)

95% Bethesda Fault 5% Mick's

[autumn dawn]

me too, man

me too

[left solstice]

50 something days left

[vapid lodge]

Yeah I understand this but they would refuse to give him any concept arts or they would avoid his emails...

But yeah youre right, poor Mick went through so much.

Idk whats bethesda's truth to this.

We will never let it go

[fringe crag]

Awsome suace

[warm ibex]

lmao I'm working on that

[raw relic]

i got an unpopular opinion but green doesn't look good

they shoudl have made it dark metallic jade or went all grey like rest of the suit

or even metallic blueish

[ripe sky]

guys who plays doom here!!!11!!

[sterile sage]

When will the review of the press preview be uploaded?

[obsidian shard]

March 31

[summer obsidian]

Anyone else notice that a shield saw that looks a lot like tda’s was in the invincible atom eve special

[weak imp]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-lord-davoth-doom-eternal-dark-lord-dying-doom-slayer-gif-21577214

[prime sentinel]

They can’t change the doom guy’s armor color, it’s so iconic

[raw relic]

i though so since rest of their games looks too good for them to be aesthetically challenged

[prime sentinel]

Looks perfectly great to me :p

[raw relic]

would prefer the graphite grey

[prime sentinel]

Why don’t you like the green?

Grey would be too bland imo

Besides there are gonna be skins you can use

[raw relic]

i mean metallic

[prime sentinel]

I think it would be strange for them to change his default color

Considering the doom guy is such an iconic design

[raw relic]

i understand that tradition was the motive im just saying its aesthetically inferrior

also who cares about tradition

also i would change the black bear cap into a nazgulish

[prime sentinel]

No it’s not aesthetically inferior lol

[plain iron]

A lot of gamers 💀

A lot of gamers would be insulted at the idea of a non-green doomguy

[prime sentinel]

It looks great, metallic silver would be bland, he would not stand out in scenes full of grey and brown

[raw relic]

wait they already done it

#screenshots

void doom skin, its like the 4th time i posted an idea i had to improve doom and then i saw it was already implem,ented

[prime sentinel]

Yeah it’s an optional skin

[raw relic]

tahts whats beautiful about option we need more of them

since they are optional... so no one should complain

[prime sentinel]

I assume like doom eternal there will be many skins

Also that’s a preorder bonus so many players won’t even have that option

[raw relic]

i think im gonna get mad

[plain iron]

I wish we could change the Cape colour tbh

Black doesn't belong on the divinity skin frfr

[raw relic]

alos texture bc nazgul would look gooder than a bear

the thing i would change about teh skin is contrst

make dark slightly darker and silver slightly lighter

idk how much i care about the skin relatively to waiting till game gets cheaper than 70 euro

[grizzled spoke]

Wait… dark ages has a sprint?

Classic doom sprint?

[ancient locust]

: (

[delicate grotto]

Yes. Not sure how it’ll play out in game though. We’ve got no info on it other than that it exists.

[lucid saffron]

auto sprint please

[wooden acorn]

Day 53 of 112

[weary lion]

For Honor for real got to collab with Doom on this one, Conqueror skin idea tbh

[grim cloud]

It is the last monday of winter, before TDA comes out

[feral cargo]

...yes?

[weak imp]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-lord-davoth-doom-eternal-the-ancient-gods-gif-11210472527101146645

[lucid saffron]

hello Darius

[lucid saffron]

unless the hedgehog says elsewise

[obsidian shard]

Almost there guys

We're basically half way

[frail bloom]

Counting everyday is gonna make it slower tbh

[upbeat lark]

True

[frail bloom]

But I don't think it's generic, and they've only shown us curated previews, I'm waiting for the whole ost to drop, so far it's awesome

[hard thistle]

I'm curious about something. Do y'all think Finishing Move will release the entire soundtrack for DOOM: The Dark Ages?

Listening to the short versions of "Unchained Predator" and "Infernal Chasm" on YouTube is amazing!

[ebon shale]

They better

I mean if they don't they would just be losing on a whole lot of money I feel

[warm ibex]

The premium edition comes with a full soundtrack download, so the whole thing will be uploaded to youtube on launch day even if Finishing Move doesn't do it themselves

[sleek ermine]

Why only oh wait…

[uneven lintel]

Got a hardware question to anyone savvy enough, I have an i5-10400 and an RTX 4060, would that be enough to run Dark Ages? I've seen videos of people running the Indiana Jones game with my setup on low to high 1080p up to low-mid 2K/4K and the requirements are really similar

[ebon shale]

yeah you should be fine. I mean technically speaking the min requirements say the 10th gen 8 core not the 6 core, but I highly doubt that will be a big deal. maybe you wont get consistent 60 frames

[mental jasper]

[uneven lintel]

I also feel might be hiccups but nothing major, all this based on the indiana jones game since it also runs on id tech 8

Thanks for the answer

[slender night]

IJ runs on 7

[simple mist]

Would I be destroyed for saying....I kinda like infernal chasm more than some of the eternal ost? Really good overall,especially because of some of the riffs.

Idk I just really like how TDA is going for a different feel soundtrack wise

[frail bloom]

That's completely fine if you think that, I feel that way too. I like it better than metal hell, supergore nest and rip and tear

But there's only like a couple of snippets so I'm waiting till I hear something that actually blows me away

[simple mist]

On that same level at the least

[frail bloom]

Yes on the same level for me

[simple mist]

Gonna bump this on bench press day fr

[hard thistle]

I personally like the guitar work for the dark ages’ soundtrack better than the past two games’

[grim cloud]

patiently waiting for pc gamer doom dark ages issue ... probably another week out

mabye get some news screenshots, concept art,

[grizzled umbra]

Is $70 the price for pre-purchase/pre-order or is that the final price

[formal root]

70$ for the standard edition

100$ for the premium edition

I think

[plain iron]

That's so little compared to the Australian prices 😭

[grizzled umbra]

Oh so final ig

[cobalt fog]

Hey yall how about an iron flail

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-slayer-doom-the-dark-ages-mace-fire-gif-1104031989150281480

[raw relic]

what is the DLC?

