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Granted Studios/Publisher can purchase a perpetual one-time license, but that is a lotof money to buy up-front. And that's if that option even exists in the first place
Even those perpetual licenses usually don't include the kind of distribution it would take to 'open source' the server stuff
Theres also the issue if an IP holder doesn't offer perpetual licenses and requires monthly payment forever, and if that IP changes hands, or the studio goes under.
Like, if I buy a DRM free copy of an e-book, I can't just go around selling people copies of it
After 50 years I believe books enter public domain
Ish, yeah.
You also get into funny legal ground where the text of the e-book might be public domain, but the e-book itself is still protected by copyright to some degree
The code is copyrighted not the words 
Unironically yes
Something something, I am not a lawyer, I just play one on TV, this isn't legal advice, etc. etc.

These "issues" have been worked around in the past by older games of course. Look at Counter Strike. Look at Max Payne and many others. They've not given the actual name for the Guns, but made distinctly slightly different names and visual versions of the real weapons that exist to avoid paying licensing fee's.
But in terms of in The Crew example. the players want to "drive" the actual name and real life equivalents of the cars.
(which is also why those cars can't be seen as being damaged, because the owners of those car models don't want to see them in a damaged state)
instructions unclear: i'm now wanted for architecture piracy and breaking building codes in cyberspace
Legally distict m1 abrams tank
[expletive]ing M2 Galliant Main Battle Tank
Though I could still plug in my n64 and boot up madden from like 1990 with all the nfl teams, so maybe we just need to revisit licensing requirements
wait
is the M1 abrams under copyright? it's in [cut to ad read] World of Tanks, our sponsor for this incursion into various bickering
Dunno. I do know War Thunder modifies capabilities of machines intentionally so it's not full of military secrets
and then the community leaks them anyways so what exactly did we gain here
My guess is the Studio/Publisher of World of Tanks are paying for an ongoing license to present it accurately in-game, or they had the cash to pay for perpetual license (if such an option even exists)
The game doesn't have the secrets so the studio isn't a military target
my thought is that because it's technically property of the government or whatnot and production is leased out afaik, it's not under usual copyright law
A lot of those licenses deal with distribution specifically. So if you have a copy, you're free to keep using it. They just can't use it themselves or distribute more copies of it. That's where The Crew ran afoul: If it had an offline mode, there's nothing stopping you from using it forever. They only had to shut down the online portion but that was integral to the game.
So the real problem isn't sunsetting of services, it's every goddamn game being a live service
counterpoint: we get extremely funny headlines
"local game development team center of leaked intelligence operation"
Also your N64 copy of Madden from 1990 is not only incorrect in terms of the current lineup, but also back then Online-Only games didn't exist so there would be no need or requirement for an on-going licensing fee, so it was likely paid up-front
Online-Only games have their advantages and disadvantages. Sure you as a player are only paying a one-time price (outside of added DLC stuff) but the Studio/Publisher is having to continue to pay for the licensing fee's for the real life brands that exist inside the game.
Loved the mlb japanese American-inspired names in some games they were quite funny to try and make it legally distinct
its not even just live service games, to continue to make and sell copies of the game on say steam they would have to continually have a license
The only current live-service game that I've personally experienced that could feasibly exist in an SKG-as-written world is Deep Rock Galactic
it was fine before because you made and sold a game only once for a limited time
Found a screenshot
Good example
None of those names actually exist in regards to the team that they're playing for
Wharhammer 40k inquisitor/prophecy recently ended live service and added an offline mode. Very graceful exit.
and then there are games like Meet Your Maker which literally cannot work without online servers
Pretty good agreed, but the Studio that made that game is in cahoots with Games Workshop, as is all games under the banner of Warhammer. So there's likely a contractual agreement between the two where Games Workshop wanted to continue to make it available
Whereas going back to The Crew example, Ubisoft would have had to make every single car, tyre, exhaust, motor, music etc brand agree to have their name associated, and be paid for a previously on-going license contract turned perpetual license for an average player count of ~200 people
As much as I'm not a fan of online only games that could exist as a single player gam, there's far more to it than just "make the game single player"
I've only been playing single player games with Starcraft 2 co-op and Ark co-op with my brother being exeptions
anyone know what plugin, if any, thor/the rescue uses for the 24/7 stream to get the stream to restart after resetting?
when you said Plugin I thought "I thought Endless Sky was the only place that had plugins 🤔 "
Iirc, it's just obs doing it. You can ask them through a #ferret-ticket if you want to be sure.
was contemplating just asking on strim in a few hours via a TTS, but the ticket might be the better idea
totally didn't forget that was an option, nope, not at all
I was under the impression ferret tickets were for shaye to address non technical issues with the rescue, like odd behaviors or Onion jailbreaks
yeah, asking on stream would be the better idea, thinking about it, as you're right, that is what they're for
oh, yeah, if i do anything with AI faceswap, it is Never high effort 😂 i literally just google an image to slap a face on 🤣
Just open source your code bro. It's easy
Just stupidly from SKG
Asking private companies to just open source their code
adds vibe coded code to your project
its a collection.....be glad its not full and hopefully you still have both of your eyes
Bezoes require uppies 
must protect bezos
For Amazon PRIME

This is actually a really interesting rabbit hole of legality, because technically, anything created by the US government is in the public domain by law, which is part of the reason why it doesn't even make an attempt to own any of the means to produce things it needs for government projects.
If the US Government were the ones to design a tank, then while they absolutely could prosecute anyone who leaks the schematics since that person would be in breach of contracts etc, they would have no legal reprecautions against anyone unrelated to the project who then proceeded to spread the supposed to be confidential information, because they're literally just reproducing and spreading public domain works.
