mop-discussion

[restive gorge]

Would love to see the logs 😍 grats with 100

[hollow viper]

HiHII

[wheat zodiac]

brewfest trink isnt upgradable, if you're going to play fury sadly you gotta grind the rep for landfall to get the crit trink from there

[glossy quartz]

The comment wasn’t about upgrading or bis, simply the spec plays well with 1100 crit

[wheat zodiac]

yea

just warning brewfest trink is 10% proc rate on crit

so if ur crit is 30% thats a 3% chance on each hit

im currently grinding landfall for the stupid crit trinket 😐

[glossy quartz]

It’s a super easy option that smooths out early growing pangs

[wheat zodiac]

if you have DMF trink + lei shen celestial it is better than lei shen

[restive gorge]

For fury 100% yes due to the passive crit

Sim your setup here https://www.wowsims.com/mop/warrior/fury/#

[wheat zodiac]

i raided with the guy who does the APL for arms in cata

with my gear it was a 1700dps downgrade to go from H lei shen at 510 to brew trink

[glossy quartz]

Brew fest trinket sims better for me for arms and fury than upgraded celestial final order. I tested it before I ever queued up for it.

Again this isn’t about sims, bis, or upgrades. Just stating I used it and it felt nice 🙂

There's fully upgraded celestial final order vs brewfest trinket with my setup

[old plover]

what your thought about race? now in tot a lot of bosses are beasts, is troll gonna be bis?

[half stump]

does the orc axe racial (1% expertise when using axes) show up in the char screen or do i only need to aim for 6.5% when using axes?

[restive gorge]

it shows up automatically

in char screen ^^

[mental fog]

hi guys
Im starting to learn arms warrior and i am struggling to understand why you would ever press heroic strike over slam when overcapping rage.. both by comparing the tooltip numbers and the dmg done looking at some logs it makes no sense to me.. can someone explain this?

[haughty lynx]

Slam is on the global cooldown, so if you press slam you are not pressing something else - heroic strike is not on global cooldown so you don’t lose another ability to press it

[mental fog]

Ahh, that actually makes alot of sense 😄 didnt realise that, thx for the explanation

[slow hill]

Yo what are your guys‘ keybinds like? I need some inspiration because with my usual setup I feel like I‘m running out of binds, that are comfortable to press while moving or for rotational abilities in general. Also, do any of you use an mmo mouse with 6 or 12 buttons? If so, what do you put on that?

[crystal robin]

1 charge 2 slam 3 execute 4 overpower 5 mortal strike 6 colossus smash 7 heroic strike 8 tclap 9 idr 10 bladestorm

[haughty lynx]

it does feel like a lot of keybinds for a warr tbh

I have stuff I press all the time on 1-4, Q,E,S,R,F,X,C - stuff on longer cooldown I have on shift or alt modifiers

[crystal robin]

yeah warrior in mop has a ton of keybinds

I have my stances on mouse wheel

up for bstance down for zerker ctrl mwU for dstance

[twilit rampart]

F1-F3 for stances, scroll wheel leap and intervene, TFGV + shift and alt for rotation, QE + shift and alt for cc and pummel, ZX for aoe, 1-6 for main cds on use trinkets and racial, num1-num+ for additional cds and charge, alt of those for arena target cc macros

[sudden gust]

Do buffs from recklessness and reckless banner stack?

[rigid yoke]

What is a reckless banner? There is only skull banner and does a different thing

One is crit, the other crit damage

[haughty lynx]

And banner and recklessness do stack and should definitely be used at the same time, always

[sudden gust]

Ty

[sharp marsh]

Brawlers guild with fury warr was very easy

[rigid yoke]

yeah facerolled it prettry much

[restive gorge]

I feel that the brewfest trinket proccs alot more consistently on the ICD now after the reset somehow

[haughty lynx]

I never checked if the domination offensive rep trinket was any good, 1 min on use crit seems like it might be good

[crystal robin]

It is slightly above dark moon deck iirc

[haughty lynx]

hmm use effect won't stack with eng gloves though right?

[restive gorge]

Brewfest crit trinket and domination trinket are both 2k more dps than darkmoon

if u play fury, for arms xuen is still better

domination trinket is the bis with a few hundred more dps than the brewfest one

but i just hate on-use trinkets tbh. passive crit ftw

[sudden gust]

What are drop chances of power/wisdom sigils from celestial dungeons?

[proper warren]

pretty low but you can spam scarlet halls and farm wisdoms pretty quick

[tawdry bloom]

for pvp, what gems are you guys running

[worn wraith]

From icy veins

[sudden gust]

It seems the pumped up drops chances from celestial dungeons. Or i got lucky.

[proper warren]

I think you're right, I'm having a much easier time getting them this week

[autumn lily]

nm shin-ka vs hc starshatter for arms?

[crystal robin]

sim it

but whichever is higher ilvl

[autumn lily]

which addon, and which website are used for simming in MoP?

[haughty lynx]

wowsims

[haughty lynx]

HC Starshatter simmed higher for me, even as an orc

[haughty lynx]

wowsims exporter addon will let you export your gear to the sim website

[autumn lily]

I see, thanks for helping out!

[wheat zodiac]

should only go fury once you got double shinka heroic tbh

[glossy quartz]

heroic starshatter sims higher than normal shinka with sha gem for me as an orc as well

[glossy quartz]

I never said you SHOULD, I just said I did and the playstyle has definitely smoothed out and the spec feels nice.

[wheat zodiac]

i have 1 h shin'ka 1 h starshatter and fury is rly awkward bc i get parried with OH but its not worth getting the extra expertise for it

hopefully i bonus roll 2nd shin'ka next week bc its gonna be a while before everyone has one

[glossy quartz]

at 505 with (decent) itemization i'm still 10k behind arms sims but it's fun none the less

[wheat zodiac]

they are about equal for me at 512, fury might be like 500 behind

but if i get 2nd shinka it will def pull ahead (and if i get the stupid landfall revered trinket)

[glossy quartz]

I’m working on the stupid trinket as well

[haughty lynx]

I just got heroic dark vortex last night and it seems to sim better than the brewfest trinket for me

[glossy quartz]

Good to know since I still can’t get a heroic final order to drop. I’ll sim it and see if it’s substantial for me or not

[vapid oriole]

So im new here, but im seeing a general consensus that Arms > Fury unless your bis geared then Gury does SLIGHTLY better?

[haughty lynx]

Even at BIS gear arms is still probably marginally better for this tier but fury will probably outperform in future tiers

You’re not griefing your raid playing fury if you have decent gear though

[vapid oriole]

Full bis on wow Sims has fury ahead by 7k

[glossy quartz]

keep in mind once youre full bis your killtimes are insane and fury will preform "better" reflecting those shorter killtimes too. The arms kit is definitely better for progression, and for a lot of the fights in this tier.

I'm playing fury on a few fights at 509 just because I can. It's almost equal to my arms sims and plays smooth now that im sitting at 30% crit buffed

[restive gorge]

Trinket aquired ❤️

[rigid yoke]

My stupid ass didnt think that the rep trinket was bis, i gotta farm from friendly now

[rain spoke]

508 ilvl here with hc shinka 517 + nm shinka 504
Should I consider to swap to fury seing all the post here ?

