general

[solemn lava]

viscose just be playing whatever the fuck she feels like lmao

[leaden prism]

Ye so it doesnt matter

Spacebar is better for trackjng

And if u grind clips

Its easier

[solemn lava]

how does it not when she has better mechs than 90% of pros regardless

[humble goblet]

😭

[azure spear]

slay the spire 2, witcher 3, elden ring and lies of p currently

[leaden prism]

Spacebar for shooting isnt that good for clicking

It could be good for spraying

[solemn lava]

thats a fire ass rotation ngl

[upper token]

Is ginger zero really different from black???

[azure spear]

thank u 🙏

[solemn lava]

i need to try slay the spire

[azure spear]

im much happier than i was when i was playing fps games lol

[upper token]

Have u played elden dlc

[solemn lava]

i wanna try elden ring but i think im too noob

[azure spear]

yaya, the first part of it was my fav part of the game

[leaden prism]

U will get used to it

[upper token]

Its SO FUN BRO

[azure spear]

incredible world design

[toxic haven]

SAME

[solemn lava]

we think

[toxic haven]

FPS games are stressful!

[upper token]

U need to play elden😭

[leaden prism]

Also elden ring u can outgrind the content

[azure spear]

no such thing 🙏

[toxic haven]

it's relaxing being able to play things at my own pace

[solemn lava]

maybe i get one when i get paid

[toxic haven]

even if i'm missing the dopamine of a win

[solemn lava]

what elden ring do i get for first time

[tardy wraith]

u used space to shoot right? it's not bad right 😭 this guy is getting after me for it

[azure spear]

its good for tracking, maybe even better than m1

and workable for clicking

pay used it and was nova static

[toxic haven]

VISCOSE YOU ENDED UP SHOOTING ON SPACE TOO

[leaden prism]

Thats actually what i said

[azure spear]

for a bti yeah

[leaden prism]

But for clicking it seems not best idea

[azure spear]

i think it helped with tension control on tracking but i could never get the hang of it for clicking

it is doable though, i just wasnt good enough

[toxic haven]

i shot on right arrow key for static as i the latency is a bit better but i use space in game for clicktiming still

also hi yes it's me i changed my name to be better

[rain anvil]

do u still use op1

[solemn lava]

thats crazy ngl

[azure spear]

im using a trackball atm 😭 but otherwise yes

[toxic haven]

ngl i hit insane sniper clips on spacebar shoot

[tardy wraith]

yea i started using it in minecraft and never went back
i make it work with clicking but it's not like i have good scores in general

[leaden prism]

But is there any upside from learning shooting on button

[azure spear]

lower tension overall on mouse hand

[rain anvil]

did u ever get any tekkusai pads or only skypads

[azure spear]

ive got all of them i think, besides the hana

[leaden prism]

Ig it could make sense on games that have high TTK

[rain anvil]

wtf lol may i ask but what made u prefer cloth

[azure spear]

want the long or short answer?

[leaden prism]

Btw how did u learn mcpvp

[toxic haven]

the finger position you have on your mouse means you put a lot of tension through the tendons (fingers extended) which is bad for your index finger

[celest tulip]

OMG ITS VISCOSE

[azure spear]

hello!

[sage tusk]

long

[tardy wraith]

just played a lot
it was my first game

[toxic haven]

with spacebar you press your whole palm down (base of thumb) which doesn't strain any small muscles

[rain anvil]

long because i got a phantom from my friend but it feels weird 2 use so far

[sage tusk]

long pleas long

[celest tulip]

THE QUEEN OF TARGET SWITCHING

HIII

[solemn lava]

thats lowkey kinda interesting

[sage tusk]

@upper token tap in

[upper token]

Elden ring dlc radhan is so much aura

I might play it again

Like deadass

[upper token]

Wut

[sage tusk]

bro i swear ive been wanting to do another play through

that and cyber punk

[toxic haven]

i have 30k elims on sniper using it so it def works

even if its kinda weird

idk it's hard to describe

[leaden prism]

Hmm isnt that lowk grip dependent

Like you will always tense more but

[solemn lava]

i get what ur saying

[upper token]

Its so fun but i hate using controller maybe ill poay mnk

[toxic haven]

i do think clicking on mouse is better for click timing but i think it's not as much better as you would expect

[leaden prism]

We also have to count that kryboard hand

Does require other actions

Dependent on game

[celest tulip]

@azure spear How is it being famous

[tardy wraith]

and yet i still got it sore after aim training all day that's the downside of aim training all the time u just get injuries

[leaden prism]

Stretch every hour

[upper token]

Its okay sometimes i let the voices get 2 me but overall its cool

[leaden prism]

Apparently helps

[sage tusk]

😭

[upper token]

Bro this mf told me tap in and left

[tardy wraith]

yeah but it's thumb
thumb doesn't rlly press other buttons
and if it does, just bind those buttons to things u never do while shooting (like eating, healing, reloading, etc)

[upper token]

There he is

[azure spear]

sure! i think what people miss about glass in total is that there is more friction present in your overall setup than just skates on pad friction. arm friction matters too, its why people wear sleeves and swap to glass, but its something ive never experienced. i have my arm resting on my armrest which i cover in a sock, so my arm doesnt touch the mousepad at all basically. this means that for me, a raiden + artisan dots feels about the same total speed as an average glasspad, and even a zero + artisan dots can get reasonably close in total setup friction without any of the downsides of glass.

from glass, there was only one benefit for me which is micro movements being far easier. other than that, it was just worse in every way because i wasn't getting the benefit of lower friction on your arm that most people do

[upper token]

Tap in 2 wat

[sage tusk]

nonon shes still typing

ok that

tap in to that

[upper token]

[azure spear]

honestly i dont feel very famous haha

[celest tulip]

You are in the aim training com but I have a question do you remember jut?

