the-dark-ages

[gray gorge]

The one you get from the swamps

[soft turret]

Do you guys think the armor we're wearing is the sentinel armor he wore before the wretch gave him the praetor suit? Or do you think this is intended to be a retcon design for the 1.0 version of the praetor suit?

[fair walrus]

are they gonna put the dark age doom slayer in doom eternal?

[sage fog]

Pre Praetor suit, Praetor suit is compatible and is made with human tech

[fair walrus]

as like a skin

[gray gorge]

Taht would be cool but I don't think they will @fair walrus

[soft turret]

I'm leaning towards the former bc of the timeline in the slayer's testaments

[fair walrus]

why not

[sage fog]

This is just the retconned Sentinel Slayer skin imo

[soft turret]

I don't remember it being stated to use human tech

[fair walrus]

i mean it could make sense

[sage fog]

The UI is in english, full of Earth numbers and logos all around, made to almost perfectly fit the UAC

[soft turret]

The praetor suit also very much looks like sentinel design (I know it isn't)

[delicate grotto]

Hard to say. He met the Wretch after being sealed away in Hell iirc, so it’s likely a retcon.

[sage fog]

While his Eternal suit is in Sentinel language for the most part

[soft turret]

The UI could be in English just for convenience sake, and the Earth numbers could come from the time it was under UAC possession and testing.

We also don't see the HUD start up in Eternal bc it happens in a cutscene

[sage fog]

Nah they didn't modify the suit, they did run tests on it, pretty sure the codexes also mention it already having them

[gray gorge]

It could for sure and I would love to do that but I don't think they will. At least not any time soon.

Perhaps once the game comes out or it's closer to release for promo?

[fair walrus]

oh ok cool

[sage fog]

-A "D22" marking on the shoulder, Possibly either referring either to the Doom Marine's soldier code or tag if he was a Marine, or a Model code -for the Praetor Suit.
-The Word CAUTION under the helmet's main exhaust, gauntlets, and backplate.
-1/0 Logistics Manufacture is mentioned on several parts of the armor..
-A production stamp (lower left of helmet)
-A circular Icon with two circles (right arm shoulder pauldron) which could be anything from an early UAC logo, Army squad/force logo, -manufacturer logo, or Night Sentinel / Argent D'Nur iconography.
-8623 could refer to either the amount manufactured until this specific set of armor, or the date of its manufacture (i.e 8th of June 2123)
-55-88.0225 on the left pauldron
-1.022.1 IO top of the forearm on the gauntlets
-522 on the outside of the gauntlets
-A slayer emblem on the chest plate, bottom right side

[gray gorge]

I hope the game comes out earlier portion of 2025 rather than later

[sage fog]

I think it will come out in October of next year ngl lmao

[soft turret]

Hm

So it's up in the air? The codex entry for the suit doesn't state it being of human origin

And aesthetically it still resembles sentinel technology

[sage fog]

It's looks very Earth like if you compare it to the other 3 suits designs in the game

(the 2 UAC guards and the Sentinel armor, it fits in just fine with the UAC guards)

Of course, back then this was probably just a retconned classic Marine suit, before they decided to make everything about the Sentinels like in Eternal.

[fallen juniper]

[soft turret]

Especially the iconic red dot that can be found in the chest plate of every armor he has with the sole exception of the one he was found in sentinel prime with, this includes the training armor they gave him

[soft turret]

I feel like this is what was intended in 2016

[knotty hinge]

I love red dot on the chest plate found on the praetor suit

[soft turret]

But now the Praetor suit resembles Sentinel tech too much to be human

And there's no way they copied it from the suit bc their armor always looked like that

[sage fog]

Dark Ages looks very promising but, damn, I miss when the Sentinels were implied to just be a small part of Slayer's journey like back in 2016, instead of being his ENTIRE journey

[soft turret]

I feel like the modern explanation for this would be that the UAC reverse-engineered marine armor from the Praetor suit

Which is why everything works with the praetor suit, they copied it.

[sage fog]

nah, we saw the same suits used in the expeditions used to find it

[soft turret]

Could have been older versions

It's kinda clear Hugo was freestyling it in between 2016 and Eternal

Like, you can't tell me the armor he wears in TDA just happens to look like the praetor suit despite coming before it

[sage fog]

he wasn't the director or writer of 2016

[soft turret]

lol

[soft turret]

Oh. Didn't know, my bad.

[sage fog]

Marty directed 2016 while 3 people wrote it
Hugo wrote and directed Eternal

And not wanting to be mean towards him, the decrease in quality in the writing is noticeable 😬

[soft turret]

I was about to say that

[placid mist]

Hugo brought in LSD for the writers

[sage fog]

them saying Dark Ages is more grounded brings me hope

2016 had the perfect balance of gameplay, music and lore, Eternal is just gameplay

[soft turret]

I am hyped, I like when series bring variety to the gameplay.

[tribal lagoon]

That bone gun thing looks especially cool

[soft turret]

The "monster truck" gameplay showed in the trailer looks awesome

Slower and heavy

[tribal lagoon]

I like the new SSG design too, looks like it packs more of a punch yknow?

bulkier

[soft turret]

I swear I saw the new SSG design somewhere else, but I can't quite put my finger on it

[sage fog]

it's the Eternal one without the hook lol

[tribal lagoon]

i think it takes some elements from i think the old Eternal SSG with the little hammer thingys on the back

[sage fog]

Pretty sure we'll unlock the hook for it in this game

[tribal lagoon]

Maybe though im gonna guess this game will have a less emphasis on flying around combat sections at mach speed, remember monster truck vs sports car

[feral vault]

You can still have the meathook

[soft turret]

I feel like the first person view of it looks a little bit, idk, chubbier?

[feral vault]

Make it pull you through the ground with it

[sage fog]

lower FOV probs

[feral vault]

And make so you can't fly with it as much

[tribal lagoon]

huh?

[feral vault]

Like, you don't need to go up flying with it

[tribal lagoon]

like a drill?

[feral vault]

No lol, just in the ground

It could be cool but I don't think we need it

[tribal lagoon]

i mean the shield already gives us a dash thing and i feel like grappling hook that doesnt send you into the air would be a little unsatisfying lol

like imagine if that was the case in Titanfall 2 or Spider-Man

[feral vault]

Yeah that's what I was thinking

There is already the shield dash to get personal with the enemies

But I mean I wouldn't complain if we get the meathook anyway

[delicate grotto]

I highly doubt there’s going to be a Meathook in TDA given everything the Devs have said so far.

[tribal lagoon]

and that stuns and can do all kinds of cool stuff (that shield looks so cool)

im excited to see new demon designs for returning enemies and completley new ones altogether

[soft turret]

Yeah the ssg looks pretry different from the eteral one i feel

[feral vault]

Chainshield is sick

Chainshield os shieldsaw ?

[soft turret]

I have a screencap but no image perms

[delicate grotto]

Shieldsaw pretty sure, lol

[soft turret]

Shieldsaw sounds cooler

[feral vault]

Yeah it makes more sense lol

[swift solstice]

why the revenant look like the grim reaper

[soft turret]

It also makes more sense yeah

[swift solstice]

das cool

[tribal lagoon]

hopefully this prequel also introduces things that could become plot elements for a proper Eternal sequel

[feral vault]

Cause it's sick

[soft turret]

I feel like there's no where to really go after Eternal

Davoth is dead (and the higher God shouldnt rlly matter), Samur probably perished to his illness

[wide night]

Could go the eldritch horror route

[winter idol]

they kinda already wrote the end of the doom era after eternal, prequel makes sense but nothing after that

[tribal lagoon]

I mean theres Samur, but unless they retcon a bunch of stuff from TAG yeah idk how there supposed to go on

[delicate grotto]

There’s still the Mysterious Voice, Samur and Vega/The Father. Not sure what they could use there to make an excuse for more Doom though.

[tribal lagoon]

i could definently see Doom not continuing after The Dark Ages yeah

[soft turret]

Samur was heavily ill and the only cure was the Father reincarnating, and the Father is nothing but a voice in Urdak now.

[winter idol]

i was certain that doom ended after eternal yet here we are

[soft turret]

Well, it did. We went back in time, not forward

[tribal lagoon]

Samur also definitely has a score to settle with Doomguy.

[soft turret]

When I mentioned Samur being ill I meant that he probably perished

[tribal lagoon]

Maybe we'll also get to see who the Wretch is supposed to be in this game

[tribal lagoon]

i mean if he was fated to die idk why VEGA would bother saving him

[hard thistle]

Besides, it would be better to remain as a trilogy

[winter idol]

they probably wrote the end of doom so that after they finish telling the story, no more games could be made

[primal storm]

i find it funny how the game trailer came out yesterday and some people already make theories about the game ending

[delicate grotto]

There’s really no where to continue the story after Eternal, unless something else powerful enough to open portals between dimensions shows up. I wouldn’t want that though. Best to have this Modern Doom Era end as a trilogy imo.

[soft turret]

Yeah. Some "higher God than Davoth" is uncharted territory, and wouldn't rlly work in an FPS game imo.