I guess double spec to play arm on aoe heavy fight and fury on single target inst an option unless you constantly reforge
But toes has less aoe than hof or msv so

[crystal robin]

sim both specs see the difference, then spec into the one you want to play

[rain spoke]

Yeah f it I ll go fury
Smf is my goal but f I used all my Prio on 2h

[queen kestrel]

How is a arms warrior supposed to survive during Battletron in brawlers guild? I'm doing 116k dps and consistently dying around 48% and out of cds.

[glossy quartz]

as of right now TG is simming quite a bit better than SMF if you go off of the p2 sims, it might level out in ToT once we can maintain a playable amount of crit without the need for two big stat sticks that account for 2000+ crit

but sim it, always sim it

[queen kestrel]

Nvm, I got him down. Swapping to Second Wind talent did the trick!

[vapid oriole]

I beat it by popping all defensive cds and blowing up like 2-4 orbs at the start, gave me so much room to dance comfortably. And then second wind is broken for bralwers guild

[vapid oriole]

Fury is so much more fun to play in raid ever arms. Anyone else feel the same? Did it last night and actually enjoyed seeing all the big numbers and mega burst at the start

[haughty lynx]

anyone know if the rallying cry thing still works on Tsulong or if its fixed? google only tells me about 2012 patch notes

[pallid crane]

Nah they fixed that sadly

[foggy junco]

Guys i have a question, someon told me about using thunderclap on rotation, because apply the bleeding

But also some attacks apply the bleedings

so how its the perfect way to use it?

i werent using thunderclap at all

[vapid oriole]

Use thunderclap on fights with multiple targets, nor really worth it vs solo bosses

[glossy quartz]

It’s much more fun to play imo. Arms cleave / aoe is still amazing though. I plan on using both where they shine 🙂

[hazy token]

Warrior alt here... is fury the way to go now? is it gear dependant on when to switch? Or is it pretty close with arms? Thanks!

[crystal robin]

play whichever you prefer theyre both fine

[hazy token]

sounds good to me 🙂

[proper warren]

Totally agree with this, but if you do care for DPS. Fury is starting to pull ahead in single target fights and should be firmly overall the better spec once geared from ToT (2 piece set from ToT is crazy for fury as well as just gear in general having better scaling for fury). But arms cleave/AOE is insane and may always be a little better especially on 2-3 enemy encounters

[glossy quartz]

At 510 fury finally did pull ahead on sims for me. Without heroic shinkas or the dominance offensive trinket.

I don’t love it but heroic vortex upgraded did sim 700dps higher than relic which is what finally tipped the scales for me personally.

[proper warren]

Relic isn't close to the best trinket for fury neither is vortex

[glossy quartz]

Did I say they were?

[proper warren]

Alright? Lol

[glossy quartz]

All I said was that an upgraded heroic vortex made fury surpass my arms sims

[proper warren]

I wanna say upgraded carbuncle is probably better than them both depends on gear probably

[glossy quartz]

I'm not implying its bis thats easy to look up, but I don't have a heroic final order or dominance offensive rep trinket personally

[proper warren]

I'm working with corens and dominance which I believe are 2nd and 3rd bis behind heroic final order dominance might be better than final order haven't done the Sims for it

[glossy quartz]

I have corens, relic, 497 final order, and 517 vortex, I wrote off carbuncle which is a close second to 517 vortex but with my gear corens and vortex sim the best

carbuncle is less than 100 dps behind vortex though and tbh with how the spec flows I might recover mine and keep one in my bags to mess with

[proper warren]

I kept my carbuncle until I got dominance. Carbuncle Simd higher for me than normal final orders by a few hundred. I'm not sold on vortex being better haste is just such a useless stat for fury but almost 50 ilvl does make a difference I suppose

[glossy quartz]

right now that i see carbuncle is only simming 100dps down, I'd rather almost have the crit proc because thats made up by a few lucky crits

[proper warren]

I go all in on crit and it usually performs better in boss fights than what "bis" is. I'm 503 with heroic starshatter, been very unlucky with shinka, single target and raid buffed I can pull around 140k consistent with 31% crit

[rain jetty]

Try to sim skullrender

Should be much better

[glossy quartz]

is there anything you can do to get like 100 more dominance offensive rep

im at 10700 and get a new story line quest at 10800 to get revered before raid tonight

[proper warren]

That's where I was at I just had to wait til the next day. Kinda scuffed

[glossy quartz]

the alli rares dont give or drop anything rep based other than black prince, does any of the world pvp give any rep?

[proper warren]

I wanna say it's just the dailies or related quests

[rigid yoke]

yep, only that

[cosmic portal]

I do not get it really what i should prioritize..is it overpower ir slam when cs is not rdy ?

[glossy quartz]

Slam costs a lot of rage to be using a lot out of CS window. I avoid it as much as i can while minding rage cap

[polar flicker]

Is it better combo without the CS window to do OP and HS

I am looking at some logs of the top warriors the HS usage has gone through the roof

[glossy quartz]

certain fights like protectors and tsulong with high aura damage, that usage is coming from berserker stance generating crazy amounts of rage

not because it does more damage per point of rage cost

[polar flicker]

Is there a log channel for analysis for mop cause I really want to check what am I doing wrong and learn

[glossy quartz]

so im not in a parse oriented group, but I consistently parse 85-90 which says a lot seeing as how our bottom 2-3 dps in our 10 man are green / blue parsing, pm me and ill take a look

[polar flicker]

well atm I am green parser so 😄

[crystal robin]

mortal strike > CS > execute in cs > op at 4/5 in CS window > slam in cs window > OP at 3 or below with or without CS > slam/exe if near 100 rage and nothing to press > heroic strike when about to cap rage

[vapid oriole]

I suck at parsing. Haven't done well since tbc lol. No idea how to get better but if snykne wnats to dm me and look at my logs to help feel free.

Torress - Grobbulus

[vestal steeple]

1h way behind as fury?

[proper warren]

Yeah it's a 10-15% dps decrease atm

[rigid yoke]

ye only play it if you dont find decent 2hs

[polar flicker]

Any idea if startattack macro is useful and also reducing the lag tolerance from 400 to boost my dps?

[ruby heart]

what blue socket gems are best for warriors that dont use hit since the gear gives me enough now

[proper warren]

You could try off socketing, for fury at least it's almost always better to just do crit gems unless the socket bonus is crit

[wheat zodiac]

🙁

[haughty lynx]

are you sure socketing hit is still not the right choice? you might essentially be able to reforge that hit to crit while still getting the socket bonus

[ruby heart]

That is what i do now just wasnt sure if people has better options now that im getting so much native hit on gear. Also insaw a comment above should my yellow slots be pure crit or still strength crit

[haughty lynx]

am afraid the answer is sim it and see

[rigid yoke]

Depends on the bonus. I would recommend using wowsims suggest reforge function, and tick the "include gems" options

[ruby heart]

How about deep wounds. I just leanred (havent been arms long) that DW doesnt stack but resets when you MS again. Do i need to worry about letting it tick off before doing an MS?

[ruby heart]

Thanks ill look into that

[haughty lynx]

nooo, do not think about deep wounds at all, smash that MS on cooldown. The only time DW should enter your brain is in aoe, you want to clap enough to keep everything bleeding

[ruby heart]

Good thanks. I was not about that if it was the case.

[ruby heart]

Does anything interrupt the AA swing timer?

