pvp

[full quiver]

Make it last longer and not refresh

Ez

[nimble jasper]

well every fury player is gonna be in shambles

next week

with no tierset

[sage raptor]

Next week is prepatch?

[nimble jasper]

yes

[sage raptor]

Oh fuuuuck

I'm not ready

[wheat jay]

Good

Fucking beast mastery warriors

[cinder thorn]

Erm, sharpen blade says increase 1 mortal strike hit by 15% and 50% healing reduction but it already does 50% so what is that about? Tool tip on enemy says 50% so is it useless?

[wheat jay]

Mortal wounds effect is nerfed in pvp combat by 50%

Making it a 25% healing reduction

And Sharpen applies a 50% reduction

[cinder thorn]

Oh

Thanks but for 6 second only instead of 10 for mortal strike?

[wheat jay]

Yes

You apply Sharpen for 6s

Its a different debuff

[sharp meteor]

Yep. Also a reminder that mortal strike into a sharpen debuff doesn't do anything.

If a healer notices you mortaled into sharpen and gapped yourself they can top their teammate

[sharp meteor]

Honestly DF Fury might be decent.

No CB charge and no Storm though ehhh

[cinder thorn]

Thx gents

Is there somewhere I can read about hidden mechanics in pvp, things that are not said in tool tips like this 25% mortal strike debuff rather than 50% etc

I know tanks take extra damage but not details and anything else hidden like that?

[near delta]

Been playing some beta recently and odyns fury pumps. I think fury will be pretty good.

[wheat jay]

Ngl id like to know too

[wheat jay]

Is there still charging blow?

[sharp meteor]

Not sure actually there was a site that had all the modifiers listed but i don't remember the name

[near delta]

Pretty sure the charge was removed but I have to check

Death sentence with the set bonus giving hella sudden death procs might be kinda good

That plus double time in the class tree would kinda make up for losing charging blow

[tribal wedge]

Even without bladestorm?

[wheat jay]

AMEN

[nimble jasper]

fuck fury in pvp

its legit dh but dumber

maybeif they give it warbanner etc

could have more thought

[sharp meteor]

Could be fine, we'll see. I'll be playing all three specs on various warrs for shuffle at the very least.

I need to gatekeep all the 1500 prot boomers. 🛡️

[nimble jasper]

ngl so far from what I’ve seen

tanks are overtuned on beta

and all 3 rogue specs headed for easy s tier

for another season

[sharp meteor]

Spec based rewards gonna make shuffle fun to play snowflake specs.

Gonna kidnap people on blood again.

[nimble jasper]

only downside is they removed garrote again

for non assassination

[sharp meteor]

Is Outlaw still super cringe in DF?

[nimble jasper]

you have an extra 10% stamina talent

without the honor talent being removed

[wheat jay]

All I care about are arms and survi

[nimble jasper]

you also have step as outlaw now and dreadblades

[wheat jay]

And those look amazing

Fuck rogues

[sharp meteor]

look at me, I'm the tank now -pistol shots you-

[nimble jasper]

dreadblades is reduced by your cdr

so you prob have it every stun dr

think i was achieving like 80% uptime on dummy post nerf

[nimble jasper]

only nerf i saw was blinding powder makes blind 20 yd range instead of 30

[wheat jay]

Make rogues melee again pls

Makes 0 sense for them to have any bonus range

They use small fucking daggers

[nimble jasper]

float like a butterfly got moved to the spec tree instead of honor talent so now you can play bomb or freedom sprint

every game

[nimble jasper]

oh yeah acrobatic strikes being moved to the class tree was big

now you gonna get 8yd kicked by sub and assa too

[sharp meteor]

rapier is long and pointy

[nimble jasper]

mage tower rapier

goated

[sharp meteor]

Ah, ye. Illusions also work on MT stuff in df or prepatch.

[nimble jasper]

idk if bug or intended

hoping intended

i use the balance of power skin personally with legion hero color

[near delta]

To be fair, outlaw uses swords lmao

[near delta]

Is outlaw going to have 2 step charges too?

[nimble jasper]

nah one

[near delta]

Aight that's not the worst thing lol

[wheat jay]

Yes, regular melee range long

[nimble jasper]

just get a talent that gives you a step on class tree

and both assa and sub have one baseline

[wheat jay]

Ngl the only class that should get more range is survi

Cuz its a polearm class

[nimble jasper]

outlaw does get to pick up the talent that makes grappling hook 15s shorter cd

[near delta]

Outlaw rogues

[nimble jasper]

and the rope goes out faster tho

cuz you need to grab that for 1:30 blind

[wheat jay]

Too short

[nimble jasper]

the funniest thing about pirate in SL has been

bladeflurry killing hunters

through turtle

🍝 code

we love it

[full quiver]

🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

[near delta]

Or druids that tranq lol

[nimble jasper]

oh yeah

i had bron summon

knock an rdruids tranq

twice

[wheat jay]

Bonus range on sub rogue?

Dagger class

[nimble jasper]

you can yes

3yd talent is right after you spend 2 pts

for 4% vers

[full quiver]

i mean should any class get bonus range lol

[sage raptor]

Unholy

[nimble jasper]

boomies have 45 yds

for no reason

mm thematically makes sense

to have extra

[sage raptor]

Actually no troll

I think outlaws pistol shot should be 30

[full quiver]

that makes sense

it's a gun

[sage raptor]

Like assassins throwing knife

Or subs ninja star being 30 yards but not a gun lol

[nimble jasper]

tbh kinda weird its a pistol

and not a flintlock

[sage raptor]

It is a flintlock

[wheat jay]

Survi is the only class that uses polearm

But ye, ideally noone should

[nimble jasper]

idk where survival

pulls a mini crossbow

out its anus from

though

[sharp meteor]

Yer.

