ptb-discussion

[stark summit]

That would be because nobody plays them much, because they are nerfed into the ground so badly you can't even do nothing with them lmao

Customs. Usually one at surv another as killer. Usually I see it just as a "watch me loop this person over and over again for 15 minutes until I decide to leave"

[arctic light]

Ohhhh

[cyan imp]

I agree that your concern shouldn't get blown off, but at the same time it's good that people are using these bugs a lot in the ptb to get them patched before live.

[hazy kraken]

Ig ptb never updates for the same patch?

[stark summit]

Wym

[robust tendon]

Oh I know this one, encountered one group of survs abusing this earlier

[lavish prism]

Is the ptb fun?

[robust tendon]

Apparently not a hack, but a plot twist bug that just give you perma haste (tried it myself) aka BHVR spaghetti code fk up again

[hazy kraken]

Like we won't be able to test what they'll exactly bring next patch after postponing lethal for the game changes or?..

[stark summit]

As far as I have read and heard, they are postponing only the anti-tunnel, anti-slug, and perk changes. Krasue and Vee are most likely still on track for release, but the new major changes will be postponed until a further ptb to be tried again. Unsure about the Myers Rework, they haven't said one way or the other if it is still going forward.
I believe that the changes will be held off until they can be tested again, and nothing else will change until then. They want to work on them some more and continue getting feedback on the current state of the ptb, and rework the anti-systems they had planned to make it more manageable and fair.

[hazy kraken]

i know that. i meant if during that one ptb we'll see what will actually change then or we will keep playing with antikiller shit until thai chapter release

[stark summit]

Huh, I don't know.

I hadn't really thought about if we see real changes, because so much goes into a ptb and only certain things make it out. I definitely think this ptb is a learning moment for them, and they take their time on things and dont rush to put everything in one ptb. I think they should do things in smaller batches, if that makes sense. Try out anti-slug first. Then in another ptb, anti-tunnel, etc. There needs to be individual focus on the changes / new content.

I think right now, with the current ptb, they're going to keep it as is to keep getting feedback until Krasue releases, but I honestly believe that the Anti-changes will go on the back burner until they take the time to work on them more.

[hardy dew]

Top ranking practically means you have no life outside of DBD

[lavish prism]

Wait do all my dlcs not carry over to the PTB? 💔

[winged kraken]

no but the game gives you 12k auric cells so you can just buy it back

[lavish prism]

That's good atleast

[high comet]

u forgot to get 12 hooks before getting a kill ✌️

[long escarp]

first game in ptb and i have two cheaters and i get dc'ed when picking one up

[fathom bane]

What were their builds

Did they have plot twist and conviction?

[lethal trail]

another hard tunneling me out ( other one he tunnneld earned it with spam flashligting to get tunneled) but i didnt do shit .

[long escarp]

yes

[fathom bane]

Its not external cheating then

As for for the dced when picking one up, that is the most unfortunate bad timing i have heard

They did not make you dc, lmao

[long escarp]

is pt and conviction a bug?

[fathom bane]

Yeah,

[long escarp]

but they never picked eachother up

[fathom bane]

^

[fathom bane]

Don't need to, that just speeds up the process

[long escarp]

what they hell

How on gods green earth do they just pull that off

[fathom bane]

The variation where they pick each other up just stacks it. It is common to naturally get the bug during regulsr gameplay

With those perks

[pulsar belfry]

No mither, plot twist, conviction is what I’m seeing and I’ve trolled every single one of them 🙂‍↕️

[fathom bane]

^ thats the speedy methos

[pulsar belfry]

I just leave them on hook

[fathom bane]

.

[fathom bane]

That still stacks it if they do it right

Oh unless you mean as a survivor. I thought you meant killer

[pulsar belfry]

As a survivor

[somber horizon]

What did they do to you 😞

[pulsar belfry]

Exploited a bug

[quick panther]

I’ll see you all in four years when they revisit the anti tunnel stuff

[somber horizon]

I liked the 90 seconds recovery because ordinary killers aren't going to slug you for 90 seconds

[merry drum]

I dont like the infinite tenacity and unbreakable one needs to go

[long escarp]

I love the ptb because only steam players can use it, so theres no console players who are deaf and mute and cant chat

[merry drum]

Real

[long escarp]

I guess i could turn off crossplay, but then queue times would be forever

just went against a killer tunneling in the anti tunneling ptb 💔 are we lowkey slow

[proven cradle]

I would like to play as The Krasue, just not in the PTB.
but sadly, that is not possible unless I wait 2 more weeks

[proven cradle]

I think some people are saying how you can just brute force your way into winning, even with the anti-tunneling changes
yeah, you can't kick gens anymore and all the survivors have a bonus to their gen speeds. but either way, they're still down a player

[untold lark]

Same thing, but kept slugging us all until we bled out

[slate robin]

thank you BHVR! 🙏

[snow tusk]

What did they run? Knockout?

[snow tusk]

Still kinda late

[young forum]

how do you expect to test the anti-tunnel features if nobody is allowed to tunnel on the ptb that revolves around killers tunneling?

[snow tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/invincible-that's-the-neat-part-you-don't-gif-14180388429135427516

[young forum]

if you're playing killer in the ptb and NOT tunneling then you're kinda just wasting the survivors time (and your own because you don't get anything for playing the ptb other than testing the stuff being added)

[slate robin]

yeah, i just noticed the notification today (i forget to read the inbox sometimes )

[snow tusk]

If Krasue ever get added to 2v8 in the future, in human form, she kinda look like a survivor. Add a Wesker, it’s a massacre party Among Us

[proven cradle]

Knockout is no longer the fuck you of slugging perks
its now kind of... bad, not sure

[snow tusk]

I see

[young forum]

they changed knock out to an anti shift-w perk and it doesn't even work as that since it's so bad

[spare zinc]

What is ptb

[valid plinth]

It stands for player test build, they use it to soft launch updates before they get released essentially

[fathom bane]

M1 krause is actually viable. LMFAO

Since apart from the initial 6 mushrooms, mushrooms only spawn when swapping forms.

You can keep the survivors in perma broken injured after a few good hits

[fleet lagoon]

what's your build? with thanatophobia?

[arctic light]

Ain’t no way

[spare zinc]

Not every one has been playing this game for a while

[long escarp]

this new killler is highkey ass

[graceful gazelle]

Wow the ptb

[restive wind]

public test beta

[fathom bane]

Im still yet to refine it/ find the "Best" build for this, so its moreso generalized stuff currently - im in the theorycrsfting process still, playing games testing builds:
Thanatophobia, No Way Out, Bamboozle, Brutal Strength

Keep in mind, not a "proper" vuild yet.
Also with the addon that starts them leeched + the addon that gives them blinds/hindered

Bamboozle and Thana are probably keystone to the build though, so im definitely keeping them

[merry drum]

if youre doing this run nothing but misery and rapid brutality instead of brutal and NWO

[fathom bane]

Nothing but misery? Isn't that the one that applies hindered on hit

Which would be useless if they are injured and broken

[merry drum]

oh yeah im fucking stupid

im still getting used to her abilities so i forgot

[fathom bane]

Not even out for two weeks

[merry drum]

fireup instead of Brutal would be good

[fathom bane]

And im already playing stupid meme builds on the new killer.

[merry drum]

extra vault speed

[fathom bane]

Oh true

Yeah it would be.

The main issue with this build, is vaults. A few pallet issues, but mostly vaults

[merry drum]

Remember me instead of NWO too prob

[fathom bane]

Nah, i'd get less stacks

I'd have to slug the obsession twice to get 5 stacks.

[merry drum]

true

could troll and BW

[fathom bane]

I suppose. But im looking to actually make this a good build

[merry drum]

are you looking for a late game or early game build?

[fathom bane]

Neither. Just an all around build

Which is why im keeping thana + bamboozle.

The one issue with this strat, is you need chase power

[merry drum]

then keep brutal and either do another gen slowdown or keep NWO

[fathom bane]

I have thana

Perma -20% gen speed to all survivors that they can't cleanse

[merry drum]

i love running undying ruin and blood favor with dissolution

[fathom bane]

Dissolution is usless here

[merry drum]

yeah im talking about with head

[fathom bane]

Oh with head, ic

[merry drum]

pure melee tho id say just run Thana Bam NWO or an info perk and Brutal

Actually switch fire up if you run NWO and if not and you do an info instead then run Brutal

[fleet lagoon]

I think thanata, dying light? fire up, something like that and play for middle game

[normal spindle]

I just found out why i hated slaughtering strike so much

If you’re using a controller you can’t steer, meaning you just dash in a straight line

[fleet lagoon]

kbm is fine?

[opaque fjord]

Halo x DBD PTB when

[hazy kraken]

So ig ptb for same chapter never updates until release?

[fluid sky]

how do i report cheaters on ptb??

[fleet lagoon]

they don't hotfix PTBs

[fathom bane]

External Cheaters? Use the report button. If its a bug (internal) issue, nothing will happen to them

[jovial saffron]

is it me or does PTB have different matchmaking

[dusky jay]

Well, it's a different savefile so most likely, yeah

[winged fjord]

guys how do i get more auric cells in ptb?

[dusty edge]

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[raven flume]

what's his name again? Frederick?

[limber tiger]

Jim. Jim Beam.

[upbeat thistle]

A bug to some, a hero to others

[thorny brook]

I LOVE ALCOHOL

[random cargo]

I love when people recommend builds and at least 50% of the perks are paid

This should not be a pay to win game

[red fable]

Good thing it's not a pay to win game.

[random cargo]

Okay Virgin By Daylight

[red fable]

I would love to hear how this game is Pay to Win when every perk in the game can be acquired without spending real money and just playing the game.

[calm wagon]

but it's not, there's a 0.03837373827% chance for the perk you want to be in shrine of secrets

[wispy grotto]

Trying to get the exact perk you want from shrine is a nightmare

[calm wagon]

[red fable]

A lot of the top tier perks are free perks. So idk.

[fathom bane]

I'd argue survivors are luckier in the "P2W" aspect

[fleet lagoon]

it's true that if you're f2p you won't get access to many perk choices quick

[fathom bane]

they don't have to deal with as much stuff. Meanwhile killers literally have some killers gatekept

[fleet lagoon]

both killers and survivors could have a f2p meta build just fine

[red fable]

You have SB, Botany, Iron WIll, Balanced Landing, Unbreakable, Lithe, Alert, WGLF, Dead Hard, Windows of Opportunity, Deliverance, Autodidact, OTR, MFT, Troubleshooter, Shoulder the Burden, and Do No Harm are all F2P perks I can think of that are considered super good.

[random cargo]

lmaooo

[red fable]

So there are many F2P perks you can use to have a pretty damn good build.

[fleet lagoon]

and killer?

[red fable]

That's without taking into consideration how they pair with other certain perks.

[random cargo]

Yeah it's just annoying when everyone recommends paid perks assuming i bought every killer 😭

[red fable]

Killers unfortunately get the shittier end of the stick when it comes to F2P perks but they still have a nice amount. Just no where near as much as survivor.