[azure spear]

tldr is that because my arm doesnt touch the pad, the friction change from glass is pretty minimal compared to what most people experience but i still feel all of the downsides

[azure spear]

maybe? where from

[leaden prism]

Moving ur thumb changes hand tension

[rain anvil]

i see some people say its better for tracking but idk yet tbh all my pbs are on cloth

[azure spear]

that might be because your used to working with friction

i find it a bit strange that people see friction on mousepads as this universal negative

[lean rose]

Ur arm doesn't touch ur pad???

[azure spear]

i think its much more down to preference than people realize

[tardy wraith]

well minecraft cpvp has such a reliance on keybinds and it never hurt me there
u have to have a bind for 10 diff slots 9 hotbar and offhand

[rain anvil]

i think it helps u if anything no?

[leaden prism]

In cs I would never believe someone could make spacebar shooting possible

[azure spear]

nop, only my palm

[humble goblet]

Control through mousepad friction underrated

[agile arch]

someone send me a cloth pad

[lean rose]

Damn wtf

[agile arch]

🙏

[solemn lava]

i dont like static friction much ngl but dynamic friction hella useful

[rain anvil]

ig glass takes time to adapt aswell maybe

[celest tulip]

Hes a VT Grandmaster and hes friends with you on steam and he plays bloodstrike and he said he talked to you about someone named pigeon cheating on kovaaks a while back prob a few months ago almost a year

[tardy wraith]

low desk? i have to put pillows on my chair to get to a point like that 😭

or u just have a shi ton of shoulder tension

[azure spear]

def can do for flicks yeah, for tracking its a mixed bag i think

[daring topaz]

I view it as a tool, I know this is kinda cope, but if there was absolutely 0 friction and just your own movements appeared in game there would be many more errors

[azure spear]

adjustable desk + armrest!

my chair has high armrests

[leaden prism]

Try moving thumb index and ring finger

It feels weird no?

[rain anvil]

are u glass?

[azure spear]

yeah, and i think those errors would be caused by there being no friction. its not like these errors were always there for the most part

[daring topaz]

no

maybe

[azure spear]

glass can expose issues in technique, it can also hide other issues

[hard stump]

yay nini time

[rain anvil]

also was gonna ask how are artisan dots are they better then jades for tracking

[agile arch]

glass really helped me not push my mouse into the pad

[daring topaz]

glass felt like micro trackign got a lot easier

[tardy wraith]

mine adjustable too but still too high :/

[azure spear]

i prefer them yeah, but they seem to be very humidity dependant

[leaden prism]

I seen people play tacfps on glass

[tardy wraith]

not really

[rain anvil]

what felt better for control tracking

[leaden prism]

Godlike beings

[agile arch]

that would be my big fat ass

[tardy wraith]

but to be far i practice typing and mcpvp so i should be fairly used to things like that now

[leaden prism]

Maybe my hand already ruined from osu

[tardy wraith]

fair*

[leaden prism]

But it defo feels uncofmy for me

[azure spear]

yeah, same with ftip mice. very transformative

[rain anvil]

i might get some they look interesting

[daring topaz]

idk
I've peaked on what I use now which is the infinitymice speed v3

[leaden prism]

Do u use spider technique for tapping

Or diff one

[sage tusk]

@upper token the knowers have spoken

[daring topaz]

I need to try one still 💀
I heavy ftip grip everything but have never gotten a small mouse

[wise veldt]

spider?

[upper token]

😭

Dawg

[agile arch]

i think a ftip mouse would be my demise

[upper token]

Ftip mice are so uncomfortable

[agile arch]

i only know how to palm my shit

[azure spear]

they are all i use now, that and another brands pom skates

umm

aeperion?

[daring topaz]

this would ruin me

[azure spear]

those ones are also very good

[humble goblet]

Ftip lowkey would be good for me I use basically no finger movement rn

[rain anvil]

what skates did u use on glass

[daring topaz]

I dont use arm enough
use fingers to cope

[next jacinth]

viscose when are u switching to glass fulltime

[azure spear]

cant remember, pingu kept handing me different ones and i didnt really love any of them

[azure spear]

never i hate it

[next jacinth]

hate is a very strong emotion

[humble goblet]

glASS

[rain anvil]

i wont lie i need sleeve on glass and its one thing i hate

[next jacinth]

whats with the glass hate idgi

[brisk fossil]

DID SOMEONE SAY GLASS

[azure spear]

its an accurate one though 😭 ive put in hundreds of hours onto glass pads and it just makes me miserable

[next jacinth]

u dont even main tacfps

[azure spear]

it kills any enjoyment i get from aiming

[next jacinth]

so how does that make sense

[paper shell]

Do you guys like my beat

[azure spear]

i explained earlier

[next jacinth]

in a video or

[azure spear]

tldr it does nothing for me and has a lot of downsides

in the chat

[fiery flume]

it’s interesting how so many people say that glass makes aiming way more enjoyable for them

[agile arch]

this didn't release it escaped ‼️

[next jacinth]

hmm

[sage tusk]

what made phantom more enjoyable than other glass pads for u

[next jacinth]

new aim video soon GOAT? i still need some help

[paper shell]

You like it dont you

[azure spear]

its closer to cloth in terms of variable friction

[azure spear]

probably not sorry

[agile arch]

yeah its tuff

[upper token]

Phantom is best glasspad

[leaden prism]

Ur hand looking like spider legs

[next jacinth]

Superglide V3 is lowkey pretty good

[azure spear]

i quit kovaaks to put more time into making videos without realizing that the time spent on videos would also damage my hand

[fiery flume]

I have my first ever glass pad coming soon

[azure spear]

so now im on a trackball ...