[wheat jay]

Yep

[sharp meteor]

Isn't it a mop crossbow

still can't change the appearnce of the outlaw pistol or surv crossbow, right

[sage raptor]

Nope

[sharp meteor]

💀

[sage raptor]

Ikr? So dumb

[sharp meteor]

Maybe in about 8 years we'll have the tech

[sage raptor]

I love it

[sharp meteor]

It's crazy to me it took them this long to allow illusions on mage tower stuff

[nimble jasper]

god i hate not having that set

xd

i feel the fury skin matches the colors of that set more

idr which one, one of the pvp skins

[sharp meteor]

Those seasons were so short man I almost missed them

[nimble jasper]

tbh i lucked out since I barely played pvp at that point

[sharp meteor]

Wish I got priest/lock but I'm happy with rogue and warr

[nimble jasper]

and got it on my rog cuz some priest was bored

and nice enough to help a total nub

i’d argue legion it was easier to get help like that tho

cuz no gear grinding=more exped players generally looking to do things on alts more

[full quiver]

i've never even noticed that survival pulls out a cross bow

lmao

[sharp meteor]

Ye pocket crossbow to shoot stuff

[wheat jay]

Jizzing out killshots

[cinder thorn]

Hi guys, I only PvP and don't spend much time playing the game other than a couple of hours each night

Any advice on Dragonflight profession choices? Somethings to do while I am waiting for pvp battlegrounds pops

Would appreciate your thoughts

Thank you!

[sharp meteor]

I haven't read prof stuff yet but i always just go engi then bs/engi/alch

goggles + nitro/glider

[wheat jay]

Moneymaker proffs

ALWAYS

[cinder thorn]

Yes but which ones for DF

[cinder thorn]

I used to go engineering when I used to play 8 years ago but was recently told all professions do nothing in pvp anymore so it's just about money making

Is that the case in DF or has it changed

[nimble jasper]

couple hours a night is more than what I’ve played wow as

for the past 1.5 years

[sharp meteor]

ya profs haven't done anything in recent history

in terms of like combat stuff

could make bank off w/e gold ones

like crafting in sl was cranking out leggos

[nimble jasper]

wasnt wotlk the last time sketchy shit

like engy gloves worked in arena

[cinder thorn]

So for my context as a pure pvper what do you suggest for in between battleground pops

[sharp meteor]

i also made like 2.5m in a few days on 9.2 launch selling rings lmao

[sharp meteor]

uhhh mop i think

[nimble jasper]

idk battlegrounds make me wanna give myself a brain lobotomy

[sharp meteor]

synapse springs and bs slots

[nimble jasper]

oh yeah mop you had synapse

[sharp meteor]

ye

[nimble jasper]

cloak proc from tailoring was other best prof

imo

[sharp meteor]

also bgs are fun

i been playing mm

every game is like 20-30+ kills

idc if we win or lose

[cinder thorn]

So in dragonflight professions also don't affect pvp?

[nimble jasper]

engi is just the best qol prof

overall

[sharp meteor]

okay go read up on profs now

[wheat jay]

Well, if you wanna go for certain rating, start playing arenas

[nimble jasper]

it just doesnt make money

[sharp meteor]

and try to figure ou twhich makes bigly gold

[nimble jasper]

rofl

[wheat jay]

Reject battlegrounds embrace arenas

[sharp meteor]

ya no gold from engi but pwn gogglers

and gadgets

[nimble jasper]

wormholes

[sharp meteor]

nitro to chase down some pleb

[wheat jay]

Dude

[nimble jasper]

bis

[wheat jay]

Dude

Listen

Leathetwoking

[sharp meteor]

i like a balance of both

[wheat jay]

Evokers will want fucking gear

[nimble jasper]

you think nitroboosts are cool until it yeets you into the air

[sharp meteor]

nice to unbind in bgs after a 9 minute outlaw/arcane match

[cinder thorn]

I do arenas also, the point is I only pvp

[wheat jay]

Hehehe

[nimble jasper]

yeah professions dont matter

besides making gold

[sharp meteor]

er unwind in bgs

[sharp meteor]

muh immersion

rogue must always be alch

[cinder thorn]

I know in DF the order system will change economy so just trying to find out which ones are best whilst waiting for pops

[sharp meteor]

:^)

[nimble jasper]

pvp only andys are the perpetually broke plebs in SL

who wear low ilvl legos

and shit

[sharp meteor]

nah u do some rival boosts

cha ching

[nimble jasper]

dude

LOL

[wheat jay]

I'll start boosting apes to 1800 maybe

[sharp meteor]

missin sinful boosts

[nimble jasper]

play rog get some priest egirl

who wants carry

how bout no

[wheat jay]

1800 ez for apes

And apes pay gold

[nimble jasper]

go fear healer

fear healer

[sharp meteor]

gonna do lot of carries in df

[nimble jasper]

fear healer

why is he still not feared

reee

[wheat jay]

First I gotta cary myself

[sharp meteor]

i have so much gold in items but selling them is a pain

[nimble jasper]

i got 1.6m on some dead shitter realm

waiting for one of the tcg tabs im missing

or ripper

[wheat jay]

I'm moving to a shitter realm

Guild is changing server to find more poles to play with

[nimble jasper]

oof

[vagrant saddle]

does prot take 50% increased damage in pvp in WPvP as well? Or only instanced content?

[sage raptor]

Instanced

[nimble jasper]

pretty sure everywhere

should be 100% increased damage

[sage raptor]

Skill issue

There's no way it's not everywhere because tanks are raid bosses in wpvp.

[nimble jasper]

people play wpvp?

[sage raptor]

Yeah

[nimble jasper]

cringe

[sage raptor]

Don't like an uneven playing field?

Play prot. Be the uneven playing field.

[nimble jasper]

theres 0 skill involved

last time i had someone try to gank me whilei was farming an old world recipe on my yellow

gave that man a fate BOTE burst window to the dome

[sage raptor]

Problem solved

[nimble jasper]

then he got mad and dmed me

after i flagged him

o well

[vagrant saddle]

i only play WoW for wpvp

[sage raptor]

It's all I did this season

[nimble jasper]

and you choose to play tank

🤢

[vagrant saddle]

too bad Blizz keeps trying to kill wpvp in every expac

[nimble jasper]

as they should

[vagrant saddle]

i play tank in every pvp game

[nimble jasper]

play rated if you want anything remotely skillful

[sage raptor]

Well yeah. I like to not die while dealing big dam.

