pvp

[mild thunder]

and then i'll talk to you

[worthy fern]

warrior has always been simple

[mild thunder]

because you're being a retardd and interrupting

[worthy fern]

but the spec flows

better to be flooded with rage than starved

because weve been starved before and it sucks

[wheat jay]

Remember nathria with condemn spam?

[worthy fern]

i would say the ONLY design flaw

is rage spender fillers being shit

slam

slams gotta go

[mild thunder]

there are plenty of specs right now that still manage their resources - management of resources can take multiple shapes, but generally it's something that limits what you can do, caps your APM, forces you to think about it etc... as of right now, arms does not have a resource that limits anything it wants to do

arms' only limit is globals

[wheat jay]

That's basically rend now

[worthy fern]

arms finesse in pvp has always been about uptime, defensive and utility usage

not wasting mobility etc

[frank knoll]

You had to min max rage spending for TOM in PvE

Nylotha era

[mild thunder]

do you think specs should be designed for pvp?

[worthy fern]

no

[wheat jay]

Stop cappin' you just spammed whirlwind or execute

[worthy fern]

in pve

[mild thunder]

ok, so this is irrevelant

[worthy fern]

you can go EP and focus on building fat mortals

[frank knoll]

I mean I had an add on

[worthy fern]

you can go TOM

[mild thunder]

no, you dont

[worthy fern]

and focus on that

[frank knoll]

Ramp of TOM for the execute phase

[worthy fern]

im not saying that these things are tuned well

[mild thunder]

the problem with arms is that the modifiers are largely irrelevant

[worthy fern]

but they exist

[mild thunder]

just like resources

[wheat jay]

Still, it was spamming either whirlwind or exe

[frank knoll]

Isn’t TOM mega nerfed in PvP

[worthy fern]

EP is the best addition to arms in the last 10 years

[wheat jay]

Its nerfed overall

[worthy fern]

and they need to tune it well

[mild thunder]

EP is probably the one remotely good thing arms has gotten in DF

everything else sucks

[wheat jay]

Remember when EP was 75% per stack?

[worthy fern]

unhinged is goated too

[wheat jay]

Fun times

[worthy fern]

but poorly tuned

[mild thunder]

so goated it's never been taken in pve

and it never will because it's just a weird design that doesnt fit any pve encounter

[worthy fern]

except when it was invented in tos

[wheat jay]

Wasnt it played in tomb of sargeras?

[worthy fern]

and it pumped

[wheat jay]

Galachad

[worthy fern]

when MS actually hit hard

[wheat jay]

I'm fairly sure it was

[worthy fern]

on its own

[wheat jay]

Cuz you played ravager that tier too

[worthy fern]

ravager multi target bs st

[wheat jay]

Ravager and unhinged

[worthy fern]

i dont want to argue about this again artji

dont start

[wheat jay]

Im not starting anything, unless you had new legendary, you played ravager

Still, point is that it was played in pve, both unhinged and ravager iirc

[worthy fern]

yea well anyone who was raiding had new lege

ofc

[wheat jay]

I didnt

Many others didnt either, and iirc it was played during rwf too

I rest my case

[worthy fern]

we actually had potential during ptr or beta i cant remember for us to get that build again but then they made unhinged and hurricane a choice node

[wheat jay]

Other build was far ahead in antorus tho

Ye

Sadly

[worthy fern]

sad

[wheat jay]

I still wish for FR to return

[worthy fern]

FR was bad design

[lavish quest]

For Honor?

[wheat jay]

It was fun design

[lavish quest]

[wheat jay]

Dead

It was fun, high apm playstyle, that was very rewarding

Synergized well with mastery too

[worthy fern]

a button that does nothing but spend rage is bad

off global too irrc

[wheat jay]

It was a button to spend excessive rage

[mild thunder]

what? im leaving this conversation to preserve brain-cells

[wheat jay]

And that meant you had to manage rage at all times

[wheat jay]

Unhinged was played in pve

[mild thunder]

also wtf was that message kargish tagged me in last night lmao

[worthy fern]

legion design of tactician procs resetting csmash was sick though

[mild thunder]

idc

[wheat jay]

? Wtf

[worthy fern]

and ep being a buff on yourself not the enemy

[wheat jay]

It was

[mild thunder]

both

[worthy fern]

cleave executes to buff a fat ms on main target

[wheat jay]

And warbreaker being a separate skill was fun too

[worthy fern]

ye

[wheat jay]

Cleave/whirlwind interaction

Small thing but it just buffed next ww

[wheat jay]

I swear kargo is getting weirder by the day xD

[worthy fern]

sometimes you would get the perfect interaction of two sd procs into csmash reset into fat mortal with cds up

oh battle cry too

[wheat jay]

Ye ye haha

Battle cry was the simplest cd in the game

[mild thunder]

what queueing kfc does to a man

[wheat jay]

Quite the opposite

When we played regularly he was normal

[scarlet barn]

@fickle forge explain

[worthy fern]

What resource does frost mage have to pay attention to @wheat jay

Or fire mage

[wheat jay]

None iirc

Just procs and stacks i guess

[mild thunder]

hot streaks acts as a resource for fire mage, as well as fire blast/phoenix fucker charges

frost idk, they're a retardd spec

[wheat jay]

So like overpower having 2 charges?

[mild thunder]

you know what the difference is, right?

[wheat jay]

Mage is gae and warr is not

[mild thunder]

you can actually fuck up fire resources... it's impossible to run out of overpower because literally every button you press resets it

and pressing overpower resets mortal strike

and grants you rage

which you cant even use most of the time lmao

but yea keep coping that arms design is great

[lavish quest]

Arms is the height of skill

[worthy fern]

Fire literally just endless spams fire blast pyro

So hard to do

[mild thunder]

let me guess, you played fire in-depth too

[wheat jay]

Tek played lots of classes that's for sure

He tried every possible way of boosting scooberz

[mystic prairie]

xd

[worthy fern]

You know what frost dk is probably the only spec that actually manages resources in pve with bos

Which is unfun to a lot of ppl

Some really like it though

[fickle forge]

Too long to explain

[worthy fern]

When you talk about like hot streak and shit like that it’s all rotational

And sure some specs have harder rotations but I wouldn’t consider that a resource

[sharp meteor]

Ah yes three flavors of mage

I'll go with the -150 cr option

[lavish quest]

Just uninstall already

[sharp meteor]

Leaving doesn't reduce mmr so I'd uninronically dip on that every time. 😁

[mystic prairie]

killed arcane twice so was going 2-2, then the monk left the game and it ended with unchanged cr

[sharp meteor]

LMAO

Nice.