[next jacinth]

which one did u get

[rain anvil]

how is ur hand that dmgd is it from aim training

[leaden prism]

Viscose avoiding rsi

[rose night]

oh my days

[fiery flume]

my friend gifted me the singularity

[azure spear]

just cumulative overuse

[next jacinth]

nice

[rain anvil]

do u like

[daring topaz]

time to become goat like Zerggy

[azure spear]

last year, most days id spend an hour or two aimtraining, maybe an hour playing fps, and then 4-6 hours editing and working on videos

i thought the problem was the 2 aimtraining hours when it was everything

[keen cloud]

Editing takes forever tbh

[next jacinth]

i think you might need to lift weights

[azure spear]

i do im afraid

[leaden prism]

Wrist curls

[next jacinth]

need a bigger forearm and shoulder

[azure spear]

ive tried most hand health things, ive realized that what im trying to get my hand to do just isnt like

normal 😭

[leaden prism]

Bigger forearm makes aiming worse its doomed

[rain anvil]

ah i see i had pain in hand from work and just used wrist band and stuff when going to bed helped a ton

[azure spear]

its worse on a trackball 😭

[next jacinth]

why and how

[azure spear]

havent tried a wrist band, ill look into it

thanks!

[next jacinth]

u need to take a week break then get in the gym

guranteed fixes your problems

[fair reef]

bro is trying to gatekeep gains

[leaden prism]

Human hands werent designed for aim training

[next jacinth]

i injured my forearm

not sure if from aim training

[leaden prism]

I have big ass forearms and still dont avoid soreness

[next jacinth]

forearm has 3 muscles tho

[azure spear]

ive done weights specifically targeting wrist and tendon strength and yeah, its helped but hasnt fixed the problem

[next jacinth]

what if one of them is weak for you

[rain anvil]

helped a ton specially if ur in bed with phone sometimes u can fall asleep with ur hand in weird positions and its gonna fuk it up more the wrist band lets it rest kinda

[tardy wraith]

still would help to exercise
abt a year ago i started aim training for ~14 hours a day and it only lasted like 2 days before my wrists hurt so so bad i couldn't do anything for months
but after using weights a whole bunch it fixed and u just gotta build endurance

[next jacinth]

might be time to touch grass ngl

[azure spear]

i am! its just like

that alone wont solve it

[signal rose]

some send me the voltaic kovaaks playlist?

[azure spear]

its a cumulative overuse problem, just lifting some weights wont change that what im doing is the cause for my hand problems

[patent karma]

no ur not allowed

THE playlist

[next jacinth]

we about to get a acl tear in our arm

[leaden prism]

Biggest thing is the friction

[upper token]

Havent tried i dont like wh pads tho

[next copper]

hts ultra

[next jacinth]

wh?

[signal rose]

whyyyyyy

[leaden prism]

But u can fix with arm sleeve ig

[tardy wraith]

well ok... that's a shame tho

[azure spear]

is how it is, ive learned my lesson at least

[tardy wraith]

i would hate if i couldn't aim train or type anymore or smt

[rain anvil]

@azure spear something like these

[upper token]

I use that 2

[leaden prism]

I am doing gym since last year consistently

[upper token]

Lmao

[leaden prism]

4-5 times a week

[upper token]

I messed up my left wrist

[patent karma]

quitting before u get found with misscolourz exe

[signal rose]

can some send the sauce playlist??

[leaden prism]

Even today did some

[patent karma]

smart

[next jacinth]

u got a home gym

[leaden prism]

But heavy lifting makes ur aim so bad next day

[next jacinth]

i should go to the gym today

[leaden prism]

Especially strain on bicep/shoulders

[next jacinth]

but its so cold out

[upper token]

Yh when my arm muscles are 2 sore i deadass cant aim

[leaden prism]

I dont understand how people can do so many pullups and few pushups

I can do like infinite pushups

But only 4 pullups

[next jacinth]

bro what

pushups is 10x easier than pullups

i can do 10-15 pushups and 0 pullups

[leaden prism]

I swear my friends

Do like 12 pullups 50 pushups

[upper token]

Push ups are easier

[leaden prism]

I can do 100 pushups

[tardy wraith]

for me it made it better ngl 😭

[upper token]

I can only do 15 pull ups then im dead

[leaden prism]

It can make u better overall

[upper token]

To mich body weight

[leaden prism]

But on next day u will be worse

Or u didnt push ur body hard

[upper token]

I like doing diamond push ups

[visual bronze]

went to play overwatch

2 games on tank, lost

2 games on damage, lost

the game also just said

[thorn minnow]

Never lose twink aim

[upper token]

Kovaaks time buddy

[visual bronze]

"here, have a disconnect" in the last game

it yeeted me to the main menu

[tardy wraith]

ohh yeah like when you're sore

[visual bronze]

with 2k people in queue apparently

[thorn minnow]

Hauntr shaky asf after becoming jacked cause he lost twink aim trvthnuke

[leaden prism]

I only do pushups when I am super lazy

[hard stump]

grind went well tn twin

🙏

[visual bronze]

lmfao

[rain anvil]

knives are u on sp4

[visual bronze]

i'm not even mad atp sometimes it's just unwinnable

[leaden prism]

I waited 15 minutes for faceit game

[visual bronze]

and that was one of those sessions

[hard stump]

nah i have a glsswrks

[upper token]

I love push ups and burpees 😭

[hard stump]

but i mostly use my cloth pad

[leaden prism]

I love benching

[rain anvil]

which u on rn

[leaden prism]

Farmer walk is also chill

[hard stump]

4114 Aero V2

[upper token]

Im ngl i like legs alot😭

[hard stump]

feels kinda like a raiden

[tardy wraith]

voltaic rank diamond in pushups?