[nimble jasper]

warlock exists

[vagrant saddle]

other than in WoW, tank is a needed/required role to be filled in pvp

[sage raptor]

You don't wpvp for skill

[vagrant saddle]

WoW is the only mmo that discourages 1/3 of their playerbase from pvping

[nimble jasper]

mmo

and pvp

[sage raptor]

It's really the players if we're being honest

[nimble jasper]

p much doesnt go together

[vagrant saddle]

its both

[nimble jasper]

ok theres black desert

[sage raptor]

Fair enough

[nimble jasper]

if you consider that meme a game

[vagrant saddle]

you consider wow (which is a meme) a game

sooo

[nimble jasper]

have you seen bdo?

lol

[vagrant saddle]

i have +1k hours in every mmo thats came out since 2004

I have indeed seen BDO

[nimble jasper]

🧢

[sage raptor]

Btw, warlocks get shit on by bdk in wpvp

[nimble jasper]

i havent seen a game that does tanks without being a degen design

[lucid walrus]

🤮

[vagrant saddle]

literally every mmo does tanks well in pvp other than WoW

[nimble jasper]

all

3-4 other mmos?

[vagrant saddle]

GW2, ESO, FF14, BDO

the top 4 for starters

[nimble jasper]

wouldnt call ff14 a pvp game

[vagrant saddle]

SWOTR does them well too

I didnt call FF14 a pvp game, i called it an MMO

[sage raptor]

You're talking to a brick wall. You gotta think, these people can't kill tanks in pvp.

[nimble jasper]

i have

p easily

[sage raptor]

Then they're not an issue

Ez

[vagrant saddle]

then why you whining about them?

[nimble jasper]

just annoying

cuz they’re bad players

[vagrant saddle]

and healers arent annoying?

[nimble jasper]

who would have died in half the time

if they werent playing tank

[vagrant saddle]

but tanks take more damage in pvp than dps specs

what u on about?

[nimble jasper]

healers dont do as much damage

prot paladins dont

[vagrant saddle]

yes they do

[sage raptor]

Healers are arguably a lot harder to kill than tanks and they heal.

[vagrant saddle]

^

[nimble jasper]

but healers dont do

like half the dmg a dps does

[vagrant saddle]

they easily can

[nimble jasper]

only priests sometimes

[vagrant saddle]

and mistweaver

and resto druid

[nimble jasper]

mistweaver doesnt do shit for damage

[vagrant saddle]

and soon invoker

I do good damage on my MW

what u on about?

[nimble jasper]

lol thats why people playing mw go and push in for dmg

and not just afk in backline healing

[vagrant saddle]

I do both

depends on the situtation

[nimble jasper]

yeah wpvp which has

0 good players

you prob can

[vagrant saddle]

i play all pvp content

Arenas, RBGs, and WPvP

[nimble jasper]

rbgs also clown content

prot war p shit tbh

[vagrant saddle]

Arenas is clown content

[nimble jasper]

last time i ran into one while capping my rogue i killed his dumbass

in first kidney

x)

[vagrant saddle]

dude says all people who plays tanks are bad and then complains his dungeon queues take him 40min because lack of tanks xD

[nimble jasper]

?

i dont queue random dungeons

[sage raptor]

Dude says he kills tanks easily but complains

Js

If I can kill things easily, I have no room to complain. It's just a free win right?

[nimble jasper]

they are but they prolong games

[sage raptor]

Just do what I do

[nimble jasper]

tanks are already a norm in wow pvp anyway

they’re called warlocks

[vagrant saddle]

Healers dont prolong fights?

Just tanks?

[nimble jasper]

healers are fine hybrid offhealing isnt

but thats a separate subject

[vagrant saddle]

why are healers fine?

they prolong fights

[nimble jasper]

non healers shouldnt be able to self heal

yes

3v3 only format that matters

[sage raptor]

Lol sure

[vagrant saddle]

im going to only ever queue into 3s as a tank from now one.. this is my new purpose in life. just to piss you off

[sage raptor]

5v5 is the real bracket

[vagrant saddle]

5v5 was fun tho for real

[sage raptor]

It's really fun

Doing it out of spite makes it worth the time when you get DMs

So angry

[vagrant saddle]

Yup! Strictly going to play Prot Paladin too

just for Mich

[sage raptor]

Haha

[nimble jasper]

doesnt matter

I’ve already queued into double warlock

[solemn sphinx]

are human & orc still the best PVP races in spite of the new trinket bonus?

[nimble jasper]

which is infinitely worse

[sage raptor]

Yes

[nimble jasper]

that bonus got nerfed

[vagrant saddle]

Human is still the best race, yes.

[nimble jasper]

so orcs are on top again

for any class that can be orc

[solemn sphinx]

human > orc or vice versa?

[sage raptor]

More orc dick sucking

[nimble jasper]

orc>human

[sage raptor]

Hardiness doesn't matter when you still die in stuns

[nimble jasper]

hardiness tbf is mostly

a measure vs sub rogues

cuz the shortened kidney is p much whether he gets another evis off or not

could argue human is just worse now since rele is gone

[sage raptor]

Oh snap I forgor 💀

Should've left that bonus alone smh

Or buffed it to 20% idc

[nimble jasper]

no they should remove it and nerf kidney

to 5s max

[solemn sphinx]

is dwarf a meme in PVP? i do m+ at the r1 level but also want to pick up glad for season 1 in DF

[lucid walrus]

they should nerf it and remove kidney

[nimble jasper]

ccs should be capped at 6s

the most

would argue 5

[lucid walrus]

it’s fine for glad

[nimble jasper]

psure teapot got eternal glad as vulpera….