[lavish quest]

Thought they fixed that?

[sharp meteor]

Um. Kind of. There's a bit of a misunderstanding as to how mmr is handled.

You can't simply deduct mmr from players for leaving.

MMR losses are incurred from...losses. If you see a 0-6 lobby and leave before it starts you lose 150 CR but no MMR.

If leaving docked 150 mmr then top of the healer ladder would be like 2200

[lavish quest]

Damn this game is dumb

[sharp meteor]

It's k, most people don't know

[mild thunder]

least toxic tank player

[sharp meteor]

It's pretty rare that I'll actually do that.

Lobby has to be an actual trainwreck.

[mild thunder]

🧢

[sharp meteor]

Also interesting tidbit but if you leave a lobby to knock yourself below 1500 it lets you get 96 points per win

if you wanna go from like 1450 to 1950 in one lobby

[mild thunder]

this is illegal knowledge

season of discovery seems kinda dope

[sharp meteor]

It gets better; losses aren't losses until the round resets, so if you or a teammate dies you can leave with no mmr loss if you do it before you're moved back to the starting room.

[mild thunder]

STOP

[sharp meteor]

Never. Also it's unreal that we're just about to go into s3 and are still missing 5 (five) shuffle maps.

Need hook point to counteract the caster menace more than ever.

[mild thunder]

dude i just want 3s meta to be fixed

literally dont care about anything else

im gonna become a pve andy next season because i cba with how cringe it is now

[sharp meteor]

Ready for another season of retwarr and auggie?

[mild thunder]

stop

im 2300 in 3s now btw

[sharp meteor]

Same, at least initially.

[sharp meteor]

You've still got time, brother.

[mild thunder]

cba pushing back up to finish glad, the games are actually so unfun

and we've been playing supremely retardedd because we're trying to non-comms but also completely changing our playstyle

i cant even play sv/aug cause that comp legit sucks

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, I'd offer but it does kind of blow.

I novoiced but we're a donothing pve comp.

[mild thunder]

no voice is usually fine

[sharp meteor]

If we overlap too many times gg go next.

[mild thunder]

but no-voicing and then wanting to approach every game completely differently to normal with no prep is not fine

@sharp meteor reroll ret so we can play cupid plsnty

[sharp meteor]

It's basically a tank spec so yeah maybe I'll give it a whirl next season.

[pine pine]

Ret is fun, but ret/surv is def the worst version of cupid lol

[mild thunder]

get ready to play arms support spec in 11.0

[mild thunder]

no one was saying it wasnt lol

[sage raptor]

I miss her

[worthy fern]

Watching a passive drain life channel on this sod stream

Just press it and do other things

[sharp meteor]

@fallen estuary

The Mages aren't enough.

[fallen estuary]

i wish i had good luck

lmao

[scarlet flame]

You mean you wish you were good enough

[fallen estuary]

well ofc im not as good as kennie lmao hes legit r1

[warm portal]

I was actually in here and that was mis

[sharp meteor]

It was quite something.

[scarlet flame]

so its not luck you just suck lmao

[fallen estuary]

i suck in terms of competing with kennie lol but against you im miles ahead of you

[scarlet flame]

right right

[fallen estuary]

right right

[scarlet flame]

you suck in terms of competing in general is what you mean

is this supposed to be anduin lmfao

[fallen estuary]

uh huh so youre stuck 1800s and im 2400 and you are saying i suck in competing lmao

and thats not anduin thats a skinwalker

[scarlet flame]

im not stuck 1800 wym

i haven't logged in to grind rating in over 2 months and i never got hardstuck at any rating i was sitting on

you're the guy who's been hardstuck 1900 as prot crying and bitching about mages for months

[fallen estuary]

sorry 1801

[fallen estuary]

right right

[fallen estuary]

caster meta ye

[scarlet flame]

yes i haven't logged in to play pvp in 2 months

[fallen estuary]

cause you rage quitted

[scarlet flame]

caster meta while sub rogue and dk and ww monk exist

no i just played other games

[fallen estuary]

right right

[scarlet flame]

because grinding pvp rating isn't my life

bg3 starfield smite all games i played instead of wow

[fallen estuary]

all trash games

havent played quake

[scarlet flame]

no i haven't played quake before

[fallen estuary]

[scarlet flame]

not my kinda game

[fallen estuary]

so you consume bethesdaslop all day long

fr you never played daggerfall

[scarlet flame]

the only bethesda game i've ever played was starfield

[fallen estuary]

lemmie guess

you never played RE4

original on hardware

[scarlet flame]

no

done like RE games

[fallen estuary]

ngl thats depressing

ok

2nd guess

you play racing games and fifa

[scarlet flame]

i told you the games i play

i also have 15k hours in poe

[fallen estuary]

so thos games beside wow you only played in your life

ok POE is an exception

[mild thunder]

Top 3 smite gods by playtime

[fallen estuary]

smites so fucking boring looking

[mild thunder]

You play prot lmao

[fallen estuary]

and i dont play a F2P game that aussies play 24/7

[mild thunder]

Dude they need to unban retardd and cuckk

I can’t say anything

[mild thunder]

Smite is dead in oce

There’s like ten of us

[fallen estuary]

like dawg LMAO smite looks like it was built in a week off of unity assets LOL

good

[mild thunder]

What’s the point of talking to Dabdaddy if I can’t use any of the good insults

L skyhold

[fallen estuary]

insult a dead game LOL dont need to insult it when the game itself is a insult

[scarlet flame]

sec @galachadwd

[violet fossil]

jes

the whole character looks different aside from the obvious face and stuff

like doesn’t even resemble him anymore

[mild thunder]

Man, characters grow older wtffff

[scarlet flame]

@mild thunder susano ama thor probably top 3

[mild thunder]

Not bad

Amaterasu sundress skin is peak smite no cap fr fr ong

[scarlet flame]

it is good

[mild thunder]

My top 3 are awilix, Susano, ullr

[scarlet flame]

ullr up there too

https://smite.guru/profile/717370397-Vtuberfeet/casual my second account

[mild thunder]

I think I’m at like 8 stars total across all my accounts on ullr

I still suck

[mild thunder]

@spice hornet what’s your thesis on the WoW announcements

[thick reef]

vers mast or vers haste as fury for pvp?

