#overwatch

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ruby urchin
marble warren
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what fdps should i learn now that tracer is permabanned in my lobbies?

signal anchor
light bridge
supple chasm
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? lol

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The majority of value on tracer is timings

dark dock
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fuck why am i so inconsistent

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with cassidy

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at landing shots

clever gate
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i swear

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cass no regs is a thing

median pecan
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My close range reactive tracking is mid af and i play 47cm at 60hz

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I do fine on tracer

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Like having good mechanica is a massive bonus but tracer other stuff more important

runic swan
dark dock
median pecan
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Like legit controller aim

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Im playing at near 50cm on tracer and i kinda suck at aimer on her but i can do pretty decent

runic swan
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I meant if you cant finish kills because you choke at the end but you can always be better

median pecan
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True u can always do better but macro more important

runic swan
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I saw topdragon unranked to gm that guy is a monster

signal anchor
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for a discord fully focussed on training your mechanics the people in here really hate to accept the relevance of mechanics

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Is it cope because of own shortcomings

runic swan
signal anchor
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I really wonder what drives people

median pecan
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Like having good aim on tracer you can legit farm people but some top tracers dont even have like super crazy mechanics they hard carry with their gamesense and timing

runic swan
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I play genji

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Without good positioning he’s useless

signal anchor
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yall pretend like positioning is this holy grail bro

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Unless u position like a disabled person it really doesn't matter that much

queen skiff
queen skiff
runic swan
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I understand what you mean but i couldnt hit my shots before focusing on static and a little bit of dynamic clicking

signal anchor
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everyone above plat has okay enough positioning it really isn't that big of a deal

signal anchor
haughty sorrel
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do i get the vision @supple chasm

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signal anchor
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can't accept ur aim isn't as good as the pros unfortunately

runic swan
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Now i shit on people more consistently

median pecan
queen skiff
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i’m sure yk what ur talking abt better than i do bro

haughty sorrel
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isak mauga comp

signal anchor
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ur legit in an aim trainer discord why tf yall here

queen skiff
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to talk abt overwatch

signal anchor
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why go to lengths to aim train if it's irrelevant

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brainlet

queen skiff
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none of the high rank players aim trajn

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in here

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lel

haughty sorrel
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u can just aimtrain everywhere

signal anchor
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do u think ppl stumbled on voltaic without ever wanting to aim train

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a lot of ppl here aim trained at some point and realized it wasn't very useful

supple chasm
haughty sorrel
supple chasm
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It’s just gonna be a 3-0

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Or should be

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For uk

haughty sorrel
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it should

signal anchor
haughty sorrel
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but

queen skiff
signal anchor
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what site is this?

queen skiff
haughty sorrel
queen skiff
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we can tell

haughty sorrel
runic swan
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I was watching quartz pov yesterday and it was the saddest thing i saw in a while

queen skiff
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france on top

haughty sorrel
queen skiff
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peehaps

signal anchor
runic swan
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Hitscan has to be the most boring shit ever

signal anchor
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mechs isn't only aim atleast I assume we agree on that

haughty sorrel
signal anchor
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if we're talking pure raw aim then sure

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but mechs is blink usage, blink melees, cooldown management, aiming

median pecan
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I mean my intital point was aim for tracer

runic swan
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Yeah

haughty sorrel
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aim matters a lot no matter what hero u play

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except moira

runic swan
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If you find yourself not finishing kills because you choke you gotta hit kovaaks man

haughty sorrel
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ppl that will tell u it doesnt only play heroes that doesnt require aim or already have great aim or is just master peak

signal anchor
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in a game about shooting the enemy I'm sure how well you can shoot is a big factor in how good you are at the game

haughty sorrel
runic swan
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If you cant perform at the last stretch go next

signal anchor
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Like saying being able to run fast isn't useful in sports that have running as their main thing

runic swan
median pecan
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Yeah lets full sprint in a sport

toxic fjord
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but shooting isnt the only aspect

haughty sorrel
runic swan
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If everything builds up to the last moment and you choke what are you supposed to do?

supple chasm
haughty sorrel
haughty sorrel
runic swan
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Maybe calm yourself down and then see if its an aim problem

haughty sorrel
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like when pak was scrimming

