opinions on rank reset

[urban pumice]

good!

[lost basin]

Ok

[manic token]

reset

[raven ivy]

do it

[summer plaza]

no

[lost basin]

reset when arno NC🔥🔥

[inland schooner]

reset sounds good to me

[woven umbra]

No please sini nooooooooooo noooo

[vocal umbra]

Do it. Maybe a for the higher tiers you could have like a s3 gm complete or s3 astra complete like the formal celestial

[woven umbra]

[urban pumice]

Reset

And remove popcorn

!

(not pgti)

[mild quiver]

reset!

[chrome sage]

reset

[rough dome]

ETA on new benchmarks?

[inland schooner]

[simple scroll]

No ETA

but what we will be doing probably is start testing it early

so we make it open beta

[rough dome]

ooh

i was gonna ask if I can test out too

[simple scroll]

and have everyone be able to give their thoughts before we do the actual release

[mild quiver]

like you guys did before we settled with the current ones

[simple scroll]

yes

[rough dome]

I think a rank reset would be good but we could also have a "Previous Season" rank

[mild quiver]

that would be a lot of hazzle Jinzu

[simple scroll]

Sadly this would not be possible

[solid spindle]

rank reset means everyone starts from scratch or do you use other benchmarks then?

[simple scroll]

Too many ranks

[rough dome]

ah

yeah that would clutter discord

maybe like

[woven umbra]

[simple scroll]

There's a role limit

[rough dome]

a doc?

[mild quiver]

ew

movement scenarios belong to sparky

[simple scroll]

Doc no, maybe at some point with integration we could have previous rank displayed on a webpage or something

[chrome sage]

movement aim benchies???? 😱

[woven umbra]

Sparky

[urban pumice]

Sini will the amount of scenarios be the same?

[rough dome]

like a ranked doc or spreadsheet listing everyone that had rank at that season

[simple scroll]

Movement benchmarks are indeed going to be tested out

[solid spindle]

rank reset means all in discord would be iron until they proof otherwise?

[urban pumice]

Yes

[simple scroll]

all discord would be unranked

[solid spindle]

lets fkn gooo

[simple scroll]

not iron

[chrome sage]

sini

[zenith spoke]

just got master why are you doing this

[urban pumice]

Do it again

[chrome sage]

is there an estimated release date

for the benchmarks

?

[simple scroll]

nice should be easy to get again!

[urban pumice]

Or for the beta?

[small gale]

RANK RESET SO GOOD

[rough dome]

pin the no ETA

[mild quiver]

truste can get out of plat already lets go

[small gale]

i hope i can make it

4real4real

[solid spindle]

i hope this only apply on aim rank, i want to keep europe

[chrome sage]

[small gale]

check my recent yt vid btw

rly nice score

[chrome sage]

is this a voltaic platinum talking???

time to ego

[lost junco]

imo some things like voxts are not balanced and are way easier to get a rank in than in other tasks

[solid spindle]

i hope i reach plat soon

[raven ivy]

Aslong as u get the season out without more delays we all happy

[mild quiver]

this is the plat chat

[simple scroll]

Stay tuned

[lost junco]

Sini are the scenarios gonna change?

[simple scroll]

Some will some wont

[mild quiver]

season 4 is coming just as fast as the anti cheat was rolled out by kovaaks

[drowsy pumice]

I'm neutral on this one

[tardy crow]

I am super excited for a fresh start

[raven ivy]

Pls tell me u removed 6 sphere

[simple scroll]

Idk about that

even if it is, it can be just tuned score wirse

wise

and it differs per person

which ones they struggle with or find easier

[soft thicket]

Why you bullying me.

[simple scroll]

Yep that will be replaced

[raven ivy]

I LOVE U SINI

[lost junco]

m2

[raven ivy]

[soft thicket]

Just in time for my skypad

[inland schooner]

I agree on a handful of the jade scores being easier than diamond

[raven ivy]

Make air harder, its too ez

[safe fern]

I think a reset every now and then is a good thing, maybe people that stopped training would have a reason to come back again

[inland schooner]

[lost junco]

@raven ivy NO BRO ITS TOO HARD

i hope ur joking

[urban pumice]

Vouch

[raven ivy]

Air is ez

[soft thicket]

Make fuglaa flick faster

[raven ivy]

Remove fuglaa :3

[soft thicket]

It is ez

[mild quiver]

fuglaa is fun

[raven ivy]

Said no one ever

[soft thicket]

I am 🐕 shit at fuglaa, just joking

[mild quiver]

smoothbot is smooth

[raven ivy]

Fuglaa is just played cuz its ez af compared to gp n air

[simple scroll]

Yep that's also going

[inland schooner]

replace fuglaa with a harder aa4 and repalce aa4 with controlsphere 😈

[raven ivy]

OMG

Yes

Make a hard bench sini

Air v2

[small gale]

❤️

[raven ivy]

Yessss

[lost junco]

i hope this comes soon

because im gonna start maining kvk

[raven ivy]

That would be nice ngl

[inland schooner]

can I get confirmation on whether or not popcorn is staying? 🥺 please don't remove it!

[raven ivy]

Yeet that bs xd

[inland schooner]

[raven ivy]

Fred u a psycho if u enjoy popcorn xd

[inland schooner]

smoothness main 😍

[simple scroll]

Maybe, maybe not

[urban pumice]

Pop should go 100%

[soft thicket]

Popcorn

[raven ivy]

I stutter like a junky

[inland schooner]

reactive main 😍

[vocal umbra]

I know there's no eta but is it coming within the next monthish?

[soft thicket]

Sini, we need more scenarios for smoothness but without unreal flicks

[mild quiver]

Popcorn should stay

is the scen where I get lucky and push scores higher than my skill

[simple scroll]

huh?

[raven ivy]

Play hard popcorn than come back

[soft thicket]

Smoothbot is enjoyable to play, maybe something similar instead of fuglaa

[mild quiver]

so make popcorn harder

sweet

[simple scroll]

fuglaa is not in precision cjski

it's in reactive

[raven ivy]

And remove bad designs like the bot crashing into you…

[topaz tendon]

you reset my rank im killing myself

🥲

took me ages to get plat

like 90 hours or smthn

[tardy crow]

Sini are there any changes to pasu?