[rain anvil]

do u use op1

[hard stump]

no sir

[upper token]

😭

[hard stump]

mix of beast x mini pro + x2cl

[rain anvil]

what glasswork pad did u buy

[hard stump]

the hana but i havent been a big fan

[leaden prism]

U should be able to do at lesst like 50

[upper token]

Im ngl id prob end it ingame if i couldnt workout god i love that shit

[unborn vector]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/860475444238483457/1420775213808750694/genetics.gif

[leaden prism]

Thats like average where I live tbh

[rain anvil]

u prefer cloth?

i havent heard of that pad u got

[leaden prism]

Bruv

[upper token]

U guys cant tell me u dont love that dopamine after a good workout

Feels like a pb in static fr

[leaden prism]

I dont feel that shit

I do workout becsuse I kinda have to

[tardy wraith]

fr

[leaden prism]

Its like routine

[upper token]

Wym

[tardy wraith]

[leaden prism]

Idk adhd stuff

[mortal mantle]

Not that bad right Joey

[tardy wraith]

yea my dad told me to work out bc it's good with adhd or sum but then i did and it was fun

[upper token]

Bro when i broke my rib i couldnt workout for months i was deadass depressed

[leaden prism]

Peak dopamine is when i go sauna

Into cold water

[upper token]

I only shower cold lol

[leaden prism]

Its good when doing

But afterwards it doesnt feel good

[upper token]

I feel dirty when water is hot

[leaden prism]

Also adhd meds make u superhuman strength

[upper token]

I wouldnt be suprised if i have some sort adhd lmao

Maybe autistic

Or schizophrenic

Who knows

[leaden prism]

I got very severe one

[upper token]

Can u not like sit still

[leaden prism]

No

[upper token]

Idk much about adhd

[leaden prism]

I cant

Like when I go to sleep

I will move

Shake legs kick air etc

And perma think

If i try to lay down off meds

[upper token]

I see

[leaden prism]

I feel like i have to do shit

[upper token]

Do those meds make u high

[leaden prism]

Also energy mood swings are the worst thimg

[leaden prism]

They feel like strong cup of coffee

But for 12h

[upper token]

Thats crazy

Coffee is my drug

[leaden prism]

Coffee makes me sleepy

[upper token]

I love that shit

[leaden prism]

I like the taste

[tardy wraith]

fr
my gf hates it

[leaden prism]

Downside is ur body tenses on them

I generally have issues with random tension

Shit fucks up my aim scores as well

[upper token]

Oh

Always some downsides with meds

[leaden prism]

Adhd by itself does it

[unborn vector]

only heard advantages by using addy

[leaden prism]

So meds do help a bit with it

[upper token]

Wait u take addy?

Or similar?

[leaden prism]

Lisdexamphetamine

[tardy wraith]

for me my heart feels weird

[upper token]

Oh

[tardy wraith]

but it kinda fixes when u take antidepressants

[unborn vector]

are u po the dragon warrior

[upper token]

Only meds ive ever taken is sleep pill once and i slept 17 hours😭

Never again

When i woke up i felt tired asf

[leaden prism]

Do u measure ur pressure n stuff

[upper token]

Yes skadoosh

[unborn vector]

ok

[leaden prism]

I once had my hand fully tense up and not let go

[agile arch]

so this is not legit right

[leaden prism]

Like i was holding mouse

[upper token]

Yes its me

[leaden prism]

Couldnt leave it

[unborn vector]

its me

i was the res

hes legit

idk show scores 😭

the scenario is pretty easy

[tardy wraith]

yeah it was fine

[leaden prism]

Nice fps

[tardy wraith]

the doc said it's prob from anxiety from it being a stimulant or sum

[agile arch]

idk it just popped up and its like a good 200 above #2

[upper token]

Wtfcis that res

[unborn vector]

so what

93cm

[upper token]

120fov on smoothbot new meta

[unborn vector]

120 fov

i think its legit

[leaden prism]

Anxiety and mood swings are semi rare side effects

[tardy wraith]

that aint normal bru 😭 that never happened to me before

[upper token]

Prob cheater

[agile arch]

just odd that hes like 400k but i guess that doesnt really mean anything

[leaden prism]

It is actually side effect

[tardy wraith]

maybe bind shoot to space 🗿

[leaden prism]

I gotta remember to relax my legs

[leaden prism]

I am happy that I got meds so I dont end up in random fights

[kind glade]

ues legit

hes

[rose night]

i mean for someone starting out naw

[cosmic heart]

2.7k to 3k

jump

🤯

[leaden prism]

W

[rose night]

nope

[cosmic heart]

not really

i choked

it couldve been jade

i legit malfunctioned mid first bot

[arctic rune]

are viscose benchmarks better then vt? i see so many ppl on them now

[cosmic heart]

i was like wtf im actually doing good

but still a new best

i guess

[mortal mantle]

u got 20 minutes

for master

or ekse

[unborn vector]

ive heard they're actually meant towards in game improvement

[cosmic heart]

more fun imo

[unborn vector]

so yea

[tardy wraith]

if ur only gonna play the benchmarks then yea

[cosmic heart]

woah

[unborn vector]

current vt benchmarks are useless

[cosmic heart]

took me 10 to get that

[arctic rune]

hwo abt the vdim

[unborn vector]

useless

[mortal mantle]

worse

[arctic rune]

mmm i see thanks

[tardy wraith]

i mean vdim was helpful for me when i was p bad but it reaches a point where it doesn't rlly help that much anymore

