the-dark-ages

[hard thistle]

same

[reef ocean]

I hope there's a chance to get a edition of this game with a helmet....wish I got the eternal one.

[hard thistle]

is the dark ages out yet

[little widget]

2035

2025

[topaz pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/serj-tankian-system-of-a-down-soad-chop-suey-toxicity-gif-2845011527846163072

wheres that new trailer bethesda..

[prime sentinel]

Are they supposed to be putting one out lol

[topaz pasture]

they showed stuff off screen at quakecon

so they most definetly have the content to

[hard thistle]

It sounds like it's still in pre alpha so they must not feel that it's ready

[prime sentinel]

Yeah I heard that footage was for con attendees only as a special treat

We’ll see stuff closer to the end of the year I’m sure

But usually there is a gap between announcement trailers and gameplay trailers

I want to see more too, but the best thing is to let Id cook

[hard thistle]

"More info coming soon"

Lol

[prime sentinel]

Soon is relative

[hard thistle]

To what

[prime sentinel]

All time

[hard thistle]

Whoa

[placid saffron]

source

[misty beacon]

Source or gtfo

[hard thistle]

Either way I don't care

I'll just enjoy ripping and tearing again

[misty beacon]

so in other words, your just a salty lowlife who makes up shit all day
good to know.

And still refuses to provide any source to backup his claims.

post in in #screenshots then

[hard thistle]

It's not worth any attention tbh

Y'know some weird ppl are definitely going to make up some stuff about popular games just for it

[slender night]

https://tenor.com/view/antman-what-the-hell-happened-here-avengers-gif-18240147

[prime sentinel]

what happened?

I'm going to assume this person leaked an alpha build

😏

[misty beacon]

there is no alpha build

[prime sentinel]

is that actually what they were saying lol

I was just playing

[misty beacon]

no

[prime sentinel]

since we don't have any context

[misty beacon]

they were just talking shit for sake of talking shit without providing any source at all to backup any of theit shit claims

[prime sentinel]

laaame

[misty beacon]

jup

[prime sentinel]

there are so much other cooler things you can make up without a source to talk about

example: doom the dark ages will have a slough of despair remake

[ebon shale]

Or: Doom the dark ages will have gender customization so you can play as female doomslayer

[prime sentinel]

that would be neat

I don't see it happening because at this point they've already planted the doom slayer as a defined character

but I wouldn't mind it, and it would be neat

[lilac snow]

The word "guy" is literally in his name, the DoomGUY

[subtle citrus]

Sorry to spoil the fun but I think they said that they're going to be focusing on the story more here

I don't think we'll see any character customisation in a game with lots of lore implications

[ebon shale]

Yeah thats why I just made that up without a source, like one could read from the context of this chat

[prime sentinel]

Doom guy was coined by fans

His name is not doom guy, even in the new games

[slender night]

His actual first name in any game was Doom

So it was literally Doomguy without the guy

[prime sentinel]

Besides that, if you want to get nitty gritty about the old games they frequently refer to him in the second person

[prime sentinel]

That’s a quake 3 thing

[slender night]

It was kept up until 2010, even 2015 if you wanna count QL's full release; I'd call it a bit recent

[prime sentinel]

Oh I get what you meant now

I’d say the doom marine, in the classic games is a player stand in, they can be whoever you want

Because the identity of the marine is not relevant at all to those games

[slender night]

That's pretty much what he was created as too, and it's also why they may have not wanted to give him a proper name for a while even after Romero left

[prime sentinel]

Now in the modern titles, the doom slayer is a character that has a backstory that is relevant to the story

Which is why I can’t really 100 percent get into the idea that the doom slayer is the original marine, even if that is canonically true

To me the og marine is a stand in, you are the marine

The slayer has a personality and actions the player does not control

[slender night]

I had a concept idea recently for what if Quake III was canon to DOOM and the marine just conquered Arena Eternal there, it'd make for a neat spin-off where he battles hordes of demons from alternate dimensions and it'd technically be DOOM Eternal before Eternal

[prime sentinel]

And history with characters before the player plays as them

Anyway, in the end it doesn’t really matter I suppose lol

I’m completely okay with the new games defining the slayer as a character, but I also think there’s room for other potential protagonists, perhaps with gender customization options

I don’t think the doom marine always has to be a man necessarily, after all, the UAC is an equal opportunity employer

[silver oriole]

Yeah let toasters have a chance to shine

[subtle citrus]

True but the dark ages takes place in a medieval setting in argent d nur, a very important location in doom lore, that's where the legend of the legendary slayer was born, where he got his powers and was crowned king of the knight sentinels. I just think that there's too much lore here for them to consider. It would make sense for another doom game, but not here

Especially if they continue the story right after doom 64 where the argenta find the slayer wounded from his battles in hell and show him climbing their ranks

It'd be cool yes and plausible but this game in particular seems too lore relevant for anything like that

Character customisation that goes beyond just fancy armour and changes the face, gender and other characteristics that make up the identity of the character could fit better in a game that's more like 2016 or the original games, eternal and the dark ages focus too much on the story for them to be able to do that

If they end up making another game that focuses less on the story but mostly the slayer himself it would most likely be a good idea to add that type of customisation but here I'd just be out of place

[hard thistle]

Will combat shotty be leaver actiob

[fast sage]

What are your guys's favorite demon designs is DA?

[pulsar ocean]

I’m ngl I haven’t watched the trailer yet

[devout cove]

AGGADON HUNTER!!!

[scenic lichen]

revenant

it looks so gothic i dig it

[little widget]

Haven’t seen much for the demons but uh

Probably revenant

[fast sage]

I like caco. Reminds me a lot of 2016's cacodemon with that soulless eye.

[prime sentinel]

Right, I agree with that because these games are so story driven, at least more than the classic games they can’t really do that. I said that in the other parts of the message.

[high bone]

Anyone want to play

[sterile hamlet]

One that no one has seen yet

[worldly prism]

I can't wait for doom the dark ages to come out, I'm so getting that game for my ps5.

[fathom yacht]

[prime sentinel]

🧀

[fast sage]

You're hyping me up and I can't tell wether or not I love it or hate that I'm unable to see it yet.

[prime sentinel]

I hope we see a medieval whiplash, that would be dope

[fast sage]

OOH! Ye but whiplashes in DE are kinda nuisances. However, design is peak.

[prime sentinel]

I think they’re a good demon in terms of being a chess piece

[fast sage]

I feel like we might have some 2016 or 64 demons returning considering it takes place between the two.

[prime sentinel]

Hmmm I don’t recall any demons in either that aren’t in eternal

Besides the nightmare imp

But that doesn’t really count as a new demon

Eternal has every demon that’s appeared in doom

[fast sage]

I'd love to see the summoner and pain elemental.

[prime sentinel]

Actually there are some doom 3 monsters not in eternal

Now that I think about it

Summoner isn’t in doom eternal either, well they kinda are as the spirits

But the summoner always felt like an archvile replacement

[fast sage]

Summoner is a weaker archie.

In 2016 it takes 3 direct rocket launcher hits to it to stagger it. While with the Archie, it takes 6 direct hits to fully kill it.

[prime sentinel]

The archvile kind of makes it redundant

So it makes sense they removed the summoner

[fast sage]

I feel like it would make sense to have some form of the summoner considering we have demonic evolution lore and such.

Said version evolving into the summoner.

[prime sentinel]

Idk it doesn’t really make sense to have 2 demons that serve the exact same purpose

[brave spoke]

Summoner feels like such a pain tho it moves so much

[zinc jacinth]

Because The Dark Ages covers the time when the Slayer was with the Sentinels

What other part of the doom lore is there that has potential to be a prequel game?

[light relic]

i wonder if we're gonna have co-op.. like sentinels and slayer fighting together

[hard thistle]

Given that the previous entries DON'T have it... I wouldn't hold my breath

[prime sentinel]

honestly I would prefer co op over deathmatch

[hard thistle]

I can only hope it'll feature master levels, and hopefully more than eternal!

[ebon shale]

Id rather want them to focus on campaign expansions if we are getting any

[slender night]

2016 has co-op

Just not co-op of the actual campaign

[hard thistle]

Fuck I almost forgot about that

Snapmap was such a weird and obscure mode

[prime sentinel]

we probably will

but it'd be nice to get both

master levels doesn't take resources away from dlc I think, they're a lot easier and faster to make for the developers

[spice finch]

What are you guys’ hopes for Dark Ages? I’m really hoping they add traditional deathmatch again. Eternal’s battle mode is great and extremely unique, but classic slayer vs slayer action is still fun.