However, if the US Government doesn't actually design anything, if it's some private company that owns all the designs, then not only an initial leaker is disincentivized from sharing government secrets, but anyone else who'd subsequently pass it on because they too are committing a crime (other than the very convoluted to prosecute general concept crime of treason in this case).
Luckily this doesn't lead to said private companies being put into privileged position where they have direct leverage over the entire country and its security.
The United States Military Industrial Complex: Brought to you by the nice and popular idea of putting stuff in the public domain that everyone likes the sound of and definitely doesn't backfire when you actually put it into practice.

SKG now has videos from talks with EU Commission people where they are saying that not being overly specific is much better than the other way around. This way the initiative can be adjusted after they talk with experts and interested parties without having specific restrictions in place that may not even make sense in the end. The main idea (not completely losing access to something you paid for) is the important part.
Hiya Thor 
What? We're just having perfectly normal talks about copyright of government assets, at least it's not current events
Don't worry, I don't intend to talk politics, it's just a quirk of a well meaning system I thought was interesting.
I would not be offended if you deleted it though if you feel it's too political
a bit grey, plus this is streamchat so it supposed to be more about whats going on in stream
DadSpace is going well, chat bowls over the random newbies showing up to fish for comments about the skg stuff so they don't get fed
would love to watch more, but i gotta head to bed so i can rest up for work later
nini streamchat
How many days has it been since the last leak on the tank game?
@minor nymph BEHOLD i made you a bezos again 
@minor nymph i made it the size Nelas said they should be too
atleast it should be
so, i assume the lines i kept in the helmet face where part of it and not just graphics glitches, but either way they make it look different. i finished it, and was like.... i can make this better... oh! i can put a thor face on #TheChild, so i chose the most Horrifying Thor face to put on a child, the Thor-With-Mustache 
i even got Fancy, i used Photopea to do it, well, i did it to Assemble it all, i used Paint to cut out the parts of the original face in the helmet but then did layer things to get the Bezos under the hollowed out helmet 😂
ooh they throwing hands
I'm safe - 50% of nothing is still nothing 
also
really? that much?
Thor gets a 70/30 split because of the partner plus program, but yes, anyone that can't get the required sub points for 3 months in a row gets 50/50
Thanx!
pro trick, if you cant make the bezos face to match, just make it be a mask xD
like xD
#IAmTooLazyToFixIt
anyone know blender and git hub that can help me add a few addons for the first time
try maybe the Art rol, they have a 3d channel, I think
https://mannequinmall.com/collections/abstract-egghead-mannequins for the 1000 bucks thing
Thanks, I hate it. I'm staying out of this channel until that gets pushed off
My problem isn't the same as Thor's. It's not the face that's the issue for me
I just watched the movie "Wishmaster" at a formative age and the scene of the lady being turned into a mannequin freaked me out.
Couldn't play Pacific Drive either because of the Tourists
ah understandable
well my point is that they are around 300 each, so we can send like 3 to thor
the faceless ones
ah I can do something
@tribal bloom I removed the thing from the link
Is it just me or does this make thor look like hes wearing a futuristic headset lol
for my collection
Sorry that its so small
the ai broke and his ocular exo-organ was showing, it's how he sees all of the chats at once
Oh shit he's cosplaying as Seven 
Wait...
.
It all makes sense
DETH floppas
it cant be the batman music, he is FerretMan, he has a FerretCave
Main idea of not losing access to something you paid for is good. I agree with that part on SKG.
The idea that companies either have to abide by very specific and potentially crippling architecture or otherwise be forced to open source their code upon sunset is stupid and I don't agree with that from SKG.
I just saw the vid. So thats why theres skg talk again
extrapolation: preservation is good. trying to regulate a creative art is usually not
and by that, i know there's a mole in here somewhere, i mean putting limits and restrictions on what/how people make
it's like trying to codify that you can only paint in acrylics because the painting needs to be preserved
or are oils more durable? idk the simile still works
oh hello i'm just here to talk to you about your seamoth's extended warranty.
I loved the seamoth
called mine "Little Help"
didnt like the big submarine or getting forced to make it
I got this clip for a friend, to make him play the game
"you got games on yo phone?"
yeh thats on lost river
there is a big skull and maybe is ssomething with the leviathans AI but if you got inside the mouth they always got close to check, but wouldnt attack
you can see the teeth of the skull
Yes, exactly this point. The egregious part is that the way SKG wants to regulate this art/industry is to force companies to open source their code
What's going to happen is it's going to increase costs by legislating requirements, discourage studios from making ambitious online games and tact on licensing complications
Everything that would make gaming more expensive and making games less viable for small to midsize studios
Just the epitome of dumb
Good luck forcing a dev to give away code that they don't own or didn't make lmao
So now we have to rewrite the entire licensing/common library system to make way for whatever the hell SKG is trying to legislate
Can we just delete SKG and create a movement to stop increasing the price of games?
Instead of this shortsighted movement that'll increase the price of games?
I don't think you could realistically legislate that
Sorry, instructions unclear. All games no longer have a box price but you now pay by the minute of gameplay
Sorry, any game that has an online component now has a newly introduced $25 "play forever tax" to empower players to be able to play the game forever. Players will also have to pay a yearly fee of $10 to keep empowering other players to be able to play this game forever.
This is an additional subscription to compensate for the new license requirements, additional infrastructure needed to keep up with the new legislation
So yes and no
You get to pay double so that you can empower players
I hope it passes and will be ready to watch the world burn. To hear the screams of regret like a pleasant song on the wind
Consoles need 4 subscriptions to have them work
sounds great
It'll be the worse timeline. It'll just add more subscription fees and increase prices of games
I hate to defend capitalism and companies like Ubisoft because they're scum but do people really think infrastructure and licensing is free?