[low cobalt]

No arms rework im sad

[sharp meteor]

Mastery.

[mild thunder]

But arms is the best designed spec in the world with absolutely no flaws

[spice hornet]

Cata: KEKW
SoD: this is where all the classic people will be
Retail expac: didn’t see anything bad but didn’t see anything amazing either, but I will play

[mild thunder]

Fair enough

I’m 100% gonna check out SoD, cba with cata

Retail stuff all looked cool imo… warbands are about damned time

[spice hornet]

Yup nothing bad

Allied race didn’t seem too exciting

I was hoping for an undead model

Allied race

0 reason to play cata with wrath over and SoD coming

I feel like expacs are about to be shorter

Why else would they announce the next 3

[mild thunder]

Yea this was a bit of a meme lol

[mild thunder]

I can defs see this going multiple ways… either shorter xpacs to pump out more content or having a 3 xpac announcement to revitalise the fan-base and cement the idea that WoW is still a priority going forward

Really too early to tell imo

[spice hornet]

yup yup

[spice hornet]

it looks like an extra customization for dark iron dwarves

lmao

[mild thunder]

I guess if you’re a hordie you’re happy

I just wanna know what the racials are

Cross-realm guilds is pog

I have a feral named Garfield on caelestrasz that I’ve never really been able to play since it’s a different realm

And Mehrunes my warlock

[simple rock]

obligatory glad post

least enjoyable meta for me so far in retail

i'm putting this game on ice till aug isn't the most obnoxious spec of all time

[glossy sable]

Few days left

[glacial shale]

what pure evil looks like

[glossy sable]

^

[mild thunder]

man, this art is sick

anduin getting his warrior vibe going o7

[wheat jay]

Man's going through his depression arc

[mild thunder]

it's objectively cool, dipshitt

[green anchor]

https://i.imgur.com/fJyZsqE.png

[wheat jay]

It is, he's still looking like he lost his job at gas station and is depressed tho

[mild thunder]

he's just like us now

ryan gosling should play anduin in the next warcraft movie so he can be the subject of all the "literally me" edits

[wheat jay]

Lmao

Id watch that

[mild thunder]

literally me

[wheat jay]

Man i'm having class identity crisis

Do i sv or do i dh

[mild thunder]

sv

[wheat jay]

For pve and pvp

Smh

[mild thunder]

embrace the anti-meta

sv will never be meta again (in 3s)

[wheat jay]

Sadga

Dh will be meta tho

Hmmm

[mild thunder]

metacuck

nah dh is ok

try feral

become cat

[wheat jay]

Im not a furry

You disgusting animal

I might swap my hunter to nelf, I'll see

Cuz man nelf is nice

[mild thunder]

yea same, im going for fem nelf next season

my ww, rogue and druid already are

[wheat jay]

Lol

Nelf has such a nice sprinting animation man

[mild thunder]

it's just a clean model

im fem orc right now, and they're okay too

just kinda boring

[wheat jay]

Male orc better sprint

[mild thunder]

what are you now?

[wheat jay]

Male orc

[mild thunder]

eh

[wheat jay]

Used to be belf

[mild thunder]

fair enough

imma have my all nelf warband in 11.0

[wheat jay]

My nelf dh is cute af

Nelf got that dommy mommy model

Belf got that petite model

[mild thunder]

mannnn, should i try and finish off my glad?

[wheat jay]

Like 3 days left?

[mild thunder]

only problem with female dh is i hate the meta models they use

[wheat jay]

True

[mild thunder]

i need to climb back 100 rating and then finish 25 wins kekw

there's probably enough time

but

[wheat jay]

Doable

Id say go for it

Cuz why not

[mild thunder]

ye probs

[wheat jay]

What is there to lose

You either get it or you dont

[mild thunder]

my will to live

versing all these augvoker/ret warr teams

[wheat jay]

But you won't be mad that you didnt try

[mild thunder]

true, and then imma take a break from pvp until they do some proper tuning for 10.2

cause that shit gonna be wack

[wheat jay]

Lmao

[mild thunder]

doesnt have to be a perfect fairytale season, but it's legit gonna be unplayable for a month

unless you're an uber meta spec

[wheat jay]

Imma have to weave as many m+ runs on both dh and survi as possible

Cuz i might raid, but not at the start of the patch

[mild thunder]

imma be enjoying raid and m+ on feral

[wheat jay]

We all were there manduin, we all were there

[near delta]

Anduin been through some shit

[mild thunder]

i miss zereth mortis tho

peak af zone

[near delta]

The feral in my raid does absolutely absurd damage

[mild thunder]

and im not sorry for saying it

[mild thunder]

it can pump if you're willing to get into it, defs my favourite spec rn

for pve

[near delta]

Yeah he always gets like orange or pink parses

[mild thunder]

chad

[near delta]

p much

[wheat jay]

Zereth was fun

[mild thunder]

imma be rocking them grey parses fr fr ong no cap on the stack

[wheat jay]

The maw first two weeks was super fun as well

When everything was oneshotting you

Maw was the most dangerous zone since god knows when

Everything could kill you, you could fall downe

And if you used inky black potion it was also the spookiest zone

10/10 design, 1/10 systems and grind

[mild thunder]

yea i liked the maw

korthia was cringe

[wheat jay]

Maw could have been the best zone ever made if not for the grind

[mild thunder]

maldraxxus probs the worst zone in the history of wow

ooooooh green

[wheat jay]

Nah

Kyrian zone

[mild thunder]

??