[prime sentinel]

a proper co op mode

[placid saffron]

i hope the mecha/dragon sections don't feel forced in detractions of the actual gameplay i want (the FPS)

i also hope they'll kind of have eternal's general idea of "having to earn the fantasy" instead of 2016 which waas really easy

[prime sentinel]

the first 3 levels of 2016 are hard lol

[placid saffron]

which is also the buildup to the endgame which is more important imo

[sonic turret]

I hope they still give us the feeling of the Slayer being OP, I mean he's obviously not got as advanced armor as he did in 2016 and Eternal chronologically in their world, but in our world, since this game's coming out after 2016 and Eternal, we'll still expect the Slayer to feel like he's on a cocktail steroids and acid.

[prime sentinel]

looks like he's gonna feel way heavier and meatier

"like controlling a tank"

[sonic turret]

Yeah, I'm not crazy about the idea of having a slower experience, unless it's in another survivor/action horror game, I just hope they can execute it well. I'm junda thinking it'll be mostly like 2016's movement, minus the platforming, and of course without Eternal's dash.

[placid saffron]

"mostly like 2016's movement"
aka literally nothing interesting lol, which is a shame

the arena's in DA so far looked incredibly flat too, i hope they didn't just cut out an entire dimension of movement from the game

[sonic turret]

I mean they say it'll be slower like a tank which makes sense in terms of the lore, since he's got a less developed version of the Praetor Suit back then, however in real time chronology, obviously the fans want to see something that makes the previous game's Slayer look like a kitten compared with a lion.

[wheat sigil]

I completely agree here, I can't understand why people seem to want the mecha fights so bad and why it's even interesting to have everything handed to you

[placid saffron]

you can have the game be more tanklike and still maintain the in depth movement systems

[placid saffron]

those people care more about set pieces then actual gameplay, that's why they want the mecha fight

[sonic turret]

I think it's just interesting to have diverse styles of gameplay in one game, like there's also the dragon, and in the previous two games, there were times when we could play as demons etc.

[prime sentinel]

I doubt its 2016's movement.

[zinc jacinth]

We'll see what they'll do

I just hope they don't keep the ammo as limiting as Eternal
The ammo cap in eternal makes sense, but it felt too strict imo

[prime sentinel]

for a lot of reasons, I mean, look at the gameplay we have so far. its going to be something completely new

[sonic turret]

I mean in terms of speed, since he didn't have the dash function back then.

[placid saffron]

the problem is is that if you have more diverse playstyles, that means you just dilute the quality and focus you can put on any one playstyle

most games with multiple "playstyle" sections have most of the sections feel like shit to play and you prefer just getting the actual game

[prime sentinel]

not everything has to be faux esports

[zinc jacinth]

One way you could make it work is encourage the player to practice and master all the play styles based on given encounters

[prime sentinel]

doom the dark ages is described as cinematic too, so enjoy that 🙂

[placid saffron]

speed is purely relativistic so walking speed kinda doesn't matter

[prime sentinel]

Eternal will always be there for you

[sonic turret]

I mean I'm guessing that this game will be bigger than the previous two, so short sequences of varied gameplay shouldn't hurt the flow too much.

[placid saffron]

or you put in all that effort to make 1 playstyle absolutely perfect*

[sonic turret]

Relativistic to what? I do very little walking while playing Doom, personally.

[placid saffron]

why make 2 mediocre and 1 decent gameplay sections if you can instead have 1 excellent gameplay section

[placid saffron]

the size of the levels and projectile speeds

[zinc jacinth]

imagine if they announce Dark Ages being open world

[placid saffron]

i'd probably get DA on sale somewhere then and be extremely wary about the product

[sonic turret]

I hear you, but I'd hope that with new demons, we'll nonetheless have new challenges.

[prime sentinel]

kinda sounds like you're being negative for no reason

you're assuming these other sections will be mediocre

[sonic turret]

Yeah, there's no point in catastophising, I'm purely optimistic for the release personally.

I have a lot of faith in id.

[placid saffron]

yes because of gaming trends everywhere and just the basic understanding that effort is a resource you can allocate, and by allocating it in other gameplay sections you spent less effort in the main gameplay

[zinc jacinth]

I personally trust id

because Dark Ages feels like it'll be a mix between 2016's action packed power fantasy and Eternal's lore focused approach

[prime sentinel]

maybe their effort is going into the experience as a whole.

and for pacing or variety reasons they believe these sections are necessary

[placid saffron]

eternal also was an action packed power fantasy, a better one then 2016 i'd say

[placid saffron]

if they somehow make them actually decent and not feel like every single other game's disruption of the flow, including eternal with the revenant section, then sure

[sonic turret]

Yeah they seemed to get the formula right in the last two games, and I don't remember them receiving much negative criticism, but then I probably wouldn't have paid much attention to the critics anyway.

[prime sentinel]

I think id is not particularly interested in making the same game twice

[placid saffron]

which even without the sections of different gameplay they wouldn't be doing

[prime sentinel]

well of course

I just don't think its worth calling mediocre just yet :p

[placid saffron]

i mean sure, we could just not theorize at all but then we wouldn't have a discussion either

[prime sentinel]

I'm pretty happy this is pretty much nothing like eternal

that is just about the furthest I think you could go with that style before it becomes very niche

I adore Eternal for the record

it is like a top 10 game ever for me

[placid saffron]

niche isn't bad, infact i'd say it's the opposite: niche makes a game better

[prime sentinel]

AAA games don't tend to be too niche, doom eternal was really pushing it I'd say

[placid saffron]

and it's great to have exceptions

[prime sentinel]

okay, I don't think you understand what I'm saying here

[placid saffron]

the broad mass appeal is exactly what makes so many AAA games just mediocre as hell

[prime sentinel]

what I'm saying is there is a certain point that I really don't see id pushing past, doom eternal is very niche for a AAA game

I am not saying niche is bad

I'm just saying that doom eternal was already an envelope pusher and goes pretty far (too far for some)

into the direction it carves out, like I said, one of my personal favorite games, but I can't see where they can go from there with the same formula

[placid saffron]

alright, too bad for them? A game being niche is only a plusside imo

it's bad if you're a stakeholder who needs giant blockbusters year after year, but honestly MS doesn't even need that any more

[prime sentinel]

well clearly the decision has already been made to revamp the gameplay

[placid saffron]

they have gotten so big that i think producing more niche games is probably an overall boost to their gaming strategy

esp since DA will be on gamepass day 1 so like

[prime sentinel]

I mean, I bet Dark Ages will still have the air tight game design of eternal (most of it anyway)

just a different style

[placid saffron]

well we don't really know, they could 100% have walked away from taht

[prime sentinel]

it was described as streamlined and cinematic, so I'm kind of interested in what that means in this context

[placid saffron]

especially if they now have to potentially have to do quality control on 3 different gameplay sections instead of just 1 really

[wheat sigil]

I'm scared there'll be little depth to the combat, and that it'll appeal to casual players too much

[prime sentinel]

doom eternal will always be here for you

I'm not really worried about that tbh

[sonic turret]

2016 and Eternal weren't the same game, but they still managed to nail the formula for each game individually twice, is what I'm implying.

[prime sentinel]

I think while eternal started as more 2016, it eventually became a different beast

more a juggling act

I think 2016 and eternal are pretty different experiences

[sonic turret]

I think the DA combat will come with its own challenges for the player.

[placid saffron]

yeah or it will have "impractical depth"
where sure you can do a lot, but a lot of those things are just blatantly less effective then other things (the issue with most broad games that try to market themselves as having a variety of game styles)

[prime sentinel]

I don't even remember what pre release doom eternal conversation was like

I remember it mostly being people thinking it was more of the same

[wheat sigil]

Kinda like with Eternal's mods
You can use different mods, but some are just way worse

[prime sentinel]

and people were down with that

but then it came out and it was a bit more than more of the same and I think some people weren't as into that

[placid saffron]

exactly like eternal's mods, i thought about them

[fast sage]

So does the Archie. Both of them are easy to take care of if you know what you're doing.

[placid saffron]

a game can be in rought outlines "more of the same" but still have made improvements on a lot of things

[wheat sigil]

Yea, exactly would've been a better word to use lol

[prime sentinel]

nah I think eternal fundamentally changes what you're doing moment to moment because of the focus on resource management

[brave spoke]

The archie is a larger target and it feels like it stays still longer

[prime sentinel]

eternal is way more than more of the same

[placid saffron]

i'm not saying eternal is more of the same of 2016

[prime sentinel]

ah ok

[placid saffron]

i'm saying that the general ideas for eternal could still be held up whilst improving in ever place and thus making still a radically different game

[sonic turret]

I love the Summoner, I love the swift sleek movement for me to track, I only wish he'd been in Eternal in that form. They could've buffed, possessed, empowered or even spectralised him to add an additional challenge.