[grim cloud]

a handful of more campaign levels most likely

i have hope for invasion mode, but that will not happen. im still butt hurt over it

[hard thistle]

Or maybe an electrified gauntlet

[grim cloud]

game needs a sword and axe, that would be cool, i want to do full melee mode

[feral vault]

Ha y'all good on Brazil that shit is 350 reais the base version

500 the premium edition

[feral vault]

This is like 1/3 of the minimum wage

[raw relic]

liek zombies?

[grim cloud]

u invade as other demons to kill teh slayer, it was a mode for Doom Eternal, got cancelled because of covid pretty much

[raw relic]

for 90 euros premium edition might not be a terrible deal

i think the biggest change the game (most games) needs is hypercustomization

[proud vine]

it's 110 euros from where i live

[raw relic]

i know but green man has it for 91

[proud vine]

peak price ngl

tbh as long as the game is worth the price i don't mind spending an extra 10 bucks

[quiet egret]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-the-dark-ages-doom-dark-ages-doom-dark-ages-doomguy-gif-15980962764398322199

[delicate grotto]

Peak

[upbeat lark]

True peak

[grizzled umbra]

The peak that is being stabbed into my wallet lol

[copper torrent]

Depends on Id and Bethesda. I think this time there'll be no issues

[copper torrent]

Silly of you to think he wouldnt be able to adapt

[hard thistle]

Oh cool!!

[scenic lichen]

I hope horde mode returns

[plain iron]

Just work for 3 hours then, simple :D

[gaunt patio]

is dark ages releasing on gamepass?

[hard thistle]

Day one

[feral vault]

minimum wage minimum effort

[gaunt patio]

alr thanks

[autumn dawn]

i think the armored baron will make a return in TDA

[nimble plover]

When is Dark Ages coming out?

[gaunt patio]

may 13th i think

[autumn dawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGFuaVUI6_E

timestamp: 2:00

why do the mancubus fireballs look so slow?

[plucky plinth]

could be done to exaggerate that TDA returns to the Classic's bullet hell style of gameplay

[autumn dawn]

do you think they'll change that in the final release?

[plucky plinth]

you can change it yourself more than likely

I'll probably keep it either at that or slightly higher speed personally

[autumn dawn]

also watching this, i feel really infuriated by the slow mo effects

[plucky plinth]

I like them personally

... just realized I've also been saying "personally" way too much

but anyways, I've always been more of a fan of the older games, so I've been liking the more "return to form"

[autumn dawn]

what do you think of the player's ability to make the game harder to fit the needs of every sweaty gamer, or easier than a roblox game, with the new slider system?

(note i am not criticizing the game, bear with me i've always talked with analogies and similes)

[plucky plinth]

honestly, I like it

I am very into accessibility into games, and like even tiny things like that

[autumn dawn]

maybe, but it would be a pretty funny easter egg if: the player has all sliders turned down for maximum ez mode, then the devs troll them by putting in an invincible, instakill demon to punish them

[hard thistle]

I would get sick of them pretty quickly while playing

[woven jolt]

they slowed down the projectiles for this game, Hugo said slower but deal more damage

plus, there will be a bunch on screen

[summer obsidian]

May 15th for standard, may 13th for premium and collectors

[fleet spruce]

Yeah, and to compensate for their speed there's dozens of them as well

I don't remember that classic mancubus even threw half this many projectiles at once

Unless like Astral Mancubus from Eviternity 2 (which is absolutely evil by the way)

[lucid saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-more-gif-21856591

[winter idol]

more concept art

[vagrant path]

That's concept art????

[obsidian shard]

Yup

Crazy good

[vagrant path]

I deadass thought this was an ingame screenshot for a second.

[winter idol]

you want in game?

https://bsky.app/profile/doom.com/post/3lklek2jmlj2e

DOOM (@doom.com)

Hebeth Rooftops

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Bluesky · Mar 17, 2025, 2:30 PM

[plain iron]

Yup, AAA game concept art needs to be that high quality, if you actually look at the drawing you can see where they blocked out the colours too

[delicate grotto]

This game looks incredible

[delicate grotto]

Confirmed we’ll be exploring Hebeth? Sick

[wooden acorn]

Day 54 of 112

[hard thistle]

mother?

I finally found you

[grim cloud]

looks like that is the on foot part of hebeth. Maybe a race to get to a atlan before bonking titans?

[obsidian shard]

def

[unreal tide]

55 days Slayers

How many days early you think we'll get collectors editions cause we get to play 3 days early?

[proud vine]

a month and an half before we get to play peak

[unreal tide]

I'd say atleast a week before early access would be nice

[proud vine]

i mean unless you get the console version you still would have to wait for the 13th

[unreal tide]

Yeah ofcourse, I ordered the Xbox collectors edition through Microsoft

Still waiting for a shipping number email tho

I want my foot tall statue dammit

[tribal lagoon]

A lot of concept art is being posted on there social medias

The Doom Instagrams been posting pretty frequently

[frail bloom]

VERY doom 2016 coded, I cannot wait man

[formal root]

I need this game already

oh my god

[upbeat lark]

Same here I can’t wait any longer

[torpid lynx]

same

[frail bloom]

Wait why is there a floating npc lol

Did no one else notice

[formal root]

quite sure its still work in progress

you cannot rush this “rip and tear”cake

its still gooey and mushy on the inside

[frail bloom]

Very true, but still funny

Someone make a meme out it please

[formal root]

actually, yeah

game development should be explained like that

Its like making a cake

and the pre-ordering is just getting the cake delivered early with some extra sweets on it

I cannot wait tho

its looking very promising

[hard thistle]

First thing I noticed was that group of guys just standing there completely motionless

[obsidian shard]

id like to add that the Stuff we saw from the Dev Direct was several Months Old, Like Quakecon and Older old

[sudden zenith]

you guys think that people would get like rewards for playing eternal on TDA

[frail bloom]

The majority of people thankfully knows this but there are some people who don't even know when it takes place so we're just gonna have to wait till it releases

Or that preview

[neon perch]

Fascinating how they seem to be aiming for a middlegrounds between 2016's ambience and Eternal's art direction.

