ptb-discussion

[austere urchin]

I've seen so many video game devs recall bad updates, then implement them later JUST AS BAD, despite the effect

Do not trust it will be fixed automatically, make your concerns known

[tame rapids]

my idea only has that diminishing return when you kill someone before 4 hooks ( so when you hook the same guy 3 times in a row)

not when you kill someone that just got off the hook

[gloomy mural]

literal game breaking bug with plot twist and conviction giving 50 haste for the rest of the game on ptb

[vale fulcrum]

Bhvr can't figure out how to solve hard tunneling

It's insane at this point 😭

[fleet lagoon]

game breaking bug is expected in ptb

[hollow basin]

I don't know who greenlit that PTB but the fact that it was even tested was WILD.

Still, making the survivors buffed if someone dies before 4 hooks is fine. But the "last hooked" should be gone, at least when the survivor in question performs a conspicuous action.

A killer should be able to punish someone who is actively working in their detriment (repairing gens and so)

[humble beacon]

they should keep the fog thing on the Hud and until slugging fr

[hollow basin]

The fog thing was fine...or it would have been if it didn't last so long

[humble beacon]

what about the anti slug

[fierce creek]

now that the changes are not comming yet we can actually talk about the new killer

[tame rapids]

fix some of her cooldowns and she's fine

[fierce creek]

shes very hard to counter

[tame rapids]

maybe make infections slightly less free and punish missed shots a bit more with an added cooldown

[fierce creek]

https://streamable.com/uj4lq6 extremely hard to counter

[elfin creek]

did they already change the perks to have different effects in the ptb? like bbq and chilli? i know they are changing it, idk if they did it yet

[visual sequoia]

the perks in the ptb are already different yes

[unreal junco]

did they change vigil ?

[fierce creek]

they nerfed it that it dosent stack anymore

[stray rivet]

I see the subreddit has quickly turned into myers rework complaining now the tunnel and slug changes are canceled

[spiral bone]

Honestly this plus I feel her whip should reach over pallets considering how long the intestines are in animations.

Also, what a shock to see the devs say the changes won’t go live lol

[quasi thistle]

Anti tunneling changes are needed in some way.

The core gameplay is in dire need of an updated to be sustainable.

This current updated wasn't it

[worn bluff]

but die before 6 hooks is something else

[quasi thistle]

It should be reduced to 4

All anti tunneling protections should be disabled at 3 gen or after doinga conspicous action

The benefits to unique hooks should be higher. The current ones don't mean much.

[somber knot]

pallets are her biggest counter when in Head form

thats why you play her with dissolution

[fierce creek]

fuck dissolution users

[worn bluff]

I love dissolution (and they're buffing it) dissolution end fury, enduring brutal

[fierce creek]

they are not?

[worn bluff]

I thought they are

[fierce creek]

they aren't sry bro

[worn bluff]

oh they're buffing septic oops wrong dredge perk

[vale fulcrum]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxI8B_pk-dK2WGC2Ov1G_CTPDyW9cw_Qk3?si=qhyOmhpYxuvlf-r6

killers after seeing bhvr put out the post lmao

[fierce creek]

ironic, works both ways

the insane prevalence of tunneling and slugging shows it

[vale fulcrum]

it does ye. we're all trying to win

killers tunnel survivors gen rush. they have to use all strats to win i agree

[worn bluff]

gen rushing isn't fun either and I don't see bHvr nerfing it

[fierce creek]

🤔 gen rushing has been nerfed MULTIPLE times

[vale fulcrum]

ppl seem to think gen rushing hasnt been nerfed lolllll

[fierce creek]

ye like honestly 😭

[vale fulcrum]

u shouldve played back in the day @worn bluff

[tribal olive]

This is why criticism is important

[vale fulcrum]

1 chase 3 gens

[fierce creek]

old brand new parts 😨

[vale fulcrum]

fun add on

[tribal olive]

Bhvr fucked off once they understood no killer was gonna play this dog shit update

[lofty glen]

how do mushrooms spawn again? is it just everytime you switch to head mode? do they spawn necessarely under you or can they spawn elsewhere as well?

[tribal olive]

It does spawn on her body that's what I saw

[tame rapids]

4 mushrooms spawn at the start on a timer, every other mushroom spawns every time you switch to head form

[vale fulcrum]

the game is balanced rn

[autumn mirage]

Agree, im happy for once they listen but also is a bro moment that we have to be happy that they didnt nuke their game 😭

[vale fulcrum]

even tho kaneki was annoying asf 6 months ago

[autumn mirage]

Bro....

[noble moon]

they should add more aura cells ngl

[tribal olive]

Yeah I would say the same but they should understand that some killers are way too good than others

[autumn mirage]

They should add more aura 🔥

[noble moon]

exactly fr

[vale fulcrum]

ye 100 percent they won't change the killers that are suffering at ALL

[tribal olive]

I liked the fact top tier killers got less. It's way harder to tunnel as a trapper than nurse

[autumn mirage]

And certain survivor strats completly leave some killers unable of doing anything

[noble moon]

I need more aura cells for sable ward outfits

[vale fulcrum]

ppl complain about nurse im like ye youre not supposed to loop nurse forever she can go through walls 😭

[tribal olive]

They need to tone down higher tier killers and buff lower and same goes with some survivor starts

[autumn mirage]

Sable the one survivor with the no one cares about lore not even bhvr but thr most hot and cute skins

[autumn mirage]

Agree with first part but the second should be nerf survivors playstyles like 4 man sabo or camp lockers for flashbang save, etc

[fierce creek]

its not just about balance, an extremely unfun playtyle should never the best play style to win, Imagine if bully squads and sabos was an actual viable way to win

[autumn mirage]

Also most the time you can counter nurse by running straight and then back when she keeps holding a long blink

[tame rapids]

sabo play is in fact broken and banned from competitive play

[autumn mirage]

But the regular game isnt competitive play

[tame rapids]

even worse, nobody stops people from abusing it

[autumn mirage]

We need it to be balance everywhere

[fierce creek]

its infact not rly broken at all and not the reason its banned

[autumn mirage]

Me when im dishonest 🥀

[vale fulcrum]

people dont even sabo in comp play tho. like the strat is just gen rushing and tunneling

sabo is more of pub play

[fierce creek]

do you honestly think sabo plays are a good way of winning the game rn?

[worn bluff]

I saw that

[autumn mirage]

Yes and when not is just a way to make many killers DC instead of being held hostage

[fierce creek]

what? xD

[autumn mirage]

Man i love my 3 first downs being no hook since the team just created a hook dead zone

[fierce creek]

what are you saying homie, just slug them its insanely strong to just do that

[autumn mirage]

Trully fun experience to be unable of hooking people

[vale fulcrum]

next he will say "im a survivor main but sabo is way too unfair"

[fierce creek]

[autumn mirage]

Then when you slug the whole survivor community trash on you and also slugging is not even that fun from killer side

[spiral bone]

Y’know, they really should add some kind of feature like ghoul and Wesker have where if you just stand directly on the other side of the pallet when the head vaults, you take damage. I cannot tell you how annoying it is that Survivors can just repeatedly hop the pallet over and over because when you vault, they can vault again before you can even attack as the head.

[autumn mirage]

I prefer to be able to hook and not spend a match unable of hooking snd force to slug 4 people

[fierce creek]

that is not that point? like at all?

[autumn mirage]

Sabo is one of the biggest BS

[fierce creek]

why are you going on a strawman randomly?

[vale fulcrum]

never had to worry about sabo i just slug em all

[somber knot]

bodyblock is enough , legion does it already, others should too

[vale fulcrum]

like the killer mains told me "just get better"

[fierce creek]

like bro had to go an create a whole new argument to try and dodge the point

[vale fulcrum]

he's giving a red herring rn

[fierce creek]

sabo squad in the game? -> slug them -> gg ez

[tame rapids]

till they bring exponential as counterplay and hide it well

[autumn mirage]

You talk about sabo not being good but it can hold game hostage, if you slug they can have unbreakable or just gen rush while you have to protect body and if you leave body they get pick up and you have no pressure, if you try hooking you cant and is just a long game of try to slug and hope you dont get gen rush a 3 man escape

[tame rapids]

people who know how to abuse sabo bring anti slug

[autumn mirage]

My man had really never faced a competent team fr

[fierce creek]

a lot of things can hold games hostage better than sabo, and they are all on the killers side.

[spiral bone]

I’m just saying, if you’re gonna dumbly stand directly on the spot of a killer as they vault at you with the intent to injure you, you should lose a health state for being goofy enough to stand there like a deer in headlights

[fierce creek]

3 genning expecially with singularity can legit hold games until they are forced down

[tame rapids]

typically a higher tier killer

[autumn mirage]

And now you are just trying to deflect it lmaoooo, oh yeah killer hostage by 4 minutes if they decide to slug unlike sabo holding you hostage the whole time unable of hooking and probably with maby anti slug perks

[fierce creek]

?

https://youtu.be/sdLRAuaKW8U?si=H2FT32QT1MkSQphe

[autumn mirage]

3 gen is defending gens while also doing chases, sabo is straight up you cant even do your objective or make any advance while they do

And we literally got gen kick meters now, 3 gen is not even like old SM chess

[fierce creek]

no? 3 gens killers will legit only defend gens and never chase outside the 3 gen area

like you are rly just delusional against anything survivor

[spiral bone]

Yeah but the people pulling that off tend to exclusively play Hux and know his every quantum superposition lol

[autumn mirage]

Literally only killers who ever can do that are Trapper, Hag and Singularity which singularity still do chases in 3 gen just doesnt commit to it enough to loss the gen

[fierce creek]

depends on the 3 gen...

[autumn mirage]

And trapper and hag is their power, wtf else they are suppose to do?

[tame rapids]

3 gen without concluding anything is as good as spending 1 hour in lobby because you forgot to queue for a match

[autumn mirage]

If the killer got a 3 gens on each border of the map and you expect to not defend it then thats on you 😭

[fierce creek]

not that point.