[placid saffron]

eternal's resource management for example is extremely simplistic and having more depth there would already change the game

[fast sage]

If you set your priorities straight, it should be easy taking care of him.

[prime sentinel]

if it was more complex I think I would not be able to keep up with the speed

[wheat sigil]

Yes, precisely this

[wheat sigil]

Play on a lower difficulty then so you don't have to engage as much with the game's machnics then

[sonic turret]

Yeah, Archvile doesn't move around as much, he dashes from time to time, but generally stays on one spot with his firewall which you can literally sidestep around and shoot him until he dies.

[prime sentinel]

what? this theoretical game that isn't real?

that we already know isn't happening

[wheat sigil]

I was just adding onto what you said

[sonic turret]

I mean there's no harm in starting on a lower difficulty during your first play through.

[fast sage]

An easy way to kill him is freeze him and use the lock on rocket mod twice on him.

[prime sentinel]

I played both 2016 and Eternal on UV at first

[fast sage]

Or just crucible.

[sonic turret]

I mean he's pretty much an easy opponent, I don't even need the ice grenades.

[placid saffron]

i mean optimally the resource management would be integrated with other mechanics like the weapon mod system, not an entirely detached system

So you would do it at the same time as your other gameplay

[prime sentinel]

what other sort of resource could they have?

so you need to use certain mods to get certain resources?

[placid saffron]

it's an idea yeah

[prime sentinel]

idk how I feel about that lol

[fast sage]

But he can just teleport.

[placid saffron]

though it's not 1 mod only can get 1 resource that would be stupid

[prime sentinel]

I already kinda hate that certain monsters require you to use certain mods

like, in the dlc

the base game is actually VERY good about this generally

[sonic turret]

Nowadays I use the Unmaykr, but prior to that, the chaigun was my main.

[placid saffron]

it's imo atleast conceptually better then the boring 20 second cooldown reload button

[fast sage]

Hmm.

[sonic turret]

He really doesn't do that very often, especially if he's being engaged.

[placid saffron]

but it will be more along the idea that if you use stickies or PB to destroy a weakpoint, you get ammo back

Things like that

[prime sentinel]

the base game never demands you to use certain weapons (no matter what people will say, there is an optimal path but it isn't required)

[fast sage]

He does if you attack him and fail to finish him off.

[sonic turret]

Then don't fail. It only takes a few seconds, just be careful of his kicks.

[wheat sigil]

Yes, in Eternal weak point destruction is pointless, there is so much you can add onto and change to make a new game!

[placid saffron]

it'll still not force you to use certain weapon mods, and hell likely wouldn't be the only way to get ammo either!

[prime sentinel]

that could work but what if you run out of ammo

in eternal they have makyr drones, which are filled with ammo

[wheat sigil]

She didn't say it would be the only way to get ammo

[fast sage]

Mhm.

But I still use freeze bomb because that makes it easier.

[placid saffron]

if you get completely dry there is always the ammo on the floors, and hell maybe have the ammo-chainsaw be a last ditch attack if you're dry

[wheat sigil]

Maykr drones are generally quite boring

[sonic turret]

I'd rather use it on the empowered enemies, to hold them off while I burn the Archvile.

[wheat sigil]

Freezing the archvile is a good decision

Otherwise I would falter him with damage and then a grenade

[fast sage]

They are. But on nightmare they're angels as portrayed.

[prime sentinel]

headshotting a drone is more engaging than pressing C on an imp

[placid saffron]

i mean that is pretty much what i suggested no

[prime sentinel]

yeah

I'm connecting it to something that is in the base game

[placid saffron]

the numbers of the makyr drone would be nerfed though but that is self explanatory

[wheat sigil]

Neither is that good, Eternal barely had any ammo management, which is sad

Maykr drones are boring because they just make you invincible

[prime sentinel]

well, sorry, god gamers I thought it was pretty tough 😭

[fast sage]

But they're still life savers on nightmare and ultra nightmare.

[wheat sigil]

Yes, but does it mean that it's good?

[placid saffron]

eternal only had ammo management for people uninformed fully automatic weapons suck and a tedious animation for everyone else

[fast sage]

It's good when you're close to death.

[prime sentinel]

eh I think on release people did not understand the kind of game eternal was

[wheat sigil]

Having god mode on all the time would be a life saver, but it wouldn't be fun

[prime sentinel]

what does the shotgun start with? like 12 shots?

I don't quite remember

[wheat sigil]

16

16 should've been the max IMO

[prime sentinel]

bet you could find a mod for that

[fast sage]

You're correct. But dying permanently would be WAYYY less fun.

[prime sentinel]

or maybe soon

[sonic turret]

I'm too young to die.

[fast sage]

I'm talking about ultra nightmare.

[placid saffron]

i mean simply lowering the number only does so much

you need engaging mechanics to gain back the resources which eternal solemnly lacks

[fast sage]

and that maykr drones are life savers in that difficulty setting.

[wheat sigil]

Yes, what I hope to do is find a mod that heavily reduces chainsaw animation time and then also one which reduces max ammo count and the amount of ammo you get from chainsawing

[placid saffron]

simply having less ammo just means you sit around with no ammo more or you're chainsawing more

Both of these are kinda unengaging ways to go about it

[wheat sigil]

It would reduce the total time chainsawing but increase emphasis on actual ammo management

[prime sentinel]

yeah kinda makes me think I would just be using the chainsaw more

[wheat sigil]

You don't want it so you have to sit around and wait ofc, just so you have to manage ammo and switch between ammo types

[fast sage]

Ultra nightmare is psychological torture. Making it to Urdak on that setting turns it into ultra dream.

[placid saffron]

which you already do if you're out of ammo anyways

[prime sentinel]

for every second you're out of ammo you should lose 10 health

[placid saffron]

real

[prime sentinel]

enforced ammo management system

[fast sage]

Seems painful.

[prime sentinel]

the idea of being unable to kill demons is physically painful to the slayer

[wheat sigil]

Being out of ammo in Eternal is almost an accomplishement

[fast sage]

We already have the standing still thing in the game.

[prime sentinel]

it would be funny if standing still literally killed you

like, a timer appears on your screen if you let go of the movement keys

[placid saffron]

if you lower the numbers it'll just be a more common thing and you're not actually adding in an interesting ammo system for it in place

[wheat sigil]

It's obviosuly not the best way to go about it, I'm just talking about what I want to do with Eternal's already existing systems

[fast sage]

Until he goes into berserk mode.

[prime sentinel]

I think weakpoints dropping ammo is a good idea! but it makes you wonder what you would do without any ammo, which is probably the scenario in which you need ammo the most. If you only are allowed to use the chainsaw then, its a contextual thing instead of a mechanic you can use regardless, which I think will be weird, I imagine the player asking "why can't I always use the chainsaw?"

and will feel a little sloppy

[placid saffron]

doesn't have to be the only way either

I imagine the player asking "why can't I always use the chainsaw?"
gameplay limitations to make you play a specific way

[fast sage]

This won't be good if someone uses their last bit of ammo to kill the last demon in the arena.

[prime sentinel]

if, every time you hit a weak point you get ammo, then ammo will be plentiful and you're not rewarding ammo conservation but rather, how frequently you can hit shots, and if its anything like it is in eternal already, you will be hitting these shots constantly

[placid saffron]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/890909009526267935/1280243621710532628/image.png?ex=66d75f49&is=66d60dc9&hm=b2267c6fdf96dcf41ca82d855be67d5e7892a3be2abfec189ae51623465fd874&

[prime sentinel]

then the fail state for having no ammo, is having an easier way to get ammo?

[fast sage]

I just put hand sanitizer on a hangnail

[prime sentinel]

they could reimplement a weapon hierarchy, I suppose, and have different actions associated with different ammo types

for example, weak points could get you shotgun shells

chainsaw could get you bullets

...something else could get you plasma ammo

I think that would be a good solution, since bullets would fill your machine gun, which will allow you to get weakpoints

this will inherently make certain weapons more valuable

and thus have to be balanced accordingly

but yeah, that would be neat, idk what the thing that get's you plasma ammo could be

[placid saffron]

small addition would be that the specific action would give you more of the primary weapon type, not only

That way you still get a bit of ammo for the "wrong" actions

[prime sentinel]

sure

but there would have to be a more defined hierarchy where clearly the plasma weapons are more useful than the shotguns, which are more useful than the automatic guns

I mean, already the ballista chews through ammo because its so powerful

though, would doom fans accept an SSG that is not ridiculously powerful?