[inland schooner]

you will get your rank again very quickly

[simple scroll]

not appropriate flight dont make jokes about self harm pls

[tardy crow]

I understand if you cant answer rn

[topaz tendon]

Sorry

mb

[raven ivy]

Gotta pay unans again for boosting

[simple scroll]

but I get it you are against it

[topaz tendon]

Could it be an option to reset ur rank maybe ?

[simple scroll]

that's why this thread exists, so you guys can give your opinions

[topaz tendon]

like a button

[soft thicket]

Roger, sry but I haven't done benchmarks in a while

[raven ivy]

Take opinion from master n up pls

[inland schooner]

I think that would be fine

[simple scroll]

I'm taking everyone's opinion in consideration viki

[solid spindle]

@simple scroll will this also reset my kovaaks leaderboard rank?

[simple scroll]

no

[tardy crow]

I think everyone can give valuable input

[raven ivy]

Ik we just do a bit of tomfoolery

[simple scroll]

I think it would kill the point of resetting

If it's not for everyone

[tardy crow]

yea

[topaz tendon]

yeh ig

[simple scroll]

Part of the fun is that everyone starts from scratch

[topaz tendon]

just people grinded like 3k hours to get GM or whatever and they theyre reset lol

[simple scroll]

And people race for the higher ranks

[topaz tendon]

it would be interesting yes

[simple scroll]

It's not like they lose their skill

[topaz tendon]

but i have like 100 hours and this is my LB rn

[raven ivy]

I mean the survey shows it pretty clearly that most ppl (so far) are for a reset so i highly doubt it wont happeb

[topaz tendon]

benchmark rather

took me 100 hours

[simple scroll]

We had a rank reset before, and people got their ranks back easily

Many people actually improved

[raven ivy]

Its no big thing @topaz tendon its a discord rank nothing more

[exotic hedge]

Rank reset would be pog

[summer plaza]

Hmm…

[simple scroll]

but anywany

[summer plaza]

Although I’m biased because I don’t want to grind

[simple scroll]

I'm just gauging opinions

[summer plaza]

I think it’s good

[tardy crow]

Yea it was a really good experience for me personally

[topaz tendon]

I cant consistently hit play scores, lot of em i got lucky so like will still take me ages to get them back

[inland schooner]

I'd feel a little bad for the helpers going through rank submissions if there's a full reset

but I would still like it to happen

[tardy crow]

I wonder how many helpers there are

[woven umbra]

Well it happened before, it was fine

[tardy crow]

sini do you know the answer?

[ripe cove]

do it

[lost junco]

^

[rough dome]

yeah rank reset would encourage people to keep playing

if they want their ranks back

keeps them from getting complacent

(totally not me when I reached master)

[summer plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-anger-pixar-inside-out-aaah-gif-5628546

nova complete grind again

[rough dome]

personally for me rank reset would make me wanna keep grinding

[urban pumice]

koopa you gotta go for astra

[soft thicket]

It makes me wonder what's the point of resetting ranks in discord if leaderboards stays the same? Maybe instead we should keep going with seasons and give ranks to people for example. Master s03 and going forward keep maximum of 3 ranks on each person.. I get it is an extra work but maybe it could be considered going forward.. surely there are bots out there which could help manage this

[summer plaza]

Yeah F static

[urban pumice]

maybe

they will make ranks

for flexible

so for example if you have over 10+ scores

[simple scroll]

leaderboards for our scenarios would not stay the same

[urban pumice]

you get the rank even if you dont have a score in a subcat

[summer plaza]

ew

[raven ivy]

We can only hope they dont cater the static target goals to tacfps mains

Static 💤💤

[summer plaza]

tacfps main and still can’t static

[urban pumice]

static isnt even the best cat for tacfps

[random moth]

not a fucking score increase again 😔

[lost junco]

what tasks reperesnts tac fps most

[raven ivy]

Idc aslong as static doesnt get more buffed, its dumb hard as is

[simple scroll]

good news everything will be buffed 💪

[summer plaza]

dynamic clicking 😅

[random moth]

^

[urban pumice]

air angelic @restive light

[summer plaza]

no

[urban pumice]

im sorry

aa4

[raven ivy]

B180 🧀

[simple scroll]

air ufo 10x hard is best for tac fps

[woven umbra]

Agree

[random moth]

real

[soft thicket]

Can you explain if you mean target size speed or what

[simple scroll]

everythign

[summer plaza]

it’s still static

[urban pumice]

@simple scroll

opinion on that ?

[summer plaza]

I think static is best represented by tacfps players but it’s not the best fkr tacFPS

[simple scroll]

agreed to an extent

[raven ivy]

Remove static as a bench since its the aim skill that translates the least and is p much usless

[simple scroll]

No.

[random moth]

static mains 🤢

[simple scroll]

Ok I gotta run

keep the opinions flowing

[tardy crow]

Bye sini!

[woven umbra]

Sini running for chicken

[topaz tendon]

id get bronze scores again if they where reset

no cap

[subtle otter]

Nerv miner

[random moth]

just got my first master score on no crosshair that score not even gonna be Jade anymore

😔 ✊

[lost junco]

im gonnna be gold lmao

[lime cipher]

As long as i get to keep my rank, i grind games now not kvks. Would be a waste of time to grind for the same kvks rank again. My aim is good enough as is

[solid spindle]

why grind games? just enjoy them 😄

[raven ivy]

Are you the prince everyone is talking about? Lmao it gets reset for everyone or none

[urban pumice]

no

mf is advocating for "former gmc"

lmao

[lime cipher]

I came in bere to give an opinion, not get dogged on

Its an opinion

Dont reset it for anyone. They kept ranks from s1 to s2

Thats my vote

[raven ivy]

Nothing says i cant reply and why do you care so much about your discord rank if u dont play aim trainers anyway?