Im gonna use the congratulations gif so much
I am 100% a petty douche and will rub it in the face of skg supporters i know if this blows up in everyone's face. I might be going down too, but at least i'll be laughing
Game subscription, network subscription, online subscription, and hardware updates subscription. 🙃
New licensing fees too
I have a feeling Ubisoft is looking at this and laughing. They get to charge gamers more for games and SKG hand delivered them a reason to soften the blow to consumers.
Ubisoft can just go blame it on SKG for the price increases and additional subscriptions
Wow, Pragmatica looks way different than I remember: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geCR6jcfrI8
In a future dominated by cheap, efficient, readily-available machine labour, take contracts as a novice autologistics programmer with the mysterious and powerful Pragmatica Foundation. Welcome to Progress.
Game developed by HiVE
Music by Hurtdeer
Wonder how long he'll go over for lol
For as long as he's addicted
Or until the batteries run down
Does he even know he's gone over? 
Been in meetings all day so haven't paid much attention to stream today
he is finishing the game
ah i see thor is playing the Father Simulator
I could not come back to a game like that for the different modes, picking back up in the same game after that ending just feels wrong lol
That's definitely one of those "I'll play this again in a few years" games
i said it in chat, but that is the best AAA game this year currently. Capcom has been killing it since 2017 with RE7. a couple stinkers in there as we know, but mostly fantastic.
I watched Thor play the DLC for Outer Wilds, that’s the last time a game affected me in any significant way.
from only being able to hear 99.9% of the game while at work. To much modern game commentary
8.9/10
I don't even know what other potential contenders are coming out this year.
gta6 
Sadly GTA 6 is supposedly coming out this year. Also RE9 had Leon.
If Pragmata doesn't get a chance to win GoTY something is wrong.
Something was already wrong, but you get my point.
GTA6 can choke on a… I’ll just leave now 😂
I tapped out of the stream because I don't want to be spoiled yet
From what bits I've seen so far, Diana is so precious my heart aaa
its been a while since a RE game got a goty but I guess
I cried so hard its not even funny
RE9 is one, which had Leon.
which goes with the thing i said about Capcom killing it atm, as they have been since 2017 minus a few stinkers.
precious, precious child
I'm thinking 'is that what's like to have a good child? Is that why my friend wants children very much?'
a child will be as good as you raise them
Chidren are products of their environment. School is a major part of that, and the internet is too. It's difficult to raise chidren with that kind of influence.
I didn't want children because I know that I myself gave my parents a lot of stress with medical problems since a baby 😅
it was painful for them to watch me continually suffer
yeah same
also most of my medical bs is hereditary
so they will surely have it too
Knowing how hereditary illnesses get passed down is worse because you can't RNG the unknown like our ancestors did
meaning that one is bringing a child into the world intentionally knowing what they might inherit.... becomes something of a moral issue
it's either prepared to deal with the diseases/disorders or choose not to pass it own
in my case is type 1 diabetes. I was the kid that couldnt have sugar at all
i wont give that to a child
oh that's rough
I couldnt even eat my own birthday cake for a lonng while
then my father started making them sugar free
I give 🫂 emoji because that does suck
yeh, most times someone is born with type 1 is because someone else of the family has it
That means one of your relative had it?
also boyfriend side of the family is heavily on cancer so <.<
not that I know of, but probably
it doesn't sound like your parents have it so i wondered where it jumped from
mom side of family is not really close to me
believe me, doctors wonder the same thing
xD
I just had that luck
it's a real puzzle if it's a dominant
Nowadays type 1 is much less of a problem if you have access to an insulin pump. They're expensive though.
It's still gambling RNG for your future generation and it's not a decision to make lightly
yep
there are more things now than back in the 90s when I grow up
thats true
sweeteners back then used to taste like metal
and chemicals
i remember that
but still, is a social burden for a kid
my memory of those were 'the hotel sweeteners' because it was suually hotels that had the sugar free option
Sometimes back then the "sugar free" option was just that, no sugar. No sugar subsitute either.
also "sugar free" processed food usually has double the fat to compensate the lack of sugar on the flavor
I remember getting a pudding from a cafeteria that had almost no flavor at all because it was sugar free
on the other hand now I can sense sugar in any food like a shark blood in the water
even in things like tomato sauce
(most tomato sauce thats like, store bought has sugar)
or barbecue sauce
99,99% of american food has sugar
tbf
they dont know what is to have hard stale bread
it's so American(tm) to have a ton of sugar in everything
their bread molds
any bread molds eventually tho
Depends on where you grow up. My family had a "no added sugar" rule when cooking because my mom is a registered nurse and dietician
There are things you can add to bread to prevent molding, like vitamin c
with an untouched loaf, if you leave it for a couple months you could hurt someone
i live in a super humid place so things always mold and almost never go rock hard unless it was under sunlight
in fact, crispy things become soft
we also have a lot of recipes that use stale bread
I hated that when I lived near the swamp. Fresh baked bread went soft instead of crispy
yehh thats a problem
Someone said barbecue sauce and sugar so I grabbed mine, this is a honey BBQ
34g and 12g is just sugar
you even have 2 types of sugar xD
and honey
11g of which matter, TBF there are normal sources of sugar that aren’t added in, one moment
It probably means 1g honey 11g sugar added to it
btw the measure is 34g of it, and 12g of that is suggars
JUUUUICE
(yes it was terrible)
juice has naturally sugar too but at least is not added
thats 11g on a serving of 28
American juice is kind of a mixed bag. Sometimes the process is overly industrialized to the point of absurdity. Ie, orange juice.
it got a boost. it is now sitting at 97% Overwhelmingly Positive
I haven’t had jerky in a LONG time now that I think about it
even natural just juiced juice has fruit sugars, I cant have a lot of some fruits because of that
Orange juice has all the oxygen extracted so it can be stored for long periods of time. The process eliminates all flavor from the juice so it has to be re-added before sale using chemical flavorings.
is it normal to not have column for ingreditents per 100g ? makes i really easy to calculate the actual portion of something
that doesnt happen in europe. Weird
I’ve only ever found one mass produced apple juice that tastes like apples and not apples with added acidity and tang
Honest brand juice had it
generally its just the serving size, which is determined by the fda
I am used to americans way of measuring things xD
best option is just buy the fruit and do it yourself
I’ve never seen that column on any product ever. Completely unheard of in US as far as I know
meanwhile I'm sitting here thinking "fresh baked bread is supposed to be crispy?!"
in the grocery stores where I live they have this machine where the fruit is, that juices oranges for you, you can fill a bottle with fresh orange juice and you get charged when you go to pay
I think cereal has a colum of dry and with skim milk, but no per 100g.
