ptb-discussion

[young forum]

why don't I have all perks unlocked on the ptb? is this a bug?

I only have general perks and that characters teachables for each character.

and teachable perks are not showing up in bloodwebs

[odd vortex]

I swear a mod needs to pin something

BLIGHT IS SO SLOWWWW LMAOOOO

[plain hawk]

wait why is the mail on the ptb not there? it also reverted a whole bunch of progress

nvm you have to go to the home to get it now

[ripe bison]

its not just the ghosts from the lich spell that are tposed

[odd vortex]

Hey thats me

[ripe bison]

it do be

Im trying to see if the claim that pain res blows up more of the gen than its supposed to is true

every time I bring it all the hooks spawn on the opposite side of the map though

[brisk moat]

What were the buffs to demo and unknown?

[ripe bison]

Demo had his a

[stiff escarp]

Most of this ptb is a nothing burger hoooly

[ripe bison]

theres some funny bugs

[stiff escarp]

Ill buy every slinger cosmetic if they buff my guy 😭

icl diminishing returns sounds good but I don't think it will be healthy long term

[warped copper]

is anybody else getting a fatal error when booting up the ptb?

Fatal error: [File:D:\Jenkins\Ramen_PTB\Engine\Source\Runtime\Windows\D3D11RHI\Private\D3D11Util.cpp] [Line: 213]
CreateBuffer failed with error E_INVALIDARG
at D:\Jenkins\Ramen_PTB\Engine\Source\Runtime\Windows\D3D11RHI\Private\D3D11Buffer.cpp:135

DeadByDaylight_Win64_Shipping {0x0000000000000000} + 53437624 bytes
DeadByDaylight_Win64_Shipping {0x0000000000000000} + 53344277 bytes
DeadByDaylight_Win64_Shipping {0x0000000000000000} + 53382339 bytes
DeadByDaylight_Win64_Shipping {0x0000000000000000} + 59607917 bytes
DeadByDaylight_Win64_Shipping {0x0000000000000000} + 59494071 bytes
DeadByDaylight_Win64_Shipping {0x0000000000000000} + 59494693 bytes
DeadByDaylight_Win64_Shipping {0x0000000000000000} + 59608340 bytes
DeadByDaylight_Win64_Shipping {0x0000000000000000} + 59549168 bytes
DeadByDaylight_Win64_Shipping {0x0000000000000000} + 59757235 bytes
DeadByDaylight_Win64_Shipping {0x0000000000000000} + 55793953 bytes
DeadByDaylight_Win64_Shipping {0x0000000000000000} + 21558587 bytes
DeadByDaylight_Win64_Shipping {0x0000000000000000} + 21606513 bytes
DeadByDaylight_Win64_Shipping {0x0000000000000000} + 21583201 bytes
DeadByDaylight_Win64_Shipping {0x0000000000000000} + 55894657 bytes
DeadByDaylight_Win64_Shipping {0x0000000000000000} + 55894903 bytes
DeadByDaylight_Win64_Shipping {0x0000000000000000} + 23693847 bytes
DeadByDaylight_Win64_Shipping {0x0000000000000000} + 23693241 bytes
kernel32 {0x0000000000000000} + 190679 bytes
ntdll {0x0000000000000000} + 574460 bytes

[ripe bison]

I havent gotten anything like that

[warped copper]

:(

[hazy kraken]

So queues having 2v8 treatment?

Game not even telling me how much to wait

[ripe bison]

theyre that bad yeah

perk bug combined with survivors not caring as much about it and no new character

[hazy kraken]

Perk bug?

[ripe bison]

Some characters for people will either have all rank 1 perks or only their base perks and nothing else

in the PTB. Its why you might see more generic perks on people

[hazy kraken]

I can't get prestige rewards

[frozen schooner]

how are the diminishing returns in the ptb? im kinda worried about how they are gonna affect build diversity

[hazy kraken]

So bloody Chucky I have on live I can't get on ptb... same with his avatar... maybe it's not even lvl 50, but feels deserved

[languid light]

So long as you don't stack it can't hurt you

[frozen schooner]

right, but doesnt that eliminate so many unique builds?

[languid light]

I think it just encourages builds to cover your weaknesses or strategies a bit more. Though be aware i didn't try every way of fighting the diminishing returns with my older builds minus the all haste build

[plain hawk]

these queue times are agregious oh my

[warped copper]

if anybody knows a fix for this please let me know!

[forest kernel]

lf friends to swf / chill NA 18+ dm me!

[pale crane]

how is the skull merchant meta going ?

[pine berry]

so with diminishing returns i just have to do my own math to find out how much a perk will still do why doesnt it say in game

[plain hawk]

waited 7 minutes to get into a game, survivors throw themselves at hook infront of me and dc when they get downed, complain in egc about sweating, tunneling, and slugging? telling me to get off the ptb for sweating even tho i'm literally just testing how the new blight changes feel

[zealous storm]

Pick the several anti tunneling perks, DS is free and get better at holding chases for team to finish gens

[winged kraken]

does anyone else not have auric cells in the ptb?

[snow horizon]

did you claim them from your inbox?

[winged kraken]

lemme check

i did not claim it yet lol

in my defense there was no notification thing

[dark mango]

what does the modifier thing do?

[weary pilot]

What's 50 divided by 2? If you can solve that, they don't need to elaborate.

[weary pilot]

I don't have auric cells.

[pine berry]

not everything is clean like that

[dark mango]

check your messages they give them out

every ptb talking about someone cant do math and dont know how to check your inbox

[weary pilot]

I'm likely wrong. I'll go double check.

Ah there we go

Generous to give us only 6k auric cells down from 12k

[dark mango]

I mean technically they dont have to give us anything they could make us have to level our characters drom p 0 lvl 1

[weary pilot]

Yeah I know I just had to point that out

[dark mango]

they also disabled all the prestige badges

which im mad about

[dark mango]

if you find me Im playing bubba on killer

[weak cape]

Wtf how

How to get that

[weary pilot]

Go to your inbox and click messages and then click claim

[tawdry kernel]

hasve they fixed the issue where when u buy new characters u get all the perks or nash

[errant terrace]

WHAT

yo tell me this isn’t april fools or something 💔

[robust heron]

when will this ptb release

[fierce creek]

hopefully yesterday

cant wait for blight nerfs to be live

[wanton coral]

I cant access the ptb, did they kill switch it?

[autumn mirage]

Logged in game, queue for 40 minutes, didnt got a match and i leave since is late now

Tf?

[ripe bison]

Survivors dont have much incentive to play the ptb

Also theres perks being bugged

[autumn mirage]

Well then probably we will get a bad update since no feedback for devs to ignore

[autumn mirage]

The diminishing returns probably was implemented with duct tape

[ripe bison]

No like

Remember how last ptb it was bugged so some charactets just ever had access to the new perks?

This PTB its the same but worse

Most charsctets end up onpy having access to default perks

Or have access to all perks but only tier 1

[lunar pilot]

it's ass

[odd vortex]

Synopsis: The killers that got buffed feel way stronger. Blight is now poo poo ass for anyone that played him as an M1 zoner. Diminishing return system is fine but we're going to end up in a Bardic 1234 meta with Autodidact

my Duo and I were running it and its incredibly powerful. You hit get max stats autodidact in 2 heals, and every person on the team flies through gens

The perk stacking crap really just doesnt matter all that much. The people who are complaining about healing builds are blissfully ignorant to how absurdly powerful Auto + 1234 is and how its stronger than any combination of healing perks there were

as usual its cope. Music META inc

if you want to run a gen build, put on bardic and a gen speed perk like deja. If you wanna run a heal build, put on WGLF and one of the normal healing perks with a medkit

which then leaves the game in a state where the only real nerf is the haste stacking, which was really only a problem ont he killer side. Its a lot more common to see haste perks on haste killers or stacked haste on a killer (furtive + Rapid / Batteries) than it was to see MFT + Po2 / Bloodpact / speed boon

[fierce creek]

Blight is now poo poo ass for anyone that played him poorly*

[odd vortex]

And ofcourse the only really unhealthy part of the game, which is stacking quadruple regression on a high / S tier and gen locking the game, is not being adequately addressed. Stacking regression perks make for painful, slow games and allow killers who make a lot of mistakes to extend games beyond what is tolerable for an average pub lobby. if anyone actually thinks that the current boodmoon event is fun from the survivor POV when youre playing against Surge - Turnback - Ruin - pain res on an S / high tier... it isnt. Pub games should not be taking 15-30 minutes to complete, especially during high playerbase activity times like events.

[odd vortex]

agree. Blight is no longer #1. Its not even close. He actually has to play the game now, land his power, and interact with the pallet logic on maps

[pallid ginkgo]

still top 5 ish

[fathom widget]

I'm sure Lilith Omen will make blight look pretty much the same

For everyone else though, they are gonna feel a lot more limited

[tacit salmon]

I have a bit of feedback for this PTB already.

1. Dredge change hits the biggest pain point on the head but I think it should be hit a smidge harder. While holding his power to leave a remnant he should move 4.1m/s instead of 4m/s. you could probably even go to 4.2m/s. You move faster than the survivor to catch up to them and hit them, and you gain bloodlust after a while to catch up faster. With Dredge moving as fast as survivors they can camp pallets or vaults and wait to see if Dredge teleports or not.

1.5. Lockers should spawn where killer items (Xeno tunnels, Ring TVs, etc) spawn when it’s Huntress, Trickster or Dredge to make their powers more easily accessible. Xenomorph will still be leagues better than Dredge because tunnels are next to gens.

2. The Doctor and Bubba changes are very obviously nothing burgers. Buff them more.

3. Just give Ghostface base kit haste or make his move speed 4.8m/s already. Nobody would mind a big numbers buff to Ghostface. Everyone loves Ghostface in fact, so stop just giving him crumbs. Play with your Food and Knife Sheathe are used so much on Ghostface because they make him playable in this metagame where you need to be fast.

4. 👏👏on the Demo buffs, please remove his scream upon exiting portals and increase turn rate more while decreasing pallet break and on hit shred cooldown.

Also this isn’t about killer but just in general. Please fix the 2v8 pallet density issue.

Also I should have said this at the start of my feedback but I am a survivor main who played killers in the past and have an understanding of the game on both sides of the coin. I want to play killers more and stream myself playing said lower tier killers and Ghostface, Dredge and Demogorgon are 3 of my top 10 killers so I BADLY want to see them buffed to playability

[pallid ginkgo]

thoughts on springtrap buffs?

[tacit salmon]

Personally I don’t play Animatronic or get to fight one a lot but from what I saw this morning watching JCGlitchmaster there is a very clear difference and a good one.

I’ve seen enough of him to recognize he’s better

[plain hawk]

i know that killers get every addon for their power on the ptb, is there a way to get that on survivor?