[lime cipher]

I want to keep the rank i earned

[urban pumice]

then

you want

"former gmc"

[raven ivy]

Vote on the reactions in #announcements if u havent

[urban pumice]

right ?

[lime cipher]

Sure why not

[soft thicket]

This is what I suggested

[woven umbra]

Thats not happening

[urban pumice]

why not

maybe not gmc

[woven umbra]

Too many tiles

Roles

[urban pumice]

because many people have it

but

former nova

or nova c ?

since being nova is really hard

[raven ivy]

Former celestial is enough, we dont live in the past

And so many roles exist anyway

[inland schooner]

the thing is if all the score are buffed you might not even be gmc anymore

[woven umbra]

If you can get nova once you can get it again

So its useless

[lime cipher]

I would like to keep the rank that i earned and not have to regrind kvks instead of valorant, sorry if you disagree, it is my opinion :)

[urban pumice]

yeah thats why the "former" is there bozo

[urban pumice]

the thing is your rank doesnt mean anything

[raven ivy]

Ill message you on reset day

[inland schooner]

yea but we know this isn't happening so the alternative is to just leave the role

[urban pumice]

nah

im advocating for it to happen

[carmine marsh]

should i start from the bottom or immediately start jade

[lime cipher]

Dunno why ppl triggered off of an opinion

[urban pumice]

not for gmc

[lime cipher]

Its an opinion

[soft thicket]

Some people don't grind as much anymore

[urban pumice]

but for nova +

[hexed crystal]

I couldn't even hit gold this season

[urban pumice]

esp for astra

[inland schooner]

you would start where benches tell you

[rigid quarry]

If scenarios will be fully changed ofc it's needed to be reset. If only some score fixes, maybe no then.

[lost basin]

my opinion for rank reset: remove smoothbot ts

🥶

[urban pumice]

nobody is gettin triggered were just having an argument my friend !

[ripe cove]

and bounce

[soft thicket]

No lol

[limpid glen]

You can’t be upset for the rank roles of you never have one 🤔

[inland schooner]

fuglaa and 6 sphere are going 😍

[hexed crystal]

Agreed

[lime cipher]

Its my trophy

[raven ivy]

If u look at that ratio and im p sure it will continue like this its gonna get reset 1000000000%

[urban pumice]

ok then ss it

[ripe cove]

😭

[lime cipher]

Id rather keep my role

[raven ivy]

@urban pumice whats ur trophy 😍🥵

[urban pumice]

well

[inland schooner]

[urban pumice]

you can put a link of the ss on your bio

[timid iris]

I hope we get some type of small target tracking scen like extra controlsphere. I would love a scen that mimics long range tracking in games

[ornate lark]

im relatively new so if a reset means new scenarios then that’d be fire, nothing wrong with the current ones it’d just be more engaging

[timid iris]

all of the current tracking scens have huge models

except pgti

[lime cipher]

why cant i have the opinion to keep ranks

Why arent i allowed

[lost basin]

it makes no sense

[urban pumice]

you are allowed

[raven ivy]

U can but we also can comment on it

Thats the world

[urban pumice]

im just disagreeing with you

[lime cipher]

Alright then ima leave it at that and keep studying for my exam

[soft thicket]

[urban pumice]

good for you!

[raven ivy]

Way better choice anyway

[lost basin]

🔥

[inland schooner]

good luck

[ripe cove]

another day in voltaic general

[limpid glen]

[lost basin]

keep this to Opinions on rank reset please!

[urban pumice]

[grave inlet]

I don't think we should because I've grinded ranks three times due to resets already and don't feel like doing it yet again 🤣

[inland schooner]

legend is cooler anyway!

[carmine marsh]

Rank reset is fine because if you are good enough getting rank back is easy

i've never seen my score drop

[soft thicket]

I changed my mousepad, it wont be easy

[inland schooner]

💀

[carmine marsh]

in the long run kind

[grave inlet]

I just don't see the point honestly. Many people move on to other games and simply aren't going to put in the time to truly get their best rank again. Yea it'll be easy to hit a rank below your best, but truly hitting your best is a grind and a lot of OGs aren't gonna do it again. I've been here since Sparky and I've seen a lot of people become less active after resets.

[carmine marsh]

not short term

[rancid totem]

reset that shi

[urban pumice]

legend

is cool af

[rancid totem]

Maybe sini you should put rank(season)

[inland schooner]

can't

role limit

[lost basin]

the point is to make changes to the current benchmarks and provide a new challenge to returning aimers; a race to get higher scores

[rancid totem]

a

b

[urban pumice]

only for gmc +

i dont think so

[lost basin]

im jp i just want 6sphere out of here

[vital radish]

yes

[urban pumice]

its just not convenient

[lost basin]

me and 6sphere have beef so i want him gone

[lime cipher]

A race to higher scores? U sure this dc isnt for self improvement and the journey to getting better and being proud of coming far

[lost basin]

im joking

[inland schooner]

sini confirmed 6 sphere is removed

[urban pumice]

6 sphere

is free

[lost basin]

exactly the issue

🔥

[weak trellis]

remove static :D

[lost basin]

^ 😍

[urban pumice]

the scenarios that should get removed are : popcorn, 6sphere, fuglaa, psalmts, b180t, smoothbot ts

[weak trellis]

fuglaa ?

[lost basin]

cynide certified

[ripe cove]

FR??

[weak trellis]

fuglaa is fun :(

[urban pumice]

fuglaa

isnt even

[ripe cove]

and b180

[lost basin]

not a good bench

[urban pumice]

a reactivity scen

[lost basin]

for reactive

[urban pumice]

no b180 is fine

[limpid glen]

Tbh if it’s a new season of benchmarks, why not just reset the ranks regardless. New seasons, new ranks ya know

[urban pumice]

youre just bad

[ripe cove]

it is literally

useless

[lost basin]

thats the idea

[inland schooner]

6 sphere and fuglaa gone, popcorn was maybe

[urban pumice]

not exactly

[ripe cove]

yes exactly lol

[urban pumice]

completely

ok

!

[weak trellis]

Fuglaa :(

[urban pumice]

i think

instead of popcorn

[weak trellis]

did they remove gauntlets ?