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streaming

runic swan
haughty sorrel
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streaming the scrim XD

haughty sorrel
runic swan
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I guess you can train in game too

signal anchor
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Most ppl do

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u just get good aim naturally if u play a lot

haughty sorrel
runic swan
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I like kovaaks more but its my preference

signal anchor
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not many people actually consciously analyze their aiming mistakes and work on them

haughty sorrel
median pecan
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Idk i feel like when im playing ow my aim isnt the problem im pretty much always diffing in terms of aim. Gamesense and positioning is so much more important

signal anchor
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most ppl just play a lot and improve their aim itself

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and I think most good players also just enjoy the game a looot

runic swan
haughty sorrel
haughty sorrel
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i guess

runic swan
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I prefer kovaaks but im not saying its better

runic swan
haughty sorrel
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(its def not)

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mindset is all that matters

signal anchor
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The amount of times I've thought "wow I can 1v1 diff this chud every time, but I lose because he plays smarter" is countable on 1 hand

toxic fjord
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its iso training

signal anchor
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usually I just lose those games because the rest of my team are horrible

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Srsly there are more than enough people in diamond that know how to use an ult and not position in the middle of the road

queen skiff
signal anchor
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what seperates a champ from a diamond player is the fact that the champ player puts out like 4k more damage on average than the diamond player

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cuz he aims better

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like way better

queen skiff
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or even how many kills you get and not you soing impactful thinfs at impactful times

queen skiff
median pecan
queen skiff
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i could have plat tracer mechs and be gm

haughty sorrel
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dmg

queen skiff
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just off macro and micro

haughty sorrel
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hahaha

runic swan
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I used to think i couldnt train genji aim i was playing dynamic basically everyday and seeing little improvement then i tried static and progress skyrocketed and it still is

signal anchor
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I had a gm smurf in diamond not too long ago on zarya who just had 3x my tank's damage

queen skiff
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also i can do

signal anchor
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just rip

haughty sorrel
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bro diamonds are the best to poke tank main

median pecan
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Is this bait?

queen skiff
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2.5kdmg a min

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and lose

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in masters

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dmg doesn’t really matter

runic swan
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You probably can find super specific scenarios for tracer

signal anchor
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well not just "aim" but outmech

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Do yall really think Quartz isn't one of the best hitscans in the world because he outaims literally everyone

toxic fjord
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farming roadhog as 80% avg energy zarya

runic swan
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Im not saying you should spend all the effort for that but if you want i think you can find a lot of value everywhere

signal anchor
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dude got hackusated back in 2022 for his aim

queen skiff
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brah

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i play

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rage hackers

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every day

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and win

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half the time

supple chasm
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Bro

queen skiff
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bc they r plats

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with aimbot

signal anchor
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rage hackers are legit bronze players with aimbot

queen skiff
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exactly

signal anchor
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they aren't plat they're bronze

queen skiff
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hence

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ur theory of

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mechs r everyrhint

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is irrelevant

signal anchor
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ye ur right bro I'm sorry mechs are about 95% of ur skill the other 5% is not being a complete dumbass

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if a bronze player can genuinely get champ with an aimbot then u gotta jump through a fuckton of mental hoops to think aim is irrelevant

queen skiff
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huh

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ur just projecting rn i think

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thats okay

signal anchor
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???

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Ad hominem

queen skiff
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thats not an ad hominem lol

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that replies to ur argument

supple chasm
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Just saying

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The difference at the very top is aim

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Before then it’s macro

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Until they are making every right decision every right play

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Aim is just to bail out

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Make you less bad not good

queen skiff
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^

toxic fjord
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ye

queen skiff
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reply to my argument then @signal anchor why is a diamond aimbotting not c2

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surely his mechs r perfect

toxic fjord
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matty is champ only because his aim is somewhat decent.

runic swan
queen skiff
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etc

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rotations

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hes not stood main

supple chasm
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Yes

queen skiff
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9x headshotting

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everyone

supple chasm
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That’s why aim can get you champ

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Basically alone

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While being a troglodyte

runic swan
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Like i said i was struggling to hit shots when i was behind them perfect position

signal anchor
supple chasm
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Cos everyone else also doesn’t understand the game

runic swan
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At least get consistency down then you can focus on something else

haughty sorrel
supple chasm
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It’s mechanics then knowledge then mechanics

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But this is like

signal anchor
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Besides having way better mechs than your enemy also allows you to put your focus elsewhere and thus be more in tune with how you're positioned, your macro, your gameplans and even your comms

supple chasm
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T3 to t2 then t2 to t1 then t1 to best in the game

signal anchor
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It's why hitscan heavy players usually aren't shotcallers either