[wheat jay]

Too bright

[mild thunder]

bastion was sick

[wheat jay]

Fuck that

Too bright

[mild thunder]

ok ye besides the blurring lights

[wheat jay]

I liked revendreth a lot

Especially for wpvp

[mild thunder]

but i play on low af brightness and maxed out bluelight filter most of the time

[wheat jay]

I spent days there

[mild thunder]

revendreth was just cringe before flying

[wheat jay]

Nah

Vertical design was goated for pvp

Jumping off a castle to land with heroic leap on someone's head

And my feral asking wtf am i doing not using glider

10/10

My best pvp wow experience

[near delta]

I thought feral was way better in pve than it was cause I only saw him play it lol

I miss the early SL days tbh

Except for torghast that sucked

[wheat jay]

I used to be 99 parser

Wtf happened to me man

[mild thunder]

real

SL was peak time

mostly just cause life was chill for me

[near delta]

But that was also around the time I started playing

So nostalgia lol

[mild thunder]

ye i gotcha

[near delta]

Yeah covid was super chill but sucky

[mild thunder]

it was also when i came back

dude i loved covid times

wfh

got up, logged on, played wow for a few hours, did the bare minimum, played more wow, logged off, played wow

would wake up 3 minutes before my shift and sleep on lunch breaks

lazy yes, but it was chill

[wheat jay]

It was a peaceful life

[magic wing]

In mythic ?

[wheat jay]

No

I did have 99 on nerzhul as survival, but fucking shaman forgot to log the fight

[magic wing]

I popped off like this on BoD. Good times

[wheat jay]

Nyalotha and nathria were my most successful tiers in terms of progress

Almost had CE from azshara too, guild disbanded after christmas, and we had 20% best pull

[magic wing]

Best one was pugging Rastakan and carrying the mfs. Bunch of blue parses then my orang

[magic wing]

Same I quit on the boss before Azshara lol

[wheat jay]

I wanted to kill her so hard

Would have been my 1st CE man

But locks sold their accounts

And guild disbanded

Another guild disbanded on fucking SLG xD

Guild killer boss

Its usually quite hard to get into CE guilds without CE

[magic wing]

I got my first CE not even in the guild lol

Prog mercenary

[wheat jay]

Lol nice

I joined a guild mid progress

I had like 60% best wipe on vexiona

And joined a guild with exactly same progress

But better atmosphere

[green anchor]

I got my first CE on Garrosh

also my last

[magic wing]

Mythic takes too much mental focus tho especially last boss progs

Was fun tho

As a merc

[dense herald]

is dh op next patch

[mild thunder]

no one really knows

there'll probably be sweeping tuning parses made a fortnight or so into the season

[wheat jay]

Yes

[frank knoll]

God i remembering COVID times “working from home” spamming M+ and arena all day

Apparently there’s still new variants popping up all of the time but the world decided to just ignore it

[lavish quest]

Nice while it lasted bois

[wheat jay]

Warr still op

[lavish quest]

Not enough

[vapid tartan]

How different is cata arms to current?

[worthy fern]

Pretty sure the only similarity is you press mortal strike

[magic wing]

Id guess the rotation will be also 2-3 buttons

[mild thunder]

i legit think cata classic might be dead

who tf wants to replay that expansion? not the classic andy's

not the retail andy's

i cant wait to play dragonflight classic in 2030... relive the good ol days

[fickle forge]

You were giga hardstuck on that boss for forever, I remember

Rough time

[fickle forge]

Legion classic 🙏

[mild thunder]

pffft, cringe

im waiting for The War Within classic

[fickle forge]

Don't cringe the best expansion

[mild thunder]

i wish i played legion

honestly

id rather see wod classic but they actually do all the content they promised

[fickle forge]

Legion Classic will 100% be hella populated

[fickle forge]

WoD was a fun expansion
Don't @ me

[mild thunder]

wod done properly should be the best expansion wow ever saw

[mild thunder]

it was perfect for pvp

[wheat jay]

True

[mild thunder]

but the pve nerds hated it

[wheat jay]

One time I was raidleading

[fickle forge]

I don't care for PvE nerds and their garrisons

The zones were lit

PvP was lit

[wheat jay]

And we made the biggest progress that day

[fickle forge]

Classes was sorta lit

Multi strike as a stat was meh

But the few raids the expansion did have were really good

Blackrock was 👌

[lavish quest]

MoP was peak wow

Stay mad

[fickle forge]

Where Resune at

MoPsune

[wheat jay]

peak wow was legion

no contest

best class design

best class identity/spec identity

best class content

[fallen estuary]

Legion was the best in design, cata was 2nd

[magic wing]

True

[wispy cedar]

Fartji

[quaint tree]

The only thing I remember about WoD was my guild giving me a scabbard of kyanos or w.e then server xferring the next day xd

[lavish quest]

Wrong, but you tried

[green anchor]

Legion peak wow

[worthy fern]

Ill play cata classic only cause it’s the only modern wow xpac I never played

Pve arms is supposed to pump too

It’s funny that rotationally arms is almost the exact same as current the buttons just do slightly different things

[magic wing]

Legion was the only time where you could play the whole day every day and still have enough meaningful content to do

[violet fossil]

it pumped

i raided dragon soul as arms

the stance dancing was pretty cool

[sharp meteor]

He do be looking a little weathered.

[magic wing]

SS isnt that bad

[fallen estuary]

i mean when youre supposidly a priest hardlocked into having a 2 hander and casting smite every so often and die constantly being forced to melee, yea anduin seen some shit

as hes currently hardstuck 1200

[fallen solar]

Na he just got a beard. As all man should have.