Looks great.

[plain iron]

It's not fully animated I presume

[formal root]

definetly get 2016 vibes

specially with the color scheme, reminds me of argent d’nur

[charred wolf]

Just hope that they don't do something incredibly dumb like.. lock out the last level or two from being played because you're not playing it at a certain difficulty.

[prime sentinel]

lol I highly doubt that

[nocturne marsh]

DOOM GUY????

how is isabele? 😮

[winter idol]

the lighting looks alot better than it did in eternal, back to the darker shadows

[plain iron]

Which hopefully will look great on OLED, plus it makes the scene much more dramatic? I think?

[graceful lion]

lot of noise on the fires

[grizzled umbra]

Taras Nabas was in Hebeth right? They got a pretty cool war setting going on

[gilded lake]

no; the portal to sentinel prime is located in the ruins of hebeth

[grizzled umbra]

Oh

Consequences of half listening to Hayden

[winter idol]

hebeth is on mars

we will be going back to mars

[hard thistle]

We now have footage of Hugo Martin saying "doom the woke ages" dawg 😭

[acoustic cosmos]

i need to see that lol

[placid saffron]

Uhhh based alert???

[grizzled umbra]

dem damn sliders

[native geode]

Yall think my asus gaming laptop can run the dark ages

[tropic raft]

I still don't understand why some people call Doom "woke", when its cleary not 🤣

Its the most based franchise out there.

[prime sentinel]

honestly anyone who would say such a phrase unironically does not deserve to have their comment responded to

its just absurd

[plain iron]

It's funny when people say TDA is woke because woman, bcs like. Be fr there's several women in doom already

[tropic raft]

These people would hate Metroid

[prime sentinel]

grifters do not actually play video games, they just use them as culture war ammunition.

[plain iron]

Or like. "Oh why is there diversity." BRO. I've never seen a game do diversity better than doom 😭

They're subtle about it and it's great

[prime sentinel]

uh I guess? I mean, not that I'm opposed to that factoring in but I wouldn't laud doom for its diversity necessarily :p

[tropic raft]

Tbh i don't care about diversity at all. As long the game has fun gameplay, good story and good characters. Im happy.

[winter idol]

doom dosnt even have any characters to do diversity

[plain iron]

Like hello intern, valen, disabled woman Olivia Pierce, man w cancer [Samuel] and a good representation of trauma [doomguy n the daisy hallucination n shit]

It's not in your face, I like it

[prime sentinel]

I think you're reading a bit too deep into that last one...

man with cancer isn't really diversity lol

[plain iron]

Fuck it's better than most games 💀

[prime sentinel]

meh, I can think of lots of great games with diverse casts

again, I am not at all opposed to diversity even remotely

also how is the Intern an example?

because he's a nerd?

[plain iron]

Bro he's Asian 😭

[tropic raft]

If the characters are written great, then there is no problem.

[prime sentinel]

I agree

[slender night]

One being the star of an entire movie

A shit movie but a movie nonetheless

[prime sentinel]

lol I didn't even notice, honestly didn't even really think about it

Samuel Hayden is like secretly an interdimensional being

[plain iron]

And valen is a black dude, I think at least [do all argenta folk look like that? Is he meant to look like that?]

[winter idol]

valen is black?

[prime sentinel]

isn't he technically an alien too?

or is that not how it works lol

[plain iron]

Fuck he looks it 😭

Lemme get the book rq

[slender night]

We have Phobos anyway

[tropic raft]

The betrayer?

[winter idol]

bro hes white as fuck

[slender night]

It's not like directly DOOM because he's a Quake character but very close to it

[prime sentinel]

either way, in terms of race, I expect media to represent all kinds of different people, its true to life

[plain iron]

Ehhh

[prime sentinel]

actually, I see it...

he's got a glare on him

[winter idol]

its his hair

[prime sentinel]

anyway, not that its particularly relevant

[prime sentinel]

he's old

[plain iron]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1278629590797123602/1351944640441618583/20250320_024458.jpg?ex=67dc3810&is=67dae690&hm=54121bda458fb4099553aa3911a1a9724f086ed6824705b5397d68f60367b6b5&

I don't think he's supposed to be a white dude 💀

[tropic raft]

Badass design, also who cares what race he is.

[plain iron]

Valen jumpscare.

[winter idol]

who the hell is this

[prime sentinel]

looks like its from the art book?

[slender night]

In a discussion revolving around it it's fair to bring up

[winter idol]

so concept art

not final

[plain iron]

His art in the art of doom eternal

[tropic raft]

Fair enough.

[prime sentinel]

wouldn't let me post that lol

[plain iron]

I have his final design in the book too

[winter idol]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EuDwJZoXYAE5xEY.jpg:large

[plain iron]

I think at least

[prime sentinel]

there we go

[winter idol]

yea no hes white

[prime sentinel]

i dunno...

[plain iron]

That ain't a white man 💀

[tropic raft]

Yeah im staying out of this silly argument.

[plain iron]

He's just got a lighter skintone

[winter idol]

either way, hes an ancient alien thing

[plain iron]

I could almost say he's a islander

[tropic raft]

Remind me where he came from again?