[solemn sphinx]

actually wait dont warriors basically have a remove bleed/disease talent in DF anyway

[nimble jasper]

unless he was queueing his orc

[lucid walrus]

they do yeah

it’s like 2-3min cd tho

[nimble jasper]

its less that dwarf is bad

and more that orc is just

better

[lucid walrus]

downside to stoneform is 30 (90?) sec icd on trinket

[nimble jasper]

than any other option

puts a 30s cd on your trinket

[lucid walrus]

also ya orc has no opportunity cost

[solemn sphinx]

oh wow wasnt aware of the icd, makes sense

[nimble jasper]

idk

[lucid walrus]

dark iron has something similar with fireblood

[nimble jasper]

kidney is also capped at 6secs

in DF

but sub is looking pretty yoked in general

which is the main spec orc is useful vs

5.4s stun is effectively only 5 because if rogue is good

he has to wait the 0.4secs to recheap

so you cant wall

human relentless had a case for it if you were doing super sweaty 2s

in an rdruid meta

because relentless over how much cc an rdruid puts you in adds up real fast

[copper hare]

so funny that they nerf set bonus back to 10%

and also took relentless trinkets out, it's like they want people to play orc

[lean burrow]

does Ion play orc?

[nimble jasper]

ion dont play the game

[lean burrow]

then pvp devs must be orcs

one of them plays something like draenei and offered to make 15% trinket baseline

then others playing orc nerfed it to 10%

[sharp meteor]

Yes, but he doesn't PvP. Or play at all. He's in FF14 since Sanctum.

[sage raptor]

Ion raids

And they balance off his guilds progress

I wonder if he trolls in trade chat

[shy aurora]

When is season over ?

[tribal wedge]

25/26

oct

[warped warren]

2 months ago

[sharp meteor]

Roughly a week from now.

[spice hornet]

Best season ever

[sharp meteor]

Shorter duration was nice. Pity that participation is in actual ruins.

I think 0.5 cutoff is like 2540 or something.

[spice hornet]

Dayum

I didn’t play it since like week 3 got to 2390 in LFG only and then it was dead every day

When I was playing it was queueing into the same 5 teams everyday and like 2 of those teams were assassination rogues running a NL cheese guild

Build*

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, games around 2400-2600 have been like half one shot cheeses and half alts/boosts

It'd be like a spread of 3-4 diff teams around the MMR and you just kind of series them

[spice hornet]

I fought the same douvke lock team 9 times in a row one day

[sharp meteor]

lmao

i remember getting the same jungle three times in a row i think during cosmic

we love them late night queues

[spice hornet]

[scarlet barn]

did you try early morning queues?

[sharp meteor]

ya get domed by chinese retwarrs at 4 am

[ancient sonnet]

Necro reply but the new Bitter Immunity talent for warrior doesn't actually remove bleeds. So if Assa/Ferals are strong dwarf could have a lot of value. The ICD with trinket is rough though

[lean island]

thoughts about fury survivability witouth ignore pain in dragonflight? 5% leech, second wind, reinforced plate, bitter immunity are enought?

[raw summit]

seems like a fair tradeoff

[sharp meteor]

It should be fine. Maybe even better.

[sage raptor]

Besides, IP feels bad to use as fury

I think it'll be better. My prediction.

[ancient sonnet]

it's removed from arms as well right?

[copper hare]

yes and arms feels horrible

[muted surge]

Arms is pretty squishy compared to like … every other class. -low cr pleb who duels on beta

[sharp meteor]

good make warr made out of kleenex so we can all just succumb and roll rogue

rip the bandaid off

[near delta]

I don't want to be a pirate main

[muted surge]

Idk if I’m just too bad, but I hope they unnerf def stance in df. Wasn’t Ip spam the main reason for the nerf?

[near delta]

Blizz has a habit of nerfing things then not unnerfing them until the reason they initially nerfed it is long gone.

[nimble jasper]

@sharp meteor

tfw the seasonal completion mount

almost as rare as unchained glad mount

[shy aurora]

Warriors looking good in DF or? Just got back to the game

[muted surge]

Depends. From low point of few and with the current balance - gameplay wise yes, tuning wise no

Atleast arms, idc about furies

[sharp meteor]

eternal mount is rarest of all glads or at least it was

[shy aurora]

Im arms

[sharp meteor]

probs gonna be middle of the pack by the end of the week

i have seen like half a dozen selfplays in recent days queuing with barcode spriest/dk

[nimble jasper]

i saw explicit get cheesed

by a summer sub mm team

just double bop bomb opener

and hunter using fastidious

💀

[sharp meteor]

literally me the other night

took 200k from the aimed shot

i didn't trinket bomb because i didn't see hunter cov

just got domed

[nimble jasper]

according to dataforazeroth

sinister is the rarest 2400 glad mount

then notorious

lol

[sharp meteor]

ya mid bfa was dead

queue up get skull caved in by immortal unh dk with tank gear

[nimble jasper]

wdym skull caved in

both of you wank each other for10mins

cuz immortal dhdk

vs splay

lmao

💀

[sharp meteor]

dmg too volatile rn imo but bfa was like

actual pool noodle fight

[nimble jasper]

rdruid gets off one gcd

topped entire team

[sharp meteor]

yer 💀 made bgs super unfun too

male elf just backpeddling around taking zero dam

[near delta]

💀

[copper hare]

farming glad wins in bfa season 1 was disgusting, every game 15+ min

[sharp meteor]

ya i never log off wow

but early-mid bfa was like nah

time to learn that shitty game my friends always bitch about (league)

[frank knoll]

Or double DH in 2s with tank trinkets. That was fun

[sharp meteor]

ya truly awful

[frank knoll]

I miss corrupted season Destro lock

Vøidrituálx-tichondrius hit you for a 600k bolt then rage whispers you after

[nimble jasper]

i ran into that once

malded so hard i told team to equip spites

and we spiting these fuckwits

[sharp meteor]

played triple spite assa/destro into cleaves and we'd just layer them

so cleaves hitting my lock had to bathe in them

an awful season but so much more fun than s2-3

[frank knoll]

What did spite do again? I forget

Was that the corruption puddle thing

[nimble jasper]

increased corruption levels

of people who stood in them

[frank knoll]

Yeah yeah that thing was hilarious

[nimble jasper]

sap

sap

sap

blind

kidney

if rmpala you could half hoj

the trinket

[sharp meteor]

circle that gave u corruption

basically u would double or triple spite people as rmp or ww/dk

and just keep people locked in it

then they'd implode because they took like 140% more damage plus clones spawned and those did like a third of your health if they touched you or something

warlock in particular was easy to spite because they rarely played port

[spice hornet]