[urban pumice]

a small version of pasu

of like oochlick hs

should be added

[raven ivy]

By b180t?????

[urban pumice]

or some shit like that

[raven ivy]

Best evasive

[ripe cove]

im literally just not even going to discuss this people dont stay moving in the same direction for the whole match

[raven ivy]

By faaaar

[lost basin]

idk how youd want to keep your previous season benchmark rank if there are completely new benchmarks added/changed that would invalidate your previous rank 🔥

[urban pumice]

kin ts

is like 1839x better

than the rest

[raven ivy]

Thats so trash

[ripe cove]

ok but can we talk about sinits

[urban pumice]

no

[raven ivy]

B180t is fun af to play

[urban pumice]

kints is the only decent evasive

[lost basin]

sinits 😍😍

[raven ivy]

No cuz aimlab bad

[ripe cove]

deranged mind

[urban pumice]

b180t

[raven ivy]

The visuals are horrid

[urban pumice]

is a bad scenario

objectively

as a benchmark

[raven ivy]

Its sure fun af to play tho xd

[urban pumice]

well

[ripe cove]

just you

[urban pumice]

^

i like b180

but b180t

is too much

[raven ivy]

Well air is my fav bench so ig my taste is odd

[coral terrace]

it's so bad

[urban pumice]

its not

many people like air

[ripe cove]

pasuuuuu my beloveeed

[urban pumice]

and gpv

[inland schooner]

i agree it's fun but i think kints is the only good evasive

[raven ivy]

Gpv can suck one

[urban pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/pasu-beloved-voltaic-aim-training-pasu-voltaic-gif-23396841

[lost basin]

gpv is fine air is ☹️

[ripe cove]

me

[chrome sage]

[urban pumice]

me too

[chrome sage]

false

[urban pumice]

pasu

[ripe cove]

[urban pumice]

is objectively the best dynamic scenario

[chrome sage]

patts

😍

[urban pumice]

and it should remain as is

[raven ivy]

Anything better than p pcorn

[ripe cove]

pattargetclick 😻

[urban pumice]

(with acc scoring )

[rancid totem]

Hear me out dawg it’s not a bad thing that not (as) many people are ranked

[urban pumice]

maybe they should add

a more evasive

dynamic clicking scenario

[lost junco]

so 6 sphere is gone

which means

[rancid totem]

fax

[lost basin]

nah just add regen small dot target switching

[lost junco]

new scen is gonna be tile frenzy mini

[urban pumice]

like the pasu

on aimbeast

[raven ivy]

Fuglaaa and 6 sphere is gone, sini confirmed

Popcorn most likely gets yeeted by the way sini commented

But not confirmed

[urban pumice]

psr

instead of popcorn

100% better

[inland schooner]

no!

[ripe cove]

i find it funny how b180t is in evasive when the targets literally just jump

[urban pumice]

yeah

and also in kints

targets just move

in one direction

mostly

[ripe cove]

and smoothbot ts

[urban pumice]

same with smoothbot ts

the "evasive"

[ripe cove]

lets not talk about that

[chrome sage]

smoothbotts dogshit

[ripe cove]

evasive is by fart

far

the worst

category

out of them all

[urban pumice]

is about the fact that it takes time to kill them

yeah

actually

static is

kin ts

is good

[raven ivy]

If static wouldbt exist

[ripe cove]

well static

is really just p much all the same

[lost basin]

static clicking

[raven ivy]

Trash 24/7

[ripe cove]

v hard to go wrong on static

[lost basin]

dynamic clicking 🥶

[inland schooner]

opinions on rank reset

[urban pumice]

dynamic is my favoring cat

[ripe cove]

same but only because of pasu

the other 2 suck ass

[urban pumice]

justinn

[raven ivy]

Reactive on top

[urban pumice]

apart from pasu scens

what else do you like

in the dynamic clicking area ?

[ripe cove]

mss insanity raspberry

that is it

oh wait

uhmmmmmmmmm

ochclick

[urban pumice]

yeah

[raven ivy]

Super fun

[ripe cove]

and patcircleclick

[urban pumice]

i like oochclick as well

[raven ivy]

Psalm angelic click 30%

[ripe cove]

also v good yea

[urban pumice]

thats just for practice

[raven ivy]

Yes but fun

[ripe cove]

if smoothbot ts

doesnt get removed

im becoming a racist

[raven ivy]

No way it stays

[lost junco]

im still voting for tile frenzy to be added

[native quail]

🚼

[ripe cove]

li8ke actually

there is no way

anyone with over 4 iq

says that smoothbot ts should stay

[urban pumice]

360 spawning

very good !

[inland schooner]

[rancid totem]

next benchmarks are going to be harder than the current ones right

[inland schooner]

sini said everything is getting buffed, yeah

[gleaming pagoda]

LETS GO!!

[ornate nimbus]

any info when 4s will be released? o:

[gleaming pagoda]

Probably this year

maybe

[inland schooner]

no ETA as of yet

[reef venture]

I can never not advocate for the idea that gauntlet scenarios shouldnt be a thing

make the gauntlet scenarios normal length scens

ez

[inland schooner]

I like gauntlets

[dim sierra]

man just hit us with a triple negative

[lost junco]

^^^^

[reef venture]

air and gpv are the last two scens I always need to rank up and they take way more time committment to improve than the other scenarios

[urban pumice]

the only problem with gauntlets

is the scoring

[reef venture]

the only reason they take more time is there are more targets to practice on

idk I really think its a time thing

if they made the other scen also a gauntlet atleast itd make sense

[lost junco]

or just reduce health and

[urban pumice]

if you reduce the health

rng

[reef venture]

how is that rng

[urban pumice]

becomes a problem

[reef venture]

rng is a myth

[inland schooner]

[urban pumice]

No its not

[reef venture]

rng is only a problem for people going for high scores, and the point of the scens are to improve and shouldnt be catered for players who push for top 5

[urban pumice]

Rng

[reef venture]

anyways, a high score run could be invalidated on the terms of s tier rng anyways

[urban pumice]

Not always

But yeah

[reef venture]

no I mean if they make this change it could be

idk rng doesnt matter as far as long term aim training an improvement are concerned

[urban pumice]

Esp in ts rng

Makes an impact

[reef venture]

okay well you dont practice ts for the high score though

[urban pumice]

What does practice have to do

[reef venture]

id honestly rather them change the scoring requirements for ranks than ever have rng impact the way they choose scens

[urban pumice]

With the benchmarks?

