the-dark-ages

[prime sentinel]

but the guy was kinda a big deal in the early 2010s, he's kind of just an internet personality today

he has really funny videos where he just shows off his PS2 game collection haha

[hard thistle]

I agree, that's why I hate when games get release dates years ahead of time. I don't want them to force the game to come out in 2025 if it's not done in 2025.

@misty beacon Far as I recall I'd software never rushes.

[prime sentinel]

its really weird that people are talking about a delay as if its inevitable?

no one has patience or the will to wait

2025 is a pretty massive window

[misty beacon]

kinda, kinda not, had to with the DLC's for eternal. They had a release schedule and they they got their ass fisted by corona, switched over to homeoffice and 100% remote work in a matter of weeks and still delivered something that wasnt trash

[hard thistle]

It may be because people like to make the release date later than it actually is, in order to make it feel better when the game comes out sooner than they expected.

[prime sentinel]

what??

ohh I see what you mean

you're saying that people expect the worst so that they're pleasantly surprised if that's not the case

[misty beacon]

Reminds me of the DLC drop, when the trailer dropped it just ended with TOMORROW

That was so massive dick on the table

[fast sage]

I am a minor and because of this I am sending my brother to quake con to be my spy so I can get more info about TDA.

[hard thistle]

They force themselves to believe the release date will come later than the devs said it will
Then the game comes out when the devs said it would
And they get happy that it came out sooner than they thought

[hard thistle]

Yes

[prime sentinel]

that sorta makes sense I suppose

[prime sentinel]

shadow drops are always really awesome

but they very rarely happen

I believe Metroid Prime Remastered shadow dropped

[hard thistle]

Technically I think Dark Ages has had more dev time than eternal did, so I'm not really sure why everyone thinks it's going to need a massive delay

[prime sentinel]

because if you wait long enough without giving people content they start making it up

[misty beacon]

Eternals Release Day got me so fucking hyped made me fu||[MESSAGE REDACTED BY DISCORD T.O.S.]||

[hard thistle]

Although I suppose eternal kinda was just 2016 2 so they might've been able to reuse more assets than the dark ages will

[misty beacon]

You take that back.

[prime sentinel]

talk to anyone who says 2016 is their favorite and they will explain why Eternal is not at all 2016 2

[misty beacon]

Just doom 2016 2...

[hard thistle]

Oh they still have plenty levels, stuff to make. They are not done yet.

[misty beacon]

I should ban u for this

[prime sentinel]

very different philosophies and styles, they do share certain gameplay elements, but Eternal chose a very different path

[misty beacon]

It was an upgrade in all aspects

[prime sentinel]

and I think it was the right choice personally

but some disagree

[misty beacon]

The based department is missing their CEO

[hard thistle]

2016 IS my favorite doom, and they used a lot of the same stuff, like they had the same weapons, mostly the same mods, the same amount of levels, some similar atmospheres and assets (like how the uac guards are wearing armor from the 2016 multiplayer for example), and yes they are very different games but eternal IS very clearly the sequel to 2016, even if it expanded on it a lot and made a pretty different game in the end

@prime sentinel that's 1 reason I love dark ages is grounded combat. Not moving around like your a monkey.

[prime sentinel]

yes it is literally a sequel, but as a game, mechanically, it is not simply retreading what 2016 did

the Dark Ages is a sequel (well, its a prequel, but its still the next game in the series) and it looks to be a departure even from Eternal

though, I believe Marty said that Dark Ages will be just as different from Eternal as Eternal is from 2016

so take that how you will

[misty beacon]

I really don't want to offend you, but thats such a mid point of view

[prime sentinel]

well I think in a superficial sense it is continuing ideas from 2016

[hard thistle]

Which part

[misty beacon]

If you look at it like this you can say "Egoshooter 2" is just a sequel of "Egoshooter 1"

Like there is A LOT more depth to any of your comparisons made

Which makes it ultimately extremely divers from 2016

[prime sentinel]

I think Hugo mentioned that Eternal began development as a more straightforward sequel

but morphed throughout development

[amber otter]

i have a question because im not entirely lore equipped to understand where this game is on the time table, but when in the doom universe does this new entry take place, just askin for my owen convienence to catch up

[misty beacon]

Meathook pulling enemies towards you was such a goofy idea

[hard thistle]

You guys do realize that this isn't me criticizing eternal right? It's just me saying that they are similar and they probably were able to reuse a lot of assets and ideas

[misty beacon]

No, i didnt say u were. Im just saying there is a lot more to it. Your message just sounded super "basic"

[prime sentinel]

I'm not viewing it as a critique, lots of people would have loved Eternal to be as close to 2016 as possible

also, yes they definitely did reuse a few assets, like the explosive barrels for instance, and some door models I think

[hard thistle]

@misty beacon I like the meathook but to each their own.

[prime sentinel]

what they're saying is the meathook functioned differently in early builds of the game, it does not pull enemies towards you anymore

[misty beacon]

Same, just saying. Original idea of the MH wasnt that YOU go TO THE ENEMIE

But THE ENEMIE going TOWARDS YOU

[prime sentinel]

but also: there are reused assets in TDA

explosive barrels

of course, all subject to change, yeah

[wheat sigil]

The current meathook is art.
Pulling enemies to you is kinda goofy yeah, lol

[prime sentinel]

the meathook was genius

maybe in the new gameplay style pulling enemies towards you would make more sense though

[wheat sigil]

Yup

[misty beacon]

In my humble opinion there were a lot of "placeholder assets"
But who am i to know, im just a lazy fat discord mod without insider information

[hard thistle]

@prime sentinel explosive barrels are reused since the first doom.

[prime sentinel]

I meant these particular models

they're in 2016 and eternal

and the trailer for TDA

[grim cloud]

ugh, im just saying that the last two games we had a lot more gameplay to drool over right off the bat.

[misty beacon]

I really dont wanna shit on it, pls id software trailer guy, u know who u are and i love you "eternally".

But there was some jank in it...

[hard thistle]

@misty beacon Like what?

[prime sentinel]

there's some enemies that don't get cut in half exactly when they should

[misty beacon]

Best example when the shield flies through the enemies, from T-Posing to Despawning/Respawning Models, we had everything..

[prime sentinel]

I'm gonna chalk any jank to being similar to what we saw with early Eternal gameplay where it was a demonstration meant to give us the jist of what they're going for

and that some functionality was "hacked" in

or acted out

[misty beacon]

I just wanna shoot off chunks on a manc
And im a happy kex

[prime sentinel]

that part was very cool, and impressive

[grim cloud]

you can probably fire a smiley face of holes in the TDA Manc based on what i remember seeing at QC

[hard thistle]

To me the amount of change from eternal to dark ages seems a decent bit larger than the amount of change from 2016 to eternal. The artstyle seems like it's getting a huge change, I don't think much will be able to be reused in the final product, the gameplay will likely keep a few elements but overall I think will be pretty different again, were getting a bunch of new weapons and mechanics, and overall it just seems like so much change that i question if they'll be able to reuse anything at all

@prime sentinel yeah

[prime sentinel]

well, probably some sentinal architecture and stuff

[wheat sigil]

The gameplay change seems larger between TDA and DE than between DE and D2016, I agree
But 2016 to DE was still a massive difference

[prime sentinel]

I bet they can modify things

[misty beacon]

[hard thistle]

Never gets old.

[obtuse stone]

Can't wait to be playing that as a 40 year old divorced dad

[hard thistle]

Yeah I agree, they can probably get away with using some of that

[stuck pivot]

The skull gun is fire

[prime sentinel]

but also, for Doom Eternal they had to make a fuck ton of new assets just because the way modern game dev works

every level has a ton of bespoke assets made just for it

certain generic assets like doors and stuff can be reused

but I'm pretty sure a lot of the time, the art team has to make brand new stuff on a per level basis

[misty beacon]

[prime sentinel]

on the brightside: its definite evidence that this is in game footage

and besides the aforementioned jank, it looks very good

[hard thistle]

Besides I have so many steam games to play and mods I'm working on. I can wait for them to finish making the game.

[grim cloud]

imagine being able to use all the assets for moding

[prime sentinel]

Day 1 modding is not likely at all, but maybe one day

[grim cloud]

Not sure where on the pipeline IdStudio 2.0 (TDA) for release is ... if ever

[prime sentinel]

first thing I would do is remake Slough of Despair

[hard thistle]

Suppodely have to wait a year or so until dark ages mod tools.

[prime sentinel]

I mean, look at that tree, that is straight out of Doom 1

[grim cloud]

yah i doubt we get modding for TDA anytime soon.

[prime sentinel]

where does this info come from lmao

[grim cloud]

honestly i would rather see assets packs from Doom 2016 added first if that is even possible

[misty beacon]

Lets wait for the game to release first okay?

[grim cloud]

11/14/2025

[prime sentinel]

11/28/2024

leaked release date

[misty beacon]

01/01/2025

[hard thistle]

My best friend Aaron . he works at I'd software Q + A department.