[fast sage]

hold on…

why are we talking about doom eternal in the dark ages channel? #doom-eternal

[placid saffron]

why not

[fast sage]

Because this is supposed to be a channel where we discuss dark ages and not any other doom game. If we do want to talk about them, we must go to their respective channels.

[prime sentinel]

not much to talk about yet haha

though, this does bring up something I remember being mentioned by a quakecon goer

the idea that basically the melee weapon you use for the new "glory kill" system determines what resources you get?

could be completely wrong but I think I heard that, which is interesting, I assume mixing and matching will be possible

[fast sage]

Correct.

[prime sentinel]

interesting idea, I guess you have to consider what you're out of before you start a combo

and you could optimize your resource gathering like that

[placid saffron]

depends on how the weapons work, if they're all infinite use themselves you just split the chainsaw in four which ehhh

[prime sentinel]

and I think I read also that you can just stop doing a "glory kill" since it isn't an animation

[prime sentinel]

its not invincible from what I read

so its not just an animation, basically you have to actually attack to gather the resource is how I'm thinking it works

and you can leave demons be after hitting them once or twice

it isn't a thing you get locked into I think

(this could alllll be wrong)

so its not a glory kill, but it is the system that is replacing them

so gathering resources has a risk factor, since you can be hurt while doing it

and have to get close to a demon, who, since this game is upping the ai on screen, might be surrounded by hordes

also, the chain lightning punch was mentioned

perhaps this is an ability that allows you to shock a horde so you can more safely move in for resource gathering?

fun to theorize about

really liking this idea

but how do you get chain lighting punches...

[limpid ridge]

Have you guys ever seen Midnight hanging aroundhere at some point

[placid saffron]

too much to really even theorize about honestly

[limpid ridge]

I've bumped into horde mode gaming last month

;3

Fan moment hehe

[prime sentinel]

it makes sense though right, chain lightning being used to stun a horde

[wheat sigil]

i think i saw him once or twice

some people just pop in chat sometimes

[limpid ridge]

He's the best doom content creator hands down

Is the bean sprout here?

Or that pigeon idk

[wheat sigil]

.... no

[wheat sigil]

idk

[limpid ridge]

I agree to disagree

[wheat sigil]

he was banned from here

[limpid ridge]

Really? What for?

[wheat sigil]

hmmmp was also banned like 3 times

[limpid ridge]

The pigeon YouTuber?

[wheat sigil]

don't really remember

[limpid ridge]

Weird

[wheat sigil]

but he said something to someone

[limpid ridge]

I bet

[blazing silo]

nerdy ]

[sonic turret]

Midnight was in here two days ago.

[limpid ridge]

Drat I missed it

[slender night]

Decino:

[limpid ridge]

He doesn't have the same pfp like his YouTube right

He's got his irl pic am I right

[agile osprey]

Yea

[agile osprey]

m1:

[limpid ridge]

Who gets nitro and refuses to use a pfp lol

What's the point then

[wheat sigil]

loll, i appreciate the support🙌

[fast sage]

how do you want dark ages to start out?

this goes for everyone.

[placid saffron]

I hope it accelerates the stuff you get a lot faster then in eternal, first level most fundamental tools should be given out

[fast sage]

I want it to start out a few years after he chose the path of perpetual torment, before he ends up in argent d'nur.

[hard thistle]

So what, right after doom 64 then?

I'd guess the scene where he's launched from the maykr ship is part of the intro. It's the only thing that makes sense to me

[ebon shale]

I think doing a small prologue about the battle of taras nabad would make sense

[fast sage]

I think the beginning should be a small cutscene of him fighting through hell, and then answers the question of what happened to him before he ended up in argent d'nur.

[daring linden]

What else is there to show about the battle of taras nabad?

[elfin karma]

Real

[lime raft]

I hope we get to see more of inside the buildings and castles in sentinel prime and Taras nabad

Like more dungeon areas

[half plaza]

10 minute nothingburger clickbait videos:

[limpid ridge]

Shut up he makes good content >:3

[half plaza]

you like money-farming slop?

bc that's most of his stuff

[hard thistle]

I'm actually looking forward to seeing how sentinels interacted with each other during that time. We saw only a glimpse in eternal and I think it'd be super dope if they expanded on that

[reef zephyr]

WE NEED ULTRA GREATSWORD LADS

[lime raft]

That would be pretty cool too

[lime raft]

I hope we'll get to kill the first titan that arrived at Taras nabad

It would be really cool to see it play out or have it as gameplay

[sage condor]

Yeah….. he said he’d stop, then didn’t, then I stopped watching

[reef zephyr]

YEAH

[reef zephyr]

Who? I'd like to know to find my opinion on this

[sage condor]

Midnight

[reef zephyr]

I like midnight

[sage condor]

I like him as a person and content creator, but his trend of clickbait is just soooo annoying to me

It’s gotten really bad recently

[reef zephyr]

Yeah tbat make sense

[sage condor]

I wish he’d make more varied content

[reef zephyr]

His video titles are SOOO cringey too

[sage condor]

Yeah

[hard thistle]

Especially the ones about creepy Doom wads

"MOST DISTURBING AND SCARIEST AND TRAUMATIZING DOOM MODS EVER"

[hard thistle]

"the most mind boggling doom mod"

Bro literally recycles that shit for the 999th times

[hard thistle]

and its just a map where an npc chases you around that instakills you on contact

[hard thistle]

Most of these wads abuse that, yes

It's so unoriginal

And it gets ineffective real quick

myhouse.wad manages to be creepy and have a lasting impact on the player despite having literally zero jumpscares

[brave spoke]

Hopefully it aint as bad as the icon of sin

That sucked

[lime raft]

I feel like it wouldn't be like that

Like you'd have to climb up it and and shoot/stab/kick/use fail until you can stab it with the crucible

I hope we'll be able to use it more instead of 3 charges

[simple cape]

"THE TRUTH BEHIND (topic goes here)" and it's all wild goose chases based on stuff we already know

[daring linden]

You want the game to give you the crucible only to immediately take it away?

[misty beacon]

Always has been.

[hard thistle]

I mean his content before and a bit after Doom Eternal was released actually had my interest

After that he went full-on milking mode

[prime sentinel]

he's grinding 💯

[lime raft]

Didn't think about that. I'm kind of not smart

[restive matrix]

When do y’all think another gameplay showcase will be shown to the public I know they had behind closed doors gameplay at quakecon but I need more

[prime sentinel]

Could be a while but no one knows for sure

[winter idol]

id say 9 months from now

[prime sentinel]

its set for 2025, probably late 2025

[lime raft]

I'm hoping it would be around the end of this year

[prime sentinel]

da game awards

think about it

[slow nexus]

Second trailer for 31 anniversary or game awards?

[winter idol]

if not then nothing until SGF, 9 months from now

[slow nexus]

Sorry, but what is SGF?

[winter idol]

summer games fest

basically every game show that happened between warhammer skulls to the nintendo direct, inclusing state of play, the SGF main show, PC gamer showcase, and the Xbox showcase

its where dark ages was announced

[slow nexus]

Oooohhh

So, when is SGF?

I know it was this year, so, the next?

[winter idol]

yes, beginning of june

same thing happened from quakecon 2018 to SGF 2019, nothing from eternal was shown in that 10 month span of time

so I assume it will happen again, unless they surprise us with a trailer

[slow nexus]

Ooooh ok

Thx for the information

[last zinc]

Hi chat

[ebon shale]

I do think there is a difference. After all that first eternal trailer was only animated and already dropped 2 years after doom 2016 released. So I think that was more of a "now in production" trailer. They simply did not have any gameplay ready to show for that period. The dark ages development seems much further in development, since they already showed gameplay

[last zinc]

Yeah if they can squeeze out all the time they can they could release it between january-february

of 2025

[ebon shale]

Woah there hold your horses, I think we might get another trailer at that point, doubt the full game releases in the first half of 2025

[last zinc]

Hmmm we'll have to find out

[last zinc]

But persuade me and tell me why you think that?

[ebon shale]

Thats what modern triple a gaming has taught us over the years

[hard thistle]

Eternal only launched in March cause it got delayed. They intended to drop it in November

[prime sentinel]

no way

the marketing would be in full swing by now

if we were 4-5 months out from release, we would know way more about it, more interviews, more gameplay

also: if it were coming out that early in 2025 then they would 100 percent have a concrete date

I'd say its gonna be Q3 or Q4 of 2025

I would be very surprised if it came out in the first half of the year

[upper thorn]

is this game like a prequel or something

[stray plover]

Yes, to 2016

After 64 b4 2016

[upper thorn]

oh, is it like the events you see in eternal?