[prime sentinel]

he's a sentinel right?

so he's not even human?

[plain iron]

Reminds me of one of my uncles

[winter idol]

who even knows what the sentinels are

[plain iron]

Ehh the argenta do display different skin tones

[winter idol]

they were on mars so they could just be the origin of humans

[prime sentinel]

clearly made in the image of Davoth

[prime sentinel]

wasn't saying that isn't the case

was just saying he's technically not even human afaik

[plain iron]

Iirc there's even one w vitaligo (in sentinel prime)

[prime sentinel]

do we know if he was based off of a face model? like is there a person he's based off of lol

[plain iron]

There's probably a person who did his motion capture

[prime sentinel]

a lot of games usually use a real person as the face model

so I wasn't sure if that was the case

also, Valen would be a good character for a sequel to Quake Champions

[slender night]

Just make a Quake V man

[plain iron]

Ehh i wouldn't be too sure. Have you seen the intern's first model? That shit was lowkey scuffed

[prime sentinel]

lots of reasons why I don't think that's gonna happen

[slender night]

More likely than a QC 2

[prime sentinel]

muddy ahh franchise

doesn't have 1 distinct identity

[plain iron]

Also why didn't we get any physical TAG concept art its so sad [yes Ik Emerson has it online i just want it in a book]

[slender night]

The original trilogy feels like an experimental franchise than anything set in stone, if we're excluding remakes then the Quake II part of the series is the most common one but it's still wonky. Off-topic though

[prime sentinel]

also, Quake 1 style stuff is being folded into Doom, why would they do that if they were planning on making a new singleplayer focused Quake game?

[slender night]

That is a good point

[prime sentinel]

to me it sounds like they're cherry picking certain elements to put into Doom, which has a higher marquee value, but throwing fans a bone with similar ideas

[plain iron]

Why didn't we get the intern's concept designs

[prime sentinel]

where can I find that?

[plain iron]

On his artstation :D

[prime sentinel]

Emerson Tung?

[plain iron]

Yup

[prime sentinel]

lol I forgot I follow him on BSKY

he designed the TDA armor

[plain iron]

It even has the demonic wintherin, which I think we see in a few frames in TAG 2

[prime sentinel]

what a goat

[plain iron]

He designs most of the shit in doom 😭

Like it's his whole thing, most of the art book is his art

[prime sentinel]

oh wow

there's a piece from his Doom 2016 work that looks like nothing in the game, but quite similar to Urdak style architecture

[tropic raft]

He is a great designer.

[plain iron]

I aspire to be like him art wise

[plain iron]

Ohhh do you mind sending it here? [Embed the image]

[prime sentinel]

won't let me haha

oh I suppose this was for a map called "Orbital" in the MP

it looks much more like Urdak style architecture than anything in the singleplayer

[plain iron]

Ohhh

Oh my God you're right

That deadass looks like urdak

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1278629590797123602/1351949225310818464/image0.jpg?ex=67dc3c55&is=67daead5&hm=46314d94a9051082335d7b3586d936c393a57e661b7746e8994b5030216e1f55&

Also the demonic crucible concept designs are fun
-# plus random samuel

[prime sentinel]

the scythe one is badass

there's a really famous classic Doom wad called Scythe too 🙂

[obsidian shard]

Bro we came back to you Control the Buttons you press

[plain iron]

Imagine davoth wielding that shit man 😭 I feel like his design would be changed based around that lowkey

He's designed like he uses a sword, not so much a scythe

[languid granite]

"sick ass weapons!!!! and samuel ig :/"

[prime sentinel]

give that mother fucker a cloak, though, he does kinda have one as samur

oh wait you said Davoth lol

I thought we were talking Samuel

[plain iron]

Samuel too.

[languid granite]

samuel would rock a cloak though

[prime sentinel]

for sure

it would look really cool, robots with cloaks are cool

[plain iron]

He's designed well enough for clothes tbh

[languid granite]

he would wear a basic gray sweater with old man jeans and reading glasses

[plain iron]

Or would he dress like a office siren

[obsidian shard]

It's so fun using Logic to win an Argument

The Revenants have Cloaks and Scythes

[languid granite]

omg yes

office siren but a 60 year old tired office worker from the late 80s

[plain iron]

LITERALLY

Angry old man who is bipolar as shit <3

[gilded lake]

wdym office siren

[plain iron]

As in you don't know the term? Or like. Idk

[gilded lake]

idk the term 😔

[dark peak]

true there is one close to the giant demon 😂

[wooden acorn]

Day 55 of 112

[frail bloom]

Where is this?

[cobalt fog]

The more I look at it why haven’t we got a scythe in doom lmao

[hard thistle]

Twitter

[frail bloom]

K thank you

[slender night]

Not the most typical arsenal pick

[cobalt fog]

I mean

What about a rocket powered scythe

[plucky plinth]

That’d bend the blade from impact

[cobalt fog]

Wouldn’t you imagine it would be a strong blade?

Like the crucible of doom blade?

[slender night]

Wouldn't that be hard to reload

[plucky plinth]

Yeah, more than likely

[cobalt fog]

No?

This is DOOM

I mean isn’t reloading an entire freakin chaingun mid fight hard?

[plucky plinth]

Yeah, true

Actually, most guns outside of Doom 1, 2, and 3 look like a bastard to reload mid-combat

[slender night]

You're reloading a chaingun with bullets, not material that can cut through the weapon immediately, if placed wrong, fuck me it'll cut through it even if placed right

[cobalt fog]

Which is why I’m sayin a rocket spinning scythe doesn’t sound impossible

[slender night]

Are we talking about the scythe in the concept art or just a typical scythe?