[tribal lagoon]

until another 12 years go by and the series is rebooted again lmao

[hard thistle]

Yes, I know the clasics are canon too, but y'all know what I mean right?

[winter idol]

they never did explain the wraiths in world spear so who knows

[primal storm]

i mean we are basically getting a backstory of the slayer

[soft turret]

Yeah we do

[delicate grotto]

Well yes, but I meant moving forwards from Eternal. Upcoming game is a prequel.

[tribal lagoon]

Quake reboot idk

[soft turret]

I just chuck their existence to Davoth or the God who created Davoth and that's about it

[tribal lagoon]

That new Quake 2 expansion fs could set something interesting for either a Quake 1 reboot or a Quake 4 sequel

[delicate grotto]

I’d love more Doom after TDA, but I’d like there to be a good reason for it. Plus, I’d rather iD explore their other ips.

[hard thistle]

Will Doom dark ages take any religious elements?

[primal storm]

hm.. i dont really see how the lore would keep on continuing from the doom eternal ending (the dlc part 2)

[delicate grotto]

Exactly, it’s pretty much over

[hard thistle]

For sure, after Dark ages comes out, Quake deserves some love (again)

[primal storm]

unless doom slayer becomes mortal again and idk it turns into some wolfeinstein type game

[winter idol]

either quake or maybe a new ip

either way, let id software do whatever the hell they want, microsoft

[hard thistle]

Has to be Quake, been long since the last one.

[primal storm]

doom eternal with 103GB

[soft turret]

Microsoft better not fuck up anything about Dark Ages

I already lost Halo, I cannot lose Doom.

[winter idol]

i doubt they will

[sage fog]

Eh it's implied the humanity we see in 2016 and Eternal are part of a loop

[winter idol]

microsoft didnt fuck up halo, that was 343 being incompetent

[soft turret]

I know

[winter idol]

first time im hearing of it

[primal storm]

i dont think that will hapen, i mean we get a chainsaw shield

[sage fog]

He looped around to a different Earth than the one from his origin, likely that a sequel to Eternal will have him in another new Earth

[hard thistle]

What is the older counterpart to the dark ages anyway?

[soft turret]

Huh? Elaborate?

[hard thistle]

By the way guys, do you think that floating jellyfish is a cacodemon or an arachnorb-like new demon?

[winter idol]

microsoft seem to let developers do whatever, unless they dont sell 50000000000000000000000000 copies of their games even after microsoft fails to market them

[sage fog]

Slayer is from Earth, but not the Earth from 2016 and Eternal, he comes from an Earth that is likely already gone, as he has been away from it for eons

[soft turret]

There's none. There was no Night Sentinels 30 years ago.

[delicate grotto]

If TDA does exceptionally well, they’ll probably force id to make another, lol. Curious how it’ll perform though, since it’s coming out on Gamepass day 1.

[soft turret]

That's not a time loop, that's a multiverse. It is confirmed that there is a multiverse in Doom.

Doom 3 is one of those alternate universes.

[hard thistle]

Ohhhhhh that explains the multiverse thing in the lore!

[hard thistle]

I mean, if being the boss, would ask them to make a Quake reboot then.

[sage fog]

It's a loop, but not a time travel one, a multiversal one

[soft turret]

Oh, I get what you mean

You're implying that Hell is meant to invade every Earth regardless of Universe?

[sage fog]

You can even fit Doom 3 into the Loop, with that Earth being invaded after Slayer was sealed, so Hell is weakned and is never able to invade it

[soft turret]

Well, the loop is over. Demons can't leave Hell because Davoth is dead now.

[sage fog]

Same hell, different Earths, whether the Universe ends and begins again or they are parallel Earths coexisting in different dimensions, we don't know

[primal storm]

doesnt the slayer become a mortal because of davoth's death? like doom slayer loosing his powers

[soft turret]

I know. Hell and Urdak are constants in the multiverse

[delicate grotto]

Unless Davoth somehow miraculously lives on, lol.

[hard thistle]

Is there also a lore reason why demons look different between games? Do they evolve like an average organism? Or is it like a car or a breed?

[soft turret]

Probably, his power did indeed come from Davoth.

[sage fog]

I mean, Hell doesn't need to rise again, just a new civilization to repeat the mistakes that 3 different Earths already did

[delicate grotto]

Evolution and different breeds of the same species existing within Hell.

[sage fog]

Be greedy and fuck with portal tech around Mars and it's moons

[soft turret]

Different species and regions of Hell, Hell is infinitr and all-encompassing so many different types evolve within it.

[primal storm]

would be crazy tho, seeing doom slayer becoming the same character from 1993

its like a loop kinda

[sage fog]

God I hate Eternal's lore 😭

[delicate grotto]

I liked it until TAG 2, tbh. Then it got too convoluted, moreso than before.

[winter idol]

tag 2 lore is trash

should have kept going with tag 1

[sage fog]

"erm, you aren't a mortal that rose to the level of a god, you are actually a mortal version of god and all your abilities come from us injecting soul juice in you!! none of your achievements are your own!!"

[winter idol]

i would be 1000% ok if they just retconned tag 2s stupid twist

[soft turret]

I don't remember the conditions of Davoth's death exactly, but wouldn't they just disintegrate after they dare step out of Hell through the man-made portal?

[sage fog]

Hell can choose a new leader

[sage fog]

Erase all of Eternal's lore tbh

[soft turret]

Yes, but Hell was Davoth. It is a husk of its former self without the being who made it.

[sage fog]

Let's go back to 2016 and Quake Champions lore

[delicate grotto]

Nah, some of it is pretty cool

[winter idol]

I think the base campaign is fine, its inoffencive

[soft turret]

It's basically now just a locked away pit where dumb beasts run around

[hard thistle]

Someone just said that Doom 3 is part of that multiverse, so that means cacodemons somehow got a second eye...

[sage fog]

ehh, the whole fake heaven stuff ruins the implication of literal angels blessing slayer mid war to fight hell

[primal storm]

or maybe sentinels rescue him and the slayer just starts killing angels

[delicate grotto]

There’s still some order. The Art of Doom 2016 book mentions Hierarchy Demons of some kind. We see one of these demons in Eternal, Kalibas.

Would be interesting to face off against them.

[winter idol]

kalibas was already in eternal

and i cant read

[sage fog]

I'm not trynna sound like some religious person angry that they made heaven evil, but the 2016 lore implied Slayer impressed the heavens to the point they made him their champions to protect all of creation from Hell, which is way, way cooler than "oh yeah, Heaven isn't real, we are just robots that like sucking souls or something"

[soft turret]

Well, maybe these cacodemons benefitted from 2 eyes more in the region they lived in

[sage fog]

it also makes the lore seems way less magical

becomes too sci-fi

[soft turret]

We don't know how Urdak interacts with Mortals, really.

[winter idol]

well lets see how it works in dark ages, hugo said it would be more cinematic so who knows

[hard thistle]

I just noticed they've actually 6

[sage fog]

We do, they pretend to be gods and then harvest the lifes of their strong warriors to sustain themselves

[soft turret]

The Maykrs were actually pretty righteous, they became corrupted after the Father became a life sphere.

[sage fog]

they were evil before that, just didn't work with hell

and they are still soul sucking robots, which is way lamer than a literal heaven existing and having blessed the slayer

[soft turret]

Without the father, they couldn't naturally stop the illness that affected them (forgot the name), so they resorted to different methods

Which eventually led them to Hell

[winter idol]

transfiguration?

[sage fog]

They basically retconned 90% of all fantasy aspects out of Doom in Eternal

[soft turret]

Yeah

[delicate grotto]

Idk, I thought the Maykrs were pretty interesting. But I can understand where you’re coming from.

[sage fog]

Interesting idea, just not for Doom

[soft turret]

The Father was basically the pillar of Maykr society, without him, order fell apart.

Which makes him asking Samur to put him away look so stupid

[sage fog]

Doom is meant to be a blend of fantasy and sci-fi, you are a soldier fighting against Literal Biblical hell

In Eternal, you are fighting robots pretending to be Heaven that are leading their former masters that vaguelly look like demons because they both like sucking life energy, there is no afterlife and completely erases all biblical hell references

[winter idol]

doom has always had scifi elements what u talkin about

[sage fog]

Yeah, that's what I said?

