health

[fresh crystal]

my sleep is well but i dont think im getting my vitamins in

[tranquil sand]

maybe iron deficient

[fresh crystal]

perhap

[pearl bolt]

Does anyone know if u can take NyQuil/dayquil or basic Advil with amoxicillin and prednisone ? I googled it and it says just increased side effects.

prednisone is a steroid and amoxicillin is the antibiotic

Jus wondering cus I took both around 9 pm yesterday and I woke up coughing bad anyways (it’s 2 am)

[kindred galleon]

If your doc is cool you should ask a bloodwork, it makes for a great baseline to know where you're deficient or where you're fine. Depending on the country it might be costly tho, I know here in France we're lucky w this

[fresh crystal]

Thank tou vro

[mystic niche]

anyone have any tips for radial/thumb side wrist pain from aiming? after a decently long session i am unable to bend my wrist forwards or backwards almost at all and have a severe pain when doing so

[kindred galleon]

You're under constant wrist tension if you have that kind of pain. Integrate ROM stretches and exercise, and try to identify where the tension lies when playing

[rose stratus]

what type of thumb pain

[cobalt needle]

it was like

hmm

[rose stratus]

cus i have the same shi

but mine is really bad to the ponit

[cobalt needle]

yk that spot where you bend the thumb at

Like

[rose stratus]

i prob have to stop gaming for like 3 months

for it to heal

[cobalt needle]

a bit below the nail joint

[rose stratus]

okay do you have

twitching?

[cobalt needle]

the one that moves

Twitching??

What the fuck

[rose stratus]

does your muscles like burn?

[cobalt needle]

holy shit

[rose stratus]

or is it like just pain

[cobalt needle]

nah it was like

stinging

for example

[rose stratus]

okay okay then ur fine

[cobalt needle]

if i was doing things and id bend my thumb back

it would sting pretty bad

[rose stratus]

just prob from tension

[cobalt needle]

yea

it’s bc my claw grip

[rose stratus]

mine is like way worse

yeah

so ur chilling

[cobalt needle]

thumb was curled too much

[rose stratus]

just focus on tension

[cobalt needle]

so i just flattened it and it went away

[rose stratus]

thats good

[cobalt needle]

i think i need a different mouse tho gpx is too flat

[rose stratus]

yeah i was just wondering

mine is so bad bro

[cobalt needle]

i feel like my claw grip is too inconsistent

bro

[rose stratus]

my thumb be tensiong twitching burning

[cobalt needle]

that shit sounds so scary

I won’t lie

[rose stratus]

like so much bad shit

[cobalt needle]

like I lowkey get depressed when I get pain

[rose stratus]

but sumtimes

i feel nothing

[rose stratus]

same bro

[cobalt needle]

bro

whar did you even do 😭

[rose stratus]

just used to like dealth grip

FOR YEARS

ina diff game i used to play

when i was younger

and like now i dont but like

from the past years still affects me

its so bad bra

[cobalt needle]

bro….

tbf

when you’re young like that you do some pretty dumb shit

but man

that sucks

[rose stratus]

yeah

it does indeed suck

[cobalt needle]

I have a similar thing

not pain

[rose stratus]

idk ima have to stop gaming for like 3months prob

[cobalt needle]

but I lowkey destroyed mt wrist

[rose stratus]

let it fully heal

[cobalt needle]

my

yea

do that

it should heal

hopefully

[rose stratus]

ive never really had wrist pain

suprisingly

[cobalt needle]

idk how I even did tbh

like

[rose stratus]

cus i have like calm aim not flicky

[cobalt needle]

me doing wrist aim for legit less than a year cooked me so bad

[rose stratus]

but i tensed alot

[cobalt needle]

I have no idea how

[rose stratus]

from anxiety

[cobalt needle]

I still don’t understand

ah

yea I only get clicks now

and like

grinding

no pain though so I don’t care

as long as there’s no pain I don’t see it as a bad thing

[rose stratus]

ye u chillin gang

[cobalt needle]

so like

the pain comes and goes right?

[rose stratus]

i mean like idk sumtimes its like not noticeable but like

but mine doesnt come like after grinding or sum

i could just be laying in bed

and it hurts

or even when i first get on its hurts

im just cooked

[cobalt needle]

dude

where is the pain at?

[rose stratus]

like i have a cracking problem too

[cobalt needle]

wait bro

Dude

[rose stratus]

like my thumb feels like it needs to be cracked

[cobalt needle]

That’s what I have

wtf

AHAHAHAHAH

ITS THE SAME

[rose stratus]

like every min

LOL

no way

[cobalt needle]

IT IS THE EXACT SAME

[rose stratus]

LOOOOOOL

[cobalt needle]

IVE ALWAYS WONDERED THAT TOO

dude

[rose stratus]

i been told cracking it isnt bad

but i dont believe that

[cobalt needle]

I never asked

[rose stratus]

cus like bro

[cobalt needle]

I don’t think it’s bad either actually

bro is yours actually bad

[rose stratus]

cus cracking it does make it feel like better

[rose stratus]

yeah bro i know

[cobalt needle]

wait really?

mine does nothing

I can just crack it

but that’s about it

[rose stratus]

but worse at the same time

[cobalt needle]

weird

[rose stratus]

like sumtimes better its weird

[cobalt needle]

I guess that’s part of the progression

[rose stratus]

yk like ur thumb muscle near ur palm?

[cobalt needle]

hmmm

like the spot where the thumb
Connects to the hand??

idk how to explain it I might need you to show on a example hand

[rose stratus]

that muslce for me be like burning/tensing/twitching like stiffing while i be playing

im dead just gon take like a 3 month break

then come back idk

[cobalt needle]

woah……….

that lowkey is insane

I didn’t even know there could be pain there

well

[rose stratus]

i need to go to the doctor cus i know sum fully wrong w it and they just gon tell me to like take a break for months and let it heal

[cobalt needle]

it might not even be a break it could be a grip change

[cobalt needle]

ngl that’s why I haven’t gone either

[rose stratus]

i ws thinking that too lowk

[cobalt needle]

are you a pc player

[rose stratus]

yea

[cobalt needle]

bro what is your mouse grip

[rose stratus]

yah same cus like ima just take the break on my own

[cobalt needle]

like no troll I changed my grip and it just went away

[rose stratus]

no rzn to go for them to just tell me too take a break

but at the same time

i wanna just go to like

idk just to like fully know

to get it like fully checked yk

[cobalt needle]

I mean yea

I think some type of scan can show if it’s a more serious problem

so it could be worth

or the doctor just knows

[rose stratus]

i think i use the carpal one

[rose stratus]

wait its so blury

[cobalt needle]

LMFAO

[rose stratus]

this one

[cobalt needle]

which one is carpal

[rose stratus]

green is whats touching the mouse

[cobalt needle]

I see

im confused what kind of grip that is

so it’s like some claw grip??

[cobalt needle]

lowkey a pic of you just holding it would be easier

[rose stratus]

but my problems

deff came from this

my anxiety is really bad tbh

so thats def a big part

in ma pain bra

[cobalt needle]

the anxiety causes direct pain?

[rose stratus]

i mean yea

causes me to like tense and dealth grip

when i try not to

and doing that causes pain

[cobalt needle]

damn I see

is your palm touching the mouse?

[rose stratus]

only

a little bit

[cobalt needle]

interesting

this might not be fixable by just a grip change..

I think you’re right going to the doctor

[rose stratus]

yeah

[cobalt needle]

although maybe you should also look into doing palm grip

or something like that

[rose stratus]

my mouse too small for that i think

i got sum bigger ones

ill try them maybe

[cobalt needle]

my theory too is that since you have basically no palm support or like the lower part of the hand it causes you to do more tension on the thumb yk

like it’s putting stress to the other fingers

that’s my guess

[rose stratus]

yea

ive thought that tooo

and like a diff grip that would take away the tension on my thumb

and put it somewhere else

or sum

[cobalt needle]

yea

bc like

I do have the same problem as you just not as bad

and I have a lot of palm support

so I think maybe a grip change can help actually

bc obv a break will help

but it’s just gonna come back if you don’t fix the cause

[rose stratus]

true

i mean shi i hit top 10 in radiant and like abunch of nova scores i might just stop gaming deadass 😭 🙏

[cobalt needle]

nah bro

[rose stratus]

it mightve came to an end

[cobalt needle]

what’s the point if you can’t keep going

nah don’t think that way bro

unless you have something better to replace it with

then yea actually quit gaming bro LMAO

[rose stratus]

ye i might have to bro

ngl

using my palm

i feel more ass cus im not used to it

but it lowk feels nice

and takes away tension in my thumb

lowk

[cobalt needle]

well yea

like it does make sense why pros typically use claw and fingertip type of styles

since you get more control than palm (I meant to say palm has less)

but dude you can still definitely be top 0.01% in any game using a palm grip

[cobalt needle]

yea just experiment like for me I changed my grip and it eventually went away

[rose stratus]

primmie uses palm

[cobalt needle]

ok primmie uses some fucked up grip tho LMFAO

[rose stratus]

and hes like one of the best if not the best mech/aimers in val rn

[rose stratus]