[cobalt fog]

Like a unique scythe

Like a scythe as a weapon if it could go in doom

[slender night]

Okay well the scythe we saw in concept art would destroy the weapon and the average scythe would be really shit to aim with, unless you get a weapon designed for it, at which point sure, TDA has a weapon that crushes skulls, I don't think that's the most crazy suggestion

[cobalt fog]

I’m thinking the idea of like a rocket fueled scythe that can charge up and rotate like a frickin helicopter blade

Just throwing ideas out there of a scythe type weapon

[slender night]

We do have a weapon that functions like that, just not visually

[wooden acorn]

Latest tweet from the doom account, he’s talking about the sliders lol

[acoustic cosmos]

Fairly calm and polite response. I know a lot of people are quick to point out the ridiculousness of the situation and dog on those ppl but Hugo seemed like he actually cared on adressing the concerns analytically

[cobalt fog]

Million dollar question

Will we get the crucible in the peak ages

[obsidian shard]

The 2 Million Dollar Question What won't be in it

[ebon shale]

Mick

Where are my 2 Million?

[obsidian shard]

Your gonna be shot

[ebon shale]

Excuse me

[obsidian shard]

I'm Gonna get Bethesda To Not Pay you

[plain iron]

Yes and that's okay, do you honestly think he's ever gonna work with bethesda again after that?

[ebon shale]

No.

I just answered his question lmao

[plain iron]

Ahh gotcha

Most folk who say mick not being there are angry about him not working on doom

Like ofc he's not there look at what happened to him

[proud vine]

iirc he said he will never quit doom, he just quit working for a toxic client

wich it's still the same thing but if doom ever gets bought by something else that is not bethesda mick might make a comeback

[plain iron]

Yeah that's probably what he said, but it's laughable to ever believe that he's ever gonna work w bethesda again

[proud vine]

maybe a doom spin off made by another studio

[plain iron]

Ehh I wouldn't put money on it, bethesda doesn't like giving up games as good as doom

[proud vine]

it's in the same category of "when pigs will fly" type of possibility

[woven jolt]

I just rewatched it, I think it has something to do with how they captured the short video, like some camera thing or whatever

[tribal lagoon]

hope not

it'll probably make an apperance but i doubt we'll get to use it

[uncut jungle]

Do we think they’ll be a second distribution of the Collector’s Edition for Australia - only place available is Ebay at triple the price 😭

[plain iron]

Agreed, but I'd like to see exactly how the Slayer earned the crucible tbh

[plain iron]

I mean, ebgames and jbhifi had them

[uncut jungle]

*had

[plain iron]

And what's the price on ebay?

[uncut jungle]

Anywhere from $500 ~ $750

[plain iron]

jesus.

[uncut jungle]

Ya

[plain iron]

Scalpers before the game even released

[uncut jungle]

Scalpers man

RIGHT!

I mean shame on me I missed it

[plain iron]

Man i got it like 3 days after it was announced

[uncut jungle]

I should have done that honestly, I just didn’t think it was going to be so cool lol

[plain iron]

Same w the helmet too

The helmet is still up on the bethesda gear store

[uncut jungle]

I’ve seen the Helmet too

Honestly it’s the statue that has me in the choke hold

[plain iron]

It's cheaper to get it from the American one btw, the shipping from the international one is a mandatory 100aud

They do shipping based on weight

[uncut jungle]

Ok that’s good to know thanks dude
I’ll keep an eye out everyone and hope for a cancellation hahah!

[plain iron]

Yup no worries man

[turbid patrol]

Are there Barons of Hell in the Dark Ages?

[plain iron]

There was a thing on the whiteboard, cosmic baron iirc

Which sounds similar to a DnD creature lowkey

Which is funny considering said creature is the base of the caco

[hard thistle]

Tf is it gonna be

A baron that throws black holes at you

[plain iron]

Fucked if I know 💀

[hard thistle]

They need to give it the classic baron's build

[plain iron]

Give my boy his pants back !!!

[fleet spruce]

wonder if we'll see classic hell knights

aside from you know , the gladiator

[shell plank]

Will a rtx 3060 be good for dark ages?

[fleet spruce]

yes

[raw relic]

good is a big word but good enough fro 1080

[winter idol]

concept art

[plain iron]

Fuck that kinda looks like a blunderbuss 💀

[winter idol]

sort of, kinda wide

[plain iron]

Just as the founding father's intended.

[upper mauve]

this is incendiary right

[hard thistle]

That clip where they were using it on the mancubus seemed to suggest it might be

Or at least thru upgrades

[shell plank]

Yeah i only play on 1080p anyway

[hard thistle]

Looks so f*cking clean.

[grim cloud]

hot off the assembly line.

[wooden acorn]

Day 56 of 112

Half way there

[slender onyx]

the artbook for TDA is going to be so fucking gorgeous

[grim cloud]

my toddlers destroyed my Doom Eternal one,

[lucid saffron]

a sacrifice must be made

[versed stone]

How well can the I5-10400 handle Dark Ages?

[spark elm]

8 more weeks is wild

[sleek ermine]

Can not

i7 10700k or higher can

[versed stone]

Yeah. I need to get a Ryzen 7600.

It’s Zen 4 with 6 cores. Minimum requirement is Zen 2 with 8 cores.

[hard thistle]

who's doin the music for this one??

[sleek ermine]

Finishin Move

[hard thistle]

ahh okay

i was wondering cause i remember something happened with mick gordon

what happened with that anyways?

[slender night]

Read on it online, there's been like 500 discussions like this here

[cobalt fog]

Imo I think people need to move on from mick and quit cryin about it, it’s what mick would have wanted

[plain iron]

Exactly

And wasn't he paid anyways?

[cobalt fog]

Eventually yes but it took a while

[wooden acorn]

Nah they went woke, they’re called “Royalties of the underworld” now

[frail bloom]

Source?