[stray plover]

Idfk

[upper thorn]

lol

[prime sentinel]

I’m gonna guess it’s a bit after that since the slayer is a super weapon

Or maybe that will be the beginning of the game idk

[last zinc]

Understandable

[upper sierra]

The dark ages are going to be a prequal and a sequel to doom 2016

[neon gust]

What

Prequel yes, but how is it gonna be a sequel

(I haven't read this channel in a while so maybe I missed something)

[grim cloud]

game awards or the january xbox direct. If not then, we will all be sad.

we had 15+ min of gameplay for 2016 and Eternal. Not getting that for TDA would be a travesty

[neon gust]

Guys we will get another trailer don't worry

The game releases in 2025 after all

And the first trailer they showed is numbered

[lime raft]

Any of you guys think the upgrade system is gonna be the same as 2016 and eternal or something completely different?

[hard thistle]

Are you going to elaborate on that or just spew random bs and leave

[hard thistle]

I wouldn't mind if it stayed the same tbh

[grim cloud]

yes new trailer, and a launch trailer too, but i think most of us really want a long gameplay video. it gives us lots to talk about as fans pick apart every little bit.

[surreal arch]

Bring back SnapMap

[hard thistle]

Hopefully more fleshed out and polished this time

[silver oriole]

Lemme snap my map

[hard thistle]

No snapmap that was limited. Official mod tools like ID studio are much better.

[daring linden]

They probably believe that it will explain what happened between doom 2016 and doom eternal

Which would be kinda weird imo

[daring linden]

Seems like it's gonna be between the events of Taras Nabad and the Argenta Civil war

[cerulean cairn]

I'm not gonna like the logo for tda looks strange

The doom logo part looks fine but the bit that says "the dark ages" seems off

[slender night]

It's off-center a bit I think

[prime sentinel]

looks fine to me

[prime sentinel]

just looked at it in photoshop, it is almost perfectly centered, its like 1 or 2 pixels off

[upper thorn]

doom fans when the ui is 1 pixel off

[bold pine]

There is no info on multiplayer available?

[prime sentinel]

not as far as I know

[slender night]

This was never about the UI though

[slender night]

Going off the server banner, it is definitely visibly off-centered to me

[prime sentinel]

it is roughly 26 pixels both ways.

I would send a screenshot if I could

[slender night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1246106122566373407/1280889577120469043/image.png?ex=66d9b8e0&is=66d86760&hm=bf22e181d876d4b725c9f19f6f71a0de1a470ae0003008f7dae24b8283e8b9e4&

That looks off-center to me

[prime sentinel]

ohhh you mean the "the" I was talking about the dark ages part

[slender night]

Yeah, it's a bit off-center to the middle of the DOOM logo

[prime sentinel]

though,

looking at it, the H is off center but the entirety of the "the" is centered

[slender night]

So in the end, it IS off-center

[prime sentinel]

welllll I meannnnnn I suppose its more of a spacing and inconsistent letter size thing

but yeah

[slender night]

Whatever it is, it's faulty in one way or another

[prime sentinel]

its one pixel off from the look of it lol

[slender night]

Still noticeable enough to have been bugging me for a while

[prime sentinel]

this is how you know we need some news when it comes to this game 💀

[hard thistle]

Yeah it would be, maybe that could work for maybe a dlc but in order to do that you have to completely rebuild the players arsenal

[prime sentinel]

I could see a future game taking place between 2016 and eternal

there's a lot of ???? that happens between the two games

when we pick up with the slayer he already has a space castle and got out of hell somehow

perfect spot for a future entry

[dense gazelle]

Remember that Eternal was delayed from November 2019 to March 2020? The later we get a real time gameplay video, the further away will be the release date

[prime sentinel]

you know someone at Id feeding you this info?

[misty beacon]

Look at the industry expert knowing exactly how causation and correlation works

[dense gazelle]

I am from germany dude

[misty beacon]

So am i.

[dense gazelle]

Und was willst du mir jetzt damit sagen?

[misty beacon]

Just because i missed my favorite cartoon, cause i shat my pants as a baby, doesnt mean i always missed my favorite cartoon, everytime i shat my pants.

[dense gazelle]

Macht immer noch keinen Sinn

[misty beacon]

Keep it english only here.

[dense gazelle]

[terse basin]

Flash before my eyes~ now it's time to die~

[terse basin]

Ride The Lightning lol

[fluid mesa]

Ladno

[prime sentinel]

want a better look at the pinky design from dark ages

so far the demons in dark ages look less crab like

[sonic turret]

https://tenor.com/view/very-soon-joshua-weissman-sooner-or-later-shortly-very-near-gif-18004775

[sonic turret]

What cartoon?

@misty beacon did you invert your username?

[rigid beacon]

🫵🤨👍

[past scaffold]

This guy seems great.

[daring linden]

everything could be explained with a single level or codex entry

[lime raft]

I think we should have the option to get women in the game

[hard thistle]

Helltaker Eternal

[stray plover]

OMFG
Doomtaker? Proof?

[hard thistle]

My source is that I made it the fuck up

[timid field]

https://tenor.com/view/armstrong-made-it-up-gif-25653819

[hard thistle]

[stray plover]

Awh

dies

[misty beacon]

The absolute brainrot of some people

Just pulling random shit out their ass

In a nutshell (as a video)

[ebon phoenix]

🟦; What a compelling argument... /s
I am sure that even the tip of a needle would be far too large to try and accommodate all the brain cells that person must have.

[misty beacon]

I dont even know where all those salty people come from recently?
Like, honestly...

[ebon phoenix]

I have yet to play Eternal; started with the very first classic DOOM and moved up to DOOM 2016; currently working on that and having a blast, nothing really bad to say about the games I've played so far probably thanks to my lovely rose-tinted glasses /lh

[misty beacon]

I absolutely love that you started with the first games

[prime sentinel]

You should never expect anything better than this from the steam forums

It is like if you dedicated an entire forum to YouTube commenters

[misty beacon]

[wheat sigil]

I've checked it out a few times, and every single time it's just as brainrotty

[prime sentinel]

Even if it was true, doom 2016 has been out for about 4 more years than eternal so I don’t even see why it would matter

Resident Evil 2 Remake has sold more than Resident Evil 4 Remake and I don’t think 4 was a failure even remotely

Also the idea of “this game was a failure so Id should not even try to make another doom” is really funny

[grand dune]

https://tenor.com/view/seraphim-saber-doom-eternal-doomguy-doom-slayer-id-software-gif-16068195

[steady otter]

[flint oracle]

Where do they get this information from??

[devout cove]

from where the sun never shines

[dense gazelle]

Keep it dtda only here

[timid field]

Did ya do 64 between 2 and 2016?

[ebon phoenix]

Yep! A friend who got me into Doom told me the correct "order" of the games regarding the storyline.

[slender night]

Did you do D3?

[timid field]

D3 is an offshoot
Can be done whenever tbh as I dont think it has impact on main storyline

[hard thistle]

Doom 3's still a mainline game. I'd highly recommend it.

It may not have impact on the "main storyline" but it had significant impact on Doom's development as a franchise. 2016 rips off a lot from it.

Had 3 not existed, 2016 wouldn't either.

[silver oriole]

Seconded
Great game

even if its the bfg edition but that was my only option so

[timid field]

For the development history yes, but we were going based on the lore

I never once said that it was not a mainline game or that it was not a good game

It's a bit of an offshoot lore wise

That's why it can be played whenever in your lineup

[slender night]

BFG isn't bad

[silver oriole]

Im noticing its influence quite a bit in my new playthrough of 2016
Like it has some horror elements but its minor, isolated atmosphere, etc

[ebon phoenix]

I don't plan on skipping Doom 3 at all whatsoever; mainly just playing in order of the general storyline 😁

[timid field]

Which you see as where?