95% reduced move speed

If a thing from beyond hit you

[nimble jasper]

all you had to do

was port out of it

idiot lock players

smh…

[spice hornet]

Giant ass eyeball that hits you over and over bigger than the map

[nimble jasper]

there was a twitch clip of dakkroth malding cuz he had 3 eyes spawn

on him

[spice hornet]

That was a boring season for arms for sure all we cause do was stack vers amps

[copper hare]

mortal coil into 3 chaos bolts

[spice hornet]

Scuffed dot spec

[copper hare]

I logged off right after that

[nimble jasper]

was usually like 100% dam taken increase

and healing reduction

[spice hornet]

Every 2s game go into damp

[nimble jasper]

i ran into an lsd team in s4

[spice hornet]

End up just losing to gushing dh or dk

[sharp meteor]

assa felt like better arms

[near delta]

I'm glad I didn't play bfa that soudnd scuffed af lol

[nimble jasper]

first game he decides to play full vers amps

and cns major

dies in 1min

[sharp meteor]

s4 was fun if u did the pve gear grind but i swear gearing has never been worse than it was in bfa

[copper hare]

anyone else also played fury bfa s1?

[sharp meteor]

legit pve gear in every slot LMAO

[copper hare]

It was actually really fun

[nimble jasper]

second game we get them he played full gushers no conflict major

and died opener

pepega

man trinkets a bomb double claws opener at 30%

only to get recheaped and die insta

[spice hornet]

@near delta that season was really bad, especially before they added a vendor that let you buy specific corruptions, before that it was completely RNG

Kinda got better with the vendor but they made the vendor rotate weekly on what corruptions it sold

[nimble jasper]

psure if you ran spites you could scare some destro teams

into playing 0 corruption

cuz they were scared of getting spited

lmfao

[spice hornet]

Meanwhile months earlier they say on stream “there’s no PvP vendor because we don’t want players getting confused and buying the wrong piece”

[nimble jasper]

best was killing warlocks opener cuz they fotm noobs

and dont realize

cant wall while silenced

cant gate in smokebomb

[spice hornet]

Just like the esrly cosmic resolve mage lock

[nimble jasper]

good ol rps smoke

just kill half the destro teams

in opener

or when you make enemy hpal bubble first go

get instant md’ed on bubble and forced to trinket the silence

then my priest decided to go play mhw

[spice hornet]

[near delta]

I played like 15 games that season on my bm hunter s4 bfa and had no clue wtf I was doing or wtf was going on. Didnt have a pvp trinket or anything

[nimble jasper]

and i got stuck playing rmp for 10 wins

[near delta]

Some healer and DH I ran into on lfg carried me

[nimble jasper]

rmp is infinitely more braindead than rps

[spice hornet]

And then here we are now @nimble jasper playing fotm fury

[nimble jasper]

idk how people can say rmp is a hard comp

[near delta]

And the dh just 1v3d every single game

[nimble jasper]

no i havent queued this ssn

[spice hornet]

[nimble jasper]

i still dont have seasonal mount

[sharp meteor]

assa/destro/hpal in s4 was probably the least attention i've paid in arena besides bm/rdruid 2s

[nimble jasper]

💀

[near delta]

Just have to watch your positioning and rotate your trinkets. It's easy

[nimble jasper]

i actually hated assa destro cuz every hpal player was beyond boosted

rps was chill

until you queued into a dhdk that bothered talenting manarift

💀

[nimble jasper]

yeah no

every time i almost die to a 1600 rm

i mald

literally live cuz this rogue has 0 iq and stungaps

[spice hornet]

Fire mage is a healing class

[near delta]

I mean thats what Kalvish said. Why would he lie?

[nimble jasper]

nelf outlaw for raid reasons makes

rm the worst shit

that matchup is so free if you q like

orc necro assa

or some shit

[sharp meteor]

aff/outlaw is like the least fun i've queued into

outlaw does 12k, aff does like 17k

[nimble jasper]

orc necro assa you just play sephuz

and run the rogue down with bonespikes and vendetta

99% of them cant live

oh i heard nessper was queueing that shit

💀

@sharp meteor assa has 2 shivs on beta

with hemotoxin

[sharp meteor]

💀

[tranquil hemlock]

I really wish they would’ve left trinket’s at 15%

Tired of playing orc

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, made the mistake of pushing as a meme race this season.

Hopefully my healers don't resent me too much.

[near delta]

Lok'tar Ogar

[lucid walrus]

c&s major was so ridiculous

literally more tanky in stuns than out of them

[lean island]

They already changed to 10 in beta?

[lucid walrus]

yeah

[sharp meteor]

ya

[lean island]

Lol why? Everything was fine with 10%

[copper hare]

They thought they could make even more money when every human has to swap to orc

[fickle bloom]

As Kyrian should I go with the sword or hammer for fury

For two handed

[near delta]

Hammer. Mastery is super good for fury.

[warped warren]

huh?

just morph to another race or

[sharp meteor]

I think that they could both be fine but the more conservative choice is probably the mastery.

[lean island]

I don’t think so…70% of pvp players are orcs now + I ll never swap my human with shrek even if immune to cc xD

[muted surge]

at what point does the racial even matter?

[raw summit]

Sub rogues lose a global per stun on orcs so in metas where stuns are good it's insane

Less likely to die in a hoj as orc etc

Also bloodfury is just good for dam

Same for the pet thing

[spice hornet]

In a high burst meta like this it means a lot

[muted surge]

if orc wouldnt be the ugliest race in game :(

[lean island]

still a nerf for orcs so i'm happy...they have now only 10% less cc duration, and humans still have will to survive

[elfin surge]

orc is the best looking esp for warrior

[lean island]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-shrek-dance-gif-25234498

orc 🙂

[muted surge]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But some are just wrong!