YE

LMAOA

[cobalt needle]

like cmon

plus I feel like he’s good bc of his movement

not just raw mechanics

[rose stratus]

na his aim is crazy

[cobalt needle]

although his aim is still crazy

like

your grip really doesn’t matter

[rose stratus]

movement is key too

[cobalt needle]

it’s what’s most comfortable

bc once you get used to it

then you can be just as good

[rose stratus]

i got really good movement too and back then i had very mid aim

but i was still like imm3

just from my movement

being mad good

[cobalt needle]

yea so get a comfortable grip and you’ll be chilling again

that’s why im looking into other mice besides the gpx

[rose stratus]

my fingers is like going off my mouse

when i use palm

[cobalt needle]

death adder v3 pro

[rose stratus]

like a whole tip of every finger

is basically off the mouse

[cobalt needle]

yea you need bigger mouse

[rose stratus]

yee igghh gl with ya grind and thumb n shi safety was fun talkin tho @cobalt needle

im bouta dip

[cobalt needle]

ty bro hope your pain goes away soon

sg see ya

[rose stratus]

you too you too

[kindred galleon]

I highly encourage you guys to explore new mouse shapes and gripstyles, to find a point where you can feel like the hand is just resting on your desk and the mouse just disappears

this discussion was highly informative for newcomers to the health part of gaming tho, nice to have it on this channel

[remote rock]

Hello Voltaic peeps, I need to ask for mental advice. I mainly play cs2 and I think im decent at it, but I have kinda hit a wall mentally where I dont perform well in like my prem games for example, and I still need to fully get into faceit but its just so bad at the moment where I go into games and just have a bad start which automatically the entire rest of the game feels bad. I dont know why this started but its kinda just a confidence issue with overthinking everything. I just need advice on how to tackle this issue.. I have taken a few days off playing prem so far.

[hasty stag]

maybe try posting in #cs2 there's some big brains there

[remote rock]

Will do ty ty

[kindred galleon]

When I was grinding ranked in Val, at some point I just had to put on music and tune my brain somewhat off. It helped me focus on gunfights and my gamesense/intuition, and I climbed better thanks to it

[remote rock]

I worry that I wont hear things.. cuz I catch myself not hearing callouts from time to time.. like being too much into the zone ya know? but this could be a good idea.. ill give it a try^^ thank you

[kindred galleon]

The music doesn't have to be loud, I liked having this to keep my cool

[cobalt needle]

that’s the goal

been researching a lot of different mice I just don’t know what to choose

[hot heath]

my wrist hurts but im close to getting a gm score, should I push through the pain or stop?

[hasty stag]

chill the gm score isnt going anywhere

[hot heath]

ur right, I should chill

[cobalt needle]

video games are never worth pain

[solar basalt]

hey, recently my index finger on my aim hand has been experiencing pain even tho i havent visibly changed grip

(recently as in like a day ago)

any advice?

[cobalt needle]

what is your grip?

bc like your grip could just be bad and it took up to this point to show symptoms

[solar basalt]

its like

weird

[solar basalt]

i think it was an issue at one point but it went away

[cobalt needle]

hmm yea from that angle I can’t tell

maybe someone else can help

[keen pike]

Hello, I've been having lots of fatigue in my arm, recently in my bicep area and its been pretty bad. For context I've been aim training again recently and I'm on an 11 day streak. I've been doing lots of tracking and dynamic clicking scenarios, but my bicep pain kind of flares up alot when doing tracking. I try to keep my tension low but I always find myself needing to tense up my arm a little bit so I kind have smoothness. But every time I do tense, even if its very little, the pain flares up a good amount. The pain also doesn't go away when I'm not aim training and lingers in my bicep. I don't see this type of pain talked much on this discord or reddit, so I'mn just trying to see if anyone knows how to deal with it. I've also been trying to stretch my bicep area to relieve the pain a little bit.

it may also be cuz im very skinny but it hasnt been a problem until recently

[kindred galleon]

where is the pain located exactly ?

[kindred galleon]

how long are your training sessions ?

[solar basalt]

around like

the upper end

but not like

yea

[keen pike]

30-1hr

i usually just do like 10 scenarios each at 2-3 reps nromally

[kindred galleon]

if it's in between the joints, you can relax. It could go away with weather changes, better hydration, etc. It will happen and go away on its own

[kindred galleon]

If you're really skinny as you say, you may need more breaks than you'd think

[keen pike]

i see

[solar basalt]

yea cuz like

i had this issue before

and it just went away

[kindred galleon]

yeah it's quite normal

being consistent with your hydration would be the most effective solution if it becomes a recurrent thing

[solar basalt]

coolio

ty

[keen pike]

should i just training every other day then?

[kindred galleon]

you can do it everyday, just take more breaks during your sessions

[keen pike]

ah ok

ty

[onyx oriole]

I need stretches for rsi

Both for avoiding and when there is pain

[obsidian comet]

google a few, but specifically hold the stretches for at least 15-20 seconds. I see people stretch for like 5 seconds and call it a day.

take frequesnt breaks during sessions and make sure ur setup is ergonomically sound

when it comes to wrist stretches assuming thats what u need there's not a whole lot to choose from. main thing is do some flexor, extensor and rotation type stretches and be consistent and take ur time

[mystic niche]

sorry for late response ( work ) i’ll try that and thank you. could this also be affected by mouse grip? i’ve recently slightly changed my grip for better control and it’s flared up badly after that, but it has persisted for 2 days now.

[kindred galleon]

If you maintain tension because of the new grip, then yeah it'd be related

[remote eagle]

is caffeine really help?

like from tea or some

[kindred galleon]

Depends yeah, most often it'll be beneficial

[obsidian comet]

as long as its not enough for you to feel wired and jittery, yeah.

[sly basin]

Is there any advice to help my mentality when playing. I tend to get mad in the game and kinda lack confidence when trying to perform peeks

I wanna learn how to get better at focus and improve my mental overall

[obsidian comet]

everyone gets mad during their games. Def learning when to take 30 mins off to settle after a bad game, or recognizing that bad days happen and not beating urself up about it. i think i big part of it is thinking to yourself "What can i control'. A lot of frustration in games come from bad teammates, toxicity, lag, cheaters etc. Instead of focusing on whats going wrong try to frame the mindset on what you can try to do right.

and i know we all want to be competetive, and doing so brings pressure to play to a certain standard, but remember it is a game and the main objective is to have fun. if youre grinding and it doesnt feel fun and you keep tilting over and over, it might be time to take a few days off until you feel the want to play again

[sly basin]

I feel like a lot of the times I get mad its just me like when I constantly get one tapped I get frustrated

I try to control my anger but its hard Im working slowly to accept that feeling and not let it get to me

Constantly losing kinda gets to me

Even when I feel relaxed I still lose lmao

I wanna learn how to be more consistent in my mentality and gameplay to win more games

Right now I feel relaxed but I feel like Im too relaxed and its affecting my aim

Not sure if Im overthinking lmao

[rich ore]

Just stop attaching emotions into ur games🫠

[floral belfry]

Hi can anyone kindly tell me what mouse grip is this?

[fathom raven]

fingertip

[obsidian comet]

Im assuming ur playing valo or cs. someone has to get onetapped dude. either you get to do it to them or they do it to you. You have to accept that sometimes your crosshair placement was just wrong for a certain peek, or whatever the situation was.

the only thing u can do to get better is to play the game and train your mouse control with aimtrainers, but first and foremost play the game.

[obsidian comet]

other people may have other opinions but the only way i can be consistent mentality wise, is to recognize the things i cant control and forget about them. Consistency doesn't really exist in games, your performance can be bad because of sleep, other things happening in ur life. Its just playing enough to where you fall on an average skill level despite the variables

[honest jungle]

my mental health is not looking great after 10 hours of straight hong kong cs2

i seek theraphist

[violet swan]

Does anyone know to what extent diet effects performance and improvement, links to articles would also be appreciated

[kindred galleon]

look up seal marines keto diet, they've been testing diets for sports perf etc

[kindred galleon]

stick to a plan for your round. Have fallbacks ready if you can't hold the position you were given. Know how to retake the sites, and give com to your mates so you can exec those retakes.

That's the best way to ensure consistency ime, even if you lose your fights if the plan was right then you know exactly what to change the next round

[violet swan]

I'll take a look

[violet swan]

I couldn't find anything about this other than improvements while having a lack of oxygen which while playing games I don't really have a problem with 😂

Was there any specificity it helped or improved upon?

[obsidian comet]

a poor diet can exacerbate fatigue symptoms, low energy levels which can massively hinder reaction times and concentration. Increased stress on your body and your mind if you lack basic nutrients.

The extent of which will vary from person to person, and depending on deficiencies and the like.