I have to protect anything that's a cookie in air-tight contianers so they don't become soggy
we always have per 100ml or 100g. seems tedious to have to calculate on your own
You think Americans are calculating anything on their food?! 
also price tags have a cost per kilo
elsewhere in the world there's the 100ml or 100g tag
It might be a lobbying thing to hide fractional amounts. Ie, any fractional amount of calories can be displayed as 0, so if your serving size of a product is low enough that it's below 1 kcal, it can be displayed as 0 instead.
Actually I think calories can be 0 below 5
As an American I assume it’s because then they can make the serving size TEENY TINY so it LOOKS like a “healthier” snack with the lower numbers. Because that’s as far as I expect a MAJORITY to go
A lot of people never even look at nutrition facts labels at all
The 100 calorie snack packs with 5 servings inside 
Our cookies and chips are often in serving sizes of 2 cookies or 2 oz of chips, where NOBODY is eating that little
who decides that a 500ml bottle has a 250ml serving size. are they expecting people to drink half the bottle, then leave the rest for tomorrow?
yes
I've seen the serving size of a potato and it's literally one wedge. that's supposed to be what your body needs....
the serving sizes make no practical sense
that's why 100g gram servings make the most sense to me. ate 50g, then you go half of whats on the label
Companies probably use psychology to determine the ideal serving size
Oh you know a fantastic one to look up? Crumbl cookies
But also for a culture of people who’ve never had such a thing, and typically don’t weigh more than a couple flower in grams, we really have no concept for the actual size of 100g
Iirc crumbl cookies sometimes are listed at 1/4th of a cookie
you could do 1 pound, stone, rock, pebble whatever units you use. as long as it's consistent
Oh! I have a fun one. Restaurants and prepared food places have absolutely zero legal obligation to inform the customer of ingredients in their food 
They have to list allergens and in some places the calorie totala
I mean that’s sort of an indirect, because of liability, thing but yes
I think the majority of us would easily understand the use of cups instead of grams for this. I’m thinking about what units of measure we use with food most often and I honestly think it’s the cup, 8oz
And I’m apparently the huge nerd for knowing cups to ounces conversions 
I don't think I can watch LinusTechTips anymore. They were discussing how skg is being pushed forward and all. Then one of the employee made a joke about how it only took one person to disagree to put it where it is now. Completely ignoring the fact that their community constantly harassed and send death threats to Thor. Made me really sick and had to close down the stream. Something I've never done since ~2016.
Interestingly Luke did not laugh, so he's good in my books.
Their content was going downhill anyway, so I don't think I'm losing anything.
i stopped watching Linus after he sexually harassed Naomi Wu. and that happened AGES ago.
didn't know that happened
but naomi wu isn't a good person
I'd say she's far worse than linus in every metric
Not that she deserves to be assaulted
But the things she has done are deplorable
making sure we're talking about the same person, Chineese DIY tech influencer
*it's chinese political stuff so I won't elaborate bc i dont wanna get whacked by a mod
yeah chinese diy tech influencer with heavy involvement in corrupt politics
I mean shes Gay and has a GF who's targeted for being Uyghur, she's pretty openly anti gov. she's also been taken to jail a few times explicitly for speaking out against her own gov.
lol that's a falsehood, she's the chinese equivalence of a cia or mossad operative
but i won't go into it
unless she's wildly changed in the last few years
she's a propagandist spy, and always has been
either way, none of that merits her getting sexually harassed by Linus
and she had the texts/emails to back it up but everyone just looked the other way
she's the tech version of jackie chan
even this, she is sanitising the experience of minority groups in china
A real gay person could never become a famous public figure in china
I mean, she is gay
but like
a gay person not affiliated with the government could never be a public figure in china
Anything before the "but" is kinda meaningless. =\
sorry if this is too political but I've been involved in pro-democratic chinese movements for many years
agreed
I think you missed what I was getting at =\
you meant after the but, not before.
what matters is that she shouldn't have been assaulted
^
and she also isn't a good person
anything else will leave it too political
and I know the mods are watching xD
the world is complex, let's stop looping
bad things can happen to bad people and it will still be bad
The interns are right here in the chat!
excuse you
SCP containment agent
SPC?
lmao
personally I'm just waiting for skg to run headfirst into the wall that is IP law and crumble into the void
I doubt it even advances any further
Is a baby employee not an unpaid intern?
Similar but different
Im paid.... In the bones of the people I smite.
well, you mostly smite clankers, so not really any bones there
youd be surprised
many bones
technically the EU has to formulate a response, that response is gonna end up as a tl;dr: "you expect us to completely nullify copyright and/or patent laws whenever a corporation runs out of money to run their servers so they can freely break their sublicencing agreements to share critical data mainframe information for free?"
She kicks them in the nuts...& bolts 
I think they're going to try to combat that (6) point from the slideshow they showed: the publisher takes steps to ensure the game can't be resurrected
Wait does that also include Bones our local corvid?
if bones does something that requires time out
all the pets and shinies to bones the corvid
...I have to make a few calls
-# hello yes? LIQUIDATE EVERYTHING
ohh no
liquid bones?