[lavish quest]

Might be more he about to gut his friend thrall like a fish 😂

[weary jungle]

the question is: why everyone around our characters ages and we are still the same since vanilla

[worthy fern]

Mans is on a dark path

I like the vibe

Prob won’t be playing much retail though unless shuffle queue times are sub 5 minutes consistently

[lavish quest]

They are now (just queue a healer )

[spice hornet]

if i pre-order the most expensive xpac edition rn do i get the boost now

level boost

[wheat jay]

Spamming mage tower

Was the most fun i've had in wow

Ever

Hard solo content, pure personal skill

[south birch]

yes

[idle falcon]

[idle falcon]

You can still get it for heroic edition

20 extra euros only gets u 100% beta access and 3 day early access plus a pet/some skins for other games

[magic wing]

True

Only time I played anything but my warrior

[hot solstice]

how do u guys track sudden death proc? idk why they removed it from ingame ui

weakaura?

[thick reef]

Sudden Death makes Execute glow lmao

fix your ui

[hot solstice]

I meant in sl it was on personal resource bar

thats why I never needed it to be on a panel

have more importing things to put there

but ok, I got u man

[thick reef]

It has a buff if you absolutely must use a WA

But baseline you put that shit on a bar and call it a day

[spice hornet]

[hot solstice]

well I wish but I am that type who puts 2icons same skill

so no place for execute

just notecing that sudden death message

[thick reef]

Well lads, once again Blizzard proves they hate us

[spice hornet]

Only if they don’t bump conquest or sometbing

It might be a good thing

No more getting fucked on vault rng for PvP

Like opening vault first week and some other dude gets his wep

While you got 2 rings and a cloak

[green anchor]

yes you will be getting more conquest

[thick reef]

[elfin surge]

😎

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, had been hoping they changed vault to just be bonus conquest or something.

Or just bump base conq cap up to 700 weekly.

[mild thunder]

this is an objectively good change lmao

there's literally nothing to complain about

pvp is competitive - so they reduce rng and give extra conquest to boost

[mild thunder]

yea, they are... this is why not reading headlines and forming opinions is important

[spice hornet]

Aren’t you in Australia? Go to bed you fkn degenerate

[mild thunder]

i just got woken up by some retardedd-ass fucking twat of a bird

like a typical australian

[spice hornet]

That’s such an Australian acrovity@

Activity^

Hahaha

[mild thunder]

pissed me off, i was having a good sleep

[spice hornet]

What we gettin at maccas today? @mild thunder

[mild thunder]

its so cute you try and learn aussie slang to talk to me better

[wheat jay]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/851206644725317692/1170449030095061002/BB39zuo.png?width=980&height=557

this is gonna be fun

xD

[mild thunder]

100% we get sentinel (chakrams focus) and pack leader (pet focus)

[wheat jay]

probably

i hate pet

[mild thunder]

sentinels being chakram-focused is a hint that we get a tree rework soon

i love pet

[wheat jay]

fuck pets

i hate it

[mild thunder]

fuck pets

wildstalker and druid of the claw for feral

idk... hard to judge how good it'll be til we see real talent examples and what gameplay effect it'll have

[worthy fern]

Those all sound sick as fuck

Shado pan

Ninja shit

[opal acorn]

did they say anything about those talents?

didnt watch yet

[wheat jay]

only druid stuff

wowhead

[opal acorn]

like is it like awaken thing or just a buff for some abilities?

ah ok

[mild thunder]

mix

[spice hornet]

Good to see I’ll need 3 warriors

[mild thunder]

some passives, throughput changes for certain thematically-tied abilities, changes with how they work and some choice nodes

[mild thunder]

playing more warriors wont cover up your zero bitches

[wheat jay]

new taletns

basically

71-80

[opal acorn]

i wanted something exciting like awaken specs lmao

[wheat jay]

consider them offspecs

[opal acorn]

but ok

[spice hornet]

That’s not what your mom said to me last night

[wheat jay]

thats basically it

[mild thunder]

[mild thunder]

they're being marketed as "kinda artifact weapons" but you get to choose between 2 per spec

and instead of farming artifact power all xpac, you just level to 80 and unlock everything... kinda cringe, i want some borrowed power/something to progress through the whole xpac to carry between seasons

DF feels kinda bare-bones without it

[opal acorn]

ye, but it wont change the spec too much. Like we wont get a dragoon for hunter or a blademaster or a ninja etc..

gonna watch ian brb

[frank knoll]

I bet slayer = Fury

Sentinal seems dope

[mild thunder]

dont have to guess anything

they've already shown us ^

[frank knoll]

Okay I’m gonna read up on this

[mild thunder]

and it's not spec = sub-spec, it's sub-spec = 2 specs

[frank knoll]

Yeah kinda like how GW2 has elite specs

[mild thunder]

not really much to read unfortunately, all very broad and vague for now

[frank knoll]

San’layn.. that’s kinda dope

Im kind of excited

[green anchor]

Vampire 😴

[mild thunder]

ikr vampire for the blood spec, totally doesnt fit

[green anchor]

who said it doesn't fit

pretty sure I remember blood DK having some blood succ spell at some point

[mild thunder]

their entire fantasy is built around the san'layn

[frank knoll]

I wonder what “fatebound” is for rogue

[green anchor]

sounds like something from Shadowlands

[mild thunder]

probably something for outlaw/assa if i had to guess

pretty vague

[frank knoll]

I think trickster may be Outlaw also

[mild thunder]

trickster probably outlaw/sub... at least that's the impression i got

trickster doesnt really fit assa

[opal acorn]

I think it would have been better, if this was between different class specs, like ww arms = blademaster

[mild thunder]

no

[opal acorn]

Yes

[mild thunder]

enormously fat no

[frank knoll]

I want to be a San’Layn deathbringer DK

[mild thunder]

i dont think people realise how much of a balancing catastrophe cross-classing would be in wow... not to mention that it just wouldnt work

[opal acorn]

Now u will just have some abilities changed a bit..rest will be the same

[mild thunder]

what would a ww/arms even remotely look like?

[green anchor]

it's still gonna be a balancing catastrophe

[frank knoll]

Wasn’t there a private server game based on WoW that tried that

[mild thunder]

wow itself is a balancing catastrope because there's like 4 too many classes... why the fuck would you want even more dogshit extra stuff on top?

[green anchor]

I wouldn't but they're doing it

[mild thunder]

but they're not? these hero trees are small af

they're not exactly approaching cross-classing, are they?