[misty beacon]

My dad owns id software and aaron is fired now

[hard thistle]

Lol

[slender night]

My dad is half life he works for gabe newell

[prime sentinel]

my dad is half life because I only see him every other week!

[misty beacon]

Oh shit hes related to my uncle steam

[prime sentinel]

but don't worry because he lets me eat tacos over the floor

and drink mountain dew

[slender night]

My dad is NIN he works for E4M1

[misty beacon]

Dont make me leak chats from the idsoftware femboy channel

[scenic lichen]

My dad is id software and he works for doom 3 resurrection of evil

[merry zenith]

where do you guys think the doomslayer got the fur on his cape?

[vagrant path]

The pinky creature

[grim cloud]

well the agaddon creature is either wearing fur himself, or its his own. Maybe the slayer scalped one

[tribal lagoon]

It could be some weird fur placement or just the angle of the image but this looks like the Agaddon Hunter has a cape of its own

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/926326228280025098/1311459026760110110/image.png?ex=6748eee5&is=67479d65&hm=73f18686f561ce312b03c46da00e005f077822012793775e254427eb940323a3&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[grim cloud]

yah its probably his battle outfit.

so its probably from the pink colored mount thing. I refuse to call it a pinky because i do not think it is

I hope they bring back the classic unarmored pinkies, and we fight them in swarms like in classic doom

[dense gazelle]

So far it looks like there is 0 chance for a new gameplay teaser at game awards, by checking reddits GamingLeaksAndRumours every now and then

[hexed linden]

Why does every id game’s protagonist have a square head

[vagrant path]

The blascovich family curse

[hexed linden]

Real

I made this little diagram

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1258466290918490195/1311561398031224902/IMG_2900.gif

[hard thistle]

The blazkowicz pictures yes sure that's pretty square but like classic doomguy that's an oval my guy

Not a square

[hexed linden]

The top of his head?

[hard thistle]

Human heads generally have flat tops if they have short hair

Look at the bottom of his head. Clearly round. Not square.

His head forms an oval shape more than a square shape

[hexed linden]

Is this more accurate

And I’m somewhat ashamed

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1307420561294491700/1311567957897379881/IMG_2903.gif

[hard thistle]

I guess so

[hexed linden]

Ok

[hard thistle]

Although I didn't know keem was part of the connected idverse theory tbh

[hexed linden]

Keen is

Keen is in the doom multiverse

Becus there is a commander keen skin in eternal

[slender night]

And Keen is in the second Wolfenstein level in DOOM II but pretty sure that's not canon so

[hexed linden]

Doom multiverse

It’s cannon

[hard thistle]

It is not canon

[slender night]

What does the multiverse have to do with the Wolfenstein levels

[hexed linden]

Doom multiverse

Everything in doom games are cannon

Including doom slayer skins and stuff

[hard thistle]

....no.

[hexed linden]

They are all related

[slender night]

Canon in another universe =/= canon in our DOOM universe

[hexed linden]

No

The multiverse is in the games lore

[slender night]

You don't get it

[hexed linden]

I get what your saying

[slender night]

The multiverse is canon sure but that doesn't mean that every single thing in the main universe is canon

[hexed linden]

Battle mode?

[slender night]

https://tenor.com/view/guy-arguing-guy-talking-to-wall-talking-brick-wall-gif-18667615

[hexed linden]

https://tenor.com/view/tyler-durden-fight-club-gif-8137123603394131254

But it is confirmed they are related

And I don’t care what you say doom and quake are in the same universe

[hard thistle]

What are you even talking about anymore

[plucky plinth]

Source?

[hard thistle]

It has never been confirmed

[hexed linden]

Wait

[hard thistle]

The connected idverse theory is just that. A "theory." It has never been confirmed

[hexed linden]

I was remembering wrong

[slender night]

The consequences of Quake III on the storytelling

[hexed linden]

What about in doom rpg

Would that count

[slender night]

What about that game

Did you mean Wolf RPG?

[hexed linden]

That’s what I meant

It’s implied they are related in wolf rpg

[slender night]

The canon status of the RPG games is unknown

[hexed linden]

But also the end of the wolf rpg you fight the cyber demon

But no cyber

[slender night]

Doesn't have an impact on the storytelling if the RPGs aren't canon, does so if they are, but the thing is we do not know if they are or not

[hexed linden]

Ok

[glass swan]

Doom TDA is less than %1 away from first place atm https://x.com/klobrille/status/1861860898412863619

Klobrille (@klobrille) on X

Do it.

Twitter · Nov 27, 2024, 7:53 PM

[grim cloud]

twitter blocked here, is there a bluesky poll?

[grim cloud]

i would not say 0 chance, but i think there is hope for a few crumbs

[dense gazelle]

Not that hard with those rivals

[glass swan]

Still not sure how Avowed got to first, but no shade towards Obsidian

[glass swan]

Unfortunately no

[placid saffron]

People thirst for a new skyrim, and the outer worlds wasn't awful atleast

I have no clue what South of Midnight is, and who the hell is actually excited for AAA slop indiana jones??

[glass swan]

South of Midnight has an interesting concept but the game itself doesn’t look like much so far, really like the music in its reveal trailer tho

[placid saffron]

Looks like yet another awful ubi-open world "action" game

Bit from the trailer, combat feels like it's the generic "spam m1 for melee attacks" game

[solemn flower]

Hope DTDA gets another trailer at the game awards

[long harbor]

I think doom is cool and like the doom slayer

[unborn quest]

ok imagine if there was a game journalist mode it was just easier than i’m to young to die

[hard thistle]

Wooooow

😂😂😂

[cyan lotus]

Most creative and original joke on doomcord

[long harbor]

When the doom music kicks in 🤣🤣

[remote thunder]

just another decade of being stuck in 2016... it'll all be over soon.

[cyan lotus]

The game journalist jokes will stop when photo mode comes out of beta trust me

[scenic lichen]

tda modding support first

[cyan lotus]

You say that as if that’s less likely to happen

[hard thistle]

They'll fix that one impossible revenant milestone before they take the photomode out of beta

And they will never fix that milestone

[scenic lichen]

photo mode one day !

!!

[hard thistle]

What, the one where you need to use the jetpack for 50 seconds? That one counts how long you've held down the fly button for, not how much time you actually spend airborne

[pearl pumice]

Isn’t avowed the racist one

[dense gazelle]

There's a comic con here in Stuttgart/Germany and you can play Indiana Jones so I guess there will be at least one bethesda dude, will kidnapp him and demand new gameplay footage in exchange

[runic pelican]

Doom slayer oiled up when?

[hard thistle]

Why

[north burrow]

yeah i second that

why

[prime sentinel]

yeah i second that

when?

[north burrow]

What?

How?

But most importantly

Which?

Or is it

que Vsauce boss theme

https://tenor.com/view/vsauce-nuclear-codes-united-states-michael-stevens-gif-15678363167786194952

[bold mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-12869046600151364058

[runic pelican]

Exactly vro

[tropic root]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-the-dark-ages-doom-slayer-hello-chat-gif-13411494019148306508

[fathom yacht]

Hi

[limpid ridge]

Why does Chatgpt think doom the dark ages is a fan project not developped by Id software lol

Their tripping like hell

[long harbor]

AI is the future!!

[wide tendon]

h

[scenic lichen]

chatgpt's knowledge cutoff is 2023 iirc

so it wouldnt know about dark ages until its cutoff is 2024

[limpid ridge]

Oh how interesting

That's fascinating I didn't know their algorithm functioned in such a manner

[grim basin]

is there any more infermation on the dark ages so far

[scenic lichen]

unfortunately not

[wise otter]

Did it come out

Yet

[cyan lotus]

Yes

[fiery pawn]

I thought it came out 2025?

[cyan lotus]

I’m spreading misinformation

it was a ridiculous question so I met it with a ridiculous answer

[winter idol]

a simple google search would have answered that

[true agate]

Lmao

[midnight cypress]

Guys, i am the biggest doom fan, since my childhood. But as someone with zero gaming friends and a completionist gamer who goes after all the trophies, i hate multiplayer trophies and sections in doom games. I have all other trophies in all doom games except the multiplayer because i got noone to play with.

So when Doom Dark Ages comes out, can you please help me get those multiplayer trophies first, so i can continue focusing on what i love about doom games, which is the solo campaigns.