[random cargo]

I'm unemployed I dont even have $5

[fleet lagoon]

the problem now is killer meta perks are gen regression perks, because you cannot win a game without stopping gens blowing up, and that makes good chase perks overshadowed

[calm wagon]

artist and death slinger off the top of my head

[fleet lagoon]

there are certainly good perks that are not gen regression

[random cargo]

Pain resonance when you're on The Game and they all decide to spawn miles away from the gens the survivors are working on 💩

I stopped using Pain Res when I got the scourge hooks spawning off in the boonies 50% of the time

It's good when the hook spawns are good. But it's incredibly painful when the rng hits just right

[fleet lagoon]

no where to hide? pretty good info perk
coup? free down in loops so that's good

but do you run them? no because 1 perk on chase = -1 perk on gen progress control

[random cargo]

At this point I just use Ruin so I can avoid having to deal with gens at all for at least a little while

[red fable]

What I can think of for killers F2P perks is, Brutal Strength, Agitation, Enduring, Thanat, Ruin(Usually killer dependant), Overcharge, Bam, Pop, SPirit Fury, Discordance(Killer dependant as well), Corrupt, Im all ears, Furtive, Surge, Mindbreaker, DMS, Undying(If doing hex build), Oppression, Pain res, Grim Embrace, No where to hide, Forced Hesitation,

I could be missing some once again, but those are all the F2P killer perks I can think of that are actually good.

You get two of the best slowdown perks for free so that's huge.

[fleet lagoon]

killers have a lot of good perk choices, but the game has been designed that you can't run <2 gen perks or you are going to lose unless you are super dominating chases

[red fable]

You just run Pain Res, DMS, Brutal, and Enduring. Run it on every killer, chew through every single pallet and watch the survivors sweat and get scared as you dont respect a single pallet and get rid of every single pallet in the matter of minutes. Lol

[fleet lagoon]

survivors eventually will die near your scourages so that is just matter of time

[red fable]

Nothing is more scary to a survivor than a killer who refuses to respect a single pallet and just goes through every single one with no fear at all. LOL

[fleet lagoon]

that's just bubba gameplay

[random cargo]

Not if they're in complete dead zones

[random cargo]

I've been thinking of doing that because I'm so fucking fed up with the pallet stun hitbox

Also lightborn because it's doubly annoying to be blinded

[fleet lagoon]

enduring is good for short swinging

[red fable]

Nah dont get annoyed by getting blinded. Just use your headset. You can hear survivors while blinded. The more you get use to that, the more hilarious it becomes because you just chase them down while blinded and they get even more scared. LOL

[random cargo]

People say anti-annoyance perks are only for noobs but stamina and intimidation is ur greatest ally

[random cargo]

I do but it's still annoying

The less annoyed I am the more kills I get

[red fable]

Dont let it annoy you. You have to get past that. It's whatever. You should be happy when they blind you. They are losing distance by sitting there blinding you unless they have CoL which isnt often what so ever.

[random cargo]

There's a very strict inverse correlation between my annoyance and the number of kills I get

[random cargo]

Well for starters I have a migraine disorder triggered by bright lights/flashing

[red fable]

Well you need to look at things in a more positive way. Someone blinding you means they are giving themselves less distance to get to the next pallet, which benefits you more.

[random cargo]

Unfortunately I cannot positive mindset myself out of being flashed with the power of the sun

[red fable]

This is why Flashlights are considered amongst one of the worst items in DBD.

[random cargo]

Especially when it's repeatedly and I get completely disoriented 😭

[red fable]

Most people who bring Flashlights use them in a way where it hurts them more than doing anything positive.

[random cargo]

One of my most despised things though is when the game decides to just not register my mouse inputs when I could've avoided the blind

[fleet lagoon]

lightborn is ok, just play your own game and play what you feel comfortable

[red fable]

I personally just think Lightborn is a waste of a perk slot since you can just listen to survivors while blinded and know where they are from that.

[random cargo]

People call half the perks a waste of a slot

And I raise you, mediocre skill level with a desire to experience joy

[red fable]

I mean Bhvr has done a good job on making a handful of perks useless. Lol

Hey if you like Lightborn i wont shit on you for it. I just personally dont see good enough value in it to use it.

[random cargo]

"just run a b c, d is useless, so is e-" okay what if I don't have 2,000 hours, steve, what then

[red fable]

So I wont suggest it to people, because i wouldnt use it myself.

[random cargo]

That's just my gripe with the community as a whole LMAO

[fleet lagoon]

well it mostly is, but someone will need them for themselves

[random cargo]

Half of the advice sums up to "just be better at the game"

[red fable]

I dont blame you at all homie. Let me make it clear. I dont care what perks people run, I just wont recommend perks to people I avoid using. Lol

[random cargo]

yeahhhh

At the end of the day it all comes down to somebody's personal strengths/weaknesses and skill levle

[red fable]

Yeah and if running Lightborn means you'll have more fun with the game, than fuck it. Run it. That's what matters the most at the end of the day.

[random cargo]

Either way I personally care more about intimidation and aura farming than kills

Even if everyone escapes I know I've Asserted Dominance, they'll be telling stories about me years to come

[red fable]

Enduring/Brutal Strength is the best for that LOL

Especially on Legion

Enduring, Spirit Fury, with Iri Button. You can take out Brutal becuase of Iri button and you get to have a blast.

[random cargo]

Enduring, Brutal Strength, Lightborn, etc

I saw recently a guy who had a bunch of terror radius perks who became basically undetectable in the opposite direction

[red fable]

On Legion you dont want to run Lightborn since you can use survivors blinding you as an advtange ironically enough. Lol

[calm wagon]

because half of them are pretty buns

[red fable]

Me when I play Oni. Infectious Fright Value goes crazy.

[calm wagon]

more than half actually

[random cargo]

"lightborn is useless" meanwhile I'm not crashing out over being blinded every 2 seconds

[calm wagon]

but perks matter a lot less on surv

[red fable]

Play Legion so when they blind you they get insta downed because of it. LOL

[random cargo]

I've been trying to work in starstruck because I've been getting a lot of people shoving themselves in front of me

[red fable]

When you run Starstruck they wont even attempt that shit anymore. Lol

[random cargo]

I just tend to adjust my perks based on what I seem to be getting for survivor behaviors that day

Flashlight squads? lightborn, annoying loopers? bamboozle

tired of kicking gens 20 times in 1 minute? ruin

[red fable]

I never adjust my perks..................... LOL

[random cargo]

I have no set build i simply go with vibes

[red fable]

Just play Blight with Agitation and run it.

[fleet lagoon]

comp blight

[red fable]

Blight is just so strong, I feel bad running Slowdown on him. You dont need it at all.

[random cargo]

I love those kinds of rush/lunge killers because the ones I get always run into walls

I hid in a corner with Wesker and the guy kept trying to hurl himself at me and bounced off invisible barriers every time

Wesker when you aim one pixel too far to the left 👶

[red fable]

Yeah Blight, Wesker, Billy, they all get screwed to crouching

You can crouch around certain corners and stuff to make it so they miss you.

[random cargo]

ALSO TRICKSTER

I had the funniest round the other day where I kept looping a newbie trickster and just crouching to dodge all his attacks, to the point where every time I stared him down across a loop, he just turned and ran away absolutely refusing to do it again

[red fable]

Trickster needs to be deleted. That's all I'll say about that shit killer. LOL

[random cargo]

I forget the other ranged attack killer but I did the same thing in the freddy fazbear's notorious ballpit/basement infinite loop and it was like. 3-4 times

And the last time he ran into me I ran straight back to that room, he stared at me for like 3 seconds before turning and walking away

I keep getting awful teammates so I end up with lesser skilled killers half the time and I almost feel bad for torturing them with loops

The pained stare of "not this shit again"

[fleet lagoon]

he has feelings too...

[warped coral]

goated build btw

[red fable]

Lol ty

[crystal citrus]

Can you play ptb on Epic Games?

[thorny sage]

i try to play ptb but my progress is fully reset and when i queue it says cant validate anticheat, can anyone help please

and how long will this ptb last

[red fable]

I'd suggest going and reading the PTB patch notes.

[thorny sage]

yeah no cap but i read them 3 because this one was very interesting and controversial

[thorny sage]

so maybe u can help me please? there is no answer for any of my questions, i cant pla ythe game and idk if the ptb even ended

[red fable]

Well of what I'm aware of, they said in the PTB patch notes, you need to go open your Bloodweb on ANY character initially to have all your progress load into the PTB. You dont keep any survivors you bought with Iri shards in the PTB but you'll have all the perks and stuff unlocked so it wont matter.

If you're still having issues after having all your assets load in, I'm not 100% sure whats going on from that point forward.

[thorny sage]

thanks, now i need to redownload whole ptb again, and im really thanks

[red fable]

Well I wouldnt thank me yet since we dont know if this will 100% fix it. LOL

[thorny sage]

it thankfully worked, u were right

[royal flower]

uuuh, anyone elses ptb that just got deleted from existence?

[sacred falcon]

same here

[native aspen]

It's probably closed

[sacred falcon]

I guess so

[misty mango]

It's over already? Damn I didn't get to play more :(

[paper knot]

I mean why to play if nothing goes live from this scrap xd

[obsidian dagger]

Krasue?

[fleet lagoon]

Steam platform only

[hollow ore]

I know it's not a thing, but I wish PTB was available on PS5...

[frank obsidian]

anyone knows when the ptb is going off?

[native aspen]

The 9.2.0 PTB is now closed.

The patch is currently scheduled for September 23rd - check the pinned messages here for feedback links and other communication regarding the patch. Thank you!

[native aspen]

The 9.3.0 PTB is scheduled to open on November 4th!

Note: There are not currently any patch notes, but we have reopened this channel for focused discussion/feedback on this upcoming PTB.

[simple void]

https://tenor.com/view/hornet-silksong-dance-hornet-dance-hornet-silksong-gif-3654151901745923854

[fallen abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/alone-man-talking-chairs-meme-gif-2529419504997737730

[carmine nimbus]

AMAZING , I LOVE U GUYS SO MUCH FOR THIS

[inner wren]

was anything bout tunneling in the stream?

[knotty relic]

Yep

And slugging and face camping

[inner wren]

killer punishments again?

[knotty relic]

Wdym

[inner wren]

like, last ptb they punished killers for tunneling

and im js curious if they made it miserable again

[knotty relic]

Tbh no, i feel like it was pretty fair

[inner wren]

did killers get anything or js survs?

[knotty relic]

they did

Killers got bonuses for ¨unique hooks¨ aka hooking a diff survivor than the last survivor u hooked

[lyric urchin]

Did they mention dracula

[grave goblet]

bloodlust 1 for 15 seconds 😭

[lyric urchin]

Wat

[simple void]

https://tenor.com/view/hornet-silksong-dance-hornet-dance-hornet-silksong-gif-3654151901745923854

[grave goblet]

it's from the live they made yesterday, about the tunneling changes, and i'm pretty sure that what they meant is that all the killers get for unique hooks is bloodlust 1 for 15 seconds (or 5% haste)

[grave goblet]

and if you start a chase, break a pallet/wall or use your power you instantly lose the effect

[lyric urchin]

Good thing I use rapid brutality religiously

all my homies love rapid brutality

[tranquil zealot]

What was the run down for the new PTB?

[inner wren]

i hope theyre different from last ptb

[simple void]

AHHHHHH

killers getting slapped and being told to take it like a good boy/girl and survivors getting nice pets and hugs

[tranquil zealot]

Oh so the usual..