[elfin surge]

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

orc

[lean island]

i only see a human 🙂

[elfin surge]

https://tenor.com/view/najmi-gif-24503272

fury main

[wheat jay]

Oh nice you got new glasses

They suit you

[spice hornet]

Why would anyone listen to a prot main

They added a mud emoji

But they won’t make him stormforged 🤔

[lean burrow]

does new 10% cc reduction work against disarm?

rele trinket didn't work on disarm

[warped warren]

human female >>>>>

[fickle forge]

[spice hornet]

That happened to me on the 2nd week of S4

Same guy

Getting bop’d in opener with smoke bomb on me

[fickle forge]

This time around they trapped a rogue so he couldn't pre anything and then swapped him with cheap

RIP'd in a cast

[spice hornet]

When I was playing S4 at start it went from mm hunters doing that, to necrolord assass rogues with their cheese build, and then i started seeing demo locks again and that’s when I stopped logging into the game

All around 2400mmr+ with dead qs

Wrath is dogshit in its own way but at least it’s more entertaining than slands s4

[fickle forge]

Dragonland will surely make it fun again

[sharp meteor]

I just queued into them the other day, yeah.

it was like 200k in 0.3 seconds.

[spice hornet]

When I play furry and queue into assass/spriest

Just dead all game

[sharp meteor]

Honestly Assa/Sp has felt fine recently.

Idk how to deal with Spear+Sp, though. I just explode through everything.

[spice hornet]

That hurts too

Hated that in s2 too

[solemn dock]

So looking at the chat above, do you always sound like a bunch of retired couples arguing?

I'm new here xd

[sage raptor]

Less stun. There's a big difference.

[sage raptor]

Yes

It's quite fun to stir the pot

[solemn dock]

🙂

sounds like i'll fit right in lol

[sage raptor]

Speaking of stirring the pot. I queued bdk/hpal last night and people kept leaving the arenas giving me free CR lol

[raw summit]

stop leaking the mud strat man

[spice hornet]

Ran into mud playing kyrian prot warrior + rdruid in 2s @raw summit

[raw summit]

Bro i am so confused

[spice hornet]

It’s the ghost of @Bruin

Haunts this channel

[elfin surge]

[spice hornet]

@elfin surge we good?

[spice hornet]

can someone pro make me a macro please i need help with warrior
something like this plz
/castsequence reset=20 Kidney shot, Garrote, Rupture, Blood Fury, Shiv, Vendetta, Sepsis, Vanish, Fan of Knives, Envenom, Multilate, Envenom
but i need one for furry or arms plz n ty

[lucid walrus]

fr belongs in a museum

[ancient sonnet]

Crafted gear that adds to the PvP Trinket Bonus... Race debate is back on

[nimble jasper]

orc allegedly stacks with the bonuses

[sharp meteor]

Pls no.

[nimble jasper]

also what is this spaghetti

two tabards

[sharp meteor]

Wild.

Oh, that might be due to the uhhh

originally s4 was gonna be red but people bitched and they made s3 red

[graceful ginkgo]

Should stack, the tooltip doesnt rule it out

[ancient sonnet]

Hopefully not. Orcs would be insane then

[sharp meteor]

No, it really, REALLY shouldn't lmao

[ancient sonnet]

^

[graceful ginkgo]

Actually, it shouldnt

Jeah

[sharp meteor]

I want Orc nerfed so I can play my memeshit at slightly less of a disadvantage.

[graceful ginkgo]

Distinction gives 10% non stacking

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, and crafted thing buffs it to 15% nonstacking.

[graceful ginkgo]

And those boots increase that 10% by 5%

So non stacking 15%, exactly

[ancient sonnet]

So essentially Orcs have 5% stun reduction and can save some gold for not having to buy crafted boots

[sharp meteor]

🧠

[sharp meteor]

Yes, although it's 5% extra non stun cc I guess.

so it'd be up to alternative bonuses and stats on the gear

but yeah if you can grab a crafted piece to bring trinket bonus from 10 to 15 without inting stats then that's so cool

[ancient sonnet]

Where do you see non-stun tradeoff?

[graceful ginkgo]

Why bother making that item tho?

Blizz should just go back to 15% on 2 Set

Anyways, I’ll take it… racial variety = good

[copper hare]

WAIT WHAT ARE THEY DOING

[ancient sonnet]

Crafted gear boosts the PvP trinket CC bonus from 10 to 15%

[copper hare]

yeah but if it stacks then orc has 25%, still better right

[ancient sonnet]

no way it stacks

[copper hare]

blizz pvp team is full of crackheads I swear

[graceful ginkgo]

Like there‘s a full team

[copper hare]

Yeah, it's probably a pet dog or something

or some ape

[graceful ginkgo]

On Crack

[copper hare]

can you imagine like a golden retriever doing pvp tuning? I wouldn't be surprised

[near delta]

Wat

Thats really strange right?

Like why not just tie it into the bonus

[ancient sonnet]

Because professions are important!

[spice hornet]

Need you purchasing WoW tokens still since leggos are going away

[sharp meteor]

Some belf ret paid me 300k in unchained for 1100>1400

er sinful

[spice hornet]

Jesus

[near delta]

Wtf lol

[copper hare]

I hate druid having tranq and priest having rezz legendary so much. You can't even punish the worst players anymore

its disgusting how aggressive druids can play with tranq because they know they cant die

[wheat jay]

And if they use tranq agressively then that's all

Done

[nimble jasper]

watching bron knock tranq immune

is the funniest shit

[copper hare]

btw my druid just dropped that

https://gyazo.com/1ee8172964de1d8499dbf708a9b85daf

what do we think about that LOL

[sharp meteor]

Thinking isn't really my thing.

[nimble jasper]

needs buff

[nimble jasper]

me trying to think why lfg priests still play venthyr

even worse when they mg a dps without self heals

[copper hare]

https://www.twitch.tv/tiqqlethis/clip/ReliableAbnegateBisonThunBeast-eZ-aIV_B_wco0CA6

tuning looks fine on beta

[sharp meteor]

rip enh rip turbo

[lean burrow]

15% cc reduction is back

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldofpvp/comments/y8f4yb/crafted_pvp_gear_in_df_with_a_modifier_that_buffs/

Orcs are in shambles

[sharp meteor]

It's always cool when the bis thing gets nerfed.

Suddenly you can start entertaining the notion of some alternatives.