[frail bloom]

Wait are you joking I'm dum

[cobalt fog]

I don’t wanna go looking again 💀

[wooden acorn]

I’m joking ye

[frail bloom]

I'm just saying I don't think he was paid

[cobalt fog]

He was I know he was

[frail bloom]

Enough that is

[cobalt fog]

It was explained especially in a midnight video

As well as many others

But I don’t wanna go looking

[frail bloom]

Just give me a source man

You can do it

[cobalt fog]

If you are really that curious and don’t believe me go look up the controversy

[cobalt fog]

I can’t because I have a shit memory

Like reeeeeaaaly shit

[frail bloom]

I know what happened, that's why I'm confused as to where you got that info from

Mick has stated he wasn't paid for like half the soundtrack

I dont want to be negative but it's a scar on the legacy for sure

[cobalt fog]

This is true but he did get the other half payed after tons of backlash

[frail bloom]

I just don't understand why they can't pay him back, they have the money

[cobalt fog]

I couldn’t care less, I’m not letting music destroy a 1993s game legacy

[frail bloom]

Maybe I'm just dumb and don't understand

[frail bloom]

Scars don't destroy anything, it's just a grim reminder

I'll stop talking about it now

Sorry

[cobalt fog]

I’m just saying I’m not gonna wine about it, mick left a good impression and gave his games he worked on a justice and we all loved it, now he gets to move on to other things and pursue what wants to do as he stated and I quote “I never left doom, I left a toxic company”

[frail bloom]

No I know, it just feels weird seeing the guy responsible for mistreating him and walking it off like it was nothing

I'm not the type of guy to boycott or whatever

[cobalt fog]

Because he’s doing what other people won’t, not make a big deal of things

He’s upset and gave the world all the evidence and now he’s moving on

[frail bloom]

Yeah

[cobalt fog]

Sure he won’t come back but is that necessarily a bad thing? No, we have finishing move and although they aren’t mick they are the best we got and if you ask me they are doing a hell of a good job, infernal chasm is a good example, it’s everything you need in a game like the dark ages

[frail bloom]

No I never complained about the ost quality, I know finishing move will deliver, it's just that there was no closure and it makes me sad sometimes and kills my excitement, but then I hear finishing move and it's exciting again. Imma just support the new game mick is working on and keep encouraging the new composers

[cobalt fog]

👍

[golden talon]

is there really people who aren't excited for dark ages or even think itll not be good? Midnight posted a video about fans not being happy with all the changes. Me personally i'm super excited.

[warm ibex]

it's a very small group of people

at least it seems to be

[autumn dawn]

what game is mick gordon working on?

[slender night]

I'm not excited for TDA personally

[waxen valley]

same

[frail bloom]

It's called DEFECT

[spark elm]

Better have metal music.

[wooden acorn]

It’s got smooth jazz

[spark elm]

My discord just glitched from a slow load and I thought I got banned just now wtf

What kind of metal we talking for the dark ages?

[waxen valley]

smooth jazz

[nimble kettle]

Do anyone know how much dark ages will cost?

[winter idol]

you can preorder it right now

look on steam

[nimble kettle]

I think i will continue with sony

[tranquil moss]

its the same price for pre-order on all the platforms its available on

[mystic barn]

Looks like we're going back to thrash after Mick, Andrew, and David's mostly experimental metal. That said, there's a few tracks that are more experimental. Notably the one that features in the recent social media videos hosted by Hugo and the track that plays at 10:04 of the Developer_Direct video. Then we also have some cool, synth-driven ambient music that seems courtesy of Brian Trifon

[spark elm]

Gonna be good either way

[formal root]

standard edition will be 70$

premium edition will be a 100$

Which I mean

is not bad, the premium does give you access to the dlc when it comes out

[formal root]

I cannot wait for TDA dudes

everything about it just looks so good

[upper star]

Anyone got any decent screencaps of the new dark ages unwilling or zombies? Ima need red for an upcoming art piece.

[formal root]

oh damn

I don’t think we have seen what they do look like

the ones shown are most likely assets from eternal unwilling/zombies

[upper star]

So far people thinking thats from an older build

[hard thistle]

I need to see more footage before I pre-order

Like current footage at that not old stuff

[neon perch]

Where are you getting these from?

[obsidian shard]

DOOM Twitter and Insta

[summer obsidian]

Attention all who didn’t get the Xbox collectors edition yet but still want it it just went back in stock

[hard thistle]

false

[sleek ermine]

if anything I’d get PC

tho

getting a XBOX series X with The Dark Ages would be cheaper than upgrading my PC

[vagrant path]

I saw someone saying the lady from that one clip in the dev direct looks like a man, like WHAT????

acting like women irl don't look like that💀

[plain iron]

I don't like her because she's exactly my type and it's annoying bcs I know for a fact that she's gonna get goonified 😭 I like how masculine she is, but she is definitely not a man 💀

[vagrant path]

she doesn't even look particularly masculine to me.

[sleek ermine]

I hate that guy who said smth like either women in games are goon bait or not at all

[plain iron]

I'd say she's gonna get goonified, but definitely not because of id software

[vagrant path]

normalize realistic women in video games🙏

[plain iron]

She reminds me of a butch lesbian I used to date 💀

[vagrant path]

I want woman characters that look like the average woman not super models or actual goblins

[plain iron]

... is that a jab at Olivia

[sleek ermine]

🙃

[vagrant path]

Dude olivia looks like ellen degeneres if she was a tweaker💀

[plain iron]

Olivia is pretty imo but i find most women pretty

[prime sentinel]

she's definitely ugly in that she is a horrible person :p

[plain iron]

I think id software are really good at making women lowkey look like lesbians I used to know 💀

[prime sentinel]

I think Id software is really good at making good ass games

[plain iron]

That too

They can't model humans too well but that's okay

[prime sentinel]