[prime sentinel]

The modern doom games take a lot from doom 3 regarding art style, specifically how the UAC is portrayed

I don’t think it’s relevant to the current doom story line but you never know, doom the dark ages might pull it in

[silver oriole]

They should take influence from doom 3s shotgun that everyone loved

[ebon phoenix]

I would need to look more into the lore before making a proper assessment as to where; I may play it either before or after Doom Eternal 🤔

[slender night]

I like it

[prime sentinel]

The doom 3 shotgun looks cool, at least lol

[timid field]

[prime sentinel]

I’d prefer if they made it more useful but gave you less ammo

[silver oriole]

Bfg edition be like:

[prime sentinel]

In survival horror games, specifically Resident Evil, the shotgun still rocks, so I don’t really see why they made it so inconsistent in doom 3

The shotgun in RE7 and 8 for example, is awesome

[slender night]

Well D3 isn't really survival horror

[prime sentinel]

It at least takes a lot of influence from survival horror

[slender night]

I like it. It makes me use my whole arsenal more, and it's satisfying to kill with

I only had one enemy I couldn't reach with it

[prime sentinel]

It’s not too bad to play whack an imp with lol

And luckily that is what roughly 30 percent of all combat in doom 3 is

The chaingun and plasma gun are the mvps of doom 3

[tribal lagoon]

Doom 3’s lore actually still has quite a few implications seen in DOOM 2016 and DOOM Eternal. I mean the Hell Knights in both games are the ones from 3, the Maledict was a Dark Lord of his era

[silver oriole]

Theres also the peashooter aka machine gun

[tribal lagoon]

Plus the multiverse and that stuff alongside Doom 3’s demons living in regions of Hell we don’t go to in 2016 and Eternal

[slender night]

Does DOOM 3 not deserve the all-caps treatment?

[tribal lagoon]

Wait is it spelled all caps normally?

I guess the old games are as well

[slender night]

Yeah, it is always all-caps

[prime sentinel]

Also doom 3 references a hero similar to the slayer

[timid field]

ya but there is no placement in the lore

That is my point.

[prime sentinel]

In the mars people’s murals and stuff

[timid field]

I have not said it didn't have any impact, it is an offshoot as it is not canonically in the main lore. If anything ya, it's likely a multiversal aspect

Because Hell touches all realms around it

[prime sentinel]

Yeah it’s not currently relevant, but it is worth a play sometime in the future for sure! Play how and when you want tho

[timid field]

Everyone took offense to me saying D3 was an offshoot
In the context I said it is an offshoot lore-wise

[prime sentinel]

I don’t think anyone is offended, I think personally you should play what you want you don’t have to play doom 3

[slender night]

Nobody got offended lel

[timid field]

I mean lore-wise doom can be played by release date

[silver oriole]

Play doom 3

[timid field]

LOL

https://tenor.com/view/jojo-bizzare-adventure-rohan-kishibe-i-refuse-gif-26066583

[prime sentinel]

Aw come on

The spider drones are awesome

They need to bring those back in nu doom

[timid field]

I will play metadoom

It has spider drones

[prime sentinel]

But does it have Steve Blum?

[slender night]

Every id Tech 4 game is amazing

[timid field]

I don't think so

I am more of a classic doom enjoyer

[prime sentinel]

I think doom 3 is the peak personally but they’re all pretty cool

[silver oriole]

Cute little guys

[timid field]

Quake 4 is cool

[prime sentinel]

Classic doom is my favorite game, collectively

[slender night]

Doesn't have to be the best to be amazing

Wolf2 is a fantastic game

[timid field]

Wolf2?

RTCW?

[prime sentinel]

Do you mean wolfenstein 2009?

[timid field]

Oh RTCW is id3

[prime sentinel]

So is call of duty haha

[timid field]

LOL

[slender night]

Sorry guys, forgot to mention. Wolf2 is short for Wolfenstein 2009. It's called this in the game files and by fans

[timid field]

Huh, interesting

[prime sentinel]

Never played 09, it’s unavailable for purchase 😦

[timid field]

I wanna play Wolf 2009 one day

[slender night]

Physical

[timid field]

aftermarket type beat

[prime sentinel]

I ain’t going through that effort, also, no disc drive

[timid field]

disc drive for 20 and wolf09 for 80

[slender night]

I got it for 10

[prime sentinel]

I’m not doing that for a game I know I will think is “alright”

[slender night]

I don't see myself praising RtCW

[timid field]

Really?

[prime sentinel]

Hot take machine!

Personally I think the old blood is the best wolf

It’s like a remake of rtcw but with fun stuff from tno

[slender night]

Bullet spread fucks me over so hard. I got some tips on Reddit but some dickhead told me to shoot better so I got a bit vulgar and nuked my account

[prime sentinel]

💀

[timid field]

Bro took it personally

[slender night]

For context I needed help with bullet spread, not aim

[slender night]

It's a bit shit to respond with something unrelated and word it like it's the most obvious thing ever

[cyan lotus]

Abandonware or something

[timid field]

It's not abandonware, it's IP hell ware

Technically it's still owned by both

[slender night]

I was considering this myself but decided not to for the sake of game collecting. But it's amazing it's an option

[prime sentinel]

Eh too inconvenient

[timid field]

lol

[prime sentinel]

Also activision and Id are both under michaelsoft now so maybe they’ll rerelease it at some point

It’s not a game I’m dying to play

[timid field]

michaelsoft takes forever to get to releasing anything

Esp if it takes legal work

[slender night]

Rumors say they are working on relicensing the SM games

[timid field]

SM?

[slender night]

Spidey

[prime sentinel]

Shouldn’t take legal work, Microsoft owns both parties now

[timid field]

I suppose, but it still takes legal work between subsidiaries I swore

[slender night]

Especially since Q4 is up on Steam

[hard thistle]

Doom 3 is definitely canon and takes place within the Doom lore.

It's just that Doom's canon is a multiverse. Doom 3's UAC is not 2016's UAC, and its Mars is not 2016's Mars.

But 3 still has plenty of info that is relevant to the wider Doom storyline. It features references to the original Doomguy and what he's been up to after 64, it was the game to introduce the Argenta (albeit under a different name), and 2016 borrowed heavily from it when depicting its main antagonist.

Doom 3's Hell is the same Hell as in the other games. It's always the same Hell. Many Earths; one Hell.

[timid field]

in the main lore

[hard thistle]

Define "main lore."

[timid field]

The mainline lore that has been said in 2016 and eternal

And what has been retroactively done to 64

[hard thistle]

By this definition Doom 3 is included. 2016 and Eternal retroactively tied the entire series together into one canon. This includes Doom 3, as it is a mainline title that includes canon references to the Slayer.

[timid field]

I guess

[slender night]

What's the D3 equivalent to Argenta?

[hard thistle]

The Martians.

[slender night]

Oh I thought it was some form of Argent Energy lol

[hard thistle]

The Martians are pretty important to 3's story, they're the catalyst to the UAC's presence on Mars. Everything described about them fits with the Argenta perfectly.

[hard thistle]

In that case it's HydroCon.

[slender night]

Enlighten me about it, if you can

I never read or listened to PDAs

[silver oriole]

Doom 3 Lore 101 with m0no

https://tenor.com/view/teach-me-spongebob-school-gif-8215258

[hard thistle]

From the lore guide:

A video disk notes that [HydroCon] is achieved by “splitting iron oxide molecules” using the Elemental Phase Deconstructor, producing both oxygen and hydrogen cheaply and safely without the need for large amounts of electricity. This was developed in response to Earth’s need for both water and fuel.

TLDR: In Doom 3's universe they ran into the same energy crisis problems 2016 describes. They solved it with HydroCon.

[slender night]

Alright, thanks

[sonic turret]

So it's probably a good idea to go and listen to them. There should be a resource online where you can explore their content. You'll learn a lot about Doom 3's lore.

[lime raft]

Does anybody have an idea on what those floating brain things were

I think they might be a species of cacodemon but idk

[hard thistle]

Those are certainly Cacodemons

[lime raft]

I'd want to see more of them in a 2nd gameplay trailer

[hard thistle]

Wait you're talking about TDA?

[lime raft]

Yeah

[hard thistle]

I'm going insane what else would it be dude

[dense gazelle]

U guys don't own the doom Eternal Artbook?

It's definitely a maykr enemy

[sonic turret]

The Grell/Octobrains? I don't know the correct name but they were in the Doom Eternal concept artwork and were unused in the final cut, but made a comeback in TDA.

I saw some of the concept art in @warm ibex 's YouTube video, I think.

[lime raft]

I think I remember seeing it now

[sonic turret]

Yeah, it looked like it was of Maykr design perhaps.

[lime raft]

[sonic turret]

It's not a Cacodemon though.

[lime raft]

If it is indeed a maykr enemy I wonder what their doing there

[sonic turret]

Hot vacation.

Give the brain a chance to unwind.

[lime raft]

Yeah I'd probably want to take a vacation from urdak too

[rotund totem]

shut up vega

[sonic turret]

Any predictions on the final release date? I'm guessing a summer release, possibly later, but hopefully earlier, though that's less likely.