[safe ice]

bro is asking for help in a game that didnt even got a release date yet

[slender night]

When TDA releases the MP will 100% be alive as hell

[terse bolt]

Yeah it’s not gonna be hard to do, I got most multiplayer stuff in doom 2016 5 years after release

[slender night]

2016 MP is pretty impossible for me, nobody is ever on :p

[fervent wave]

I actually cant wait to play the dark ages then torture myself beating the hardest difficulty like all the other games

[grim cloud]

i start with HMP generally and go all the way too ultra nightmare. I still havn't beaten TAG1 on it ... beaten it legit that is

[hard thistle]

hopefully dark ages has a proper multiplayer

[tribal lagoon]

considering how much people yearn for an active multiplayer mode here I hope TDA's is active if it has one

gamemode where you fight another player and your both in mechs

[rocky badger]

Pretty sure Dark Ages has confirmed no multiplayer. What a shame

[rocky badger]

Single player only 🥲

[prime sentinel]

where is this info coming from

I haven't heard word at all that it is only singleplayer

the steam page says "DOOM: The Dark Ages is the single-player, action FPS prequel to the critically acclaimed DOOM (2016) and DOOM Eternal."

so perhaps this is a sign it won't have multiplayer? but also multiplayer has not been discussed at all afaik so its a bit strange to say its confirmed to not be there, I wouldn't be surprised if there was no MP but I haven't heard anyone definitively say there is none

the multiplayer of both new doom games has consistently been the most criticized part of the game

and, yes, I know there are fans of both, but in general 2016's especially was heavily criticized in its time

[scenic lichen]

I’ve never played 2016 multiplayer myself so I’m not sure how that went but I personally don’t like battlemode

I would be fine if tda had no multiplayer on release to refine the campaign as much as possible

[earnest swift]

2016 I seemed to get lucky and started hunting MP during a period where it was active.

[slow urchin]

hello

im very new here

[winter idol]

there is no confirmation of this

[kindred spoke]

Doom 2016 mp was gas. As much as I love doom part of me was hoping for a quake reboot with confirmed PvP; bring arena shooters back ID and my life is yours.

[pure furnace]

Brother , may I have some oats

[vagrant path]

Why are there genuinely so many band kid level mfs out here

literally they just join conversations and they'll just post le loads shotgun with malicious intent gifs like stfu

deadass think some of them aren't even real people shit drives me mad

[fast sage]

What do you think the release date of TDA will be?

I think maybe august.

[arctic hornet]

On god I hate that shit. “PRAISE DOOMSLAYER AND DESTROY FURRIES 🤪” MY GUY YOU ARE NOT APART OF THE TEAM YOU HAVE NEVER PLAYED A SINGLE GAME IN THIS SERIES.

literal bot level activity

[slender night]

"I hate DOOM 3 and DOOM 2005!" <- never even tried them

[arctic hornet]

Honestly the most experience they’ve had are the decino and civvie 11 videos that popped up in their YouTube fyp that they promptly ate up like candy

[latent fractal]

im hoping we will find out at the game awards

[hard thistle]

between september and december is my guess

it saying 2025 most like means late 2025

around holidays most likely

maybe a christmas release

or a eternal situation and release in march

[copper torrent]

I dont want Doom to release next to GTA VI

[mystic barn]

I hope info on when TDA comes out is announced soon. I’m planning on buying a new PC, and I don’t want to spend money on it before I really need to

[fast sage]

This isn't exactly what I hope, just what I think.

What I hope is that it will release before my birthday but that's not happening unless they work nonstop with no sleep. Then MAYBE they'll have it done. I made this account on my birthday so you can see what that is.

[limpid ridge]

Fr

[dark charm]

What is the release date for doom the dark ages

[tribal lagoon]

2025 we don’t have a specific month or date yet

[dark charm]

Ok, thanks for letting me know

[tribal lagoon]

“Doom 3 is a good game but not a good DOOM game” ☝️🤡

[placid saffron]

March 2026

[rapid tiger]

July

2026

[stray urchin]

Tomorrow 😀

[normal spoke]

It's so entertaining watching them be complete losers, they'd hate how many furries the classic DOOM community has😭😭

Full on seizure on the floor

[distant yarrow]

I'd say probably around mid to late 2025. It looks to be a big game, and if Bethesda got to work at about 2022, I assume it'll release around then.

[fossil spear]

Fr. Like they are so annoying they post the same 4 memes constantly and act like they know everything about doom

[grim cloud]

Summer at the earliest, Fall most likely imo

Also there is no confirmation that we are getting SP only. I can't imagine a doom game w/o some form of MP.

Personally i would like to see a horde coop mode AND invasions.

[balmy swallow]

are yall hyped for the dark ages

[hard thistle]

Ofc er are

[gaunt agate]

Doom has usually releases in March. I don't know why everyone is guessing summer or fall.

[balmy swallow]

yeah kinda weird

i really loved the fact that they released they games in march

they released doom eternal right on my birday wich was really cool

[hard thistle]

They ate still working on it
Probably not close to being done yet..

[balmy swallow]

probably

but it looks dope

[hard thistle]

Hell yeah

[balmy swallow]

you know that meme hell yeah simulater

simulator*

[hard thistle]

Not really

[balmy swallow]

everytime i see it it reminds me of doom

[balmy swallow]

its like a dude who drinks beer and is skiing while smoking

[hard thistle]

Oh ok

[gaunt agate]

I don't know where you get that idea.

[balmy swallow]

they could be fixing bugs tbh

[hard thistle]

From my best friend Aaron. He works at I'd software. Q + A. Department.

[gaunt agate]

lol sure.

[balmy swallow]

thats cool if you are not lyin

[gaunt agate]

he is. QA you would lose your job with a leak like that. Breaking NDA

[hard thistle]

If I was lying I would a said somebody higher up

[grim cloud]

past release dates doesn't mean anything. Doom Eternal was set to release in the fall before delayed

[balmy swallow]

to be fair its not that serios if you say that

like the franchise wouldnt fall

unless its way too much times delayed

[gaunt agate]

"to be fair"... yeah, and my best friend Bob

[balmy swallow]

you wouldnt lose your job if you say that its still in beta

[gaunt agate]

of course you would.

[balmy swallow]

no you wouldnt

[gaunt agate]

yes, you would..

[gaunt agate]

it was delayed because of Covid

[grim cloud]

covid didn't exist yet

shut downs started right around the time Doom Eternal released

in fact i remember taht putting a damper on the release night

[winter idol]

i think lockdown started 1 week before it came out for me

[gaunt agate]

I can't remember. DE was released in March. Wasn't one of the DLCs delayed after covid hit?

[winter idol]

i dont think so, i think the only thing that was impacted were their quality being diminished

[grim cloud]

yah DLC 2 was rushed perhaps, i still think the levels were all pretty awesome

the lore also took a confusing turn, i coudnlt keep track of it the first few times i played it

[winter idol]

by that time i was just kind of tired of the eternal formula and dropped it after dlc 2

[grim cloud]

Invasions also got cancelled due to covid

[winter idol]

yea

[hard thistle]

This saddens me a lot

[grim cloud]

small hope we see it for TDA. I pray to my baalgar statue every day for it to return

[gaunt agate]

Invasions, I think they also realized after playtesting that it wasn't as fun and they then switched to Horde mode.

[hard thistle]

I really hope so, any id multiplayer mode deserves to thrive and invasions didn't even get a chance

[grim cloud]

not at all, something to do with WFH and testing the netcode and servers.

[gaunt agate]

WFH?

[grim cloud]

at least that is waht someone told me at QC

Work From Home

[wheat sigil]

Invasion is way more fun than horde...

[gaunt agate]

it was never released though. 😁

[wheat sigil]

Mods🙂

[grim cloud]

horde mode had potential. THe modded version is much better if you ever played it

it uses the Battlemode maps and is actually more randomized - which makes it more replayable in my opinion

[gaunt agate]

yeah I saw the modded horde mode. I think id made a good version of Horde. It scales across the entire player base. Where the community version just looks brutal from the beginning and not enticing.

[wheat sigil]

The people playing mods are generally a decent chunk better than the average playerbase

And in the beginning it's just fodder

[grim cloud]

i play mods and i suck now, i play on HMP. Back in the day, during the long long ago, i was beating the game on ultranightmare

but i never beat it legit, that is not in one entire play through. I could only beat it by play each level 12 times on nightmare till i had it down to a science.

[gleaming swallow]

I want some damn co op

Real co op

Built in to the game

[grave abyss]

Maybe as the Night Sentinels?

So like you play as them (quite a bit weaker) with the host being Doom Slayer himself on the Unholy Crusades as mentioned in Eternal?

[gleaming swallow]

My brother in Christ, every one wants to be the doomguy

[grave abyss]

Fair yeah, but it would make more sense for the others to be the Sentinels, rather than just pulling Halo's Dust and Echoes out for it

Probably just make the Sentinels equal to Doom Guy, but the enemies far tougher?

[gleaming swallow]

It's not about if it makes sense, it's about coolness

[grave abyss]

Valid

[dire swan]

When's it out

Ah fuck 2025

[grim cloud]

only issue with real coop is that the campaign has to balance around that, which usually means it turns to meh. At least i base that on Youngblood. Not saying it could work but FPS has gotten far more complicated.

I think a cool coop mode might be some type of follower mode, where the main player controls the slayer, and he has followers that help. Kinda like Sonic 2. Basciallt you can play as a uac marine or sentinel

[terse rose]

my biggest hope for dark ages is that they bring back team deathmatch

[hard thistle]

a demons vs slayers deathmatch style would go crazy ngl

[summer summit]

Sorta like Species Team Deathmatch in Aliens vs. Predator (2010).