This study doesn’t really look at the same people with different diets to see the difference a diet makes but this might provide some insights https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/nutrition/articles/10.3389/fnut.2023.1120303/full

[violet swan]

I appreciate that a lot thanks for taking the time ☺️

[obsidian comet]

no problem 🙏

[abstract path]

Hello, i have a specially proeminent pisiform bone (picture) at my right hand, after few hours of playing/ aim training it starts to hurt me, should i worry about it or just live with it as its just a bone and not muscle or tendon

[old bay]

yo weird question, i tried kovaaks for the first time and i found it so much harder than any game that ive played before, but most importantly, my mind and body fell under stress for literally no reason to the point of giving me nausea, anyone has any clue as to why this is? i cant control it its a weird physical reaction

[marsh latch]

learn proper tension management and stop pushing your hands too deep into your mouse pad

[obsidian comet]

You might have anxiety bro

[old bay]

yeah this is not news haha, but idk why it becomes so bad with this one game in particular, never seen this happen before at this extent

[obsidian comet]

maybe you’re stressed because you want to perform a certain way which triggers it. i’m not sure.

[abstract path]

i have felt the same when i started, mostly in tracking scenarios, i think its a form of frustration of not managing to success in what you are doing, anyways, it disapeared for me after 5-6 hours of playing

but if you are naturally an anxious person it might take longer for you or just come from something else

[abstract path]

i'll try to focus on this, thanks!

[old bay]

oh aight, maybe ur right

ill just have to stick with it for a week and see if it still there

[late grail]

i have essential tremors and i prolly got the least favorable setup for it (skypad 4.0, light mice, 24cm most of the time) but i can make it work most of the time (s4/s5* gm, 13k controlsphere on 24cm) and i hold the mouse with minimal tension but obv still bc of the tremors some days i just perform a lot worse, are there any exercises i can do to make them more managable?

[ancient wren]

I always have brain fog and can't focus much on my games, is it really something diet related? To be fair,I don't work out either. I used to go to the gym for like a month or two but didn't really feel a difference when it comes to my energy.

[thorny jungle]

Have you tried drinking tea? Caffeine + L-Theanine from tea can help with brain fog and get you concentrated on the game.

Ugh, I believe for the first time I got wrist tendinitis, or something related to inflamed tendons after aim training a bunch today. I get dull pain in my forearm/wrist from moving my fingers and my wrist.

[crimson agate]

Is Japanese matcha a good source of both ?

[hasty stag]

might wanna work on mindfulness, i recommend waking up app

[thorny jungle]

Matcha has the highest L-Theanine content, while caffeine amount is about the same compared to other green teas, so yes, it is a good source of both. You're also consuming the ground-up tea leaves, which contain all the compounds, unlike regular tea where you'd need to brew it for 15–30 minutes total to extract all the caffeine and L-Theanine into the water—whether using the gongfu brewing style (many short infusions with a small amount of water) or the Western brewing style (one long infusion with more water). Though the former will be tasty drink while the latter will be a bitter "medicine".

[thorny jungle]

I make me some good matcha whenever I need to reduce stress, improve concentratation, and get energy boost without jitters.

But I think after drinking matcha so much for the past 2 weeks, I've grown some tollerance to caffeine and L-Theanine, and it's having less effect on me. I might have to take break on any teas to get tollerance levels back, or I'll be just wasting too much tea for the same effect.

[sly basin]

This helped than you

[sly basin]

Alright thanks for the advice Ill try that

[frigid snow]

giveaway 50$ steamcommunity.com/988765092016

[thorny jungle]

[ancient wren]

[neon shale]

I have pain in this part of the hand when i twist my hand. How can i fix it and do i need to stop playing games for sometime or no?

I also go to the gym and it hurts when i to biceps curls and anything that twists my wrist

[kindred galleon]

Most likely you're compressing this part when playing, meaning your grip isn't a neutral one. Relax more when playing, and use cold/hot contrast to heal this part faster

[neon shale]

Should i change the exercises i do at the gym to some that dont twist my wrist as much or is that not needed?

[kindred galleon]

Depends on how much weight you apply on the joint, if there's little to no pressure then it's OK, it won't affect recovery. If you do Arnold press with 35kg dB yeah you're going to f your wrist up

[neon shale]

Alright thanks a lot

[hasty stag]

if it hurts then don't do it

[violet swan]

Id imagine getting stronger overall through lifting/resisting training could help

[late grail]

alright thx i am already lifting so hopefully it will help in the future

id assume its forearm exercises that would help the most?

[final hedge]

Anybody have any Forearm stretches or something to not make my forearms tensed?

[tight marlin]

is there a recording for casey's talk from last night?

[latent arrow]

Yo i'm missing my body can I still practice with Aimlabs?

[kindred galleon]

?

[hasty stag]

wait for neuralink

[latent arrow]

It like ran away without me

[slender cobalt]

how to reset eye strain?

[kindred galleon]

Look at far away objects, preferably for as long as you can

[slender cobalt]

is there any specific way i should do it or should i just sit outside for 5 minutes and stare far away

[kindred galleon]

Yeah that helps, having simple exercises like panning at a slow and constant speed from one extreme of your vision to the next. Basically stretching all the muscles, when looking at a screen you're holding your muscles tight so the eye focuses up close

[glossy chasm]

is there a physical explanation why 800dpi flicks feel more stressing on the musculature and more arm related that higher DPI (on same Sens)

[marsh latch]

what? that doesnt make sense youre travelling the same distance with your mouse. BIG maybe less dpi is more of a jittery movement than more dpi which makes it harder to track the movement leading to more death gripping? smells more like copium if im being honest

[nocturne cove]

i have very bad wrist pain after 20-30 mins of aim training its on the right side of my wrist and its sharp, any ways to fix this? i stretch my wrist and fingers before i play

[ornate musk]

You mean something like 45 cm/360 on both 800 and 1600 dpi or like 1.154 cs2 sensitivity on both 800 and 1600 dpi? The first one can only do such a small difference that it does not affect anything (it's more precise by about twice as much, but it's so minimal, that you will never feel it), the second one is just that you need to move twice as much and that is why you will have more use of your musculature and arm than with the higher dpi (and sensitivity)

[ornate musk]

Do less aim training and increase it as time goes. Start with 10 minute per session this week, if it's easy, go with 15 and the 20 and so on, If you have pain with 10, reduce to 5, if you still have pain and it's not muscular pain, then you probably need to do something about your wrist then. I can't tell you what would be the best, but if I know where exactly, like if you point it out on a drawing/picture or something, it would be easier to recommend some exercices for it, but it might or might not help.

[kindred galleon]

Play with your whole arm, from the shoulder and pecs even. Try and keep your wrist loose the whole time when playing, use the big muscles in your arm for big movements

[honest jungle]

if i cut wood for 5 hours a day everyday how long would it takes untill i become a chad

[marsh latch]

instant

[nocturne cove]

im so washed up stamina wise 💔 used to run 4 hours daily with no issues

[ornate musk]

I mean muscle stamina, so how much your muscle can go on for the kind of movement they do. There is also the tendons and other part of your body that need the stamina for it when aim training and such.

[rose vale]

what are some healthy energy drinks? maybe not HEALTHY but more healthy then shit like monsters. I started drinking gfuel the past month or 2, and actually is so much cheaper than buying cans of monsters lol

[kindred galleon]

Tbh Gatorade and gfuel are pretty legit lol

I really, really like powerade blue but that's about it, for stimulating stuff I take nootropics

[rose vale]

Gatorade has their own energy drinks?

I just heard gfuel was a healthy alternative and it’s like under a dollar a serving or something compared to energy drinks which are like 3-4 dollars a serving lol

[sleek flower]

Anyone have any tips for too much shoulder tension while aiming, or might know what could be causing it?

[hazy epoch]

i like the v8 energy drinks

[kindred galleon]

Your desk might be too high

[sleek flower]

Oh yeah it 100% is

I wanna get a shorter desk whenever I get a new one

I already sit on a blanket

[obsidian comet]

black coffee with nootropic supplements

Powerade and Gatorade at least where i live are just electrolytes. not really sure if id call them energy drinks unless ur actually working out for extended periods or already dehydrated. gfuel at least from what im looking at in tub form have some great ingredients at dosages that make most of it pretty much worthless imo

[tiny matrix]

Recently got the all clear from the doctor to start training again I decided to play some kovaaks now I suck hella even in game I’m butt cheeks my aims just shaky man any one got any pro tips ?

[obsidian comet]

just keep playing. muscle memory exists in a physical sense and like in a bodybuilding context after time off u can get back to where u once were quicker because that work has been done before.