I don't think they're particularly bad at it, they're just not really focused on it since you rarely see friendly NPCs

the demons are brilliantly modeled and animated with tons of character

that's clearly where the talent went

[plain iron]

They definitely struggled w the intern in base eternal

[prime sentinel]

he's kinda a random, like, he's not really important at all

in the base game

so I don't really judge them for that

[plain iron]

Yeah but fuck he looks a bit strange

[prime sentinel]

since he appears one time as a guy the doom slayer pushes past :p

[vagrant path]

I think intern guy is cute

[plain iron]

Compared to the mf doomguy grabs n drags the keycard looks fine, but the base game intern looks funky

[plain iron]

Agreed, he's just built strange in base eternal 😭

Lemme get a screenie

[prime sentinel]

all the humans in Eternal are more cartoony/stylized anyway

in regards to realism, TDA is a step up

from what we've seen

[plain iron]

Agreed, hopefully we don't get random face expressions that ruins a area 💀

[autumn dawn]

Valen, the intern, and Doomguy himself look pretty good if you ask me

[prime sentinel]

that being said, I think going cartoony was the right move for what Eternal is

[prime sentinel]

I've always thought the slayer's actual face in the new games looks a bit weird/off

[plain iron]

He looks like the iceage baby

[autumn dawn]

though i wish for TDA if they ever decide to unmask Doomguy, please remove the spaced apart eyes

[prime sentinel]

but its not a huge deal to me since you very rarely see his face with the default skin, which is my favorite look for him in the game

[autumn dawn]

guys look at #screenshots

[plain iron]

He looks weird 😭

[prime sentinel]

he looks weird to me by default tbh :p

either way, I'm not too broken up about it

his helmet is his face to me, and his helmet is always awesome looking

[autumn dawn]

actually that makes sense

unrelated: we've seen samus without her helmet (multiple times already), but did we ever see Master Chief unmasked?

[prime sentinel]

I don't play Halo, but there's no way they've never done it

[plain iron]

Iirc they did it in the show, but apparently that was balls

[autumn dawn]

plus it was live action, so we are not accepting that

[prime sentinel]

with space marine/bounty hunter characters that are almost always masked, I kinda think the armor design is way more important than the actual face of the character

[autumn dawn]

especially if it was really ass

[prime sentinel]

when I think of Samus I think of her armor

not really ZSS

[autumn dawn]

me too

[prime sentinel]

theoretically, anyone could be under these masks/helmets, it helps the player to self insert

which is why these games are usually so sparse with unmasking

in the classic doom games, the story text refers to the player in second person, rather than the doomguy

the doomguy in classic doom is YOU

[autumn dawn]

also the case in 2016

[prime sentinel]

2016 gives the slayer more of a personality through lore and animations

[autumn dawn]

we never got a single glimpse of the slayer's face in 2016

[prime sentinel]

though, it syncs it up with how the player should feel

[autumn dawn]

yeah, you'd feel angry and demon murdery as well

[prime sentinel]

so I'd say the new doom games let you self insert, but also the game defines the slayer as a character separate from the player, whereas classic doom does not do that in game

[autumn dawn]

i've seen youtubers complain about the loss of the immersion in eternal, after giving doomguy an actual face

they "didn't feel like it was them under the helmet"

[prime sentinel]

eh I don't think its a huge deal, 2016 already took steps to make the slayer his own character

like, you learn legends about the character you're playing as

that's already immersion breaking if you want to believe you are the slayer :p

at least in my opinion

I don't have a problem with the new games defining the main character more, modern games require more story/narrative than classic doom did

[autumn dawn]

plus doomguy was never unisex since 1993 to begin with

he had a noticeable male face and noises

[prime sentinel]

doesn't really matter too much imo, gender options weren't common in games

I'd still say classic doom does next to nothing to define the doomguy as anything but a self insert

[slender night]

Quake III was the one to set in stone that he was a character, before that it was more of a title

[autumn dawn]

also unrelated: we had glimpses of doomguy's HUMAN family

he had a wife and a son

i think they're dead

on the other hand, i think they are alive and were separated from him, and they are now with the rest of the human survivors

[grave idol]

https://doom.fandom.com/wiki/Doom_Slayer#:~:text=The Doom Marine was originally,UAC Phobos base as security.

Start reading from background

[autumn dawn]

nothing related to his family

[plain iron]

That photo isn't really officially confirmed, sure Hugo said that, but Hugo spouts shit all the time and is generally really unreliable

[plain iron]

I agree, but
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1278629590797123602/1352630354455826585/Screenshot_20250322_000922_PS_App.jpg?ex=67deb6af&is=67dd652f&hm=ecb265a3283b1fbdb1d4a70f699dc07e7fc0fb8cd2025109fa87592118bc7191&
Is something special 😭

[plain iron]

They fixed him in TAG thankfully

[sleek ermine]

samur maykr try not to hug intern challenge impossible

[plain iron]

Real.

I really need to draw more interactions between them tbh

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1278629590797123602/1352631298803503256/20250304_202625.jpg?ex=67deb790&is=67dd6610&hm=fe19fc0199714aa474b9fcfb31e84b86a60ec54240129a97e1783b89af036df9&

His eyelids are kinda red in this screenie too

Brother have you been crying

[prime sentinel]

I really don't want this to ever factor into the games

Doom does not need that kind of protagonist

[plain iron]

Same

[prime sentinel]

it works for games like god of war

but idk I just think its not really something we need to be explored deeply or even confirmed at all

[plain iron]

I'd like to think that photo is of him and his mother

[autumn dawn]

yeah Doomguy is not the type of protag to be a sympathetic hero, but im just interested in the lore

that is never brought up ingame

[autumn dawn]

and the kid?