[tacit salmon]

Not sure, pretty sure that’s a PTB choice as testing out killer changes with every add-on is super important in comparison to a survivor having a better medkit

Not to be rude obviously

[quiet geyser]

Diminishing returns sounds really terrible. It doesn't affect any skill check based gen rush build for survivors like hyperfocus + stake out. That's still gonna be busted. Also why is diminishing returns affect killers in the first place. Killers r already in a bad position. It's 4 perk vs 16 perks. The only thing it will affect a little bit is healing builds for survivors. Other than that it won't change anything. The haste limitation will hurt killers even more.

I don't see how this is a positive update.

And only demo and unknown got pretty good buffs other than those two I see useless buffs. Doctor buff is literally a 0.5 second tweak that's not even a buff. Bubba buff is also not that good. Ghost face buff is a joke having 2 second less cooldown of power means nothing when his power is still garbage and bugged. Dredge buff is also nothing. Skull merchant got perks icon changes is that supposed to be a buff? 😭

About springtrap in the stream they said they were making him significantly stronger if survs don't engage with cameras but thats not seems to be the case. All he got was decreased timers for his axe which in no way makes him significantly stronger.

Also being able to see other survs perks is a really good update but it shouldn't show who's the killer. Even non stealth killers should not be shown. No one asked for this.

Also again fast track nerf is nothing too they just change the charge from 2% to 1% but it's still permanent progress so killers will still get punished for hooking different survivors.

Being able to see survs perks is the only W in this ptb everything else is absolutely mid.

[sudden vault]

mirrored illusion is bugged. T pose and no colors.😭 🥀

[granite oriole]

Diminishing returns are so extremely shit

[pallid ginkgo]

i realy dont know what this is

[tacit salmon]

I’m glad that a lot of people are noticing the buffs are big nothing burgers but I disagree that Dredge’s buff is nothing. Just that it’s not enough.

[pallid ginkgo]

like if i run a full on gen build as killer its weaker?

[granite oriole]

It would feel like you brought 1 perk but ofc it doesn't effect hyperfocus stakeout

[pallid ginkgo]

classic bvhr

[granite oriole]

You want Deja Vu 6% and Prove Thyself 10%? Oh, sorry, you'll get only 5% from prove making it a wasted slot

[pallid ginkgo]

springtraps buff is just rewarding good players with the axe nothing else

[granite oriole]

Healing builds are completely dead as well

As well as haste builds

Basically all really fun non meta builds go to the garbage

[pallid ginkgo]

including endgame builds?

[granite oriole]

Example?

[pallid ginkgo]

remeber me no way out etc

[granite oriole]

They don't have same effects

[pallid ginkgo]

oh i see

[tacit salmon]

No uh, you’d get 13%

[quiet geyser]

It's not really a much difference. He should have gotten more buffs. The killer is shit in outdoor maps.

[pallid ginkgo]

springtap and unknown top b tier now or nah same spots?

[quiet geyser]

Springtrap placement doesn't change at all. Idk about unknown

[granite oriole]

Few % tweak will not change any placements on tier lists

[plain hawk]

i keep getting booted in the middle of games and when loading in, is this just a me problem?

[tacit salmon]

That’s why I recommended lockers for Dredge, Huntress and Trickster in killer item spawns when they’re at play

[granite oriole]

Funnily enough, RPD being indoor map is one of the worst dredge maps

[quiet geyser]

I mean tbh rpd is a terrible map in general lol.

[pallid ginkgo]

doctors buff was a rounding error fixed insane and why did weskar being the best on the list get the most buffs

[granite oriole]

At least they buffed Bubba nicely

[pallid ginkgo]

do you think making springtrap a permanet 4.6 killer would be good or other changes?

[quiet geyser]

I think that would be too strong as other ranged killers are still 4.4.

With no map teleportation

[tacit salmon]

To be honest, make Huntress and Trickster 4.6 too

[granite oriole]

Hag 4.6

I don't understand why she's 4.4 at first place

[quiet geyser]

Like atleast springtrap can teleport. The other ranged killes like slinger and huntress got nothing.

[granite oriole]

Her power is survivor controlled teleport

[pallid ginkgo]

does that make him faster while throwing

trickster

[granite oriole]

No

[pallid ginkgo]

do you think foxys addon the 7 % haste should only be for springtrap

[tacit salmon]

I think that it would be 4.6 with maybe some speed reduction being semi-mitigated while throwing because he is really slow.

[pallid ginkgo]

if springtrap had 2 axes where do you think hell be on the tierlist

[tacit salmon]

I don’t know and I’d rather not say anything on something I really don’t know much about

If I’m honest, I am more here giving feedback so Dredge can be better over other killers

As much as I know about Demogorgon, Ghostface and others I am more versed in Dredge so that’s where I want my voice to be heard the most.

If I had my way with him. Killer item spawns would have lockers there and he would move at 4.2m/s while holding power.

[woeful knoll]

how much does the new ptb weight in gigabytes

[tacit salmon]

About 50

[jolly mantle]

I wished for nemesis (the char not the perk) buff but no can do… 😭

[autumn mirage]

30 minutes waiting for a match..... may as well not test the PTB

[wooden skiff]

yeah the ptb is awful

all you need to know is that every killer buff is meaningless except for demogorgon, who feels alot nicer to play

[heady relic]

i mean shorter cooldown on springtrap does seem pretty nice imo

even tho u wanna stick the axe in them for longer so you get the grab 😭

[tame widget]

Thought the unknown would be slightly better

[wooden skiff]

i think they seperated the grab axe key from the m1 basic attack key

so you can now choose to down and slug or instagrab

i havent confirmed this though, the queues were too bad for me to play anything but one demo game

[heady relic]

ye thats an insanely good change imo. ill definitely be playing springtrap more cuz of that

[wooden skiff]

the undetectable is very nice, and the increased rotation speed and movement speed of the shred makes it both easier to get certain hits that felt awful before, and it makes it much easier to keep track of where the target went after you landed/missed the shred

i dont think it helps demogorgon that much since its TP is still pretty ass without leprose lichen

[graceful turret]

Yeah I wanted to try blight but just couldn’t find a match. Survivor had 3.5x bonus too. Played some survivor instead

All matches were against weskers with one xeno on my last match

[jagged fractal]

This doesn't feel so bad.

[boreal sphinx]

Man this ptb is a ptb

[autumn mirage]

And Unknown, the cooldown on UVX + the linger being reduced is HUGE, basicly you get your power quicker and survivor get ride of weaken slower, he needs more but this is a big start so that you can have a chance of injuring weaken survivors without them getting ride of it before your UVX is even off cooldown

[autumn mirage]

Damm

[autumn mirage]

Basicly its the same speed as only having superior anatomy and fire up,

[tacit salmon]

The worst part about is all of the buffs will go through because there's nobody to even test them

And because of that Dredge will not see a further buff to actually make the Remnant teleport actually good.

Like, I think it's a good change to buff up its speed but it NEEDS to be faster than survivors to actually apply pressure

Every single darn day I'm gonna be here reiterating that Dredge needs a further buff since I know he does

[wooden skiff]

fr

[tacit salmon]

Every day I’m gonna be here saying that Dredge should move at 4.2m/s while holding power.

[vagrant crag]

I love the demo buffs. Faster shred speed, more undetectable, faster screen turn after shredding

All they need to do now is make red moss basekit

[tidal willow]

We need ghoul buffs

[merry cobalt]

What is in ptb bc i cant play it

[wooden skiff]

Hell yeah

I’d argue he’d be top tier if this was the case

[uneven onyx]

this ptb doesnt have any of the stuff i bought in the previous ptb and it keeps crashing every 5 seconds, great job bhvr

[uneven onyx]

he should move at 6.8m/s while holding power, no bias thats just a balanced take

[zenith parcel]

is it just me or has axe grabs this ptb just sometimes not work, like ill be right behind someone with the axe and they aren't anim locked or anything and i can't grab it from em

[languid light]

Not just you, custom game or public matches in the ptb I've had the axe grab prompt not show up when I was close enough and for a long time

[zenith parcel]

damn, cuz yeah i have a video of me like, being right behind a bot for 5 straight seconds, literally hitboxes touching, and not being able to do it

[tacit salmon]

I disagree, it should be slightly faster than survivor.

[uneven onyx]

honestly he should be able to noclip while hes holding his power

[zenith parcel]

fsr the video i posted of it on the subreddit got downvoted lmfao

[steel magnet]

why does my game crash every match

[old idol]

Why are you nerfing killer powers and making them subject for diminishing returns?

[zenith parcel]

unless youre talking about blight, no killer powers got nerfed this patch?

some addons did like wesker's egg since part of its effect became basekit but yeah idk what youre on about

[old idol]

No. Look at Clown's haste. As is, that is going to be hit with the nerf stick.

[zenith parcel]

they specifically said addons arent affected by diminishing returns

Modifiers granted from Killer Power and Survivor Item add-ons are excluded from diminishing returns.

[old idol]

Yeah, and that means only the haste addons would be used and we have another cigar box issue.

[zenith parcel]

i mean okay? but you said it like they already have nerfed powers/addons and they havent lmao

[old idol]

In short, clown's powers count as pure state and any perk on top of that feels the nerf stick as is.

[zenith parcel]

plus haste stacking addon clowns have been a thing for a while i really doubt this update is gonna have any implications for how they might get changed in the future because clown was like this from before the patch and the patch didnt change him at all either

this is just kind of creating a problem to complain about when the problem doesnt actually exist

[old idol]

When sticky soda bottle becomes as powerful as rapid brutality under the skillset changes then? It'll be another cigar box issue and knowing that behavior is as neglectful as a Joestar when it comes to parenting, I doubt they will fix this.

[zenith parcel]

i have no idea what youre talking about rn they arent changing clowns addons

addons are going to be balanced the same way they always have because addons are not affected by diminishing returns??

[old idol]

Then you need to read these words carefully. Clown's baked in haste counts as for 100% effect and with a few execptions, this means any perk slot will give only 50% effect.

[zenith parcel]

no thats not how that works

[old idol]

And yet, it is the effect as being reported by THE Clown.

[zenith parcel]

and you need to read my words carefully, addons are not affected by nor do they have an effect on diminishing returns that is solely a perk thing

i havent noticed it on foxy's hook + chucky's batteries, they stack additively just fine

[old idol]

.... You clearly failed reading.

[zenith parcel]

and you failed to get your point across without sounding like you just got done huffing clown's fumes

[sonic charm]

Diminishing Returns don't affect Killer Add-ons, right?

[zenith parcel]

id send a screenshot of the patch notes if i could, but its right there, they are not

you can see it right at the top

[sonic charm]

Bit confused there as it specified Survivor Item Add-ons

[zenith parcel]

probably stuff like, idk, charge stacking on medkits n stuff?