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more brain power going towards raw aim, less towards comming

queen skiff
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support players

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:D

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flowr is like c3

haughty sorrel
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me when i was watching reoli and comparing gameplay "ok here i would do a similar move, oh he hit every headshot, oh then it force suzu / cds and or get a kill" here was the diff, ofc theres more than that

queen skiff
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also thats not even what i was saying lolololol i just said macro matters more

signal anchor
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I just don't agree at all especially in ranked environments

queen skiff
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well thats bc ur pisslow

signal anchor
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in scrims macros matter more and you can feel it in gameplay

queen skiff
median pecan
signal anchor
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but still is irrelevant to the actual result of the match

queen skiff
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okay try insta force early

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on tracer

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every fight

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with aimbotg

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see how ur value ios

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is

signal anchor
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dude it's not 0 - 100%

toxic fjord
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triple blink oneclip 🤑

signal anchor
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I never said u need 0 gamesense but people in here pretend gamesense is this holy grail to get champ 1

queen skiff
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its still the same bro like as i said macro and angles genuinely

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matters

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more

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than iam

signal anchor
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which is ironic for a mechanics based discord

queen skiff
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ur aim can be pretty avg

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and if ur playing the angle at correct time

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ur like

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gm3?

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with like masters aim

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the difference there is not mechanical

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masters players arent masters bc they shoot worse than a gm5 its bc theyre sat main trolling

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every ult

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lol

signal anchor
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I think u overrate "average aim" a tooon bro

supple chasm
toxic fjord
signal anchor
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if u smurf in diamond u will face 0 players that can outaim you unless they're smurfing themselves

queen skiff
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ye[p

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obviously

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yes

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high rank players have better mechs

toxic fjord
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idk man .

dark dock
toxic fjord
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those diamond widow hs ffa players

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are demons

signal anchor
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well then why pretend as if it's irrelevant lol

queen skiff
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i play on my gfs setup

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w sanrio peripherals

median pecan
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The problem with ur argument @signal anchor is that ur overstating mechanics to be vastly more important. No one is saying mechanics dont matter its just that macro matters for everything when it comes to how the game is played. Ur acting like nothing matters but aim

queen skiff
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and still smurf gm

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w ass aim

signal anchor
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No I don't but ppl in here act that aim never matters and it annoys me

dark dock
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it will always be mechanics

queen skiff
signal anchor
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the amount of times I've seen kovaak nerds excuse their shitty ingame gameplay with "oh it's just because of gamesense"

queen skiff
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for most ppl

signal anchor
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u have no idea

queen skiff
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..

supple chasm
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Mechanics is something that will come with playing more

dark dock
queen skiff
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yep

signal anchor
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all cuz they dont want to accept their aim is mediocre

supple chasm
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And understanding how to play the game more

signal anchor
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outside of kovaaks

toxic fjord
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macro takes brainpower

supple chasm
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Let’s you abuse your level of mechanics

toxic fjord
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too much for most

signal anchor
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It's also just way way way easier to focus on other aspects of your gameplay when aim isn't the limiting factor

queen skiff
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the thing is

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is like

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if u play the game

signal anchor
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everyone who has smurfed has noticed that they can almost play perfectly in smurf lobbies

queen skiff
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and improve the rest

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the mechanics

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will improve

signal anchor
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while when ur against comparable opponents u start to make a lot more mistakes

queen skiff
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not punished

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for anytthing

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in masters i can do w.e and no one shoots back

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not bc im playing well and shooting harder

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they just have 0 coordination

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😔

supple chasm
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Can do it in champ

median pecan
# dark dock it will always be mechanics

I mean yeah cause its flashier than macro. Like how do u even improve macro it comes from experience really. Like no ones gonna watch a montage of u having perfect positioning and engagement timing. 😭

supple chasm
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Unironically

queen skiff
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now

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yeah

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LOL

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hellla burgers.

supple chasm
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Even in scrim vs worse teams too

queen skiff
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but like 4 seasons ago. they turned on u.

signal anchor
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rank inflation is crazy ig

toxic fjord
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its been bad.