[vapid oriole]

won it to play around with (noone else needed) anyone have experiance with it?

(fury)

[proper warren]

1300 agi is too much of a useless stat. even a non upgraded carbuncle is bettter

[vapid oriole]

1300 agi is still 700 ap and a few % crit no?

[rigid yoke]

it is like 0.1% crit afaik

[crystal robin]

pretty sure agi doesnt give atk power and its a very small amount of crit very terrible stat

[proper warren]

@vapid oriolejust sim it. its always better to see for yourself

[glossy quartz]

Skullrender

[proper warren]

For fury it's skullrender>corens/heroic lei shen>carbuncle/relic>vortex

That's how most setups sim

[scarlet maple]

So do we spam slam no matter what in CS windows (if enought rage) or overpower > 3 stack?

[glossy quartz]

MS > slam during reck > overpower +4 > slam, during CS window.

Loosely. Lot more if thens just generalizing for simplicity sake

[scarlet pebble]

I see a lot of huge numbers from those who do very little slam and more OP and HS spams. Is that once you get high enough crit and can survive the starvation?

[glossy quartz]

It probably has a lot to do with kill times / aura damage etc. I know I sit berserker and mash heroic strike on protectors after I get the debuff, tsulong night phase, lei shei get away etc.

[crystal robin]

its more consistent, slam>op is more reliant on slam crits because you are basically foregoing a resource

also imo much easier to manage rage

however both philosophies of the rotation are very close numerically in sims

[drowsy cave]

hi, im a mop arms warrior but i was hoping for a brief hint with my log. since its mop would i link it here or in that help and log review in general discussion?

[crystal robin]

here

[drowsy cave]

https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8tGfawvrT3zFRqLZ?fight=last&type=damage-done&source=10 okay this should be the fight for normal empress. im venusasaboy. so its just her single target since it doesnt count the add phase. yeah we dont have the dps to push her in one phase so my active time is about as much as i can actually get I just want to make sure my rotation is fine

[fresh relic]

Hey i have a quick question. I got my 4th alt, warrior now on 85. read the guides and looked at sims. I don't understand one specific point... To "waste" rage you should use heroic strike but i see no advantage in it at all... the damage is realy low compared to slam... what point am i missing? Slam costs 5 rage less und does significant more dmg then heroic strike and i see no benefit from heroic strike. Can someone pls explain me that? On bosses my dmg ist much higher when i use slam instead of heroic strike.

Thank y'all

[haughty lynx]

You’re missing slam is on the GCD so if you press that you are not pressing something else, but HS is not on the GCD so you don’t lose an ability to press it

[fresh relic]

Ahhh okay sure. Have not thought about that! Thank very much !

[crystal robin]

heroic strike is only used when you would overcap your rage. If you are at full rage and press mortal strike you forego the rage you would have gained. Therein- you press heroic strike before the event which would grant you rage and be wasteful. It's just a matter of if the rage is wasted anyways why not spend it on something even if that something isnt great

like would I rather spend 5 bucks on a shitty pair of shoes or go without shoes

[glossy quartz]

We all know you’re rockin a nice pair of Gucci’s tho

[crystal robin]

ive been so locked into retail ive almost completely foregone mop.... first time fury has been meta in mplus I gotta make the best of it

[untold arrow]

is there a mop weakaura that tracks charges of raging blow? Foji's warrior wa doesn't track multiple charges and only indicates when raging blow is available

[crystal robin]

I think ahlaundo has onein his pack but since its just a buff on ur character its really easy to make

as well

[untold arrow]

Is there something I can read to make it?

[crystal robin]

there are tons of guides on youtube n stuff how to make weakauras, all u rlly need is the spell id tho

[glossy quartz]

I should play retail again I saw that too. I just hate starting from 0 at the end of an expansion

I hit a wall in mop. Can’t get heroic shinkas or a heroic final order. Bonus rolled lei Shen legs like 3-4 times now. I hate 10 man raiding. These p1 loot tables are kinda trash. Only 1 good shield and only 1 good raid trinket that most tank classes and all strength dps fight over 😆🤦🏻‍♂️

[hushed mango]

prot pally tryna get into prot warrior here. where can i find some good resources? youtube/wowhead etc hasnt been too fruitful. i was hoping to see some pinned comments. i dont really know how to navigate discord servers well ❤️

[crystal robin]

there is a discord in the pinned comments join it

read everything then check their pins

[hushed mango]

thanks g. i am boomer brain and could not figure that much out. i did make it to fight club all on my own haha

[glossy quartz]

How do we feel about this

[rigid yoke]

Well putting the power of the set into your own control instead of your bannerrotation is kinda nice

The fury enrage time could be annoying during progress, but getting more crit will help making it non relevant

[glossy quartz]

yes but i dont understand the verbiage on the actual 4set

i just got on ptr to read it off the actual gearset

so is reckless now 65% crit for 22 seconds?

and if so that may make glyph of recklessness worth taking? because itll reduce the crit chance by 12% but (hopefully) increase the duration of recklessness to 33 seconds?

if it interacts with the 4set properly?

[rigid yoke]

it will not interact with recklessness that way

it is a seperate buff to recklessness

^this is based on assumption tho, blizzard does wird things sometimes

[glossy quartz]

Apparently it gives you 5% more crit for the first 10 seconds of recklessness, ending in 30% crit for the last 2 seconds of the normal cooldown.

I understand wanting to utilize banner for raid utility rather than turning it into more of a personal offensive cd. I don’t find that to be equal at all though

I consider that a nerf.

[rigid yoke]

It should be similar for arms in value, i am not quite sure for fury tho

But i prefer less headache

[glossy quartz]

There’s no headache. Pop banner on opener and it’s up again for the raids 3 minute cool downs or sit on it for a lust / burn / execute

It essentially doubled our recklessness

Longer period of more crits equating to more crits more enrage more raging blows etc

[haughty lynx]

I still don't understand the wording

it can't stack so you have 65% crit chance for 10 seconds right?

although reck is just specials right, so this is auto attacks too?

it can't just be a 5% crit buff for 10 seconds, that would be lame

[rigid yoke]

It gives the recklessness crit and the buff itself gives crit, why shouldn it not be able to stack?

It is a different buff

https://www.wowhead.com/mop-classic/spell=138127/reckless-precision

[haughty lynx]

that will probably be 100% crit chance then for 10 seconds, guessed that seemed too good but no complaints

[glossy quartz]

I was told by a real sweaty boy whose been heroic progging on ptr that it’s just 5% extra crit for 10 seconds reducing to normal recklessness for the last 2 of its 12 second buff. Not 35+30.

Which is horribly lame

If that’s the case. Huge nerf

But it’s just been changed this week I’m hoping it’s susceptible to change still

It may also not currently interact as intended? Idk. Small indie company

This is all theory crafting I bear no real facts. Just trying to figure it out

[haughty lynx]

I guess it affecting white hits when reck doesn't is not "nothing", but I hope its current state is a bug

[rigid yoke]

Wowsims shows it as seperate buff, but you can easily check it on ptr. I might check on it later

[glossy quartz]

I got on ptr to read the set bonus. Didn’t find a way to obtain the gear without tokens

[rigid yoke]

yep, cant really

but i assume the guy that told you that forgot, that recklessness doesnt actually give you crit in frame,i could be wrong, we will see

[rigid yoke]

The sets are now buyable on the ptr, and it is exactly as i stated, you gain the buff i linked, which is seperate from recklessness.