[soft turret]

DOOM's hell is everything but biblical

[winter idol]

its very not biblical

[soft turret]

Physical demons aren't a thing lol

[winter idol]

im perfectly fine with the maykrs existing

i just hate what they did in tag 1 and 2 and wish it didnt exist

going to urdak in eternal for the first time is pretty magical honestly

[sage fog]

Icon of Sin was Baphomet, a demon from Hell in DOOM II

[winter idol]

yea well obviously they changed things

[sage fog]

I'm not saying it's 1:1, I'm saying it referenced it alot, and these references are now gone

[winter idol]

im totally fine with biblical refrences being gone, its not like they add anything

[sage fog]

They made shit cooler

And again, that's not my entire point

The old dooms were a normally sci-fi setting being invaded by creatures normally seem in fantasy setting, it was a mix of both, Eternal is too sci-fi

Eternal retcons the fact that Hell is a afterlife too lol

[winter idol]

judging from the dark ages trailer, those sci fy elements are here to stay

[sage fog]

It's no longer an after life, you have to be taken there manually

[soft turret]

TAG 1 followed the generic fallen Angel formula pretty perfectly

[sage fog]

Which imo isn't a good thing

[winter idol]

i dont like what they did with samuel

the rest was fine

[winter idol]

idk man, i like it and other people do too, all comes down to ur opinion

[sage fog]

Samuel being retconned into being a Maykr was complete character assassination

[winter idol]

yea i actually hated that

him being just a normal guy in a robot body was far cooler

[tribal lagoon]

he became less cool when they made him the Seraphim

he was cool in 2016

[delicate grotto]

I agree. I really didn’t like that Vega was The Father too lol

[sage fog]

He is a parody of himself in Eternal, then what was left of his character is completely butchered

[soft turret]

I actually kinda preferred TAG's lore a little more

TAG 1's*

TAG 2's plot twist is just odd

[sage fog]

Eternal's lore is a mess

You can tell the direction of the story changed completely from main game, to TAG1 to TAG2

[winter idol]

i just hope the dark ages is more consistent

[sage fog]

Even ignoring the thematic changes I dislike, the story itself makes no sense

[soft turret]

Main game to TAG 1 seems pretty consistent, the main game didn't reveal much that TAG 1 changed

[quasi cedar]

I can’t wait to fly a dragon and shoot a head at someone

[sage fog]

So Sam was protecting Father by disguising him as Vega, but then left him to die in 2016?? Then he cares about him in TAG????

It's like they were gonna make Sam be actual Satan in the making but gave up halfway

[winter idol]

yea makes no sense, that was one of my issues back in 2020

[sage fog]

Which by itself would be a way cooler ending to the story

[soft turret]

Samuel was probably Satan at some point

[sage fog]

Samuel Hayden (Satan) betrays God, takes his power, is banished to hell which is now leaderless and becomes it's leader

[soft turret]

Samuel Hayden - Sayden

[sage fog]

Instead, Samuel Hayden helps hide god, sucks at his job and is then written out of existence

[sage fog]

this would have been the perfect way to end both TAG's

but nope, we got changing storylines, tones and retcons to result in a second "actually this guy is GOD!" twist within a single game

[frigid nova]

so guys
if the old doom was in the same universe as the new doom how does that work

cuz in doom 2 earth is destroyed

[soft turret]

Different universe

[sage fog]

not the same universe, same protagonist, same hell, different Earth

[winter idol]

its best not to think about continuity

[soft turret]

Different universe, one hell

[frigid nova]

oh god

[frigid nova]

for reals

[soft turret]

Yes, Doom has had a multiverse since Eternal

[winter idol]

i have a feeling some of the things from eternal will be retconned in the dark ages, similar to what happened with 2016

[sage fog]

Either Doom guy had been in hell so long that our solar system restarted itself or it's a different parallel earth

[frigid nova]

thanks for letting me know dud

[sage fog]

hopefully for the better, cuz everything retconned about 2016 was for the worse

[soft turret]

Parallel Earth, there's cut Khan Maykr lines that just downright say it lol

[quiet geyser]

will dashing still be a thing?

[honest vortex]

No

[quiet geyser]

damn

[sage fog]

Yeah but cut content doesn't have much of a say in a game whose storyline's direction was obviously never set lmao

[honest vortex]

Well yes kinda. There's the shield dash

Just not the Eternal dash

[quiet geyser]

I'm gonna watch the trailer soon

[soft turret]

But the multiverse does exist, it's one of the few things that isn't contradicted

[quiet geyser]

what about slayer skins from eternal?

[sage fog]

I hate to say this cuz I sound like a fun hating downer, but eternal's development was a huge mess from the sounds of it

[winter idol]

im so fucking glad the dash is gone from eternal

[honest vortex]

Idk if Dark Ages even has skins that wasn't revealed

[sage fog]

nono I know, Hell being a nexus to every world with life was stated in 2016

[honest vortex]

It did make things a bit too easy to dodge at times, but there were cool things you can do as well

[winter idol]

later levels just became dash spam and its not fun

[abstract bloom]

well there is the ram mechanic with the shield

[sage fog]

Dash was alright, but I wish it worked more like a dodge than just movement

Parrying and proper melee combat is in Dark Ages tho

[winter idol]

problem is every demon has attacks you need to dash out of the way of so it just becomes a spam to dash out of every single attack

[sage fog]

Yeah Eternal's enemy design ain't that great

[soft turret]

I think the enemy design is good

[winter idol]

the shield ram attack probably is on a longer cooldown and is used for fodder and to falter large demons, alot more interactive

[terse basin]

We got a new game coming out

Ima be slaying harder this time

[soft turret]

You can falter fodder with dash tho

[winter idol]

yea but whats the point in doing that?

[sage fog]

Marauder was a cool idea, but poorly done, and the game punishes you for trying to take him out in creative ways

[terse basin]

Where’s Samuel Hayden

[winter idol]

marauder is probably the worst enemy in eternal

[sage fog]

Written out of existence after the writers fully murdered his character

[tribal lagoon]

we didnt see a dash without the shield though in the trailer i dont think

[sage fog]

I dislike the Whiplashes more, and the Summoner souls

[terse basin]

NOOOOOOOOO (you can’t just shoot a hole in mars)

[soft turret]

There's no reason for dash to kill bc ur moving around all the time, ram in tda makes sense bc it is a slower shooter lol

[winter idol]

you just quick swap twice every time and thats it, theres no multiple ways to go about the marauder

[wispy wagon]

Really looking forward to the new game, though 2025 feels far away heh

[soft turret]

One cycles are a thing

U can just spam him from over yonder with splash damage

[hard thistle]

To me it looks like it gets charged with parries

[sage fog]

there used to be combo with grenades and forcing him to face his back with other projectiles, but I think they patched those out

[winter idol]

yea if you spam grenades, but its still annoying

[soft turret]

The marauder works for eternal I think

[terse basin]

Put the 💀 emoji if u like “The Blood Swamps” from the ancient gods part one while doing the “Trail of Maligog”

[soft turret]

Eternal was made with quickswapping as the most viable gameplay style in mind

[winter idol]

i hate quickswapping so much

it gets old fast

[soft turret]

I love it

[winter idol]

i just play like in 2016 with keeping weapons out longer

[soft turret]

Though I don't mind this new doom not having kt

[terse basin]

Quick swapping is op for Ballista and Super Shotgun combo

[winter idol]

i get more enjoyment

[terse basin]

I dealt with the 2 marauders at once in the Taras nabad master lvl at the end

[soft turret]

Doom 2016 was meant for quickswapping too (as per hugo's words) bt he says they didnt do enough to enforce it

[terse basin]

Wait doesn’t the doom slayer basically die after he killed the dark lord how does he come back in the new game

[soft turret]

All the way back in 2020

[soft turret]

This is a prequel

[sage fog]

I liked it in 2016, 2016 allowed free style gameplay, Eternal forces you to do it and basically just use SSG n Ballista (so much for inspiring more weapon variety lol)

[terse basin]

Wait before that happened?

[soft turret]

Before 2016

[sage fog]

ah 2020, I remember beating UN by abusing exploits

[delicate grotto]

Before D2016, After D64

[terse basin]

Ohhhh

[soft turret]

Decino doesn't quickswap

[winter idol]

dark ages seems to be almost completely replacing all the weapons besides the ssg so they wont be locked into some weapons being useless compared to others

[terse basin]

So no praetor suit in the new game?

[winter idol]

weapons being more for the situation you are in

[maiden nova]

Nailgun too, nice quake nod

[sage fog]

Well yeah, by force I don't mean literally force, Decino plays in the more classic doom style

[winter idol]

skullshredder is closer to the nailgun than the railspike gun thing since it shoots so slow

[soft turret]

Nope. But Sentinel tech resembles the Praetor suit anyways so we will be wearing something similar.

[sage fog]

railspike is more of our sniper

[soft turret]

Railspike is supposed to be a medieval crossbow

[winter idol]

im so glad they are completely redoing all the weapons

shame its in a prequel but ill take what i can get man

[maiden nova]

Just hope the horde ai is as aggressive as eternal's demons

[terse basin]

YAY

[soft turret]

First time we will get anything filling the role of a sniper (ik the heavy cannon had a sniper scope, but I mean a weapon that IS a sniper)

[terse basin]

Why is the Icon Of Sin so hard on

[soft turret]

I fuck with a crossbow in doom tho, nailing enemies to a wall is cool

[terse basin]

[soft turret]

Half-Life 2 style

[maiden nova]

FEAR had a good one

[jade python]

i hope the glory kills iin this game are more brutal than eternal

[maiden nova]

That flail has promise

[soft turret]

They're probably gone

[winter idol]

they really didnt show any glorykills in the trailer

[soft turret]

Replaced by a proper melee system that will also give u health in return

[winter idol]

so who knows

[terse basin]

What about the new game has more brutal than doom 2016

[soft turret]

Hugo dodged the "will glorykills return" question like the plague last night, I feel like they have been replaced by proper melee

[winter idol]

i would be perfectly fine with that

[jade python]

i have hopes that they will add glory kills

[sage fog]

Plasma gun seems to be the same still

[grim cloud]

there is a lot of melee in the game. You can see kicks too

[mortal oyster]

hugo told there are way more

[mortal oyster]

it is not the plasma gun, it is the accelerator and it replaces the assault riffle instead

[winter idol]

its called the accelerator and it seems to have a higher projectile speed

[jade python]

[terse basin]

What is your favourite song in doom eternal

[sage fog]

so it's the Doom 3 Plasma Gun

[jade python]

all

[mortal oyster]

cultist base

[maiden nova]

Nyet! Rifle is fine!