[tiny matrix]

my fine comtrol is like that of a player who has never touched a mouse

[obsidian comet]

yeah bro, its normal.

if i dont use my pc for a month it legit feels like i gotta relearn everything, but within the week im pretty close to where i was before

just dont sweat ur scores and get the reps in

[tiny matrix]

yeah i was told my motor control might not be the best ima just go make a easy playlist

[obsidian comet]

yeah especially coming of what im assuming is an injury of some sort it might take longer so dont push urself too much just get the motions in and youll be fine man

[tiny matrix]

thanks oscat

[thick spruce]

my pinky is bothering me so much

is it my mouse shape

i havnt had this issue before

or atleast inever noticed it

[stark owl]

Sugarfree monsters are the best energy drinks you can find to be honest

150 mg caffeine so not overkill, 1g taurine and vitamins b6

Supplementing all of these would be the same other than maybe better vitamin absorption

And against all the memes i'd say Prime is also decent as an electrolyte mix drink lol, it has decent forms for the minerals. Shame it's expensive compared to just buying a mix and some flavours are shit

[obsidian comet]

I know its more effort, but i prefer to buy in bulk the supplements i like to use. and either make a coffee or buy caffeine pills. That way you can get an efficacious dosage of things like taurine, electrolytes or the things you find valuable. and it ends out to be super cheap. Just more of an upfront cost i suppose

ik ADLI isn't a place everywhere but if im lazy i just buy a rip-off ALDI sugarfree redbull lol. shits like less than 2 AUD here with 150ish mg of caffeine.

[rose vale]

This is something I didn’t think I would ever hear lmao

[rose vale]

I doubt anything is that cheap in the us 😭

[obsidian comet]

its a godsend lmao, they have some bomb flavours and the original tastes exactly like redbull.

[rose vale]

The reason I get gfuel is mainly because it’s like 30-40 dollars (46-61 AUD) instead of buying 40 different monsters which are like 3-4 dollars each (4-6 aud) which is like 120-160 (185-247 aud) and you also mix it into water

1.3 aud a serving compared to 5.5 aud

Big difference

[kindred galleon]

I like using gaba supplements when gaming, I get great focus from Baikal Skullcap. Big ass dose of Lion's Mane + Cordyceps gets you super wired as well

[obsidian comet]

this is just my opinion when it comes to gfuel specifically is that u might as well just get a caffeine tablet and chose a few supps like taurine that you find useful and just buy seperately. only because most of the other stuff in gfuel isnt at a dosage to where it has much if any of an effect

[rose vale]

Hmmm that’s fair

I do like the taste of gfuel tho

[obsidian comet]

the only downside is you dont have flavours etc or something to sip on

yeah

[rose vale]

I mean I like the taste of monsters more lol but those are way more expensive

[rose vale]

Interesting, is caffeine and taurine usually what is needed for energy and focus? Or are there more

[obsidian comet]

yeah it just depends if you want to do it the cheapest and healthiest way, while also being effective thats how id do it, but you have to put in a bit more effort and forego the flavour aspect so its really kinda tradeoffs and the balance that u like

caffiene is the heavy lifter in things like gfuel and preworkouts etc. It does most of the energy and focus aspect. other supps help forsure but id say caffeine is almost the most potent part of mix's and things like that. Ive personally had a good run with taurine though. theres a multitude of other nootropics for focus and things though

the ones i use pretty much is just Alpha gpc, tyrosine and l theanine. creatine has also shown to haave cognitive benefits from memory

[rose vale]

I see thanks, is taurine at 1000mg low?

[obsidian comet]

i think 1g dosage is a fair dose

[rose vale]

That’s how much my gfuel has

[obsidian comet]

the upper limit is somewhere from 3g-10g

thats good then

[rose vale]

I can show you the label one sec

I’m just curious what might be lower than others

[obsidian comet]

alr

[rose vale]

It’s annoying that it curves around the thing lol. Hard to take 1 picture

I’m ngl idk what half that shit is besides caffeine and taurine LOL

[obsidian comet]

l tyrosine is usually 100-150mg per kg bodyweight, so like thousands more. Citrulline malate pretty much a useless dose. for any sports benefits ur looking at like a minimum of 5000mg. the antioxidant thing is a blend, so it goes in order of most of an ingredient to least usually, but the whole things is 26mg so i imagine not much of that does anything

the rest im not familiar with

Citrulline is so goated but in an aimtraining aspect probably has no real use. For the gym tho, 10/10 pumps

[rose vale]

I try to workout more recently but I don’t actually go to the gym

My social anxiety is so bad lmao

[obsidian comet]

used to be the same bro. used to think everyone was looking at me in the mirror. you soon realise everyone in there is there for the same reason and theyre legit just looking at themselves

but if you do manage to get out your comfort zone and go to a gym find a friend if possible to come with. ever since ive started going its made my social anxiety soooo much better. because of the confidence in how i look also but just getting out there and sometimes having a chat to people

[rose vale]

I'm sure working out at home could still work right?

I mean maybe not as much, they have way more equipment lol

[obsidian comet]

yeah for sure, it can be harder to hit certain muscle groups specifically but overall home workouts are still great especially if you have access to dumbells and a bench of some kind

a pullup bar, some dumbells and a bench will get you 70-80% of the way there provided ur diet is good enough and u train to failure

[rose vale]

I'm not 100% sure how to go about a good diet ngl

[obsidian comet]

depends on ur goals really. gain weight, lose weight

[rose vale]

I'm in a decent spot I think I mean idk

[stark owl]

Yeah monster here are often 1,20€ or even less with discounts so i just get them. Especially because i like some of them flavours lol

[stark owl]

Yeah this is pretty useless

Severely underdosed. Also wtf citrulline for videogames

[rose vale]

bro. what.

1,20

yea its like 5,5 for us

insane

I don't really get discounts

[rose vale]

have u heard of GamerSupps or Ghost Gamer

idk if those are better

[stark owl]

Imma be honest most of those are basically useless. Heavily underdosed. Only worth for taste. The only actual useful supplements if you don't have everything else health maxxed out is caffeine. The rest you either have perfect health a la bryan johnson or you are an hyper responder which is extremely rare

Faster and more efficent getting adderall subscription than wasting time and money on trying supplements combos

[rose vale]

I see

[rose vale]

Are the majority of supplements like multivitamins completely useless?

If you don’t have like an actual diet that covers most of it

[stark owl]

multivitamins are good if you find ones with good forms. They are not cheap however.

I workout and usually use multi during cutting periods

During bulks i can get micronutrients much better

[rose vale]

I have a pack of like 200, my diet isn't the greatest because I would kinda eat whatever lol

I was gonna take them, and transition into a good diet

haven't got to that yet

sometimes I lack motivation

[hasty stag]

also creatine no?

[stark owl]

uhh yeah but..people can be non respondant to creatine

to supplementation yeah

[rose vale]

I’m just kinda stuck on how often I should work out, what workouts, what foods I should try eating more, supplements that might actually help in general or before gaming sessions ect

[stark owl]

workout is mainly personal

food you can find tons of guides

[kindred galleon]

there are so many more

[hasty stag]

3 times full body or 4 times upper lower per week

hit like 2-3 sets per muscle group per session

should be chilling

[kindred galleon]

ask an ai lol, legit a good strat the diet plan it's given me is solid

[rose vale]

3 times sounds fine for me, I was planning tho, on monday, tue, fri as upper and middle with tuesday and thursday running like a mile or 2

[hasty stag]

upper and middle?

[stark owl]

the fuck is middle lol

Btw i used to run a split like this on 4 days: pull / push rest rest arms + shoulders rest chest + back legs rest and repeat

but i had overdeveloped legs so i was only training them once a week

now i am on upper lower pull push lower

[rose vale]

idek if abs counted as upper or not lmfao

I figured upper was like chest and up

and lower being like legs

I have 2 dumbells that are 10 pounds each, that's all the equipment I have

[hazy epoch]

100x10 bicep curls at 70 lbs

only thing you need

[hasty stag]

i think abs are called core

[rose vale]

ye ye

[hasty stag]

or abs

[rose vale]

idk I lift cars over my head

[obsidian comet]

i do 3 days a week, chest back and bicep day, shoulder tricep and forearm day, then leg day. Each day with 2 variations to focus on different areas.

6-8 rep range on most things except closer to 8 on isolation type exercises

i spread it out and do 5km runs and train martial arts inbetween those days and rest completely on the weekend

It’s not really the most optimal plan for anything specifically but as a whole that shit has made me the strongest and fittest i’ve been ever.

[stark owl]

forearm day is crazy

[obsidian comet]

its an arm day lol, i forgot to add bicep again in there i hit them twice a week, forearms just apart of it

forearms only would be diabolical work

almost an arnold split really

[gaunt condor]

hi

im arnold enjoyer

arnold split

[obsidian comet]

myy man

[gaunt condor]

twice a week

rn im on 39.5cms

of arm

2 years traaining

is it good

[obsidian comet]

like bicep measurements?

[gaunt condor]

yea

is it good

i think yes

but

i have body dysmorphy

[obsidian comet]

depends where you started man. biceps are hard to grow for the most part. But for twice a week i think thats pretty good. You think its good so thats all that should matter brotha

[gaunt condor]

biceps is my worst genetic

part

my best genetic part is the leg

then lats aand triceps

i love triceps

[obsidian comet]

mines the opposite haha, my legs are the worst and biceps the best. I havent actually measured my biceps in years i should maybe measure them soon

[gaunt condor]

can i send images

here?

this is how i looked on octb 2024

now im on like an aggro cut for summer

but i only have 1 month and a half to aggro cut

[obsidian comet]

i think so, might be more suited for fitness channel but its health either way so shouldnt matter

[gaunt condor]

and can i send it in fitness better?