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since ow2

runic swan
median pecan
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Ty goat

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Watch my off angling montage 🥶

toxic fjord
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we need goats back

runic swan
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Positioning is the real final boss

toxic fjord
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maybe people can learn macro again

runic swan
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You can feel the pain when you are in a bad spot

supple chasm
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I mean u watch a montage

median pecan
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Idk i might be biased because my macro is kinda ass

supple chasm
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And maybe think

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Why’s no one looking at him

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That’s the macro to make the play

median pecan
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Tiktok comments be like "i have this bug where my enemies shoot back"

toxic fjord
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just watch pro matches surley pepeThink

supple chasm
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Yeah

median pecan
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Or "cardboard lobbies"

signal anchor
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@haughty sorrel what do u have for denmark vs austria

supple chasm
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I wonder if I post a tm clip

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Where Im not looked at

signal anchor
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find that one tough to predict

toxic fjord
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trackmania 🔥

supple chasm
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And see if I get that

runic swan
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I tried to watch proper’s genji

toxic fjord
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doesnt need to be the same for patterns to arise

runic swan
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Im not saying he stays main but the angles he takes are so small

toxic fjord
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w.e

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people overcomplicate the game

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toddlers can play it

runic swan
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Like he’s split but not really

supple chasm
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Yes

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That’s genji

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Way more punchy

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But look at his verticality

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Always above doorways and shit

runic swan
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Enemy team needs to pick which one to look at still but he’s not super slip

runic swan
median pecan
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I legit havent even played since s1 release im ngl

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Im just a larper now

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I only got on to see the new doom slam tech

runic swan
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Damn

toxic fjord
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i need to play dps doom again.

median pecan
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Did they bring back ow classic?

toxic fjord
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2020 patch

median pecan
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Ik its not like 100% the same but its good enough

toxic fjord
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i just want to play him in customs at least

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just nuked doom parkour for no reason

median pecan
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Ive lowkey accepted that hes never coming back

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And even if blizzard were to rerelease him today they'd turn him into a chud hero like venture and vendetta

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The new ow2 devs are incapable of making a good dive hero

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Good as in has skill expression and not mindless

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Anran had potential but i havent really played much since feb

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Apparently they buffed her and made her dumb aswell

toxic fjord
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i still dont understand why they changed him

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push him into punch bot

haughty sorrel
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3 1 denmark maybe

clever gate
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for what it is

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but dps doom just ruins it ngl

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its so obnoxious lol

toxic fjord
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dps doom hate.

runic swan
clever gate
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only person in the lobby enjoying dps doom is the doom player

runic swan
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go in and explode people

toxic fjord
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i think if doom is lobby admin

runic swan
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that guy is not fair

toxic fjord
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your team kinda just sucks.

clever gate
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legit every game i played (15, exactly 15 since thats what challenge requires) is a doom with zarya in stack with bubble engage

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so fucking boring

clever gate
toxic fjord
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or his team is pouring every resource onto him

clever gate
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therefore its obnoxious

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therefore the mode is single handedly ruin by that lol

toxic fjord
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you can just go 6 counters>?

clever gate
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they wont

toxic fjord
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most heroes can deal with him

clever gate
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ye i can do something about him if i want to despite the handless players on my team

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its still not fun to paly against

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and eventually the guy hard focuses me when i start doing well

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zarya bubble int on me

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i get no peel

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gg

toxic fjord
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🤷‍♂️

clever gate
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ye

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theres a reason 99% of player base hated that hero

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everyone except the doom mains

toxic fjord
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i really dont get it .

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even being on the recieving end of good doom players

clever gate
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its just obnoxious

toxic fjord
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i think

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its just knowledge diff.

clever gate
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its really cheap movement and ability set

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perma stuns

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random one shot

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from slams

toxic fjord
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unless they drop all rescources into him

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cant do too much there

clever gate
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its legit so braindead

toxic fjord
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with bad team

clever gate
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i have negative hours on dps doom

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i lock dps doom

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i become lobby admin

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just terrible broken hero

dark dock
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Frees up so much mental stack

clever gate
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i see this in basically every streamers chat all the time

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when people ask about advice related to / adjacent to aiming

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and they always get a variation of the same answer

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"its useless"

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"just play game"

dark dock
clever gate
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"dont focus on aim (mechanics)"

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even like high rank players say this shit