[arctic rune]

i see

[mortal mantle]

do viscose

[tardy wraith]

if the other option is grinding benchmarks then it's better though

[cosmic heart]

i just legit aim mogged myself

on the first bot

by 100 score

i keep on choking last bot

[unborn vector]

dont play last bot

[cosmic heart]

do i really have to watch someones vod

[unborn vector]

that shit is not real

[leaden prism]

So viscose benchmarks are meant to make u improve

Vt benches are benches

[wise veldt]

you can improve playing anything

[arctic rune]

ts is so cooked

[wise veldt]

you can also not improve playing anything

[next jacinth]

huh

[leaden prism]

Many good people i spoke to just disagree

[fiery flume]

hasn’t arrived yet

[arctic rune]

you can improve but it wont be optimal

[cosmic heart]

i share the same thought with svt

tho

[wise veldt]

you can improve playing anything

[cosmic heart]

u can improve doing anything

[wise veldt]

you are improving something when playing anything

[cosmic heart]

move ur hand and u will get better

[leaden prism]

Lack of variety will make u improve only certain areas

[upper token]

Dont betray hien

[leaden prism]

I dont think vt bench grinding would translate in game at all

[upper token]

5am no sleep gg

Viscose benches are more fun imo

[timber jacinth]

It 100% doesn't

[wise veldt]

nothing translates in game without playing the game

vt benches will translate

you aren't doing nothing

lmao

[unborn vector]

can somebody tell me what to do in the 3rd bot in s5??

i have 4k pace on the 2 bots

[toxic haven]

Stretching does not save you from carpal tunnel if you are grinding too many hours

[unborn vector]

but then i go down to sub jade on 3rd

😭

intermediate btw

ts not real

[solemn lava]

aether or ground

[unborn vector]

ground

intermediate

[leaden prism]

Never had it and played insane bpm on osu

[timber jacinth]

If u want to translate in game play every category

[unborn vector]

3rd bot is just too aids

[solemn lava]

just play it like a control scenario

[leaden prism]

Stretching is op

[unborn vector]

i cannot fathom with this

[solemn lava]

smooth transitions

[mortal mantle]

you need to be well rounded

[solemn lava]

no tension

[wise veldt]

if you want to translate in game play the game

[solemn lava]

its just control tracking as a ground bot

[unborn vector]

ok

[mortal mantle]

if ur cerulean in one and then unranked in one ur scores are meaningless atp

[solemn lava]

it has very varied accel tho so its kinda weird at first

i strugged w that shit hella

u will learn it fast tho

[leaden prism]

Once again many ppl disagree

[solemn lava]

its just weird at first

[leaden prism]

Many games dont have that much aiming

And u cant really isolate some skills

Fir example in val

[wise veldt]

no one will disagree with that statement

no one with a brain

[solemn lava]

yeah man let me play val dms against diamond players with 0 movement to improve my aim!

im joking

but like both are useful

[fiery flume]

bro… I been maining the raiden

[wise veldt]

aim training supplements the main game ideally

[solemn lava]

yea thats what im sayin

if u main aim trainers and u want to improve in game

[wise veldt]

some amount of time working on in game weaknesses followed up by a lot of the game

[solemn lava]

idk u have 4iq

[wise veldt]

People expect a magical transferrence of skill

thats the funny part

[agile arch]

nah im playing 8hours a day aim trainer for valarante

[solemn lava]

yea i agree

[agile arch]

its good?

[solemn lava]

i just wanted to shit talk val dm for no reason

just in that typa mood

[timber jacinth]

What i see i lack in game is what I play in trainer and it's always changing. What is once the weaknesses becomes the strength so it always like a cycle

[leaden prism]

If u do 10-15% of game time in kovaak and 85% in game

U will improve 10x faster aim wise

Than 100% of game enjoyer

[wise veldt]

will you?

[timber jacinth]

This is why I say play everything

[wise veldt]

is that a fact

[upper token]

L raiden no texture

[unborn vector]

[timber jacinth]

Everything translates

[agile arch]

source: i made it up

[arctic rune]

yeahh it was my first time doing the benchmarks so it was a lil cooked

[solemn lava]

u cant define improvement like that

[fiery flume]

is the rank bot thing working again

[solemn lava]

its WAY too many variables

[leaden prism]

Seen many ppl do it as well

[solemn lava]

p sure

[upper token]

yh

[fiery flume]

I wanna be gold

how do I be gold

[agile arch]

wait til people find out that most fps players don't aim train

[timber jacinth]

Everything is connected in a way

[upper token]

do plat

[fiery flume]

but how

[cosmic heart]

HOW do i do this shit

[solemn lava]

doesnt mean its bad

BUT

ppeople in here

[cosmic heart]

i always choke the last bot

[solemn lava]

do overstate it

[cosmic heart]

nothing else by now

[leaden prism]

Wait till u find that most ppl play fps games since 10 years of their life

[humble goblet]

/getrank and apply for complete rank and get whatever complete you are

[timber jacinth]

I used to not play static until I realized it was needed for practically a lot of things

[wise veldt]

yeah but raw aim is a small factor, aim trainers are helpful but not the end all be all of mechanics at the end of the day

[solemn lava]

like idk people in here just be saying shit

[fiery flume]

but.. my complete rank isn’t boblow

I want boblow

[agile arch]

idk i dont think raw aim is much of a factor in tac

like at all

[humble goblet]

Yes it is noob

[solemn lava]

apply w my rank all good

[solemn lava]

its not

but tac fps is for noobs

[leaden prism]