[sage raptor]

love to see it

[indigo barn]

You can test reg PvP gear on beta yeah?

[fading path]

I would like to pvp some more in dragonflight did a few BG’s and 2vs2 arenas and it was fun

But how good is warrior in pvp with the next expansion?

[copper hare]

It's way too early to tell. Right now arms feels horrible, fury a little bit better. As always, keep your hopes high and expectations low

[fading path]

Aaah oke thanks

[shy aurora]

Do i need to buy DF to play prepatch? I havent bought the game yet cause idk if i cba more wow

[graceful ginkgo]

On which items for cloth, leather, mail are the 5%? Boots as well?

[lean burrow]

idk

i don't have beta

[graceful ginkgo]

I mean if mail has it on belt or sth, hello 20%

[muted surge]

no

[sturdy ember]

Hey guys, PvP for wotlk - stat priority should be str for now right ?

from gems i mean

[light jacinth]

Yes and AP l8r

[sturdy ember]

when exactly can we reach AP cap ?
on ICC? or TOC ?

[graceful ginkgo]

#mop-discussion

[lean burrow]

wotlk

[warped warren]

wotlk

[shy aurora]

Do we have legendaries in DF ?

[warped warren]

yea, they implemented signet and dn

[spice hornet]

Wrath lol

[spice hornet]

Wrath is DF waiting room for non-warmane /eu private server try hards let’s be real

Rated solo shuffle gonna bring a lot of participation

[graceful ginkgo]

Yeah, Rated shuffle by itself is gonna end Wrath pvp

[raw summit]

cope

[muted surge]

totally, with the broken builds during pre patch, you gonna have fun against ww/dh/enh :D

[graceful ginkgo]

Well, I am ofc assuming Blizz is tuning the current oneshot classes until then

[muted surge]

big

[lean burrow]

shadowlands tuning

[graceful ginkgo]

Idk, the gearing changes and the addition of solo queue are great, maybe balance will be ok as well

[warped warren]

ok relax 🤣

[spice hornet]

A lot of people haven’t bothered with WoW pvp because they have to deal with LFG/manually form groups. Other games you just sign up and jump into rated stuff. It will certainly bring participation back

[warped warren]

yea i wanna play 6 rounds of soloq games

if they made it actual soloq with some comp limitations

it would be fine

but this shit is cringe

[lean burrow]

I'm gonna think in soloq "should I give advice to this dude? or is he gonna use that against me in later rounds?"

[spice hornet]

Hahah all very good points

[sharp meteor]

honestly worst bit is the tank rounds

be the only class without a major stop

just get dogpiled all six rounds

on stuff like warr/hunter

[warped warren]

yeah :kekw

[graceful ginkgo]

Jeah true

[sharp meteor]

maybe other specs won't be as durable or warr will be more ability to last and it'll be fine at lower mmrs but just getting a straight 0-6 after a good queue session because you're stuck with 2 tanks and no hybrids

[graceful ginkgo]

Still, better than sitting in Oribos

[sharp meteor]

tru

press button, get game

very cool

[graceful ginkgo]

Jeah

Warr sustain seems better than SL, Could still be fine even with tanks

[sharp meteor]

yeah could be completely fine i just think it could be super annoyinglmao

[graceful ginkgo]

Or play Prot

[sharp meteor]

especially since most tank players eat paste

ig tank shuffles will be rare above like mid mmr

then it's just cringe prot pala mirror or something

[graceful ginkgo]

Prot Pala could be good

[sharp meteor]

honestly tanks prob easiest way to climb

[graceful ginkgo]

Not sure tbh, but they still have wog

[sharp meteor]

u know it'll always b u vs another tank

no healers ever

and nobody knows what most tanks do

so

[muted surge]

better than sl, but worse than any other class

[low sparrow]

It says that legendary’s will work in Shadowlands Contant in pre-patch R Arenas considered Shadowlands still or that’s it it’s done no legendary’s in arena?

[ancient sonnet]

We'll find out in a couple days. Rated shuffle is gonna be a cluster f*ck for a while regardless though lol

[raw summit]

I cant wait for df pvp gearing

[lean burrow]

can't wait for 1 month afk pre-season in DF

[craggy socket]

what rating are you guys in wrath?

[undone pumice]

bench check

[raw summit]

Wise mystical tyler1

[fickle forge]

Mystical T1 about to get the channel nuked again

[undone pumice]

wise mystical t1 with the 9.2 pin

[fickle forge]

One day he'll update it, surely

[willow stratus]

anyone have a good spear macro I can use

also necro or kyrian with SP/rdruid

[sharp meteor]

Have normal reticle cast bound then there's @cursor for one that's faster and @clear halo to throw it directly beneath yourself.

[sharp meteor]

Spear somebody while spriest sends their load into them.

[willow stratus]

could you DM them to me by chance bro

which do you find yourself using most often?

[sharp meteor]

I only really use reticle.

[frank knoll]

We get the new talents in prepatch, a lot of which are just old conduit, legendary and covenants effects. Eager to see how this will work if they don’t disable the old stuff

[sharp meteor]

Tier is disabled.

Conduits nerfed by like 66-75% on PTR, not sure how that goes.

[lean burrow]

is this good against abom limb?

[wheat jay]

no

its good against affli, spriest, MAYBE ele but not sure

[lean burrow]

ty

gonna be sad if surv goes back to oblivion in DF

what's a good talent against dks?

[lucid walrus]

i don’t think that does anything into abom

like at all

[wheat jay]

nah

its got best playstyle imo

just has to be strong

if its undertuned then it'll be RIP

it will be 100% dependant on its damage

[uneven turret]

wait there is crafted boots that gives 5% cc reduction, so total is 15% really. Is orc still best?

[raw summit]

expansion is literally not out

[lean burrow]

abom limb's description says damage over time

btw, what about dragonscale vs dh's immolation?

[lucid walrus]

i don’t think it counts since it’s not an actual dot put on you though

[frank knoll]

Need prepatch tierlist asap

[wheat jay]

Watch people bash on supatease and argue no matter in what tier he puts warrior specs

[near delta]

If they don't fix that ele/enh bug they'll be s++++++ tier lol

[wheat jay]

The oneshot random thing?