[simple void]

and scratch marks can have their colors changed, which is super cool, and the settings UI is changing and imo improving

[quiet cobalt]

+autohaven visuals brightened

[simple void]

skull merchant's basically getting reverted to her before she got gutted, which is very funny that they had her like this for the duration of nearly a year, only to pretty much undo all of it 😭

she still only has one scanline though

[simple void]

it looks green
or yellow

[tranquil zealot]

Eugh so she is still trash

[brittle mantle]

Wait so is there no punishment to tunneling survivors

Only buffs for not

[simple void]

i mean she was always "mid"
she wasnt really ever that strong but it seems survivors genuinely did not know how she worked, and i'll admit that's not entirely their fault

its not as intuitive as other killers

though i do think the refusal to learn is absolutely a problem

[knotty relic]

@inner wren ^^

[tranquil zealot]

Yeah I agree but 2 scan lines allowed for some tech

I wish her rework would come

[loud ether]

that new autohaven looks gorgeous, i'm so excited for the change

[simple void]

yellow

[brittle mantle]

I am a bit confused why she is getting buffs when the rework was the reason she got nerfed to begin with

[tranquil zealot]

Idk she's been growing steadily a very niche community that enjoy playing her and only her and they are always complaining how terrible she is in her current state. Its just something to chew on til the main course.

[quiet cobalt]

they want to test these out to see if a rework is worth it. theyve shifted their design process

[brittle mantle]

I see

[quiet cobalt]

autohaven preview:
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2600211900?t=01h02m12s

[fresh flicker]

No notes yet, right?

[quiet cobalt]

correct

only preview/overview

[misty yew]

I think the 20 meters for the unhook mechanic is a little too much. Specifically for set up killers, who usually need to stay around a specific area to ya know, function correctly. So, if you hook someone in your web or plan to make a web there, you'll tell all the survivors your there since they'll see the meter fill up and increase the anti-camp so they're completely free to keep doing gens, or you waste time carrying them far enough away from your area and waste valuable time to leave and return to your web.

I'm fine with the idea, genuinely, I think it's a fine workaround, I just think it should be reduced a bit.

[warm copper]

Oh finally they opened this channel. Took them a while,,,

[quiet cobalt]

there wasnt anything to discuss until a few hours ago 😛

[warm copper]

I was checking this channel during the live. It opened hours later like why 😆

Anyway though! I’m really looking forward to use the new bugs tool on discord. That sounded pretty good.

[inner wren]

TY!!

[proven cradle]

Skull Merchant Buffs

[carmine nimbus]

This is gona sound crazy but adaptive light on buffed skull merchant needs to be nerfed aswell

If it stays than skull merchant can be perm undetecable wich belive me wont be funny

[fickle crane]

Is there a place I can find this information? Is it a stream or a dev post or...?

[native aspen]

They went over it all in the dev stream today; there will be more detailed notes when the PTB is closer to being playable.

[fickle crane]

Got it, I see

Is there a place where I can find these? I didn't see it on the stream #ptb-discussion message

Wait

I'm stupid, that was from 9.2.0 wasn't it

Wait. Never mind again. I'm stupid, I just completely missed it

[snow tusk]

You literally cannot say it’s a buff. It’s basically no change for killers while survivors get uber protection

[proven cradle]

No new killer/survivor testing, right?
Since that all got delayed to 2026

[native aspen]

Correct, there are no new characters in this PTB

[brittle mantle]

Yeah sadly

[fickle crane]

It's been a while since we had a midchapter without a survivor, right? Or maybe I'm just remembeing poorly

[snow tusk]

Licensed stuff isn’t until next year = gonna be a dry season

Guess I wait for OTZ or Hens release their opinions on the dev stream

[carmine nimbus]

Question what is most effective way to give devs some info :33

[native aspen]

Depends what kind of info you're trying to give

[carmine nimbus]

Skull Merchant add on adaptive light will give skull merchant a ability to be perma stealth cuz of 7sec cd buff she is geting ( lowk nerf add on to 15% or 10% )

Stealth without add on: 6 sec
With :7,2 sec

[native aspen]

Then I would wait until you see what the PTB notes are, they very well may have adjusted that already

[carmine nimbus]

Oh oki thx , yeah , so wait we might see some add on pass in notes neat :33

[native aspen]

Usually they adjust addons when they buff base kits

But we'll just have to wait and see

[carmine nimbus]

I hope they dont touch vtp at all

[carmine nimbus]

Oki thx :D

[native aspen]

Midchapters don't typically come with new content; we just had a weird series of releases this year

[near nimbus]

Name of the Killer: The Headless Mule "an extremely badass Brazilian folklore legend", her power is called "hellflames" when she activates this power she gains 5% speed until the power ends "lasts 20 seconds, and takes 30 to charge" her feet start to catch fire and she gains 5% speed, whenever she makes a turn a flame mark is left as if it were a car skidding, the survivor who runs over it will have the burn effect 3 "and will take a hit", in this effect the next time he jumps a pallet the pallet will start to catch fire, and when he jumps that pallet again he will take another hit, if the mule hits his head on a pallet while in the power of the hellflames the pallet explodes and melts, the mule loses the power for 10 seconds, if she is stunned in the power, she is without the power for 20 seconds, the medical kits can remove the burn effect, or they can remove the effect with an ointment found on the ground hidden in the maps, if she kicks a generator while in in power the mule sets the generator on fire, making it grow 5% more and leaving survivors who touch it for the next 20 seconds in flames 3.

What do you think?

and an idea, but it can still be improved, balanced, add more things, and maybe "well maybe even" be added to the game

[snow tusk]

A car as a killer? Ofc it should be paired with a deer as a survivor

Jokes aside why is this getting posted here of all places?

[near nimbus]

I was very disappointed to see that instead of adding the headless mule, a symbol of Brazilian folklore, they added Adriana who held tri gen for 1/2 hour, please Behavior, PLEASE.

and a legend of a headless mule, her head catches fire and blah blah, but it would be much cooler than Adriana, not to mention that it is literally a symbol of Brazilian folklore, as I said it is an idea, and needs adjustments, but I think it is a good idea

[snow tusk]

Again why are you posting this in PTB discussion?

[wary hamlet]

Damn trickster getting a rework?

[near nimbus]

I was just reflecting on the choice of behavior over Adriana, that instead of adding the headless mule they put a killer that holds tri gen, then I had an idea and decided to share it because it was a good idea

[wary hamlet]

I hope the knives still remain a central part of his ability I practiced for eons on my aim and im on console bro 🥀

But other than that its good news they have a chance to do something actually related to his music with his rework

[near nimbus]

and an idea, and I'm asking why behavior did that, you know? I don't know if this is an idea or a discussion, but I think this is the right place in the group to post these ideas.

[wary hamlet]

That isnt JUST blade spam

[near nimbus]

I should actually post this in community polls-'

[quiet cobalt]

k

[snow tusk]

Yet this is a channel to discuss actual future updates to the game, not what fan-made suggestions you want implemented

[near nimbus]

Actually, I wrote this in the wrong place, but I'm too lazy to erase it and write it again, lol

[snow tusk]

Copy and paste it away to another channel?

[near nimbus]

ok, and because I joined the group now man, I don't know where I should write these things

I should write in game discussions or in game questions, AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[queen carbon]

Killer players are only here for survivors pleasure at this point💀

1. Survivors can heal in less than 12 sec,
2. rushing gens is easy af
3. Behavior made almost every map a pallet town, with connecting loops
4. Now we can't counter flashlight saves or sabo squads cuz they can just pick themselves up, wasting your time
5. Anit camping changes are also unfair, since if you see them hanging around the area where the survivor is hooked, you can't do anything about it
   So generally speaking
   Huge buffs for survivors, massive nerfs for killers
   And all of that without nerfing any aspect i talked about above

All I'm saying is, if you want to nerf killers that much, then add some tweaks for killers favour like nerfing healing and gen making speed,

[upbeat schooner]

I'm curious to see how the bloodlust changes will feel, one of the things that makes a lot of killers "weak" is their lack of mobility, so hopefully being able to move faster will help!

[queen carbon]

Sounds like a Nice addition, tho we would need more than this (and who the hell cares about bp bonus for not tunneling XD)

[maiden fog]

Wait a new ptb

[lofty fog]

Thats too much common sense

[lofty glen]

apparently brazillian woman is getting buffed, is it any good?

[tall prawn]

I thought she was japanese
Or is she mixed
Anyways she's still pretty bad, drones are still easy as hell to avoid

[gray night]

Her changes will be pretty massive for the few of us that main her.

Vault immunity removal being a giga buff.

Hinder increase and rotation speed increase are nice as well.

Im unsure why they are nerfing her undetectable but shell be in a better spot for sure.

[tall prawn]

The drones will be better in chase like her old playstyle, but outside of chase there's no reason for you to be getting scanned

[gray night]

makes using monitor probably a bit more mandatory with nerfing her already pretty poor stealth

[gray night]

depends on the situations for sure. Largely you shouldnt be giving free scans as a survivor.

But it depends on map, placement, coverage etc...

[tall prawn]

It's as simple as not moving, crouching or interacting with anything. I don't see any situation outside of chase where you'd be giving scans

[gray night]

You probably shouldnt be for any iteration of her. Its not meant to be a skill you just get free scans with

Ever since her one beam change you dont really passively use drones. You change their direction constantly

[tall prawn]

Point is, the buffs are nice yes but her herself as a character overall is still pretty bad

[gray night]

Yea but the reason for it is not how you describe. Im not sure what you want when you say you wont be getting scans outside of chase

would be pretty silly to just get scans for free cross map left and right

[tall prawn]

I never said she should be getting free scans, I'm just saying her drones are easy to avoid

[gray night]

Outside of chase. Yes

Which i dont understand why that matters

[round abyss]

I don’t have access to the PTB. Does anyone know where I can read up on the changes?

[tall prawn]

? It just makes her weak compared to other killers powers

[lofty glen]

its coming on november 4th i think right?

the changes are from the livestream they did earlier

[gray night]

Because her scan lines are easy to avoid outside of chase.

Is why she is weak compared to other killers?

No

[round abyss]

Ooh okay thanks

[snow tusk]

Where’s the nerfs you speak of for killers? If you mean the growing disparity between survivors aid and killer aid, yes

[gray night]

Because they are easy to avoid in chase is why that is

Which the changes are adressing the largest reason that is "vault immunity"

[queen carbon]

Sorry:(

[gray night]

scan rotation is basically the addon, and if the addon wasnt nerfed than they will be pretty fast as well

[snow tusk]

It was just discussed on a dev stream. No solid article yet

[tall prawn]

That is one buff received, but she's still low tier or mid at best

[gray night]

yes low or mid most likely.