[glossy quartz]

That’s frustrating, and annoying.

5% crit for 10 seconds of a 12 second buff. Great 🥲

[rigid yoke]

How is 30+35=5

You have +65%crit until the first buff runs out

Recklessness does not show in window due to only applying to specials and not autos

So for 10 seconds +65% and for the rest only 30%

[glossy quartz]

So we’re at crit cap now 🙄

For not even the full duration of reck. Thanks blizzard

If they at least buffed recklessness rather than making it a separate buff the glyph would have at least come into play

[glossy quartz]

So, it increases your actual crit rating (rather than critical rate of abilities like recklessness). I think you said this but I hadn’t got to log in to ptr and mess with it until yesterday. 38.85% crit unbuffed, 73.85% crit with 4set ((recklessness adds another 30% to abilities after that for 103.85 (for abilities?) Wonder how those interact still))

I don’t love it, I think there were better ways to rework it, but it plays alright. I still would have preferred 22 seconds (12 from reck 10 from banner) of 30% increased crit, but that’s not an option so whatever.

[rigid yoke]

It is additive, you think to hard about how 30+35 add up, you dont really have to wonder about it.

But yeah, being critcapped(for abilities) for 10 secs vs being softcapped for 22 secs might be worse. On the other hand, your rb and hs during it will also always crit so it might not be a big loss at all

[crystal robin]

wouldnt the 22s just make it so when you banner it doesnt cover the whole duration of the time u have extra crit chance and are absolutely turbo fucking the boss

bc isnt banner crit damage not crit chance I might be completely stupid

I havent logged into mop in so long

like 100% crit chance + crit damage for 10s just sounds way better than
30% extra crit chance for 22s and crit damage for half of that

also what im wondering more with the set is

do the autos that activate enrage grant a charge of rb

like that seems insanely powerful more so than the extra crit during reck

but, naturally, that depends on the chance it has to activate and what it means for enrage uptime

[rigid yoke]

the old setbonus said that the banner gives you 35% critchance for 10 secs, that was changed to instead be granted by recklessnes

the 2set gives a stack but its like 3ppm?

the procchance is lower for fury than for arms afaik

0.6rppm seemingly, source is old, could be wrong

1.6 for arms

1.0 for prot

so basically nonexistent

[crystal robin]

3 ppm isnt that bad tho its 20% enrage uptime from just auto attacking in an ideal world where it doesnt overlap

[rigid yoke]

well 3ppm was my first guess

but its 0.6ppm

so you get a proc every other minute +-

[scarlet maple]

so is the set good?

[glossy quartz]

I’ve been playing it. Feels fine. Plus side is what Golg said that you get a ton of crit including your auto attacks for 10 seconds now with banner. I’m just salty they’re changing things I’m a nostalgic player

[lucid lion]

Hi guys

Im new to warrior, have any macro list that is a must have?

[glossy quartz]

Realistically I have a macro for offensive cool downs, and an @targetoftarget macro for vigilance, an interrupt focus target macro, then I personally macro rally and banner @cursor together just because I’m in a 10 man and put together they’re very substantial where as alone they don’t feel as situation swaying. It’s more preference and quality of life now, rather than a necessity like previous expansions

[lucid lion]

Got it, and about weakaura which ones do u recommend?

[glossy quartz]

I use foji’s for raid but tell me when to track trinket procs, enrages, raging blows, sweeping strikes etc

Idk it’s not like we’re snapshotting anything so there’s not much to track. Don’t lose overpower or raging blow procs by over capping, don’t rage cap. Just focus on your priority list and watch your rage

[lucid lion]

Thanks

[warped basin]

Would love for someone to have a quick look at my logs and see where I'm going wrong. I'm not great at analysis.

Character name: Nerrfx (Arugal).

Don't mind tipping with PayPal or gold.

Thanks everyone 😊

[high gorge]

yo guys battle stance > berserker stance?

[rigid yoke]

you are battle stance most of the time

you change to berserk during aura damage bosses like tsulong

[rapid apex]

Is there a way to make more bleed damage? Another Warrior with about the same gear in my raid does much more damage per tick than me

[rigid yoke]

Same spec? Gear difference?

[zinc socket]

Hello, I have 7.5% expertise and hit rating, but I've noticed that bosses still block my attacks a lot. Why is that?

[haughty lynx]

Are you standing in front?

[rigid yoke]

An expertise rating of 7.5% only garantues that the boss won't dodge, he still can parry. You need 15% for parry, which you only want as a tank.
If you are fury, your offhand attacks can still miss, you will need a way higher hit chance to remove this chance, which you will never aim at

[zinc socket]

Doing only bosses like Brutallus in SWP makes it impossible to stay ahead, and the parry he does is too much.

[zinc socket]

So the solution is to hit them from behind and pray?

[rigid yoke]

what is the context? are you trying to solo swp right now?

then you are out of luck, in solo content you cannot really attack from behind and you have to live with it

if that is the case just use the "second wind" talent and chain some of your cooldowns if you can't do enough damage

[zinc socket]

The context is that I've seen a lot of parry, especially in galleon/sha and in bosses that I try to do alone, such as Brutallus or Patch in Naxx 10. I solve the former by positioning myself well, but the latter will be a matter of burst or die.

[rigid yoke]

you will always see them if you are not behind. Die by the sword and shieldwall should help you deal with solo ones, they can be quite difficult with lower gear.
Bosses that cast on targets tend to turn in their direction while casting, so you will get some parries in

Tbf second wind is a very powerfull tool for soloing old content in general

[rapid apex]

arms same spec and max 1 gs more or less

[haughty lynx]

Share log?

[leaden holly]

Does anyone know if Bladestorm/Storm Bolt/other "weapon damage" spells also scale with AP? Specifically for Prot, are those abilities just terrible compared to other AP-scaling abilities if your vengeance is high?

[rigid yoke]

Your weapon damage itself scales with ap, so those scale aswell, although at a lower rate than abilities using ap directly. But they are bad for prot in comparisson to the dragon roar or blood bath

[haughty lynx]

Bladestorm can be good for prot if you wanna swap to 2H during spin, it’s only worth it in really edge cases though, really not worth the hassle

[vapid oriole]

I can assure you, mass taunting banner + shield block and shield wall + revenge spam will out damage whatever you think your going to do with 2h blade storm swap

Vengeance is a hell of a drug

[rigid yoke]

bladestorm is just bad designwise for prot

[leaden holly]

isnt MoP revenge target capped?

i remember doing 2h bladestorm for stormstout monkeys back in original MoP with every defensive up

btw im coming from the perspective of CMs, i dont really raid

though i guess uncapped AoE is kind of just padding in a CM usually

[vapid oriole]

Yeah revenge hits 3 targets but is up every second for the entire aoe encounter and hits in upwards of 300k+ with good vengeance after a second or two.

Its actually crazy damage.
900k damage every global

#5 world parse on wind lord is prpt warrior (all high parses are tanks)

Just disgusting damage

4.853 million dps

Overall

[stable lava]

Do you think we'll be arms or fury in this new tier?