[opal acorn]

To be more interesting. Now it's gonna be the same as in df, just a bit different. Ur sb gonna throw 3 hammers instead of one with lower duration.. yawn

[lavish quest]

Arms can't be mountain thane, so it won't have that

[mild thunder]

that's... the whole point of the talent tree changes? to carry more of the same between expansions

bro how the fuck are you complaining that it's not good enough when you literally dont have a clue what it even is yet

[opal acorn]

Yes, and i said for me it would be more interesting if those new talents was mixing specs to making it more interesting and new

[mild thunder]

yea, and that'll never happen because it's a remarkably bad idea

[opal acorn]

"complaining" lmao

[mild thunder]

this is complaining

yes

[opal acorn]

sure /yawn

ah, did i complain about u now too?

[mild thunder]

literally the only two responses someone with a brain should have are "this seems interesting, but i'll wait to see more details before having an opinion" or "this doesnt seem interesting, but i'll wait to see more details before having an opinion"

[opal acorn]

i just said what i thought would be more interesting based on what ive seen so far. u are just fightng for nothing

as if u are not boring enough, u are trying to be "the guy with a brain"

[mild thunder]

yea, and your one suggestion was also dumb as balls

[mild thunder]

you should try a lil harder to be the guy with a brain sometimes too

[opal acorn]

well since i am talking to u i have to reduce my brain power a bit, so u can catch up

you are a nobody judging everyones opinion in a discord channel as if u are the god. chill a bit little bro

[mild thunder]

im not judging everyones opinion, just your bad one

[opal acorn]

u can say u dont agree with an opinion, u are pretending ur opinion matters more and u talking about brain and such..

[mild thunder]

i did say that, and then i explained why your opinion is bad

[worthy fern]

I like how the healing one isn’t exclusively for healing

[sharp meteor]

What's going on in here are people arguing about nerd shit

[worthy fern]

Can be used for boomy too

Moonfire proccing fury of elune is sick

I wonder if you took that as feral what would happen with lunar

[green anchor]

Killed by a forest of treants

the druid hiding in between

[mystic prairie]

do I spend excess conquest on something before new season?

[shy flame]

Do I suck or are hunters like ungodly strong right now? I feel like they can take half my health down before I even get in melee range

I mean yeah I probably suck but still

[simple rock]

no, they're very strong

but you can peel them pretty well with good disarms/fears/stuns

[elfin surge]

Hey guys, new to arms warrior. What hero tree are we playing? Colossus or Slayer?

[hot solstice]

the one with heroic strike

[pine pine]

You can always dump it into conq boxes for alts or to vendor the gear for free monies

[mild thunder]

never

[mild thunder]

i almost fucking fell for this because i didnt read the name

i was gonna lose it

[pine pine]

I wanted to laugh react mud, but it's 1984 here and we can't react posts

[simple rock]

serious discussions only here

no fun allowed

[lavish quest]

I'll hit em with the colossus

[mild thunder]

you suck

unless it's mm, but then you're both op as fuck it should cancel out

[haughty lance]

Trying to step into PvP again after a looong break. Whats a good guide to rely on? Icy veins from pins still alright? Any youtuber I could look to for builds etc or any other good resource for builds and gearing? 😄

[worthy fern]

Calling it now slayer is going to be sick

[elfin surge]

slayer is the fury arms spec

colossus arms prot

[steep inlet]

Future Colossus here

[elfin surge]

Clicking around the top warriors armory is the best guide tbh.

[wheat jay]

Slayer going to be pve spec

Collosus or thane pvp spec

[elfin surge]

https://murlok.io/warrior/arms/3v3
@haughty lance

[haughty lance]

Alright, so the same as it always was 😄 Thanks

Thanks for the link as well

[shy flame]

🥺

[mild thunder]

Colossus will probably focus on abilities like thunder clap, avatar, deep wounds, rend etc since they’re the shared abilities between arms and prot

But it’s all a guessing game

Slayer should really be renamed to blademaster or berserker or something imo

[wheat jay]

No

We gonna make some yass queen slay memes

[lavish quest]

Ya'll merely adopted the slay, I was born in it. I've been slaying since the beginning

[mild thunder]

💅 yassss queennnnn

[wheat jay]

Slaayyyyyy 💄

[frank knoll]

Wtf is a Farseer?

[frank knoll]

Colossus smash

[vagrant ether]

I can't find a clear answer anywhere - In a generic pvp opener with Blademaster's Torment (Bladestorm on Avatar), should I Colossus Smash before or after the Avatar half Bladestorm?

[green sequoia]

Is that the sham one? Prob resto / ele lol

[scarlet flame]

@mild thunder top 5 gods on new account

top 5 gods on first account

for conq anyway

[mild thunder]

Maybe, but remember they’re cross-spec. I don’t think they’re cross-spec but also spec-specific

[mild thunder]

Merc off da perc

[scarlet flame]

what does off da perc mean

[sharp meteor]

Crazy or wild.

[mild thunder]

Bro is boomerin

[scarlet flame]

You are 4 years younger than me we are in the same generation

[mild thunder]

4 years is the difference between pre and post millennium

Boomer

[lucid walrus]

4 years is a huge developmental gap tbh

esp if you’re not one of those fossils who’s like 28 going on 40

[gloomy dock]

Lmao

I think of the 20yo dating the 16yo, and yeah 4 years development gap is insane.

(legal in Canada) idk about your countries. But that's the example that came to mind

[gloomy dock]

I went to the millennium fireworks in Vancouver when I was a kid

was pretty

[lucid walrus]

uni has helped greatly in illustrating what frontal lobe development looks like from 18-22

night & day difference talking w/ underclassmen as opposed to seniors, esp older ones who’ve transferred from elsewhere

[green anchor]

Shamans will now predict your future plays

[pine pine]

it means high on percocet lmfao

[mild thunder]

man those #vanilla-discussion and #mop-discussion are depressing af... shit is deader than dead

[pure hornet]

Yeah. I like retail more

[urban skiff]

They aren't doing blademaster because it requires mirror image and stuff

[mild thunder]

?