Bro you can expect thousands of Bugs

When it launches

And if there's one on survival

I shall abuse it so hard enemies will dm me saying "harder daddy"

[copper hare]

I remember 2 weeks ago when I said evokers are fucking useless. Well guess what, now they're oneshotting everything

[sharp meteor]

Ele is just flame shock.

[wheat jay]

Ye

[frank knoll]

The only thing supatease is talking about rn is how boomy is getting screwed with

I saw BM hunters randomly one shotting people too

[wheat jay]

Lmao

[frank knoll]

Yeah was watching some Beta PvP

Lock went from like 60-0 when a BM brought a bunch of his pets out

In like 2 globals, not really one shot but you get the point

[wheat jay]

Ah ye they got some weird talents to summon a zoo on your ass

[willow stratus]

does solo shuffle give reown currently?

[wheat jay]

Lmao

[near delta]

It's actually not random at all lol. People have a cast sequence macro for it even.

[wheat jay]

Already?

Ahahahah

Fun stuff

[near delta]

Yuppp lol

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/en/wow/t/lack-of-focused-pvp-testing-in-df-beta-list-of-problems/1369048/11

[sharp meteor]

Yeah, it getting a bunch of visibility is good.

Hope they don't actually delete the specs that can do it, though.

[wheat jay]

I hope they do

[lean burrow]

i just joined epic bg while it already ended and everyone was leaving

[wheat jay]

Fuck every spec that can just cast sequence xD

[lean burrow]

[near delta]

Yup. Snupy made a vid on it today.

[indigo barn]

Idk why they can't just do PvP modifiers on everything and have an interface option to show this modifier when mousing over abilities

[wheat jay]

They can

There are pvp modifiers

They just dont balance pvp enough

[raw summit]

warr will be good in solo shuffle once everyone else is nerfed

[steep inlet]

War is good in solo

[copper hare]

Well current fury is, but most talk about DF.

[raw summit]

Fury retains a lot of the SL stuff except crushing blow charge

I think

At least the OF empower to CB didnt charge, would have to check RA

[copper hare]

No bladestorm, ravager is insanely cringe in arenas, no crushing blow charge, war right now probably has the 2 best covenants in arena and banner is gone and spear is nerfed. Fury feels better than arms but both specs feel meh

fury is def way tankier though

[steep inlet]

Arms DF is good

[copper hare]

Really, when was the last time you queued some arenas on beta?

[raw summit]

Spear is 1,30

[raw summit]

In execute phase in pve*

Trille played Arms on beta and it looked decent but not broken enough to properly compete

[copper hare]

Arms has only one thing right now, skullsplitter burst setup takes a chunk of someones hp if they don't press a def cd. Apart from that, I wanna know what kind of game Troma tested haha

[wheat jay]

by setup you mean rend > mortal > skullsplitter?

that's not setup, that's two skills before using it 😄

[tribal wedge]

more than 1 button, it's a good setup

[raw summit]

It's hard to tell when someone is gna sks you if you have rend on you most of the time

So pre defensiving it outside of a clear go is tricky

[copper hare]

That's exactly what you call a setup. Incap > bonedust brew > leg sweep ain't hard either, but it's still a setup. :D

[undone pumice]

i update it when dragonflight launches and also plug my instagram while im at it

[fickle forge]

Except one's a rotation and the other are CDs

[copper hare]

Well, it's more like rend > mortal > cs/avatar > roar > skull. That's also cds. Anyway, my point was, that's the only thing arms has.

I wasn't implying that it's hard to press certain buttons in a row.

[undone pumice]

according to rmp it is

[muted surge]

just charge -> rend -> sks ~ 80-100k dmg against a non buffed, unmoving rogue, 30 sec cd and gotta reapply the dots. after that we dont do shit anymore with the bleed build i think

(thats 1 instant of another class btw)

atleast with wb and avatar you could theoretical kill someone

[copper hare]

Yeah assuming they don't move and don't get healed haha

[wheat jay]

You dont detonate roar

[muted surge]

but im not 100% if i play wrongm or not, but an dev evoker can just outheal my dmg when im outside avatar

fury seems way easier, more dmg and more sustain atm

[copper hare]

Nah no worries, there is not much you can do wrong atm. Tuning is really weird, arms just hits like a wet noodle compared to the other specs. Which is weird because 3-4 weeks ago it felt so much different. I queued a couple solo shuffles this week and got globaled through def stance and parry everytime I queued into evoker/ele/enh/windwalker/arcane mage, while doing a third of their damage

[muted surge]

atleast the wep enchant can hit

idk def stance doesnt feel worth pressing at all atm

parry doesnt work anyway bcs every class has some magic shit that goes through it

except maybe monk

[copper hare]

Usually I was never worried about tuning on beta, but it's so awkward because we are just one week away from pre patch. There surely is just no pvp team anymore.

[muted surge]

but they can burst you down in ~ 1.5 sec in a stun

[copper hare]

And yeah def stance is fucking ass, if they don't at least bring it back to something like 15-15%

[muted surge]

it sucks that we need to even take def stance for shout and inter

[muted surge]

did you play beta and can show some vods or anything? maybe im just missing smth

[copper hare]

There is probably one new developer working on pvp who has no clue about all the old pvp modifiers so they don't even know about d stance haha

[muted surge]

from the classes and specs i tried ( feral, enh, dk, dh, ret) and oh boy

pvp tuning is on point atm!

[copper hare]

yeah enh hitting for 800k feels nice

[fickle forge]

So it's the same type of stand as S3 destro lock

[quaint snow]

so warrior will be a wheelchair ♿️ noice

[raw summit]

Bounding stride + 2 charges

Dt cdr and bstride cdr pvp modifier are removed

[muted surge]

:(

[raw summit]

[muted surge]

(getting hit my 200k firebreath while sleeping)

[elfin surge]

😦

[cursive venture]

Anyone report that you can take off stances like a buff? That doesn't seem right.

[muted surge]

in beta you can

[cursive venture]

Yea, thats what im saying