[prime sentinel]

Yeah my guess is the second half of the year

I feel like if it were earlier than that we’d have a release date by now

[dense gazelle]

Autumn 2025

[hard thistle]

I'm guessing November or December.

[prime sentinel]

Being blindsided by an earlier release date would be awesome but I don’t see it happening

I would be really surprised by any date before June 2025

[warm ibex]

Nah it's a pretty straight forward combination of the modern Caco and Doom 3 version, definitely not a Maykr

[upper thorn]

doom in 2013

[dense gazelle]

Scroll up some

[icy dock]

🤬

[hard thistle]

i wonder if the skull crushing gun has a rhythm like the trailer

[tardy otter]

Any idea how much its gonna cost?

[winter idol]

either 60 or 70 USD

[placid saffron]

and it's also day 1 on microsoft gamepass which costs 18 euro a month

[slender night]

$12 if you wanna do Game Pass PC

[placid saffron]

ah i was just looking at the first number i saw

[slender night]

Pretty sure non-Ultimate console tier is also $12

[misty beacon]

Not if MS increases the price again before it releases

[placid saffron]

dear lord

[warm ibex]

What did you want me to look at?

[dense gazelle]

To read about the Eternal Artbook

[warm ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/848081262722940950/1281662810933297303/image.png?ex=66dc8902&is=66db3782&hm=e0d3f7980670e64e45a8820cd6cda8ae70a269974642e62e7496f585e28c75a2&

I believe this is the image they're referring to

[dense gazelle]

Does not load

Page 66

[inland hedge]

L, error 404

[sonic turret]

But it's the same as this one on the 7 second mark though right? https://youtu.be/zQ7nBWCULvA?si=vZLMv0gfioRBBBhC

[warm ibex]

I definitely see what you mean, but they look very different

It's also worth noting that the Slayer and the Sentinels were on the same side as the Maykrs for a long period of time, so there's a solid chance that we won't be fighting any Maykr enemies in Dark Ages

[sonic turret]

Yeah, placing them side by side, they are different, I thought it was the same.

[warm ibex]

Understandable mistake!

[crystal snow]

Yippee!!!

[dense gazelle]

Good, didn't really enjoy fighting them and also urdak wasn't as cool as the hell maps

[placid folio]

Apparently this game is coming out in 2025

[vernal bear]

do think when it releases it will be a collector edition?

[placid saffron]

likely

[vernal bear]

hell yeah

[dark charm]

🎃

[hard thistle]

𝓕𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓴𝔂 Jonkler

[slow nexus]

But in what month of 2025

[agile osprey]

Late 2025

[prime sentinel]

I would be surprised if it came out before June

I’m gonna guess we’re a year off from release

[winter idol]

im guessing october - november

bethesda has a tendancy to release games around that time

[brave spoke]

Im hoping that for dark ages, they rework the chainsaw and instead give us more enemies like the maykr drones

[dense gazelle]

I doubt there will be a chainsaw with the shield

[hard thistle]

The shield IS the chainsaw. Didn't ya see he fired it up and it spins?

[sudden arch]

Any new updates on the dark ages?

[hard thistle]

No they are working on the game.

[sudden arch]

Ok

They seem pretty far or did they just make that trailer separate from the game

Or did they actually make that mych progress

[hard thistle]

Not sure

I just know its supposed to come out in 2025

[sudden arch]

Ok but did you hear about doom year one

[hard thistle]

Year zero was probably the original title for dark ages

[sudden arch]

Yeah probably but the dark ages is better

[hard thistle]

Absolutely

Much better name.

[hard thistle]

Still in pre alpha apparently

I say its gonna be a awesome kick ass game when it releases.

[tall schooner]

Wonder who’s doing the soundtrack

Or was that already announced

[lime raft]

From the trailer the music sounds really good

Whoever it is they're killing it

[oblique granite]

helllo

[limpid ridge]

Hey Horde Mode Gaming! Just wanted to let you know Im a massive fan and I think you should keep up the good work! Love your content man :3

[warm ibex]

Thank you very much!

[abstract moat]

I love your youtube channel

[warm ibex]

I appreciate that levi

[fast sage]

DAWG IS THIS REAL

[warm ibex]

holy shit it's the dark ages brain orb guy

[hard thistle]

Probably won't be shared for a long long loooong ass time

[tall schooner]

Yeah you’re probably right

Still a shame that the DE soundtrack never got an official release

[tall schooner]

That’s Bethesda for ya.

[hard thistle]

I just wish we could've heard Bethesda's side of the story. When Mick made that big ass post almost 2 years ago they replied by saying they have full and complete documented evidence to supposedly prove him wrong.... that they just haven't shared. Like I get that it's on an as needed basis, but come on dude. People are looking to you for answers and you're just not gonna debunk a single thing? Maybe I'm looking too deep into it but it just rubs me the wrong way.

As if I'm not still gonna preorder dark ages LOL

[vapid terrace]

what do yall think the replacements for each weapon are gonna be?
Here's my hopes:
Chansaw: Shield
Combat Shotgun: IDK
Super Shotgun: Super Shotgun, but make it fire the same rate as doom 2's ssg, so it can sound like "we will rock you" again
Heavy Cannon: Replace it with a sniper that has optional missile-like things
Chaingun: The skull thingy we saw in the teaser
Plasma Rifle: Something Mideval-like i dont have a good one for this
Ballista/Railgun: Ballista, but add siege mode and get rid of arbalest
Rocket Launcher: Rocket launcher, its already perfect
BFG-9000: BFG(reatsword)
Unmaykr: Unmaykr, but make it more useful

[fast sage]

I'M UNSURREEE!!

Hold on.

Yeah seriously.

Idk if this is real.

My uncertainty is larger than my hype for dark ages.

Thats a lie actually.

[tall schooner]

It was such a weak response from them

[cyan lotus]

I mean i guess anything to keep PR clean and tidy I guess, I don’t think anybody could’ve seen it going better than that, like sure it’s a shitty thing to happen, but it’s redundant to talk about at this point, and it actually is really annoying when I see nothing but “pay mick” spammed on doom social media posts like that’s going to do anything, guy who runs the account is probably some minimum wage intern okay I don’t think he can pay mick, people suck at protest plain and simple

[tall schooner]

Yeah saying that on the game's official page aint doing anything

[cyan lotus]

that and reviewbombing the game that one time, like Marty Stratton wasn’t the entire developer team alright, we shouldn’t try to paint an entire company as the villain, they’re not a hivemind, besides, people gave up after a week or so anyways

it feels like people get mad at something, and just want to find a way to express their anger for it, but it was not at all productive in this case, and it accomplished nothing

[tall schooner]

True

Like Mick even said himself not to review bomb, which seems obv

Because lots of people worked hard on the game

[cyan lotus]

and that’s the funniest part, people so eager to jump at bethesdas throat that they didn’t even hear micks story, they just assumed he was in the right from hearing other people say he was and never actually heard his side and are just going on an unguided internet crusade

it’s like that’s why it never accomplished anything because people never knew what they were fighting for they only knew who

I promise you that if it weren’t for the doom music memes and whatever the community likes to regurgitate, people wouldn’t have cared this much at all

when the whole community tries to approach a situation so naively they act kind of zany while doing it, and them appearing so outwardly ignorant kind of makes it easier for Bethesda to just write these people off as looneys and Infact hurts mick gordons cause

[forest bay]

will the dark ages cost 100 dollars ?

i hope not 🫠

[tall schooner]

That sums it up pretty well actually

Just a bunch of bandwagons

No actual thought put into what went down

[cyan lotus]

like it only got that much publicity because who it was, if it was like somebody like “John Anderson, a major contributor towards the enemy Ai design, was not paid for his work” nobody would give a shit

[tall schooner]

I bet you there were more employees that were treated like trash

But it doesn't really get talked about as much

[tall schooner]

Probably

They gotta make that Starfield money back somehow lmao

[hard thistle]

Lol not as long as they keep running game pass

Like it's so blatantly unsustainable it's ridiculous that they're still pushing it, and dark ages is gonna take a huge revenue hit because it'll be a day one title

[prime sentinel]

I don’t think every weapon is going to have a direct analog.

[dense gazelle]

Skullcrusher seems to be more a pistol

[prime sentinel]

I’m imagining it’s a tool that you will use throughout the game

Pretty much all the weapons have to be designed to be one handed since the slayer has to hold the chain shield

So maybe that’s why it looks kinda like a pistol

[dense gazelle]

It's really short

Guess u saw the cardboard version

[prime sentinel]

Have we gotten a similar profile of any of the other weapons?