[urban skiff]

Someone talked to one of the guys at blizzcon, who said they were avoiding blademaster because it involves specific abilities that require too much work

[mild thunder]

i dont think anyone would give a fuck if those abilities werent included lol

[urban skiff]

What's even the point of calling it blademaster if you get zero blademaster abilities

[mild thunder]

because it's still and already a class fantasy that's been inhabited by arms and somewhat fury for 2 decades?

[urban skiff]

Naming a spec blademaster fulfils that fantasy?

[mild thunder]

as opposed to Slayer, which no one has ever cared about or thought about

[mild thunder]

there are still other ways they can build around that fantasy without giving warrior stealth and mirror images, yes

[urban skiff]

Are we talking bout the same thing?
https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Blademaster_(Warcraft_III)
a specific unit that uses Wind walk and Mirror Images, crits a lot and uses bladestorm

[mild thunder]

the class that arms has already been - aesthetically, thematically and through abilities - inspired by since virtually the inception of wow, yes

[urban skiff]

1 ability and not aesthetically inspired.

Unless you're half-naked in beads and sandals.

We've never had mirror images. We've never had stealth sprint with backstabs. Have we ever been really crit focused?

[mild thunder]

no, no, yes

unless im going full-blown retardedd arms also used to be sold as a literal "blademaster" on the spec-selection screen

[urban skiff]

When they made wow, they took key hero abilities and spread them out on different non-hero classes. That's why hero units feels like a mix of multiple classes or specs. Because we don't play as hero units but grunts

I'd be way more unhappy if they renamed the hero spec to blademaster and didn't give us anything close than the reverse.

But hey, we should all give honest feedback and let blizzard swing whichever way they decide. He even said so on stage

[mild thunder]

arms - totally not inspired by in any way the Blademaster btw

[urban skiff]

Tbh they could go far by just changing die by the sword to mirror image (not like the mage version) and have it dodge spells too

hero talents seem to passively modify existing abilities, rather than add new buttons. But how would that work with changing fury's defensive?

[lavish quest]

They didn't do blademaster because they're saving it for the arms rework that they're gonna call blademaster

[green anchor]

Just make it a new spec or class even

Leather wearing warrior lol

abilites would do a mix of physical and fire dmg

[urban skiff]

we all believe

[mild thunder]

i stg if they ever add another class im gonna quit

[green anchor]

[mild thunder]

they've only ever made 1 cool new class - monk

the rest suck

[green anchor]

monk can fuck off

and panda race too

DK was the best new class addition

[mild thunder]

ww is incredibly well-designed... it's also incredibly poorly-designed

[green anchor]

lol

[mild thunder]

3 boring af specs that got turned into more boring af specs when they reworked runes

[green anchor]

yeah DK became shit overtime

UH is bloated

[mild thunder]

they're all just super bland and braindead

the old rune system had so much more attention and nuance

[green anchor]

I've been playing alts for a few months now and you could really call almost every spec braindead

[mild thunder]

feral
survival

[green anchor]

yes resource management is lost lol

[mild thunder]

ww borders on being a really awesome, more nuanced, agency-focused spec but it's got like 3-4 talents in its tree that completely ruin it

[urban skiff]

do we go for 2set first week or do we hold them until we've seen a few vaults?

[lavish quest]

Follow your heart

[urban skiff]

My heart says play fury and eat more pasta

not sure I can trust it

[lavish quest]

Zug zug on

[green anchor]

https://i.imgur.com/YYqRDUP.png

[frank knoll]

I mean what’s there to discuss tbh

[magic wing]

The old dk was great

But all 3 specs were too similar

[mild thunder]

Who can boomer the hardest

[magic wing]

I like playing HC as a ret palli, ultimate brain off experience

You reach meditative state almost

[lavish quest]

Proud zoomer

[mild thunder]

Yup

[lavish quest]

Disgusting

[mild thunder]

I think you mean “falling asleep”

[magic wing]

Nah

You press exactly 2 buttons per fight

[warm portal]

Fury is torture

[urban skiff]

Torture only because it can't ever be allowed to shine

[magic wing]

Fury has perfect amount of buttons

[worthy fern]

@mild thunder I miss clones on ww

Serenity poo

[lavish quest]

Revert slaughter house nerfs

[pure hornet]

What u think a good balance of haste vers mastery ?

I have around 6800 vers 3700 haste 1400 mast

[dense herald]

Burn it

Remove it from the game

[green anchor]

I approve

[magic wing]

If I see another S+++ aug tier meta m+ can go fuck itself

Worst spec ever added to the game hands down

Doesnt even look or play cool

[dense herald]

Needs a rework

And be removed from pvp

I dont need ret paladins oneshotting me cuz theyre buffed from aug

[magic wing]

“Support” spec

outdps everybody

[dense herald]

They make me look bad

I play fury warrior so i alredi look bad tho

[magic wing]

Fury pumps

[wheat jay]

it needs a rework

into a normal dps spec

no more buffing bullshit

xD

[worthy fern]

The right play is just make it a tank spec

Can’t make it a normal dps cause why does dev exist at that point

Or they have to rework it entirely to give it more identity

[lavish quest]

To give it a dif flavor of dps? I mean... many classes have multiple dps specs. They'd just have to swap up how it plays more

[wheat jay]

yep

it can 100% be just another dps

or make it melee

[lavish quest]

Just make it ded

Ez

[wheat jay]

would be the best

but real solution is to rework it into just a normal dps

[lavish quest]

What if we just nerf it into the ground where it's technically there but never played? Just to troll people

[wheat jay]

like frost dk?

sounds good too

[worthy fern]

@lavish quest don’t they play almost exactly the same though?