[sonic charm]

Thanks though!

[zenith parcel]

yeah no prob king

[sonic charm]

Actually that was the exact example I was thinking of, phew

[pallid ginkgo]

when does the game update

[zenith parcel]

ptb's are usually like a week, then theres a two week period after them before they hit the live servers

probably use that two week period to make adjustments and fixes to things that were in the ptb

[jade drift]

incredible ghostie placebo ah buffs bhvr

truly game changing for pretty much all 8 killers

such crazy buffs truly worth opening the ptb

[odd vortex]

It is known to the entire PTB player base and the devs that clowns power is not working as described in the patch notes.

It will obviously be corrected when it comes to live, and realistically you shouldn't be running more than a si gular haste perk on the killer anyways so whatever it is that your complaining about is a non issue

Run Rapid like every other normal person playing Doc or Clown, and double speed add ons. When its on live you'll be able to get to 20% haste.

Clown isnt even a killer that was adjusted or looked at in this patch.

[odd vortex]

Why does a killer need to be drastically buffed for it to be worth testing.

These killers were tweaked, not reworked. The only killer highlighted specifically for this update was Blight. Everything else is secondary

[zenith parcel]

the demogorgon changes are p awesome at least

def gonna be returning to my roster of secondaries

[ripe bison]

They really judt guttrd clown

[odd vortex]

[ripe bison]

Wasnt the doctor change something related to seeijg if it could solve ping related problems

[vagrant crag]

Having an iri addon that should be basekit is a huge issue for him because in his current state you basically have to have double iri to win

[wooden skiff]

well i dont think you need to double iri, but leprose is required to make him competent

[hard idol]

so for the ghostface changes, i havent played the ptb yet are they as underwhelming as they seem to be?

[fresh mortar]

plssss i need a myers!

[languid light]

They aren't as underwhelming as nurses add on change but nothing tier changing for ghostface

[languid light]

What for

[hard idol]

thats good then lul i was almost worried

[languid light]

I am happy with the unknown changes but I wanted more as a selfish unknown and skull merchant main

[fresh mortar]

so i can play my fav killer?

[zenith parcel]

are you asking for someone to "give" you myers?

[languid light]

Why are you saying I need a myers if you can play him? Do you not own him

[fresh mortar]

yes :(

[hard idol]

oh yeah i heard that the unknown changes brought him up a tier

@fresh mortar myers is not in the game anymore

[zenith parcel]

i would assume youd own your favorite killer

[fresh mortar]

no..

[fresh mortar]

ik

[languid light]

We can stop with the Harmless nickname. Unknown can actually use their m2 and get results

I can play myers against you but I'm sorry I hope he comes back to the game some day

[zenith parcel]

anyways no you cant be "given" myers, if you didnt buy him you cant get him, sucks but

[fresh mortar]

isnt there like keys for dlc

[hard idol]

if you know they WHY would you ask

[zenith parcel]

pretty sure reselling keys is illegal

[fresh mortar]

BC I LOVE MYERS

[hard idol]

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[hard idol]

wait it is? i didnt know that

[zenith parcel]

no wait i think buying accounts is? nvm im not a lawyer

[old idol]

Known and worked on are two different things. Given how BVHR goes for cigs and milk on promised changes doesn't fill me with hope on the path forward.

[zenith parcel]

its a bug on a single killer in a ptb bro calm down

[odd vortex]

Its the public test beta

Holy shit calm down

Its not the only fucking bug in the ptb

[old idol]

And another blind optimist who doesn't see a pattern.

[zenith parcel]

hes acting like clown got the trickster ptb wesker treatment

[odd vortex]

Mirrored illusions are T Posing, which makes the perk entirely useless.

Im sure you dont care about that. Do you see anyone throwing a baby fit over it?

[zenith parcel]

like 2.5% haste is gonna fucking dump clown to ghost face tier lmfao

[odd vortex]

Like shut up

[hard idol]

damn 😭

[odd vortex]

Your tiara's looking a little crooked princess, go powder your nose

[zenith parcel]

bigger clown than his main

[granite oriole]

crazy how you think that perk wasn't entirely useless before

[zenith parcel]

i fell for it a couple times 💀

[odd vortex]

Its purpose was to be funny, now you cant even meme the meme

[granite oriole]

t poses are funny af

[odd vortex]

But let's spend out time complaining about an unchanged killer having a non-essential bug

[zenith parcel]

didnt the patch notes also say vecna's skeletons t-pose now too

i wanna see that, too bad the ptb took away all my killers 🗿

[limber tiger]

Check notifications youll get 6k auric cells

@zenith parcel

Ingame

[zenith parcel]

nah i already got em and used em

the 6k is p unf though because at least with the trickster ptb it was like 12.5k cells, and that one didnt even take away my killers and cosmetics

the other weird thing is that i still had some of em, like nemesis and pyramid head

but like for example it took away wraith 💀

[ripe bison]

Dude....

[zenith parcel]

que?

[ripe bison]

The returns on clown Haste is crippling

And largely reduces him to just running slowdown

[zenith parcel]

so youre telling me 17.5% vs 20% haste is "crippling" clown

[odd vortex]

You how they already do

[zenith parcel]

and either way god forbid clown ever has to use the other half of his kit

[odd vortex]

What exactly is interesting to you about clown running 30% haste, turning 50 50s into just lose lose

[zenith parcel]

its just a bug during a ptb idk why this is like the apocalypse for clown 💀

[odd vortex]

He has a slowdown bottle

[zenith parcel]

also yeah those max speed builds specifically are exactly what bhvr did the diminishing returns update for

[odd vortex]

He should have to use it instead of slapping on a bunch of speed perks

[zenith parcel]

sorry that an actual healthy patch negatively effected your unhealthy build

[odd vortex]

He's supposed to be a set up chase killer

Not "unga bunga shift W"

[ripe bison]

They could really just

[zenith parcel]

besides 20% haste on a 4.6 killer is plenty, if you cant get a hit with that then thats on you

[ripe bison]

Make the returns not apply to powers

[zenith parcel]

they dont

[odd vortex]

Its. A. Bug.

[ripe bison]

The haste is for macro

[zenith parcel]

lord almighty give me power, can you please send a screenshot of the patch notes that says in plain text addons arent subject to the diminishing returns

i would if i could

[ripe bison]

Thats like, half the point of thr yellow bottles

[odd vortex]

Clowns arent using the haste for macro, they're using it to swing wildly into pallets and hope they get ping hits

[ripe bison]

I said power not addon

[odd vortex]

Instead actually using the two halves of the antiloop

[zenith parcel]

if you run both haste addons with clown youre still getting 15% haste from his yellow bottles

[odd vortex]

This is the same brainrot as pallet break zoning on blight

[ripe bison]

Tbis requires running both haste addons

[zenith parcel]

yeah thats what the number always fuckin was even before this update

[odd vortex]

And like

[ripe bison]

For running both addons and not running anything else

[odd vortex]

The only evidence that its not working as intended

Is the number listed on screen. It could literally be placebo and a bugged number

Whatever it is, its not how its supposed to work, the devs have acknowledged it and its going to be fixed to function as they said the system is supposed to as described in the patch

[zenith parcel]

i dont think even the wesker mains for 9.5.0's ptb were this distressed

[odd vortex]

Bc Wesker mains are here a good time, like they've always been. Highly technical killer receiving buffs for good behavior.

Meanwhile clown players with 52% haste:

https://tenor.com/view/tea-gossip-chisme-dip-gif-16545649

[plain dove]

is the ptb crashing on startup for anyone else

[naive tree]

Bad clowns do this and it's insanely low reward

[hearty radish]

Please buff the unknown jus a lil more ✌️😭

Not askin for him to be blight jus a lil better

[warped copper]

for me it crashes after the splash screen

[plain dove]

Dude same, this has never happened and I even updated drivers

[warped copper]

Fatal error: [File:D:\Jenkins\Ramen_PTB\Engine\Source\Runtime\Windows\D3D11RHI\Private\D3D11Util.cpp] [Line: 213]
CreateBuffer failed with error E_INVALIDARG
at D:\Jenkins\Ramen_PTB\Engine\Source\Runtime\Windows\D3D11RHI\Private\D3D11Buffer.cpp:135

DeadByDaylight_Win64_Shipping {0x0000000000000000} + 53437624 bytes
DeadByDaylight_Win64_Shipping {0x0000000000000000} + 53344277 bytes
DeadByDaylight_Win64_Shipping {0x0000000000000000} + 53382339 bytes
DeadByDaylight_Win64_Shipping {0x0000000000000000} + 59607917 bytes
DeadByDaylight_Win64_Shipping {0x0000000000000000} + 59494071 bytes
DeadByDaylight_Win64_Shipping {0x0000000000000000} + 59494693 bytes
DeadByDaylight_Win64_Shipping {0x0000000000000000} + 59608340 bytes
DeadByDaylight_Win64_Shipping {0x0000000000000000} + 59549168 bytes
DeadByDaylight_Win64_Shipping {0x0000000000000000} + 59757235 bytes
DeadByDaylight_Win64_Shipping {0x0000000000000000} + 55793953 bytes
DeadByDaylight_Win64_Shipping {0x0000000000000000} + 21558587 bytes
DeadByDaylight_Win64_Shipping {0x0000000000000000} + 21606513 bytes
DeadByDaylight_Win64_Shipping {0x0000000000000000} + 21583201 bytes
DeadByDaylight_Win64_Shipping {0x0000000000000000} + 55894657 bytes
DeadByDaylight_Win64_Shipping {0x0000000000000000} + 55894903 bytes
DeadByDaylight_Win64_Shipping {0x0000000000000000} + 23693847 bytes
DeadByDaylight_Win64_Shipping {0x0000000000000000} + 23693241 bytes
kernel32 {0x0000000000000000} + 190679 bytes
ntdll {0x0000000000000000} + 574460 bytes

my error log looks like that

[cerulean sage]

Just tried out blight Ngl pretty fun

[zenith parcel]

yeah blight feels fine with the nerfs, not that im surprised though

i dont think anybody thought blight was gonna somehow drop to C tier or some shit, he'll still be a very comfortable A tier

but hes def much healthier now

[languid light]

Unknown feels good, blight feels good, how does Wesker feel

Or bubba

[zenith parcel]

wesker felt fantastic in all my matches

the egg becoming partially base kit + them buffing the addon for faster movement between bounds really helps with setting him up just in case your first bound doesnt go as far as youd like

and a half a second faster recovery on either of his bound tokens is def noticeable in the heat of the moment, really like where he is rn

[plain dove]

yeah same exact thing here. tf is going on with this game lol

and trying to get a question answered around here is like pulling teeth

thank you for being a breath of fresh air

[warped copper]

i was worried i was the only one lol

i hope it gets fixed though!