[crystal robin]

at bis gear fury sims far and away ahead of arms

so fury

[rigid yoke]

If you only play one dps spec you should go for arms, otherwise choose based on the boss

Ofc it is different when you have tot bis and no longer progressing, but until then

[stable lava]

do you think we'll have an updated rotation? ive found this current rotation a bit frustrating on the meters. (or im just trash at arms)

[rigid yoke]

there are 2 philosophies on the arms rotation, atleast during CS. Otherwise, Arms does not get any change to its rotation due to gear. Fury just gets more consistent but uses the same logic as before

[stable lava]

ive been using the slam spam but i think im just doing it wrong

[crystal robin]

overpower is much easier to manage rage

if you arent careful with slam u rage starve and can fuck yourself

[rigid yoke]

it feels way more natural for aswell

[dawn mesa]

Do you know what auras Shoop uses to remember the glyphs for each boss?

[haughty lynx]

Pretty sure it’s a foji pack part

[open crane]

It’s probably liquid reminders. Just putting that information at the end of a boss timeline.

[echo pelican]

returning (wotlk) fury main, what is the rotation prio now? any useful macros I should have? not seeing a lot of discussion anywhere about fury in MoP

or is arms just the better spec still?

[mint mesa]

There’s a reason why you won’t see much discussion on Fury 😂

[native folio]

Best dps are tanks

[crystal robin]

join the pinned discord more there

[hasty hedge]

is the set bonus from ToT good enough to replace 2pc heroic 2pc normal from last season with new 4pc celestial?

[rigid yoke]

I would suggest simming it, but it is very unlikely.
And what set do we talk about? Prot, Arms, Fury?

The 2set from tot is just garbage, the 4set is good, but most likely not good enough to loose alot of base stats

[lucid lion]

we keep prioritizing overpower over slam with the new tier bonus?

or does slam become a priority?

i change my tier set and start doing the wowhead rotation, but it seems i lost a lot of dps

[rigid yoke]

Both are within like 1% margin, the wowhead rotation only includes the slam one. It does not change with the tier but more on preferences

Using op, you still slam during recklessness or if you run out of tfb stacks during cs

[lucid lion]

got it

so

[rigid yoke]

the last gcd in CS should still be MS>CS>Slam

[lucid lion]

when cs is up, i can keep spamming overpower unless recklessness is u

[rigid yoke]

You use a combination of 3x OP and 1x MS, with prio on MS

[lucid lion]

sure

its the same then

[rigid yoke]

pretty much

[lucid lion]

thanks

[crystal robin]

iirc it was always worth it to slam > OP during recklessness specifically im sure its more worth with the new tier

[crystal robin]

however I am playing rogue in mop now so I have been decoupled from remembering/learning the ins and outs of warrior

[rigid yoke]

Yeah you still do that during reck

[pallid perch]

hey middling arms guy here
been looking at some top performing logs and noticing no buff shouts at all during combat
I've been opening battle shout as my first gcd after combat pulse so rage jumps to ~43 before charge, why is that wrong? just the gcd? is it still wrong if a different ap buff is in effect before pull, there is slack in the positioning time during opener, and my guild's kills aren't as fast as top logs?

[crystal robin]

if ur grp already has the buff provided by another, the only time youll press shouts is during bladestorm when u need rage

or when u have literally nothing else to press which is never

[pallid perch]

ok let me explain a bit because I've never seen this documented it's just by observation
when the raid aggros a raid boss (only boss encounter) the raid is put into combat. at this moment, unless you are very far, you seem to also get bumped up immediately to 25 rage
you then seem to immediately experience a tick of ooc rage decay, and continue to do so until you interact with the boss or a player who has
if you wait until after this combat pulse, battle shout's 20 rage will boost you to 44, and you can charge in and land with 70+
if you shout before this pulse, I forget if it still bumps you to 25 (from 20) or just doesn't bump you at all, I haven't let that happen in a long time

that's definitely not worth?

[haughty lynx]

yes, when combat starts you are set to 25 rage, to avoid people farming rage pre combat

no, pressing battleshout for rage is not worth it unless you are bladestorming

[pallid perch]

alright so look like I just open shattering and pray the movement has settled down by the next gcd then?

[haughty lynx]

not really sure what you mean about the movement, boss hit boxes are generally huge, shattering on pull then charge, cooldowns, MS etc is the opener

unless you need to save shattering for a damage increase window

[pallid perch]

maybe this is a personal problem but out mt is a paladin and if he wants to position the boss pretty far from where it starts and I charge in immediately I find I need to use a mobo cd to stay in range (belt/leap), which isn't always good if I'd need it later

giving him a second to move often seems to mean not being ranged as he kites it, I spend that time raging up with shout

[haughty lynx]

yeah not sure if thats a him problem or a you problem, but getting a good parse kinda requires you to be in melee range hitting the boss from the second the fight starts

[pallid perch]

agree. makes sense that this is something that's ironed out with better play but we honestly are a get it done first post numbers second kinda group. so not sure this changes.

ty regardless good to understand why it isn't normally done

[crystal robin]

well theres a couple things why is ur tank running to africa and why is he moving at light speed

theres not a situation I can think of where he cant just strafe and not get back shot and move the boss just fine

also u can just shout during ur bs u are using it on pull anyways

tbh I think u might just be overthinking it, if u need the buff/rage then press it if u dont then leave it

if u cant do anything might as well press it

[pallid perch]

just something I noticed in top logs different from my own behaviour so was a place to start thinking about what to do differently
honestly after seeing the #3 arms parse on jin'roc heroic spamming pummel I am questioning a lot of things lol

[rigid yoke]

There are no parsing rules, so top parses might not be the best way to look at certain bosses

I heard that pummel might trigger mastery, but that might be hearsay

[pallid perch]

that is an interesting thought, I don't know how you'd test it
I feel like in ancient times yellows had a slightly longer range than whites and you could sit in the pocket at target dummy, I might be misremembering this. doesn't seem to be true in this version

the highly scientific watch carefully technique would suggest it does not work, but training dummy is immune that might make a difference

[limpid drift]

On heroic horridon as arms warrior, what’s the best way to handle the Direhorn Spirit? Haven’t done the fight yet, but it seems like heroic throw is the only range ability I can use for knock backs, but it’s on a 30s cd I think. Is there something else I should use?

[rigid yoke]

Snowballs!

#showtooltip Snowball
/tar Humming Crystal
/tar Direhorn Spirit
/use Snowball
/targetlasttarget

you can buy them in your city or get them from engineering

and if you dont have any, you still have the generic "throw" ability

[limpid drift]

awesome, thank you!

[rigid yoke]

they are not on the gcd, so very easy to use. use it for tortos hc aswell!