If u just picked up fps games aim trainer will make ur progress go like ferrari but if u were playing fps games for 10 y it wont matter

[fiery flume]

fuck it Ill stay unranked

[solemn lava]

also untrue

whole chat just fucking lying

[timber jacinth]

Aim trainer is more of an obsession

[cosmic heart]

hi reikuro

how do i do this

[upper token]

imma ego u then with my plat noob

[cosmic heart]

i choke last bot

[solemn lava]

wheres the guy that has played fps on mnk for 12 years and fucking blows

where he at

[cosmic heart]

how are u meant to do it

[bronze jay]

I think aim training's pretty cool actually

[agile arch]

me

[solemn lava]

i need him to prove my point

[leaden prism]

Did u read it

[solemn lava]

real shit DeathOnion404

[upper token]

bro knows a dude for every convo

[solemn lava]

u said it doesnt matter if u have played for 10y

[unborn vector]

well i hit masters at least

fuck this aids ground scenario

shouldnt exist

[leaden prism]

Yes aim training wont change much

[solemn lava]

ive been here for 5 years of people

ofcourse i do.

[leaden prism]

If u played for 10y

[gray holly]

@spring osprey has things to say

[agile arch]

this to be diamond voltaic </3

[cosmic heart]

i mean its not a bad scen

i just choke last bot

[leaden prism]

But if ur new to fps games it will make insane difference

[solemn lava]

ur my goat

[agile arch]

thanks goat

[leaden prism]

U didnt understand my message

[solemn lava]

but u cant say that

no ur just wrong

and u cant measure skill of time for once

especially a time scale of years

[unborn vector]

its good only if u've never touched a mouse or u actually know how to use it

[gray holly]

if you do something for 10 years and are bad at it i think you wasted your life

[leaden prism]

I can and I seen a lot of people

[solemn lava]

and for 2 improvement is different for everyone

[mortal mantle]

is master good for 100 hours

[solemn lava]

people play games for 10 years

and suck

[leaden prism]

Who picked up fps games

[solemn lava]

people play games for 3 years and are pro

[agile arch]

i would say so

[unborn vector]

rank is irrelevant

[solemn lava]

anecdotal evidence is not evidence

[leaden prism]

Cor example?

For*

[mortal mantle]

so whats relavant

[agile arch]

im coming up on 450 and im diamond so like

u got that og

[wise veldt]

someone always did it faster, dont worry about your hours honestly

[mortal mantle]

😱

nvm ima shut up

thats good

[agile arch]

its not

hahaha

but that sok

[wise veldt]

I have 900 and I am still pretty shit

[unborn vector]

definitely not a rank that shows how much u've grinded the benchmark and learnt the scenario

[agile arch]

its also over the span of 6 years

[mortal mantle]

i mean

[leaden prism]

Untruee

[mortal mantle]

ive been grinding viscose benchmarks

[unborn vector]

clueless

[mortal mantle]

and it took me from plat to master in

a month and a half

[solemn lava]

i dont have an example of mind but theres many people that play games for way shorter time and get to the top ranks/pro play

[wise veldt]

cs pro 910

[agile arch]

hope it does the same for me i just started playing them

[wise veldt]

went pro with like 5000 hours

or some shit

[leaden prism]

I dont know single pro who doesnt play fps games since some young age

[wise veldt]

and hes on a consistent top team

[solemn lava]

look im happy to have this debate ive been here for a long time actively i promise i have seen more anecdotal evidence for both sides its inconsistent

and always will be

improvement has millions of factors

you can not define it by time

or any factor

[indigo cairn]

👆

[cosmic heart]

my scores going down bro

[timber jacinth]

There are 3 types of player I have seen playing in high elo; insane mechanics, bad game sense, insane game sense bad mechanics and the true champions are insane at both but those are insanely rare to come by, I want to be that

[leaden prism]

If u played for 10y competitivelym

You already learnt

[cosmic heart]

ts deadass CONSISTENTLY going down

[leaden prism]

How ot move mouse

[cosmic heart]

i cant get a score bro

[leaden prism]

If u pick up fps games

U dont

As simple as that

[solemn lava]

so you think

lets just say

im a val pro right

[wise veldt]

you'd be surprised how bad pro players are moving their mouse

[solemn lava]

im t1

for 10 years

[wise veldt]

in terms of raw mechanics

[leaden prism]

Yes and no

[solemn lava]

u think i would have mastered aim?

i am a terrible player in most games

[leaden prism]

No

[solemn lava]

i have better mechs than multiple pros in any game ive played

pros do not have the best mechanics in most games in most cases

[leaden prism]

But look avg mouse stability of pro

[wise veldt]

I have better raw mechanics than most of VCT

[round belfry]

🤣

[leaden prism]

And compare it

To new person in fps

U will see

[wise veldt]

and I was like immortal 1 peak

[leaden prism]

Then make tjat person aim train

For like two weeks

[wise veldt]

I suck ass

[solemn lava]

mouse stability - playing 65cm barely moving mouse because perfect crosshair placement

[leaden prism]

I swear like for tac fps

[solemn lava]

alright man

[leaden prism]

Two weeks of aim training

Would make ur raw aim same as pro

Lowk

[wise veldt]

The pro will have faster improvement

[unborn vector]

???????

[unborn vector]

?????

[leaden prism]

So it is kinda insane improvement no?