[heavy crow]

its my first ptb, so dont mind my noob-ish question. are the ptb killer queue times usually longer because everyone is trying to queue for killer?

[plain dove]

typically yeah, playing killer on a ptb will be a significantly longer wait time

[heavy crow]

thats what i figured but wanted to confirm! thanks :)

[placid crest]

is there a ptb currently?

and if so i kinda forgot how to install it 😓

i got it srry

[plain dove]

have you been able to load in?

[placid crest]

Didn’t have the chance to the updates abt 3 hours Js waiting on it now

My wifis quite bad

[plain dove]

no worries, let me know if it works on your end if possible

it keeps crashing for me

[sterile cloud]

i havent played the ptb hows dimishing returns looking

[random kiln]

how do the demogorgon changes feel?

[void pasture]

Does anyone else have an issue with half the roster not being unlocked???

I’m rebooting the game to see if that fixes it

[heavy crow]

had you previously unlocked them?

[void pasture]

I have every character in live servers yes

and I’ve had them all for multiple ptb’s

couldn’t even test stuff day one of the ptb because perks weren’t unlocked either

Every character just had their personal perks but nothing else. That issue is fixed now it seems, but now I’ve got this issue.

[zenith parcel]

ive also had this issue

like 80% of my unlocked killers were not there, including myers so that one particularly sucks

plus all my cosmetics, no birkin, no naughty bear

and the PTB doesnt give anywhere near enough cells to buy it all back lmfao

[cinder tinsel]

Whats there to discuss the balance changes were underwhelming

[zenith parcel]

not for wesker, demo and springtrap

those are very welcome changes and wesker and demo specifically got proper good changes

[flint dagger]

When does the ptb stuff come to live servers

[sterile cloud]

around april 14th i believe

[sterile cloud]

how could u think that with the nerf to blight and especially diminishing returns

[cinder tinsel]

That’s about it though. The diminishing returns might be a bit harsh but idk.

[sterile cloud]

i mean for dbd balancing these are big changes, what were u expecting?

[cinder tinsel]

Well the doctor to maybe get more than a 0.05s buff 😭

[autumn mirage]

Blight skill floor was raised but doesnt change his strengh when used by good Blights, diminishing returns helps with healing meta but it still doesnt affect non stackable OP shit like stakeout + hyperfocus, the buff to killers are only important for Unknown, Demo and Wesker but the rest are nothing burger changes, only changed 1 single perk (im glad Fast track got nerf but all they did was halve the %, its such a lazy change they could have turn it back before the rework or just rework perk again), the survivors being able to see the killer when match starts suck, etc

[sterile cloud]

thats fair the other killers did get shafted hard

[cinder tinsel]

Exactly lol I was hoping for a little more but that said I’m happy with the blight nerfs it’s a start. As per diminishing returns they shouldn’t make the second highest factor a 0.5x that’s pretty harsh.

[autumn mirage]

proper meaningful buffs to killers that are so weak, blight bigger nerfs while also nerfing survivor perks on same patch since the idea of nerfing S tier killers is for survivors to get nerfed equally and any new content or perk rework

[autumn mirage]

i mean i do agree with being 0.5% if not you could as usual stack well make it and bottany knowladge + ressurgance for insta resets on hook

or any 2 big healing perks in general

just 2 perks stacking their big % can shit a lot of the balance, only sad thing is that vault and haste builds are gone

[cinder tinsel]

Sure but it’s just gonna ruin a lot of combos some not even being that crazy without the DR’s. Instead they should nerf the two examples you just gave.

[autumn mirage]

I think perks should be adressed individually but lets be fr, bhvr will never do a good job at all

so i prefer DR rather than having to deal with years of combos like stakeout + hyperfocus

[cinder tinsel]

Yeah pretty much. I’ll be missing my favourite combo being botany and empathic.

[autumn mirage]

healing meta did so much damage ngl

[cinder tinsel]

I think medkits and maybe botany are the problem. But I don’t see no darn healing meta. Otherwise I’d be seeing more than just botany every match and I don’t even see botany too often.

[sterile cloud]

tbf itd be almost impossible to do that with how many perks are in the game

[sterile cloud]

same i dont see healing metas its mainly gen rush metas all dimishing returns did was nerf meme builds really

[cinder tinsel]

For me it’s pre run simulator or the Ace classic (dh, ds, resilience, etc…)

[sterile cloud]

blights nerf was raising the skill floor now requiring you to actually need his power ofc good blights will be unaffected bc they already know how to use his power but before people werent forced to leading to unfair gameplay sometimes

[sterile cloud]

i dont have a problem with dh tbf i can usually fake it out but i have above average mmr so idk if that equates to that

[cinder tinsel]

Sure but there are occasions where it cannot be avoided and it’s absolutely brain dead (ex: using it against a guard to completely bypass going down)

[sterile cloud]

or the classic window where you have to hit so they dont vault the window but they end up using dh but if u didnt hit bc they had dh then they wouldve just made the vault anyways and nothing changes

[cinder tinsel]

Yeah it’s a long list… short answer I want it to be the dash again.

But that’s my take

[sterile cloud]

dash caused too many glitches tbf but i think it would be more fun if they kept the dash but removed the endurance

[cinder tinsel]

Yeah that’s what I want. Anyhow that’s all the energy I have for discord today I’m gonna go sleep now 😂 adios amigo.

[sterile cloud]

alright goodnight man

[tacit salmon]

Bruh we only have 5 days to convince behavior to buff these killers more when there are no queues, half the changes are nothing burgers and on the first day people couldn’t even equip perks?

And on top of that the 2v8 pallet density hasn’t been changed.

[void pasture]

Unfortunately they’ll never address things individually when they can make blanket changes.

[tacit salmon]

Unless it’s Kaneki I can very commonly just hold W and drop every pallet without even windows or 5 steps ahead

And I’m not even a brain dead survivor

[void pasture]

Same issue I had with the pallet density changes, it never really seemed like they bothered to touch each map up individually but rather just took pallets out of some maps and added some into some maps without really caring whether they were good, bad, busted etc.

[tacit salmon]

I’m so upset about it because Mikaela cosmetics came out that I want and I want to main Dredge but these lack of changes push me away from buying anything

[void pasture]

Some maps to this day are still problematic in terms of the amount of pallets in it, like pale rose I think it is (one with big boat and little boat). Legit every tile connects in some way, there’s pallets everywhere, a lot of the loops are long and tall walls so if you’re playing a ranged killer you’re just screwed

[tacit salmon]

Or lackluster ones in Dredge’s case. He needs to move faster than survivors while holding his power. He’s not Wesker or Nurse or a projectile killer he’s a mind game and chase killer

Buff his hold power movement speed to 4.2m/s, not 4 where he’s just as fast as survivors. I can camp the opposite side of a loop. I can find a god loop.

[void pasture]

I don’t really think he needs that

[tacit salmon]

And with how many ridiculous set ups spawn it’s not hard

[tacit salmon]

He does

[sterile cloud]

oh was 2v8 in the ptb?

[tacit salmon]

No, pallet density has applied to 1v4 since the last 2v8

[sterile cloud]

oh okay

[void pasture]

Idk I think the 4 ms is fine. On paper at least, haven’t really gotten a chance to try the ptb because the devs are useless at making a functioning product.

First the ptb launches and all characters only have their personal perks, that gets fixed but now half my survivor roster and half my killer roster aren’t unlocked despite me having every character in the game on live and in the last three or four ptb’s

I switched back to live because idk how I’m supposed to test things when half of the perks are behind characters who are now locked for no reason.

[tacit salmon]

As a Dredge main and someone who watches Dredge players and has a nearly 100% winrate against him, I completely believe he will not go anywhere up with these changes.

Dredge will wait for haste, survivor will camp pallets/vaults

[void pasture]

I never said he would

I just said I don’t think it’s necessary.

[tacit salmon]

Agree to disagree

I’m gonna keep hounding this chat for 4.2m/s or even 4.1

[quaint dove]

Why is NOED so frowmed upon?

[limber tiger]

Best I can do is 4.0

[void pasture]

entitled survivors

[sterile cloud]

its a crutch perk it rewards you for playing bad

[void pasture]

only time I think it’s genuinely an issue is when the totem is next to the hooked survivor making it uncounterable, I’ve had ideas of ways to avoid that without it losing its value but they’d never do it lmao

[void pasture]

cough ds cough

[sterile cloud]

thats just an anti tunnel perk

[void pasture]

It’s a crutch perk

[quaint dove]

They get even more salty when i combine it with Blood Warden

[void pasture]

The two are not mutually exclusive terms

[sterile cloud]

for when u get tunneled yeah

[quaint dove]

And Dracula's addon Alucard's shield...

[void pasture]

For when you don’t know how to properly counter tunneling without perks yeah

it’s anti tunnel and it’s a crutch perk

both of those can be true at the same time

[quaint dove]

NOED + BW + Alucard's shield

[void pasture]

doesn’t have to be one or the other lol

[sterile cloud]

there is legit no way to solo counter the killer from immediately tunneling you off hook

[void pasture]

Be a good looper

[sterile cloud]

youre counter is “be good”

[void pasture]

look around while on hook. Identify where you’re gonna wanna run to after unhooked and make a plan for if you get tunneled off hook. You have base kit endurance and haste, use it to reach something you can work with.

[sterile cloud]

yeah and the killer will just follow you there aswell because hes tunneling

[void pasture]

So outplay them

[fallen ginkgo]

Springtrap is cool

[flint dagger]

It’s really not a crutch perk it’s not that big of a deal just go find the totem

[void pasture]

The biggest counter to tunneling is to be a good looper. If you’re better at looping than the killer, they waste more time chasing you and that’s time your team can do gens. Sure you may not end up surviving forever or even getting away from the tunnel, but you can buy your team time to get gens done so maybe it only ends in a 1k and a 3 out.

[void pasture]

Only time that’s a problem is when the totems near the hooked survivor. Thats why I had the idea for the hex to move to the farthest totem if you hook a survivor next to it. You’d still get value, but survivors would still be able to counter it.

Would just remove the situation where it’s fully uncounterable and gaurentees a kill based on pure luck that the totem was next to a hook a survivor ended up on.

What’s everyone think of the nurse add on changes? Is the heavy panting nerf gonna make that huge of a difference?

going from 30% increased lunge to 10% sounds like a lot but I haven’t tested it in game yet

[sterile cloud]

do you know what a counter is, a counter is designed to try and stop something from happening, if a killer knows you have ds theyre not going to tunnel you it would be stupid. “being good” you saying “the best counter is to be a good looper” is like telling someone playing call of duty to just aim better like no shit sherlock.

[sterile cloud]

its nurse an add on isnt going to change anything significant about her

[quaint dove]

Survivor: gets unhooked. Right after said survivor runs in my face. Endgame chat: Y ARE U TUNNELING MUH!?