[terse basin]

Mine has to be “The Blood Swamps”

[soft turret]

We don't know when exactly the Dark ages happens. The Wretch granted the Slayer wih the Praetor suit after the fall of Argent D' Nur, and Sentinel armor DOES resemble the Praetor suit (just look at the chest plate)

[terse basin]

In the ancient gods part 1

[jade python]

bfg 10k song is peak too

[terse basin]

The one made by Andrew Baena “BFG 10k”?

[jade python]

probably

[maiden nova]

Mars core?

[terse basin]

Yeah

[soft turret]

Mick Gordon made BFG 10k

[spice beacon]

wasnt there a different suit for the slayer in eternal around the beginning of the nigjt sentinels

[terse basin]

I know but Andrew Baena remixes the songs

[spice beacon]

like that gladiatir looking one

[soft turret]

He first wore the Sentinel training armor, yes.

But they all have the same chest plate with the little red dot on the left breast plate

Even the marauders have it

[teal harbor]

They actually added a glass covering to the dot too unlike eternal

[soft turret]

Yeah

Wonder what the red dot is for

[agile osprey]

its a port for a wire connecting him to his mech

[soft turret]

We saw him use it to bring out the core for the fortress of doom

It glowed blue and the core was brought up

[ivory wind]

I mean, with TAG 2's ending, what could they possibly even do to bring him back?

[winter idol]

retcon tag 2

[soft turret]

Too much money just to tell the same story with a slightly different outcome

[cyan lotus]

the thing a lot of people proposed about the story possibly continuing with the seraphim as an antagonist and somehow demons coming back through unspecified means would’ve been so drawn out and I’m very glad no such thing happened

[winter idol]

yea true, i think ending doom after dark ages for a while is a good idea

id software clearly has infinite creativity so theres no telling what they may do next

[soft turret]

Next they do a doom game where doomguy goes to mars and he finds out his buddies at the base cut off bc of radio issues

Then he goes back home after a few years with no remarkable events going down

[agile osprey]

just let the series end at some point

[winter idol]

hope they explain more about the wraiths in dark ages

[soft turret]

Doom: The Normality

Coming 2029

[odd gorge]

Please in Doom Dark Ages do Doom Slayer vs Master Chief 🙏🏻

[cyan lotus]

I personally am quite skeptical of the game, I am most definitely going to play it and try to test the extent of the weapon and movement mechanics, but I am not so sure it’s going to strike the same chord as eternal did for me, but with how little information I have, it is way too early to even attempt to draw conclusions

[soft turret]

This debate was settled can we not lol

[odd gorge]

shhhhhhhh, don't brake my dreams

[winter idol]

I personally think the slower gameplay will be more for me

[soft turret]

I like the changes, eternal and 2016 felt different enough

TDA also being different works

TDA is the slower, heavier brother, 2016 is the more medium paced brother, and Eternal is the one running on that pure colombian powder

[cyan lotus]

it’s definitely quite a jump though, eternals weapons are just doom 2016s weapons with a different spin on them, but dark ages seems to have overhauled the arsenal with almost completely new weapons

[soft turret]

Well, we still have the SSG and the plasma rifle

[delicate grotto]

Redownloading the Doom games to play them again. TDA reminded me why I love this franchise.

[soft turret]

So some have stayed

[winter idol]

yea im glad we get completely new weapons

[soft turret]

I'm open to a mix of new and old

[winter idol]

its not the plasma rifle as we know it, its also called the accelerator

hugo hinted it would probably have something to do with shock damage

[soft turret]

I know, faster projectile but it will probably serve a similar role with the same damage type

[cyan lotus]

although I am sure that this is not the extent of the gameplay, it’s trailer gameplay, and it’s by developers, they can’t reveal too much about it and they’re prioritizing cinematics over execution, im sure once high skilled players get their hands on it, it will play entirely different to how we saw

[soft turret]

And it's cool to see Doom adding new guns

Doom 1 and 2 had no rail gun so

And we all love the ballista and gauss gun now

[winter idol]

one of my biggest complaints from 2016 and eternal was redundant weapon mods

[ivory wind]

Yeahhh, the Modern Doom Trilogy has plenty of content and replayability, let those be on the pedistal for like a good while

[cyan lotus]

some weapons have kinda no reason to exist, because weapons serve similar if not identical purposes a lot in eternal

[winter idol]

micro missiles are useless

[delicate grotto]

I won’t be surprised if this game comes out and divides the fanbase. A lot of people wanted the next Doom to double up on Eternal’s movement and speed. Glad it’s going in a new direction personally.

[soft turret]

It's more of a problem in 2016, but all weapon mods serve a role in Eternal (except for the remote det)

[winter idol]

auto shotgun was useless until they forced you to use it in tag 2

[soft turret]

Micro missiles can be extremely useful, it is up to what you choose lol

[cyan lotus]

actually I’d say in terms of usefulness, they exist solely to outclass mobile turret in its entirety, it’s higher damage and higher DPS when it’s a weapon mod that can be got as early as the first level

[soft turret]

That's the choice

[winter idol]

mobile turret is actually probably the most useless mod in game now

[cyan lotus]

And literally the same ammo pool so there’s no conservation worries

[soft turret]

Mobile turret did get shafted in Eternal tho, went form busted in 2016 to dookie in Eternal

Shield is just too good, especially with the bash

[winter idol]

shield trivializes a good amount of enemies

[cyan lotus]

the plasma rifle in its entirety is pretty bad, it has one use and that’s being a good source of damage for like half a level

[winter idol]

i have to force myself to use the plasma rifle

[nova badger]

He answered it in another video. Said there will be more freedom with GKs

[soft turret]

I use it as a stun gun

I love the plasma rifle as a busted transition to Sylar's lock on burst quickswap tech

Possesed demons stand no chance

[north spire]

I have a sneaking suspicion that this is gonna be the Audio Video Disco of the modern doom trilogy. Something that’s very good, but is under appreciated cause it isn’t as fast as Eternal

[cyan lotus]

also full auto is objectively bad, rapid fire and close range don’t work, and there’s nothing about it that’s “high risk high reward” it’s more like “high risk low reward” because just by shooting ssg and letting it reload on its own ( literally just press left click ) it is almost just as good as full auto, and with more spread, it has less of a damage fall off disadvantage

[winter idol]

yea ssg solo spam is better than auto shotgun

[soft turret]

Eh, I feel like fans will love it. Hugo did tell us about his desire to make a monster truck style Doom back in 2021

I'm happy he went through with it

[honest vortex]

"At the start of every development cycle, I play the original Doom again, and have the team play it too. I realized that we still didn't hit the mark" - Hugo Martin

[winter idol]

microwave makes me angry, it could have been so cool with some minor reworks

[north spire]

Hope it ends up being a fun game :)

[honest vortex]

"I noticed right away how slow those projectiles move – it just dawned on me that that is the maze. The movement is more horizontal as you weave your way between the projectiles, and every projectile mattered in the original Doom."

[soft turret]

I love microwave beam against the possessed

[delicate grotto]

Yeah TDA is leaning a lot more into classic Doom than the previous Doom installments, and I’m all here for it.

[honest vortex]

. "You're heavier, more powerful, and grounded," he says. "We're making strafing-to-aim a thing again. You'll be weaving between projectiles, just like you did in the original Doom, to deliver that Super Shotgun blast to the chest… It almost creates this three-dimensional 'shoot 'em up' puzzle that you're weaving your way through."

It's interesting he compares "heavier and slower" to classic DOOM

[soft turret]

Ferrari vs Monster Truck

[north spire]

Hopefully it’s still fast enough

[honest vortex]

You run a lot faster in Classic Doom compared to Eternal.

[soft turret]

Classic Doom is not heavy, but it isn't fast either

[north spire]

Like faster than most fps games

[delicate grotto]

The enemies and projectiles are faster in the newer games

[honest vortex]

Run speed is ludicrously fast on the OGs doe

[soft turret]

Doom 2 is not a fast game, ur just circle straffing around a horde

[north spire]

I like the addition of the Demoknight shield charge, is epic :)

[honest vortex]

Also there's diagonal sprint that speeds you up.