[unborn vector]

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO

U ARE NOT REAL

[wise veldt]

its actually documented

through coaching

[solemn lava]

ok

vados

[leaden prism]

They do improve faster

[solemn lava]

i started sub bronze in voltaic right

[unborn vector]

vados u have to be ragebaiting

[solemn lava]

i played for 2 weeks

i improved 3 ranks

[leaden prism]

But if u get pro to do vt bench insta

[agile arch]

this guy had a point for like 2 minutes and then lost the suace

[solemn lava]

i was not better than pros still

[unborn vector]

WHY ARE U EVEN TALKING TO THEM

DO U SEE WHAT THEY JUST SAID

[leaden prism]

They sometimes end silver/gold

[solemn lava]

improvement is NOT definable

[unborn vector]

ANYTHING THEY SAY IS IRRELEVANT

[leaden prism]

U just jsed val pro

[solemn lava]

its a very simple concept

[wise veldt]

Farming vt gen chat ranks

its funny

[unborn vector]

gg good point

[indigo cairn]

😭

[unborn vector]

https://tenor.com/view/druski-shrug-hands-up-druski-shrug-druski-idk-meme-gif-7093177929627107381

[solemn lava]

its 4:30am i have nothing better to do

and ive missed thisd

[indigo cairn]

im legit reading some straight bs

[solemn lava]

its been awhile.

[unborn vector]

shit i have to study for my psychology exam

[indigo cairn]

but im here for it

[unborn vector]

😭

[leaden prism]

Viscose ended up silver vt as a cs pro

[unborn vector]

u js reminded me its in a few hrs

[leaden prism]

Initially

Btw

So raw aim was silver bt

[solemn lava]

because its so fucking varied

[leaden prism]

Vt

I can get

U*

silver in week

[wise veldt]

she wasnt silver voltaic when she was a pro btw

[solemn lava]

salzi got gm in 50 hours with little fps background

its so varied

[wise veldt]

I think 50 is a high ball too

I swear he just existed and then became gm

[tardy wraith]

when i started voltaic i was sub iron
and it took me a week just to get iron 😭

[cosmic heart]

whoever made bot 3 in fucking intermediate ground

istg

[leaden prism]

Point is that ur raw control would be similiar to ppl who played tacfps for years

[cosmic heart]

this shit is so ass

actually

[leaden prism]

And idk why u trynna argue that

[solemn lava]

whats your point

and i mean ur point is untrue

[leaden prism]

Wdym untrue

[solemn lava]

i swear she was in voltaic as a pro no?

[wise veldt]

She was at least nova

[leaden prism]

I legit seen at least like 200 ppl vods

[wise veldt]

maybe astra at that point

I dont remember exactly

[leaden prism]

El1ge was also lower ranks

[wise veldt]

and he basically spedran to nova

[unborn vector]

ngl

[solemn lava]

i dont understand ur point is changing entirely

[leaden prism]

Untrue?

[unborn vector]

i played it

[solemn lava]

my entire point is

[unborn vector]

like 2 times and got masters

[leaden prism]

It took him year

To go master to gm

[solemn lava]

u cant define improvement

[leaden prism]

No?

[solemn lava]

its different for EVERY single person

[indigo cairn]

since when elige has "1" in his name

😭

[solemn lava]

because he was playing fucking tier 1 cs???

HELLO

[round belfry]

isnt elige like 43

[leaden prism]

He had kovaaks in his routine man

1h

[unborn vector]

u should play ground plaza sparky v3 and the thin version, iirc 3rd bot and last bot are pretty much how last bot is supposed to be played

[indigo cairn]

tazed keep ur cool...

its okay

[unborn vector]

but yeah its ass

just be smooth rlly

as long as u manage ur tension its fine

easiest masters ever

[barren burrow]

Who else just spectating this voltaic general debate rn 😹

[upper token]

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-freeman-sleep-gif-3565927661470635310

[barren burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/plankton-eating-popcorn-popcorn-plankton-meme-plankton-yes-gif-18251234252356731757

[solemn lava]

and you think in that routine his focus was to improve in voltaic benchmarks OR maybe it was to improve in the game he was playing professionally in the highest level

[unborn vector]

he definitely had a routine focused to get an higher score on the benchmarks bro...

what are u even asking

👍🏻 👍🏻 👍🏻 👍🏻

[solemn lava]

surely

[unborn vector]

go next bor

can i even send this

[wise veldt]

voltaic benches > another hltv top 20

[unborn vector]

or do i get banned

[wise veldt]

confirmed

[solemn lava]

probably shouldnt risk it lmao

[unborn vector]

💀

[solemn lava]

cs major or gm voltaic hmm

[leaden prism]

Cuz hes the nr 1 goat

[wise veldt]

They lowkey blew their chance for it, vertigo cooked them

oh well

[indigo cairn]

great way to say "i had no clue"

[gloomy flume]

Hello world

[leaden prism]

Bro

[solemn lava]

i didnt watch cs back then ngl

[wise veldt]

sad day for na cs

[solemn lava]

isnt elige still on a team?

[wise veldt]

They suck ass right now

[solemn lava]

or was recently

[wise veldt]

hes back on liquid

[wise veldt]

he got traded for twistzz

[solemn lava]

yea thought so

[mortal mantle]

fym twin

IM

the goat

[leaden prism]

He was not good match for faze

[solemn lava]

i used to fw twistzz heavy for no reason

[leaden prism]

His transfer was lowk shit for faze

[wise veldt]

He has basically always been my favorite player

[leaden prism]

But i like him

Also that clutch on anubis

Was insane

[solemn lava]

i barely watched cs but i dabbled sometimes randomly

[indigo cairn]

same

[solemn lava]

i get SO many cs pro clips on my tiktok rn lmao

[leaden prism]

Game is boring

But clips are cool

[solemn lava]

look okay i have one point and its all ill say to end the conversation

my point is

and i think its inarguable

that improvement is different for everyone

[leaden prism]