I like that idea.

[true egret]

Yo ik this has nothing to do to with what yall were talking bout but im so damn pumped for this game like the sound track will be coursing through my brains when it drops

[tribal lagoon]

Hopefully the soundtrack will be officially released this time too

[hard thistle]

I’d hoped the doom slayer and the dark lord would be forced to enter into a temporary, uneasy alliance against an even larger threat. At least when I fantasized about coop lol

[indigo iris]

Doom slayer would NOT let that slide

[hard thistle]

That'd just..ruin the whole point of the franchise

Plus Slayer isn't exactly the type of character that would form unholy alliances

He's gonna take down everyone who harms/has harmed humanity

Even if it means fighting multiple sides (oh, he did it in Eternal, too)

[hard thistle]

I don't see why the co-op has to have a canon reason, they should just let you play as two slayers cus it's fun

[neon gust]

I always imagined a coop mode would involve Crash from Quake III. As the Slayer's instructor, it would make sense that the both of them use the same weapons.

[grim cloud]

im fine with a arena/horde coop taht involves sentinals and UAC soldiers or whatever. I have a hard time speculating what we may get do two the lack of gameplay. But the level design and world is said to be 3X in size with going back to zones after they open up new areas that offer new surprises. The term Sandbox was also dropped.

[hard thistle]

I just thought it would have been cool to be the slayer flinging around and fighting from above while a friend plays a more tanky demon summoner Davoth. But like I said, this was just me fantasizing about it a year or two ago 🤣 I don’t expect doom to become coop. Looks like the slayer is just gonna become more beefy with dark ages and they’re not gonna use the same play style in every game anyways

[sacred granite]

Damn right

[tranquil moss]

youngblood is brutal solo but you do have a point

[grim cloud]

i only played it solo, it wasn't a very good game

[stray pollen]

I hope the soundtrack sounds more on the tribal side than heavy electronics. I know this sounds like a hot take but it's not, given that it's a medieval dark age setting, some argent style choral drums pounding in the battlefield would go so hard

[grim cloud]

I have hope taht Mick shows up at TGA, and does a quick TDA song and gets confirmation as diong the soundtrack. I know its wishful thinking, but i can fantasize can't i?

[gaunt agate]

😁 it would be the makeup of our lifetime if that ever happened. I don't think we'll see Mick ever again around the Doom franchise.

[hard thistle]

theres no bigger threat than davoth

[hard thistle]

Not even mysterious Samur post-tag1? Though I guess if doom slayer was able to get him, then davoth would too, unless he gets super-powered lol

[hard thistle]

samur was really just a corrupted maykr iirc

[hard thistle]

Yeah and davoth in tag2 would’ve been way more than a dude in a wh40k suit if it wasn’t for all the bs going on in the world then too

[hard thistle]

Davoth full power wouldve rocked doomslayer

[hard thistle]

Doom slayer isn’t full power either if he’s using his guns 🤣

I didn’t think too deeply bout that till now

[hard thistle]

Doom Slayer without weapons is beserker mode
davoths power was stripped from him by vega

I bet if he really wanted to, he would’ve just started tearing pieces of armor off and going crazy like how he would have to the titans

[hard thistle]

Doom slayer in lore is a human-shaped vessel of rage

Davoth in lore is a shapeshifter? (Or at least secretly a dragon ?)

If I remember correctly

[hard thistle]

Davoth was in an extremely weakeneded state when doomslayer awoken him, Full power wouldnt have needed the red praetor suit

[hard thistle]

I suppose that both recognized concessions must be made for the sake of the game

[regal geyser]

You’re damn right, the end of the doom ost on spotify is a great example of electronic doom music, but I too would like some tribal/medieval-grand drums

[chilly sonnet]

Dark Age.. did it the same Marine(doom, guy). Or else?!

[regal geyser]

I didn’t really think of the continuity, I just thought it is doom guy’s early lore

[wise gale]

Are any of you guys nervous that DtDA’s combat will be less engaging than Eternal’s?

[gleaming swallow]

I'm on the side of those that defend Eternals Combat

[hard thistle]

Right here✋😐

[wise gale]

I love Eternals, but I feel Dark Ages’ will be more grounded

Which is making me think it might be less engaging, if the skill sealing is lower? Pure speculation, and we don’t know anything yet

[hard thistle]

I really liked Eternal’s, but the meat hook is used so much for dodging in combat that you might as well be flying through the air most of the time

I’m excited for a more realistic and tanky combat experience. For the longest time you couldn’t even jump in games (not that that’s a good thing)

I’d much rather go toe to toe with the knights of hell after playing so much of Eternal, without copping out by flinging myself over them every five seconds, instead engaging in tight-knit combat that feels like dark souls. Though I may not have a sword and shield, the shotgun will suffice

[wise gale]

A very fair and good point!
But we will get a shield😏😏

[hard thistle]

Yes, I expect that if you use it to kill demons they will die in the same way as a destroyer blade in doom eternal (for most of them).

I hope that if you kill a demon with a shield throw, depending on which limbs it hits, maybe they’re left crawling on the ground for a bit after their legs are sheared off if you aim at their legs. (I would want to use a sword for that, but I don’t think there will be one in a doom game aside from a limited use crucible like in eternal)

[wise gale]

Maybe we’ll see the first use of the Crucible in Dark Ages, but considering the flail maybe not. Really hoping for another trailer soon. Watched the first one about 20 times by now

[hard thistle]

I always liked flails and maces so I’m really happy with the medieval weaponry regardless

[wise gale]

The weapons showed so far look awesome, especially the “Nail Gun”

And love the cape

[prime sentinel]

When they say grounded I don’t think they mean realism, I think they mean you will be literally on the ground most of the time

Because I don’t think the combat looks realistic at all lol and I don’t think that’s the point

[prime sentinel]

It’s called the rail spike

They say it in a game spot video iirc

[wise gale]

@prime sentinel oh you’re right!

[prime sentinel]

[wise gale]

I’d love to see them iterate on some of the combat elements from Eternal😍

[prime sentinel]

the impression I'm getting is that its more or less a clean slate

its a new combat system to learn and master

[wise gale]

They have very good combat in the previous entries, so this’ll probably be good aswell

[prime sentinel]

definitely, I'm very excited to see what they do with it

I'm liking what I've seen so far, but we've seen very little

[wise gale]

Can’t wait to see more

The larger eras sound exciting aswell

[prime sentinel]

Yeah hoping exploration has a bit more rewards like secret encounters and getting weapons early and stuff

They said it’s not open world, just has much larger levels

Interested in how this will play out exactly

[wise gale]

Larger levels sound fun, I wouldn’t want a DOOM open world atm

[prime sentinel]

same here

I think the Doom Eternal levels are already pretty massive so I can only assume they mean there will be more going on in each levels than just encounters and stuff

I'm going to guess more puzzles and dungeon crawl-y stuff akin to classic doom

I believe quake con goers mentioned a puzzle involving the shield

don't quote me on this, I wasn't there

[prime sentinel]

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Doom:_The_Dark_Ages

Here’s a good rundown of everything that is known so far

Some details regarding the quakecon footage is missing

[wise gale]

Sounds very fun, good puzzles and maybe some mini bosses could be good

[wise gale]

Giving this a look

[slim nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/i-will-be-waiting-waiting-impatient-hurry-up-cant-wait-gif-8572334740569538105

[wise gale]

QuakeCon reveals sound insane, sounds like a much set piece heavier game, than any of the two before it

[placid saffron]

They can be big but they're still linear so their functional size is a lot smaller

[prime sentinel]

yes I suppose its moreso length that doom eternal levels have

they can be quite long and they have a sense of scale, but they aren't really large and fully explorable

[empty furnace]

when did the first dark ages trailer release

[regal geyser]

June 9th this year

[grim cloud]

which i could see it again. I REALLY wish i could see the 2014 gameplay, but sadly that video self destructed

[hard thistle]

I didn’t mean realism when I said grounded, I just couldn’t think of another word to describe the player only walking and jump/double jumping, instead of flying through the air like a 🛩️

Like literally just that doom slayer is grounded to the floor I guess lol

[prime sentinel]

I kinda doubt there will be double jumping

might not even be traditional jumping

[hard thistle]

Haha maybe, I guess we’ll have to see

I’d be surprised if there isn’t double jumping, but doom slayer hasn’t gotten the boots from 2016 in dark ages yet 🤔

[prime sentinel]

I have a feeling even a double jump would make combat way more aerial than they want to

also, if you look at the projectiles in the trailer, a lot of them are the size of the slayer

they're tall projectiles that you're likely supposed to strafe around rather than jump over

[wise gale]

Which is sad news

Huge bummer

[prime sentinel]