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bcause theyre so unaware of the fact their own mechanics carry them half the time

dark dock
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Bro like whats the point of mr off angling as cass

clever gate
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and the need it in order toi execute what theyre doing

dark dock
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When i cant land a single shot

toxic fjord
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they are assuming a bare minimum of skill

dark dock
toxic fjord
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when they say dont focus on aim mechs

clever gate
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like theyre good players

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but they dont know WHY they are good players

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LOL

dark dock
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This is why aim training is looked down upon

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When it can actually be an efficient way

toxic fjord
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aim trainer players are just

dark dock
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To better your aim

toxic fjord
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brainrotted

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doesnt help that matty is baiting on twitter 24/7

dark dock
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I remember xqc saying once like

supple chasm
dark dock
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He didnt even nnow gold or plat was a rank

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Like he didnt know those ranks existed lol

toxic fjord
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prodigies
xqc

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vas

supple chasm
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If you spend the time preflight to focus on what you need to do in the matchup

dark dock
supple chasm
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Then you can spend the fight hard focusing mechanics

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But again as long as you can hold a mouse it fine

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Genuinely

dark dock
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How to hold a mouse

supple chasm
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Like plat to master is the same rank

dark dock
supple chasm
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They don’t understand the game and only know how to shoot

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The only difference is the egos people have

toxic fjord
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arguble that they know how to shoot

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masters ego is insane

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i dont get it

supple chasm
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They know how to try and shoot

dark dock
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Nah theres def players that are knowledgeable that are masters no?

supple chasm
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I guess

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No

dark dock
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Arent some coaches masters

supple chasm
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But they don’t play

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That’s the difference

dark dock
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Ok but still

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Thats a masters player

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Who knows the game

supple chasm
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1

toxic fjord
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they can know more than the plat

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but

supple chasm
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They also don’t apply it

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Whatsoever

dark dock
supple chasm
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Maybe there’s knowledge

signal anchor
supple chasm
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But it’s always slow and never applied

dark dock
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Knowing doesnt mean you are good at the game

supple chasm
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So they don’t know how to play the game

dark dock
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Unlike smth like chess

signal anchor
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when ur c3 u won't get outaimed insanely by other c3's anymore so u start to look at other things why they might be better than u

dark dock
supple chasm
signal anchor
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In a solid system then

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I just mean between the top 0.1% aim won't be an insane difference

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it will be other things

toxic fjord
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what players are we comparing

dark dock
toxic fjord
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in the top0.1

dark dock
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Matty mogs champ players

signal anchor
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but between top 0.1% and top 20% yeah the aim is crazy different

dark dock
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In aim

toxic fjord
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just hitscan?

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even top 5%

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to top 1

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the gap is larger there than top50-top5

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imo

supple chasm
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Take proud and quartz

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The decisions quartz makes is just better

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On top of having better aim

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Take stalker and quartz

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The only real difference is aim

dark dock
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Ngl i dont watch pro

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Is owcs even fun to watch?

supple chasm
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That’s the difference between t1 and best in the game

dark dock
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Is quartz the best player rn

signal anchor
supple chasm
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Best hs

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Yes

runic swan
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seeing quartz staying main for 10 minutes shooting shield with that aim is heartbreaking

signal anchor
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Been following pro ow since mid 2020 and I like current pro ow a lot

supple chasm
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Proper best player

supple chasm
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That is what tm does better than anyone else

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It’s just abuse tank

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To open the game up

toxic fjord
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i miss early owl

supple chasm
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Instead of forcing

toxic fjord
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back when you had good players on NAwest

dark dock
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How is winston in pro

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Is viable?

supple chasm
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No

signal anchor
signal anchor
supple chasm
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Meh

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I don’t see it

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It’s more or a counter comp

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But who knows maybe it’s mizu kiri sig soj mei or smth

dark dock
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I thought winton?

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Is it cuz he gets countered easily?

signal anchor
dark dock
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Winston is like such a cool tank

marble warren
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just did placements on dps and i'm fucking silver 5 i'm so cooked

runic swan
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yeah

haughty sorrel
haughty sorrel
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like vp vs dallas was good example

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they were just ending up fighting in close range and eis was thanos on ram

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kellan perma dead

haughty sorrel
# toxic fjord i miss early owl

i been watching some vod from 2020, so not even early owl, and man ngl when they dont have time to prepare a meta for 2 years, its hard

runic swan
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bloodlust is bad man

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if i play too good i do a full circle and troll because i want a kill T_T

clever gate
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i had to laugh more than i should