Not because her scan lines dont work outsdie of chase though (easily avoidable)

[queen carbon]

Adding trilions of pallets is one of them (or maybe i use "nerf" definition wrong

Might be the case

[snow tusk]

Nerf is definitely the wrong word. Buffing the opposition does not make killers individually weaker

As in gameplay numbers are still the same, we’re just faced with more obstacles

[tall prawn]

Outside of chase is one factor but again, overall she is still weak

[gray night]

on the roster yea

[queen carbon]

It still makes killer really unfun to play as, especially after the changes they want to put

Now it's just feel like a role, so survivors wouldn't get bored

[snow tusk]

Yea no one wanna play killer if all the gratification of progressing survivors’ pain require 10x more pain on the killer’s half to achieve it

[queen carbon]

Like, devs completely ignored why tunneling and camping even happens

[gray night]

because killers want to

there is no reason outside of that

[round abyss]

frank stone skin canceled ://

[gray night]

it happens at 3-5 gens regularly so theres nothing to really argue for "needing" to do it

[queen carbon]

There is a hell lot more reasons for it

[snow tusk]

Gameplay wise, it’s almost impractical to keep all 4 alive for a 4k victory

[gray night]

depends on the match. Getting 1 out stupid early though. Gameplay wise

is 3v1 which is not balance in dbd

[tall prawn]

It's become the norm now it'll happen as soon as the killers wants it to

[gray night]

If you think it is then start asking for 3v1 mode since you think its so necessary

[snow tusk]

And watch getting that one out be painful now cuz of DS, flashlights, pallet saves and now elusive

[gray night]

I went 18 in a row 3-4k wins as SM last ptb ill be fine I think

[tall prawn]

Thats just low mmr games

[round abyss]

PTB doesn’t have mmr if i’m not mistaken

[gray night]

👆

[snow tusk]

That’s you. To cater to the majority (survivors) by gutting the minority isn’t a practical means of balancing the game

[gray night]

Im playing

The weakest killer in the game. And I dont struggle.

You can too

Believe in yourself

[queen carbon]

The main reason for tunneling is Rushing gens, but usually it's not even survivors fault as they have no other objectives in game. on top of that, they added more resources for survivors to use, so i usually see people pre drop pallets like crazy

[snow tusk]

And what do I do with this information? It doesn’t change how playing killer is simply a worse experience

[gray night]

Why does tunneling happen at 5 gens then

[queen carbon]

And yeah, those pallets are usually connected to other loops

[snow tusk]

I play clown mind you and I play fine on him sometimes

[gray night]

You should, theres ... no counterplay to you at loops

[queen carbon]

Cuz some people don't want to get rushed, and some are just assholes

[gray night]

Clown wins every loop in the game

[snow tusk]

Why does Gen rushing happen at 5 gens then?

Tis each their own

[gray night]

because they can, and have been allowed to

[snow tusk]

How is this relevant to my question?

[queen carbon]

+1

[gray night]

you just asked why it happens. I just answered you

twice even

[snow tusk]

Yea and hence if the survivors goes unpunished, the killer should be free to trade a survivor for three gens

[gray night]

So you are drawing the line at 3 gens now? Where did that value come from

[tall prawn]

You can repeat this in actual live games and see if you get the same results, people in ptb can be a lot different than live games

[snow tusk]

Why are you playing with my words? Semantics isn’t an argument

[gray night]

you realize an early 3 gens done means they did all the safe ones right? And now they are stuck with mid gens or a 3 gen at worst

Unless you let them do mid gens in your face then idk

[snow tusk]

A lot assumptions and words I’ve never typed

Interesting

[gray night]

Idk it seems you dont really understand what you type at me

you ask why do killers tunnel>

I answer you twice

[snow tusk]

I’ll leave it to you then Gif cuz it’s you who don’t understand

[gray night]

You put down 3 gens for a kill.

And then I ask you where you got that number from

and you go "stop twisting my words"

[snow tusk]

If I present a hypothetical to you, you wouldn’t know what it is unless I slap it across your face with it

[queen carbon]

Listen, if you want the game to change you can't just punish only one side, and left the other one unpunished

[gray night]

? what

[queen carbon]

Punishing killer side for specific tactics like tunneling or camping without acknowledging the fact that it happens because of the Gen rush

[gray night]

Just because one side got a nerf to something doesnt mean the other has to have it happen.

Thats not how balancing works.

Unless you want to go back in time. And tell the devs "hey remember all those nurse nerfs? where were the survivor nerfs to go along with it"

[queen carbon]

But then killers getting strongly punished, and survivors can keep up at scummy tactics 🤷🏻‍♀️

[gray night]

Scummy tactics ?

No idea where you are pivoting to now

[queen carbon]

Gen rush

[gray night]

what are survivors supposed to do then

[tall prawn]

True

[gray night]

Open chests? Cleanse dull totems?

[queen carbon]

Am i talking about that survivors should do something?
All im saying that the devs should punish both sides for using scummy tactics

Not only killers

[snow tusk]

Killers will complain if survivors gen rush and the opposite is true for bringing four slow downs. Point being both sides will never be satisfied or happy

[gray night]

core mechanics okay.

Killer core mechanic nerf changes.
-Cant hook grab anymore
-Cant down right after an unhook anymore (baskit BT)

Go back in time and ask the devs for some survivor nerfs

[gray night]

You are complaining about "gen rush"

What are survivors supposed to do?

You say its scummy so what NOT scum thing can they do

[queen carbon]

Ik, tho why it's only the one side being punished

[wet stream]

I feel like I am watching 4 people say the exact same thing with different words and talk right past each other

[gray night]

Im not sure yournemesis is a person

[queen carbon]

You still miss the point, i said that DEVS should do something about gen rush

Like idk, deadlock in the base kit for example

[gray night]

You did not say that at all.

You said its scummy. Im trying to figure out what is scummy about them doing their objective

[queen carbon]

Cuz i don't get your point, and im not agreeing with it?

[copper ermine]

there’s perks such as corrupt intervention to help prevent gen rush a bit it gives u a chance to get a down within 120 secs

[queen carbon]

I would have to give up on some other perks to, remember that borrowed time was a perk too

And they made it basekit

[snow tusk]

Devs with almost always cater to where majority of the player base is (survivors and their wallets)

[gray night]

You want it to not be?

Just will make this conversation end if you want that changed back

[queen carbon]

.

[gray night]

If you think basekit bt is unfair.

Say now please

[copper ermine]

u just need to adapt to perks based on what killer ur running im litrally a killer main i dont touch survivor unless i have to do a quest theres a few perks that works well with even the weakest killers that can stop hard gen rushing u just got to play smart

[queen carbon]

No, im saying that dead lock should be basekit for killers

[wet stream]

A lot of words just to say "skill issue" lmao

[queen carbon]

That's true, as surv mains are the group that buys skins the most

[snow tusk]

Happy players happy customers

[gray night]

Yea thats not been true for the last... christ

Ever since kaneki was released. Survivors have NOT been catered to

[wet stream]

But also, basekit killer changes is a terrible idea for the same reason pallet changes were a terrible idea.

Going up against a nurse/blight/ghoul with more inbuilt slowdown is going to be a pain, and vs trapper/pig/legion it will do nothing anyway.

[queen carbon]

But it's like saying "You can avoid being tunneled by taking right perks and playing smart"

[snow tusk]

Oh yea? Where’s our legendary nurse skin?

[queen carbon]

I play on high mmr lobby, and you cannot prevent gen rush every time you play

[gray night]

Skins =/= who devs cater to.

Also the last TWO passes had sick nurse skins

Grim AND flower nurse. Both banger skin sets

[queen carbon]

At least that's what i think, assuming by how many hours people i go against have (which is never below 2k)

[gray night]

Just so you are aware.

People with more hours than you and me combined.

Get people with less than 100 hours playtime in their matches constantly.

So cut the "im high mmr everyone is 2k hours in my lobbies BS"

[copper ermine]

in the odd time i play survivor i see a lot of ez mistakes most killers do like targeting clearly a good looper instead of breaking off the chase and switching to a less skilful looper but some killers are stubborn and rather spend half the game killing one good looper instead of killing the 2 bad loopers who stick to gens if that makes any sense im not saying killers have it ez cos theres some games i get played good not defending survivors either but from what i have seen when i do play survivor majority of killers make ez mistakes

[gray night]

over committing.

0 macro is def something ... most killers do

Because tunneling is so rampant and rewarding. So they only know that single playstyle

[queen carbon]

I will probably make some mistakes as well, but i also have some good loops, and i try to play smart (like not targeting good players)

[copper ermine]

suvivors rage bait hard i’ll have good looping survivors try get my attention and take me to a dead zone and keep flashing me tryna get me to chase em so the rest of the team can do gens i ignore the rage bait and focous on the gennys

[gray night]

Oh yeah theyll point, flash, bag.

Its all trying to break your mental

[queen carbon]

I always leave when i see them running towards dead zones

[wanton coral]

why tf was both rpd maps voted top 5 fav?

[gray night]

This is under the assumption that one caused the other.

Which has been shown to not be the case

[queen carbon]

Exactly what i tried to say (im not that good with English tho 😂)

[gray night]

thats not what you tried to say at all lmfao

[copper ermine]

yh that’s the problem majority of killers give in and tunnel u have to have a clear mind as a killer and not let small things get the best of u iv had games when they got all the gens done and iv had no kills i just lock in i bait them my self pretend im mad then switch up play smart end up getting 3k and leaving satisfied

[tall prawn]

pretty sure it's known gen rushing is the main issue but sure

people don't just tunnel for fun

[gray night]

yea thats a

Thats a take for sure

[queen carbon]

Why we even talk to you, you clearly are not gonna change your mind, and you won't change ours

[tall prawn]

it's not a take there's a reason behind everything

[gray night]

Not a single only reason like how you frame

unfortunately for you killers tunnel regardless of pressure on them.

Which is why its getting a change

Aka "because they can" response above

[queen carbon]

😂

[tall prawn]

Now you're making assumptions 💀

[gray night]

its not an assumption.

Unless you want to tell me right now that killers dont tunnel at 5 gens

[tall prawn]

100% of all games are tunneling?

[gray night]

I didnt say that

The fact that it DOES happen though. Breaks your theory of cause and effect

[queen carbon]

I wish I could think in such a simple and trivial way as you

[gray night]

Its simply "because I can" being the reason

[tall prawn]

Again an assumption

[gray night]

its not an assumption lol you can keep repeating this if you want

[copper ermine]

i will agree if u go against a 4 person team all using coms it’s extremely difficult to win unless ur playing an s tier killer i personally dont play s tier killers i play characters like executioner or pin head if i wanna try hard ill play spirit i personally thing executioner is under rated hes perfect against rage bait teams but ik ppl would rather play wespr that requires less skill but if u can get executioner skill down its ez games

[tall prawn]

No that is quite literally a bold statement to make with no evidence whatsoever

[gray night]

ill let you explain to me eventually why killers tunnel with next to no pressure on them.

When you can that is.

If you can.

I already supplied the answer so it would be hard to get it wrong

[queen carbon]

😂

[tall prawn]

Are all your points based on assumptions and what you think is right?

[gray night]

again let me know when you can explain a killer tunneling at 5 gens.

Its not because of your theory above

[tall prawn]

Theres no objective fact to what you're saying is true

[gray night]

Stop pressing wasd on repeat. Its a really easy answer

[tall prawn]

And it's more widely agreed on that gen rushing is more the cause then just "doing it for fun" which ive honestly never heard or seen of

[gray night]

Personal confirmation bias.