If you take away the buffing component

[lavish quest]

I dunno, do I look like a scaley to you?
I finally made one and leveled to 70 like a week or two ago. And then stopped touching it immediately lol

[magic wing]

give it the WW monk treatment

nerf to the ground and leave like that for months/years at a time

[lavish quest]

Rude

[wheat jay]

smh cant say feesting

😦

[thick reef]

Fucking regarded

[lavish quest]

I'm highly regarded in some circles

[spice hornet]

why did they even add that plug-in or w/e

if someone is saying cooked ass shi, just ban them

god forbid the 7+ SF multiple valkyr have to do their jobs every once in awhile

was fine for years without that

it blocks weird ass terms too, feesting, fengered

chat block plugin s traight up developed for a roblox or minecraft server filled with 7 year olds

[muted surge]

Did anyone play the Lego mmo

That had a fun chat bot. You got chat restricted for saying the name of certain items

[mild thunder]

Cuckk, dipshitt, retardd… I feel personally silenced, I can’t say anything anymore

Soon they’re gonna ban me talking about your mum

[spice hornet]

literally

i almost feels targeted at pvpers....

it

[mild thunder]

Lol

[spice hornet]

our most commonly used words...all blocked

[mild thunder]

True, wtf do pve-ers even shit talk about

[spice hornet]

meanwhile i can say "i like sucking a fat d while doing some scripted M+ " and i think that would get me promoted to SF

[mild thunder]

“Bro you didn’t hit the stationary boss hard enough!!”

[spice hornet]

but god forbid we call dabdaddy a regard

when he acts like one

[mild thunder]

Bro wtf

That’s your son

[spice hornet]

i know, i love him

[mild thunder]

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, uronically.

[spice hornet]

but hes still regarded

[mild thunder]

Acceptance is key

[mild thunder]

Pve-ers can’t be real

[lavish quest]

Us warriors pve when attacking a spriest, what's the difference?

[radiant hamlet]

wait so the elite 2 hander for this season is..... a shitty looking polearm ?

why tf did i grind 2.4 on my warrior

[lavish quest]

Bragging rights

Shield is cool at least

[radiant hamlet]

yeah if i ever used shields kekw

[lavish quest]

Prot in pve

[radiant hamlet]

[lavish quest]

Well you can stare at it when you bot on ele, that's pretty cool right?

[radiant hamlet]

LMAo

i love how botting is now instantly linked to ele

[sharp meteor]

They didn't add the blue sword which is a damn shame.

[sharp meteor]

Dunno, but in next expansion you can collect all appearances as any spec, so buy all the weps now and keep in bags/bank.

[mild thunder]

Smart idea

Now I wish I had bought war glaives in season 1

[sharp meteor]

I got the warglaive last season.

[mild thunder]

Fuck

It looks so cool

Rip

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, was really annoyed to not be able to push 2400 on havoc

so grabbed it in the hopes I'd get it one day

[mild thunder]

Smart bastard

[sharp meteor]

What they should've done imo is

ensembles for reaching 2400

It's so balls that warr gets everything and something like priest gets like 40% of the weps

[mild thunder]

Yup

[radiant hamlet]

Thats good i already done that hehe

[sharp meteor]

They did it in wod, dunno why they can't do it now.

[mild thunder]

There’s a lot of things I want from wod

Real stats on PvP gear

Catch-up conquest gains

PvP set bonuses

[sharp meteor]

For me it's accolades (passive mainstat + secondary stat trinkets).

Was so snug just having like 400 mastery/str.

for the whole game

[sharp meteor]

Lmao wod was actually bad about this

You only had partial cap rollover so if you started late like I did you weren't able to afford the full conq + elite set.

[mild thunder]

Maybe I’m remembering wrong but you also gained x2 conquest until you caught up to the current reset’s cap

I’d definitely like that back

[sharp meteor]

There were some expedited gains I thought

buy the weekly limit was only partial so you did fall behind each week

although it usually didn't matter much

[mild thunder]

Well, I’d like to take the good and not the bad haha

I’d almost prefer catchup gains to rng boxes

[lavish quest]

But we need to gamba

And thanks for the idea, I didn't think about buying the 2400 non war stuff for next expac. Gotta do that when I get home

[worthy fern]

Idk why they haven’t implemented pvp tier sets yet

Tier has been a problem for what 4 seasons now?

[dense herald]

Wdym real stats

[dense herald]

The warmode gear has tier

But do u want general tier or class/spec specific gear cuz thats gonna take alot more work to create and balance

For a small % of the playerbase

Most players play pve

[lavish quest]

Just slap the same tier but with pvp scaling on vendors rather than having to vault/catalyst. Bam, fixed

[dense herald]

Well next season catalyst will come from week 1

But yeah that woild be nice,and for the pvp tier to not work in pve

Cuz i wanna play both pve and pvp on same char and if i do 1 i fall behind on other

So removing the pvp from vault is gonan help me next expac

[fallen estuary]

they better give us a ton of conq more per week if they remove pvp vault

first couple weeks of pvp vaults kinda vital

[brittle crown]

Do we have any Information yet about the legy Axe?

[mild thunder]

stats that arent just versatility... vers needs to be removed from the game and replaced with 1-3 more interesting stats

[mild thunder]

no it doesnt

at least not for actually instanced pvp

pvp-specific tier sets existed for quite a while, and despite what you claimed are actually significantly easier to balance because they're designed for pvp lol

[lavish quest]

They said we'd get more conq to compensate. Dunno how much tho

[mild thunder]

they said gearing pace will be exactly the same

[sharp meteor]

Just gimme 700 or 875 conq a week

[mild thunder]

well presumably it'll be more like 1500

the downside is that it makes pvp a little less accessible for casuals

[sharp meteor]

[mild thunder]

IMO it should be something like 800 conq for free each reset and then you earn the rest of the weekly cap

[dense herald]

No i mean like

Well idk what i mean

[wheat jay]

That requires more people to work on pvp

And pve is the name of the game

[dense herald]

But is blizz rly gonna put in work for new tier tier set when pvp playerbase is low

[wheat jay]

No

Pvp is the minigame

It just exists

What they want to do with is cater it towards casual players

To give pve players some side content

[mild thunder]

they've done it before, they can do it again

[wheat jay]

Namely, getting 1800

Ye, back when pvp was as popular as pve

[mild thunder]

it absolutely wasnt

[wheat jay]

Often more popular

[mild thunder]

more popular than it is now probably, but pvp has never been as popular as pve

[wheat jay]

Before all the pve content got amazing replayability, people played more pvp

No m+, no dungeons at all except for 1st patch of the expansion

No mythic raiding

So you do hc, get gear, done, you finished the game