[fierce creek]

holy shit do you even think before you type

[tame rapids]

and also, good survivor squads know exactly where 3 gens are and try their best to not end up in that situation

[autumn mirage]

Also 3 gen is literally easy to get progress nowdays with kick meter, you need 2 survivors to attack different gens at same time and third survivor helps whoever gets chases by the killer

[fierce creek]

you are unnironically complaining about sabo squads when they are a bully strat not a winning strat at all

[tame rapids]

next up you're going to say flashlight saves are impractical because lightborn and walls exist

[fierce creek]

nice strawman homie

[tame rapids]

the same way good survivors know exactly when sabo is a good play

[autumn mirage]

Do you even read yourself? You are literally saying SABO is not problematic and just ez but then cry about the equivalents as killer which are not even as bad, unless you talk of slugging or tunneling sabo is worst

[fierce creek]

if you have a 4man squad going for an escape streak they will not run sabo at all if they are smart and good at the game

[autumn mirage]

Acting like they cant be both is hilarious lmaooo

[fierce creek]

no I didnt, I never said sabo is not problematic I said sabo is not a good strat to WIN the game

[autumn mirage]

That seems to be your whole strategy so far, ty for projection ig

[fierce creek]

you keep lying and putting words in my mouth like what are you even doing

[tame rapids]

like i said, people know when to sabo
if you try to do it 100% of the time then the killer will realize and adapt to it

[fierce creek]

okay sure, but thats the difference, slugging and tunneling are good every game, they are in fact the best strategies for killers

[autumn mirage]

And i showed you how you are literally lying, sabo only even need 3 survivors on the sabo and 1 on gen to win and if you as killer just protect 1 slug they can easily use exponensial to counter you, use healing perks with endurance to pick up or just genrush while you wait 4 minutes to the bleed out or force you to leave body to pick them up

[tame rapids]

no one argued against that, or at least i didn't

[autumn mirage]

But nice strawman ig

[fierce creek]

you did not show me anything, you just said a bunch of random shit that dosent make any sense

[fierce creek]

ye but that was the argument the whole time, that was how it started

[tame rapids]

i'm a killer main, and even then you need to realize hard tunneling and hard slugging are both things you need to know when they're convenient to do

[autumn mirage]

"no you are wrong"

Ahh kind of argument 😭 you dont even listen

[vale fulcrum]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxI8B_pk-dK2WGC2Ov1G_CTPDyW9cw_Qk3?si=qhyOmhpYxuvlf-r6 wey.on doesnt care about survivor at this rate

[autumn mirage]

Anyways gonna cook, you are not worth the time and cant even discuss with arguments

[tame rapids]

unless you're playing nurse and you try to hard tunnel as any other killer, you can easily get hit by 3 second chance perks in a row

[fierce creek]

you are wrong tho. Slugging hard counters sabo, there's legit no other argument needed to understand that sabo is not a valid strat to win games most of the time

[fierce creek]

there is no real situation where tunneling the 1 guy out as fast as possible its not the best thing to do in a game

now are you fast enough at doing it? or not?

[tame rapids]

the same way right now, in the current state of the game you can run hard slugging and get hit by 4 convictions and exponential

[fierce creek]

conviction requieres a whole build around it and its still a mid perk

expecially if the killer know you have it

[tame rapids]

anti tunnel also requires a whole build around it

[fierce creek]

kinda, anti tunnel you can just run otr / ds, or ressurgence

[tame rapids]

if someone has Off the record, decisive and unbreakable they are on a 1 perk build if you don't actively tunnel

[fierce creek]

and have the other 2 perks for w/e you want

[fierce creek]

you can run ds by itself tho, or otr, you dont need anything else

conviction by itself is pure garbage

[untold steppe]

no? knowing how to loop and having something like otr or ds is enough lol. one DS can waste enough time and lose the killer the game

[tame rapids]

part of hard tunneling is spotting the guy that is the worst at looping in the squad

"Just play better" isn't an argument i'm sorry

even though it's true that just running one is enough in MOST scenarios

[untold steppe]

yeah, u counter that by getting better. like sorry man but thats the truth. lets say it takes u a while to go down and then u hit the killer with DS and then take a while to go down again. sure they tunneled u but u prolly won the game from that alone

[tame rapids]

the thing is that "Just get better" has a lot of layers to it, especially in this game

and 99% of those things are ignored by a nurse

which is the ENTIRE issue about hard tunneling

[untold steppe]

thats not a tunneling problem tho. thats a nurse problem

[tame rapids]

nurse isn't the only high tier killer in the game

there's plenty of killers that can instantly catch up after being hit by a DS or OTR

or entirely ignore it in some cases like pyramid with cages

[untold steppe]

they kinda nerfed pyramid head’s tunneling anyway by making it so cages give u borrowed time. his cages are bound to have some advantage

[tame rapids]

a trapper hard tunneling and a blight hard tunneling isn't the same scenario

[tame rapids]

Yes but getting saved from a cage still:

• Gives him a notification
• Doesn't activated anti tunneling perks
• Can't be shoulder the burdened

that endurance is bound to be gone before you even reach the cage notification

[untold steppe]

obv not all of them but those killers need some kind of nerf. u cant just nerf tunneling for all killers. some like trapper genuinely need an early kill in plenty and plenty of scenarios

[tame rapids]

which is why i suggested that they still implemented the anti tunneling, but only for the really strong killers that typically don't need to play around it

but most of them still do because it's just that easy to pull off compared to other killers

[untold steppe]

oh i agree w this lol

[fierce creek]

thats way to artificial tho and would need constant tweeks

[untold steppe]

but yeah i just dont think its fair to make it so like weaker killers like trapper (which i do play a lot) need 6 hook stages to get a kill. its BS

[tame rapids]

they already made artificial downgrades for strong killers in the anti tunnel

[fair shadow]

are the slug tunnel changes still on ptb?

[tame rapids]

they are but they won't be added to the game when the update releases on live

[fair shadow]

dang. makes sense. I was confused by the wording.

[tame rapids]

the thing is how can you gauge what killer is good or not if you don't play the game

weak killers have higher kill rates than strong ones

[untold steppe]

are u talking abt the devs not playing their own game?

[tame rapids]

kinda

and i can tell that they picked the "nerfed unique hook buffs" based on community feedback alone rather than the stats they publish regularly

[fierce creek]

kinda, at high mmrs you get basically all the S tiers on top 5

[tame rapids]

(mmr is a lie)

[fierce creek]

?

[tame rapids]

because unless they're taking in account high mmr killers vs high mmr survivors, then there's a lot of situation where stronger killers end up against weaker survivors

[untold steppe]

thats always my turn off for survivor. i always face the same boring ass 5 killers. like i wanna face a demo bro

[tame rapids]

sadako had the highest kill rate for a while because her system was an absolute pub stomper

[fierce creek]

they probably are taking the average mmr of the match

[tame rapids]

probably? i guess that's good enough for bhvr

[fierce creek]

all A or above killers on the high mmr side

[tame rapids]

this is the worst showcase list ive ever seen in a while i had to look at it 3 times to realize why there were 2 twins next to each other

[untold steppe]

freddy? dredge? onryo? isnt onryo like the weakest killer in the game

[fierce creek]

I said high mmr side...

[tame rapids]

but yeah looking at that list, freddy clearly isn't as strong as Nurse or Blight but it's on a higher kill rate

[fierce creek]

freddy after the buffs is pretty strong tho, like average A tier killer

[tame rapids]

because his power is NOT as straightforward

[fierce creek]

ofc not on nurse/blight level

[untold steppe]

honestly id say B

[fierce creek]

he has traps, good slows in chase and tps

[tame rapids]

so a 1800 mmr freddy that queues up to a team that isn't as good as he is will see a good end of it

it's more of how easy a counterplay is to understand compared to other killers

more people than you think don't know how to play against twins

[fierce creek]

kinda? the clown counterplay is pretty simple to understand, but since the numbers are wway way to high the killer is insanely broken

easy to understand is only a factor that matters if the numbers are not insane

[surreal holly]

another day another day

[surreal holly]

dracula isnt here?

[tame rapids]

if the clown had been like this since forever, yes it would be easy to understand
the reason it's as oppressive as it is is because it came out of nowhere after years of the killer being mid

[fierce creek]

[tame rapids]

and even then clown had always been in an awkward situation because of his addons

perhaps they should rework instadown addons to change/vary the playstyle of typically boring killers that have them instead of nerfing them till they're unusable

[modest tree]

Surprised ghoul isn't on this list, unless he was released after.

[tame rapids]

ghoul released after that list i think

[modest tree]

Ahhhh ok

[fierce creek]

ghoul was released after

[tame rapids]

they release those stats periodically, so the next list still isn't here

[modest tree]

Ohhh ok
I played the game when it launched then took a big break

[tame rapids]

but i do expect to see ghoul on top, maybe springtrap too since a lot of people started to play him due to being the new killer

[brisk vine]

Might've had the most unfun killer experience ever:

• Hiding survivor info is fine, didn't bother me.
• New killer was really slow feeling, head form attacks needed a lot of wind up only for the survivor to be gone over a pallet by the time I've finished attacking.
• Tried to avoid slugging, but only hit one survivor the whole match. Krasue either needs more speed or better ranged. Leeches did nothing as far as I could tell.

[modest tree]

Last time I played was when Freddy was reworked

[tame rapids]

i've had a good experience playing her personally, she just needs a few cooldown fixes to be actually considered high tier

but her lunge can nearly reach the entire shack in distance

[native aspen]

Are you trying to leech them in head form?

[brisk vine]

Really cool killer, just felt extemely sluggish.

[brisk vine]

No.

[tame rapids]

also, please note her body form regurgitate explodes on walls and infects easier, saying this just in case you go for direct hits

[modest tree]

If you can hit your shots with her shes good, I've been absolutely destroyed by her before a single gen could get done. She definitely requires some skill. The combo I've seen that works is m1->spit->detach hit

[tame rapids]

you can get a nearly guaranteed Leech by simply using it on a pallet

[modest tree]

That I didnt know thought it had to be hit.

[native aspen]

Head mode chases at 120% speed which is the fastest base a killer gets, not to mention headlong flight lets you catch up and block survivors

[tame rapids]

you can both go for direct hits and splash hits, splash hits are way better

[modest tree]

Good to know

[tame rapids]

i noticed that if you catch any infected survivor out in the open, you get a guaranteed hook on them

[modest tree]

Faster then lich in flight mode?