[sterile cloud]

real

[void pasture]

To counter something means to act in opposition of it. You counter tunneling by being a good looper. Perks that are designed to be used as things to fall back on if your skills aren’t enough are crutch perks.

[void pasture]

Thank you for the extremely insightful input, 11/10 I’ll be coming to you whenever I want opinions about ptb changes.

[sterile cloud]

u can slug if they have ds anyways

[void pasture]

Right, but that’s not my point.

My point has never been whether or not you can counter ds, or whether ds is op or unfair, my point is simply its a crutch perk.

[sterile cloud]

by yr definition then over half of the perks in the game are crutch perks

killer and survivor

[void pasture]

If they’re being used to offset a lack of skill, yes.

If you’re relying on a perk to win the game/chases for you, then you’re using it as a crutch.

[sterile cloud]

by ur definition then 99% of perks in the game are crutch perks then

[heavy crow]

i agree but i will say people have learned you dont have to be good at looping with perks to help. (also just realized your pfp is kip!)

[sterile cloud]

if u dont load into the game with 0 perks then u won bc of crutches

bamboozle on bubba? yep crutch perk. fixated? crutch perk. deliverance? crutch perk. dying light? crutch perk. finesse? crutch perk.

[signal veldt]

okay so just genuine question then (not looking for a fight here), would you say the game would be better without perks to make it more "skill based" or would you still keep the perks in the game?

[sterile cloud]

games better with perks makes the skill gap less big, makes gameplay more fun overall. what ur replying to i don’t actually think it was sarcasm i was showing how dumb an argument was that another guy was making his excuse was basically if a perk improves how good you play then its a crutch perk but thats dumb

[signal veldt]

huh.

[sterile cloud]

i don’t actually think if u dont load into the game without perks then u won bc of crutches

[signal veldt]

thats fair. ive certainly have played my fair share of games both with and without perks and the skill gap can get quite awful. theres just some matches where theres little to zero chance of getting more than one generator done even if you let someone die on hook and others where the killer is only ever in one chase for 5 gens

[void pasture]

Then 99% of perks are crutch perks I don’t know what to tell you lmao

Crutch ≠ bad/unfair either. Just means you’re using it to offset your lack of skill in a certain aspect or bridge the gap between your skill level and the other sides skill level without actually being better.

[sterile cloud]

so ur loading into every game without perks equipped

[void pasture]

Not once did I ever say anything that would give you this idea.

[sterile cloud]

why would u want to run crutch perks and not improve then

[sterile cloud]

yeah but theyre not

[muted spindle]

Heated ptb talk like usual

So much info abt ptb rn

[void pasture]

Using crutch perks doesn’t always mean you can’t ever improve. If you’re fully relying on them, then yea you’re probably not gonna get better. If you’re using them as a backup but still actually trying, then you can improve.

It’s the difference between running ds because you know you’re bad at chase, get tunneled a lot, and you’re just not bothering to improve and just using ds to get away vs running ds because you know you’re mediocre at looping, wish to improve, and actually trying to loop before going down and using it.

If we want a killer example, someone running noed and not bothering to try and get hooks or kills before endgame and only getting kills with noed is fully relying on noed. Someone who actually made an effort, tried to mindgame, got a few hooks but no kills by endgame and then uses noed to get a kill didn’t rely fully on noed. They actually tried to get hooks throughout the match, got a few but not enough for a kill, and then used noed at the very end to secure one final down for a kill.

[void pasture]

I wouldn’t call it heated. We’re both chill so as far as I’m concerned it’s just a civil debate

[muted spindle]

I was being sarcastic

[void pasture]

hard to tell

[muted spindle]

Mb

[frosty topaz]

ds is one of those perks that all levels of skill can find some use out of it

same with exhaustion perks

[sharp musk]

Does diminishing returns affect gen regression perks

[void pasture]

i hope not

[sterile cloud]

no

[granite oriole]

Tf is crutch perk

[granite oriole]

You can't stack gen regression perks at the same time...
It's virtually impossible
Well, expect maybe thanatophobia, dying light and penti

[zenith parcel]

gen slowdown perks you can stack yeah, gen regression perks i dont think so since they dont really have overlapping conditions

like you cant "stack" call of brine and oppression

even if both come from a gen kick itd just call of brine the kicked gen and regress the other 4 random gens

[limpid crag]

I'd say Call of Brine + Eruption is a stack

[zenith parcel]

eruption deals damage to gens upon the survivors being downed if youve kicked the gen, yeah call of brine will apply to whatever gen you kicked last but it cant really "stack"

eruption doesnt do anything to make the gen regress faster either, it just says "they start regressing"

so youd just kick the gen, call of brine it, down somebody, and the gen loses an extra 10% progress, but that has no effect on call of brines faster regression over time

either way its something diminishing returns wouldnt have anything to do with, its two separate effects on a gen

theyre synergetic, but not "stacking"

[fresh river]

Has anyone found out whether double speed or crow + notes makes up distance better after breaking a pallet as blight?

[odd vortex]

All perks are crutch perks. But theres nothing you can do to make the otherside not bring them, so you bring your own

[ripe bison]

Saw this on the sub lol

[odd vortex]

The notion that clown is weak is very silly

He's at worst middle of the pack

[ripe bison]

Arinad is openly beginning to quit playing clown outright in favor of artist

One of the best clowns

And the clown guide guy

[odd vortex]

Yeah, he's the 200 page guy

[vivid sentinel]

i really think they're going to buff perks in the future with DR being a thing

[light bridge]

Windows of opportunity is a crutch perk

[sterile cloud]

it was a sarcastic message

[random kiln]

how good is demogorgon after the changes

[primal whale]

Do y'all know if the new engine improves performance

[quick isle]

what is PTB

[teal haven]

player test build

[quick isle]

ooo

[wanton coral]

is anyone on the ptb right now? ive been sitting in survivor queue for like 10 mintues and i havent loaded into a match yet

[ripe bison]

Lmao

[plain dove]

is anyone elses ptb crashing on them after the initial splash screen

cant even get into the menus

[wooden skiff]

how is blight? is he still very good?

[fresh river]

Yeah the nerfs are pretty inconsequential theres like no loops where you should be walking down anyway, and double speed or crow + notes disregard the pallet breaking nerf

[zenith parcel]

would be great, id love faster vault speed/action perks

one of the first things i was hopeful for with the diminishing returns update was making perks individually strong again, but it wouldnt surprise me if bhvr just never bothered to adjust perks with dr in mind

and just thought that it alone is 'good enough' lmfao

[zenith parcel]

[gentle canyon]

any reason i cant get into a single match?

[graceful mantle]

#VOLTADOTREMBALA

#salvemotrembala

[merry kite]

Whats the average queue time for ptb

[heavy crow]

im waiting in a lobby to start for 10 min now

[tacit salmon]

forever

just for half the characters "buffed" to get nothing burgers and for killer to get more nerfed by diminishing returns over survivor

Dredge should move 4.2m/s while holding power btw

[real pelican]

Yh the pig is overpowered s tier 100%

...

[hazy kraken]

nea don't want to see this mori anymore

[tacit salmon]

I hope this is bait

[hidden dune]

In my opinion, Demo‘s portal traversal sound shouldnt be directional

The shred is really good and fun, really I think the only thing the killer needed was to make the stealth functional

Its not like overly good, its very counterable and gambly, but its good.

Improving the undetectable time was an improvement, but the fact remains that before the undetectable starts going down, survivors know exactly where you are

Plus your stealth only works with certain obstacles because your feet are big and loud af

[tacit salmon]

Yes, agreed.

[tacit salmon]

There's an add-on where he doesn't roar at all. Either that should be basekit or make his roar like Spirit's phase.

[odd vortex]

I think youre offering suggestions for the most non-essential part of his kit

[odd vortex]

what would make Demogorgon a million times better is if they let us have Sky Demo back

let the gorgon shred from elevation for mobility

[static galleon]

lf1 https://discordapp.com/channels/153566829380370432/1492199006783279246

[royal oxide]

heres what an arby meat mountain looks like to make your appetite go away (some mfs genuienly eat this btw) also why did wesker get the best buffs he was the one that needed them the least by far

[odd vortex]

A typical Arby's meat mountin hater would also hate Wesker buffs smh

[royal oxide]

not hating on wesker buffs but why did wesker get insane shit while ghostie got a 2s reduced cooldown

it seems kinda unfair

[odd vortex]

You're not thinking clearly, maybe you're hungry. Yknow what would hit the spot?

https://tenor.com/view/mmmm-mmmm-dave-chappelle-saturday-night-live-planning-rubbing-hands-gif-19226537

[royal oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/ken-kaneki-tokyo-ghoul-vomit-burger-food-gif-17905994

[flint dagger]

when does the update come to live servers?

[zenith parcel]

roughly 2 1/2 weeks

updates typically go live 2 weeks after the ptb ends

[late hazel]

ts looks ahh

[cold sandal]

https://tenor.com/view/twisted-metal-no-face-crazy8-gif-20800301

Reminds me of No Face from Twisted Metal Black

[cold sandal]

A Snickers obviously

[hazy kraken]

As if devs doing beta for survs looking beaten up during moris first

[red mauve]

I'll just throw this out here, I don't like the effect effiency loss, it devalues a lot of perks and forces some mid perks like "For the People" into the healing meta. Some people just want to play a certain way and don't want to run the 0815 exhaustion, vigil, information, gen/heal speed

[hazy kraken]

Damn it seems like noone wants to play on ptb with those queues

[red mauve]

true

As a 2:1 Survivor to Killer, I'd still wanna say that Fast track should just get 2 stacks per hook instead of each stack being worth 1%; The buff was overkill, but the principle of having a serious comeback from a bad situation is a good idea

[red mauve]

would love to give you a thumbs up reaction, I feel the same

[wispy light]

@vast latch chck dm

[dusky cloud]

Never had an Arby's Meat Mountain. Looks killer though.

sklort

[brazen slate]

How good is Demo rn in PTB? I wanna at least P9 him.

Like out of 10. How would rate it before and after PTB? (Ex: 5/10 -> 6/10)

[reef night]

Console nurse here, would be really nice NOT to nerf the lunge for her because us console players need a little bit of help. I'm tired of certain killers leaning towards you needing to be on PC to get the best use out of them like pyramid Head, blight, Chucky, etc. I'm tired of certain killers being almost unplayable for console users thanks

[pine trail]

oh and what abt the pc players
a bit unfair for them to lose it and for console players to have it

[reef night]

I literally never said pc players should lose it. Please re read before putting words into people's mouths

[pine trail]

you're idea is bringing back the op addon because your console
doesn't that sound bad

[reef night]

We calling a lunge addon op is crazy. That tells me all I need to know

[pine trail]

what are we deadass son 😭

[amber trellis]

Hello

[ripe bison]

It is very relevant for Nurse specifically

The lunge addon on Nurse makes it easier to land blinks without being as precise. Makes it harder for the survivors to bait out and dodge the blinks since you can lunge into them

[sleek delta]

how goes the ptb my pc playing friends?