[reef venture]

just make it so you have to get the same score three times for it to count

solves rng problem

[cyan void]

dont reset!

[raven ivy]

I agree with whatever hasin says

[urban pumice]

That is kinda stupid

[raven ivy]

[cyan void]

LOL

[reef venture]

reset would only be at the start of next voltaic season anyways and its TBD

[cyan void]

helpers will get overwhelmed with apps

[inland schooner]

[cyan void]

or reset and only allow bronze-diamond submissions for the first few weeks or w.e 🙂

[inland schooner]

decent solution

[lost junco]

this is not a bad idea

imo

[lost basin]

celestial on the first day (top 3)

🥶

[reef venture]

wot

[wintry kelp]

if it does happen will i be able to keep my scores and use them again if the scenario is the same or will i have to grind again?

prob the ladder but i just thought id ask

[lucid hatch]

Latter

[rancid totem]

I see the point with people not coming back to grinding for same rank again tho

but then again it’s just how ranks work

[wintry kelp]

yeah you have a point

but i will be able to get my scores back

i believe in myself

[urban pumice]

Not coming back to grind for the rank

[inland schooner]

💪

[urban pumice]

Means you dont care

[wintry kelp]

true

[urban pumice]

So you wouldnt care for the rank

[rancid totem]

but cyanide it could lead to people just stop coming by the server as much

the thing is that not a lot of ppl play kovaaks as their main game

[wintry kelp]

same as resets in fps games aswell

[rancid totem]

so you will grind for radiant again next act but will you grind for new master?

[urban pumice]

So if they dont play kovaaks as their main game

[rancid totem]

prolly not as many will

[urban pumice]

Why would they care about their rank

[rancid totem]

because it’s internet points

[urban pumice]

If they dont care about the game?

[rancid totem]

same reason people care about anything

[urban pumice]

Well being washed

[rancid totem]

radiant is an internet point it’s meaningless

[urban pumice]

Is even worse

[rancid totem]

people still grind

[urban pumice]

Like having a gm role

[inland schooner]

I think more people will come back to get old ranks than are currently pushing for new ranks

lots of people get the role they want and stop

[rancid totem]

I’m not saying ranks shouldn’t reset I’m just sayin the cons

[lost basin]

do the benchmark ldbs get reset too

[silver thorn]

People will come back and play just as much if not more

Happened last time

[lost basin]

id assume so

[inland schooner]

I think so

[urban pumice]

Ofc

[silver thorn]

There was new benches

[urban pumice]

Its refreshing for everyone

[rancid totem]

that’s the best outcome of course

that more ppl come

[urban pumice]

If the benches are better

More people will come

[silver thorn]

They will

[urban pumice]

Yeah

Maybe even old good players

Will come back

[rancid totem]

more benches could lead to more content produced

or will

[urban pumice]

Yeah

[rancid totem]

which will get some new ones in

[urban pumice]

There will be hype

For the top players

Matty will be #1😍

[rancid totem]

they should make an iron or plastic rank

[urban pumice]

No

They should remove all ranks below

[rancid totem]

so that the absolute noobs actually get put in a category

[urban pumice]

Diamond

[gleaming pagoda]

Dude I want to be plastic

[urban pumice]

But its not gonna happen

[inland schooner]

Cynide take 😴

[rancid totem]

but

[urban pumice]

Yeah

[rancid totem]

it’s off putting

to nobs

[urban pumice]

I figured you were gonna day that

When i saw you typing lmao

Its the og cynide take

And my best one

[lost basin]

remove below gold 😱

[urban pumice]

Yet

Then euph

[lost basin]

and put jade on easy benches 😱

[urban pumice]

Isnt gonna be gold complete?

[urban pumice]

That must happen for sure

[lost basin]

gc isnt below gold cynide

[urban pumice]

But im thinking that they might take a page out of the ra book

[lost basin]

easy int hard benches ☹️☹️

[urban pumice]

And make the benches more complicated

With more categories

And stuff like that

[rancid totem]

that’s not necessarily good

[urban pumice]

Its not

For me

But it is

In general

For the growth of the server

[rancid totem]

no why

[urban pumice]

Because

Well

[rancid totem]

because a nob will not do a doctorate in target switching to get gold completed

?

[urban pumice]

Participation culture

[inland schooner]

I think you're on a different page val

[silver thorn]

It's not that deep lol

[rancid totem]

we are not participationists

[urban pumice]

Well

Its good

[rancid totem]

cyanide is not a marketer

[urban pumice]

For business

Whos cyanide?

[lost basin]

we are filling out a spreadsheet based on a score in an aimtrainer and forming an ego about it

dont overthink it

[inland schooner]

damn right i am!

[urban pumice]

Ploob

Do you know how many kids

Grind

[lost basin]

cynide (jade)

[urban pumice]

For silver and gold

For some reason

[lost basin]

improvement is a weird drug

[rancid totem]

they don’t play enough if they grind for that

[urban pumice]

(ego)

[inland schooner]

not true

people will grind for a sense of accomplishment regardless of whether they get a discord role

but a discord role is a nice prize for some

[urban pumice]

^

[lost basin]

sometimes the role is the only incentive 😱

[inland schooner]

true but there's nothing wrong with that

[lost basin]

🔥

[rancid totem]

internet points gives that dopamine

[raven ivy]

if the ranks aren't getting changed much, and people will still get the same rank in regard to their overall skill, just keep the old rank

[coral glade]

if it wont change much everyone who deserves their rank should be easily able to get back though, right?