"I dont see it so it must not be true"

[tall prawn]

Same goes for you so 🥹

[gray night]

Not really. I can pull up streams of other people who experience it

So no

Skullemoji reaction

[tall prawn]

Their streams represent the games community? Alright 👍

[queen carbon]

They might have been rushed in a previous match, and they don't want it to happen again

[gray night]

other people represent a community

Ecks dee my friend. Ecks dee

[tall prawn]

They don't represent the WHOLE community, so there's no point in you doing that

[gray night]

ah so no opinion matters unless we get every indivudual persons perspective.

Ar oh ef El

the hole is just dug deeper

[queen carbon]

It's not worth it
Save your energy, this guy is closed in his own assumptions and theories

[snow tusk]

Idk why you guys are still entertaining this ragebaiter

[gray night]

classic repsonse

Response as well

[tall prawn]

Survivor main final boss

[gray night]

Survivor main even though I literally main SM

[queen carbon]

😂😂😂

[tall prawn]

Btw points made from both of us goes both ways so really you went nowhere

[copper ermine]

ik this is something that won’t change due to most survivors having a stockpile of equipment but if it was harder to obtain flash’s tool boxes ect through the blood web and hex totems wasn’t so easy to find that would be a way to maybe extend how quick gens get done cos survivors would spend more time opening chests or tryna find a totem as if rn chests are basically pointless and totems majority of the time spawn next to the survivors at the start of the game which leads survivors to only focous on gens at the very least they could work on hex totems a bit more making em harder to find or less obvious it would split the attention on survivors for a bit longer hope that makes sense

[gray night]

no your points dont go in any direction.

You seemingly dont have one. You say killers tunnel for a reason. Almost exclusively with your above comments.

And I give you examples of them not doing that. Which you then ignore

[queen carbon]

"im right and you are wrong 😡"

[gray night]

did not say that.

Link where I say all cases of tunneling are just for fun

what I said right here ill ss it

[tall prawn]

99% of the reasons are genrushing from what ive seen

[gray night]

@real iron

[queen carbon]

😂😂😂

[tall prawn]

Done for fun and because I can is pretty much the same thing

[queen carbon]

No way he pulled it out again

[gray night]

Yea...

No its not

[tall prawn]

It just is though

[gray night]

For example im typing at you because I can

Its not fun at all

[tall prawn]

Typing is different from playing a game

[queen carbon]

Then don't, who told you to sit here?

[gray night]

Thats not revelant though.

Because someone can =/= because its fun

[tall prawn]

It is because that is quite literally the topic this is about, a game...

[gray night]

Just because someone does something.

Doesnt mean its fun

Pretty obvious statement but here we are.

[tall prawn]

So about we're talking about, tunneling, if a killer is tunneling NOT because it's fun, what are they doing it for then?

[gray night]

because they can and are allowed to.

Emotional investment wise, fun, rage, done with the match, has to, etc.

We dont know those

[tall prawn]

And you think because they can is a bigger reason compared to gen rushing?

[gray night]

absolutely.

Especially in dbd

[queen carbon]

That wouldn't make sense, considering people play games for fun

[tall prawn]

You're quite out of touch with the game you play my friend

[gray night]

You dont seem to have anything to say when you get confused by my responses.

Defaulting with insults is unbecomming

first it was Survivor main.

Now its

Out of touch

Wonder what the next one is

[tall prawn]

You find those to be personal insults?

[gray night]

Why are you saying them to me?

Im not a survivor main. Pretty obvious.

Not out of touch. Play more than the regular person

[celest hare]

Why is this open

[snow tusk]

So defensive, is your ego a soft spot?

[snow tusk]

PTB is to be open soon on Nov 4th

[queen carbon]

Honestly, no clue what he tries to achieve

[gray night]

Plenty of upcomming changes on the live stream tto talk about though

People upset about anti tunnel still.

[tall prawn]

Just so you know, "because they can" being the main reason for tunneling without providing any proof as it quite literally can't be given is pretty stupid. Yes you could say the same for me, but from everything I have seen online, gen rushing is way more talked about then "tunneling because I feel like it" which is why I believe that

[celest hare]

Next 2v8 BHVR should give survivors endurance or invincibility (I'm for endurance but invincibility would be a little less intrusive) for 2.5s when freshly injured to prevent double tapping. Default weapon wipe time, and that of every 2v8 killer, is 2.7s so it wouldn't be noticeable in any regular situation. Double tapping isn't even efficient for killers, there's no argument for it, it's a crappy playstyle that can easily go. It would also bring it closer to 1v4, as going from injured to downed within that 2.7s is only very situtionally possible there

[gray night]

Im just glad for 2v8 legion is out of it.

Might actually play the mode a bit more idk though. With the changes to SM ill be busy for sure

[snow tusk]

2v8 isn’t returning that fast bucko. We’ll have to see and wait

[celest hare]

I'd take legion over once a match being unavoidably downed, but it's okay design because "the killers waste* time" lmaoo

[celest hare]

Nov 6?

[queen carbon]

Nope, ptb will be released then

[celest hare]

No that's Nov 4?? No?

[celest hare]

Yeah lol, and Nov 6 is legionless 2v8

[gray night]

Doesnt matter either way. Its rightaround the corner

[queen carbon]

Then 4 sry, but 2vs8 wasn't announced yet

[celest hare]

It was 😭

[gray night]

Just excited to get back into this streak

[queen carbon]

I missed something then?😭

[celest hare]

It has pyramid head and Dracula as well this time idk if that was announced

[celest hare]

Yeah it's officially coming Nov 6 loll, the new killers were leaked though I think

[dusty edge]

@shadow owl 🚫➡️ Your message content contains flagged text

[celest hare]

But like leaked to the point it's basically confirmed their cosmetics and everything lmao idk if it's a secret

[queen carbon]

I didn't even know 😭

[celest hare]

Nw haha, and this time Legion isn't in it because people hate them

[queen carbon]

I saw those, the dracula outfit is 🔥

[celest hare]

I didn't mind Legion nearly as much as getting instadowned minimum once per match

[celest hare]

I love any phead cosmetic it's such a cool character

[queen carbon]

Aww i wanted to take the bunny outfit while playing with Piramid 😭

[celest hare]

🥹💔

I honestly don't think legion deserved being deleted from it enough but I mean a lot of killers aren't in the mode and I guess a LOT of people hated them

[gray night]

Too oppressive honestly in that mode

[celest hare]

Maybe my legions were just ass

It felt 1v4-y, I did notice my teammates got deep wounded a lot more than me

[queen carbon]

He's only playable only at this mode, as he sucks in normal matches 😂

[celest hare]

Anyway good he's gone now fix double tapping

[gray night]

Wonder if they fixed weskin on that mode lol

[shut pier]

Where do I find patch stuff?

[celest hare]

Yeah LMAO I don't get why anyone plays them, I think the appeal is the brain dead playstyle or iri button, also brain dead

[celest hare]

What's that loll did Wesker have an issue in the mode

[celest hare]

Old patch notes?

[gray night]

he would become unplayable after power and the person he grabbed wouldnt beable to be saved or anything

[celest hare]

Oh fuck I remember that now

[shut pier]

Is the newer patch notes out somewhere yet?

[queen carbon]

True
Btw i played him like a month ago, he is so easy to pressure and loop 😭

[gray night]

live stream. Theres a post I can dig up here

[celest hare]

Poor Wesker
I thought it was a tiny bit funny because Wesker was particularly annoying me with how many free glitched injuries he'd get through pallets and things like that at the time but I hope it's fixed lmao

[gray night]

https://steamcommunity.com/app/381210/discussions/0/595163560549920418/

[shut pier]

Thx

[gray night]

excited for the SM changes. Vault immunity gone. So fking GOOD

tired of that crap for the longest time

[celest hare]

I wonder how likely the rework is now*

[gray night]

I honestly hope not.

The idea they had cooked up ... with like heat seeking drones like some missles or whatnot.

I dunno. Not sure id like it

[celest hare]

Yeah it sounded goofy lol

The drones should be able to be ai controlled or manually controlled simple as that the power should revolve around that

You don't make a drones killer and then not have the drones move at all fuck you bhvr 😭

If she does get reworked

[gray night]

We will see with the rotation speed increase how oppressive around loops they are as well.

Especially since I use the speed addon already

Feel like it will be pretty hard to counter around loops

[celest hare]

As someone who only got her adept, I hope she does, current her is uh interesting but trash lmao

[celest hare]

I didn't think it'd make a huge difference now I'm worried LMAO

There's like 2 sm's anyway I'll live

[gray night]

Yea and hinder increase as well. Gonna be exciting

But probably still low tier killer for sure. Not many people will play her opposed to now id imagine

[celest hare]

Man I actually really want a rework now

If she can use her drones like Houndmaster uses her mutt to search along with whatever else she'd be so so so much cooler

That wasn't even in the preview right

It was just the dash slop lmao

[simple void]

honestly the buffs they're giving are honestly just moving her back to where she was with minor nerfs

honestly skull merchant back then didnt need to be nerfed (or at least so hard)

she was a very simple killer to counter, but most of the time i found that people were complaining about 3 gen merchant (which no longer existed after they made gen kick limits) and refused to learn how she works. so paired with people jumping on the bandwagon and people not caring about misinformation, she got treated like she was anything more than a C tier killer

i think the one scan line and fast rotation is good though. i wasnt a major fan at the beginning but i'd say it somewhat gives the killer a bit more skill expression if you can successfully pull off multiple scans, and gives the survivors a bit more time to get towards their target or the drone

currently skull merchant's scan lines are so slow, iirc, that a well timed survivor can actually just run right past it when its in rotation

[chrome dust]

Does the anti tunnel apply for Onryo considering her condemning?

[inland vine]

https://tenor.com/view/new-meme-61-6-1-six-one-sixty-one-gif-4561369926352984286

[snow tusk]

There’s no anti if a survivor dies early clause now

It’s just easier for survivors to lose the killer off hook

And harder to slug

[quiet geyser]

So they did nothing about the pallet density shit. Wow

[summer knoll]

Can developers do something to help survivors ?! Got killers playing toxic where’s the anti slug and anti tunneling protection?! The way these killers are playing is making a lot of people quit playing this game. It’s very much killer sided all the buffs and reworks are going to killers and nerfing too much to the survivors perks

[cloud socket]

everyday i pray for the devs to revert the pallet density thing and give me back my godrock

[celest hare]

Isn't that one good thing about the changes? Isn't god rock unhealthy lol

[cloud socket]

godrock really isnt that bad since they aren't "immunity to hits" they are simply safer fillers. With good movement on killer you can always get a hit on them

[celest hare]

Oh on paper it sounds like good players can force the killer to break it lol

[cloud socket]

On lerys theres always a pallet in the corner in the shape of half a rectangle with a pallet. If you play it correctly its 100% safe however a good killer can definitely get a hit on it

[celest hare]

Oh? 😭 100% safe but not against really good killers?