[plain iron]

He's the kid

[prime sentinel]

what the hell is the point of having the face torn off lol

[plain iron]

The man is a estranged father imo [books moment]

[autumn dawn]

that pic is old af i'm surprised it's still (mostly) intact

[prime sentinel]

huge head canon moment :p

[plain iron]

I've done the same to photos of my father, it wouldn't be too shocking 💀

[autumn dawn]

oh, btw speaking of books, have you guys read the works of Mike McDee?

[plain iron]

No actually, if you count the books as canon, he does have a really bad relationship with his father

[prime sentinel]

the books aren't canon

[plain iron]

They're more canon that whatever tf Hugo says on stream 😭

[autumn dawn]

this is Mike Mcdee, an author not affiliated with id Software

[prime sentinel]

I'm responding to Thomas

[autumn dawn]

oh

[plain iron]

Those words he says aren't usually approved by the other parts of the writing team

[prime sentinel]

I don't think the writing team approved of the 90s books either (correct me if I'm wrong)

[sleek ermine]

oh yeah Markiplier’s dad is canon I think

[plain iron]

Yes he's the lead writer, but there's no way he'd know everything he's written, and the rest of the team has written

[autumn dawn]

are the books a good read?

[plain iron]

Iirc they were at the time of writing, but doom was still kind of getting its footing story/lorewise

[prime sentinel]

I'm gonna guess the photo is an easter egg hinting at a potential back story that they may or may not actually expand on at some point, but its probably vague so that they can change anything they want

[prime sentinel]

canon to what? you aren't playing as "flynn mctaggart" in any of the games, the character you are playing as is never named

[autumn dawn]

actually, who tf is Flynn McTaggart

[plain iron]

Where tf did mctaggart come from 😭

[prime sentinel]

whatever his name is

[plain iron]

Flynn taggart was the book, and the comic iirc

[autumn dawn]

i see his name alot but don't know where his name exists

[prime sentinel]

I don't think its in the comic?

[plain iron]

It's been a while since I've read it, but I swear there's another thing that taggart came from

[autumn dawn]

all i know about the comic is 𝗬𝗢𝗨 𝗔𝗥𝗘 𝗛𝗨𝗚𝗘 𝗧𝗛𝗔𝗧 𝗠𝗘𝗔𝗡𝗦 𝗬𝗢𝗨 𝗛𝗔𝗩𝗘 𝗛𝗨𝗚𝗘 𝗚𝗨𝗧𝗦

still, i have read it fully

[prime sentinel]

not seeing any evidence of it

his name is "Doom"

[autumn dawn]

ctrl + f?

[prime sentinel]

yep

[autumn dawn]

Dr. Doom

[plain iron]

Ehh not when searching images

I'm looking for the back of that comic

[autumn dawn]

i didn't see a Flynn Taggart or whatever anywhere in the comic

[plain iron]

Most records don't have the back iirc

[autumn dawn]

tbf, i did read from the website

[plain iron]

I really doubt that they've put that many references to Taggart in eternal just from the books that a good chunk of the fandom doesn't know

[prime sentinel]

that's what a reference is???????

[plain iron]

Fuck it's in the collector's edition

[prime sentinel]

references are little tiny tidbits for those who know lol

[autumn dawn]

there were references to "Taggart" in eternal?

[prime sentinel]

they usually are obscure

[prime sentinel]

cheat code to play Doom 2

[plain iron]

It's in the cassette tape in a spectrograph

[autumn dawn]

oh

[prime sentinel]

yeah you are REEEALLLLY reaching imo

[plain iron]

TAGGART95 iirc

[prime sentinel]

you can be a book truther but to me, its all smoke until proven otherwise

[autumn dawn]

that's kinda a stretch, maybe it was just an inside joke of id Software

that's probably the most likely case

[prime sentinel]

they aren't gonna drop crazy ass lore in a spectograph that very few people would have access to, I mean, come on, that is totally a reference tier inclusion

references are intentionally obscure

for a select group of people i.e. hardcore doom fans

[autumn dawn]

i am not believing anymore theories on Doomguy's name being Taggart, all i believe is that it was a simple joke from id

[prime sentinel]

You can say "I told you so" when there's a flashback to Endgame in TDA.

or the mormon rebels return

[plain iron]

Man fuck this lore why is it confusing

[autumn dawn]

𝚓𝚞𝚜𝚝 𝚌𝚑𝚎𝚌𝚔𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚒𝚏 𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚜 𝚏𝚘𝚗𝚝 𝚒𝚜 𝚊𝚕𝚕𝚘𝚠𝚎𝚍

ok it is

[prime sentinel]

because its split into like 3 different eras and a million different non canon stories

there's 2 Doom 3 novels as well iirc

[plain iron]

The books cause a lot of misconception imo

Iirc it's where the whole "the slayer is catholic" comes from

[autumn dawn]

first we got Doom 3's alt universe, then the main story is split though the main games (1, 2, 64, TDA, 2016, and Eternal) in non chronogiocal order

[prime sentinel]

the author of the Doom 3 novels wrote the story for Doom 3 so those might be MORE canon

to Doom 3 at least

[autumn dawn]

question: is Doom 3 canon to the main story?

[prime sentinel]

we don't really know

[plain iron]

Yes, it's just a different universe

[autumn dawn]

just making sure

[prime sentinel]

the soul cube appears in 2016

Hugo has given noncommital answers on this front (and as established what he says isn't law anyway)

[autumn dawn]

that causes a plot inconsistency

[prime sentinel]

but yeah, the mars of Doom 3 has a completely different history, so it HAS to be a different universe even if it is totally confirmed to be canon

[plain iron]

Definitely

[autumn dawn]

we don't know if the Soul Cube truly existed in the main story, probably did

[prime sentinel]

at one point I thought TDA would have answers on this front, I now don't believe this at all

[plain iron]

Man doom is so shittily written it's great

[autumn dawn]

plus, the doom 3 cyberdemon looks the most different compared to any other cybers in the franchise