[ripe bison]

One of the most unplayed PTBs ever

[royal oxide]

Amongst all the killers Wesker has received the most enhancements, yet Ghostface the comparatively weaker one, suffers the most debilitation.

[dire silo]

what if springtrap got haste out of chase and lose his terror radius if he dosent get revealed?

[limpid drift]

how do you join the PTB?

[twilit crater]

go to your steam library, right click on dead by daylight, go to properties, then betas, then click on the ptb

[limpid drift]

alright thanks

[tacit salmon]

Daily PTB drop in to ask for Dredge to be 4.2m/s while holding power please devs. Also do place more lockers where killer items would be for Dredge

[plain hawk]

is there just no one online on the ptb rn?

[tacit salmon]

prob not

[zealous temple]

Can u join on xbox

[plain hawk]

Nah I play on PC and I'm getting off soon

[zealous temple]

Im saying can ppl join if they use xbox I play on console more noe that I actually have one so I was wondering if i could get into beta or not as console player or if its only a pc thing srry for the confusion

[hazy kraken]

only steam... and ig in eu there's only like 9-15 players on ptb from how i'm getting same ppl over and over...

with matches going like cakewalk most of the time

[ripe bison]

PTB is only on steam

[prime cosmos]

wait is there a ptb out rn?

[lost talon]

I can't even remember the last time i saw a ghostface, I only have just over 150 hours but it's been weeks, recently all my games have been Wesker, blight, mina rather than trickster, and Michael's

I started keeping track and it's getting boring facing the same few killers over and over icl I'd like to see some others on occasion

[tidal totem]

I c a quite of few ghostfaces

[ripe bison]

Hes one of the top ten most played killers I think

Not top 5 but in the top 10

Simple to understand power and an extremely iconic character

[zealous temple]

Shit ok
Thx

[zealous temple]

He's pretty popular it seems to b as killer I assume because of stealth and mayb his perks idk never played as him

[zealous temple]

Out of all those I get ghostface the most I almost never cn a blight or wesker mayb trickster once but never mina or michael

[zealous temple]

Fair enough

[lost talon]

Lucky i genuinely cannot deal with another Blight or Michael i am going fucking insane

[zealous temple]

Yeah it got announced a while ago it's open for ppl to test rn on Steam

[zealous temple]

Dude I WISH I played against those guys

[lost talon]

Can we just swap lobbies i despise both and wanna see more ghosties

[zealous temple]

If that's possible let's go lol

[lost talon]

Real i wish

[zealous temple]

Fr fr
It might b an mmr thing I'm a new player and I'm great as survivor but as killer I'm ass for the most part

[lost talon]

I can work with the weskers cause I love him and trickster even thought trickster is so hard to loop when i'm already bad but Michael and Blight piss me off so bad

[lost talon]

I'm still relatively new I'd say but if you wanna play at some point i'd love to recently none of my friends have been online like at all

Maybe they will be more balanced then 😭

[zealous temple]

Mayb in a little sure I'll hit u up

What r ur mains

[lost talon]

Survivour it was Nancy but I swapped to Ada when i unlocked her (however do still play Nancy a lot i just switch around)

I very very rarely play killer as it gives me really bad anxiety but when I do it's trickster

[zealous temple]

Nice
I usually go for feng just cause and she was my first survivor i played as so bias there lol
I play deight sonetimes but its more feng than anything really
I usually do killer as springtrap or alien recently but like i said i am shit as killer I usually get free hit and kills or hits and kills from toxic players
It's hooks not kills even so that sucks
So satisfying to get them though

[lost talon]

That's valid

How many hours ypu on? Also we should probably do this in dms rather than the general server

[zealous temple]

It depends if its pc or console ill have to check it out again
Yeah fs

[cursive kestrel]

I kind of like the diminishing returns

[lost talon]

How do they actually work i don't understand it

[cursive kestrel]

It makes it so perks and item effects stack together less, while prioritizing the one with the most effect

[cursive kestrel]

Like as killer if you have furtive chase (gives 10% haste) And then rapid brutality (5% Haste), then it'll slightly worsen rapid brutality if furtive chase is giving a boost at the same time, so instead of 15% haste it would give something a little less but more than 10% because it prioritizes the bigger boost

[lost talon]

Huh interesting

[cursive kestrel]

It's kind of like a global nerf to any build that gets a lot of something

[next grove]

Killer mains
Whats ur opinion on the diminishing returns for gen regression
Are you gonna feel the nerf?

I play p100 vecna with no gen regression so i just wanna hear what yall think about the update

[stone tundra]

Hello, my name is Ram I’m the founder and COO of an igaming platform. I love DBD but I do not love the lack of creativity aside from the events. It’s easy to poke fun at the lack of noticeable improvements visually but let’s put that aside. I would need some kind of deal to help drive some creativity from within the company but here’s some for free; how have you not even attempted a proximity chat? It doesn’t have to be chaotic it can be just when you get picked up or for survivors only when close. How have you not thought about awarding an mvp after the round for each trial? The mvp’s can even have an aura visible to only survivors. These two small improvements would help engagement and fun in an otherwise extremely repetitive game. How have you not considered streaks for great skill checks that award more? How have you not noticed that wiggling to get loose from the killer is incredibly imbalanced and far too favorable to the killer? Anyways.. I’d love to talk to someone that can get through to these guys.

[ripe bison]

it doesnt effect the killers I play

[next grove]

U literally joined the server today lol.

[waxen current]

Let’s make the game even more survivor sided because killers can actually get to hooks let’s make that not happen let survivors wiggle in 3 seconds!

Also what would be hyper focus if the great skill check rewards were added dude

We don’t need basekit hypefocus 😭

Also if there was a proximity chat you’d get called slurs mid match cuz you made 1 mistake

How would restrictions be applied

This guy is not real with his suggestions vro 😭

[brazen basalt]

I can't wait to be cursed out in spanish when I miss my pallet save, proximity chat will be amazing

[waxen current]

Exactly

[granite oriole]

what is this AI bulshit

[waxen current]

Best gen regression combo is gonna become dms with pain res and maybe ruin but I don’t see that as really an issue since there are gen regression perks that prevent you from doing the gen in different ways same goes for gen rushing you have different ways to speed run a gen hyper focus stake out blast mine and a perk like proved thyself or deja vu are going to become the gen rush / gen regression builds that will be meta I don’t see them affecting the game that much you’ll just have to get more creative with perk selection

[zenith parcel]

specifically, itd give you 12.5% haste

10% + (50% of 5 = 2.5) = 12.5

[ripe bison]

Looks more like a copypasta to me

[sweet quartz]

I honestly feel like it's a stupid feature in general, gen rush/gen regress builds are still gonna thrive, and so on

It mainly only hinders like, what? Healing builds?

[ripe bison]

The idea behind it is thst they can rework and mega buff perks that need it as they dont have to worry about how theyf combo with other perks ad much

Goes for killer perks too like thanaphobia

Make perks individually worth running

[zenith parcel]

its a healthy change conceptually it just needs tuning on the individual perks to make it a more balanced update

[lyric sand]

is this only for the gen kick perks right? Idk if this is affect by that but for gen regresh I only use pain res and surge it seems kinda fine to me since it’s going to affect both sides

[zenith parcel]

it affects haste stacking, action stacking, those kinds of things

[lyric sand]

Does this affect skill check builds?

[zenith parcel]

like bamboozle and dark arrogance used to be 40% faster vault speed if you ran both

now its 32.5% (25% + (15 x 0.5) = 32.5%)

basically any effect that has a percentile effect on specific things

repair speed, haste, hinder, healing speed, action speed, etc etc

so tl;dr no it most likely has no effect on skill check builds

[lyric sand]

I thought this ptb was supposed to nerf genrush/gen refresh builds to make the game more down to earth

[zenith parcel]

do note that "repair speed" is in the message i just sent

[lyric sand]

Mb

[zenith parcel]

the update does nerf genrush builds, but it also just nerfs minmax builds in general to incentivize greater perk diversity

its def a step in the right direction but work needs to be done on the actual perks before the status quo changes

[lyric sand]

Alr

[sly locust]

it's gonna cause a lot of different builds to become strong, instead of a killer or surv focusing on one status affect or speed or whatever, it's gonna cause a wide spread of everyone being good at everything, killers are gonna have leverage or coul, surge, imo I'd like to see more nothing but misery and rapid brutality, so much is going to happen at once that games will be heavily changed

[heavy crow]

is no one playing the ptb what is happening??? i have queued for like 30 minutes and cant find 4 players

[odd bison]

how does diminishing returns work with singularity and rapid brutality

[granite oriole]

You want to run prove and deja and someone would use quick gambit? Oopsie, now it's full garbage unless you run 0 gen perks because it'll give only 1% of gen speed when you didn't even want to stack. Even if you don't have gen perks and somebody has prove quick gambit will give you 2.5%

[tacit salmon]

Daily request to make Dredge’s power holding movement speed be 4.2 m/s instead of 4 m/s

[restive fulcrum]

havent played the ptb, is haste stacking on weak killers just dead from now on?

[rich bridge]

Wait is there any changes to the twins in the PTB

[delicate cliff]

another day, another patch with the attempt to increase build variety with logic that supports exactly the opposite. prepare for even more hardcore meta perks and less variety.

What diminishing returns will do is only give consistent and definitive reason to call a perk trash

[brazen basalt]

^

[zenith parcel]

never said it was perfect, and i also literally said that individual perks do need to be changed to accommodate it, i only said its good on a conceptual level right now with its implementation needing a lot of finer tuning

which is exactly what the ptb is for

plus at least with the system they have now it would be pretty easy for them to simply tweak the numbers on how diminished the returns are for each stack of a specific effect

[zenith parcel]

also true if pyramid heads big ahh head can move at 4.2 while dragging a giant ass sword through solid ground then dredge can do it while holding his hand up

[sharp ivy]

Meow

[cinder tinsel]

Yeah ngl the robo-huntress changes are cool but he’s still not really thematically accurate whatsoever

[autumn mirage]

The changes are trash because the only way they are good for the game is if the devs now start actually paying attention to old content, making good tweaks, reworks and more but they have NEVER done that good with very few exceptions, so is a huge "what if" but the what if is expecting the devs to make changes and rework in ways they have never succed to do

its the potential update but devs has given us 0 chances to think they will ever reach that potential

so is just a short term bad change and an almost impossible long term good change

[zenith parcel]

alas this is true, like i said its something that is conceptually good and has potential, but its very unlikely the change will reach this potential given dbd's balance has always been pretty seesaw-y ever since it came out

[ripe bison]

The point is to nerf perk stacking so they can rebalance perks in the future to stand individually on their own

also this effects healing builds far more than generator regression or repair

[brazen basalt]

how big of an issue is perk stacking though? It can be very strong on niche builds that don't always work, sure, but looking at the most used perks none of them stack the same stat

[ripe bison]

Healing stacking is like, one of the biggest issues for killer rn lol

Also its the reason that some perks have historically been nerfed into the ground

[brazen basalt]

right but isn't heal stacking already capped?