I wonder how many pallets are like that

[cloud socket]

if your movement is good you can bait out a prevault resulting in a hit

[celest hare]

I thought there's umm what do you call it, when the killer crosses a line you vault and it's as simple as that

[cloud socket]

checkspot/jumpspot

[celest hare]

So it is checkspot

[cloud socket]

godrock is checkspottable on low ping

[celest hare]

I thought checkspot was when you check where the killer is with your third person

[cloud socket]

i call them jumpspot

[celest hare]

Yee that as well I've heard

[cloud socket]

checkspot is also just ways to see the killer on tiles in the safest way 🤷

godrocks really werent that unbalanced compared to the new rng that just gives you a free 30s chasetime or max distance with a pallet around watertower or logs

[celest hare]

Yeah LOL I know that much

[celest hare]

Plus it isn't anyways if there's not too many of them

I'd think so anyway lol

[fast talon]

why is DBD so badly tryina insert tunneling and slugging updates, the game is decent as it is, dont ruing the killers bro

[celest hare]

If they can find a way for hard tunnelling, slugging, and camping to go, then it's for the best no matter what you think

If they fuck it up then they fucked it up and that's a different story but I think the ptb is promising in regards to not killing killers

[carmine bobcat]

Still gonna tunnel at 5 gens

[shadow mesa]

Cant find a list of the new changes and Google Is failing me, where Is It?

[fickle crane]

@shadow mesa The exact PTB changes aren't out yet, but here is a list of their intentions for changes

[shadow mesa]

Thanks fellow trans person, sister salutes you

[raven flume]

tunnel me 🤤

[cloud socket]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1123799115688583271/1308120629957886062/togif.gif

[dusty edge]

@elder parcel 🚫➡️ Your message content contains flagged text

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[warped coral]

me when big mean killers are trying to get me to mald

(survivors make me mald worse)

[autumn mirage]

Honestly good and bad things on update

Well PTB but will have to check, the anti tunnel changes are good but i would change the wallhacks when unhook only

Anti slugging is better but i feel could be still abuse a bit but will have to see on PTB

Anti camp is my biggest issue i feel at least for how they talk it could go either really bad or good

And skull merchant deserves more buffs rather than QoL or just continue on her rework, the things sounded like nothing burger which yes are helpful stuff she deals with but also will move her to be above Legion

[slow venture]

My main issue with the changes is they don’t shift the meta away from tunneling, camping, and slugging. The best strategy after these changes is still to tunnel someone out early, all the devs did was make it harder to do. They should reimplement the basekit gen regression for fresh hooks even if the values are less than last time since that actually made it more possible to win while 12 hooking.

[warped coral]

I do genuinely think that for solo queue, tunneling will always stay

[slow venture]

Why’s that? I personally think swfs encourage killers to tunnel more.

[round abyss]

Same

[warped coral]

I think swf encourages tunneling but I think that no matter what you do, solo queue will never actually have anything that can counter doing a 3v1

The amount of communication you get from swf alone makes the kill rate of DBD killers go from 70% to 60%

You can hide if you're a swf

hide names, make friends list private, don't go in matching anything, etc

I swf with consistently good people and I've gone to solo queue just to see what happens

the amount of times I've hit 2nd state or died on my 1st hook in solo queue is relatively high

[slow venture]

Yeah solo queue teammates get me killed more often than the killers do

[warped coral]

I wonder how a swf based disadvantage would fair on the DBD servers

maybe 5 seconds added to each gen

doesn't sound like a ton but they add up

[slow venture]

I think a better solution would be to put a cap on gen progression speeds. That could lead to more issues though

[twilit pond]

The skull merchant buffs genuinely annoy me.

So she can place drones slightly faster and the lines move slightly faster? Really?

"Oh no, I need to crouch 10% more!"

What a joke. Shes gone from F tier to F tier. People have been waiting FOREVER for a rework

[echo gate]

Hi! Does anyone know how I can share images here? Is that possible

[gray night]

No vault immunity on scan lines is huge

Her scan lines are faster and the hinder is stronger as well

[twilit pond]

the vault immunity is by far the best buff and nothing else, most survivor will leave loop before you get the hinder status effects on them anyway

[brittle elm]

Why did i got pinged

[dusty edge]

@chrome sandal 🚫➡️ Your message content contains flagged text

[lethal trail]

so i am 41 mins into the community stream and they said they listened to the feed back but yet .....there is still no punishment at all for extream and hard tunneling out the gate " only incentives" when 90 precent of even killer base was like the mechs were fine just decreses numbers needed?! soooo they didnt listen to the whole community only the small bit of killers who were like dont tell us how to play the game even though HARD tunneling (aka from beinging of match ignoring everyone around the player for a kill) is bad. and toxic. and not a strat. its a skill issue on the killers part ( coming from a killer yall) and again...survivors are getting their perks hacked to counter these things? again...sooo they dont really care about the community

they also have their stats that legit show tunneling and slugging are why people are uninstaling and its not just new players yall i have seen people who have been playing for years be like yall are not actually helping with bad things going on

sooo we are simply rewarding for unique hooks when killers dont care about these rewards at all it does not deter them from tunnleing.... there is no detering tunneling ok cool.

this is rediculous. seriosuly. the killer has little to no reason to not tunnel. as a killer if i were to tunnel i would do it cause these are shitty rewards. we remopved base kit bbq and removed gen reges bounus? really?! those would have been more rewarding to not tunnel then fking blood points.

you want to let players play how they want...including toxic ways. its one thing to letting players play how they want WHEN it respects everyone. survivors can not dc because they are not having fun because their punished. they cant unhook them selves now unless they bring an offering/perk. these were put in place cause it " was wasting killers and team mates times" yet tunneling is a strat? dcing was a strat. they didnt want to continue that match and wanted to go next. but we PUNISH that so much that now survivors who are catuall playing but get tunneled get punshished for being tuneled out of the game losing grades because their dc pens are shit.

[lethal trail]

120 seconds to fil lthe bar?! are we kidding right now?! seriously?! at that point just abandon its faster. and you cant recover while crawling?! seriossly....they took that out?! soo the anti slugging is littearlly nothing at all. its botched. SO key points. anti tunnel? shit now. anti slug. shit now. so they made it even worse.

Sooo killers can ignore the anti tunneling mechs and perks!
killers can still slug people and hold the game hostage.

way to go!

they have fixed absolutely noting for tunneling or slugging the only w i have seen so far is the anti camp updates. kinda.

auto haven is kinda a w i think.

ok i agree ded dog is one of my favs

glad their working on more randomness of maps

Scratchmarks thats great!

was that a first person pov field of vhision bar?!
ok no video after first time yes thank you.

wait trickster rework!? hello!?

Yes fix the bugs!!!fix head on and perks

an offical bug report system IN discord?! where! when!

Alright i gfinished the stream these are my notes for the ptb to come up.

i am not thrilled and honestly very disspaointed in the dev team

[brittle mantle]

Tbh I think tunneling is only bad if you are hooking the same survivor repeatedly. Hooking them after hooking someone else is fine imo as (especially as lower tier killers) I’ll have scenarios where they’ll just happen to run into me and obviously I’m not gonna just ignore them, so I get them, hook and after matches get called out for hooking

There’s def a fine line that both need to account for. Killers shouldn’t be hooking the same person after a hook, but survivors should not be risking getting in situations where they can be chased/hooked shortly after. Like I try my best not to tunnel and I almost always go for a different survivor especially on hook saves. But if I hook someone else and you get seen somewhere by me of course I’m gonna go after you

Though that’s just my two sense

PTB changes don’t seem to fix anything tbh

[lethal trail]

i aggree.

they completely guttted it and gave us dog shit

this was a spit in the faces who said this was an issue and why they were unistalting the game.

[tidal vessel]

no
tunneling, slugging, and camping are one of the few ways an m1 killer can win since the pallet update
removing it would be like removing flashlights from survivor
its too important

[lethal trail]

wrong. its not important it is possbile you just have to figure it out. and killers now adays dont wanto they want a kill handed to them

the pallet update wasnt bad at all it was needed. there were way to many dead zones

[brittle mantle]

Imo all they really need is some temporary debuff (let’s say a 10% decrease in movement for 15 seconds) if you hook the same survivor again. (Though shouldn’t apply on endgame) though maybe that’s too much

[tidal vessel]

unless you are going against an uncoordinated team
its nearly impossible to play on the maps that got the pallet update for an m1 killer

[lethal trail]

this isnt just to you. but to all but i am using this to highlight the issues.

no killer perk ends at endgame not a single one. that i have found no add on either.

yet surviors are getting fed in end game.

[tidal vessel]

they added the pallets to reduce deadzones but they didnt actually add any pallets to deadzones
they just increased the pallets in areas that already had pallets

[brittle mantle]

Then that’s a problem with A: pallet update in general, and B: lower tier killers are there for a reason

They are not that good, and hence need to

[lethal trail]

again not entirely true. i have played and it is just fine you just have to figrue out how to get around it. survivors rely to heavely on it you use that agaisnt them its not hard to figure out

[tidal vessel]

i think they should either completely revert the pallet update or heavily reduce the pallets they added

[reef portal]

120 seconds which gets reduced for each slugged survivor

Which is still really shitty for a killer although not as horrible

[brittle mantle]

I wouldn’t mind that. Though at least for lower tier killers the issue isn’t tunneling/camping more so the killers are just not good to begin with

[lethal trail]

that is still dog shit. necause by the time he knocks down the 4th survivor thats game over

i can get a 4 man slug if i wanted to in under 2 mins and hook them all.

[reef portal]

If you get a 4 slug then you've won

[lethal trail]

no thats toxic as fuck

[reef portal]

That's what's supposed to happen

[tidal vessel]

how would you get around the 5+ pallets that are all like 6 feet away from each other while the other 3 survivors are genrushing????

[lethal trail]

no its not

[reef portal]

Survivors can VERY EASILY play around slugging in most situations and certain killers are designed around slugging

[tidal vessel]

and why is slugging a problem to Survivors??

like considered toxic?

[reef portal]

Onis literal entire kit is dedicated to slugging

[lethal trail]

because we came to play the fking game not be on the god damn ground

[tidal vessel]

so youd rather have another hook state than possibly not get hooked at all?

[reef portal]

It's not super fun to get slugged but also it is an important strategy to alot of killers

Although the main issues with slugging are when it's done by killers who are very powerful

[lethal trail]

slugging for pressure is not what we are talking about

we are talking about slugging just to go lure people in to slug others and that player doesnt get to do shit the entire game

[reef portal]

Getting slugged by nurse or blight sucks ass yeah but that doesn't mean slugging needs to be outright removed or that every killer should have to deal with punishments for problems that come primarily from top tiers

[brittle mantle]

My opinion has always been that tunneling, camping and slugging etc are only “necessary” for a lot of killers because said killers have little to no map pressure at all

[lethal trail]

again slugging for pressure is one thing .

[reef portal]

Same happened with the pallet changes their solution to killers who can eat pallets/ignore pallets was just punishing every killer who couldn't do that

[tidal vessel]

thats a playstyle and youll just have to suck it up
even still there are perks that counter slugging

[lethal trail]

we are not talking about that. we are talking about sluggin just to slug

[reef portal]

Then there's ways around it

[lethal trail]

that they fking ignore and knock your ass down and have been gutted into the ground

[reef portal]

In this situation literally just do gens

[tidal vessel]

theres no problem with slugging to slug
and all slugging is pressure technically

[lethal trail]

omg. you dont play survivor and it shows.