[native aspen]

Needing to leech a survivor as body mode is the only limitation of head mode

[tame rapids]

i think it's a bit slower but it has less cooldown

so you can go for an M1 very quickly

[lethal trail]

What's topic today

[modest tree]

Yeah but if you rock the iri add on you can just go detach mode and slaughter

[fierce creek]

all true but pallets hard counter head mode, so either dissolution or its gg

[tame rapids]

her only issue for me is the cooldown from switching back to body mode

but you can very much run lethal pursuer and chicken head addon to go on a slaughter at the start of the game

[native aspen]

They don't

[modest tree]

Doesnt she also lose clipping when she vaults a pallet in detach

[tame rapids]

you can actually hit the guy trying to vault back it's just not easy to do

[native aspen]

Dissolution is a strong perk on her for sure but she can play a lot of pallets if you're good with her

[fierce creek]

wdym they dont? lmao, you are litteraly forced to go normal mode to break the pallets

[tame rapids]

you typically want to avoid playing around god pallets in head form

[fierce creek]

if the pallet is good enough ofc

[native aspen]

Unironically god pallets are the easier ones for her to play

[fierce creek]

please explain?

[native aspen]

unless theres a window nearby like shack

[fierce creek]

you know you can vault after the head vaults before she can attack? right?

[native aspen]

No, you can't

[fierce creek]

yes you can

[tame rapids]

her vault is fast enough to avoid it

[fierce creek]

especially if you have resillience

[tame rapids]

it's not the same vault as wesker or ghoul keep that in mind

[fierce creek]

https://streamable.com/uj4lq6

[tame rapids]

he messed up

he could've easily gotten there in time with the attack

[fierce creek]

maybe, but I have so far not gotten a single one that could hit me before I vaulted if I have resillience

[native aspen]

because people are bad with her

[fierce creek]

but I can test with a friend in customs and see

[tame rapids]

killer just released, but people have tested her vault and you can pull that off

if you m1 and turn around fast enough you can hit before they get to the other side

[native aspen]

i was watching ohtofu test with experienced players and he was able to hit every time outside of user error

[fierce creek]

do you have a vod or link? I am just sharing personal experience in the ptb but interested to see

[tame rapids]

otzdarva shared a clip of it in his latest video

[native aspen]

I don't off hand, I'm on my phone for the foreseeable future

[tame rapids]

he actually showed krasue hitting someone trying to vault back on the pallet

but sure you can use dissolution no problem if that's the concern, still saves you the trouble

[native aspen]

this was from his post as well

[tame rapids]

faster than finesse bro 🥀

[native aspen]

it's just players not understanding her strengths on PTB

she is very strong

[tame rapids]

your best shot in that scenario is making use of the clunky lunge to make the killer whiff

[fierce creek]

she is insanely strong if you cant just vault after her

[tame rapids]

and even then people will get better at it, i always said the killer is very good

[native aspen]

and even that only goes so far

it only feels clunky cause we're not used to it

it gives you so much room to hit people you wouldnt otherwise

[tame rapids]

it's just very unique compared to the killers we have right now

[vale fulcrum]

What tier will this killer be

[tame rapids]

definitely an A+ for me

if she gets some cooldown buffs and a few better addons she can even go up to S

[fierce creek]

she dosent need any buffs bro, we do not need more S tiers

[native aspen]

shes also stronger without the anti-tunneling stuff

she is unfortunately very good at it

[tame rapids]

yeah she can't be bodyblocked while in head form

[fierce creek]

I would nerf her range spam even, if you miss you shouldnt rly be able to spam infection

[tame rapids]

and people can't take infections over the tunneled person because it splashes off people

[native aspen]

infection doesnt go away on hook so

[untold steppe]

is that possible on like console tho?

[tame rapids]

plus because they have limited mushrooms, you can saturate the map and they'll be perma broken (and hindered with a certain addon)

[vale fulcrum]

Gonna be another kaneki situation

Where nobody gave feedback til live patch

[tame rapids]

maybe with high sens, but they added MK support on console with this update

[fierce creek]

keep making S tier killers, but justifying not nerfing the role because the C tiers exist

[untold steppe]

mk?

[vale fulcrum]

Bhvr logic

[tame rapids]

mouse keyboard

[fierce creek]

dbd moment

[untold steppe]

ah thats great

[ocean crystal]

this is such a killer sided ptb

[fierce creek]

🤔

bait?

[tame rapids]

what I haven't seen much around is the 60 seconds exposure from the new perk

[fluid mason]

Thoughts on Micheal Myers rework?

[fierce creek]

the new gen perk for killers is legit torture to play against as a survivor

I swear I never wanted to quit a match to much

My hears were ringing after the game

[vital zealot]

my fav thing about the krasue is her proj. such a skill shot fr

[tame rapids]

is it the one that gives you undetectable when they do a far away gen

[fierce creek]

ye and the gen becomes the center of the terror radius, like if you are doing the gen its legit torture

[native aspen]

find a different gen or cleanse the hex then

[fierce creek]

thx for the input

[tame rapids]

could be worse, imagine if it wasn't a hex and it had 0 counterplay

[ruby magnet]

hmm

[native aspen]

it didnt bother me when i had it on my gen

[fierce creek]

Its not that strong at all imo, its just incredibly annoying

[ruby magnet]

how we feeling about ravenous perk?

[tame rapids]

insane snowball potential imo

the removal of basekit BBQ however makes it a little less broken

[vital zealot]

I feel like a lot of krasue's perks revolved around the new anti tunnel mechanics and they can def flourish without it'll be interesting to see how more or less powerful they are

[tame rapids]

everyone having 1 minute of exposure means they can't do reckless things, you could have someone hit stage 2 or die on the hook because of that

[lethal trail]

Leave old man,wall daddy alone...but i dont play him so I dont know is mechanical issues being played onlt the terrifying experience going against him lol

[lethal trail]

Oh shit I compltely.forgot about this fact.

[lethal trail]

At that point its the teams faul not the killers fault.

[tame rapids]

is it really
what's the counterplay if they camp the hook

[lethal trail]

I dont ecen mind if they camp hook as long as they go forward they unhooked. Lazy? Boring but doesnt ruin some.ones game play sending them back to lobby so fast. Counter to face camping is flashback 2 man save crew bait him out there is more counter play to proxy camping ( where you do it so the camping meter doesnt go up) then there is tunneling.

[tardy knoll]

the PTB changes seem good on paper but suck in practice, right?

[lethal trail]

Just number a bit to high

[lethal trail]

And thats coming from some one who already spaces out hooks 1 each a d then again and then kill

[tardy knoll]

on paper this seems good but it doesnt seem that well if you think about it

especially for bubbas

[fierce creek]

idk I didnt rly notice an insane change in practice. I think they sound much worse than actualy are

some nerfs to perks suck tho

Ive noticed more difference from pain res dms nerfs than every anti slug/tunneling change

[tardy knoll]

they nerfed one of my mains :(

im kinda excited to try the shape rework

[drifting canyon]

these nerfs are pretty bad ngl, especially the alternatives they suggest us

[weary pilot]

Here's what changes I think should happen to Krasue's power and her perks when they eventually reach live patch: #ptb-discussion message

[tame rapids]

yes but they're ALL exposed, it's harder to pull of

[lethal trail]

Trueee. Still a better chance at play

[barren mauve]

dude i just had literally 3 speed hackers in a single game

[quick panther]

I think Road Life was originally going to fully heal you after getting 6 tokens, but bhvr got scared and murdered the perk before the ptb

(But Made For This was fine)

[barren mauve]

Luppo: I'm the only one who chases.

He goes and chases people with speed bugs.

Luppo: In this game, you have to fuck the hairs that are ignored.

wolf left

Daughter Nea: bencede luppo

Daughter Nea: bencede

Daughter Nea left

denys left

Enter text...

this is translated somewhat

[weary pilot]

Instead of requiring you to bring a medkit, imagine if it temporarily unlocked the self-care action with the healing speed increased considerably to make the perk worth.

[dense geyser]

Tested it on a double obsession build, usually hands me 2-3 downs completely for free

[lofty glen]

someone just pulled the infinite haste exploit in my lobby, this was their build, i thought you needed dramaturgy or smth?

[fierce creek]

no, you only need conviction

and I thought plot twist too but guess not

[latent glade]

blight main here who can teach flicks?

[pulsar ginkgo]

bruh the fact theyre postponing the anti tunneling and anti slugging is insane

[runic thorn]

is the ptb still available i can't open it

[pulsar ginkgo]

90 seconds for recovery is so long

[weary pilot]

God forbid that the PTB is called the public test build for a reason. They are merely postponing it for a later PTB in an effort to tweak the numbers.

[pulsar ginkgo]

lol they said they were gonna release it for the update but theyre postponing it idiot

no need to have ur knickers in a twist bc i have an opinion on how theyre postponing something god forbid right

[weary pilot]

Where did they explicitly say they will release the anti-tunnel + anti-slug perks despite community feedback?

[pulsar ginkgo]

"we wanted to update folks on the ongoing PTB discussions which we have been following very closely since last week's Dev Update."

"For the release of Sinister Grace, we will hold back those features (and their associated perk changes) to iterate on some adjustments based on your feedback."

[weary pilot]

That doesn't tell me anything in terms of 100% committing to releasing the two new systems.

[pulsar ginkgo]

theyre postponing it till the next ptb

[runic thorn]

had to restart computer dont know why

[pulsar ginkgo]

till they believe theyre ready they should have made sure theyre ready

[weary pilot]

Bud, that's literally what I said. You said #ptb-discussion message

[pulsar ginkgo]

rip sorry i didnt reply im not on my pc

[runic thorn]

no worry

[weary pilot]

BHVR did not make a promise to release anti-tunnel and anti-slug systems into the live environment. Since they were following PTB discussions closely, they ultimately decided to postpone the release of those new systems to further tweak it for the next PTB update.

[pulsar ginkgo]

well they technically did w their quality of life questionnaire or else it wouldnt have been considering in having feedback from the community really

ill doubt theyll catch up on making sure it seems fair for the anti slug and tunnel

it almost feels like they never check to play the game itself for bugs till actual playerbase recognises

[weary pilot]

The PTB is ultimately for those that wish to play on an upcoming build of the game to find and report bugs to the developers.

[pulsar ginkgo]

when its also not that difficult to check themselves

sure i get it they can get people to check too but look how long it took them to fix dear jim beam

[hoary igloo]

Is the PTB a PC only thing or can you play it on console as well?

[weary pilot]

Well we don't know what BHVR does in their offices during the duration of a PTB.

[pulsar ginkgo]

no

[weary pilot]

PTB is only accessible via Steam.

[hoary igloo]

Gotcha

[vale fulcrum]

PC master race fr

[weary pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-freeman-true-morgan-freeman-true-nodding-gif-13973817878387504960

[fleet lagoon]

i'm sure they have a lot more to do than PTB

[spark pawn]

is anyone down to run the ptb

[fleet lagoon]

isn't their chapter schedule queued up to next year

[rotund otter]

I’m so happy they’re not introducing the changes

[weary pilot]

They are merely postponing the new systems.