[obsidian comet]

up to u bro

[gaunt condor]

idk is for u tu opine

idk if its said opine

ajjashajdh

opinion

for u to opinion?

sorry english not native

[obsidian comet]

all good brother i understand, yeah just send in fitness

[gaunt condor]

okai

#fitnn

#fitness

just to not search it xd

[obsidian comet]

ye that one

[hot dirge]

anyone had this pain with mouse hand? i used to get it after like 2 hours of playing now i get it like on my 2nd match, i swapped mice and changed my grip and it still hurts the same, did some strengthen exercise and stretching and i think it just made it worse idk

[kindred galleon]

often happens when your mouse is too narrow, you overgrip with the thumb and it ends up hurting after a while

[hot dirge]

i hope thats not the case because i love my current mouse so much

[kindred galleon]

do you claw ?

[hot dirge]

yeah but more of a relaxed claw

[kindred galleon]

that's often a claw grip issue yeah

[hot dirge]

guessing i need a wider mouse right ?

shame i really love my hitscan

[kindred galleon]

not necessarily even

you can just learn to relax, but my best rec will be 3D grips for your mouse

have a support under the thumb that'll alleviate the extra pressure you're applying

[hot dirge]

never heard of that ill look into it thank you

[fringe lynx]

I get like pressure here and light pain when doing flexion stretches. Carpul Tunnel or what?

It's recent too, Ive been doing these stretches very frequently over the last few weeks, along with actual wrist forearm workouts. I'm thinking this is starting from lack of sleep and healing.

[stark owl]

Could be carpal tunnel symptoms

Better go off for a week and see if it fixes

[kindred galleon]

most likely you're overdoing it w the stretches

[fringe lynx]

So stretch less, maybe massage more?

[cobalt needle]

how the fuck do I stop getting trigger thumb in my right hand

I tried a new mouse grip out and I got it from that and then i swapped back to my old one and it’s not going away

[frail lantern]

Hi, so hum, my wrist makes a lot of crack and sound when I turn it to warm it a little I do have a problem and my thumb bone is smaller than what it should be so I have a fragile wrist I would like to know if u know a way to make it better when me aim because it causes a lot of stutter in my aim

[kindred galleon]

Yeah, overdoing it will be more harmful than the game itself

[kindred galleon]

Cracking sounds aren't an issue, the stutters come from either friction or lack of habit. Try using fingers, wrist and arm all at the same time

[frail lantern]

i already use all my arms and all it's just really a discomfort like a explain my wrist is kind of in bad condition so i wanted to know if u know like any strech or thing to do to have a relief

like i have some pain

ngl

[kindred galleon]

https://youtu.be/y5qYeP5z2WI

His warm up is pretty good

[frail lantern]

i don't search a warmup i search something to not have pain ;-;

like just mooving my hand left to right make my wrist some crack

[kindred galleon]

Yeah, wzrming up before playing will help prevent the pains

[frail lantern]

but it's not only when i play

[kindred galleon]

Is the cracking that painful in itself?

[frail lantern]

depend

it like a spike of pain

[kindred galleon]

You might be underbuilt then, gain some muscle

[frail lantern]

close to a years that i can't do sport and all because had a heart problem ;-;

or i would actualy do sport or go to the gym ;-;

[hasty stag]

you should still be fine to train your forearm muscles no?

[frail lantern]

but with what ?

[hasty stag]

a light dumbell would work

but I'm not sure if you can do that with your condition

would be best to go to a doc i guess

[frail lantern]

my wrist is already diagnostic as a handicap

like since my 12 y old

or before idk well

might have to buy one then

[kindred galleon]

If you're that fragile, buy a really, really light mouse and play very high sens

[full pulsar]

I am developing program for people's health recently.

I think that it will help you before long.

[rare tree]

i get extreme anxietey and panic whenever i miss in klovaaks and get really frustrated but not in ranked in game

[fringe lynx]

Has anyone had their problems get better by switching their mouse grip?

I play a really aggressive claw, but I was using a more relaxed variant and it felt quite a bit more comfortable

[fringe lynx]

🫡

[full pulsar]

Hi

This is a diagnostic program. For instance, if you don't visit a hospital, you can select the area of pain and submit it to a doctor.

The doctor will then diagnose the issue and provide a recommended treatment. Currently, the probability of an accurate diagnosis is 60%, and we are working on improving this probability.

[cobalt needle]

anyone have a video of exercises to do for trigger thumb

shit keeps locking on me when I try to clear angles

[quasi spear]

i have wrist pain rn what is bbest resting posiiop palm up down or side?

[final hedge]

Hallo! Guys! whenever I go to the Gym and I do workouts with both of my arms my left entire arm is weaker than my Right arm, I think it might be because I play low sensitivity on Apex Legends, Or it is because of my Scoliosis back Surgery I have had 2 or So Years ago. Is there a way I can train my shoulder/entire left arm to fit my right arm?

I also feel like my Range of motion of reaching when doing like Chest excercises on my left arm is not on Par as my right one!

I would say it kind of looks like dis

These are the type of machines I am talking a bout

If anybody has any way to help please Dm me! 🙏

[obsidian comet]

It could be due to the surgery but especially if you’re new to the gym it’s normal to have an imbalance

Just train normally for the most part and eventually the lagging part will catch up

one way to do this is do one arm/whatever body part isolations with your weak side first. Say for example dumbell curls, and you get 8 reps to failure, switch to your strong arm and then only do 8 reps even if you can do a few more.

i’ve never had to do that though. i’ve just worked out normally until eventually my left and right are pretty much equal strength

Range of motion could be more related to the surgery although, which i wouldn’t know how to help other than doing flexibility/stretching routines

[brave acorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/683224300702138374/1283829786392793098/SPOILER_attachment.gif

[barren igloo]

How do you guys avoid leaning forwad into rounded shoulder? Feels like it's impossible when playing

[rose vale]

why are monster energys so expensive LOL, its like 60-70 bucks for a 24 pack

[stark owl]

American problems bro. I can often get 24 pack for less than 24 euros

[rose vale]

wow that's actually crazy

can u buy me a plane ticket out of here lmfao

I'm sure that's also 2k usd cheaper

[stark owl]

yeah bro if you want to work for 1200$ average a month

And pay more than half on rent/bills you are welcome

in 50k population cities

[rose vale]

that's still pretty crazy tho

i wonder how much profit they make selling a 24 pack for 70 bucks bro

its between 0.30 to 0.50 cents... and its sold for like 4 bucks each

[kindred galleon]

place your arms on your desk, dont let the elbows drop

[final hedge]

Thank you very much! 🙏 Dis is Very helpful! :D I thought I would have to do solmething different to fix it but I just need to keep doing it and it will catchj up! :D

[cerulean socket]

I got slight tremors so im basically doomed in being able to be a high rank aimer, but i was wondering if ill still be able to improve the more i aim train and maybe reduce how much my tremors affect my aim

[obsidian comet]

24 packs here in aus are like 30-40 USD worth. making it about 1-2 dollars a can

[rose vale]

das crazy

buy some for meh

[obsidian comet]

honestly you could try see if amazon australia ships free with prime to america. it would take like 2 weeks to arrive but theres a chance u get get our price for it lol

or other countries amazon

ive swapped to american amazon for a few niche products like balanced cables for my headphones and they shipped free and way cheaper than buying elsewhere

[kindred galleon]

I know a guy in Val who got immortal even tho he got tremors. He put the shoot action on his space bar and relies a lot on his movement, so it's possible in some games. For pure aim training it might be impossible to push through

[kindred galleon]

Don't drink monster, period. Go for a good coffee or yerba mate or else, you won't inject excess sugar in shitty forms and chemicals you clearly don't need

[rose vale]

I love drinking things that kill me slowly

[rose vale]

I changed from buying monsters to gfuel like 2 months ago, because I heard it was healthier, but then I was told here that the other ingredients besides caffeine are so low that it barely even makes a difference

[kindred galleon]

Their shitty vitamins in low bioavailable forms won't do you any good

You'll just pee all of it out

[cobalt needle]

what type of doctor do i go to for my hands/wrist??

i want to get them checked out bc i cant tell if i have arthritis or other conditions

[rich ore]

Caffeine pills, most effective way

[rose vale]

Nothing else just caffeine?