Not my frozen cow bones for my soup stock 
you can keep those for your soups
i can grow new bones then
I also have a large stock of frozen cow bones
Have you considered being/becoming a patron to an agreement of warlocks?
click on my profile and read the first line....
I need to make a large bone meal one of these days for tossing into broth to strain out for the gelatin and cartilage
i get mine in bulk from the asian market. they sell 1lb bags of beef bones pre-cut up in to 1-4" chunks specifically for making soup stock
I usually go and buy a few bags when they go on sale and stuff em in our chest freezer
[argument over level semantics and what counts as an Undying patron that lasts for 10 minutes]
Yeah we got ours from a local butcher from a local cow farmer who wanted to sell off a quarter (and we took all the offals for free)
heck yeah
Oh neat free soup
uh
any word on this mirror?
Yeah it was 4$/pound average for all the parts at like 600$~ it was the best purchase we have made and will make it again in about a year or two.
don't know. but please don't try to stir/spread drama
...huh.
That...
Bodes.
Khronos is a streamer now
I just asked to not stir/spread drama
mainly the 1st part
Cease
i didn't see the message before posting that. was busy screenshotting and typing out the message.
you're good. you know now.
Ig we're going to have to get answers from the next time thor or khronos streams
Or, let their business be their business.
or, since this dosent concern us, we just leave it
^
Be careful don't say anything. Drama spreading.
Fair enough
if they wanna talk about it, they will.
so now, instead of mods, it's just mod?
Drama spreading
my bad cap
lets move along from this.
Lord Henry is now a mod.
Drama
...Henry is a ferret
Beans with his ban button
Henry just types Lapel.e at us
speaking of Ferrets, the ghibli crew is out and being very bouncy
The ferrets can have bread even after becoming a mod 
Muta and Haku have been doing backflips
Clear discriminatory practice in the workplace smh
Equal rights and bread for all
I'll laugh when they eventually reach this point.
The response is due July 27th. Should be entertaining
I do hope there's some more consumer protection rights that come out of it, but probably not going to see anything close to what they're hoping for.
The problem is with the way it is framed at the moment, those consumer rights will come at the cost of innovation and price hikes
Developers aren't allowed to make certain games without either open sourcing their code or paying for infrastructure costs forever
Tell me how that will magically happen without license fees, server costs and restriction of innovation that won't be directly passed to the consumer
Many games just won't be made, like hero shooters funded by microtransaction cosmetics. It's impossible to create that sort of economy when the game can be taken offline or used peer to peer with no main server controlling it all.
Instead we might be met with "full" priced games that include all the extras from day 1. Either that will be ludicrously expensive or strikingly bare bones.
SKG will make
- games more expensive
- cripple small and midsize game companies
- stifle innnovation
- give game companies an excuse to add more subscriptions, ads, microtransactions
Another possibility is the adoption of mechanized slop dispensed at a high rate of fire. Console games had this problem something like 30-40 years ago.
the game crash in the 80s
glares at ET for NES
Good job Atari
Companies have a habit of ignoring the laws a lot then they just pay the fine, which is like a slap on the wrist for them. I mean, who's saying they'll actually abide by whatever SKG might end up being? What would be the penalty for the companies anyway?
thats probably the biggest issue of everything that it's trying to do- enforcement.
EU penalties aren't just a one time deal, they're usually daily until you fix it.
this is my main gripe with it tbh. Whole genres of games rely on being online for content. Most of the Esports scene will be cripled by this if the costs for making and maintaining online games goes up.
That's like putting a fine on sci-fi stories. Try to push that and it'd get laughed out of the room.
yeah but lets say its a company thats gone bankrupt or being shuttered and thats why the game servers are being closed, they're gunna fine a company that has no money?
Maybe. I've been told it's not like the US where companies being separate legal entities protect the people that created it.

Also when every company that makes games that has some integration with the cloud (basically almost all games) are paying these massive fines, who do you think are the winners who will have to pay more for games/subscriptions?
That's right, all the geniuses who supported SKG and all the unfortunate folks who did not support SKG.
oh hi Thor
hi thor
I swear to god if this channel becomes SKG discussion containment 2 I am going to ban everyone and then myself. Be civil and productive. No unverifiable conspiracy shit. I mean it.
We're being civil, I think
at the moment.
Stream chat when thors not streaming is kinda = drama chat
I read up. It was HEAVILY weird shit. Keep it sane.
I am never in stream chat, what on earth is happening right now!?
plus it's mostly regulars here so we know the limits, at least we should
recent vids came out about SKG's progress. Just talking the fallout
Fallout........76?
and speculating on what might happen
Mirror over there salivating at all the free bones if this goes south
I thought we kept it civil. Mostly discussion about economic fallout on gamers. At least that's what I've been sticking to
I dont eat the bones
that would be gross
i mean, if you ever ate any gelatin in any form, that's eating bones
Mirror uses them for her Army
different bones. I dont eat the bones I steal from chat.
I thought that was why Red has been stealing them for
because thats cannibalism, and cannibalism is wrong.
and prion disease is horrifying
shudders
Who do you think Mirror is fighting?
The clankers
Red and Mirror shall battle it out and THEN the clankers
bogos binted?
Photos printed?
vorp?
fert
fart
flarp
florp
dook
dank
Gort
!gort
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baradu
I love this channel, tbh.
thought you're speaking finnish for a second because of that song "bara bada bastu"
my nerdy ass thought you were talking about Barad-dûr
I responded
ME TOO! I love Kira lol she's crazypants
Yes, but no one finished it!
they are the bestest most dramatic pups
KING Henry, btw. How dare you demote him to a lord.