[rotund otter]

Yeah but they’re also not going to be anywhere near as broken

[weary pilot]

We'll see.

[lethal trail]

Playing f in laptop so don't have the ptb in it. So I am doing this but with no way out. On ghosting I'll let ya know how I like it

[true apex]

Yeah the conversation has been mostly civilized, amazingly

[lethal trail]

tried this with no way out didnt seem to really work for me. but kinda had a bully suad gettimg better at evading flsh light slaves but i am kinda wantign flashlights to have to be streaight on not TO BOTH MY LEFT AND RIGHT holy shit

[lethal trail]

mostly yeah.

[cyan imp]

I don't really understand how it's "too punishing". Double hooking is still a thing that can be done, you just don't get the bonus. The punishment is only after killing a player too fast.

[fickle crane]

I think the main critique was it could take effect when there's only 1 or 2 gens left. Personally I think the system could have used tweaks and didn't need to be thrown out entirely but oh well

[true apex]

It definitely needed more time and tweaks, it was too overtuned

[cyan imp]

Same, they could implement the elusive or something, and tweak some numbers. Why remove the whole system

[fickle crane]

I don't think it needed more time. I think conceptually it was alright and just needed number adjustments and a few caveats

[cyan imp]

This is true, but why not let the console players try it too then

[true apex]

But I do agree there are good ideas, just bad execution and weird numbers adding up

[cyan imp]

Numbers seem to be easy to change.

[fickle crane]

Part of the problem was also the outcry but personally I think the outcry was a little overkill. There's a difference between "this is conceptually good but needs adjustments" and "WE'RE QUITTING DBD OVER THIS RAAAAAAAHHH!!!!!"

[cyan imp]

I have met so many Killer players that said, 'this is fine, as a system.' and they appreciated the system, but probably the vocal minority got what they wanted.

[true apex]

If BHVR didn't had a tendency to ignore feedback, probably the outcry would have been more tempered.

As it stood, the system was too much, and if it went to live it would be detrimental to the game.

It's a sad reality.

But let's wait and see the next iteration, I was one of the ones very against the patch as it stood, but even I admit there's a lot that could have been salvaged.

[fickle crane]

I know BHVR makes a lot of mistakes but I think like... they were aware this PTB was going to be a contentious one so I think they might have been more receptive to feedback. I guess I'm just a little frustrated with the way that people were arguing against it. I guess mostly because I'm really sad it means we're losing the unique hook buffs

[orchid brook]

I like the idea of longer games with more hook stages before kills. I really didn't like the double hook kill penalty (oh oops guess I can't hook this guy). I really didn't like the lack of info on unhook because unhooks felt pretty much free and killer spent more time searching. I didn't love mandatory kicks and how slow killers couldn't use the hook buffs well, but I really like the general idea of unique hook buffs. I actually like the idea of survivors doing gens faster when fewer are alive and would pair it with slower initial repairs. That alone would encourage slower kills I think.

[true apex]

Thing is there's quite a sizable amount of numbers and mechanics that was obvious that they came from a wrong perspective, which was that tunneling and slugging are static choices made at the start of the match instead of a possible response to the dynamic state of the game halfway through. There's a heavy difference between a hard tunnel at 5 gens and a stressful spit-second choice caused by having to take out someone at 2 gens or lose the match.

A DBD match is a highly mobile, ever shifting thing and trying to blanket fix it is a terrible idea.

Also making survivors untouchable for half a match is never a good idea, no matter how many stopgaps you put in, there will be ways to exploit it.

[cyan imp]

I think the generator number is a factor, yes. That could make sense when the kill happens if lmore gens are done, the killer shouldn't have a punishment. It just happens so much, tunneling at 5 gens.

[vale fulcrum]

Who said that? This is bhvr

[hazy kraken]

Actually can't even if you already passed 6 hook states. I've hooked ada on 10 and 11 hooks and gens got blocked immediately so... stop your bs

[hazy kraken]

They'd rather be even more broken

[vale fulcrum]

Lmaooo real

[true apex]

Yes, the block happens mo matter what if you double hook/hook and kill. Which is horrible design

[hazy kraken]

At the time I mentioned it I was lucky I had to chase last survivor and closed hatch with last one in sight. The whole anti killer stuff is bs. Wonder how much will they actually remove from it...

Wish they would nerf healing speed as well but... bhvr won't dare

[cyan imp]

Think about that; They nerfed it a while ago. If they nerf more, people will stop healing and gen rush even more.

Healing gives killers time to find others

[hazy kraken]

Tf are you talking about friend? Survs now heal almost instantly... without fucking syringe

[brave oyster]

The best part of ketchup is that watery bit that comes out when you first squeeze it

[hazy kraken]

Less than second with jill's perk

[cyan imp]

That is an exaggeration, almost instantly isn't true, and if it's fast it means they stacked healing perks, so not much room for other types.

I appreciated the part in this test, where the killer got buffs for spreading hooks. Because I enjoy when everyone in the match can have a positive experience.

I hear a lot of people have a problem with the "other side" getting something. but both got something this patch.

[hazy kraken]

With faster healing survs will faster return to gen rush either and gens are flying now with all killer gen perks being nerfed into oblivion...

[lofty glen]

lmao

[gray ruin]

they should just disable postgame chat fully at this point

[quick panther]

Someone seriously complained about the killer camping a bot??

I swear these people literally cannot be happy in any context

[gray ruin]

i think its more of like making fun of or smth like that

[gray ruin]

what can i say were talking ab dbd

[quick panther]

Killer plays optimally: “zzz sweaty killer”

Killer plays poorly: “lol gg ez baby killer”

Killer uses a meme build or meme strategy: “lol idiot killer gg ez”

[gray ruin]

thats a a valid overview of dbd postgame chat

[quick panther]

The only winning move against these people is to not play. Disable the chat forever.

Let them scream at metaphorical brick walls

[gray ruin]

real

btw how did u get the prestiged role?

[quick panther]

I posted a lot, I guess

[weary pilot]

Get active in the community. Just keep posting and contributing and eventually you'll earn that role.

[quick panther]

I’ve left and rejoined a few times but I guess the server still remembered me.

[gray ruin]

is there any way or chance that they have ptb in epic? i have dbd from epic since i got it free like 4 years ago on a halloween thing

[quick panther]

Nope. It’s Steam only.

[shut inlet]

I got called a loser as sadako since half the survivors didnt cleanse condemned 💔

[quick panther]

I’ve browsed enough Reddit to know that almost nobody reads how things work

[hollow wedge]

but i wanna say gg 🙁

[quick panther]

Heck, I’ve seen two occasions where an OP listed out the killer’s perks but didn’t read what they did.

[shut inlet]

💔

[lofty glen]

didnt notice this one

this one should have no problem staying while they rework the rest, right?

[dusty mesa]

I love being on console for that reason LOL, I did have a person get so mad they msg’d my account from their console just to say how bad I was after I “Tunneled” them (Remember me stacks)

[hazy kraken]

Bet it was said because it happened at endgame

[noble moon]

yo when is this PBT over btw

[signal eagle]

I think they only thing they kept as far as game-mechanic changes is the map reworks, which I do think maybe shouldn't have been put in as-is. I feel like more minor things should have been kept in the meantime, but overall it's good that they're pushing back the major changes for more testing

[woeful agate]

who wants to play 2v8/ anything survivor with me and my friend, looking for players 300+ hours chill ppl only! DM me

[grizzled imp]

How long is the ptb gonna be live for?

[runic thorn]

^^

also when you eat the mushroom too fast after picking it up you don't see the animation of eating it

[lofty glen]

it only lasts a week

[past drift]

how do i see my mmr

[lofty glen]

you dont, they made it intentionally hidden

there is some sketchy way to read it but idk if its allowed or how to do it

[fluid fern]

this

W update that got completely misrepresented by content creators

basekit aura reading and pop is insane

Im currently running a build with just Grim and surge on live and playign scenarios in my mind as to how absolutely oppressive it would be if I had free information and pop everytime I hook

you can still "tunnel" and slug in the new system

you literally just cant kill someone before 6

[frigid briar]

which is precisely the problem but ok

[icy summit]

How long left?

[lofty glen]

next tuesday

[icy summit]

👍

[fluid fern]

run an endgame perk if you're worried about the gens

[frigid briar]

Me when I'm punished for punishing an enemy gamer for playing like an amoeba but ok, glad these things won't go live unchanged

[icy summit]

Will the killers buffs/nerfs be going live? Not the perk changes just the killer ones like Unknown and Dracula

[frigid briar]

Well they said the slugging and tunnelling stuff was deemed too punishing considering the feedback, so they'll hold back on implementing them when the Krasue chapter goes live

[signal eagle]

Basekit aura reading and pop would be good if it didn’t have so many negatives. There’s so many normal gameplay situations that could happen in the PTB where survivors were completely untouchable, yet could waste killer time. There should never be a point in DBD where a survivor can get off a hook and repair a generator in front of the killer without consequence.

Or an even better example, with how dead-on-hook survivors could follow trapper around disarming traps, forcing him to chase a survivor that won’t even give him pressure when downed because he can’t hook them without penalty

[fathom bane]

IMO:
The slugging changes should have gone through, but i agree the tunneling changes needed some touch ups

[young forum]

the moment you progress the game in any way should disable the anti-tunnel penalties for the killer even if they technically tunnel you. same way as how DS/OTR work currently.

doing a gen in the killer's face? ok, you're no longer being tunnelled if they decide to pull you off it and hook you.