[rich ore]

Just caffeine

Otherwise you might as well just buy pwo

[rose vale]

is it more effective pill wise? and what amount should I go for

[obsidian comet]

pills are usually dosed at 100mg, which is the avg coffee. if your tolerance is higher just have 2 pills and ur good

then i just buy the supps i like in bulk and just take them with a caffeine pill or two. cheapest and healthiest way, no added flavours etc

L-Theanine, Taurine, lions mane, alpha gpc, even creatine is good cognitively.

its expensive for me as im not in america but i reccomend nootropics depo for best quality supps, but bulksupplements . com is good enough for large&cheap amounts of supplements

[kindred galleon]

https://nootropicsdepot.com/dynamax-plus/?searchid=13549062&search_query=Caffeine

This is the most effective caffeine I know of

[stone gulch]

My hand is cooked

[sand valve]

Hello, many people have a weaker side at first. Since you had scoliosis surgery, you might want to check with your doctor to ensure your left side weakness isn't nerve related.

The best way to fix your strength imbalance is doing exercises unilaterally (as oscat mentioned). Unilateral exercises mean you do the exercise on one side first and then on the other. So for you, you would start with your weaker left side first and do the most reps you can, then match the same number of reps you did with your other side. Over time, this will fix the strength imbalance.

For your limited range of motion on the machine, try dumbbells to see if the same thing happens. It might be your stronger side is overcompensating for your weaker side which causes the perception of limited ROM on the weaker side since you can't push as hard. If the same thing happens with dumbbells, I suggest you do stretching routines, especially for the shoulders and pecs. At home you can do doorway stretches for the pecs and arm circles + cross-body stretches for the shoulders. At the gym, make sure to warmup properly too.

If you need help with finding unilateral exercises or how to warmup properly, let me know

[rich ore]

Cost effective, healthy replacement for energy drinks and pwo. Dosage is something you can figure out by feel accorded by recommendations

[final hedge]

Thank ytou So Much! This is Super helpful!! :) :D I can't Tlak to my Doctor since he lives 2 Hours away from me and I think I see him in the next 5 Years he is my Surgeon I don't have a Full doctor just a Surgeon! 🙀

[modest notch]

i somehow made it a habit to aim with my shoulder aswell so it keeps tensing, is there any way i can revert back to using my arm, wrist and fingers only 😭

[sand valve]

That's okay, if the strength imbalance is still a problem in ~6 months, you might have to check with a physical therapist though. Goodluck!

[final hedge]

Hmmm I think I can fix it! So when I do the Chest/Shoulder Excercises I only do one arm at a time?

I usually do Both for those! 🙀

Or do you want me to only do it for like Biceps and stuff?

[sand valve]

For chest and shoulder exercises it might feel weird to do one side at a time, however I do recommend you use dumbbells for these until the strength imbalance is gone. For example you can do dumbbell bench press bilaterally (both sides at the same time), when your weaker side gives out, you stop the exercise even if your stronger side can do more reps.

I believe on isolation exercises like a bicep curl or a lateral raise you can do them unilaterally (one side at a time) starting with your weaker side.

The goal of this is to basically make your weaker side work harder than your stronger side while still giving the same amount of work to the stronger side so that your stronger side doesn't become the weaker side over time

[final hedge]

Awesomes! So basically Push the Weaker side even if your Stronger side can do more? :D

[sand valve]

Yeah, exactly that's the idea. That way your weaker side will catch up to your stronger side

[final hedge]

Awesome! Thank you very much!! :) I Really appreciate it!

[rose vale]

Besides caffeine is L-theanine and taurine all that is needed? Idk what the heck dynamie is

Do I even need taurine for gaming? Seems like a workout thing

I’m trying to find something similar

I’d probably have to take at least 2 pills but idk if 200 mg of l-theanine is too much

Tyrosine maybe?

[kindred galleon]

Having a 1:2 ratio for caffeine to L-Theanine is quite ideal for everyone, and you can gl so ouch higher for the dosage even 200 is rly safe

[kindred galleon]

Taurine doesn't get you pumped, it's actually the opposite

[kindred galleon]

Dynamine is an analog of coffee, almost the same but acts faster and doesn't crash you as hard once it tapers off

[kindred galleon]

Tbh you don't need anything, all those supplements should be considered an experiment/used for fun. You'll see differences, improvements even, but nothing extraordinary.

To me, supplements regulate the good days VS the bad ones. If I'm tired, using eleuthero and/or Rhodiola picks me up. If I'm feeling like I can't think straight, having brain fog etc I'll use Lion's Mane and/or Baikal Skullcap. Most supps do act that way

Some supplementation just boosts your overall level tho, there are some I've found to be just 10/10 daily. Creatine, EPA/DHA, astaxanthin are the main ones

[obsidian comet]

^ this. You dont 'Need' any of it in the end of the day. A great sleep on its own will always trump an energy drink with supps after a 6 hour sleep. Caffeine will straight up be the most effective, noticable effects. Other supplements add i suppose an 'edge'. Some people dont respond to certain supplements too, so having a massive stack can be a waste sometimes. But, i like messing around with different supplements cause i find it fun

But in the end of the day make sure you have a good sleep, be overall healthy and have a caffeine tablet/coffee and youll be pretty much peak performance in terms of gaming/aimtraining.

[rose vale]

I’m usually always tired despite my sleep

[hasty stag]

how's your sleep quality though

[rose vale]

Idk what you mean, I’m just tired most of the day lol

Idk how to tell my sleep quality

[hasty stag]

like is the room you sleep in dark, temperature, avoiding screen time some time before bed

[obsidian comet]

Go to bed the same time every night. Block out curtains. Have a cool bedroom. no screens an hour before bed (Or at least use the non-blue light mode at least). No Caffeine after 12pm (assuming your sleep schedule is somewhat normal)

Its not just about the hours but the actual quality of the sleep you get

[rose vale]

I pretty much do all of that

[obsidian comet]

Do you know if you snore?

[rose vale]

I do not

Pretty sure I do not have sleep apnea

[obsidian comet]

if you genuinely feel fatigued from waking up to throughout the whole day i would maybe have a look into shit like MTHFR gene mutations and shit too assuming you do not have sleep apnea or some other sleep related problems

[rose vale]

I still was gonna get an in lab sleep test I just haven’t done it yet

I’ve been on and off different meds finding what was right for me

[obsidian comet]

I had to go into a huge deep dive because my sleep was fucked, thought it was due to chronic sinusitis and stuff and but slept awfully after it was fixed. Found out what it was thru some genetic testing results and my parents telling me with what they're diagnosed with (both MTHFR gene mutations)

supplement what i need for it and sleep pretty well now

[rose vale]

I asked my doctor about that but he just laughed and basically said BS

[obsidian comet]

yeah alot of doctors for some reason dont like testing for it etc

no idea why to be honest

all the symtoms that the mutations can cause, both my parents have

Including ADHD, IBS, the whole list essentially.

i told another doctor after the testing telling her i had the mutation and she kinda just brushed it off like ah cool. anyways, refer you to a specialist. lol

[rose vale]

I mean all 3 of my family members were on anti depressants at some point

I’m pretty confident that I might have ADHD

I don’t think my mom or dad was

Could just be a this generation thing

Lol

[obsidian comet]

Yeah no idea. but yeah sleep is a bit of a rabbit hole for something that should just naturally work lol. But with medication in the mix already it does make it hard. If you can find the time/money for it def do the sleep study

when i have good sleeps it literally feels like im on performance enhancing drugs

[rose vale]

My body recently had been trying to sleep only 7-8 hours

Yet I’m still tired

I used to sleep way longer on the different medications I took

And I took a nap very often

Like I’m still kinda waiting because it’s only been about a month and a half on this new medication

[obsidian comet]

yeah best to wait a while especially with those types of meds. can take quite a while for things to level out

did you feel rejuvenated on the old ones? or just slept longer but still felt tired

[rose vale]

slept longer and felt more tired

more depressed

whenever I started taking these ones I felt better

or, maybe I actually just feel best off them

I thought last time I tried that I felt better for a few days then dropped

[rose vale]

I have this issue where after 1 comp game on valorant I’m just completely mentally drained and are like almost forced to take a nap, especially if I play another one

[sharp cargo]

def get tested for adhd bro, not just because of this but the constant fatigue is so relatable, i now take adhd medication and it helps me a lot to get stuff done and not just want to quit everything and go to sleep

also helps me eat better which helps out my health a lot too

[rose vale]

I'm taking something slightly more leaned towards ADHD

that's what I'm currently on, still new to it

[sharp cargo]

bupropion?

if thats what ure on it took me like a month or longer for the effects to level out, i did have to quti tho cuz it made my OCD/anxiety worse, but thats a separate issue

but it did help a ton

[rose vale]

yes thats what I'm taking

I tried prozac and zoloft I think they are called

I was 100% worse on prozac I was literally sleeping all day and was all tired

[sharp cargo]

im on it too rn and it definitely makes me hella sleepy

but the adhd stimulant im on counteracts it so its okay

ull find a combo that works for u , just dont give up looking

[rose vale]

yea its rough

sometimes I feel like maybe I got off a medication because of a coincidence

I remember feeling really good getting off medication, but then after a week or 2 it fell apart

[sharp cargo]

wdym?