Did Thor finish the game in one sitting? I see he went a couple of hours over.
per his tweet, yes
60 bucks is pretty steep for a sub-20 hour game
I dont think he 100% it and it does have newgame plus afaik
which game did he play?
I believe a few other modes unlocked as well
"now unlocked tower defense"
"you can now play as Luigi"
97% overwhelmingly positive. its a fantastic game.
Puzzle shooter
$60 btw
The VAs also killed it
Especially whoever the VA was that voiced Dianna. idk if it was a child actor or not, but they did great.
uhh. RE9 and Mouse P.I for hire enter the chat.
Neither, it's Slay the Spire 2 that'll take GotY. The price makes it far more accessible to players.
we still have the WHOLE rest of the year
Mouse P.I For Hire is currently 96%
That curve though
My god there have been some great games already this year
fine, pragmata vs resident evil 9 vs crimson desert vs Mouse PI
player counts don't usually count towards GOTY also its Early Access. EA games don't typically go for awards.
like 2026 has had a lot of bangers so far
im really enjoying slay the spire 2 multiplayer
And there's more coming for this month
S&box on the 28th
The big question is... Mouse PI or Dwarf Fortress?
drunk cats win
Noo think of the kitties!
all i know about dwarf fortress is its a drunk cat simulator
i'd rather Mouse P.I For Hire as its new and going crazy like Pragmata. Dwarf Fortress can happen any day.
what? i know nothing personally about those types of games other than its not for me.
The simulation is so deep that spilled beer plus a cat that happens to walk over it will result in the cat licking it's paw, getting intoxicated, and the BAC being so high it dies.
i thought it would just puke immediately and repeat the cycle
Well the simulation isn't perfect
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From how it was explained to me, the simulation only looks at the concentration of alcohol compared to the weight of the imbiber. Since cats are so light compared to a dwarf, it basically gets instagibbed.
can we get a dwarf fortress expert to answer which of us is correct?
I know there was a hilarious bug that was brought about when the exercise mechanic was put into the game. It unintentionally allowed river trout to get super buff when swimming against the tide, to the point that they could walk on land and beat anything they see up.
There's been many such wild bugs over the years
The fish in question
Here's another. "Fixed problem with undead passing out from strangling "
The devs discussed it in an interview in 2018 according to a search
"ALL primates have front and back legs (with accompanying feet), no arms or hands, yet have fingers, somewhere "
its in EA, dont think it has any hopes of releasing this year
if speculations are correct, POE2 could be GOTY, since theres quite a lot of evidence that it could be releasing this december
This reminds me of the sims patch notes lol
From the dick kickem guy, a narration of the greatest patch notes ever.
Original: https://soundcloud.com/meterstickjim/sims-3-patch-notes
Sims who are on fire will no longer be forced to attend graduation before they can put themselves out
XD
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Are we expecting a late start to stream tonight?
For now I'm watching a Welsh fisherman
and there we have it - Thor needs to be a slug for another hour.

I'll be fishing with blackholes in the meantime
Thor doesn't need sleep, he needs a fast charger
I am shocked that someone so sleep frugal can get into sleep debt
he does need to sleep to make up for the days he just dont sleep
I was making a joke :|
he gets into chat debt, clearly it's habitual /j
🤔
I'm not used to being up that long either tbph, I still have a headache adapting to it, my own fault for getting so invested into the game though lol
it's like your skeleton whispering "GO TO SLEEP" as your bones tingle in confusion
Thats mirror using skelepathy to tell you to take care of yourself 
most certainly
I gotta watch the Pragmata vod at some point, Only caught like 30-40 minutes yesterday
what was it like 14 hours long and then some?
my brain is still swirling over where they could have possibly hidden the cosmetic they showed off in the demo
because it didn't show up through the normal playthrough that I noticed
maybe is a demo thing
i did not expect that game to be so short
might be a diana interaction completionist thing tbf
for the amount of money it requires tbh
there were some things skipped over, like the endgame thing that lets you explore the map, or newgame+ with lunatic, and the training levels, all optional stuff after rolling credits though.
I say skipped, incorrect use of the word.
does that mean more sea shanties today
last spoken was an idea by thor to effectively put it up to a non-channelpoints vote between windrose and dwarf fortress
I wonder if he has a recommended games queue somewhere
that list would be enormous
Not if it's kept to the ones he's confirmed he'll play at some point
I think the Mouse P.I game most likely.
Thor? probably his wishlist on steam
wouldn't confirmed mean that he's already playing it though
Nope
I don't follow sorry
Because he did say he'd eventually play Pipistrello on stream.
But that he has a lot of other games to get to first
it'll either be Dwarf Fortress or Mouse P.I
There will be a vote
Democracy you say 
I am super excited for said eventual pipistrello stream, though
It's a genuinely great game
DF might be fun but Mouse PI is hot rn amd might be better in terms of viewers
that'll be a minute i'd imagine. lots of games coming. Especially that new heroes of might and magic game Thor is hyped for.
S&box is also coming on the 28th.
So many games coming up dude
its like having many cakes, but you can only eat so much.
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Yes.
Hence why I wondered if he has a secret games queue somewhere
Yes, this game
he's awake!
Thor has awoken

Well, it means we have to scatter? Right
hes late chat
THOR IS 10 MINUTES LATE.
WE HAVE BEEN FORSAKEN!!! 
is there a mod or anything for dwarf fortress that allows twitch chat to be the dwarves?
Oh no, Mouse PI was scrubbed from the vote
do the dwarves even have names?
They have entire backstories
im also curious which version he is going to play

@silent compass
ACORMS
what crimes is kitty comitting
Does he know about the game "Worming From Home"
It's Wormin time
Here's your look at gameplay and more from Worming From Home in this announcement trailer for the upcoming simulation game. Be the Worm of Wall Street in this silly simulation game about working a remote finance job. Throw your spineless body around the keyboard to invest in the stock market and earn obscene amounts of money. Buy upgrades, train...