[fluid fern]

the day we stop pretending the game needs to be balanced around Trapper is the day Dead by Daylight becomes a better game

[fluid fern]

I believe completely opposite, the tunneling system as is was perfect but the antislug made the tunnel system a lose lose

[fathom bane]

But it does need to be though, this is proof trapper is OP

[fluid fern]

that is if you cant just simply get multiple downs in quick succession

[fluid fern]

totally

I have never seen any other game be this obsessed with low tier characters when talking about game balance

fix the game engine, buff the low tiers to function in it

[fathom bane]

TBF look how op he is, he is capable of harming survivors which is against rule number 41 in the Survivors rule book for killers

[signal eagle]

https://tenor.com/view/that's-bait-fishing-thats-bait-time-to-go-fishing-dark-souls-gif-12687109592345272249

[fluid fern]

it isn't and youre exactly as not funny as everyone else who sent the same thing

post your 14k hours as a Trapper main then talk about trapper

[signal eagle]

You've either completely missed the point of the word "example," or you are indeed baiting lmao

It's not about trapper, it's about how insanely stupid it was that survivors could hover around killers with no consequence and interact with the environment in ways that actively changed the progress of a match

[fluid fern]

which is an issue with the anti slug, not the anti tunnel

you should be able to down those people for pressure and leave them thereyou should not be allowed to kill someone before half the game has progressed

[signal eagle]

But the anti-slug was the best (and probably only) solution we will get (minus the basekit tenacity), so changing that would be a horrible solution

[fluid fern]

and there are countless of perks that healthily support that playstyle

[fluid fern]

simply give everyone 1 self pick up for free

[signal eagle]

Wait, didn't you say yesterday yourself that "there's no situation where you should have people down for 90 seconds"

[fluid fern]

correct

[signal eagle]

Then how is it an issue with the anti-slug lol

[fluid fern]

so then when a killer does that it gets punished

you are choosing to be dense

[signal eagle]

No wonder you see that gif so many times lol

[fathom bane]

But yeah, see Trapper OP

[fluid fern]

post hours, then post opinion

[signal eagle]

Almost 1k, and also the fact that you'd rather flex hours than have an actual conversation really says a lot

[fluid fern]

no it says nothing considering every other person in this chat for the last 3 days had literally just installed the game

who shared the exact opinion you did

the issue wasnt the tunnel system it was that you had no way to apply pressure to someone playing aggressive around it

[signal eagle]

There were plenty of people here with a fair portion of time played that I've seen around the server often that agreed with me, but you wouldn't be wrong to say that there was a huge portion of incredibly-green players sharing bad opinions as well.

[fluid fern]

you in fact do not need to kill someone before hookign 5 times to win a match of DBD as killer

and you can literally win in 4 hooks

the majority of games end with 7-8 hooks total

the only times you got 12 hooks was on S tiers

or if the killer was literally playign against brand new survivors and was goign out of their way to do so

6 hooks was completely reasonable

[signal eagle]

You are correct, but I do think that's inherently an issue with the anti-tunneling system, not the anti-slugging system. I could agree with once-per-trial, but at 90 seconds, it may as well be that.

The main issue with the update is everything in-tandem, but I think it was primarily that the 6-hook system didn't differentiate a 5-generator game from a 1-generator game, and was compounded with the anti-slugging to create situations where you couldn't hook people. I think 6 hooks could be reasonable in a vacuum, but it's not reasonable when paired with the repeated-hook system that increased repair speeds by 25%, and completely renders killer comebacks impossible in most situations by taking away the ability to kill survivors regardless of generators remaining.

[fluid fern]

Killers shouldn't get a comeback

Killers need 1 snowball to win the game

[signal eagle]

Why not? If survivors make mistakes and start going down, they should be allowed to snowball into a win regardless of match progress. I don't think game mechanics should dictate if someone is allowed to make good plays

[fluid fern]

Killers at any point of the game can win with 4 hooks

I am tellign you as someone who plays Twins regularly and at a high level

that you dont need to have built in ways for killers to "comeback" by focusing out one player at the start of the game

[signal eagle]

I never once said that

You're making a correlation between tunneling and saving a lost match

[fluid fern]

there are perks to delay survivors at the start to prevent back to back gen pops

and throughout the game. But there is absolutely nothing a survivor can do if the map they are on is actual dogshit and they get hooked in a deadzone

a very significant part fo the roster can simply power through eveyr antitunnel perk in the game, and then have a sever advantage in teh 3 v 1

that is the core of what DBD is and has been for 10 years

but DBD's player retention outside of certain events has been spirallign downwards, and the #1 reason is people are sick of gettign tunneled out at the start of games or feel that their skill expression is meaningless

there is no skill expression in hard tunneling

[signal eagle]

I feel like you falsely think I'm advocating for tunneling just because I didn't like the anti-tunneling system that was implimented

[stray adder]

so

[fluid fern]

there is no skill epxression in keepign 2 people on the ground for 2-3 minutes

[pulsar belfry]

🎤

[fluid fern]

and yet it denies skill expression on an individual survivor to do anything

[signal eagle]

I'm sorry but I genuinely don't even know what point you're arguing against, because you're taking a stance against tunneling despite me never once saying anything about how it should be a valid strategy

I think tunneling is a garbage mechanic that should've been changed years ago. That doesn't mean I'll agree with the first thing they try to impliment, but me thinking it isn't fine-tuned enough for live doesn't mean I think it should be scrapped entirely

I think it needed tweaks, and I'm hoping that it will get said tweaks in a PTB sometime soon. Respectfully, I'm honestly not completely sure what you think we were discussing at this point

[stray adder]

I just had a match that was 2 minutes long because I was face camped until i died...The "bar" that's suppose to help people out in this situation went up until the very end and didnt allow me to jump off. and you guys really think this is okay?

[signal eagle]

That's possibly a bug? Normally you should just be able to attempt an unhook when it's full and just get off the hook, but I've never seen it fail before

[pulsar belfry]

What killer was it? Because I feel like it bugs out with their terror radius sometimes

[fluid fern]

There are a lot of killer players who spend time learning the distance they can occupy where you wont be able to unhook yourself before you die while zonign the other 3

[stray adder]

It was Pyramid Head

[fluid fern]

Eggregious tunnel abuser #1

[signal eagle]

Pyramid Head players really don't change lol

[fluid fern]

uncleansable power that lets you deny a barrage of survivor perks that let them defend themselves

but wait...lets talk about Trapper right?

[stray adder]

It just baffles me how dumb these developers are, truly. even if it was a bug. not punishing killers doing this is stupid

I reported him, we all know thats gonna do nothing

[signal eagle]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-gif-5601038695216007548

[pulsar belfry]

Everytime I have a new player with me playing they ask how to get rid of the barbwire. I’ve only just realised is he the only one you can’t get rid of it?

[signal eagle]

I've been wondering this since I started playing, the feeling is mutual

[pearl pecan]

crouch

[lofty glen]

i still think they should balance stuff like gen speed per individual killer and that would probably be enough

[signal eagle]

That would just be incredibly confusing and convoluted for everyone tbh

[pulsar belfry]

I understand that’s how to avoid it but not get rid of it

[pearl pecan]

Just make a couple categories

[obtuse berry]

Cages activate unhook perks now lol

[pearl pecan]

I dont know if they could, it isnt just a single trap like hag or trapper

[lofty glen]

yea, i got the idea from the fact they adressed stronger killers with the hook spread incentives and gave them lesser buffs

[signal eagle]

I feel like we should be asking for buffs, not the bare minimum bandaid fixes

[pearl pecan]

How is that a bandaid fix

[signal eagle]

Because it doesn't fix the fact that a killer is bad, just drags matches to make them feel more fair

[lofty glen]

I do think they should try rewarding ideal playstyles rather than punishing unwanted ones, but whats wrong with the gen speed modifier

[signal eagle]

If a killer struggles to down, they aren't going to do any better just because you give them a minute more in a match

[round abyss]

Totally agree with this

[pearl pecan]

Some killers will always struggle to down since they dont have a chase power

[lofty glen]

if a killer has more time to chase and get hooks, does it not help?

[signal eagle]

So buff them? Give them something extra to alleviate that? BHVR is literally paid to think of solutions, they just don't because nobody asks them to

[pearl pecan]

Like a chase power? myres got one and everyone lost their shit

[lofty glen]

how so, its not impossible to get downs it just takes longer, and the gen speed could be proportional to that

[fathom bane]

That would break rule 12 in the Survivors rule book for killers though

[lofty glen]

killers dont need to be buffed and can actually play their kit if they dont have to abide by the same standards as idk a ghoul

[pearl pecan]

lore accurate steve or smth

[fathom bane]

Also trapper needs a nerf

[signal eagle]

Because using the aforementioned example of trapper, if a trapper is playing against good survivors, he still isn't going to get a down with extra match time

Bad killers usually rely on survivor mistakes for downs as opposed to their own power, and dragging a match doesn't inherently mean they'll perform better

[lofty glen]

even m1 killers dont rely entirely on survivor mistakes, basekit for every killer is enough to get downs, just not as fast as a killer with more power

[fathom bane]

^
With the exception of nurse, it is possible for all killers to get downs using JUST m1

Every killer basekit has the movespeed (and scaling) to play m1 (except nurse) assuming the BEST survivors and the BEST killers

[signal eagle]

That's true, but unless we're talking over 100 second generators (which would be absurd with regression), it's not enough

[lofty glen]

yea, its harder but equally doable, the limitation when it comes to actually winning is time

[fathom bane]

the only exception is nurse

who can be infinitely looped without her power

[pearl pecan]

so buff nurse?

[lofty glen]

lmao

she is the exception but it doesnt matter cuz she does have a power to begin with

[graceful gazelle]

I love the ptb

[lofty glen]

and thinking about it, if they were to play around with other factors they could make unique buffs like the bbq and bonus regression

i just think they should generally expand how they buff and nerf killers, instead of just changing their kit it could be interesting if they were to mess with main game mechanics

[signal eagle]

I really still just think that's too convoluted

[lofty glen]

sure but worth a shot ig

[signal eagle]

I mean anything could be worth a PTB

[lofty glen]

yea

[fluid fern]

since when

[signal eagle]

But at the same time, I think it's infeasible to ask survivors to remember powers, generator times, passive perk bonuses, etc for the sake of balance

There's already hundreds of hours worth of learning to do just to get into the game without completely scrapping every level of killer consistency

[fluid fern]

I did too until they chickened out

[graceful gazelle]

So same

[signal eagle]

Don't get me wrong, I don't think it's a terrible idea, but I think I'd prefer them to just buff killers

[fluid fern]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-you-point-spiderman-mirror-gif-16673460

[pearl pecan]

but buff how, you cant just say buff killers without a solution

[fluid fern]

me when I react to me

[signal eagle]

In concept lol. I more mean that it could work if it were tied into very specific killer powers, like how some killers get killer instinct for actions. I don't think it'd be good as a broad implementation for every killer, as opposed to just designing buffs.

[signal eagle]

Sure I can. BHVR literally gets paid to think of solutions, they aren't even close to a small company but people treat them like they're still an indie.

[pearl pecan]

some killers really just cant be buffed

[signal eagle]

They've made billions, but act like releasing one chapter and a few balance patches every few months is hard

[obtuse berry]

Since his addon rework

[signal eagle]

Sure they can. Give trapper starting traps and iri coil base, and I'm sure he'd be doing a lot better.