[coarse brook]

reset ranks. this color sucks

[coral glade]

Maybe people reached a certain rank that they want, a certain level of aim, but once they got there, they stopped grinding it and actually got a bit worse. Could freshen up some of my tracking skills having to get back to my rank

xD

[rancid totem]

the ranks would need to be harder for it to make sense

[coral glade]

that message was gone quickly lol

[coral glade]

disagree. why?

[rancid totem]

because what’s the point if you get your rank back in 20 minutes

[coral glade]

you wont

[rancid totem]

why not keep the old benchmarks at that point

[coral glade]

at least if youre above like gold

[rancid totem]

they shouldn’t be insanely hard but

a little progression

[coarse brook]

if i got my rank back in 20 minutes i would cry

[coral glade]

Tell me to get every one of the jade scores back within the first day

I wont make it

Idk what you on. and even if I would there would be absolutely nothing bad about it

[flat falcon]

with the original ones from sparky to voltaic ones for season 2/3 the rank reset was huge since the scenarios were just different and a lot harder in a way but that also could be because they were different and I got grandmaster then for a little I was stuck with jade and master scores with only like half gm and it was pretty good to grind again since it actually required like skill to get back up fast, it will just mean more grinding and more skill requirement for players tbh. The good players get back fast and the not as good players that are "peeking/hitting blocks" will need to grind again and it will allow them to improve even more and if they go back to the old ones then they can probably get a higher rank instantly after only a week showing instant improvement.
If a rank reset doesn't happen then it means that players don't need to grind if they are content with where they are but it also means people will be playing them less and less improvement (the entire point of all of this) won't be happening even for some of the best aimers at least in my opinion.

Also for the point @rancid totem for them to be harder to be better isn't quite true since just the change of scenarios entirely means they will be harder since you won't have 10s to hundreds of hours on each section on those specific ones and requirements to grind again will be a necessity making them hard again and allowing improvement

[rancid totem]

I get it

[flat falcon]

Anyone that wants to talk about anything I said please ping me I wanna talk :)

[rancid totem]

making them different can also be considered making them harder tho

[coral glade]

I couldnt agree more with that statement, sorry for not starting a conversation about it but I feel I'd have to disagree with something but I just dont

Oh yeah neon I once called you a hacker indirectly

lmaoo

[severe fossil]

Reset ranks, because aim is still gradually progressing it looks pretty straight forward that nova from s1 is considerably easier to current nova

[flat falcon]

??? when why LMAO

[flat falcon]

wdym by that last part "nova from s1"?

[coral glade]

grinded for beants I think, together with Cap for leaderboards and WR. He eventually got WR but when he was 2nd he said "man i just cant beat him" so I looked at your score and the accuracy was stupidly high so I said maybe that guys a cheater hahahaha

[flat falcon]

oh yeah that one

I remember seeing that

[raven ivy]

what the point of reset? to prove who's "actually good?" if the rank are still distributed to be similar, than people's skill are still the same new scenario or not. We've already reset rank once, and that was because everything about the rank changed. What makes this time worthy of such reset again? it gets annoying needing to cheese scenarios again to "prove" you are still just as good

[severe fossil]

nova rank from season 1 of sparky benchmarks

[coral glade]

instantly like 5 ppl swarming in "THATS LITTERALLY NEON" xD

it was equally embarrasing and funny

[silver thorn]

Ascended (top3) on voxts from season 1 is nova now. Just as an example

[flat falcon]

oh yeah I redid some of those since i had the old benchmark and I was getting like astra scores on tracking stuff like 2nd try barely even trying but I'm pretty sure that's because those are meant for people aiming years ago and not now obv

so of course that gets buffed again with new ones and tested

[tacit siren]

yeah people got better after 3 seasons

[flat falcon]

then after more people play they get moved around 1-2 more times

[rancid totem]

I think this is more a problem with the individual scores for ranks, they should be designed to have minimal cheesing

but having none is impossible

[silver thorn]

Yeah ik, that was my point

[raven ivy]

also, not to mention playing both aimlab and kovaak is a huge time sink, and you are telling me I got the duel rank for NOTHING? because I have to do BOTH again?

[severe fossil]

Yeah so if we decided not to reset ranks, people would have an astra rank that is far easier to have gotten compared to current astra rank

[tacit siren]

well you're not wrong

[flat falcon]

ohh for people with nova and stuff already?

yeah rank reset is kinda required

[raven ivy]

or just reset the ranks that are significantly different

[coral glade]

It would be hard to implement diffrent kinds of static dot scenarios though, idk what could be changed about the cheesing there. (in terms of FOV and especially sens)
I feel like it would be close to impossible to change that

[severe fossil]

That's subjective though

[flat falcon]

same with OW or anything game with a ranking system people in OW could be at like 5k easily then

[raven ivy]

I doubt a diamond rank player will suddenly drop to bronze or climb to master without reset

[flat falcon]

??? huh

[rancid totem]

I feel you with the dual rank but tbh what is the point of a dual rank even

[flat falcon]

maybe but that diamond player but be back in like mid or low play with a few diamond

[rancid totem]

shouldn’t AL bench be almost the same as kvk

[flat falcon]

and need to get their diamond scores back

they wont drop THAT far

[raven ivy]

what's the point tho?

[flat falcon]

they play a larger variety

and they improve

[raven ivy]

why do they need to do it again if they are bound to be back

[coarse brook]

yes.

[raven ivy]

it's not a competition like astra

it's just an achievement

you dont see games reset trophies because they change something about a game

[lost basin]

valorant act triangles

[flat falcon]

everyone is bound to be back?? and if it's an achievement everyone needs to re-earn their achievement right, like they got it but just like before people would keep their rank for a little bit and after maybe 2 weeks they get removed and people need to get them again

and then they have some time to do so

[severe fossil]

Ok but if diamond is way harder compared to last season would it not be unfair for those that play the new season that other people have the same "achievement" as them with less effort

[flat falcon]

but it's not a trophy/achievement it's a ranking system

all games reset ranks after a season/split/act

just how it's always been I don't see how this is any different

[raven ivy]

if the rank is SIGNIFICANTLY different, ok, sure, reset

but the problem is we dont know

I dont know

[severe fossil]

You can't pick and choose a reset

[flat falcon]

only difference from this and a game is that there isn't entirely a great way to prove you had that specific rank from the season before

[lost junco]

What do you mean by lower rank players are gonna "improve more in first week" than higher level,i dont think i understood you

[flat falcon]

tru gotta do it for everyone evenly and fairly

[raven ivy]

nah

high level players grind this game like drug

[lost basin]

ok and

[raven ivy]

that is not the same for low levels

[severe fossil]

Doesn't make my point any different though?