10/10 game
Okay yes he does
this is heartworming
It's worming it's way inside
they are also purple
Behold, my mushroom Hotspot. All my wood ear fungus keeps falling to the bottom.so only 3 types of mushrooms can be seen
What mushrooms did you use?
mini king oysters (the white ones split in half), Enoki (the long skinny white ones) Shimeji (the brown capped ones) and then wood ear fungus, which is all at the bottom
Seychelles flag
im sorry but new zeland is a failed nation for not having picked it.
lol i remember that
best flag ever
they can just hang it up for not going with that
I'd salute that flag
yeeh
sing the most aggressive national anthem to it
#answered-tts message
Oh good that's a relief
legit looking up new zealand's national anthem
all verses cause I'm a fan of the other 3 verses in the star spangled banner
from the cat game I mentioned:
this is what I thought of immediately
@warm osprey My tts was not a spoiler, don't worry
You may write me an angry letter if you think so later 
@primal sparrow your tts referred a "sword fight"... what kind of sword fight?
I don't think that was me 
No angry letters will be sent, I'll just ask that your name be taken off the door to the glue
room. 
Sorry, I kept getting distracted. I've never had any mushroom besides portobello (which I hate) so I had to look those up.
How did it all turn out, was it good? What did you use for the base of the hotpot?
I make hot pot like this pretty often. My base is chicken bullion powder, bonito powder, crushed garlic cloves and crushed fresh ginger + some rice wine vinegar. I just put the king oyater and shemiji in first, let them stew for a bit, then the wood ear and enoki and cabbage. Its quick, whole thing takes maybe 10min to cook in my little donabe clay pot. I toss in some chili oil after and it's good to go.
Im pretty sure red would say this
A hot pot place opened up near me. It's All You Can Eat and serves the non-meat stuff on a conveyer belt like a sushi place. It's brand new here and I'm waiting for the early rush/mess to die down before I try it
(not my photo)
my bad
clicked on the wrong channel and didnt realize xd
gamer look up
tis started
yeh xD
Yknow what, smash, with a hammer, next question
I installed keeperfx
the subtle convincing that i should play dwarf fortress has been intense lately
dead server
what is bro saying
i feel like shit
and people are shit
see
one shit person in this channel
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No need to tag him directly. The hobgoblins can take care if it no problem
k
Anyway, to change the topic. Chat, what are your predictions. Amount of PIGS submissions. Over under 200?
Over 200 with sub 1000 sign ups and over 4k participants
I would think around 20-ish% will be trolls or didnt read rules(no playable version), or non stream safe
cant forget malware
777 PIGS
someday ill do a game jam. maybe once im done with working in corporate america
5-7 years to go
for the fun of it i tried generating a 500 year old dwarf fortress world with max civilisation
it's interesting to see how the world rise and fall
Yeah
i don't feel like building anything at the moment. was very curious of why thor didn't want to make an old world
maybe i try adventure mode
Make the mine separate from the settlement to force the clowns onto the world while the dwarfs are safe 
thor said 'nooo' to the old worlds
When i played my old games i refused to release the clowns and just retired the place when it became the capital
I didn't expect the Dwarfs Fortress ost to go so hard today.
it's really nice
Might use it during work.
i love it when they burst into song
That was a great moment on stream too.
An original song from the Dwarf Fortress OST
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1:05 - Ilun Kinem!
Lyri...
they have the lyrics for those who didn't know
would you still play D&D with me after this?
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how do i make a world available for lore reading again? legend mode?
oh found it
Wow the thought he puts into his dwarves and optimising them.... i didn't think that hard 😅
looking at the stream i'm reminded how much i've forgotten dwarf fortress
I'm still amazed that there are still people who have thor living rent free in their head.
I have something for bread to watch in light of cursed images
Besides the Pepe cake anyway
Since the YouTube streams have a cut off and Twitch vods delete after 2 months, is there a way to watch old full length vods? Like a vod channel?
the dwarf fortress game seems to have many more new music added because i'm hearing tracks i've not heard 3 years ago
Probably because hes playing the steam version thats been updated from the original version
yeah i have the steam version too
there's even more music since i last touched it in 2023
ignore this, I am testing meme stuffs
hmm
Okay, how the heck do you hide a hyperlink?
nvm, got it
You can't don that here. Easy to scam someone with this. Could lead to malicious sites etc.
You know you can experiment and stuff in your own server. I do that all the time before posting.
Ahh that video is classic lol, but it is also nsfw so I need to remove it.
Please test this type of stuff in a private space
Apologies, i did end up making my own discord again for testing stuffs
its nsfw though?
It is, rewatch it XD but all good
I did watch it, but maybe im just dumb to it 😂
Wait the gregnant vid is nsfw?
I guess a few of the posts could fall into that
I thought its just a misspelling meme
The baby hurt top of his head bit lol
Ooooooooooh
I didnt see that one
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Amber Heard showed up in Kick chat to be weird
they cant even write the name correctly
Twitch chat cant stop loading for me
kill your browser entirely, then reload into twitch
what does that mean sorry?
close the browser down completely
if just refreshing/reloading the twitch tab isn't resolving it, close out the entire browser
and then if that doesn't work, clear the browser cache
Its still loading
clear your browser cache then
and if that doesn't work, dunno. something between you and the twitch chat services is borked.
Opening the stream in a totally different browser gives me an empty chat
Yeah somethings wrong
twitch is truly something
Is your chat loading?
perfectly, I was just memeing on the buch of errors the web has by defult
kick one
Twitch is just old. held up by glue and duct tape. tons of tech debt i'd imagine.