[rose vale]

idk how to explain it lol

maybe I just had a super rough month and just thought it was the medication and swapped to a diff one

as an example ig

my doctor said if I really think its ADHD I should get tested but it costs like 100-200 bucks or something

a few hundred to a few thousand just to find out if you actually have something is just wild

[sharp cargo]

i feel that, it was probably the meds not working with your brain chemistry too well

[sharp cargo]

yup, even in europe here it costed a lot, but i guarantee you its worth it

if you do have it, theres a gazillion different medications for it in the US

[rose vale]

I get stuff for free from my doctor if they actually have it

but I am still new to this bupropion

[sharp cargo]

yh just have patience and talk everything out with ur doc

[eternal stag]

yeah sometimes when i aim train or play my pinky and ring finger aches anyone know how can i fix that?

[violet swan]

i havent played kovaaks in some time when i came back tonight my wrist is hurting soo much even tho it was going great i cant risk an injury any exercise i can do to calm my wrist

[cobalt needle]

yea

its never worth aim training if youre getting pain

oh mb i misread..im sorry LOL

[nocturne badger]

When I use fingertip grip my wrist doesn’t reach it max rom horizontally but when I use claw it can. Are there any potential problems I could causing on fingertip grip for my wrist to be so stiff

[knotty anvil]

my hands are shaky when i use wrist. is there a solution to fix it

[sand valve]

warmup your wrist properly, get blood flowing in there and try to keep tension lower

[stiff egret]

Keeping joints stiff for a longer period of time is never good. Just do some wrist exercises every couple of hours

[cerulean socket]

SAME, people keep saying that its just a skill issue or tension but its genuinely uncontrollable and its neither of those, imma go to a specialist soon cause this shit so annoying

[knotty anvil]

doctor said its fine, come back later if it gets worse

but im not fine

not when only aiming, just always my wrist is

[cerulean socket]

yup exactly, my main doctor said its just overuse from games wehn i barely play cuz this shit is so demotivating

just gonna go to someone who does tendons or wtv even a neurologist maybe

[sand valve]

tension management is important, even if you dont play a lot holding tension can tire out your muscles faster and the more it happens the longer it takes to recover from. having a more relaxed grip will not only cause less fatigue but also make your aim more consistent over the long term

if your forearm muscles are weak they can also contribute to less stability and hence more shakiness in your wrist/hand so it might be worth it to try strengthening exercises for your forearms and wrist if you havent already

and stretching can also help to prevent tightness from building up

if you've already tried all that it might be time to see a specialist like an orthopedist or a neurologist to rule out anything deeper, totally worth checking it out if you can

[stark owl]

Carpal tunnel brother

Once you have it is basically impossible curing it

Can only do so much to prevent pain

[obsidian comet]

i see youre new to the channel, are you new to aimtraining in general? if you are, or have had a long break also it can just feel that way starting out. eventually the shakyness subsides. Especially if you warm up properly.

[knotty anvil]

not new but noob

[obsidian comet]

This would mean they feel numbness and pain in their hands and wrists. Theyre just talking about shakyness. If anything id look towards repetitive strain injury as it is a little more common, and lines up more with what their doctor said, as if it was carpal tunnel the doctor wouldve made it a much bigger deal

[obsidian comet]

how long have u been training?

[knotty anvil]

200~300hr

[obsidian comet]

youve had the shakyness the whole time or recently became a issue?

[knotty anvil]

whole time i guess

not sure

[obsidian comet]

do you play alot of smoothness/tracking scenarios?

[knotty anvil]

not much, but i play

[obsidian comet]

last question lol do you feel any pain or discomfort normally or youre just shaky no pain

[knotty anvil]

shaky and no pain

[obsidian comet]

Alright well thats good. What id do if i were you is to focus more on tracking and smoothness scenarios, and turn your sensitivity up higher. this makes mistakes more noticabe in your mouse control, which means if you get better at controlling that sensitivity, you will have less errors at lower ones. That is my understanding of it. Id run 30cm-40cm

Warm up properly, 5 minutes at least before training

and try a scenario called VT TensionTrack i believe its called. It tells you when to tense and when to relax, give you an understanding in which scenarios you should be doing that in

[knotty anvil]

Ok

Tganks

Thanks*

[obsidian comet]

No worries, i hope it helps you!

[thorny cove]

Anyone know any like exercises or stretches I could do to help deal with pain in my fingers, wrist, and forearm

[obsidian comet]

theres a dedicated hand warmup routine somewhere in the resources channel

goes through hands, wrist, fingers and back posture all of that stuff

[indigo seal]

ahahahahahaha wtf

10/10 reinactment there

[carmine atlas]

Need help on guidance

My head is hurting. And shit went in shambles

[bronze wren]

shouler hurts when I aim train, is this posture issue or overuse possibly??

[rich ore]

Doubt it’s over used simply from aim training, most likely posture

[sleek flower]

my forearm and palm tense up really bad whenever I have to do anything thats very flick heavy. I get around 20 seconds of nice, clean, smooth aim, then my palm and forearm tense like crazy and it just gets shaky. What could possibly be the reason and a fix?

[soft geode]

#advice message
I had a similar problem before.

tl;dr, it's your posture and a bit of the scenario. it happens when you're moving your mouse down by using your shoulder. this can be fixed by moving more of your arm on the desk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9N5-PAFHY8 this is a really good video about it, but I didn't do much to fix my own problem, and I fixed it (moving more of my on the desk).

[bronze wren]

but even with any of the posture tips my shoulder still hurts and sometimes moves forward especially doing smoothbot or any scenario needing my arm to make most of the movements :(

[soft geode]

have you rested for the day after the pain?

when my shoulder was hurting, they were hurting no matter what scenario afterwards.

I decided to reset for the day and then tried a method to see if it fixed it.

the video shows more than what I said to alleviate the pain, so you can try what they say.

[bronze wren]

okokok tyyyyyy :3 illl tryy itttt

yea it maybe bc i need a rest. even laying my arm down causes a bit of painn

[gleaming apex]

My right hand ring finger has started hurting after being on kovaaks for ~15m, this started yesterday.
if it helps i use an op1 8k and have a '1-3-1' grip meaning i have my thumb and pinky on the side of the mouse, pointer finger on lmb, middle on wheel and ring on rmb.

is it just too much tension?

[rich ore]

Middle finger can get stiffed up very easily and therefore cause pain, hence why I don’t use that grip

[viral stone]

Does anyone have advice?
My wrist is so stiff and numb when aimtraining recently.
Not pain, not tiredness.
Feels like it's paralised or smth.
Can hardly even feel pain if I hit the area around wrist on my right hand, unlike when I hit area the around wrist on my left hand.

[silent knoll]

yo anyone know why my right eyelid is twitching randomly wtf. Must be my sleep or something

[obsidian comet]

do u stretch and take enough breaks? Numbness can be a symptom of carpal tunnel, numbness in fingers also or no?

[obsidian comet]

can be sleep, caffiene, diet. Mostly sleep and caffiene in my experience

[silent knoll]

yeah

must be sleep

[viral stone]

I do take breaks. but no stretching.
Only in wrist.

[tender junco]

you can fix your shakyness easily

anyone know why i lost my aim i'm 12cm/360 and idk i don't feel the same anymore

[obsidian comet]

Might be the wrong mention

[obsidian comet]

12cm is super high

[obsidian comet]

i’d recommend doing some wrist mobility/stretching and warming up. Can help performance but i think longevity is the main concern. fatigued muscles and tendons injure more often, and aimtraining even with good form and ergonomics still present a high risk for things like RSI and carpal tunnel.

[tender junco]

i'm master

[obsidian comet]

For certain scenarios 12cm might work. but it doesn’t mean that it’s it’s not limiting you from climbing further despite being master

[tender junco]

i'm on a lgpx 1 without skates so i don't think i can go further lmao

[obsidian comet]

No skates lol? what happened to them 💀

[tender junco]

i have the skates but it's the basic one for logitech so it's suck lmaooo

i hitted master tracking without mousepad & lgpx 1 lol

[obsidian comet]

now get a mousepad and some xray pad jades off aliexpress and hit GM haha

[tender junco]

i bought the ac2 not so long ago but i think it's bad because my lgpx has the basic skates from logitech

i hope i get a skypad soon 😭

frictionless mousepad are the best for high sens

[obsidian comet]

AC2 is still better than nothing regardless if stock skates tbf

[tender junco]

i still got big friction idk why

[pine juniper]

hello, if I shouldnt ask on this channel then sorry. I have big problem with fingertips sweating and forearm sweating while aim training (not when playing game). Can I do something with it? its pretty annoying. washind hands doesnt help (or maybe i have bad soap)

[alpine falcon]

any tips? i commonly get neck strain specifically the back of my neck only when i aim train im not sure why most likely posture but it makes doing my playlists more annoying causing interuptions and forcing breaks

[kindred galleon]

Watch out for desk and chair height, if your shoulders are pushed upwards it'll tire your traps and neck

[desert fern]

Did anyone encounter this pain? If so, then how do you fix this problem? I will describe the pain. When I play reactive scenarios after 3-2 minutes, my wrist starts hurting as if burning, and I feel almost bombed.