[fluid fern]

there is no way theyve made billions

[signal eagle]

They make about $350M a year

Nevermind the internet lied (wouldn't you know lol)

[fluid fern]

Feng cosmetics go brr

[signal eagle]

That's total estimated, but still an absolute ton. Millions is no small number

[obtuse berry]

That’s like a million dollars per day

and they can’t bother to fix gamebreakingly bugged killers

sadako has had her only buff from her rework non functional for multiple years now

[young forum]

they are too busy nerfing unknown again to fix actual bugged killers

[pearl pecan]

he got buffed

[young forum]

Vanishing box got nerfed again

[signal eagle]

That wasn't annual, I was wrong. It was total. It is an absolute ton though, but people act like balance patches are impossible lol

[obtuse berry]

And Dracula

[pearl pecan]

because part of it got added bk

[pearl pecan]

which rework?

[young forum]

no it didn't. vanishing box is the one that gives survivors weakened when they complete a gen. It got nerfed for a second time.

[obtuse berry]

Her second one

[young forum]

vanishing box is pretty bad already before this second nerf.

[obtuse berry]

why are they even touching Dracula and unknown when multiple killers are just completely dead or bugged

Victor still bounces off survivors half the time

deathslinger can’t shoot through gaps anymore

[pearl pecan]

That skull merchant rework is using all their resources

[pearl pecan]

I havent had that happen in a while

[obtuse berry]

if you play at 120fps it happens multiple times a match

[young forum]

aren't they are just making her drones dash at survivors ? giving her a dash power like they do to everyone?

[pearl pecan]

I have mine at 60

[pearl pecan]

I hope its something actually cool, and not that

[austere urchin]

Nobody is talking about the pallet density changes here i feel like.
Theyre just as bad as everything else. a new pallet every 10 meters
Zubat shown here just keeps going "Is this a 50/50? No because I will W to another pallet"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJKVfIX8htA

[runic thorn]

VEE BOONYASAK BREATHES TOO LOUD

[fluid fern]

its clearly bugged

because of 2v8 which has happened before

[austere urchin]

Is it? Devs stated in patch notes its a purposeful change to buff pallet density, so is this really bugged

[fluid fern]

yes it is clearly bugged

the map looks exactly like a 2v8 map

[wooden snow]

is the anti slug and anti tunnel going live or naaaaa i live undauh a rock

[fluid fern]

it tells you if you play the game

[signal eagle]

I mentioned it earlier, it's very much weird. As said, it definitely feels like an unintentional change

[shrewd atlas]

when does myers update drop?

[fierce creek]

23rd most likely

with the new killer and surv

[lyric urchin]

Fix dracula

[past drift]

new tenacity base kit looks balanced enough

[void brook]

Guys is anyone having a glitch in where the round just freezes and disconnects you

[covert summit]

I just want to say this update sucks but if we get shirtless Gabriel it'll be so worth it

[tardy knoll]

if there was one survivor perk i'd want base kit it'd be tenacity

[hasty ridge]

What are Myers best add-ons in the PTB?

[frigid harbor]

We need shirtless felix too

[urban marsh]

Hey guys, whenever I play against the Krasue they can insta destroy the pallet and swing at a survivor. Idk how to do that when I play as it, how do they do it?

[weary pilot]

Do you happen to live in Arizona? I heard theres some turbulent thunderstorms potentially causing Internet outages.

[tawny sable]

Can oblivious survivors see your red stain?

[void brook]

Nope live up west

[clear root]

The award this time goes to SWF #9! congratulations for harboring racist homophobes. A round of applause. @rotund plaza @late cape @queen lintel don’t be shy come deny your accuser. (They had to use alt accounts to hide just fyi) 🙊

[rotund plaza]

no one asked bud go get some friends

[weary pilot]

Oblivious survivors can still see the killer's red stain. They will just be unable to perceive the TR.

[void brook]

[rapid needle]

It’s not going live, they are delaying the anti tunnel and anti slug changes to the future sometimec cuz of backlash, but the content still coming out though

[fluid fern]

Are they using dissolution

[fluid fern]

why is this in PTB discussion

[lofty glen]

fr everytime i come here yall are cooking up smth like that

[lofty glen]

yea ive seen a lot of people using it on krasue and was using it myself too

[clear root]

Why are they assholes?

[lofty glen]

idk but thats not what im trying to figure out when i come to the Dead By Daylight Discord server for #ptb-discussion

i get enough drama from twitter

[glacial pulsar]

Okay

So I'm just glad to see these changes not implemented

Cause holy I woulda quit

[lofty glen]

i think some of them were okay, hook spread incentives and the slugging one to some extent

[proven cradle]

I love Dissolution but it's always been considered a mid perk it seems
I've never been sure of a killer that can use it well, and Krasue is one of those killers I guess
Considering one of the main 'counters' to Head Form is pallets
And that perk makes pallets no longer safe

[lofty glen]

i really dont understand what makes it a good perk on krasue but yea it works for some reason
besides, krasue already has a basekit advantage with pallets cuz she can vault them, tho thats only good for god pallets and long walls

[proven cradle]

although anti-slugging and anti-tunneling is something I feel like should be in the game
The way they did it just feels a bit too punishing in a lot of scenarios

[lofty glen]

yea exactly

less punishing unwanted playstyle and more rewarding intended playstyle how does that sound

[lofty glen]

funny thing you can do on krasue btw is fly through survivors and block them from using pallets to begin with

then you can lunge immediately as well

[pearl pecan]

just stealing wraith and kens thing

[proven cradle]

And also, I feel like unfun play styles and scenarios should be punished for BOTH sides
Not just for killer
If they go that route

[lofty glen]

wraith and ghoul can do it but they get bodyblocked as well, maybe krasue is just a lil bit better
and yea you can get the hit faster afterwards

[proven cradle]

I feel like bully squads should be gutted and removed
They're just not healthy for the game

Idk how they'd do it, but it needs to be done eventually

[lofty glen]

make flashlights charge-based like theyre doing with everything else, how many times are you supposed to blind a killer in a single game? not 8 times thats for sure

[glacial pulsar]

Yeah I tried ptb and got destroyed as a p-70 trapper main and I'm honestly confused

[lofty glen]

but hmm how do you punish survivors, what do you not want them to do?

it feels like their objective is simple, and besides that they either rescue or get chased

[glacial pulsar]

The survivors base kit is too op now honestly

[lofty glen]

theres not a whole lot to punish them for besides being cocky, and that wouldnt be a nerf itd just be kinda lame to punish

[fathom bane]

Imo, head form krause should apply 50% of a leeched level to unleeched survivors instead of 33%
Im running a build and if im unleeched, i can just brute force a heal on a downed survivor while taking FOUR hits from the krause (if she doesn't swap to body form)

Like, im constantly brute forcing heals lmao

[fleet lagoon]

like fast pick up with wglf and other stuff?

[fathom bane]

Yeah

I'vd had three krauses dc on me lmfao, because im just tanking hits while healing them from just downed to 100%

[hazy kraken]

Krasue is so weak I just can't

[fathom bane]

Tldr: In a bully sqaud, krause is stupidly easy to bully

[hazy kraken]

You can't evade flashlights if you pick in head form

[fleet lagoon]

I think interacting with Leeched survivors should automatically make you Leeched 1 like plague

[fathom bane]

Maybe on a hit.
I just find it funny though

[hazy kraken]

You look up or down and still get blinded

[fathom bane]

That an unleeched survivors can tank 3 head form hits without taking damage.
@hazy kraken thats a bug, bhvr have confirmed

[fleet lagoon]

although Leech cannot contaminate gens but there is also no reason to not do that

[hazy kraken]

They'll turn it into fucking feature I feel

[fleet lagoon]

i mean interacting with leeched survivors

[fathom bane]

But the point is. Bug aside. Head form is the superior form to pick up survivors in

So a lot of krauses try do so.
Which is why the brute force works so much

[weary pilot]

Krasue desperately needs a shorter time to transition from head to body for sure

[fleet lagoon]

yeah it's very clunky if you compare to drac

[brittle ore]

I don't think the body form is that strong to justify the transformation time

she can't injury or vault pallets, she's basically a unknown without anyone on the unknown thing

[fleet lagoon]

body form is supposed to activate your head form so maybe it should be in reverse? switching to head form should be the slower one or smth

[weary pilot]

Survivors cleanse Leeched too fast too. It takes a full 60s to go from Leech 1 to 2 and only 20 seconds to cleanse each stage of Leeched.

[fleet lagoon]

so I've read someone's comment some where else, you're supposed to play m1 for a while and empty the resources (some mushrooms spawn on the ground at match start) then you start to go head form

leech 2 isn't really that useful, but reducing the mushrooms available will help massively

[fathom bane]

Imo, im waiting for a fully M1 playstyle

Unlike, plague, you cannot brute force a power reset

As a survivor.
Which means, you can get a guaranteed broken on every survivor

So m1 krause is technically possible

Or more viable then plague anyway.

[weary pilot]

She just needs a faster time to transition back to body form

[tawny sable]

Mushroom spawning shouldnt be tied to swap between body and head

The power counters itself

[fleet lagoon]

it only spawns when you switch to head form so you shouldn't be swapping so often

[tawny sable]

It's not hard to manage, just feels like shit to play from a macro POV

[tacit goblet]

Honestly perma unbreakable should come at the cost of becoming perma broken after taking it

[echo oracle]

is there anyone on the ptb

[rigid axle]

had a ttv survivor complain about lightborn while 3/4 survivors brought flashlights while on the ptb 💔

[hazy kraken]

Surv mains after successfully crying for cancelling the cancellation of anti killer shit https://youtu.be/9REJJ7KJS10?si=cO3b5wsDfk7uRmIo

[distant iris]

no correlation??

[fathom bane]

No!!!
Ur in the wrong for not obeying rule 713 of the Survivors rule book for Killers

[fluid fern]

Plague fountains are typing

[tawny sable]

At least when plague's power counters itself it makes her stronger

[tame rapids]

i have a better question why are randoms dcing so much in the ptb

[cyan imp]

Has this been answered for you yet? If not, you can remove the condemed wire from yourself by releasing someone from a cage of torment. That's the only way to get rid of it.