[raven ivy]

there's no point for them to keep replaying it every few month

[lost basin]

whats stopping them

(many things)

[raven ivy]

because aim ranks are NOT the main priority?

for anyone not astra mostly

[normal birch]

reset the ranks because its funny to see ppl complain

[flat falcon]

anyone that doesn't aim train a lot is no where near a peek meaning they could get a really bad score first run and then after doing it 5 times for like 5-6 minutes they could have almost double their original score as for top aimers we get a top score and because we are so consistent we only improve by maybe a couple score or for clicking only like 8 more after maybe 3rd try and then we peek on it unless we grind it

[normal birch]

damn im about to get nova back and its gonna reset

gg

[ripe cove]

so what

[lost junco]

i understand thanks

[severe fossil]

Like I get what you're saying vanta, but you can't just say, reset only the top ranks cause their motives are different, when the issue lies within every rank

[flat falcon]

if their aim rank isn't a priority then just don't do them? and if the ranks aren't a priority then doesn't that mean the rank reset also doesn't matter to them

[ripe cove]

the ranks in s3 would still be easy compared to s4

[flat falcon]

astra = shit

[rancid totem]

you guys what if those that want to reset ranks reset their ranks and those who don’t simply don’t 😃

[ripe cove]

?

[raven ivy]

my point is, this isn't a competition, discord ranks are mostly achievements, so what kind of achievements is it if it gets wiped in a few months anyway?

[normal birch]

that would defeat the purpose

its either all reset or no reset

[rancid totem]

jbr, this is a joke

[normal birch]

o

[urban pumice]

You can have the achievement without the role

[raven ivy]

if I am master rn, and new rank master is harder, have I become worse? no. So why should I not have my rank?

[ripe cove]

yeah and it isnt funny which is why i sent a ?

[rancid totem]

fun is subjective

[flat falcon]

it's a self achievement not everything needs to be displayed for people to go look and admire, and if that's what you mean then the lower ranks definitely shouldn't have an issue since there isn't a lot to admire and in that case higher ranked aimers should be more annoyed because we can't display anymore

[sterile nest]

I think its cool to have a clear start again.
So all inactive players or players who sit on old pbs have to grind again if they want.
Hyped for the grind in the first days, doesnt matter when you do it really; but ill do it.

[severe fossil]

Because your master rank doesn't equate the current master standards anymore

[flat falcon]

it's about their own improvements and self achievements that they personally know they have

[raven ivy]

why do I have to grind aim trainer again to prove im sti just as good when aim trainer is supposed to be supplement to my main game

[urban pumice]

Exaclty

[flat falcon]

my nova gonna be gone but at least I know I'm a top tier nova future nova complete

no one will see it but to me I know what I can do still

[raven ivy]

then what is the point of rank

[urban pumice]

If you wanna supplement for you main game the role shouldnt matter to you

[lost basin]

you dont?

[sterile nest]

People should care about volts more than ranks change my mind .

[lost junco]

hahhahah

[flat falcon]

you don't have to prove anything you already proved it to yourself the ranks are just a nice way to make people want to do it and have something to push for while they improve

[lost basin]

who are you proving your aim ability to anyway? randoms on the internet?

[flat falcon]

thanks you

[normal birch]

volts end up correlating with rank unless someones a demigod at just tracking or clicking

[raven ivy]

rank is meaningless if it just gets buffed endlessly, just make a higher rank for people who want to giga grind

[ripe cove]

to represent skill

[flat falcon]

[lost basin]

like celestial?

[raven ivy]

skill that is infinitely buffed with uigher requirements

year 2030, bronze needs current astra skill

😂

[flat falcon]

yeah you're right it's meaningless meaning you have nothing to worry about :) and yes they get buffed and force players to continue growing and improving just like in the start of apex when everyone sucked, the best players were basically plats in this year/season of play

[sterile nest]

I feel like the ranks are fine with this already no?

[lost basin]

😂

[ripe cove]

well yea because the standards for what actually makes a skilled individual rise

[raven ivy]

there will always be new players joining who are just as bad

[severe fossil]

Aiming in general is going through a gradual progressive development, so that's why the scores have to be buffed to accommodate that gradual increase

[flat falcon]

for the easy benchmarks it's likely that they will still be pretty easy just at that point different scenarios is the only difference

[lost junco]

what rank were you when you started? And can you really like go from gold copmlete to plat complete within a month with fundementals because i was so bad rn my scores are 3x higher literally than when i started

[flat falcon]

correct and?

[raven ivy]

higher rank getting more people is just the nature of growth of popularity

[lost basin]

what

[flat falcon]

mid plat after a couple days diamond complete grinding for masters (back when jade wasn't a thing in sparky)

[restive light]

rank resettings

[flat falcon]

I never did the fundamentals

[inland schooner]

true!

[flat falcon]

didn't know they were a thing didn't care I had benchmarks to grind

[ripe cove]

its like saying diamonds in valorant beta are just as good as diamonds now

[lost basin]

this is kinda true

hardstuck grind

[raven ivy]

valorant doesn't reset you to square zero

[normal birch]

if the new benchmarks will be way different then a reset is fair

[devout shadow]

go for rank reset

[ripe cove]

aim training doesnt

either

[lost basin]

neither should these benchmarks

[ripe cove]

like

vt benches

[devout shadow]

I really need my rank reset right now

[lost basin]

maury

[inland schooner]

you literally don't have to? I don't really understand this

[ripe cove]

your skill is still the same

[devout shadow]

yep

[restive light]

if you have to grind to get back to where you were then there is a problem

[inland schooner]

another 2k offline hours to get ur nova back, unlucky 😔

[devout shadow]

what?