[soft turret]

Fast game? Eternal, Ultra Kill

That is actually fast

[hard thistle]

COD is missing from that list

[cyan lotus]

I am trying to be open minded in this discussion and just list the ones I think are objectively bad, I’m not going to list things I just personally don’t like, but yea microwave beam is bad, it only deals 5 more damage per instance dealt, im fairly sure it has a faster fire rate but it’s too negligible for me to see it as a viable option, it’s such a minor advantage over literal plasma rifle base fire that I wouldn’t say it’s useful at all for efficient play, it’s definitely a bloated arsenal, remote detonation is also a horrible weapon mod but that’s a discussion for later

[honest vortex]

"every projectile matters" I felt like you can tank quite a bit in Classic Doom though

[soft turret]

The old games aren't as slow as a "Monster truck" tho

[honest vortex]

Maybe he's saying you can't just heal up a lot through killing enemies anymore

[winter idol]

im really anticipating quake con to find out more about how the game plays

[soft turret]

I feel like this didn't quite hit the mark either, but I rlly don't care

[honest vortex]

You'd only have to find health packs on map like the classics is my guess

[soft turret]

I actually prefer what was shown over circle straffing for a couple minutes until everything dies

[delicate grotto]

Curious how they’ll approach resource management. I mean I don’t care personally, but having random ammo packs in a medieval battlefield would be a little odd lol.

[soft turret]

It's also odd to have em in Hell yet we still do

[primal storm]

im excited for the next leak ngl

[delicate grotto]

True. Again, don’t care that much. Just wondering if the shield will work like the chainsaw in Eternal. Where you use it to get ammo.

[half plaza]

maybe on like Hurt Me Plenty...Ultra-Violence imp fireballs could bite you in the ass if you're not careful

[honest vortex]

Classic DOOM is quite fast, his run and diagonal speed is ridiculous:
https://youtu.be/lKz6dSDA4Bw?si=U0cK7vRjHDzgBIzU

[half plaza]

The thing is the damage RNG means the low damage is really low and the high damage is really high

[empty furnace]

doom 2016 weapons are overpowered

[soft turret]

I know, but it all still revolvws around straffing.

And it doesn't make you process as much

You're still mostly ammo dumping into a crowd of demons

[remote thunder]

that also applies to de

[soft turret]

Doom Eternal has waves, weapon swapping, usually a lot more air time, tighter ammo counts that force resource management

You're not gonna be flinging yourself from one end of the arena to another in doom 2

In Doom 2 the ammo count is huge, you will be mostly dumping ur plasma rifle, chaingun and SSG on the demons

[honest vortex]

Eternal's Gargoyles and Shield Guys do way more damage than Classic Doom imps on Ultra Violence.

But the problem with Eternal is you can heal to full armor and health basically whenever you want

[soft turret]

Occasionally the BFG and rocket

[half plaza]

i assume health and armor will be a much less available resource

[honest vortex]

Though neither compare to 2016 Baron and Imps fireballs on Nightmare in terms of deadliness.

Also health drops and armor drops were very low in that game

[half plaza]

if they're drawing from 1993 era then health and armor packs would be the way to go

along with glory kills, though those might go back to 2016's low health return values but i imagine not

[terse ocean]

The new game looks lit tho

[half plaza]

it does!!

i'm hyped as hell

[honest vortex]

I actually hope so. Eternal made you basically invincible with how much health and armor drops you can generate at nearly any type

[terse ocean]

finna cop when pre oders are avalible

[soft turret]

The self-healing is part of the lore tho, that has to be here in some way

[half plaza]

you were only invincible if you knew how to manage your cooldowns

[honest vortex]

This is before 2016.

I thought that started with the 2016 variant of Praetor.

[half plaza]

which would get difficult

[remote thunder]

cooldown management really isn't that tight in de

[honest vortex]

Which is second nature after or halfway through your first playthrough

[half plaza]

late game no but DLC's and Horde Mode it can be

[soft turret]

The Slayer's Testaments state he gained the ability long before the suit

[half plaza]

equipment fiend can trivialize that

[remote thunder]

you're already invincible because of flaming hook, equipment launcher just makes restacking that much easier

[half plaza]

!!

[remote thunder]

the shield exists too

you can just choose to not die at any time

[soft turret]

That's good imo bc if u die it's bc u fucked up

[remote thunder]

the chaingun shield shouldn't exist, it'll save you from situations where you really should've died

[soft turret]

so hey if u got tight over the UN run ending get to work gang

[remote thunder]

and it makes a majority of de gameplay on youtube a snoozefest

[honest vortex]

I would be perfectly fine to a return of D2016 Nightmare's significantly lower health and armor drops from demons compared to Eternal's.

Mix that with a lot more Classic Doom style pick ups placed on the map, and that'd be pretty rad.

[cyan lotus]

also damage reduced when facing away from enemies for some reason

[balmy gyro]

I wanna see vega in corporeal form

[soft turret]

We won't

This is long after he was turned into a sphere still

Vega leaving was the whole reason Urdak started dealing with Hell, which led to the situation in TDA.

[balmy gyro]

Yea the whole transfiguration thing

[buoyant jolt]

You think the Doom Slayer keeps dirt under his pillow?

[honest vortex]

Oh yeah, the Chaingun shield was one of Eternal's biggest mistakes. That has gotta be the most broken and anti-DOOM tool in the series

[honest vortex]

Interesting. I thought it was just part of the Praetor

[soft turret]

I might be wrong. I'm rereading them and it seems that his innate ability is growing stronger, not self-healing.

The self-healing aspect seems to come from the gloves of the suit

[regal kelp]

Anyone else gonna buy it on launch?

Prolly only buy it on launch if theres no denuvo

[buoyant jolt]

Im gonna pre-order the $240 digital version that gives you an emote and some weapon skins for the worst weapons

[kind agate]

out of curiosity (even though not much information is out there yet) does the dark ages take place before or after eternal?

[half plaza]

before

[regal kelp]

Before 2016

[half plaza]

there very much is information out there also

[kind agate]

oh

[remote thunder]

waiter! waiter! more rearwardDamageMitigation!

[solar scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-the-dark-ages-doom-dark-ages-doom-dark-ages-doomguy-gif-15980962764398322199

[soft turret]

Prequel to 2016, sequel to 64

[honest vortex]

Yeah, that might be different with his Dark Ages suit

[kind agate]

that...
okay I need to start reading up on the storyline 💀

[buoyant jolt]

Gonna say it. I hope the cape is optional.

[honest vortex]

Cool suit, but I still dislike the exposed biceps

[soft turret]

Doom 1 - 2 - 64 - The Dark Ages - 2016 - Eternal

[honest vortex]

It's an improvement over the Eternal suit overall though

[soft turret]

Me too. It's one of the reasons why the Maykr suit is my favorite skin in Eternal.

[honest vortex]

I like it. Fits the Medieval thing, though knowing iD Software we'll probably see skins again

[kind agate]

ah okay must have read that previous sentence wrong mb

[soft turret]

Like, I get it, he has biceps the size of my head

[honest vortex]

I hope we can return to the extensive customization that we see from 2016 Multiplayer

[soft turret]

But it looks cooler to have them covered

[knotty hinge]

yes

[honest vortex]

Ebony variant of 2016 Praetor is mine

[buoyant jolt]

It is much better than the unicorn skin.

[soft turret]

Gold Maykr is my favorite, being more specific.

[honest vortex]

Unicorn skin was a funny joke, but not something I'd wear all the time

[soft turret]

Just looks so good imo

[soft turret]

The Slayer skin with a beer gut >>>>

[buoyant jolt]

I always rocked the zombie slayer. or on-fire-all-the-time slayer

[knotty hinge]

pinky

[tulip canyon]

People are talking about Doom: The Dark Ages and in my head all that comes to mind is Mace: The Dark Age.
Old people are badass *.
In fact, I love this mess of a game.

[honest vortex]

I like Maykr armor, but I always thought the helmet and visor looked goofy .

I wish you could just remove the helmet

[soft turret]

Understandable.

[buoyant jolt]

bring back the indiviual parts. that'd be cool

[soft turret]

I don't mind it, though I struggle to see how he, well, sees through that single eye hole.

[buoyant jolt]

by moving his eyes closer together. you cant do that?

[soft turret]

Unfortunately not

[gusty moth]

#screenshots 💀

[buoyant jolt]

ooh maybe that version is secretly a Dopefish?

[honest vortex]

2016 multiplayer let you have you change individual parts and had extensive detail and color customization on them

[soft turret]

Holy shit, you might be onto something!

[buoyant jolt]

yeah it was awesome

[honest vortex]

Even on the weapons

[buoyant jolt]

insert Marvel level of referencing and speculation here

[soft turret]

DOOM Cinematic Universe

Marvel fans staying through several minutes of credits just to see a 30 second scene that reveals Doctor Poopenfarten

[proud patrol]

bro this is gonna be one the best if not the best doom game to release

[soft turret]

Yes. I ate them all.

[proud patrol]

maybe its gonna be even better than 2016

[honest vortex]

2016 is my favorite as well.