[crystal robin]

dont have to worry abt it as melee unless maybe theres a comp thing where not enough ranged = melee gets ranged mechanic which would suck xdd

useful on tortos tho for sure, I am just lazy and playing a fast attk speed class so I dnot macro it

[rigid yoke]

It happens rarely on 10m for me when a range is for some reason dead during direcall, but i also got oneshot from it twice, because it sometimes spawns on top of you

[pallid cypress]

Is reck glyph a thing in almost full bis? Sims like 1.5k dps increase for me

On fury

[rigid yoke]

Not as far as i am aware of

Might be usable for some bosses. But you would not really pick fury during progression, so i did not read that deep

[pallid cypress]

Im already 13/13. might try it to get rank 1 on primordius

[rigid yoke]

might be easier to just pad there, wcl sadly has no rules yet

but i do not know your gear so i have nothing to judge for the usefulness of the glyph

[pallid cypress]

https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/1046?boss=51574&class=Warrior&spec=Fury

just look there got rank 5 today, not even close to optimal gear on this char. Only killed leishen and raden on dk

[rigid yoke]

if you still reach close to 100% for bt during reck, it should be a gain

[pallid cypress]

Also im playing tauren for the memes

[rigid yoke]

primordius is also kinda volatile on its parsing due to the randomness of the buffs

[pallid cypress]

Yeah, only fight i hate is council when bosses just run left and right. And i like fury more since there is less padding in logs

Should look into getting double leishen wep then i can start to crank

[rigid yoke]

cant judge for 25m sadly, 10m council for melee is just hitting sul all day, and then malak, we dont run to kazrajin at all

[pallid cypress]

Ideally you would want a constant triple stack so you could do some cleave instead of heroic strike

[rigid yoke]

yeah they are stacked for the most time

[pallid cypress]

And double WW into raging blow every csmash

[floral void]

for this season what is the requirement for the elite PvP set?

[hot osprey]

is op still better during cs?

[haughty lynx]

its unchanged, you can slam or OP but people still seem to prefer OP

except in reck etc, then slam

[rigid yoke]

Op is more consistent

[hot osprey]

Ty guys

[frozen tendon]

hi there 🙂 i have a 491 with 500str socket and a 502 weapon, the 491 has 400+ more STR but the other one has 1k+ more damage, whioch one should I chose? 😄

[haughty lynx]

Sim it and see which is better..

My guess would be the 502, but it’s a guess

[rigid yoke]

The 502 wep could have the prism socket from legy quest

If celestial

[ornate dome]

Could anyone recommend the absolute best rotation guide for arms pve? Comparing my logs to top logs theres a huge difference in rotation and im not sure exactly what they are doing.

[ornate dome]

Or if a guide cant be recommended would anybody be able to answer a few questions?

[crystal robin]

wowhead guide is good

go read that one if u need I can link it but come back if u have questions

or also theres probably a better one if u join the discord in the pins

[ornate dome]

I've read it and it prioritizes slam rather than overpower but all the logs I look at seem to favor overpower. It also says use heroic strike at rage cap but I never really get to rage cap. I just learned about building rage with bladestorm and charge weaving so im hoping that makes the difference

[crystal robin]

it most definitely does not tell u to press slam > 3 ops during cs

it gives you conditionals in which you might prioritize slam over it

the conditionals for it are during recklessness, and if you dont have 3 overpowers during your CS window

the two lines of thinking however, are extremely close

you will also encounter needing to use heroic strike much more often when you are using more overpower vs slam

[ornate dome]

Ahh

Im just dumb then lmao

I never did pve war back in original mop so im still learning

[crystal robin]

these are optimizations made due to the tuning they did at the start of mop classic afaik

[daring pier]

Is there another mop classic warrior discord or is this it?

[rigid yoke]

https://discord.gg/RbCZJtw

[lucid lion]

Morning guys

ive posted a log review, if someone could help me ill be really thankful

[rigid yoke]

You compare pretty much yourself against everyone while only having slightly better gear than celestials

Ok 518, a bit better than celestials

For horridon, you use almost no thunderclap

Resonating power is a great glyph here aswell

Endless rage is not needed here

Same applies to council

And on tortos

You pad on megaera, which is good for parses, but worthless for the bosskill itself.
Warcraftlogs has no parsing rules implemented yet, so that helps

[lucid lion]

Thanks Xsage

ill pay more attention to my glyphs

and chill a little bit cause of my gear is not good enough

[ornate dome]

Fury becomes better single target in SoO right?

[crystal robin]

its better pure st rn

[velvet depot]

How do u min max deep wounds, any1 knows. Seems like on logs other warriors deep wounds does more dmg then mine

[rigid yoke]

The damage ticks itself or the damage over the fight?

For the ticks itself: it snapshots, so if you thunderclap with alot of trinketprocs or dmg+%, you can aim to not thunderclap again, to not overwrite it. Overwriting it is not the worst, and it is the last thing you should try to optimize. Only applies to aoe! You never hold MS

If over the whole fight: do they have more gear, did they hit more targets, or even pad on some bosses. Are they a troll and you look at beast bosses?

[haughty lynx]

Will the legendary DPS be useable for warrior tanks? Not sure if the damage scales with vengeance etc

[rigid yoke]

it has laughable base damage but scales alot with AP

afaik it is around 5-7% more dmg on tanks

[limpid drift]

Heroic Jikun 10m question - can an arms warrior tank the nest guardians in d-stance?

[haughty lynx]

Not seeing any 1 tank kills for the first 400 ish kills of Ji Kun, quite a few guilds actually 3 tanked it - my question would be why bother trying to one tank and make an easy fight harder

Oh, those 3 tank kills were 25m actually, it’s all 2 tanks on 10

[rigid yoke]

Yeah there is no point for 3 tanks in 10m or letting a plate dps tank the nest, just swap tanks with correct timing and you good

[haughty lynx]

If you want to cheese it you are far better off letting mages and rogues double stack the dps buff, some fire mages can do 3m dps on that fight you defo dont need to 1 tank to kill

[limpid drift]

Yeah it would still be 2 tanks; our biggest issue is tank sometimes falling around nest 4 after 3rd talon rake; feels like the timing windows are slim in some places.

Hypothetically, if I were able to tank a nest guardian in d-stance then it eliminates that as a problem altogether. Was just curious if it could be done or if anyone had tried it.

[rigid yoke]

If the tank is slightly late, you could delay jumping down by a few seconds, but as far as i can tell, you can swap after the first rake and every second after, and it should be mostly fine

But if you have to, you can tank them using dbts for one and shieldwall for the other

[warm star]

hey, helping my friend pick a class for MoP classic. they dont wanna play something with empty gcds so i was just wondering if warrior has empty globals or if they always have a button to press?

[rigid yoke]

All specs do not have empty globals when played correctly

Arms is sometimes rage starved tho, when using the slam rotation

Or using slam during sweeping strikes

[warm star]

cool thank you!

[latent sun]

does 2h weaving work for protection?

[rigid yoke]

The only real value you have from doing it, is dying faster

[pallid perch]

xD

[queen wraith]

hey guys, im looking for a forum or section for furys in the upcoming tbc.

[hollow oxide]

is this the warrior discord for

mop classic?

[crystal robin]

discord in the pins

however when you join be sure to read the rules page in its entirety

[haughty lynx]

does anyone know how rallying cry interacts with Tortos HC crystals?

e.g. quake does 100% of max health..is the damage taken increased by rallying cry?

shield is capped at 75% of current health, is that cap increased by cry, and if cry drops off after you ar shielded is shield reduced?

[unreal crystal]

Hello guys, I have a question, when I check logs I often see ppl using a lot of slam (ppl with less ilvl) and when I check logs of top world, they use mostly overpower and slam as a filler. I was wondering when should I do one or the other ?

[rigid yoke]

Slam is better if you expect to crit

So during reck mostly

Overpower is more consistent, slam is more rng

Overpower also allows you to use more heroic strikes

[unreal crystal]

Yes so outside of reck it's overpower and when reck it's slam right ?