I'm sure someone has the footage out there, the devs definitely do

but no one has publically released it because they were asked not to

[grim cloud]

hugo said to my face that it is lost forever, deleted, gone, history. I don't see a reason why he would lie about that

[prime sentinel]

I spoke with someone a while ago who mentioned it

existing, that is,

who knows though, surely if someone recorded it it would have leaked by now, or maybe every one who has the footage just loves Id that much

[grim cloud]

Some one at id? Well if they do have it i see no reason to keep it locked down.

from what i gathered, the 2014 video starts with teh cyberdemon pulling the player out, and then it pretty much plays the Foundry level and ends with the rev killing the player

There are also bits and pieces of that video in the first trailer

[prime sentinel]

yeah I remember hearing this description back then haha

[grim cloud]

foudnry was also interwoven with resource ops too if i recollect

[prime sentinel]

maybe when nightdive remasters it in 2036 we'll get it in the Id Vault

😏

[grim cloud]

yah, 12 years to do, start the countdown. Nightdive should also do a mini campaign as well

[slender night]

2016 is actually as old as 3 was when it got remastered

[prime sentinel]

no id vault in doom 3 bfg though

we need a new doom 3 remaster with an id vault

I bet they got tons of doom 3 stuff sitting around

they had a lot of doom stuff and that game is waaay older

[grim cloud]

yah new Doom 3 remastered, and another lost mission episode that stars doom girl

[slender night]

I need them to give it the Quake II id Vault treatment

Not the D+D2 one

[prime sentinel]

Quake 2's development in general was a lot more structured so it makes sense they had more in the way of design documents and stuff

[grim cloud]

Wolfenstein 2009 needs a remaster, i can't even plat it even though i have the CD ROM. 🏴‍☠️ 🌊

[slender night]

No need for a remaster I'd say

[prime sentinel]

so it stands to reason there's probably a lot of Doom 3 stuff

[slender night]

Just rerelease it

[prime sentinel]

doubt it

that game's wrapped up in a bunch of wacky stuff, still delisted on steam

[grim cloud]

yah id be happy if they just make it playable

[prime sentinel]

even though I think technically they should be able to sell it since microsoft owns activision and id?

though, I'm not going to pretend I know how this legal shit works

[slender night]

This game should be the #1 most sought after delisted Steam game, NOT TASM 2

[grim cloud]

i bet they are doing a remaster of Heretic-Hexen and Wolf 2009 once MS bought the rights

[dark peak]

wake me up when the game gets released

[grim cloud]

you have about 345 days to sleep!

[balmy thistle]

might be more than that if the devs delay it, i trust them tho

[prime sentinel]

We will just have to wait and see I suppose

[dense gazelle]

Wow the new indy system requirements are wild

Isn't tda the same engine?

[hard thistle]

Indiana jones is using id tech 7

[dense gazelle]

It's a modified version

[grim cloud]

well there is a ton of cinamatics, like 4 hours or more, not to mention lots of audio. that shit adds up

[dense gazelle]

Disk space? That's irrelevant. Look at the recommended GPU for max eye candy

[prime sentinel]

right Indy is using a modified version of Eternal's engine

I think Machinegames always seem to not perform as well as Id's games, for example, Wolfenstein TNC

even despite using Id's engines

[tribal lagoon]

I feel like some might get turned off from MachineGames Wolfenstein if there coming from playing DOOM 2016 or Eternal since if you try to play New Order or TNC like 2016 or Eternal you’ll die real quick

And with how popular and well received 2016 and Eternal are I feel like it’s set a sort of weird expectation in some peoples minds

I was like that at first (I didn’t get turned off from MachineGames Wolfenstein though I really like them) but maybe that’s just me

[prime sentinel]

I meant performance as in framerate

and optimization

[placid saffron]

i mean if it was just the engine and not how the actual game is designed i'd question a lot about the industyr

[placid saffron]

i should have read more

[cosmic wadi]

If ya'll had to give an estimate percentage of any DTDA info being revealed at The Game Awards, what would it be?

[grim cloud]

a trailer, i say about 50/50, real gameplay 5%,

[graceful lion]

DTDA had gameplay tho, more would be nice, but it definitely looks like it plays very well

[dense gazelle]

By now I am certain tga has nothing to offer

[grim cloud]

honestly i don think we will get neither a trailer or gameplay. Maybe another short teaser that promote the next xbox direct which will have TDA gameplay

[grim cloud]

gameplay as in 15 minutes of slayer doing stuff like we got with 2016/Eternal

trailers are much different, and do not really give you a good glimpse on how the game works

[neon perch]

I dreamt about TDA again. Didn't the folk that attended QC and saw the footage report a single barrel shotgun being in the game?

[grim cloud]

i dont remember seeing one, but there was a double barreled plasma rifle

[neon perch]

Was it literally the one from DE but split down the middle frame?

[grim cloud]

not the one from DE, it was more mediaval looking. It fired blue shit

[marble rivet]

yeah, and a double barreled plasma rifle

[neon perch]

Like the bucaneer skin? Wooden frame and all?

[grim cloud]

i dont know what that means. It was made out of steel

there may of been wood

[neon perch]

I've read people report it was literally the classic PR but with a side-by-side barrel config.

Beats me, we'll see.

[grim cloud]

yah the barrels were squarish I think, so it looked like the classic plasma in a way

[neon perch]

Wonder what's in the plans for a Rocket Launcher this time around.

Watch it fire skulls.

[grim cloud]

if i had to guess, probably something closer to the DE one

and yes, fires skulls

[neon perch]

Oh, did you happen to get a look at the HUD? How much ammo was the player holding?

[grim cloud]

I dont remember seeing a hud at all, someone said they could make out a face on the hud but i dont remember

I dont remember seeing a life bar either

but there was a watermark that said "Alpha Demonstration"

or something like that

Looking that the Wiki, says that the new plasma gun is called teh Accelerator

[neon perch]

Interesting. Wondering about projectile speed, I hope they aren't as slow as was showcased in the trailer.

[grim cloud]

the enemy projectils will be slowed down, they want the player to manuever in a maze of fire balls. Much like classic doom. My guess is the players weapons are much faster im sure

[neon perch]

Sounds on par with reports that they want the game to play more like the OGs. Hope that doesn't lower the skill ceiling too much what with the introduction of the shield.

[grim cloud]

i hope monster count becomes the primary way to up the diffuculty mode like in classic. The whole "they just hit harder now" never felt fun or immersive

[graceful lion]

yeah, id like something as hard as eternal, or a bit harder than the beginning

looks very open in alot of areas, i wonder how theyre gonna make them difficult

because it looks like a "run and gun" to me

[dense gazelle]

What if we don't get anything at Xbox direct at all?

[graceful lion]

we wait for either another trailer or game release

[dense gazelle]

2026

[obsidian shard]

Thoughts of killing myself🗣️🗣️

I'm thinking either Spring or Fall of 2025

[dense gazelle]

Trailer or Game Release?

[graceful lion]

game release of course

because in the dark ages trailer they said the game is 2025

[dense gazelle]

There's no way for a spring release without a real story trailer this year

[ancient locust]

I totally own this game so I'm here

[ancient locust]

Wat story? Shoot demons

[remote thunder]

0/10 bait

[cyan lotus]

The story is that doomguy Can move light speed and also uses guns for fun and is also canonically married to isabelle btw don’t forget that one

[graceful lion]

well, doomguy is a marine, so i sure as hell would be surprised if he didnt like guns

[ashen narwhal]

make doom slayer a super killing demons

[unreal nimbus]

?

Hes literally the most powerful character in fiction

[wheat sigil]

No

[unreal nimbus]

Ehhh

Up there

Like top 3

[wheat sigil]

No

[unreal nimbus]

That i know of

[wheat sigil]

Superman, me and kirby

[unreal nimbus]

Superman isnt even the most powerful dc character though

[wheat sigil]

That isn't necessarily relevant

Also, doomguy needs his guns, he isn't some insanely strong guy who just wants humanity to suffer

[unreal nimbus]

He does not he just uses them to prolong the suffering of demons

[wheat sigil]

Source?

And do you think he'd let humanity suffer and die just so some demons can go through more pain?

It would also be way easier to control the suffering of demons without guns

[safe ice]

doom fans try not to gas up doomguy every moment they can challenge (impossible)

[graceful lion]

he clearly doesnt struggle with ripping demons apart when they are staggered

[graceful lion]

true lmao

[proud vine]

All right folks place your bets

Trailer for the game awards or nah?