Maybe I'll try experiencing kick for a moment
Thursdays will be Kick exclusive streams. Also the chat is usually super chill.
compared to twitch
I think the only thing holding thor from switching to kick is many people have a point stockpile on twitch
theres a lot of people who still just wont touch kick at all
also a lot of people hate kick
no commands tho atm. As there's no nightbot. there is kickbot but its not setup
also very limited chat functions
I dont understand defending twitch like you are inheriting the company
but a much higher payrate from ads
from their past. they're improving big time. and twitch is getting worse and going in a bad direction.
also even if kick hadnt the fame it has, its hard to move fanbases between platforms
people just need to figure this out.
Kick has been known as the Nuisance Streamer platform even if those nuisance streamers have been banned
banned and partner removed btw
over 500
who is the most problematic streamer still on kick? clavicular?
exactly and they ban people forever
idk about any of that
from a new user pov kick kicks ass
discovery sucks, but the backend is solid
rumble gives me bad rmtp nodes all the time
youtube's copyright system sucks
and twitch won't save VoDs in the "DJ" category because reasons...
kick is the best of the bunch atm in terms of usability for me
yeh is still scuffed but is the less bad of the three
including people who self exposed themselves with Csam on their pc
same people that got only banned on twitch for a month
"youtube's copyright system sucks"
blame Viacom for that.
yes its improved a lot since that lawsuit, but it still sucks. Viacom scared the shit out of Youtube/Google.
we scared it
you moved to kick so it started working.
it'll break again i bet
Also. Twitch and kick chats are both IRC chat. how does Twitch chat break, but kick chat is fine???
tf is twitch doing
needs more duct tape clearly
No idea
But I have a kick account now
I love that club beat kick at gifted subs lol
I am on tv xD
also subs and bits are cheaper than twitch
at least for me
streamer gets more
this is actually so wholesome (Art the clown actor proposed to his girlfriend in full costume) : https://fxtwitter.com/TerrorActo_/status/2045799680898965918
David Howard Thornton, Art the Clown en la saga TERRIFIER, le pide matrimonio a su novia disfrazado del personaje.
Does the channel point TTS need to be done during ads tk work?
they go into a queue that he can play from with a button press
do !tts on the twitch chat to get the explanation
no. it works the same as bits/kicks tts. Thor will hit a button on his Streamdeck and the tts will play through Streamer.bot and Speaker.bot
And get posted in discord
one thing that might be useful for chat is a list of games thor already played
Does Twitch chat not have mods?
Or is my UI bugging out?
Thor self moderates chat now
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anotherone got got
@viscid kraken #streamchat message could you handle this?
Make a #mod-ticket instead of attempting to ping mods directly please
pinging khronos when he is no longer employed as a mod is certainly a choice....
i mean, he may not have known... still does not excuse the fact that he could have checked if he was there first before pinging in the first place...and also the fact there is a thing for mod tickets for a reason.
Wait Khronos isnt lead mod anymore?
khronos isn't even a mod anymore
let alone lead mod
only 1 mod left
so instead of "mods can't have bread" it is now singular noun mod
Wait really? When did that happen?
apparently 2 days ago? not sure exactly
Wait no mods? What happened? Unable to pay to keep the moderation?
Is that why so many people just live rent free and spam hate?
Does this mean we get to eat the hobgoblins?
oh yea this game
IIRC, some of the mods got harassed and doxxed. So probably that.
yeah thats also true
I think they've actually been gone for a while and people only noticed recently.
well thor will arrange things appropiately
we should try and dont give them more work than they already have
in general
I've definitely seen jake, maggie and khronos as mods in the past few weeks, so it's a new development
Sorry bud, not much I can do here but seems a hobgoblin caught it 
I took immediately psychic damage upon seeing that. 
you are welcome ^^
The amount of trauma that image causes is well worth the potential financial loss
I pray for the joke they used a replica
hehehehe
Excellent
it's 250 (249) ...
More dwarf fortress i see
At one point i started building rooms near the stairs vertically because it takes forever for them to reach their apartments
and what went wrong
Nothing went wrong with the setup thankfully
oh
So every floor has a bunch of apartments near the main stairs instead of one living quarters room
the simple answer would be that werebeasts had quick access to all of them just going in a line but that was always going to be an issue
Ah i turned off were beasts
The last time i had that my game froze and crashed from too much chaos. A death spiral
:0
Since my pc can't handle it and i didn't want to, the werebeasts were off
I didn't know about this either. I don't think many people are aware
Yeah i didn't know it until today
he regained the right to eat bread always
I like my lava pump system a lot. The initial attempts were dangerous but it pays off
The vertical pump
Yes
Yes i did
Because the world didn't generate a volcano that wasn't a bad terrain
It had only one volcano or something lol
It's wonderful work of engineering though, T stacking all those pumps
There's a very specific method to stack the pumps in a way that acts as a support pillar to prevent cave ins. It's an alternating T pump system
note from stream: Thor closed the bridge to stop children from talking to fey in the woods. 1. A man escaped containment before it clsoed. 2. A second man got crushed under the bridge somehow.
Amazing
Truly dwarf society at work there
Do Crossbows finally work? when i last played they had a huge problem reloading
aaah the religion problem. one of my fortress i started making 3x3 spaces of every single god in the game all in one mega temple
it was a lot of gods. so anyone with whatever niche god they want just look for the correct statue in the mega temple complex and pray there
anyone have a source for the Bezos face?
I think it might be pinned in #thorchan ? Not sure
a
Oh he's building on the surface?
It's really tricky so eventually i left the surface almost untouched. Just dig into a hill and then make the market there
The bridge also being my door to the civilization
So many dwarves sick from sun sickness
Now real life mushrooms
ass man returns with a veangance
the moment I posted it the sound got of <.<