Thant's for the info, I checked on wowhead but they don't talk about this at all

[rigid yoke]

Slamspam is still decent enough to do well

But in essence, yes

Wowheads mop guides leave alot so be desired imo

[unreal crystal]

Thanks man

[pliant ravine]

Hi ! Im new in game and finally reach lvl 60, im orc hord. What are the Best talent to up?

[spark kiln]

[mental hemlock]

hey boys, i'm trying to help a guildie improve as arms warrior, could someone help me analyse his logs?

[hardy lichen]

You're more likely to get an answer in the classic warrior discord #mop-discussion message

[grand viper]

Press Mortal Strike more

[crystal robin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/1400621957921374269/riparms.gif

[grand viper]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/1400621957921374269/riparms.gif

[brittle elm]

Hello i have one question might be dumb but. Bladestorm is worth to have in bosses like Jin Rok?

[grand viper]

You Bladestorm single target yes

[brittle elm]

but its like part of the opener? or just a regular skill to use on cd

[grand viper]

Bit of both

I would go to the sim and see how the sim uses it on single target by checking the cast history

There is a whole write up pinned in the Arms Channel in Fight Club also explaining the rotation (how to use Bladestorm as fury is pretty much the same)

If you can't see any channels there, friendly reminder to REALLY read the Info channel to learn how to get access

[rancid thunder]

Hello, when Colossus Smash is available, which should I use, Slam or Overpower?

[grand viper]

I suggest you look over the wowhead guide/sim cast timeline, but also scrolling up will show this question has been answered before 🙂
#mop-discussion message

[torn torrent]

hey, can someone help me with my arms war log 🙂

[grand viper]

Without looking:
● Press mortal strike more (10cpm on single target is ideal, compare your casts per minute to the sim)
● Don't overlap Csmash casts if you get a reset (don't Csmash and immediately press again if you get a reset let the debuff run it's duration)
● Stance dance properly to get more rage, and make sure to not overcap rage/rage starve (properly use your spenders like heroic strike/cleave).
You can send your logs in this chat but I promise your issue is one if not all of these.
Fight Club has all the resources you would want also, it's in the pins. Also read the wowhead guide

[crystal robin]

u need to post the log if u want someone to look at it

[torn torrent]

here are my logs, I thought there was a channel for that https://fr.classic.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/81588818

[grand viper]

Here is what I'm finding:

1. Press Mortal Strike: You don't have 10cpm minimum on a majority of fights, fix that.
2. Bladestorm Usage: You need to get comfortable using Bladestorm single target, on your most recent Ra-den you cast it a single time. It should be paired with Bloodbath nearly every time. Reminder to cancel cast it on single target, on cleave you let it rip the entire time. Here is a weakaura to help with that.
3. Csmash during Reck: You should be prioritizing Slam and not overpower (it's not a huge deal if you don't but small optimizations lead to better performance.
4. Your stance swapping looks ok on the fights I've seen, but just try to soak more mechanics in Zerker stance for rage to send more abilities.
5. On cleave you still need to prioritize Mortal Strike, it will allow more Slams and better Sweeping Strike uptime (80% leaves room for improvement). I'll attach an image for what I believe the best cleave mentality is.
   The reason for the image is you want to make sure you pool rage for your next Sweeping strikes near the end of it's duration. Loss of uptime = loss of damage.

I still recommend posting your logs in Fight Club (the discord is pinned) for more people to review. I miss shit in log reviews and people are happy to help generally.

[torn torrent]

Thank you thats a lot of informations, to be sure 10cpm is cooldown per minute ? Also some fight seems better with slam rotation and others with overpowered one, this is a thing or am i mistaken ? What is OP on first screen? Overpower ?( im not english native i have to ask) I tried last weak to lolstorm only when i got shout and immeditly cancel after, i'll use WA and macro it with bloodbath/gloves

[grand viper]

Casts per minute

OP is overpower yes

Do not macro Bladestorm to Gloves/Bloodbath, that is the wrong takeaway

[torn torrent]

Ty bro

[grand viper]

The only time OP vs Slam matters is more than 2 targets (Slam + Sweeping hits more than 2 targets) and during reck (where Slam is slightly better than OP).
For maybe Megaera Slam is better but only because you have so much rage you legit cannot heroic strike it all away, possibly P1 Lei Shen also if you're soaking Crashing's properly.

[pallid perch]

is there some rule of thumb for mastery's impact on overpower/heroic vs slam? I did some rough math and it seems like a significant factor but highly gear dependant

[grand viper]

No

The Overpower rotation is like 1% better but hardly noticeable during gameplay

You can perform well using either rotation 👍

[crystal robin]

akshually overpower 10% beter bc I made it the fuck up

https://tenor.com/view/cat-licking-cat-cat-meme-licking-lick-gif-13886623628873007111

[grand viper]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1011330639951310858/1088814598200766576/simming.gif

[crystal robin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1365072679698300928/1402007721577939144/simmin3.gif

[hardy lichen]

overpower is even more braindead, therefore its better

[languid pivot]

How much does stance dance really improve my damage? I didnt do it yet because i was not really aware of how much it impacts my damage.

[grand viper]

A lot when done correctly

A Ra-den i had

A Lei Shen

Every boss encounter

[languid pivot]

thanks pal. i somehow log 70-80, but i cant tell how to get more

[grand viper]

Your rotation is probably shit

[languid pivot]

cs > ms > slam

[grand viper]

No

Link your logs, ill look at them. But you really should just ask these questions in Fight Club and share logs there.

I would prefer you did get your information there tbh, a lot of good resources and I really don't want to type it all again if I'm being honest

[crystal robin]

I definitely considered typing some info up and pinging a mod to see if I can pin it here as well

[grand viper]

It is pinned here no?

Yeah of the 2 pins in this channel, a link to the discord is one of them

The MoP channels there are good for help and the resources pinned in them (the dps channels not the general channel) are helpful

[languid pivot]

https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/101713286

[grand viper]

Stop running Avatar on Jinrokh, your kill times isn't fast enough to warrant it.
You're not using Bladestorm in CD for Jin also, and when you do use it you dont cancel it, which you should for single target

Just stop using Avatar in general as arms, Bloodbath is so much better especially if you fix your lack of useage on Bladestorm.

[languid pivot]

thanks lad. i felt an huge upgrade for today with those tipps. ;)

[hardy lichen]

you'll see a performance increase prioritizing OP when not in zerker stance windows as it will allow you to MS (and thus enrage) more often

also on your durumu from today for example you full channeled bladestorm on opener. You should BS single target while CS and MS are off CD and cancel as soon as you can MS again

[lethal wedge]

Is there a tbc server?

[grand viper]

Yeah, Fight Club

[slow mulch]

Anyone able to craft the blood knights war blade I put in a guild order for the 285 piece for my fury warrior

[grand viper]

Wrong channel lmao

[sonic umbra]

Do i always Pop banner and recklessness after shattering throw?

then MS?

[hardy lichen]

On pull, yes you would want to use recklessness before mortal striking to garuntee an enrage. However, banner usage would depend on how your raid assigns banner usage

[sonic umbra]

Ah ok cool

I have trouble gaining rage it feels like im always low on rage especially in AoE when doing CM dungeons. Is that just how arms is?