[remote thunder]

i bet you can't point to a single thing in the source material that suggests let alone proves this

mostly because you probably "played" the games by watching a youtube series but that's not relevant

[unreal nimbus]

Ohhhh i just read about that

I thought i saw it in a codex entry once

[unreal nimbus]

Ive been playing the games since i was really young

Like 8 or 9

[unreal nimbus]

It being just a fan theory that is

Also nice pfp

[safe ice]

yeah a lot of fan theories are confused as canon

like how doomguy apparently went back to hell in episode 4 just because the demons killed daisy

which is somehow believed even though there is only evidence disproving it

[unreal nimbus]

Honestly never really looked deep into the ogs lore

[safe ice]

I mean you dont really need to be a genius to know its wrong considering episode 4 doesnt even take place in hell

[unreal nimbus]

Yeah

[safe ice]

and after episode 4 he gets into a portal that sends him to the space station in doom 2

[unreal nimbus]

Yah

[vagrant path]

Bro what

wasn't episode 4 where he got kicked out of hell for being too badass

or was that the other episode

[safe ice]

no, doomguy never really wanted to be in hell in the classic games

[vagrant path]

phobos anomaly?

[safe ice]

he just, goes to hell, kicks the demons asses for killing humans, and goes back

and also destroys the teleporters obviously

[vagrant path]

Idfk I haven't played the classics in awhile I've forgotten the story

[safe ice]

I mean at the same time there isnt really a lot of story displayed in the classic games

with the only "lore" being found in manuals and whatnot

[vagrant path]

And the doom bible

buddy dakota intensifies

[safe ice]

doom bible is the early story tho

it has nothing to do with the games

[vagrant path]

Shit ur right

dude remember the weird ass theory from before eternal released where the betrayer possessed doom guy after he died in episode 1

[safe ice]

no..?

doomguy never died in episode 1

[vagrant path]

didn't he though?

after the two barons fight

he got ambushed

[safe ice]

iirc the end to e1 was just a thing that could act as both an entrance cutscene of sorts to hell and also as an ending to the shareware demo

[vagrant path]

But yeah there was this theory someone had from the first trailers for doom eternal

that tried to make sense of the story and connect it to doom 2016

also the first theory I'm aware of that was actually right (doomguy being the slayer)

[safe ice]

yeah thats kinda set in stone

[nocturne crypt]

gambling to doom when

[graceful lion]

oh you know what would be cool?

this was probably talked about already, but imagine if you can hook onto giant flying creatures, since its a medieval game, it might have dragons, so you can get on them and somewhat take control of them or stagger them for a glory kill

[slender night]

Isn't it not gonna be as vertical as DE

[prime sentinel]

Also the “glory kill” system is said to be completely different and not just the animation based ones we’re used to

My theory is there are no glory kills and they’re actually called something else

[slender night]

I'd like something similiar to Wolfenstein's "glory kills"

The game calls them combat takedowns

[prime sentinel]

Because in the Xbox interview thing, Hugo is asked about glory kills and he responds without ever using the phrase “glory kill” instead saying there will be lots of ways to kill demons

[graceful lion]

ohh right you can like do them yourself or something

well that doesnt explain it, i mean theres many more ways to do them and it feels more interactive than just pressing E to GK

[prime sentinel]

I think it’s going to be a different system involving the melee weapons that allows you to reap rewards from staggered demons in a number of ways with different weapons

Instead of just being health and just being an animation

Perhaps you can combo different melee attacks together for different resources from a single demon

[graceful lion]

ooh yeah that would be really cool

maybe a perk that gives health or ammo depending on what weapon you used to glory kill

[prime sentinel]

I don’t think it will be a perk, I think that will be the major mechanic

Like that will be how you get resources

[graceful lion]

i get what you mean

yeah that would be pretty cool also, instead of chainsawing everything, you glory kill and it feels more rewarding

i wonder if theres gonna be any secrets, that would be cool, like in 2016 and eternal

[prime sentinel]

I think they’ll call it something else since it won’t even really resemble a glory kill

[graceful lion]

fair

[prime sentinel]

And also Hugo just not calling them glory kills and being very cagey about it when he was asked

Like it definitely sounded like he was skirting around the question

Which was “how many glory kills will be in the game roughly?” And his response was “there will be lots of ways to kill demons”

[graceful lion]

TDA is definitely gonna be a comeback from the DLCs (i know that its before 2016)

[graceful lion]

mmmm, that gives many possibilities

maybe being able to use friendly fire more against demons

[prime sentinel]

To me that sounds very clearly like he was trying not to use the phrase

Because it avoids the question completely

[prime sentinel]

I think the DLCs are rather good personally

even the second one is mostly pretty great imo

[graceful lion]

ah, i just saw the reviews and thought "everyone thinks theyre shit, but why tho"

might just be angry people that the dlc is harder

[prime sentinel]

nah I think with DLC2 its the opposite

its a bit easier than DLC1

also both DLCs are in the high 70s on metacritic

which I would say means they were well recieved critically, though I know they are a bit more controversial in the Doom Eternal community

[graceful lion]

oh thank fuck

[prime sentinel]

actually much easier tbh

the hammer is insanely OP

[graceful lion]

i did a tiny bit of TAG 1 after beating 2016 (i finished eternal before that also) and holy mother of god

punches are not held

but i guess its because 2016 had less verticality and such

[prime sentinel]

2016 is highly vertical

compared to what TDA looks like especially

[graceful lion]

well, i guess its more of you have more options to move is what i menat

[prime sentinel]

yeah Eternal is a lot faster

TAG 1's first two levels are the peak of Eternal imo

they're probably my two favorite levels in the game

[cyan lotus]

I don’t think TAG1 is controversial at all

It’s mostly TAG2 that got people worked up

And I guess TAG1 upset a few fans with its “nerfs” but I guarantee you that 99% of the people who complain about that have never even played the release patch of it and just parrot what they got told by everybody else, and then the 1% of people who did actually play the release patch are fighting a lost cause because those changes were not significant enough to matter, to the point where I’d say that’s the players fault at that point because if it felt that much harder pre-nerf to be disgruntled about it, that’s an issue

[prime sentinel]

Always saw that as kinda like, people very desperate to prove they’re a hardcore gamer

[cyan lotus]

I think the thing I can see the most is the blood maykr nerf but really the only issue there is they aren’t open as long, but they still do a lot of damage so idk

But TAG2 was genuinely mishandled, and I kind of blame COVID, but also blame their odd self imposed deadline

[slender night]

Naming that DLC pack "Year One" has been one of their worst decisions

[cyan lotus]

doesn’t help that people just don’t check what they buy before they buy it

[slender night]

It's not even the first option in the store, people have no excuse to still keep falling for that

[cyan lotus]

I think at one point TAG2 was at the top of the steam page, which was explicitly not the main game, but because it was the top it meant that people just bought it

The problem with TAG2 is the levels just feel so empty, which don’t get me wrong, was an issue in the main campaign to a certain extent, but having 13 levels there’s a lot of room for dilution, and also the fact it wasn’t expected to be too difficult, but expectations were set up for TAG2 that just weren’t really ever met

Like these levels on average are about just as difficulty as the late game in the base campaign was, that, alongside having such an overpowered addition to the players arsenal, it’s just not very engaging

I think it’s fine in it’s own right, as something you could unwind on, or in my case, speedrun, but in terms of like actually playing it expecting a huge challenge, don’t do that

[neon perch]

TAG 1 is great. 2 drops the ball.

It just doesn't slap as hard. The levels in TAG1 are so good.

[wheat sigil]

The final arena reclaimed earth is the best part of tag2

It's actually very fun, as far as I remember

[cyan lotus]

The last wave will always feel tacked on, to me

[scenic lichen]

I feel like it would’ve been fine if they didn’t try to do so much with so little time

I’m just not a fan of trying to squeeze the dark lord into a short dlc

[slender night]

It's just also a horrible name even without the time crunch they suffered because of it

[vagrant path]

TAG1 at release was utter hell

I remember playing one of the slayer gate things

[cyan lotus]

TAG1 at release didn’t even have the possessed marauder lol😭

[scenic lichen]

im glad possessed marauder got nerfed

it used to be such a fucking drag to fight

[vagrant path]

Dude what about the blood makyrs

those fuckers were pure EVIL on day one from what I remember

[wheat sigil]

They were never that bad

Only change I can think of this some projectiles and stuff scaling in speed with FPS

[remote thunder]

the crucifix attack can go clean thru map geometry sometimes which is kinda fucked ig, but the telegraph gives you like 3 years to react and kill the enemy, in one shot nonetheless

[blazing swallow]

Lore wise Doomguy uses guns for fun. In lore he once took down a titan with his bare hands.