[reef portal]

Killer is camping a downed survivor? Wait to pick them up and apply your own pressure in the meantime

[tidal vessel]

no i play survivor, and ive been slugged, but that was my fault for not being a better looper
just like how its your fault you also got downed

[lethal trail]

so that that survivor doesnt get to play and bleeds out. yup thats fun

[reef portal]

If you NEED to pick them up work with your team to be at 2 health states and just have that last person heal

[tidal vessel]

it takes forever for a survivor to bleed out

[reef portal]

Yeah it's not fun but the solution to that isn't to give survivors a gun

[lethal trail]

6thats. the. point.

[tidal vessel]

yeah plenty of time to save them

[brittle mantle]

A lot of problems I think could be fixed by simply just buffing killers that don’t have the map pressure (trapper, hag, Myers, etc) which would mean less of a reason to slug/tunnel

[lethal trail]

they are on the floor the whole game. they didnt pay to get slugged to the point of not playing the game

[reef portal]

You have a ton of time to get saved or atleast get the other survivors out of the match

[tidal vessel]

but that doesnt happen every match

[lethal trail]

most matches now have become that dude

[brittle mantle]

Which there should still be SOME changes to those, but primarily I think the weaker killers just need to be buffed

[tidal vessel]

completely false

[reef portal]

While it isn't fun it's also almost never happening and regular basic slugging should not be nerfed just because of the possibility of someone hard slugging

[reef portal]

Same with tunneling

[tidal vessel]

at most 3/10 matches have sluggers

[lethal trail]

not ever experaince is going to be the same bro. im telling you. its happening

and it shouldnt

[reef portal]

Maybe 1/20 have the slugging this guy's talking about

[tidal vessel]

yeah it does but not as much as you want to believe

[tidal vessel]

as in 1/20 matches have sluggers?

[lethal trail]

point is . it needs to be stopped.

[reef portal]

This guy's slugging

[tidal vessel]

no it doesnt

[reef portal]

Sitting next to a slugged survivor just to bait other survivors

[lethal trail]

you may not have a problem with it. but MAJORITY who are unistaling the game say it does need to be stoped

[reef portal]

And letting them sit on the ground for ages until they bleed out

[brittle mantle]

I generally have only slugged when I absolutely have to (primarily endgame) as killers with no map preassure

[lethal trail]

if you have to hard slug/tunnel to get the "win:" you didnt win you just lazy killed.

[tidal vessel]

thast because they are entitled sore losers who dont like losing (which is like 50% of survivor mains)

[reef portal]

The majority of people uninstalling the game say killers shouldn't be constantly punished for not playing high tiers with constant survivor micro buffs from what I've seen

I wouldn't even mind alot of these changes if they just reverted the pallet stuff

[lethal trail]

wrong! the stats and the polls show they uninstal because of camping tunneling and slugging

[reef portal]

Or atleast lowered kick times/basekit fire up or something like that to actually compensate for it

[lethal trail]

and ints not entitlement its WE ALL PAAAYED to oplay the same game. if im not getting to play because killers want to cheepen the kill and make it easier on them? then i want a refund

[reef portal]

Which stats

[brittle mantle]

When I play Blight, singularity, knight or even Springtrap I can’t remember last time I actively slugged a team

As trapper or Myers. A fair amount due to the game getting late with no options

[lethal trail]

go back at 41 mins of the community stream and hes says the top 3 reasons people unnistal and leave is tunneling and slugging

[reef portal]

I'm genuinely doubtful about alot of the devs stats considering they seem to be extremely inconsistent about what defines slugging and tunneling

[tidal vessel]

yeah and youre still playing the game its just a few matches out of a hundred you are getting slugged and even still
what would you even want them to do against slugging?

[reef portal]

And if we really wanna get rid of slugging and tunneling why not

[lethal trail]

he was very clear on what they say is tunenling and slugging

tuneling- going after the same player all game to get them out. fast.
slugging more then one on the ground and not to apply pressure

[reef portal]

Actually address the reason people need to slug and tunnel

[lethal trail]

because they can!

and it increased when the devs refused to release the anti mechanics

because they were emboldend. now they are told nope we wont punish you now so thet will increas again. which i already called they were going to do this shit. walk back on the anti mechanics make them dog shit and then not ever release it .

[reef portal]

Because survivors are extremely powerful compared to killers currently and lower tier killers need to rely on these strategies to get consistent wins

If more options were actually viable for the majority of the killer roster it would be alot less common

[lethal trail]

no their not. lets go over the killer advantages and the dog shit surivors have shall we? and i play kiler! i play 2 hooks each then death.

[reef portal]

Idk what DBD your playing that only has blight and nurse

[tidal vessel]

i agree
in higher mmr matches killers have to play blight, nurse, kaneki etc
because if they dont they get destroyed

[reef portal]

Playing a match of doctor or pig is unbearable in the games current state

Even mid tiers are struggling quite a bit especially with the changes to pallets

[tidal vessel]

yeah and you can only get a hook if you down someone, which takes two hits, which means you have to not get palleted, infinite-looped, flashlight stunned, flashbanged, and thats only if you are chasing ONE SURVIVOR
WHILE THE OTHERS ARE ALL GENRUSHING

even if you get to pick someone up, you have to make sure not to get flashlighted, and that the other survivors dont break the hooks

[brittle mantle]

To not sound like a killer main, but it is quite literally a 4v1, the killer needs to be strong as you are doing all your own work.

Survivors are 4 individuals meaning their power should come from working as a team. The fact that single survivors can be as good as they are is a bit absurd to me. Which isn’t to say there should be no skill ceiling to survivor and solo’s shouldn’t be good. But survivor gameplay in general I feel is just far too forgiving for something that’s supposed to be a team effort

[reef portal]

You either play a killer who can down and finish chases quickly or you deal with atleast A gen popping every chase

More if the team is actually using good perks

With both sides using kinda fun/gimmicky perks matches tend to be alot more fun but with more and more of these changes killers are forced to use meta shit which leads to survivors using meta shit and a feedback loop of nobody having fun

[tidal vessel]

if all the survivors are just as skilled as the killer in looping theres nothing the killer can really do

[brittle mantle]

Unfortunately

I know the game will never actually be fixed to be good. But I really wish we could turn the clock back and revamp a lot of the game

[reef portal]

I don't know if my shitpost stealthslinger build is gonna be put up against a bunch of steagulls or a 4 man SWF with full toolboxes and genrushing perks

[tidal vessel]

tbh they should probably drop the game and make DBD 2 with revamped gameplay

[reef portal]

And alot of people don't wanna take the risk of a game where they are just getting thrown around for 15 minutes

[brittle mantle]

I think the issue is that due to all the licenses they just can’t

[lethal trail]

so lets go over killer advantages first.

1- they get to stategize and pick their lobies.
they can see what the survivos bring, see what items they have, see if they are a crew the want to go agaisnt. if not they get to leave.
2; hex totems go all across the map cant be heard by survivors hard to see. and find most times unless really lucky spawn waisting survivor times looking for them
3; addons do not have conditions and go through out even endgame. and do not deplet.
4; their perks have very little conditions and no counters to them.
5; some have effects that last untill the do certain things like caging making it harder.
6 no perks turn off in endgame
7 even have end game perks that make escaping almost impossible. which ok fair but dont play like they have to camp in end game when they really dont.

lts go over survivors

1 items deplete
2; perks that "are anti mechs" that killers legit ignore.
3; totems can be found and have been fucking gutted so much they are almost unuseable especialy large maps. (their radius is shit )
4; have no reall way to counter tunneling and sluging and have to risk real perks to be able to use to further the game to counter thes mechancins taht are nmow in ever match
5; glitcehs to their perks . like head on.
6 having to figure out how vaulting is going to fuck them over because we have 5 different stlye of vautling.
7; any time we get a god anti perk? like unbreak able. it gets gutted because killers cry its to op.
8; all most all builds get useless in edngame cause their turned off.
9 anti camp turns off in endgame giving an hand out to killers at end game because pat pat.

[tidal vessel]

oh i see

[tidal vessel]

this arguement is so flawed there is genuinely only one thing you need to say to counter this entire arguement

IF ALL SURVIVORS ARE JUST AS SKILLED AT LOOPING AS THE KILLER, THERES NOTHING THE KILLER CAN DO

[lethal trail]

thats the ONLY counter you have. and thats sad bro.

survivors are getting shit on and you dont care but one day you will when there are none left because they have all gone to killer.

[tidal vessel]

i didnt say that was the only one i have
i said theres only one i need to say

[lethal trail]

no its not because again. not everyone has the same fking skill base!

[tidal vessel]

and dont call me sad, youre the one who is complainng about this becuase you died a couple times

[brittle mantle]

Ideally survivors should be at their lowest when they try to take a killer head on, but as a team they can be very strong which should then come to the killer to single out targets

But there’s no real way to fix these things without resetting the clock

[reef portal]

1-you see survivors items and literally nothing else (which they are also able to swap to different items right before the match starts

2-hex totems are entirely RNG dependant and if they get snuffed out they lose out on a perk slot entirely, most tend to also just be not very good perks

3-most add-ons are alot more toned down/have downsides to compensate compared to item add-ons

4-so do survivors

5-no clue what you are talking about here

6-neither do survivors??? And technically any gen slowdown perks DO get disabled in endgame

7-the only endgame perks I can think that you could be talking about are maybe perks to close off the gates for a bit which while yeah there are a few builds with very long times to open the gates they usually compensate by having 0 gen slowdown at the same time

[lethal trail]

that woul be great if they were able to use team based perks and not have to run now broken ass anti mech perks just to live more them 5 mins

[reef portal]

Time to get to the survivor portion

[tidal vessel]

Simping CareTaker System should main killer for a month to see what we are talking about

[lethal trail]

I am a killer main bro!

i am just objectively look at it from both sides.

yes a killer should in fact be a stronger part. BUT THATS THE WHOLE POINTthe killer is the stronger an should be able to resort to mechanices that are cheep and lack skill to win!

and everytime survivors get anti tunnel/slug perk. killer mains complain till its nerfed into the ground and useless.

[brittle mantle]

Ehhhhh, idk about that last part

[reef portal]

1- yeah no shit they are items
2- genuinely have no clue what you are talking about here
3- yeah because behavior is bad at balancing and they were super oppressive
4- the counter to tunneling and slugging is either having anti tunnel/slug perks or just letting your team finish gens, a 1k is still a killer loss
5- please play twins
6- yeah that's the mechanic and that's the skill ceiling/floor
7- yeah because some of these perks are oppressive
8- maybe if your only running gen rushing perks, use some healing or endgame perks I guess
9- yeah because endgame is when survivors are least split up and can most easily coordinate a hook save

[tidal vessel]

no youre not
theres no way YOU
who is saying this garbage is a killer main

[brittle mantle]

I don’t think killers even if strong, should have to rely on cheap tactics to win

[tidal vessel]

youve been saying the literal opposite this entire time

[reef portal]

"anytime we get a god perk? It gets gutted because killers cry it's op" truly spoken like a killer main

[brittle mantle]

That’s why tunneling and slugging are as problematic as they are. Because a lot of the killers simply don’t have the resources to be strong

[tidal vessel]

if he was a true killer main he wouldnt be complaining about slugging and tunneling

[reef portal]

You literally referred to survivors as "we"

[lethal trail]

or maybe as a killer main i know whats fair and whats not. as a killer main i dont resort to tactics that are cheep and just accept that i got out played

[reef portal]

Unless killers just got unbreakable given to them

[lethal trail]

thats what your are stuck on? really?