Because I kinda think the guns are all smaller than usual

Just to fit into how this game is designed

[dense gazelle]

Might be

Last year at a comic con I had several Eternal weapons in both hands

U can't upload pictures here, right?

[prime sentinel]

Yeah but because of the chain shield everything has to be smaller

Since the slayer can’t use a two handed gun and the shield at the same time

No you can’t

[dense gazelle]

But at the merch showcase

I can upload them there if you are interested

Isn't the slayer lore wise strong enough to kill a titan without the mech? And now he can't hold a bigger gun in on hand

[prime sentinel]

It’s probably a matter of not clogging up the screen with massive view models lol

I would assume making the ssg lever action was also done to make it usable in one hand

If we compare the view model size of the skull crusher and the ssg the skull crusher is actually larger

So I don’t think it’s pistol sized

[dense gazelle]

The shape of a pistol instead of a rifle

[misty beacon]

@dense gazelle i got u mate

Posted in the name of Cadaverized:
https://static.doomworld.com/monthly_2024_08/gW11m49rc2NilqRdlQxGWFJRPHmzpVhWHII68sFsCcegCly-ODH5jkWNHvOnSPxpJQiXABDDh8LXlMw_Jt2evm44.jpg.46cd17cdf671eb39af958e7a1db6dba3.jpg

dunno why doomworld isnt whitelisted o.0

Maybe something u could look into @midnight marsh

[dense gazelle]

Can u make this to appear too?

[misty beacon]

oh yeah sure, just be careful, dont wanna get u muted by automod*

Posted in the name of Cadaverized:
https://s20.directupload.net/images/231218/44rm4ssb.jpg

[prime sentinel]

Pretty rad

Yeah looking at it here, I don’t think it’s a pistol so much as a one handed blaster

It’s interesting there are two of them…

[dense gazelle]

Yes

[prime sentinel]

Will this game have akimbo?

[dense gazelle]

Thought this too once

[prime sentinel]

Will we be able to do akimbo ssgs?

[dense gazelle]

But someone said it's for left and right armed people

[prime sentinel]

Ohhhh

Okay yeah that’s logical

[dense gazelle]

That would make no sense

The shield is always left

[prime sentinel]

Yeah because of the chainshield

Same reason there can’t be two handed guns (at least from what we know, which is frankly very little)

They can’t do a doom game without a bfg so I wonder how that will work

[dense gazelle]

Girl who was at quakecon said after talking to Hugo the shield is always there all the time

[prime sentinel]

Good to get confirmation, I assumed that’s how it would be considering it has its own meter

[dense gazelle]

Lavaniel is her name at YouTube

[prime sentinel]

I’ve seen her channel

[dense gazelle]

Maybe you can akimbo when the shield is flying?

[prime sentinel]

Hmmm I feel like that would be kinda weird and complicated

[dense gazelle]

Or cutting into a bigger demon

[prime sentinel]

I think putting a shield into one hand and a gun into the other is a smart design choice, idk if they would muddy it up but who knows

[dense gazelle]

I want to see the slayer using the mace

What's also strange is when he kicks or hits the aggadon hunter in the trailer he isn't really injured from it

[prime sentinel]

Who knows, could just be for show

Speculating is fun but we have so little to go on so far

[dense gazelle]

Sure

[limpid hornet]

I have never been more genuinely exited for a game like the dark ages

[marble violet]

As a fan of the medieval ages, I shall declare doom the dark ages thy best hype in existence of god

[midnight marsh]

The subdomain ain't whitelisted the website itself is.

[misty beacon]

i see

[split reef]

when new gameplay?

[formal nest]

Soon i hope

[storm summit]

December or january

Sadly

[hard thistle]

bro did u put ur specs in your user lol

[grim cloud]

new gameplay either TGA or the next Xbox Direct.

[slim mason]

I hope they add the new demons from legacy of rust

[sonic turret]

I need one of those shields, it'll come in handy during the London protests.

[grim cloud]

so i must debate. Going to make some baron skins (old HK, normal baron, ogre). Do you think i shoujld make the blood glow green or keep it more dark/med green?

[hard thistle]

@grim cloud IMO glow green.

[grim cloud]

okay then

[prime sentinel]

There’s new gameplay?

[prime sentinel]

Doesn’t look like it

If you’re referring to the trailer, I think it’s a bit too early to determine how easy it will be

Especially since the goal of the trailer is more to show off the cool new stuff and the art style than show you what gameplay will actually look like, it’s gussied up kinda like how that original gameplay reveal of 2016 was

[tribal lagoon]

They make gameplay slower and usually play on a console for a more cinematic look at least that’s how they did with Eternal im pretty sure

That old Mars Core gameplay video was on a controller im pretty sure

And the old Super Gore Nest video

[prime sentinel]

I think Hugo plays on controller

[cyan lotus]

I know it’s irrational to expect anything more, as it’s not their obligation, but I do find something a bit humorous about a game director being kinda bad at their own game

[wheat sigil]

Usually the devs aren't good at their games

[cyan lotus]

yes I know, that’s why I said it’d be irrational to expect anything more, but I do think it’s a bit silly

[wheat sigil]

Yea, ive always wondered why devs don't play their own games that much, i mean, they designed them how they wanted, it should be very appealing

[cyan lotus]

I mean i know it’s not his job to be good at the game he’s directing but I do think at a certain point it’s a teensy bit silly when the guy takes 3 hours to get halfway through world spear master level

[wheat sigil]

If he was on keyboard he would've done it on UN in 37 min trust

[cyan lotus]

37 minutes is diabolical, my current WS ML UN best time is 42 minutes

if Hugo was on keyboard he could frame ballista with 100% consistency 😛

[wheat sigil]

It's been so long since i did that level on UN (or at all for that matter) so i think my last playthrough took almost an hour

[cyan lotus]

I need to actually play this game more often

it feels like most of my time is just spent practicing or testing stuff out

[wheat sigil]

Tammie: I have barely played this game
Also Tammie: I got 42 hours on Eternal the past 2 weeks

[wheat sigil]

Ah

[cyan lotus]

I did a campaign speedrun today, so that was cool

[wheat sigil]

I started using the dblade today

And by today i mean at 2 am

[cyan lotus]

interesting

I have no clue what my equivalent of that time is

[wheat sigil]

My 2 am is your 7 pm

[cyan lotus]

that’s crazy

[wheat sigil]

If i would dig a hole straight down i would appear in your house it feels like

But ive noticed that its very common for me to be 7 hours ahead of people

[prime sentinel]

Because by comparison we spend more time playing their games, at least if you’re a dedicated player

Someone who spent 4-8 years working on a game probably isn’t going to be that interested in playing it afterwards cause they know how the sausage is made

Also making a game doesn’t automatically make you good at it, as a mapper, I am nowhere near a competitive level with the speedrunner demos that get submitted for my work

Part of game skill is determined by mechanical ability as well

[unborn tiger]

has there been any new teasers/trailers/news since the first trailer?

anything

[prime sentinel]

Nope

[placid saffron]

if there was it would've been posted in #announcements

[unborn tiger]

fair point

[nova umbra]

i hope this game will feel a bit more like the classics mixed with the moderns

like, modern graphics, classic gameplay

[opaque heron]

My guess is that working hours on the same game every day for weeks makes you disinterested in actually playing your own project for fun

[honest vortex]

Some of 2016 SnapMaps did really good at that

[nova umbra]

well i want to have no jumping, no looking up/down

[honest vortex]

I mean Dark Ages definitely has looking up and down, and it looked like there was some form of jumping into a shield ground pound. So Dark Ages is definitely off the table

[nova umbra]

lol

we need games to pull a Mega Man 10 ahd go back to the absolute original designs and gameplay

[forest bay]

who is gonna make the music now that mick has quit

[jolly plume]

You. Congratulations on your promotion

[shadow narwhal]

How much do you guys reckon the cost of the game will be?

[broken thunder]

60

expansion or something 80

[shadow narwhal]

dangg

[broken thunder]

mhm welcome to modern marketing

[limpid ridge]

Gay doom guy:3

[prime sentinel]

honestly, I'm guessing 70

starfield is 70 bucks

so is BO6

[hard thistle]

It's got that modern AAA shine it'll absolutely cost 70

[dense gazelle]

Has anyone here tested witchfire already?

[gloomy seal]

Probably Andrew Hulshult, he's the one who worked on the music for the TAG DLCs, and the remixed OSTs for the recent Doom 1&2 remasters.

He's pretty much id's go-to guy at this point.

[winter idol]

he already confirmed he is not working on the soundtrack

[gloomy seal]

Oh, that's news to me, I thought I heard he was gonna work on the soundtrack for this game, guess I'm wrong.