[remote thunder]

^ hasn't read a single codex page

[plucky plinth]

he doesn't lmao

he requires them to survive

[blazing swallow]

Read the Lore

then we talk

[remote thunder]

can your sacred lore explain why he dies near instantly when attempting unarmed combat in-game

[plucky plinth]

and the fact he needs several punches when taking down enemies in glory kills

[remote thunder]

why does a single fireball chew through his "indestructible" armor

[dire pike]

dunno

[remote thunder]

you're referencing the sixth slayer testament, right?

all said codex says is that he probably used a "sword and shield of adamantine strength", not his bare hands

you clearly haven't read anything yourself, fraud

[plucky plinth]

Only if m0no was online, glask

Only if he was

[remote thunder]

the fifth testament has this line: "The Titan fought with the fury of the countless that had fallen at the Doom Slayer's hand", wherein the expression "the Doom Slayer's hand" is just that, a literary expression

all that line means is that the titan had a taste for revenge

it doesn't describe anything about how exactly the slayer went about winning this encounter

all of the text surrounding this line has an archaic tone and said expression is just there to match it

it just means he killed a bunch of smaller dudes until The Big One got mad and started stomping around

fighting let alone killing a titan unarmed is a feat of enough importance that it'd make no sense to do anything but mention it explicitly. the text does not do this

i'm assuming you interpreted that line as the slayer having fought unarmed that entire time

but if you apply a little bit of reading comprehension, that isn't even implied

whereas "With sword and shield of adamantine strength" is an explicit description of his weaponry at the time

it only makes sense to conclude that he used medieval (possibly enchanted) weaponry, not his hands

the slayer getting glazed this much everywhere can only be a result of powerscalers refusing to apply even a little bit of reasoning and reading comprehension to their thought process, and taking every possible bit of lore and dialogue out of context and dragging it far beyond the limits of sanity and logic

which you have done here

[cyan lotus]

Doom eternal powerscalers when they have to actually powerscale doomguy and not just write fanfic about stuff that’s never even been remotely been alluded to by any source material:

[soft turret]

This is so funny

Because we literally see this man struggle to catch a crippled old lady in doom 2016

He's just a glorified master chief

[hard thistle]

The Doomguy variant from the Complex Clusterfuck mod can beat Doom Slayer into oblivion

Or the one from Russian Overkill

[hard thistle]

what 💀

Idk if it's legit to compare them with each other but those are the only Doomguys with insane gameplay feats

The first one can literally tank nukes if he has fully upgraded runes

[graceful lion]

lets not use the gameplay doomguy

[hard thistle]

That's all I wanna say tbh
Plus I dropped out of conversations like this 3 years ago

Ppl should enjoy the games and quit caring about power scales

[neon perch]

Do you think the Slayer would be strong enough to take a needle in the butt.

We're talking like. A really big needle.

[grizzled lichen]

What month will the dark ages be released?

[slender night]

Unknown

[soft turret]

so called ''Lore Doomguy'' is not a real thing

[graceful lion]

really?

[soft turret]

yes.

[graceful lion]

how so?

[soft turret]

a multiversal whatever being wouldnt have struggled to catch a crippled old woman

[graceful lion]

true

and you know someone surely is just fucking around when they say "hes multiversal" or "beyond creation"

[soft turret]

they're not

people fight for their lives trying to argue he is multiversal and faster than light

[graceful lion]

😭

doom glazers trying not to glaze him when he gets mentioned anywhere :

https://tenor.com/view/sweating-bullets-wet-watered-gif-13073414

"HE IS A MULTIVERSAL LEVEL BEING FASTER THAN LIGHT, HE IS BEYOND CREATION"

[native jasper]

Doom guy is strong but he ain't multiversal

[soft turret]

doomguy is weak i can prolly beat him

[slender night]

These powerscalers need to glaze the actual strongest DOOM protagonist instead (RoE guy)

[native jasper]

Nah the REAL strongest Doom character in the doom series? The IMPS

[cyan lotus]

So called “multiversal” character when Elena Richardson has a blood sample of him:

[native jasper]

Create literal copies

[cyan lotus]

My point being that if he was multiversal he wouldn’t be able to bleed

[slender night]

So-called "multiversal" character when Soul Cube (it's over)

[hard thistle]

Isn't he "multiversal" tho? I'm not a powerscaler so I have no clue what any of the terms mean but like doom has a multiverse and he does travel between the universes in the multiverse, which seems like it would be the definition of multiversal to me. Even if he is multiversal tho I'm still on the same side as everyone else, I still disagree with the constant fanboying over him and the blowing his power out of proportion. It annoys the fuck out of me.

[slender night]

In a powerscaling context, multiversal means the power needed to destroy more than one universe

...at least that's what Reddit says, I'm not an expert

[hard thistle]

That is.... extremely dumb. I don't really see how that definition fits that word at all but I guess that shows the intelligence of most powerscalers. Yeah anyway doomguy isn't even fucking close to that, and I have no idea how they try to gaslight themselves into thinking he is.

Doomguy shooting his shotgun at a star thinking he's gonna destroy the universe or something idk

[soft turret]

The claim that he is multiversal originates from him having defeated the Dark Lord, who created the doom universe, or the fundamentals of it.

The problem is, we don't know how Davoth did that

and the gameplay and plot contradicts Doomguy being able to scrap with someone who is multiversal.

There's also the fact that Davoth was weakened when he fought him.

[hard thistle]

How does defeating some person change anything about how powerful DOOMGUY is???

[soft turret]

Well

[hard thistle]

Technically if god had a physical form and the need to sleep, anyone could kill god, that doesn't make a random human multiversal

[soft turret]

Because you usually have to be as powerful as someone who created an universe, you have to be as strong as them

Because durability is usually relative to their power

That's why you can slid Goku's neck open whilst he's sleeping

[hard thistle]

.....but you like don't tho..... You can be objectively way weaker than your opponent and still outsmart them. Take for example the predator movies, just because those humans "kill" the predator sometimes doesn't make them any stronger than any other human. They are still just a human. They don't just become multiversal after doing that. Doomguy could not destroy a universe all of a sudden after he kills Davoth. I don't really see how using the fact that he killed Davoth as evidence makes any sense whatsoever.

[slender night]

If you kill an architect it means you are strong enough to destroy the building he designed
Source: powerscaling

[soft turret]

Not quite.

Whilst I agree with you that Doomguy is not multiversal, or anything of the sort.

You can't kill someone overwhelmingly more powerful just by outsmarting them, the predator is a building level character.

Him being killed by humans is completely believable.

Humans killing someone who can blow up an universe wouldn't be, no matter how smart they are.

Unless they get a plot tool that allows them to do so, like the infinity gauntlet or something

[soft turret]

Being an architect is very different from being a creator.

Whilst I see your point, an architect designs

It's not the same as God saying ''let there be light'' and space coming into existence.

[slender night]

I just surrender immediately

I don't wanna be caught up in any powerscaling discussions

[soft turret]

powerscaling sometimes is important for the plot, just because if you don't take it into account, the plot wouldn't make sense

In my opinion, Doomguy is not multiversal because neither of them is.

I personally believe that Davoth created everything using technology

[cyan lotus]

It’s not really personally that’s true as far as I know

And since davoth had his power stripped from him, wouldn’t be a relevant factor, when the fight happens in TAG2 he is effectively a normal person with a hell mech suit

It is by no means an insane feat, let alone a multiversal one

[gloomy epoch]

[tribal lagoon]

Considering he needed the Maykrs to help him with learning about immortality he definitely did not create worlds with like a snap of his fingers or something

[graceful lion]

doomguy also kinda needed the divinity machine to be able to do all he did without dying several times

[true plover]

googoo

[thick citrus]

[scenic lichen]

[bitter wing]

[hard thistle]

powerscaling is the dumbest thing on the internet, dont get into it

[hard thistle]

Stan Lee once said this,

The question Im always asked is who would win in a fight. Who would win in a fight if Galactus fight the Hulk, or if Thor fought Iron Man. And theres one answer to all of that, its so simple, anyone should know this...

The person who would win in a fight is the person the WRITER wants to win!

There's no point in arguing

[tidal berry]

🇹🇭

[stray urchin]

Half a year since the reveal trailer is crazy

[stray urchin]

Not expecting to see the dark ages at the game awards so that way I won't be disappointed

[quick lichen]

I have a theory about the Arachnotrons. Do you want to hear it?

Some Arachnotrons can be seen in the trailer for The Dark Ages, the Arachnotrons (as far as I know) are made with the DNA of the Spider Mastermind, then it wouldn't make sense for The Dark Ages to happen in the past, perhaps it's a universe that's being attacked by hell, but it wouldn't make sense for it to happen in the future either because+

+Because in the Doom Eternal DLCs we defeat the dark king, or something like that (I haven't bought it), so I have a lot of doubts.

Sorry if the English is rubbish, I use Google Translate.

[arctic hornet]

I mean, the classic games are before the dark ages, dark ages is the bridge between 64 and 2016. we still had a mastermind and little baby arachnotrons back then too.

I’m guessing when Olivia pierce turned into the spider it was less of the actual spider and more of a mutation into the form of one. Now that I think about it I wonder how these boss monsters (mastermind, barons, cyber demon, the hundreds of icon of sins) even coexist despite seeming like one cohesive unit instead of a species.

[quick lichen]

Good theory, I forgot about the existence of Doom 64

[jade dawn]

can i get some help with something?

[quick lichen]

Yup?