[knotty hinge]

1st trailer is barely fresh let’s just hope it’s awesome as presented

[honest vortex]

Probably true

[buoyant jolt]

I'm waiting for the "Doom: The Dark ages is the first in the franchise to be completely focused on being a live service"

[soft turret]

Eternal is my favorite but 2016 is 2nd

[winter idol]

Dark ages looks like its going in the opposite direction from eternal and slowing everything down. Thats honestly how i prefer it, eternal just gets exhausting after a while

[proud patrol]

yeah

[hard thistle]

i like the fast paced stuff'

[honest vortex]

Valid

[hard thistle]

its fun to have to think at lightning speed

[hard thistle]

hear me out. doom 2 uv

[tender glacier]

Can't wait for this game

[hard thistle]

nothing beats doom 2 imo

then eternal is next then 2016 despite not having played much

[tender glacier]

Classic Doom is honestly a massive vibe

[honest vortex]

D2 is tied with 64 as my 2nd.

[hard thistle]

actually just classic doom yeah'

[soft turret]

I actually rate the ogs kinda low

They're good, just boring for me

[hard thistle]

i have a 64 i just need the cartrige for doom

[tender glacier]

Old Doom and new Doom are very different but also both excellent

[tender glacier]

Nothing beats running around an old Doom map while listening to chill music to destress

[nimble quartz]

I literally just started playin the newer doom games this week, cuz I can now and loved the old dooms

[tender glacier]

Something about those old virtual worlds does something to my brain idk

[hard thistle]

mods as well

[soft turret]

1. Doom Eternal
2. 2016
3. Doom 3
4. 64
5. 2
6. Doom 1

[honest vortex]

I'd say rn:

2016 > 64 = II > Eternal > 3 and 1993 are kinda tied probably

[hard thistle]

brutal doom is fun and brutal wolfenstein

[tender glacier]

I'm a console gamer so I don't have any experience with mods beyond the fact that MyHouse.wad is a work of art

[hard thistle]

2 and 1 are same thing pretty much

[soft turret]

You NEED to see Total Chaos

[knotty hinge]

putting doom 1 was diabolical malicious vile and evil

[winter idol]

I enjoy the gameplay of 2016 better than eternal but the world and art in eternal is far better than anything in 2016

[buoyant jolt]

surely there is a poll somewhere on the Doom server.

[tender glacier]

What is it

[soft turret]

Super Shotgun a game changer king

[soft turret]

Survival horror doom 2 mod that doesn't look like it is a doom 2 mod at all

[hard thistle]

nuts.wad

[honest vortex]

Kinda agree with 1993 as it gets stale fast with the lack of SSG and low monster counts and variety and loses its luster after Episode 1

Though 64 and II...(Especially those crazy Custom WADs like Back to Saturn X Episode 2 and Sunlust and shit) are fantastic

[hard thistle]

honestly they could shove doom 2 into classic doom as the 5th episode

they both use the same engine anyways so why not

[tender glacier]

Holy shit how is this a Doom mod

[honest vortex]

Doom II Custom wads are so ridiculously kino peak bangers

[soft turret]

Ikr, idk how the dev pulled such a feat off

[knotty hinge]

doom the dark ages is good

I like doom

[soft turret]

It's really good too, has a nice psychological story

[modest geyser]

I feel the exact opposite of this lol

[honest vortex]

Most likely will be. All doom games fun even Doom 3

[soft turret]

Same. 2016's art style was gorgeous.

[hard thistle]

nuh uh

[vagrant onyx]

It’s the complete opposite for me.

[tender glacier]

My opinion on the modern Dooms is that I prefer 2016's story and I prefer Eternal's gameplay

[hard thistle]

its more than good dummy

[honest vortex]

It's my favorite in art style, atmosphere, and sound design

[tender glacier]

Eternal does not feel like a sequel to 2016 but I still like it

[earnest vessel]

omg total chaos is soo good

[honest vortex]

Yeah Eternal is kinda its own thing

[hard thistle]

eternal is just a funny shit show

[soft turret]

If they ever were to release a version of Eternal that looks like 2016 I would buy it 100 times over

[vagrant onyx]

Same. I consider that to be the iconic modern doom art style.

[tender glacier]

Story is a bit incoherent but the gameplay is fun and I like the science fantasy vibes they leaned into

[hard thistle]

i didnt take it serious at all

[honest vortex]

There's sorta that with UAC Atlantica Facility

[hard thistle]

i started laughing when i saw the icon of sin walking around

[modest geyser]

I try to mimick 2016's rendering in eternal the best I can (gritty rendering, reshade, 2016 pickups mod, 2016 demons mod, etc.)

[soft turret]

I know, but it isn't quite there yet.

[tender glacier]

I like that 2016 is basically a horror game but you're the fucking Doom Slayer so it's a retro movement shooter instead

[hard thistle]

someone could leave doom eternal running on the last level for a year and earth wouldnt be consumed

[tender glacier]

Like the setting and the monsters are screaming survival horror but you're the Doom Slayer so you just bulldoze it

[modest geyser]

it sucks though because if you have a lot of mods that add custom textures, 2016 pickups mod breaks

[honest vortex]

I agree actually.

Though it's the best looking Eternal level and best vibe in an Eternal level

[soft turret]

2016's atmosphere is a toned down version of 3's, and I prefer it that way bc the enemy in question is Hell.

[hard thistle]

nuh uh you beat the shit out of demons so its a GORROR game

like gore

[tender glacier]

3 was like trying to be a horror game right

[hard thistle]

yes

[soft turret]

Action horror game

[honest vortex]

I'd say less toned down, and more like a more badass-ified version of DOOM 3, if that makes sense

[knotty hinge]

yeah

[hard thistle]

good would be an understatement

[tender glacier]

Yeah you're not just some schmuck sent into the meat grinder you're a khornate demigod with a super shotgun launching around the arena

[knotty hinge]

lord crimson more like dork crimson hahahahahahahhaha sorry that was mean sorry

[tender glacier]

Similar setting but totally different protagonist

[hard thistle]

doom slayer more like in a tomb slayer

[honest vortex]

Also guns sounded so beefy in 2016. IMO the heaviest, most metallic, beefiest sounding guns

[earnest vessel]

is it okay to post links here?

[tender glacier]

Similar levels of sex appeal

[knotty hinge]

no😔

[soft turret]

I say toned down bc everything is lighter toned, regardless of how badass the Slayer is, Doom 2016 does not have a Hell that has the voices of the damned constantly screaming into your ear.

[hard thistle]

what

[honest vortex]

Tru

[tender glacier]

I thought this was a Tomb Raider reference

Misread that

[hard thistle]

lol

[honest vortex]

That's an interesting take. Can't say I quite agree

[hard thistle]

have you seen brutal doom?

[honest vortex]

Atleast not on the Eternal having better world and art part

[tender glacier]

The worldbuilding is neat but it feels like it's trying to do way too much and it refuses to properly explain itself, also Samuel Hayden was done incredibly dirty

I like the science fantasy stuff though that's pretty cool

[soft turret]

I appreciate what they were trying to do with Eternal's atmosphere (trying to emulate 1 and 2), but I would have preferred it to have a 2016-like atmosphere.

[honest vortex]

Oh don't me started on VEGA and Hayden

[tender glacier]

Poor guys

[hard thistle]

have you played eternal?

[soft turret]

That TAG 2 plot twist will always be a disaster in my eyes

[tender glacier]

Yeah beat the DLC and everything

[hard thistle]

un?

[tender glacier]

?

[hard thistle]

ultra nightmare

[tender glacier]

Oh no

[honest vortex]

I don't even really think Eternal felt like OG Doom's atmosphere.

It was much more high fantasy, over the top, and even futuristic, flashy, and noisy compared to the Classics.

I'll say that they made a lot of the demons look like the OGs though

[tender glacier]

I'm excited for Dark Ages going whole hog on the high fantasy stuff tbh

[hard thistle]

eternal was just supposed to be a fun game

[soft turret]

Ofc, there were things that weren't there in the og

[tender glacier]

Doom Slayer looks great with that cape

[terse bolt]

while also having more open areas like classic doom

[hard thistle]

except... they have a doom port in eternal itself

[soft turret]

But the floating ammo and armor pickups and stuff like that are all OG inspired

[tender glacier]

As far as Ancient Gods goes I am one of the people that finds it very fun but also it felt like fanfic of Eternal which already kinda has fanfic vibes

[modest geyser]

advanced technology combined with medieval culture goes a lot harder than I thought it would

[solar scarab]

but the cape is awesome

[soft turret]

TAG 1 made sense to me

[tender glacier]

Yeah that's the Sentinels their stuff is raw

[hard thistle]

it did feel like a fanfic but it was also visually appealing

[soft turret]

It was a generic fallen angel storyline

[honest vortex]

Classic Doom was like B movie low tech Sci-Fi being fucked over by Hellish stuff

Eternal's high fantasy high tech high noise type deal

[soft turret]

But then we go to TAG 2 and like

Satan is God apparently???