I never said its not

[wise veldt]

true

[solemn lava]

and years played is the least likely factor u can determine for improvement

[wise veldt]

azuma is the goat after like 400 hours

or whatever

100% legit too

[solemn lava]

and saying

[indigo cairn]

yea 400h is crazy

[solemn lava]

that someone who played for 10y

can not improve much from aim training because of time played in fps

is dumb as fuck

someone legit came here yesterday

had played for 12y

[upper token]

hes got exposed by squaqi

[agile arch]

help me guys

[solemn lava]

was silver voltaic

[bronze jay]

Wouldn't they be banned by now tho

[solemn lava]

ofc he can improve so much

[leaden prism]

I said it wont matter much for their ingame performance

[wise veldt]

well its not that easy to get someone banned

[solemn lava]

and im saying youre wrong

and thats all ill say

[unborn vector]

uh

[wise veldt]

Who isn't like super blatantly cheating

[round belfry]

zcn

[wise veldt]

you have to state a case

[round belfry]

was not cheating

[unborn vector]

play high sens

[round belfry]

banned no reason

gg

[wise veldt]

and make it really good

[solemn lava]

im not debating my point anymore i think its clear

[agile arch]

im on 30 its good

[bronze jay]

So you need a dissertation

[unborn vector]

kinda slow ngl

[solemn lava]

idk man the zcn files..

[wise veldt]

basically

you do

[agile arch]

damn

[solemn lava]

if zcn actually wasnt cheating

[round belfry]

aimer mafia got his ass

[solemn lava]

i owe bro an apology.

[agile arch]

i am lowkey dog ass on much higher than that

[wise veldt]

and also only certain people can really even do anything

[round belfry]

you do

[agile arch]

but we ssee

[unborn vector]

try lowering ur fov

[upper token]

files didnt look good

[unborn vector]

like

[solemn lava]

he was my goat too.

[unborn vector]

70

75

[agile arch]

is that allowed

[round belfry]

they took him out back and shot him the head

[unborn vector]

wut

[leaden prism]

Bet theres like so many cheated master scores

[unborn vector]

oh prob not

[solemn lava]

ggs

[unborn vector]

just go back to normal fov after

its tech ive learnt

[idle fjord]

YOUR GOAT!?

[leaden prism]

Imagine cheating on aim trainer

[idle fjord]

Buddy was the only one who wanted to learn under me

😭 😭 😭

[solemn lava]

one of

[unborn vector]

🤣

[idle fjord]

He was MY goat

[leaden prism]

Legit cannot go lower than that

[solemn lava]

zcn always told me about his dreams.

[idle fjord]

@floral brook

[solemn lava]

i miss that.

[wise veldt]

The real goat is jacky

and souljaash

submetry

hex

[dim gale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/860475444238483457/1420775213808750694/genetics.gif

[wise veldt]

these are the real aim trainer players

[rose night]

ikr

[solemn lava]

brax clears all these fake ass cheaters

[agile arch]

hesRight

[solemn lava]

'genetics issue' cheats on soldier vamp to try get a reputation in the racist community

[wise veldt]

You were lurking for this one

[rose night]

u gotta be noob to cheat on aim trainer

[solemn lava]

yeah sound bro

[wise veldt]

lmao

[idle fjord]

"the"

[solemn lava]

its the most prominent in the world.

[idle fjord]

Also no one has the fucking

Soldier vamp code

I can't find it anywhere

[unborn vector]

h8a88

[solemn lava]

is it not in #overwatch

[wise veldt]

its somehow worse than LG

[dim gale]

you have to join THE servers

[unborn vector]

ow1v1s are definitely

not worse than lg

[idle fjord]

Are you an adult?

[unborn vector]

idk what u guys are on about

[bronze jay]

Sussy choice of characters but I just can't prove it

[solemn lava]

ow vamp is lowkey p fun

[idle fjord]

Ow vamp is more convenient for me

[solemn lava]

i dont get it am i slow

[unborn vector]

hes probably saying theres pdf in ow1v1s

[idle fjord]

I was going to call them smart and sexy

[unborn vector]

or some shit

[idle fjord]

As thanks

But if they're not and adult

[bronze jay]

Lmao

[dim gale]

there are? 😱

[wise veldt]

!rank

[solemn lava]

valid

[idle fjord]

I don't wanna talk to them like that

[wise veldt]

FUck

[unborn vector]

there are lots here too

what are we saying

😭

[wise veldt]

How do people get so many levels

[leaden prism]

https://tenor.com/view/pov-sackboy-clank-5-gif-17994915321701273254

[wise veldt]

I need the forbidden sini spam channel

[solemn lava]

all im sayin is im clear. now idk about some of you guys

theres def something wrong with some people here.

[dim gale]

guy in this gif got banned a week ago ggs

[idle fjord]

@bronze jay don't react me like that

[unborn vector]

can somebody help me for 3rd bot in advanced

[solemn lava]

but i am not associated.

[unborn vector]

i have astra pace

on first two

[idle fjord]

😭

[unborn vector]

nova

[solemn lava]

fuck no its assx

[unborn vector]

definitely not astra gg

[leaden prism]

Wtf

[unborn vector]

im on 19cm and gm pace is ez to hit

but 3rd bot is just aids on this sens

i cant

[solemn lava]

did people think that was legit tracking??

[idle fjord]

Say you swear

[solemn lava]

yea

[idle fjord]

Guy?

With a skin like that????

[leaden prism]

I dunno clip has like 3 seconds of trwcking

Could be cut as well

[unborn vector]

actually

[dim gale]

isnt that amaki