[reef portal]

I'm just pointing out that this is very clearly biased twords survivors

[tidal vessel]

you complaining about getting slugged is the definitiion of NOT accepting you got outplayed

[reef portal]

You literally said items depleting was a downside to survivors

[lethal trail]

slugging isnt out playing wtaf

[tidal vessel]

if youre getting slugged, it means you got outplayed by the killer and got downed because of it

[lethal trail]

i didnt say it was a downsaid it was a counter to what the kilrs have.

[lethal trail]

ooor it means they are a dickwad. like no its not getting out played.

again killers ignore anti slug/tunel perks like crazy

[tidal vessel]

its literally a result of getting outlooped by a killer

[lethal trail]

getting downed is not hte problem bro getting downed and getting slugged is two different fking things

[tidal vessel]

not true
what about Michonnes perk that makes you heal a health state TO GET AWAY

its a direct counter to slugging

[tidal vessel]

no because in order to get slugged
you have to get downed

[lethal trail]

lets talk about this perk.

yes. it is a good perk. IF you get to use it.

[lethal trail]

slugign is leaving you downed instead of hooking you and leaving.

[tidal vessel]

wym IF you get to use it
you get to use it if you have recovered 25%

which is so easy if you are getting slugged

[lethal trail]

yes and then down again because the kiler is right on top of you.

[reef portal]

It's the "survivor disadvantages" list is it not

[tidal vessel]

no because they are distracted by the other survivors

[lethal trail]

no its comparing survior to killer

[tidal vessel]

no you said you were listing the advantages of killer and the downsides of survivor

you keep contradicting yourself

[lethal trail]

i gave the counters to the killers advantages.

also i am getting frustrated and over stimeed so i may acctually be contridciting my self i will admit that

i am tryin to make a point and its getting losed having two different convos

so i will only be focusing on one subject.

[tidal vessel]

if youre getting overstimulated then you need to take a break and calm down

[lethal trail]

yea thats the best idea thanks for being understanding though

[tidal vessel]

i also get overstimulated easily

[tidal vessel]

yeah totally man

[reef portal]

Ok then what are the advantages of survivor

Genuinely curious to hear what you think

[lethal trail]

sruvivor advantages?

oh easily

have coms for swif unless solo.
16 perks over the 4
and there is 4 people. over the 1
the point of views ( which is why krasue is so loved because that evened the playing fieeld between survivor and killer honestly)

i think the biggest advantage and i agree its frustrating is swifs in coms. easily cordinated but i know when i do play survivor we are not always seirous and it does distract alot! like alot alot

but give me a moment to calm down and refucos i truely am over stimmed

[reef portal]

Alright

[tidal vessel]

👍

[tawny sable]

How yall feel about this upcoming ptb, simplified?

[reef portal]

I'm fine with the anti tunnel stuff and the incentives are decent if a little bit mediocre, the anti slugging stuff I can see being a problem and I'd still rather not have basekit unbreakable but won't know until it drops, still no mention of pallet changes getting reverted which is unfortunate

[tawny sable]

I thought they were talking about reverting some pallet changes

Also new anti-slug req isn't so bad, survivors rarely get halfway to bleedout

[reef portal]

Iirc we haven't gotten a word about it other than the survey

[reef portal]

My thing is with the 33% increase for each slugged survivor

[tawny sable]

Oh for each? I thought it was 33% if all 4 were slugged

[reef portal]

Because that's a pretty big deal for killers like oni

I thought it was 33% per additional survivor

[tawny sable]

That would make more sense

[reef portal]

If I'm wrong then that's good and that's fine

[tawny sable]

Honestly if the anti-tunnel incentives make it to live I'd love it

Cuz the blood point bonus alone should solve the casual tunnelling issue

[reef portal]

No it's for each

Each survivor is 33% additional speed to the timer

[tawny sable]

Also how will the bloodlust on hook work if you're running that one alien perk?

[reef portal]

Bloodlust on hook is very nice

[tawny sable]

Its nice but idk if instinct will be anti-synergy

[reef portal]

That's going to be extremely helpful to get a headstart on finding people

[reef portal]

Yeahhh that might be annoying

[tawny sable]

Even more so for trap and setup killers

[reef portal]

Yeah

[tawny sable]

Oni is probably fast enough to handle it, I'm more worried about twins

How long does Oni's rage last for?

[reef portal]

Oni mighttt be fast enough but it's gonna add up

[reef portal]

45 seconds

[tawny sable]

Yeah exact same duration as the slug timer if it's a quad slug

[reef portal]

Which is gonna be ROUGGHHH for oni in late game

[tawny sable]

That should still be 3 free hooks though, with one survivor injured and bleeding

[reef portal]

Since it doesn't reset most likely

[tawny sable]

Didnt they say it's affected by other survivors or was that the anti-tunnel thing

[reef portal]

Wdym

[tawny sable]

not anti-tunnel, anti-camp

[tawny sable]

One of the changes is affected by nearby survivors getting up (or self unhooking? If im mistaken)

When is ptb again?

[reef portal]

I think that might be the grace period for the whole anticamp stuff

[tawny sable]

Nvm I checked. PTB is November 4th

Also if any skull merchant mains peek in here ping me and lmk how the buffs to her look so far

[lethal trail]

Let me be a bit more with survivor advantages.

1. The biggest one is coms. Swifs are soo hard to go against especially bully squads trust me ....I hate them just ss much as the next killer. Especially when I am amore chill killer if I win I win if I lose I lose. I play to have fun not a competition. If I want a comp I will go to customs.

2. Items are only an advantage If they time it right and position well. I have ruined so many saves by swifs by making sure I my self am positioned right. ( I run a semi aura bulld) but also will keep a chase going till I find a wall to kick them down at and save from a flash light save. And alway smake sure to know where the hooks are doesn't always work but it's my strat.

And I make them waste their items quickly as possible.

One perk I have seen other killers hate is built to last but I don't really worry about it much as it's such a rarely.used perk in my experience.

3.; totems can be replaced vs hex. ( but again easily snuffed and found and such a short radius that I don't see many using them anymore)

4; numbers is an advantage. But only if you can get everyone to understand what to do. If you have. Solo/duo/trio/ it is so hard to coordinate where as killer only has to rely on self and no fighting or some one failing to follow through. But numbers is def an advantage if proper coordination can happen.

5; pov and mobility.
While killers are faster. Survicors do have oiv in the bag. I can't tell you how many times i have duped a killer or been duped by a survivor becauae they have a way to find hiding spots before killer and can,see killer in other directions.

Again why krasue is so controversial/loved.

Because that killer crosses that gap. And takes away this advantage.

6; speed may be lacking but survicors can move more smoothly and have almost lo limit mobility wise.

7; being able to vault with out issues. Killers having to have a whole ass animation to go through is kinda ridiculous but also understandable.

Yet even with all these it doesn't really balance out ( which I know it's not truely.supppsed to ) However.

When strategies are being used as crutches/the only way to win. And taking overboard. ( again I have said I want to only stop hard tunneling and overslugging )

The anti mech perks are useless in 80 percent of the cases of these things happening.

Sorry I took so long

[reef portal]

Items don't really require strategy to use most of the time unless your talking about like maps or something

Toolboxes speeding up gens is literally never a waste

Fast or instant heals with medkits are never a waste

The only item that's commonly used that's easily wasted is flashlights and those tend to be more gimmicky then anything anyways

You didn't mention like at all survivor perks though

Or how fast gens can pop if a team is actually working on them

[lethal trail]

This all depends on the killer player actually. I don't keep chases very long if I see my gens popping fast. So I don't really tbink a out it and when we play survivor my swif doesn't play gen perks.

But I also did t talk about killer perk in general only that they have little to no conditions not their functionality. Otnet then end gameperks which I said was fair but still an advantage.

[reef portal]

You also forgot to mention exhaustion perks

And how they just allow you to completely leave/ignore chases at times

[lethal trail]

I generally.sont talk on perks because my.own personal knowledge of them is limited so I don't talk about on things I don't know about.

[reef portal]

Or immediately leave a deadzone

[reef portal]

Either way gens pop extremely quickly with a good set of survivors ESPECIALLY with toolboxes or gen perks

Which leaves killers who cannot apply constant pressure (like 60-70% of the killer roster) to have gens popping on them constantly

[lethal trail]

Again. Depends on tbe pressure you as killer press.

If you focus on a chase to long then yes. You will get a big pop.

[reef portal]

Try applying pressure to 4 separate gens and committing to chase as trapper or deathslinger lul

It's not that simple

[lethal trail]

I have played every killer I can and I can ( don't have money for every killer. ) but I won't talk on every killer I have played simply because I don't like their playstyle so I don't kmow them well enough so let's use. A simple one. Trapper.

Trapper. Can have huge gen pressure. If you do it right( I suck with him but. Have seen pros get it done even against swifs ) but ya gotta learn how to do it. Remember killers do have more advantages over survivors. By desig. Ans because thet havr to so yes. Even with God teir looping unless baby killer or new to that specific. Miller you are not gonna stay up and not get hooked at all

But. Her is another killer advantage that surcicors no longer have. BecauE killers complained. And ended up gaining probably the biggest advantage. That is spawning in

[reef portal]

What can trapper do to apply consistent good gen pressure while also still getting downs

Other than 3 gening he just does not have the movement to apply that amount of pressure/prevent a competent squad from popping gens

[lethal trail]

Now all suevicors unless a offering is brought. All spawn together and ij solo q? That is fucked up in ways that aren't thought about. But that's a other topic.

Spawn is a huge killer advantage over survivor advantage. Because you know they will all be together you know generally where they will be. So you work your way there. And you place traps in the best spots. For trapper some maps are horrid and offer no cam for gens so yeah.

But working with this knowledge. Trapper can place traps at every gen close to him and then start chases. Also there is a strat of aura farming there are many ways to still get the win. Especially with end game perks.

But again I don't play with many and would be willing to conceded that maybe it is harder to win as these killers.

[reef portal]

You cannot place traps in a way that can prevent people from using gens

Just like plainly that is not possible

[lethal trail]

I didn't say it would prevent but it would trap them no chase. Cause their already injured instant down once you get to them

[reef portal]

It wouldn't trap them tho if they are actually paying attention

[lethal trail]

True. But it also gives es you notifications to get to th3m so there is that too

[reef portal]

You can't like place them directly on top of a gen or something

[lethal trail]

Again some maps don't work with this strat! Like oh rpd. Is a bad map for traper

[reef portal]

If they get trapped by it which competent or even just decent survivors won't do

[lethal trail]

No but they do remove it so no one else does. Plus aura buold.in trader is such a ghoat plus there are strategies perks to stop gen rushing.

That are more perm then anti tunel/slug perks

Which is why so many scream more ab9ut tunneling and slugging.over gen rushing.
Is gen rushing a bitch?! Yes. But it is not as hard to counter as tunneling and slugging.

[celest hare]

It would be nothing like removing flashlights for survivor... And hard tunnelling camping and slugging simply don't belong in the game or work well enough in the killer's favour to warrant it staying

And if they did then killers should receive side grades

[celest hare]

Lmao the good old fashioned "there's perks to deal with it!!!" omg I didn't know you're old BHVR??? Little miss bandaid fix