[hard thistle]

that twist sucks

[modest geyser]

maybe we can headcannon that samuel hayden only THINKS he's samur because he was uploaded to his body

[tender glacier]

It was weird making the angels aliens to begin with actually

[modest geyser]

same with vega and the father :))

[honest vortex]

I guess a good way to compare Eternal to is a Marvel movie or something lol

[tender glacier]

Why not just make them angels like Ultrakill did

[soft turret]

They're not really aliens like the sentinels are

[honest vortex]

Not so much classic Doom

[hard thistle]

havent played ultra kill but i might get it soon

[soft turret]

They genuinely were involved in creation

[hard thistle]

the maykrs are angels and urdak is heaven

[soft turret]

The creation of the earthly realms was up to them

[tender glacier]

Insane vaguely homoerotic PS1 stylish movement shooter

One of the games of all time

[hard thistle]

i love fps games

[honest vortex]

True. It's a fun game

[soft turret]

Davoth created Urdak and Jekkad, and the Maykrs created the Earthly worlds

[tender glacier]

You can thank Doom for that

[hard thistle]

wolfenstein 3d?

[soft turret]

I do like the bio-mechanical approach to them

[tender glacier]

Well yeah

[hard thistle]

lol

[honest vortex]

I think they mean for popularizing the genre

[tender glacier]

Yeah this

[hard thistle]

yeah makes sense

[soft turret]

I also do like m0no's theory that Doom's universe was created through transcendent technological prowess

Similar to the precursors in Halo

[hard thistle]

wanna go back to doom demon tasting discussion?

[tender glacier]

I appreciate how insanely creative Doom was for the time, having it be a story on Mars with fucking demons and you play as a space marine dude

[honest vortex]

Yeah it does feel like a parody of DOOM in a way, but with fun gameplay

[soft turret]

Pinkies are a delicacy in Hell

[hard thistle]

we had a whole ass discussion about this in the morning lmao

[soft turret]

They just embraced all the absurd aspects of Doom and went through with it

[tender glacier]

You could not pay me to eat a Cacodemon

Arachnotrons probably taste pretty good though tbh that's my hot take of the evening

[soft turret]

I don't mind it happening to the lore but it affecting the artstyle is a no for me

[hard thistle]

cacodemons are blueberry fruit gushers

[tender glacier]

Dungeon Meshi but they're UAC marines on Mars

[soft turret]

Here's hoping TDA's artstyle is more grounded

[tender glacier]

What we saw in the trailer looks fantastic imo

The skull grinder gun is fucking sweet

[hard thistle]

they should have kept og chainsaw for the evil dead 3 reference

[tender glacier]

I feel like we are gonna get to have a real chainsaw

[vagrant onyx]

The cutest and cuddliest demons in doom.

[honest vortex]

Even TAG 1 got too far lol

[tender glacier]

The shield is more a buzzsaw

[hard thistle]

people are saying its the shield tho

[honest vortex]

Not the DOOM 64 and DOOM 3 ones

[hard thistle]

but hey maybe we could get more melees

[tender glacier]

You throw it like a buzzsaw instead of ripping and tearing with it from the trailer

[quartz crescent]

i hope they bring crucible back

[soft turret]

TAG 1 was a little absurd, but kinda expected. It emulated the Fall of Satan and the war in Heaven down to a tee so

[hard thistle]

oh for sure i have a theory on the final boss being the titan you see in taras nabad

[quartz crescent]

you have a shield and a sword

[honest vortex]

Stuff in this game look doper than the Crucible

[vagrant onyx]

Oh yeah true. The D16 one is the cutest. Would legit have one as a pet.

[tender glacier]

Samuel was done dirty

[quartz crescent]

i am all for that sword-and-shield aesthetic

[honest vortex]

Why not the Eternal one? As he's a more lighthearted and light colored version of the 2016 Pinky

[tender glacier]

I want a Pinky guardian that I can pet and that bull charges those who threaten me and turns them into red mist

[hard thistle]

i love pinky so much man

[soft turret]

He was. He really was just doing his job.

[vagrant onyx]

Fine I’ll have both.

[honest vortex]

Though even the base game was ruining Hayden and VEGA lmao

[hard thistle]

they so cute

[tender glacier]

I mean the twist was dumb and he should've just been a vaguely sinister robot man

[honest vortex]

The 2016 Cliffhanger with Hayden was legendary

[quartz crescent]

also i kinda want to see og praetor in this idk

[tender glacier]

He's not the villain of this story

[soft turret]

Oh yeah. I agree, making the Seraphim the same guy as Samuel was an odd choice

[hard thistle]

i thought he was before tag

[quartz crescent]

i like it a lot ngl

[ancient iron]

I wonder if Dark Ages will have references to Doom 64 considering is a sequel to it

[hard thistle]

@ancient iron no way your a stw player

[honest vortex]

Isn't Dark Ages technically the original Praetor?

Or do you mean the first one that iD Software made?

[quartz crescent]

yea the initial ones, because, you know, d16

[ancient iron]

And I regret every second of it, STW is just dead left to rot

[hard thistle]

ikr were you part of the ots?

[honest vortex]

Yeah D16 is my favorite Doomguy look. He looked really cool

[ancient iron]

WHat

[soft turret]

The armor he wears in Dark Ages is most likely Sentinel armor, this is before he met the Wretch.

[terse bolt]

The hell knight design is incredibly similar to doom 3 so it may finally connect to the ancient martians

[hard thistle]

the online tests? 2013-2017?

[quartz crescent]

the praetor must be started in Argent D'nur so i highly expect to get that skin ALL OVER AGAIN

[hard thistle]

im part of a lost media group and we looking for some old builds

[honest vortex]

I thought they said it was still a form of Praetor

[ancient iron]

Nono, from early 2018, jan to be specific

[soft turret]

There's a chance they will make it so the Praetor suit is just a modified version of the Dark Ages armor tho

[hard thistle]

ah gotcha

[quartz crescent]

the hell knight is the doom 16 hell knight literally

[hard thistle]

but yeah to answer your question its a sequel to doom 64

[ancient iron]

Bruh what

[honest vortex]

Also 2016's intro suggested it wasn't the first time he wore that suit.

That he wore the 2016 Praetor when the Hell Priests dropped a castle on him.

[terse bolt]

Which is a redesign of the doom 3 one
The one in the trailer is incredibly similar to doom 3’s, moreso than the 2016 one

[soft turret]

Well, ig so, I just like to keep the word "praetor" for the suits only the slayer owns

[hard thistle]

the dark ages is a sequel to doom 64

[ancient iron]

I know that bruhghg

[terse bolt]

it’s in the huge gap between 64 and 2016

[soft turret]

The Slayer's Testaments confirm the temple dropped on him after he met the wretch.

[honest vortex]

Then he was stripped naked and given back his 2016 Praetor as a "gift"

[quartz crescent]

they are really into the eyeless aesthetic arent they

[honest vortex]

I see. Well we'll see the history of the suit later on I suppose

[terse bolt]

also theoretically it happens around the same time as doom 3 but probably before it given the time the slayer came to argent d’nur was “ancient” by the time doom 3’s main game came around

[soft turret]

Doom 3 takes place in 2145

[terse bolt]

The only really eyeless one was 2016 iirc

[honest vortex]

True. It was white just like Doom 3 if I'm remembering right

[hard thistle]

dude i got shadow warrior and ultrakill

[terse bolt]

Alternate universe so the year doesn’t really place it

[soft turret]

Doom 3 does not take place kn the same universe as Eternal, it takes place in another universe

[honest vortex]

Doom 3 and 2016 are both eyeless

[terse bolt]

Oh the 3 one is too? My bad

[honest vortex]

Yup

[terse bolt]

been too long since I’ve played 3, I should do that

[proven grail]

I’m excited for this new game

[abstract bloom]

i still wish they had their horns back

[terse bolt]

game goes so hard

[honest vortex]

Resurrection of Evil expansion is awesome.

[terse bolt]

The classic hell knights are (mostly) extinct, the only one left is the gladiator

[soft turret]

Yeah they're basically shorter versions of em

[quartz crescent]

i like the hornless, hell knight with horns are too hard to distinguish from barons

[honest vortex]

"left" is an overstatement if you played Sentinel Prime lol

[terse bolt]

Yeah lol I’m just using the dark ages as the reference point cuz the channel

[abstract bloom]

well i mean the barons would stay the larger and more red ones, the hell knights would kinda just be themselves but with horns, idc if they're tan or purple tbh i like either

[honest vortex]

There was a concept art of Eternal Hell Knight that had horns that was still very distinct from the Baron

[north spire]

The music kinda reminds me of quake 2 a little bit

[soft turret]

We gotta talk about how broken the Doom 3 Resurrection of Evil protagonist is

[terse bolt]

I would like to see that, sounds interesting

[north spire]

Chaos control super shotgun :p

[honest vortex]

Interesting that Dark Ages still uses modern Hell Knights considering it's waaaay before 2016

[abstract bloom]

we might actually see some old hell knights in this game, that'd be cool

[soft turret]

Time slow down (basically turns him into a slower version of the flash), quad damage, berserk and invulnerability

Dude is busted

[terse bolt]

Iirc classic hell knights went extinct in the first age so makes sense to me

[north spire]

Also gravity gu-grabber.