[young turtle]

Probably because they arent playing the killer they want to play against

[tame rapids]

well even against the new killer, ive played like 2 games as krasue in the ptb, both of them had at least 1 person just disconnect randomly

[young turtle]

I guess its like a fortnite creative map to them

[tame rapids]

they are testing how much they can inflate killer stats before live release

[young turtle]

ive seen so many tiktoks about "me dcing if they arent playing krasue like why are they even playing the ptb" when the ptb was mostly for the anti tunnel and anti slug so id assume theyd wanna see how it would affect their main killer and main perks

[tame rapids]

ptb changes weren't only about the new killer and new survivor

they also reworked myers, changed addons of a few killers, buffed shit maps

and um... even... the already good ones??? they nerfed some god tiles in exchange at least though

[young turtle]

had no idea about the maps

[tame rapids]

it's hard to notice unless you have a ton of hours

but if you're someone that stopped playing with windows of opportunity you'll instantly notice that there's a lot of new / missing things

[fleet lagoon]

I guess we have perma -4% speed on leeched 2

[fickle crane]

I kind of like that you have some control over where mushrooms spawn. Plus, mushrooms can't spawn too close to one another, so you can pretty easily go into head form without worry for spawning more mushrooms

[silent crow]

If the tunnelling and slugging changes aren’t being introduced next patch, are all the perk changes also being delayed? There’s a lot of changes that wouldn’t make sense without those new mechanics

[fleet lagoon]

yea

[raven flume]

I hope so, they completely destroyed some perks and with the update that perks are useless

[fleet lagoon]

I believe only some perks are nerfed to compensate the basekit buffs and some are not, so ex. nurse's calling and hope might still go through

welp not nurses but hope is getting nerfed

[silent crow]

if the perk changes go through killer will still be made more miserable.

they nerfed every meta gen regression - i assume to offset the base kit increased kicks - but without the new mechanics then killers just lose a lot of their influence for nothing in return

[robust crater]

dulled knife addon is probably one of the worst addons ever made

[fickle crane]

I don't think it's that bad. It's not even Krasue's worst add-on

[tame rapids]

well ruin and a few other perks are still getting buffed

[austere urchin]

Would Freddy be strong if he could abuse the extra pallet spaces

[gilded imp]

love the krasue's chase theme, dont think they've missed with recent ones

[viral quest]

removing god fillers from suffocation map was a terrible decision and trapper 1v1 sets became utterly unplayable

there were no reasons for this action and i dont believe there was a voting for this

and if this comes out of ptb im probably quitting this absolutely shiddy game

[austere urchin]

Embrace the awful map and main Freddy. 500 new pallets? More like 500 new fake pallet spots

[viral quest]

im a ladder player

[viral quest]

im not someone who would like to play pubs past 1000 hours and not improve

dbd is way to mechanical to reach the skill ceiling with pubs

they claim to support dbd league and then ruin what theyre known for which 1v1s

having no god fillers means after the shack is dropped ur condemnded to play disgusting 50/50 palletes and tiles

[raven flume]

As a killer main we don’t need map that’s have a bunch of god pallets honestly really tired of seeing the game lean towards making survivor easier when it should be the other way around

[marble bridge]

Naa tbh killer is easy if you know how to play it like for christ sake i could load up a match of killer in grade 1 against the sweatiest people and play houndmaster and get a 4k

[raven flume]

You must not play killer often enough because it’s not always as easy as you think lmao

[marble bridge]

Im a slinger main and have him p84

I think im a killer main also play blight with him at p57

[raven flume]

High prestige and ranking doesn’t mean shit bud, I’ve met lots of p100 killers an survivors that think they’re the shit but can survive in a chase for more than 20 seconds and the killers can’t win a chase in less than 20 seconds

[marble bridge]

Well im grade 1

[raven flume]

U r most likely a kid and thats why u have high prestige doesn’t make u a good killer nor does it mean u know what ur talking about if u did then youd see where i was coming from. You have much too learn young padawan slinger is a good choice btw 🤙🏻

[raven flume]

Me too on killer an survivor an I suck at survivor, ranks don’t mean shit kid you can rank up if you put in enough time

[marble bridge]

Bruh this guy im 15 and i dont see the problem i never said i was good i just said i could beat a 1v4 on grade 1 lobbys wi5h houndmaster

Well put it this way im saying here that im good bc i have ego and i look at my hours and its 1072hours so thats why i have an ego

+im 15 i dont know any better but to brag and showoff

[raven flume]

You should know better especially after a boneheaded ass comment like that

[marble bridge]

Bro get the fuckin point i pulled the white flag im not argueing with a 21 year old that has no life but on a game

[lethal kelp]

There are a couple map changes that might be really bad that will not be corrected and make it to the game because everyone was so busy with the tunneling/slugging changes + new Killer

[light arrow]

Even if I didn't like the new Myers mechanics at all, I really hope we find a solution to the tuning. A change is needed, that's clear.

[pearl pecan]

so pissy lmao

[obsidian edge]

with the people using the speed glitches will they be banned? its ruining every game

[indigo quartz]

where can i leave actual ptb feedback, is there a section on the forums?

[hazy kraken]

So even tho anti killer stuff postponed, the ptb still the same or updated?

[lofty glen]

still the same

[fleet lagoon]

no

[raven flume]

Don't lie. Don't mess it up for us when the update goes live just because you all want to kiss up and kiss dirty asses that's hairy and uncleaned. Be considerate and think about us too. They aren't going to give any of you a medal for that

[hazy kraken]

how should we tell him boys?

[true apex]

The pellet spread is deranged

[lethal kelp]

Indeed

[true apex]

Most of them are being delayed as well

[snow tusk]

KEKW

[hazy kraken]

I feel like it should've buff killer instead of survivor... like give krasue 10% haste

[acoustic mauve]

Leatherface needed a rework more than Myers tbh

[hazy kraken]

And I've got -rep steam profile comment from him so it's a huge win to me lol

Love -rep comments

[fleet lagoon]

they're gonna sleep with eyes open tonight thinking about what you did

[snow tusk]

Leave Bubba alone. Bubba does what he pleases

[shy idol]

When does the chapter release again?

[hazy kraken]

From what they've typed in chat they're lol

[fleet lagoon]

23rd

[acoustic mauve]

I'm just saying, tantrum should get replaced with something else

[snow pewter]

The chain sweep is fine wytb

[shy idol]

Thx

[acoustic mauve]

I'm more so talking about tantrum, and how extending the swing works

[fleet lagoon]

I think he should be able to shred down the locker doors and grab survivor out

[snow pewter]

Definitely not

[snow pewter]

Then he wouldn’t have any counter play then? Lmao

[ancient viper]

literally have someone in my xbox dms saying that too XD

[tame rapids]

is there a way i can send an image here?

[hazy kraken]

Be active on server and when you see your nickname get same colour as mine, you'll be able to

[hazy kraken]

Bubba should break the lockers with chainsaw

[tame rapids]

it should only damage for 1 health state and put you on chainsaw cooldown after hitting

if you keep holding the chainsaw charge for too long

[elfin cliff]

He should be able to throw his chainsaw(it should have aimbot) and kill any survivor in the way(not even down them just straight up killing them)

[frigid briar]

Slinger instakills you with headshots

[spark pawn]

pyrimad head should be able to rhino charge at people

[stray rivet]

I heard enough, nerf hag

[stray rivet]

Headshots should give exposed ~~Trusting the team enough to correctly do hitboxes ~~

missing with deathslinger should give you exposed (survivors can come jump you)

[zealous ember]

Ok so i just noticed something from springtrap i could be stupid and think that its a glitch but his footsteps sounds more quieter.

[empty sedge]

anyone else not able to got into stalk mode as myers ?

[plain osprey]

Is Gary banned from the server

[frigid briar]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-dog-hug-dog-question-mark-dog-question-mark-gif-14144426802562365039

[hazy kraken]

Lol. Hope they left you a -rep comment as a gift. I love those

[frigid briar]

Got my comments enabled just wishing for these

[hazy kraken]

Anyway ig nothing changed on ptb since that announcement?

[frigid briar]

This is how bro plays btw

even bots don't play like this

[hazy kraken]

Damn, I think I would down him there even without teleport

[frigid briar]

Meh, it's funnier this way

Cus honestly there's nothing you can do in this particular scenario, this is a hit

But the fact you run yourself into this and then complain in egc? Brother I have 0 slowdown and everyone is dead on 4 gens

[hazy kraken]

And it's not even ghoul

[frigid briar]

Honestly, I'm having super quick games right now and don't notice any penalties for killing survivors fast, let me check my footage

[faint spire]

Question how come they haven't added Jason yet from Friday the 13th? Is it licensing or?

[frigid briar]

Nvm, somehow getting unique hooks, gonna have to try more

[hazy kraken]

I think you also having survs that boosting killrates on ptb so devs will bring more benefits to them on live

[frigid briar]

Oh wow, people genuinely have to wallhack against dredge

Like, yes dude I see your aura I see you're looking directly at me through 5 walls on hawkins

[hazy kraken]

Damn

[frigid briar]

I didn't know they added a perk that permanently reveals my aura or something

While the survivor is just running circles around a pallet 30 miles away

[hazy kraken]

They just boosted their eye of Belmont lol

[frigid briar]

I'd play Singularity but it feels like easy mode ngl

Don't even know what perks to build bc he's just that good

Does Hubris even work in overclock?

[hazy kraken]

No idea

Guess ptb still has all those handholding mechanics and legal cheat bugs?

[frigid briar]

I mean, yeah? There's still the bug that counts a surv going from struggle to sacrifice on hook as getting killed and applies the penalty?

[hazy kraken]

Damn

[frigid briar]

And why tf did they think it's a good idea to have 2v8 running along with PTB? Every second lobby gets a "dedicated server not responding"

[hazy kraken]

I would download it again to play with some skins I'm banned from buying directly but with bullshit I've already saw...

[frigid briar]

Junji Ito dredge?

Oh wait you're our elephant too

[hazy kraken]

Any licensed skin

Any skin locked behind auric cells only

[frigid briar]

I want the Ito Dredge skin so bad bro

[hazy kraken]

Kinda, but red green white one🇧🇾

[frigid briar]

GOOOOAAAAALLLLLLLL

I mean people say VPNs work but I haven't had any luck

[hazy kraken]

Well, at least I need no VPN to play the game

[frigid briar]

Real, at least the game isn't regionlocked

[hazy kraken]

Like mk1...

[lethal robin]

hackers are a real problem in dbd

True, in a round when Oni was the survivor, he moved away from the TP and had a speed boost and threw a pallet to destroy it, suddenly I was bugged.