[ripe bison]

like Thana

[ripe bison]

No. Not that I'm aware of.

Either way the point of it is more to allow them to buff perks individually so they can be impactful by themselves.

[brazen basalt]

idk I think that if there's an OP perk combo then those perks should be addressed, not every perk in the game. This change is gonna lead to tons of existing combos not working anymore, and we have to hope that BHVR will fix them in the future. Which, based on the past 6 years I've played, I don't have high hopes that is something they have at the top of their priority list

[ripe bison]

They said that the plan is to rework stuff and have more options in terms of design as I recall.

I assume it is a priority but youre right they don't exactly have a good track record

[brazen basalt]

I'm also skeptical that when they do rebalance perks it won't just make them worse

They love to nerf a perk into the ground and then never go back and fix it

I'm still mad at Spine Chill 🙁

[ripe bison]

Bring back old knockout pls I need it for my killer specifically

[lyric sand]

I don’t think this effects stake out and hyperfocus though

[ripe bison]

Stake Out itself is a massive problem on its own

[lyric sand]

Oh

[ripe bison]

Hyperfocus is stupid as hell but it requires the player to be able to reliably hit great skill checks over and over again

Stake Out removes the skill required to do that entirely

Youre right though, generally speaking generator builds arent hurt at all by this

Hits healing hard at least

[lyric sand]

I feel like they should include skill check builds in the diminishing returns ptb

So everything’s somewhat more equal

[ripe bison]

The issue is stakeout and hyperfocus though

Not the mechanic itself

[lyric sand]

Oh

[ripe bison]

do you know what hyperfocus does?

[lyric sand]

I don’t

[ripe bison]

Toolboxes innately add more skill checks as well

[proven cradle]

Ok genuinely I didn't realize it gave you more progress per token
You're getting 180% more progress per skill check at max token???

[ripe bison]

Stakeout gives you tokens for being inside the killer's terror radius. You can expend tokens when preforming skill checks on generators to turn those skill checks into great skill checks

[ripe bison]

yeah

[proven cradle]

Is the perk balanced, and it's just a problem due to Stakeout or is the perk just very badly designed

[ripe bison]

Its balanced around the expectation that survivors are going to struggle to land the skill checks and fuck up if the killer gets close. I'd say its just terribly designed

Stake Out removes the need to worry about landing those great skill checks at all though

removing any form of balance the perk could have had

[plain hawk]

i think they could just make it so when you do use stakeout, the changed skill checks either don't trigger those perks, or do so at like half efficiency or something. i mean, that'd remove like the entire reason people run the perk, but it'll make those skill check perks back to actually needing skill or whatnot

[lunar musk]

Behavior likes to remove skill expression so dont count on it

[plain hawk]

i think they should add more survivor perks that interact with the entity. no real reason, just think it'd be kinda cool. like maybe a survivor that was once a killer? idk

[ripe bison]

Alex as a survivor would be pretty cool

Theyre absolutely not going to do it though

[surreal moat]

This isn’t apart of the ptb it’s currently in the game at the moment
Wesker when clipping trees on some maps when a player is vaulting over a pallet it doesn’t allow him to swing or move to the pallet instead it rubber bands him I’m assuming this is because of the recent changes with him not being allowed to slide off of higher structures.
Blight and the Lich so far both have bugs when you use their momentum abilities your mouse sensitivity becomes slower after colliding with objects for some reason or being stunned.
Also the bug is back with the mouse moving when your character is moving in the game and you use your mouse to check direction like left or right if you press tab the mouse is moving aswell in the tab section although not being tabbed in

The tab bit i should explain better essentially when you move your mouse it’s moving the actual mouse cursor that shows up when you open the tab menu in game if you move it In game your mouse the cursor follows that instead of being centered when you press tab like normal

[tacit salmon]

Daily ask to make Dredge 4.2 m/s when holding power over 4.0 m/s so he can continue gaining on survivors and help prevent prerunning and pallet/vault looping

[rugged drift]

ahhh what kinda garbage did i readdd u want him to be able to force 50s 24/7

[tacit salmon]

No, I can literally camp pallets and vaults because he moves at survivor speed and just react easily.

[rugged drift]

<@&480465015267262484> i feel like invites should be disabled in all channels idk why it only works in #general-chat

[tacit salmon]

The suggestion is intended to make sure Dredge can gain on survivors no matter what loop he's at.

[dusty edge]

✅➡️ [NO DM] Banned jfloxks with reason sccams
(1 ban(s) on record | 8 total logs)

[tacit salmon]

But forcing 50/50s more often is better than what Kaneki and Nurse can do

Which is guarantee getting hits

[rugged drift]

idk i mean i guess its fair if we are gonna have S tier killers but they should just buff a lot of the killers tbf

the problem is majority of the game isnt 4 stacks that can play against killers like that, it would ruin the average survivor experience

also we are talking in the wrong channel

[toxic dirge]

Discord has very "one-size-fits-all" tools built in, so you can't disable invites in certain channels, it's either all on or all off. Unfortunately this means LFG users won't be able to post invites to their VCs (yes, vc invites are treated the same as server invites)

[rugged drift]

Ok well what im tryna say is /discord/channels shows up in vcs and discord invites have a different vanity u could filter for, tried to send it and it censored so yeah

u just need a bot that filters for language which u could easily add to elemental bot

[rugged drift]

@toxic dirge u should ask whoever does the bot development about this because im 99% sure it would fix these scam bots, its constantly causing u guys to get pinged and have to delete it, and it's not going to stop

if you'd like i can dm u an exact example of what u would filter for if that helps since it filters here just lmk

[toxic dirge]

If you would like to leave a modmail with a suggestion, please feel free! That way more eyes can get on it

[tacit salmon]

this is a suggested change based on the PTB

[rugged drift]

done

boutta save yall the hassle of dealing with that shit everyday 😭

[modern compass]

How to get in ptb?

İn betas there is none

Do i need a code?

[floral plank]

Didn't the ptb end already

[hard torrent]

REMOVE THOSE UGLY ARROWS PLS IM GONNA VOMIT

[ripe bison]

If you select properties for DBD in your steam library theres an tab called game versions and betas. If a PTB is up there will be an option to switch to it there.

[sterile cloud]

they arent even bad

[red mauve]

With the "the more you use it, the more you lose it" kind of system that's currently planned, you're just implementing an artificial meta for Absolutes

Any perk that doesn't get nerfed just by playing the game a certain way will be meta now

It certainly won't do anything to dethrone the most picked perks from high usage, just from being used by enthusiasts who like to play the game in less viable ways

Playing 4 Healing perks "counters" legion in the same way that plague "counters" Dramaturgy... Once you notice the other side plays a certain way, it's up to you to play around it, the game's pretty well balanced at this point, unless for 4man teams or very lucky 3man teams

Even more DS, more DH, more UB, just every second chance perk for survivor will be in every game

considering most survivors play solo, it's just the only option for survivors unless they want to keep loosing with the tactics they like (there's ways with For the people, but that's still a bad perk since the broken timer is so long, especially now that no one can heal you fast)

In my opinion the "In one direction" perk builds were never a problem, the "op in every direction" builds were, but those aren't adressed at all, in fact they're encouraged

Subjective summary: Make Niche builds that are strong against over-used strong perks weak, make Killers "more equal" in a way that will just make every killer forcably bring the same perks just like every survivor will have to bring the same 4 perks

Nuances, nuances, dm me if you're enraged enough

[brittle swift]

Doom posting, you dont get the larger picture

This sets the groundwork for perks to be balanced individually instead of against all 300 other perks. Which tbh was gonna happen eventually it was only a matter of when

And instead of nerfing this current meta hopefully they can encourage new gameplay from buffing some perks with these changes

At the end of the day nerfing isnt good practice to do constantly, it just makes shit feel terrible and clunky. Buffing to bring the below average up to code is and should be the standard always

[zenith parcel]

pretty much my thoughts on it

[brazen basalt]

It's not doom posting, it's being critical of the change. I understand the idea of reworking perks in the future, but the fact is perk stacking isn't the meta, nor is it overtly overpowered, so nerfing it makes no sense from a balancing direction

[steep holly]

What ptb stands for i never really payed attention to abbreviations

[modern compass]

Ye but it doesn't appear, only the current version does

[zenith parcel]

then the ptb is over

[brittle swift]

This guy did not read the rest of what i said

Perk stacking is not an issue in how it performs meta wise but in how it prevents perks from seeing the spotlight

[brazen basalt]

I did read what you put, I just disagree with what you're saying. Perks will always be measured against both the meta, and how much effort is needed to gain a certain value. I don't think this change will positively affect how perks are balanced, and will only punish people from specializing certain builds. This doesn't help balance the meta from the same perks that have been used for years, and it's not incentivizing new perks to be used, and even if you think that it will down the road, it's just as hard/easy to buff/nerf perks in the current system as it would be with the proposed one

[halcyon geode]

undo the kaneki nerfs hes unplayeable now

[molten zephyr]

Playable Test Build

[molten zephyr]

🤨

[brittle swift]

It doesnt even deincentivise use of fun builds tho. The difference in speeds between the actions included in this patch before and after is mostly under a tenth of a second, and comes with the bonus of paving the road for neglected perks to make a comeback and improve perk design in future chapters

[halcyon geode]

Hes terrible

[molten zephyr]

Like give me a Tier

how bad do you think kaneki is lol

[halcyon geode]

B tier max

after the dozens of nerfs every action you do you eat a 3 second stun

enraged mode straight up sucks

[molten zephyr]

LOL

[halcyon geode]

correct me god of dead by daylight

waiting for the arguments

[molten zephyr]

I don’t how to explain to someone who can’t play a killer well

[halcyon geode]

95% win rate w springtrap btw

[molten zephyr]

but I can assure you he is better than B-tier; Maybe not the best lol but he still has some of the best mobility, free hit, free vaults

[halcyon geode]

the 5% is a p100 bully squad

[halcyon geode]

free vaults 😭 sonnn

[molten zephyr]

so im talking to the best spring trap killer who cant play a killer easier and better than spring trap

[halcyon geode]

or maybe accept hes not good anymore.

they ruined him the endlag makes him unplayable

still open to see some very pro cool gameplay from you tho if hes SO good

[molten zephyr]

what’s endlag?