[hard thistle]

amazing

[terse bolt]

also I looked up the eternal hell knight concept art and god damn that looks nice

[north spire]

Also crazy how the super shotgun has never been bad

[honest vortex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1239360180966260802/1249930711939416144/xrn1mp0v09f81.jpg?ex=66691830&is=6667c6b0&hm=b4cd2c5cb430db79eef0f8d1d50807475045b781cd80438de2b136a835decd54&

[soft turret]

ngl, the gravity grabber is lame

The gravity gun just did it so much better

[terse bolt]

Of the 3 now extinct enemies, only one wasn’t directly the slayer’s doing lol

[north spire]

Yea idk why they included it tbh

[abstract bloom]

see? they look so cool

[terse bolt]

Aggadon hunters and summoners were all killed by the slayer

though the first ones were reborn as doom hunters

[soft turret]

"Hey guys, Idtech 4 has physics too! use it instead of source, please!"

[north spire]

Doesn’t matter tho, we got the super shotgun so it’s ok :)

[terse bolt]

lol

remember when they just didn’t animate the doom 64’s ssg reload?

Crazy

[soft turret]

Yeah, but I like it that way

Has a certain charm

[north spire]

Probably Cartridge limitations

Still, the ssg feels good to use

[soft turret]

Doomguy just reloads the damn thing by moving it back and forward (he manifests the shells into reality)

[terse bolt]

yeah nearly identical to the doom 2 one

[honest vortex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1239360180966260802/1249931601014558720/Doom-feature-2.jpg?ex=66691904&is=6667c784&hm=74aad56c3dd8bed5a0dc65e0ba9e894f5d4996d14bab1d1aed04458a946b2854&

[terse bolt]

me fighting warhammer 40k orcs by pointing a gun at them and saying “pew”

[honest vortex]

This early version of 2016 was even grittier than the version we have now

[north spire]

Green

[soft turret]

Ur right, the Doom 2016 prototyped were really green

[terse bolt]

for those who don’t know warhammer orc magic works by making whatever they believe true, so if they think you’re shooting them, they die

So there’s a story of a guy who ran out of ammo and legit just started saying “pew”

[soft turret]

Doom 2016 ended up being red tho, fuck with it heavy

[honest vortex]

Also I'm guessing Cyberdemon was originally going to be a regular enemy considering he's in this random section of Necropolis lol

[terse bolt]

Nah it was probably just done for a cool teaser screenshot

cyberdemon can barely fit in that room

[honest vortex]

This part of 2016 was definitely not red. It's quite similar to this build

[soft turret]

Prototype doom 2016 imps look like mini hell knights

[soft turret]

I feel like it was rather grey-ish

[honest vortex]

Yeah it was a bit more gray here in the final build compared to the early green

[honest vortex]

Look like Hell Knights shape shifting into an imp body build lol

[soft turret]

Yeah they do

Or child hell knights
Malnourished hell knights?

[weary current]

can we get this in the dark ages please

or something similar at least, it would be awesome

[honest vortex]

It seems it's already too late

[delicate grotto]

They’ve changed demon models before release in the previous games. Might happen, though I doubt it.

[hardy tide]

curious if there will be some MS easter eggs in this game like a reference to the halo games.

or a cameo of alduin from skyrim

[soft turret]

Could happen, but you would have to gather a big chunk of the fanbase to suggest this change.

[honest vortex]

I could maybe see classic Hell Knights and newer Hell Knights coexisting....but that could be confusing

[strange oak]

cant wait to play young slayer

[small helm]

Bro I’m all for the new slayer design

[strange oak]

dull iron horn on the helmet is so cool

[small helm]

The spikes on shoulder pads, fur cape, it just screams dark ages to me

Like whoever gave him the fur cape needs to be moved up, that’s awesome for this game

[strange oak]

the aesthetic looks like a combination of 2016 and eternal, all the hell bits and natural rock is 2016 while the tech is very eternal

[hard thistle]

is doom even good

[strange oak]

it might be

think it comes out in 93

[hard thistle]

wdym "93"

[strange oak]

1993

its a joke

[slim rivet]

lol

[fallen juniper]

Bro I was redoing a mission for a key

I forgot the only thing I was there for

[cold cypress]

BETHESDA, MAKE "THE DARK AGES" OPEN WORLD, AND MY LIFE, WILL BE YOURS

[sweet frost]

The Doom Dragon sold this for me. We need more games with playable dragons.

[severe pebble]

Open world doom goes crazy

[ornate patio]

bro if they havent already then they wont lmao

you dont understand how big of an ask that is XD

[hard thistle]

I feel like a full on open world is simply just too much for this franchise... but I'm open to larger levels!

[ornate patio]

might aswell make a whole new game

[cold cypress]

I mean, yeah i know that it is something big, but just imagine how cool that would be

[outer quiver]

FUCK ASSASINS CREED FUNS

[mint estuary]

I would like open world if it’s in the same kinda way like those stupidly huge doom 1 and 2 maps that they had occasionally

so I guess not really open world but just huge non linear level

[granite jackal]

guys

i think the demon we knock out with the mech is the demon in doom eternal that is dead

[keen meadow]

that’s what I thought as well

[granite jackal]

yeah

[cold cypress]

but bigger levels, instead of being so much lineal (dont misunderstand me, the levels are already insanable good) would be rad

[granite jackal]

makes all sense

[keen meadow]

Cause the titan that’s dead in Taras nabad is the first titan the slayer killed, where the legend of the slayer began (according to Hayden’s voice line)

[granite jackal]

yeah

and can someone tell me why doom the dark ages so dark i can not even see the demons

[small condor]

They are going for a darker tone

[outer quiver]

Man... i thought he was so badass he killed this thing by himself, but instead he was in a fucking mech

[keen meadow]

He probably knocked it out with the mech and killed it with the crucible

[outer quiver]

We will see

[granite jackal]

yeah but what about the icon of sin bro packed him up with just a sword

[keen meadow]

He had a lot more experience when he fought the icon of sin in doom eternal

Based on the title and trailer, dark ages is based on the slayers early days, when he was still getting a grip on his powers

[granite jackal]

oh yeah i forgot his immortal

[unborn quest]

i love doom

[granite jackal]

btw did we know that because of the khan makyer that said (once a mortal)

[unborn quest]

i got i think every skin

[granite jackal]

my mom made my slayer custom???

[keen meadow]

elaborate

[unborn quest]

huh

[granite jackal]

well its the doom slayer with a mask of doom guy in 1993

[unborn quest]

ohhhh the slayers club

[granite jackal]

ye

[unborn quest]

dub

i forgor what minlooked like

[cold cypress]

Would you guys think will see Vega in doom dark ages?

I loved that lil AI

[north spire]

Probably not

[granite jackal]

yeah noo

we only meet vega in doom 2016 sooo

[north spire]

Maybe we’ll see Hayden again

[cold cypress]

They bring back Vega just to take it away again, hope we can hear something from it in this new game, he was an underrated allie, at least from my personal view :C

[north spire]

Vega’s epic, but idk if he’ll fit into the time this game takes place

Unrelated, but It’s nice to have two announcements that I’m excited for :)

[quartz crescent]

i hope they bring back that passive laser troop

in d16, they are called razors or something. very easy to be killed but if you leave them for too long it is an insta death once their laser is charged

[pale maple]

Hell Razer, and they're the coolest of the "fodder" demons of 16

[sonic turret]

Same composer perhaps.

[quartz crescent]

yes yes yes

i always give them a mercy kill with HMG scopesniping.

they are more dangerous than UAC infantry because they can sweep the laser around and even kill imp with their laser discharge

[pale maple]

Nah by the time they come into play I'm using the heat blast or up-close shotgun

I never use HMG scope in 16

[quartz crescent]

they died with a single headshot tho

[small condor]

I kinda want the 2016 cyberdemon to return

[pale maple]

On nightmare??

[quartz crescent]

on ultraviolence

take 2 on nightmare

[pale maple]

Ah yeah see I don't play UV lol

[north spire]

Nah, but Andrew Hulshult did do the music for quake champions before working on Doom Eternal’s dlc

So maybe he’s returning

[quartz crescent]

the trailer is hulshult style

but i am not sure who is the composer

[mellow wolf]

I know this game comes out next year, but have speed runners finished it yet?

[north spire]

Imagine if the dlc to this game is the period between 2016 and eternal

[north spire]

yea

doom slayer kills demons

oh shit, sorry, spoilers :p

[indigo glacier]

what does pinky taste like

[hard thistle]

You'd have to redo the entire arsenal and demon lineup you might as well make a whole new game

[small condor]

no

[hard thistle]

Outrageous that they still haven't told that story

[indigo glacier]

i’ve had a bad day everyone must suffer

[hard thistle]

I have worse ones every day

[mellow wolf]

He also gets a gun

Awh shit more spoilers

[abstract bloom]

i think this new slayer look is one of my new favorites, definitely up there with skull face skin and 64 slayer skin