I think you really need to program an anti-hack so that it looks like it recognizes that the person is moving faster than usual or tp and reports him directly

[frigid briar]

me when the anticheat is not the commercial version

It's a shame that it takes the developers getting affected by these issues firsthand to recognize them

[lethal robin]

Yes

ok but I have to admit I used to hack games

[gritty flume]

https://tenor.com/view/page-needs-a-hero-hero-uncanny-gif-27508652

[rancid jackal]

is that who i think it is…

[dusky jay]

dude why has every survivor got the ability to speedhack, the ptb is broken

[stark summit]

The changes of the PTB aren't even going live. They said they'll revisit the changes in a future ptb

[dusky jay]

thank goodness

i would lose my mind XD

[stark summit]

If the discord will allow me, Ill copy and paste what they said on the FB

[dusky jay]

thanks mate

[stark summit]

"Before we break for the weekend, we wanted to update folks on the ongoing PTB discussions which we have been following very closely since last week’s Dev Update.

We have heard you clearly that the current implementation of the Tunneling Reduction and Slugging Reduction Systems players have been testing this week feels too punishing for Killers.

For the release of Sinister Grace, we will hold back those features (and their associated perk changes) to iterate on some adjustments based on your feedback. We will test these features again in an upcoming PTB and will release them live when we believe they are ready.

Thank you for your participation in our crucial testing process, and stay tuned for future updates as they progress."

[arctic light]

insert LeBron celebration gif

[dusky jay]

agreed, I appriciate it soledread

[arctic light]

I saw it so fast when they announced that the post on insta was like 2 mins old

[stark summit]

You're welcome! I saw people still talking about it and assumed maybe you guys hadn't heard about it so I wanted to share it lol

[dusky jay]

yeahh i hope they fix the broken perks before the next ptb at least

[arctic light]

They need to do fixes/changes in a smaller list load compared to what they were trying in the ptb

[stark summit]

I think they should have done the new killer and survivor in a seperate ptb. Because I dont know who in their right mind decided it was a good idea to go "We have these massive changes to check out, but here's a new killer and survivor for you!"

[dusky jay]

yeah its all so overwhelming

[arctic light]

Cuz not only are you testing reworked killers and new killer/survivor, you have to test these huge game changing mechanics

[stark summit]

It wasnt even on track with their roadmap, which is my frustration. They had plans for these changes set for October-January according to it. But ofc, they rushed it.

[arctic light]

Yeah :/

[stark summit]

I stopped playing the PTB after the first day because all I was getting were DCs or Bullies. I had to literally run lightborn on every single killer I played, and most of the time, I wouldn't be able to play because I wasnt running Krasue and people didn't want to play against anybody but her

[dusky jay]

yeah, its clear that survivors have the upperhand with the new buffs they recieved. And Michael Myers originality got absolutely destroyed. He's just an insta-down Chucky now

[dusky jay]

yeah i got death threats for wanting to try out different killers i dont have on the actual game

[arctic light]

I talked about this a couple of days ago on here, but I was getting a lot of players who were thinking “why are you playing anything BUT the new characters.”

[stark summit]

Dude, don't get me started on the Myers changes. It pisses me off so badly. They already tried this mode-switching shit with Doctor, and nobody liked it. I see everyone saying "Just run tuft of hair". I dont want to waste an Add-on slot to play the killer as he originally was. If they were so confident in their changes why is that an option. And why could you disable them in customs. It speaks volumes.

[dusky jay]

its so dumb that you're apperantly not allowed to play ANYTHING ELSE but the new killer

[dusky jay]

NOBODY asked for the changes, they just wanted to nerf tombstone.

[arctic light]

The only thing I kinda liked was the switching, that’s about it, kinda nice not worrying about 99ing then accidentally 100%ing. Other than that the changes were pure ass

[dusky jay]

I agree

[arctic light]

played some of my mains to see how I would have to change my play style for the new gameplay changes and the amount of dcs I’ve gotten and or salt messages

[stark summit]

I didnt run Myers with Tombstone or anything, so Im mostly unaffected, but its just such a hassle to switch back and forth for me, I think. I run Scratched Mirror.

[arctic light]

Scratch mirror is so fun lowkey

[dusky jay]

Scratched mirror was just what the game should be.

[stark summit]

My fiancé runs Deathslinger as his main, but he was getting a lot of bullies, hate messages, death threats, and shit like that for running him. He started running Legion (which hes extremely good at) and that pissed people off more lmao

[dusky jay]

Yeah, that as well as the conviction bug and the fact that you CANNOT get a 4k if the survivors have more than 50 hours

[weary jackal]

As someone who's been on the Myers train since day 1 I am a big fan of this rework

He has needed very significant changes for years now

[dusky jay]

I understand why some do like it, but it's so boring for him to get the same ability as every other killer

[stark summit]

What are you opinions on it? I just dont like the mode switching personally, but he definitely needed/needs a better lunge

[dusky jay]

My main issue with it is how unrealistic it is. I'm a huge fan of the movies, and when have you ever seen Myers run across half the world and getting a touchdown

[weary jackal]

The things I'd change are:

Be able to enter stealth even when evil incarnate is ready

Revert Stalk nerf back to 40m

Remove slowdown upon entering evil incarnate

Increase move speed on stalker mode to 110

[stark summit]

🤣 that mental image is hilarious

[weary jackal]

I understand this complaint but Myers needed any sort of chase power/anti loop very badly

[dusky jay]

Yeah I agree

[arctic light]

I think the most frustrating thing I’ve had happen in the ptb was the gaslighting. Had lots of moments where someone was exploiting a bug and when either I would, or their teammates would call it out they would just deflect to “it doesn’t matter it’s the ptb” or “go touch grass” shit like that

[weary jackal]

Coup was already one of his best perk this makes total sense imo

I am also very glad he can shred through pallets and walls now

[dusky jay]

literally every single gane

[stark summit]

100%. Hes not fast enough even with PWYF, but with Scratched Mirror, I usually can do pretty well since I can always see where everyone is. But they definitely changed how far is aura-reading is at some point. Don't know when, but I cant see anyone unless Im like 2 steps behind them now

[dusky jay]

It makes sense that he would just smash through walls and pallets tbh, but the animations are also just so goofy

[weary jackal]

The mode switching is my favorite part of the rework personally. Having toggleable stealth feels amazing.

[dusky jay]

Agreed

[arctic light]

I just see a whole lot of “oh it shouldn’t matter, you shouldn’t be doing this because it’s the ptb” it’s just mind boggling

[weary jackal]

Yes the animation needs some serious changes it looks very weird lmao

[arctic light]

Most of the rework is fantastic, just take away the dash

Speaking of Myers I wish we had more cosmetics

[stark summit]

I was having problems with Survs interrupting chase after coming off hook. Sure they couldnt body block me, but they could take a hit, especially when they were refusing to heal. It was insane the amount of indirect body blocking I was getting.

[dusky jay]

Like they won't even get any punishments cause' it's the ptb. I just want to have fun and try out new killers and perks that I don't have on the actual game. It can't be fun for either side.

[weary jackal]

He needs the anti loop I just think they need to make it less jank

Maybe just go back to exposing people during t3 and give him a gigantic lunge equal to the distance of slaughtering strike? Or if they wanna keep it as an m2, give us free control over the camera and just make it feel like a lunge.

Also keep the pallet/wall breaking

[dusky jay]

That's fair

[weary jackal]

I've been begging for cosmetics based on the new trilogy

Old Laurie and Myers with like a half burnt mask/clothes would go so insanely hard

[arctic light]

That or at least a bandaged up face would look so sick with the hospital gown

[stark summit]

I never had a problem with like the exposure or tombstone when I ran survivor against a Myers. I personally enjoyed it because it made it even more terrifying and scary. I liked that about Myers. He was like the only actual scary killer in dbd that you had to worry about and learn how to counter

[arctic light]

That would be amazing

[weary jackal]

New Myers can still jumpscare people they just gotta make it so u can go into stealth even when u have evil incarnate ready

[arctic light]

This is just me, but for mask cosmetics, would be cool to have all of em, even the stupid looking ones

[weary jackal]

Imagine sneaking up on someone and they get basekit tombstone'd 😭

[weary jackal]

New tombstone piece is like actually nasty bc of this

[stark summit]

🤣 that would be funny. All I see in my head is a Video from Slate, where an Obnoxious Bill got tombstoned in a doorway after he kept blocking them for most of that match lmao "He died doing what he loves, being an inconvenience"

[paper dock]

That clip is fucking gold lol

[arctic light]

I love that clip

[stark summit]

It forever in my head when I see a Bill lmao

I just saw someone in General Chat asking when Ghostface is getting a dash attack😂 I dont think he needs one he can already just about lunge at you from around a corner

[stark summit]

Gotta love the major speed they somehow magically get lmao

[arctic light]

Woah woah woah wtf

[frigid briar]

that's cheating

far as i know they didn't buff lithe

[stark summit]

Lmao, Ik, I was making a joke about it. Seriously though, the devs need to get a handle on the hackers in their game. Probably never will though

[raven flume]

behaviour should’ve kept the killer 6 hook thing

[frigid briar]

EAT free version lmao

[frigid briar]

more like insanity

[stark summit]

Why? Genuinely asking

[frigid briar]

Because survivor main

[stark summit]

Fair enough, Id understand like 4, but 6 is a bit much. Thats not tunneling at that point

[arctic light]

Because killers kill so we should give survivors mori to kill the killers (I’m kidding btw)

[jolly topaz]

Give the survivors a 50. Cal at this point

[arctic light]

I heard enough, abort victor and nerf pig so she can’t kill people

[stark summit]

I love Twins😭 I feel so bad that they always get the shitty hand with every single update

[plucky talon]

You didn't even hesitate 😭 just straight up left

[arctic light]

Lowkey one of those killers that they seem to not even care about anymore

[raven flume]

because i said so

[arctic light]

Like it looks like they check every killer for new major gameplay changes but never check on twins

[raven flume]

i’m better then u grandma 1v1 me

[arctic light]

If you do can I watch?

[raven flume]

yes

[stark summit]

Twins is so unique too. There's not one single killer that works together as 2 besides them. And we got another ragebaiter lmao

[arctic light]

Yay

[raven flume]

🔥

[raven flume]

twins are still garbage i haven’t played against twins since springtraps release

[arctic light]

Yeah, it sucks cuz twins is such an interesting concept of a killer, also out of curiosity cuz I’ve never seen it. How exactly does a 1v1 work in dbd? 😭