[granite grotto]

key

🔑

[upbeat hawk]

from personal experience its possible youre gripping your mouse too tightly or straining it from overusing the trainer

[kindred galleon]

You're pushing into the pad too much

[desert fern]

No, that is not all. I hold relaxed tension, and I don't know what causes

[bronze wren]

how come my shoulder raises even if my posture is completely optimized?? Im not sure why this happens. This causes me so much pain my shoulder and my traps.

[shut cliff]

any advice on hand fatigue. I dont know how to explain it but when im holding the mouse my index finger feels like its shaky but its not. Really dont know how to describe it. Like the finger feels tense similar to when your working out and about to lift to failure but without the soreness. The outside part of my wrist also feels the same way too.

to add to this, if I tilt my hand just a bit it feel a bit better. I guess it must be overuse and strain on muscles/tendons. Might have to do some stretching

[wraith musk]

IS WINDOWS 10 OR 11 BETTER FOR GAMING??

[cyan lichen]

ur desk is probably too high

i have the smae issue

[bronze wren]

oh really?? that could cause itt?? alrr ill try to lower it ;3

[cerulean socket]

@knotty anvil my neurologist says i have "Task specific dystonia" and i have the same exact issue with you using wrist to track

they gotta give me shots or someshit on my muscles or like retrain them to fix that

[knotty anvil]

I gotta search for that

[knotty anvil]

What did u test

[cerulean socket]

i searched up the machine and its called emg, he also asked me a bunch of questions of when it started and made me show him a bunch of movements like with my whole arm, my leg, my fingers and told me to recreate the movements

[knotty anvil]

i tested only moving arm or hand, drawing circle etc only simple things

he said theres no problem

but i think its not

he said its "Essential tremor" and done

my money disappeared

magic 🪄

[kindred galleon]

That's muscle memory probs, you need to train it out of your posture

[rapid laurel]

Maybe increase ur chair height to make sure ur arms are ar complete rest on ur desk. Am not an health expert btw

[winter sand]

Does anyone have like sleep tracker app for sleep debt?

[marsh latch]

im using auto sleep on ios

[slender pagoda]

thoughts on caffeine, noopept and citocholine

[final hedge]

Question for people who know about Forearms! If I do Extendor Forearm excersies and the opposite I forgot the name would it fix my Forearm tension when I play R5? or like Will it make my aim smoother or more a little more shakier?

[winter sand]

does it have a sleep debt tracker? I used rise sleep and i enjoyed it alot mainly because it had everything other sleep trackers had but it also had sleep debt and before i decide to actually pay for it i wanted to see some alternatives to with this feature

[hasty stag]

it might fix it or might not, you still may be just tensing too much

[final hedge]

True! I use to not Tense at all but I did one Forearm Excercise before then started tensing but I never did the Upper and Lower froearm both I think only lower!

[winter sand]

not saying it wont because i did have a pretty miserable grip endurance and working my grip helped me tuns in terms of tensing but in your case it seems like straight up just tension management

[final hedge]

Oh Oki! I feel like it is more on my Forearms

[winter sand]

oh no im not saying fix your grip enderance i was just giving you an example of how it can help

[final hedge]

Oh!

You think the Forearm excercises could work?

If I did both sides of them

[marsh latch]

Yes it does 👍🏻

[final hedge]

I only have done the Bottom forearms

[winter sand]

possibly but as i was saying it seems more of a tension management issue more then actual endurance it doesnt hurt to try it

[winter sand]

oooh ill have to try it out i have adhd so sleep has been a major struggle for me lol

[final hedge]

Hmmm Oki! I will Try THanks oyu! 🙏

[marsh latch]

Only working properly with a smartwatch obviously, but it tracks alot of stuff which is very helpful for me. Once you get a grasp of all the graphs it has

[winter sand]

smoothness mostly comes down to tension management and speed matching which speed matching is heavily influenced by tension @final hedge

[winter sand]

ooh i dont have a smart watch rip

[final hedge]

:O I have Done a lot of Speed matching how do I fix Tension management I like conciously think about it in practice?

[winter sand]

not saying it will fix your issues so take it with a grain of salt. What helps me is warming up where i consciously think about tension management in kovaaks and then going into warm up in game where im just thinking about tension mostly

[slender pagoda]

dosing a stimulant and nootropics pre aim training

[final hedge]

:O Oki! Thanks you!! I iwll try it! 🙏

[winter sand]

i like playing lots of marvel rivals and valorant and if i dont actively think about tension during the warm up i end up just shoving my arm into the mouse pad and tension the shit out of my for arm and i have a terrible aim. When i play hela on average i have around a 66-75% accrauccy when i warm up my tension management with out it average like 40-55%

[final hedge]

Warm up your tension management makes your aim accuracy lower? 🙀

I ca nsee how it could make sense! :O

[winter sand]

if i dont warm up my tension management it makes my aim worse

[final hedge]

Ohhh!!

Oki!

Sorry I missread it wrong!

Another big thingy I have beenb trying to focus on is Posture and how I aim with my Posture!

Since Posture hhelps your aim!

[winter sand]

i have adhd so i pick up bad habits very easily lol

[final hedge]

Me too it's Oki! 🙏

Overthinkinbg everything

[winter sand]

you do want to fix your posture if you can being able to replicate aiming posture can improve your aim by alot\

[final hedge]

Yesss and training with Good posture! 🙏

[winter sand]

do you work out?

[final hedge]

I do infact workout!!

New to it

But I do it! 😁

[winter sand]

be weary some people like me can feel there aim worse on days where they do work out for me its mainly pull days where i require lots of grip

[final hedge]

Yess at the beginning of my workout Journey! I was SO Sore in my Arms

But also!

When I go on the Treadmill for atleast 30 Minutes

And come home and play

My Aim feels like I am a Controller player!

[winter sand]

were you like actually diagnosed with adhd?

[final hedge]

Nooo I haven't been diagnosed but I know there is a lot of things wrong wiht me like I believe I have OCD because I do weird Habits especially some dangerous ones like when I am in the Kitchen and I see a Knife or somehting Hot I have to touch it 3 to 7 times in a pattern or else my brain doesn't think iti s right

And I do believe I have ADHD, as it is pretty Common now a days

I am Very Hyper focused on things I enjoy doing and I don't get bored of stuff quickly!

Or I doze off into space

And also I am a Big overthinker I woulld overthink about my Aim so Much like how I move my Mouse and how I hold it! 🙀

I think ADHD would cause dat!

[winter sand]

hmm not saying you do or dont and i will refrain from sharing my beliefs on the adhd epidemic but i will say that cardio and working out help lots with adhd symptoms it isnt a cure but it will greatly help you deal with them @final hedge

[final hedge]

:O Interesting! Good to know!!! :) How does it hgelp I am Curious and would like to know more! :)

[winter sand]

dopamine the adhd brains dopamine basically doesnt exist and working out releases lots of it this is just breif summary of it how understand it am no doctor

also working out can help adhd people with impulse control by helping with resistance

[final hedge]

One thing I suck at when I am workijng out is Remembering wat people are saying or their names 😿

So I forgot this guys Name

[winter sand]

oh thats a whole different story i have horrible memory but whats helped me is active recalling

well my horrible memory is result of adhd

[final hedge]

Ya!! I tried to say his name like multiple times in my head

But then I still dont remmebr it 😿

[winter sand]

i also play this cool little memory game i know theyve come off as a scam but this one specifically forces me to work on my recalling skills and its helped me ton

[final hedge]

Wat game is it? 🙀

Also now dat I think about after I finish Cardio and play game I feel like I don't overthink when playing!

[winter sand]

https://www.cokogames.com/sequence-memory-game/play/ its dumb little kids game but its done wonders for me

[final hedge]

:o Dis looks Fun!

[winter sand]

its works for me and i actually enjoy playing it

[winter sand]

itll make it easier to focus on your target which is important but it will not exactly make you a better aimer. There is a possibly that to much caffeine will make you jittery and make it harder to aim. They will help in the aspect of focus but not actual mechanics

[desert fern]

hey everyone, does anyone have routine to build a endurance for my arms and wrist?

[winter sand]

do you mean an actual aim routine or a workout routine?

[desert fern]

workout

[winter sand]

are you looking for more bicep or forearm enderance?

[desert fern]

Long head of the biceps tendon and forearm endurance obviously

[desert fern]

a

[winter sand]

Do you have access to a pull up bar? Or weights?

[desert fern]

No, i’m at entry level so

😭

but like uh i dont do exercises

[winter sand]

I’m not saying you need to be able to do a pull up but most of my routine that I did do improve these aspects relies on a pull up bar and weights

[desert fern]

Ohh

[winter sand]

For example one of the things I did was dead hangs to build and grip strength and endurance and another I did idk what it called but you grab a dumb bell and lift it with your wrist

[desert fern]

But hey, I have one dumbbell at 15 g, and what should I do with that?

Hmmm