[halcyon geode]

the stuns you get after doing an action

[molten zephyr]

What endlag did they add to him?

[halcyon geode]

cancelling the use of kagune stuns you for like 2 seconds, "free vaulting" stuns you for 2-3 seconds, the enraged hit requirement stuns you for like 4 seconds which simply gives the survivor the ability to escape chase, i could go on

[molten zephyr]

yeah but he still has the best chase despite all of that and the vault is not that long lmao, it’s literally less than 1.5 seconds if you vault enraged

[halcyon geode]

yeah u get a free injured from the second kagune hit and thats ALL for this moveset

[halcyon geode]

no anti loop at ALL btw

[molten zephyr]

the enraged vault is all he needs lol

[halcyon geode]

"its 1.5 seconds" yeah.. which is nothing different than the average vault

[molten zephyr]

but thats not the smartest way to play; cutting people off is way better

[molten zephyr]

can you even read

[halcyon geode]

maybe im not playing him good but i doubt that would change the entire gameplay lmfao 😭

doesnt do diddle squat different than a normal vault

[molten zephyr]

so you admit you’re not playing him good and complain that the killer is bad lol; And it most definitly does it’s literally 33% faster than the default vault and gets me free downs way too often

AND he applies Hindered

[halcyon geode]

im not playing him really good and im not basing my argument just on that lmao

[molten zephyr]

oh ok gotcha

[halcyon geode]

33% faster AND you get stunned which quite literally does no diff as if the average killer vaulted and kept on chasing the survivor

why play kaneki when you could play springtrap ✌️ kaneki is NOT A tier

[molten zephyr]

There is no stun after vaulting? You just immediately get to start moving

[halcyon geode]

no?? youre slowed af which gives the survivor a lot of time to keep on running are we playing the same killer son

the vault anim is nun different than ur average killer vault anim and u get the same slow

and as i said a "special vault" is NOT saving this trash ass killers kit

[molten zephyr]

Yeah we are which is why i’m having a hard time— Kaneki is one of the easiest killers in the game and is my “turn off my brain and win” character even against good squads.

It is not— you are playing incorrectly, vaulting while targeting a survivor applies a 33% speed boost to your vaulting

[halcyon geode]

free to show me a clip btw

cant wait for the brainless survivor not knowing how to press the shift key

[molten zephyr]

You haven’t showed me anything either “Pro Springtrap with 95% winrate”— There are far better people than either of us that can show you Kaneki is one of the best killers lol

[halcyon geode]

never tried to prove if springtrap was good whatsoever 😭 just changing topics

[molten zephyr]

I’m not LOL — You’re demanding a clip from me to prove a moot point because I could show you my best game ever on Kaneki and you wouldn’t believe me; Genuinely does anybody else around you believe this because I guarantee you most Youtubers, pro players or general sweats will not agree with you 😭 Kaneki is known community-wide for being one of the easiest killers in the game

Kaneki’s only caveat is you have to be somewhat good at looping so that may be where you’re lacking

i’m honestly still stuck on the fact that you don’t know how to use his enraged leap vault

[halcyon geode]

never said i didnt know how to 😭

im saying its not saving the kit at all buddy

yeah as i said the nerfs killed him, all the gameplays are just him with absolutely 0 endlag now hes just clanky and limited cuz ur so fucking slow and stunned all the time

not gonna mention how pallets are a huge hard counter to him and how clanky his grapple can be sometimes

[molten zephyr]

😬 look man idk what to tell you— he still has one of the highest kill rates in the entire game on high mmr

I don’t struggle with a single thing you mention; He can leap around loops and cut people off or just run them down in enraged via vaulting; His nerfs didn’t kill him even in the slighest considering I haven’t changed my gameplay and still succeed— I have a 120% winrate on Kaneki

[halcyon geode]

shhhooowwww cliiiippppsssss

120% winrate i shouldnt have to go watch pro gameplays should i? weirdly all the pro gameplays are 10 months ago when he was completely fine

[molten zephyr]

Go on youtubeeeeee, much better people out there that can prove my point

[molten zephyr]

i was being sarcastic LOL

[halcyon geode]

ofc you were

[molten zephyr]

yeah im not bullshitting about a 95% wr

[halcyon geode]

im not either sonnn 😭

[molten zephyr]

ok bet send ur dbd stats page

[halcyon geode]

acting like springtrap is bad

[molten zephyr]

he isn’t — not the best but certainly not as goof as kaneki

[tacit salmon]

daily request to make Dredge 4.2m/s while holding power instead of just 4

[brittle swift]

This is straight rage bait ngl. Kaneki’s chase power was butchered when the removed the autohit from pallet vaults, its deadass so easy to play against him now 😭

[molten zephyr]

Respectfully, if you think that the autohit was the best part or such an integral part that his chase power is butchered then you clearly werent playing him correctly or efficiently to begin with.

[brittle swift]

Did you read my message properly lmao

[molten zephyr]

yeah

[brittle swift]

I said the autohit from vaulting pallets when survivors are too close to you

[molten zephyr]

yeah

that was never the strongest part of his chase

so it being removed never changed much for me lol

[brittle swift]

Yeah now survivors have no risk in vaulting back. It wasnt strong, it was there to discourage survivors from vaulting back immediately

Its deadass so easy to loop him now

[molten zephyr]

You can hold S and most definitely prevent survivors from vaulting back?

Unless there's some bug or tech idk about

[brittle swift]

Nope not even that since you lose collision briefly after your vault ends (only on pallets not windows) so survivors will always be allowed to vault back risk free

Windows are still a good option to loop when playing kaneki but pallets are terrible for him now

If you can make good use of his leaps to cut survivors off in loop you’ll be able to play him effectively that way. But vaulting pallets no longer gives any edge in chase

[molten zephyr]

Weird, is it hard to do? I've had so many people attempt to vault back and I've ALWAYS held S-key and never had someone vault back into me after they removed the auto-hit after pallet vault

I still don't think I've seen that consistently enough for it to be something that can reliably degrade his kill rate or power overall

[brittle swift]

That being said using your leaps that way is easier said than done. Most braindead ghoul players arent capable of adapting to the raised skill floor of his power.

[molten zephyr]

Yeah, that's why I don't think he's gutted or much weaker. Using leaps to cut off or enraged leap vault has always been his strongest part of the kit

I think that's what the last person arguing struggled with lol

Couldn't loop with Kaneki without free autohits-- especially complaining about a supposed stun after Power Cancel when Kaneki has by far one of the shortest end power --> M1 cooldowns

[brittle swift]

Its 100% consistent every single time. I went into customs with a few buds and tested it out. Though the balance change kinda flew under the radar for the majority of the player base. Once people catch wind ghoul players will be forced to adapt or die out

[molten zephyr]

I may need to try and test this out more

[brittle swift]

Yeah its not easy to do though. Similar to wesker techs in the way that it really helps in chase but takes time to learn

[molten zephyr]

I definitely see a lot more eye-to-eye with you. Ghoul is nowhere near B-tier but he's not high tier for the advent of being the easiest most braindead killer to play anymore

[brittle swift]

While i think this is overall a positive change cause behaviour couldnt fix that auto damage state and it increases the skill floor of the killer which should give him some much needed positive PR

[brittle swift]

Yeah for the majority of his players hes gonna be horrendous to play against any survivor who knows about the change. Any semi or really competent killer wont be affected much though

[molten zephyr]

LOL... don't throw shade to my man vessel for not being competent at kaneki.

[brittle swift]

No shade intended lmao its not easy, i still dont have it down i keep accidentally vaulting the resource i attempt to cut off instead of standing infront of it

Honestly they should do that with wesker too, just make it so both these killers prevent vault backs entirely instead of a damage state

[molten zephyr]

I was just teasing lol because they were complaining about practically everything about his kit rather than just that one change. I agree though, killers should get an extended collision/priority like with pallets

picking up on a pallet*

[brittle swift]

Oh did he get other changes besides the autohit removal?

[molten zephyr]

Nah lol

[brittle swift]

??

He hasnt been touched otherwise in months

[molten zephyr]

my point exactly though, if that's all that was stopping that person from considering kaneki good then they never played him correctly to begin with

[brittle swift]

Unrelated to the current discussion but blight loses tokens down to 3 whenever he breaks a pallet. How will that interact with his iri addon that reduces his charges to 3

[molten zephyr]

it says 2 below max in game

[brittle swift]

Does he just not lose tokens

[lusty egret]

Do y'all like the springtrap changes

[molten zephyr]

So I assume he'd get 1

Yes but I wish they did more/were overall more ambitious with the changes

[brittle swift]

They did nothing to incentivize camera usage. Base kit changes are always welcome though

[lusty egret]

Make it a feature where the longer you don't watch him the faster he gets

[brittle swift]

Kyto made a similar suggestion where his undetectable is near permanent upon exiting a door and survivors need to reveal him with cameras to remove it, which would provide a healthy back and forth and more interaction on the survivors point of view

[lusty egret]

Yes but then the security badge would need to be reworked into something else maybe haste for a few seconds after exiting a door

[brittle swift]

Though there would probably need to be some additional changes as well to not make his undetectable completely useless. Like make it take longer to reveal him or you need actual LOS. And that his aura isnt revealed so as not to be a constant detriment on top of the lack of undetectable. Make it an actual debatable choice from the survivors angle similar to vecna clocks, which could also serve as passive slow down

[lusty egret]

Also make his reveal aura stay and not regress away to make his forever undetectable thing fair

[tacit salmon]

Daily ask for Dredge to be 4.2m/s while holding power

[amber stump]

when will 2v8 be available in the ptb again? 👀

[proven cradle]

Why not 4.6m/s

[tacit salmon]

I only wish for Dredge to move slightly faster than survivors so if they just shift hold w to a different loop you can still continuously gain as shift w slap pallet down is the meta.

[mild zodiac]

Yall i want dbd back on mobile

[hazy kraken]

Does anyone even plays ptb nowadays?

[granite oriole]

He will be 4.0

Instead of 3.8

[tacit salmon]

Do you think I’m stupid?

[brazen basalt]

Make it 5

[proven cradle]

In my idea, him being slower or just as fast as survivors while charging means he won't be able to pressure the survivor by pushing them closer
You just have to hope that they go near the remnant

If they see the remnant they can just shift w to the next loop and you either lose distance, or make no distance at all
I feel like if he was 4.6 while charging it'd be easier to get back up to them if they foil your plan with the remnant

I feel like the idea of remnant and how it works
Plus the counterplay towards it
Just feels highly over reliant on you placing it in a way that can't be seen by the survivor you're chasing

What exactly stops the survivors from just moving to the next close loop every single time you attempt to use your anti loop ability

[odd bison]

when does the ptb go live?

[proven cradle]

Also why does Dredge have his remnant destroyed when walked into
Why give him that