[polar cosmos]

how glitchy yall think this game will be

[glass swan]

Based off Eternal, I'm thinking stable at launch with some issues here and there, possible dips and rises in functionality after its first few major updates, before climbing back to a more polished and stable state

Tho hopefully they'll have learned a bit after Eternal and it stays consistently stable throughout its support

[unreal nimbus]

I hope the soundtrack is more doom/black metal with some industrial influence

That would be sick

[ancient locust]

I hope we get more guns and pistol 🙏

[unreal nimbus]

I just didnt like that the guns are the same in 2016 and eternal

I dont think the modern doom games need a bunch of guns

1 or 2 more would be nice

Im assuming his arsenal is gonna be entirely unique though besides the super shotgun because of the setting

[ancient locust]

Ye

But I need like 1000 guns

Proud American

[unreal nimbus]

Same

From the trailer it looks like there will be a bigger emphasis on melee weapons though

So thats pretty cool

[ancient locust]

Guns

[unreal nimbus]

Pew pew stick

[heavy hedge]

The gun that shoots skulls and the mech is cool asf

[unreal nimbus]

I like the new styles of gameplay we saw

The mech and A FUCKING DRAGON

[heavy hedge]

Omfg it's gonna be fucking sick as hell

[unreal nimbus]

Yeah

I hope it has 2016s multiplayer though or something similar

[heavy hedge]

I only played single player

I don't like multiplayer games tbh

And tbh I don't play alot of games

I played Forza horizon 3 n 4 and burnout paradise and doom 93 that's it

[hard thistle]

We can still hope for a multiplayer alongside the single player though. Doom is luckily one of the only series where I know they'll still have a great campaign regardless of how much time they spend on the multiplayer. They aren't going to make their business model center around it, they're only going to try to make it fun.

[graceful lion]

it looks like theres gonna be more medieval styled weapons

like the mace and the shield, and the skullcrusher

[ancient locust]

nah uh

i made the game i do the rules

[graceful lion]

or maybe things that look..older

[ancient locust]

oh no... i could say smth but i no want ban

[sterile sage]

What are the chances of trailer release in TGA?

[devout cove]

50%

[sterile sage]

Nooooo

[polar cosmos]

i mean, speedrunners are going to find gamebreaking glitches no matter what

[scenic lichen]

at least 5 freddies

[sterile sage]

??

[sterile sage]

What's that mean?

[graceful lion]

well thats intentionally using bugs

or intentionally trying to do them

a doom experience without any unintentional bugs is what we want

[misty beacon]

DOOM TDA? More like DOOM TBA, haha for sure
Later alligator

[scenic lichen]

doom the dark ages was so good it made me realize the dark ages is the era we're living in right now actually

[misty beacon]

🙅‍♂️🧢❔

No cap?

Like fr fr?

[hard thistle]

Given what's going on in the world, yes

[latent fractal]

what are your guy’s thoughts on the new hud? it looked pretty reminiscent of the old doom hud which is pretty cool

[tribal lagoon]

Is there a new image out or video out? None of the previous footage shows a HUD

[latent fractal]

check in #screenshots . this is apparently from the quakecon from this year that was showing off the new doom. someone drew it off memory

i can get the youtube source if you want

[obsidian shard]

News is news

[hard thistle]

Interesting if they're actually going for the face hud in a modern game. Probably gonna be super off putting at first

Having health bars in the center will be huge

[latent fractal]

my thoughts too! itll be weird but super cool since the gameplay is also aiming towards the classic feeling

[latent fractal]

also true. its much easier to glance at

and it looks like the chainsaw meter is underneath the corssair, as well as being on the bottom left which is nice

it also seems like stunned enemies give a free lock on for shield bashing which is awesome

does anyone think we will get some gameplay at the game awards?

[hasty vapor]

I hope we get a sword

Or a big warhamme

https://tenor.com/view/conan-conan-the-barbarian-arnold-schwarzenegger-gif-11092867

[hard thistle]

Yeah

Big sword fun

[latent fractal]

im rly hoping we can parry projectiles

[latent fractal]

that would be nuts

[hasty vapor]

Please no scythe so cliche

[crude shuttle]

I'm just hoping the game is quality. iD set themselves a ridiculously high bar with Eternal and the setting of The Dark Ages, as well as the weaponry revealed thus far have me concerned.

[fathom horizon]

a sickle would be cool

imagine being able to throw it like a boomerang

[grim cloud]

Mace and Flail are the only melee weapons we have seen, also the shield if you count it. I think the rest of the weapons will be more traditional, but Argenta tech versions of UAC norm (think GuassRifle/Ballista)

I dont think we see the Chaingun yet, or the super weapon to replace the BFG, as well as the Rocket Launcher. SOmeone said they saw the combat shotgun in the QC video but i do not remember seeing it

TGA is two days away. I doubt we get much considering that ad fees cost nearly 500k during the stream. Why spend that when you can just do it for free a month or so later

[solar portal]

I've been so excited for doom the dark ages that I've been having dreams about it

So I guess the whole glory kill thing is gone in this game?

That's a shame cause I loved the kill animations

[viscid mulch]

Nerf glory kills?

Would there ever be a DooM & Space Marine collaboration?

[crude shuttle]

Does Bethesda have both IPs? If not, I highly doubt it's something they'd ever make happen. I don't know who published Space Marine so I can't give you a good answer. The only Warhammer game I've ever played was Space Hulk: Deathwing for approximately 1 hour.

[viscid mulch]

First Time Playing Space Marine 2- Just seems like these Worlds would Collide.

[tribal lagoon]

They confirmed Glory Kills are coming back at QuakeCon apparently

slightly reworked as a system but coming back no less

heard somewhere that you can glory kill with the dragons and mechs but take that with a grain of salt cause i don't remember where I heard that

[tribal lagoon]

I hope the TDA makes the guns not just Sentinel reskins of the usual UAC arsenal. Though it seems the bone crusher gun and heavy nailgun impaler thing seem different enough

ESPECIALLY if weapon mods are coming back (hopefully)

The Plasma Rifle seeming relatively same-y was kind of to be expected though so idc much about that

I hope the SSG has something interesting about it besides now seemingly being lever action

like maybe actually giving the SSG a proper weapon mod duo

Even though i just said I don't want reskins a Maykr tech take on the BFG would be kind of cool

and I don't mean the Unmaykr

[hard thistle]

I imagine there would be a much smaller pool of animations for those if true, like maybe 2 animations per guy

[hexed linden]

What

[prime sentinel]

I think they will be called something else

People are describing them as “glory kills” because they don’t have the word for them yet

[tribal lagoon]

I can imagine there being finishers for the mech sequences but it probably won’t be as frequent as what I guess people typically think of as a glory kill

Cause I imagine the mech sections there will be like 2 maybe 3 of them max

And they’d probably be pretty contained to an area where your just duking it out with a Titan

[prime sentinel]

Oh you mean specifically in the mech? Yeah I wonder how that will play out I feel like it will take advantage of the improved demon damage system

Maybe you’ll be able to rip arms off and stuff

[latent fractal]

i think hugo described the new “glory kill” system as doing quick strikes on enemies while having full control of the movement, so you are not stuck in an animation

which could mean enemies are even more aggressive in this game, since you can cancel the finishers

[graceful lion]

it also might mean alot more creativity for glory kills

or, the new GKs

[latent fractal]

ya im excited to see what they cook

if anything im just so happy they keep changing the formula for each game drastically. take a look at god of war ragnarok and that game felt like a “1.5” more than a sequel to its predecessor

[graceful lion]

yeah, jus took everything and imrpvoed it

[placid saffron]

I hope it'll be more "actual" creativity and not just a 2d swipe of your weapon you can aim loosely

[graceful lion]

nah, it has full movement of your character

so its gonna be 3d, and probably not one of these

[placid saffron]

That says technically nothing against my fear

With "2d swipe" i meant like your sword going from right to left when you press m1

[graceful lion]

i know

[placid saffron]

Yeah so it's still the possibility of this

[dusty wolf]

[stray urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-the-dark-ages-doom-dark-ages-doom-dark-ages-doomguy-gif-366884463840825135

[latent fractal]

wym

[boreal locust]

When I saw this man.. I was so gassed

[regal geyser]

If it would be the simplest mouse move to make, a “2d swipe”

[latent fractal]

whats a 2d swipe?

im not too smart

[regal geyser]

Just moving your mouse from left to right

[latent fractal]

just moving your mouse to look?

[regal geyser]

But then to move your sword as the “glory kill” animation

[latent fractal]

oh

[regal geyser]

That would be boring

[latent fractal]

i mean eternal just made you click a button to glory kill which was fine

[regal geyser]

I’d rather just push a button and have a second to breathe, instead of having to make a boring (after a couple times) mouse move

If you change something, you replace it with something better

[latent fractal]

ohh i see what you are saying. ya that would be an awful design. and why would that even be a thing? what if the player does not want to perform a glory kill, and they accidently do from swiping their mouse

[regal geyser]

Well, a dead demon is one less to fight, but an unwanted animation gets in your way of enjoying the game

[latent fractal]

why would that ever be a design choice? was that implemented for an old doom game or something?

[regal geyser]

No, but we were wondering about the possibilities of the new glory kill system