[raven ivy]

if I want to keep my rank, I have to, bruh, that's the whole point is it not? im not trying to whine, what im saying is what a lot of people will feel whether they tell you or not

[restive light]

true !!

[raven ivy]

just giving feedback on what I truly think

[restive light]

i am 5 hits on 1w4ts off of getting the astra role

[lost junco]

i dont even think that they are the best way to grind anymore, what do you do

[lost basin]

just get it again!

[devout shadow]

for now there's a lot mote people asking for a reset

more

[restive light]

too bad i dont do kvk anymore

(and it si very hard)

[raven ivy]

good, then I hope they make the right decision

[ripe cove]

no you dont lol

[flat falcon]

you won't be very far behind and like @restive light said if you are like struggling to get jade scores then you prob don't deserve to be masters but in a day or two you'll have it again, that isn't a grind

[lost basin]

char val radiant when

[restive light]

no

im very bad

[lost basin]

🥶

[raven ivy]

the last reset, a lot of people already stopped applying again

[inland schooner]

I don't really see why people need a discord role to feel a sense of achievement for their accomplishments

[devout shadow]

😭

(losers)

[lost basin]

a lot more new people joined and started applying too

[raven ivy]

I just want you guys to be sure you want the future of voltaic to be like thus

[devout shadow]

🕵️

[raven ivy]

reset again and again and again

[restive light]

because the accomplishment is inherently tied into this role

[lost basin]

voltaic isnt some long lasting legacy that will continue forever

[raven ivy]

ans are they gonna do the rank again?

and again?

[inland schooner]

but w/o the role he is/was still masters

[raven ivy]

and again?

[flat falcon]

I barely do any grinding on aim trainers since I don't need to anymore but I just like to wait for benchmarks to come out and if I enjoy them I will grind them for a few days and get a really high rank then stop doing them and since most of the benchmarks are different I can improve a lot from just doing different ones from different groups or aim trainers, kovaaks, sometimes aimlabs, soon the soraAim ones in aim beast hopefully those are good. It's the same with the rank system in aimbeast and the kovaaks league

[restive light]

i would get a role if there were any good roles i could even get

[lost basin]

when was the last reset btw

[severe fossil]

Ok don't play any competitive fps that gives you a rank because they reset every season btw

[flat falcon]

you have the best and rarest role, muted

[inland schooner]

june i think

[lost basin]

🥶

[restive light]

true

[raven ivy]

it takes MONTHS for a lot of people to climb a rank

[normal birch]

dont have limited perms yet

[devout shadow]

the skills for the rank yes

not just getting the rank

if you have the skills you honed for months

[raven ivy]

you make the rank requirement higher every couple of months, people will be locked in the same rank even if their skill improved

[devout shadow]

you should be able to get the same rank

[restive light]

???

[flat falcon]

if they are really bad or have peeked already and don't train properly then yes

[signal lava]

but every fps but csgo does that lol

[restive light]

why are the rank target scores outpacing your improvement???

😭

[raven ivy]

but they've improved already

[flat falcon]

no because it gets buffed people will keep improving and if thye practice correctly then they won't get hard locked just like every high rank player

if that statement was true astras and novas wouldn't exist

[lost basin]

there should be no complaint if you benchmark in the new season after getting your rank like 2 months prior and the score is lower

[raven ivy]

so why shouldn't rank reflect their improvement

[rancid totem]

I think vanta has a fair point whether you agree or not so why clown it

[raven ivy]

idk, bruh, people dont want feedback

[lost basin]

just sharing my opinion

[flat falcon]

it does but the ranks also scale with the player base it's the same in valorant how in different regions radiant is harder to get, EU radiant is 550 elo but in the US it's only 450 and other places being only 300 like the original

[lost basin]

[raven ivy]

you look at #overwatch many people there dont reaaply rank after the first reset already

[devout shadow]

how dare you reset my master rank

[raven ivy]

i feel this is the case for a lot of others as well

at certain point, people just dont care anymore

[polar kayak]

idc, i just want to track

[inland schooner]

as score targets go up there will likely be more ranks added to compensate for the lower tiers remaining the same, I think that helps with this

[devout shadow]

tbh if I were either master or jade I'd beg for my rank to be reset

😴

[lost basin]

bouch

[raven ivy]

my suggestion is keep the lower rank the same, and just add higher rank for people who are pushing the limit

[normal birch]

i think if they change the benchmarks they should reset the ranks, if its only making the rank requirements harder then they dont need to

[flat falcon]

that's a lot of ranks

[lost basin]

celestial 😱

[flat falcon]

LMAO

top 0.1 over the top 1 players

[raven ivy]

ye, so at some point you need to make the choice of whether it's worth adding even more rank

like, what is the point of rank?

[devout shadow]

new benches = new ranks

makes sense to everyone

cause it's different benchmarks

[raven ivy]

to reflect skill? how can it reflect skill if the requirements keeps changing

[flat falcon]

it's not there are a lot they already added jade to break things up for the change of benchmark difficulty and jade is already sometimes easier than diamond

[normal birch]

yes

[devout shadow]

😴

[lost basin]

b-bb..but i want my discord wole!!! 🥺

[devout shadow]

hard concept to grasp for sure

[flat falcon]

ok vanta... the joke is over now.. surely

[devout shadow]

but if you have a rank that doesn't really reflect the CURRENT BENCHMARK

it's kind of counter intuitive

[rancid totem]

^

[raven ivy]

then match the current benchmark's score to the old one

[rancid totem]

can’t make new marks and not reset

[devout shadow]

ITS DIFFERENT

[raven ivy]

where?

[devout shadow]

lmfao

[flat falcon]

they are matching players from every rank to what's possible on the new ones

?????

[raven ivy]

different how?

[devout shadow]

bahahaha

[raven ivy]

no information

[devout shadow]

[flat falcon]

meaning it will be fair for those current players and they make scores that are possible for each rank in each section