[grand viper]

You're just not managing rage properly or using shit like cleave/heroic strike improperly

[sonic umbra]

I only use cleave/HS if im about to over cap

[pallid perch]

are you charging on cd?
glyph of sweeping strikes might help if you're starving on aoe

[untold arrow]

When's the proper time to use bladestorm in single-target fury?

[grand viper]

https://www.wowsims.com/mop/warrior/fury/
Go see what the sim does and go through the APL

[eager geode]

Feel free to discuss any tbc related things here! For warrior tbc resources you're likely better off going to Fight Club: https://discord.gg/RbCZJtw

[light kite]

first

[nocturne anvil]

Second

[glossy wedge]

cringe

another channel 2 mute

[eager geode]

Damn, and I made it specifically for you :(

[glossy wedge]

dont remember

[distant trellis]

O snap

Any catjammers?

[vague pagoda]

What rating will cojo get in bc?

[quaint pendant]

[brisk stream]

How much will Deep thunder be to craft with Thunder? (I also dont have BS yet rip)

[vague pagoda]

Google it

[plain flower]

It will take all your gold, no matter how much you got.
Because prices at start will be totally ripped.

[brisk stream]

But stormherald will be bis kinda forever i assume?

[charred wadi]

Almost at least 🙃. Archimonde sword and s3 2h first real contender. Eventually s4 pvp and KJ sword. Probably don’t want to go for pvp 2h any season first so having stormherald is big

[reef thicket]

at least 7

[vague pagoda]

That high?!

[sharp lintel]

@distant trellis you gonna be playin TBC?

[distant trellis]

Yeh

Prolly get like one good month in before 9.1 drops n back to retail raids

[dawn pivot]

Any thoughts on a possible 5 yard range increase for charge?

[rapid sphinx]

[distant trellis]

[pliant lava]

Do you guys have an hybrid leveling talents tree to tank dungeons & quests well? Should i just go full prot xp? I'm not sure about what to do here

[charred wadi]

Leveling from 1 or 60?

[pliant lava]

Well i'm 31 atm and probably going to main prot at 70

[raven violet]

Cant choose between bm or ww monk atm

[regal wedge]

i wonder how big the dps diff between mace and sword actually is in pve

since i kinda wanna go thunder for pvp

[crude tiger]

@regal wedge its noticeable but thunder is fine

ur better off just going 1h fury for pve and making dragonmaw

[raven ore]

hey folks, was there a spot in here for tbc builds yet?

[charred wadi]

i mean, all crafted weapons are better than the drops from p1 raiding. if you're playing arms anyways could do deep thunder and be fine for p1. it might not be theoretical bis but its 2nd to LHC. and unless the guys guild requires him to be all in pve cuck from p1 then just play 2h mace in pve as well and look to either craft sword later in p2 or luck out and get kaelthas sword for pve in p2.

[ocean tapir]

Slam resetting AA swing timer, does that spell doom for arms?

[sharp jungle]

That's exactly how it should work, is fine

[sour edge]

The Arms rotation is based around slamming right after an Auto and using some instants inbetween the two, it’s fine just get a swing timer and you’re set.

[ocean tapir]

Oh. My memory might just be hazy. I thought you fit slams just prior to the auto.

Anyway thanks for the clarification

[stark anvil]

so fury or arms

[sour edge]

You'll find a much easier time getting a slot in a guild by rolling arms

but if you find a laid back enough guild you might fury?

[heavy pendant]

is the gear besides weapons pretty much the same on fury and arms?

[dawn pivot]

24 minutes till pre patch?

[reef thicket]

Hopefully

[queen spindle]

Cojo

Are you gonna play warrior?

[dawn pivot]

Im thinking beetwen pala or warrior

and should i go alliance gang or horde gang

[reef thicket]

I was yeah

debuff/buff bitch

same as retail

😃

[queen spindle]

lmao

[reef thicket]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/792650748692529182/844468577640644628/unknown.png

tbc players in shaambles

[queen spindle]

oof

[reef thicket]

another extension

[queen spindle]

playing tbc

top kek

waiting for ICC WotlK

so I can pump

[dawn pivot]

kekw

[brisk basalt]

hey, is arms a good leveling spec in tbc?

[charred wadi]

Yeah

[thin eagle]

better than fury?

[charred wadi]

could probably do 12/21/3 as well get imp op and sweeping strikes 🙂

[dusky meteor]

Guys is warrior leveling in TBC easier than vanilla?

i leveled a warrior but parked it there at 38 😦

[upper garden]

yes, but mainly because they made levelling easier for everyone

they adjusted XP rates to make it a bit faster

[dusky meteor]

so that's the reason

but what i meant is if there's less downtime while questing

[upper garden]

uh not really

its about the same

[dusky meteor]

i mainly leveling solo, in classic without a healer i could only grab a single mob and then eating nom nom

i'd have hoped at least that the mob hit a bit less hard while questing

[upper garden]

you can get around that by fighting weaker mobs 🙃

[dusky meteor]

mmm yes, maybe with less XP required i'll be fighting green mobs more 😄

[blissful gyro]

should i go double warlords cleaver or 1 cleaver 1 quickblade for fury as orc

[tepid imp]

any way to import keybinds between retail and tbc

[frail panther]

should i spec into arms or fury now for leveling? 47 atm with 2h

[dusky meteor]

You've done 47 levels in like 3 hours??

[frail panther]

no lol, i started earlier

[waxen wave]

hey guys, I downloaded wow classic a few days ago, now it became wow tbc, and wow classic became downloadable again

if I wanna start playing now, and keep progress for tbc release, what do I choose to play?

i heard currently tbc is in beta and progress will get reset?

[upper garden]

TBC is no longer in beta, the prepatch is released an all progress made on TBC client will not get reset

[waxen wave]

thanks

[blissful gyro]

anyone know what the better option is?

[sick inlet]

slow/slow because of whirlwind

it hits with both weapons now

[blissful gyro]

it does, wasnt sure because of faster rage gen with faster oh for rampage

[sick inlet]

you don't generate rage faster with a faster OH

the speed of the weapon is factored into the rage formula

maybe you mean more consistent rage generation

[blissful gyro]

thought faster oh meant more rage gen didnt know about no formula

warrior brain

[marsh wigeon]

Hi im installing tbc which profession are recommended for warrior?

[blissful gyro]

bs

[marsh wigeon]

thx man

Is warrior good for raids in BC?

[blissful gyro]

slow start

[marsh wigeon]

https://tbc.wowhead.com/news/burning-crusade-classic-dps-rankings-pve-tier-list-for-phase-1-of-tbcc-322388 here is c tier

[clear trench]

whats the way to go for lvling solo in tbc?

[grim sky]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2piqrAOY3UI

[charred wadi]

@marsh wigeon Depends on your goals m8.... warrior won’t be front runner in any regard but you can still get shit done if you are motivated. if your starting fresh with no friends and no network (like a guild) it’s gonna be rough regardless. If you want an easy time getting into a raid team probably look to play hunter or lock or shaman or any healer really. That being said tanks and healers are always in demand when it comes to pugging. If you aren’t interested in finding a raid team and playing around set times maybe it makes more sense to play something flexible. If classic is any indication pugging will be huge and easy accessible. Warriors can tank so there are opportunities.

[marsh wigeon]

Thx mate!!

[marsh wigeon]

Is it free to change talents so i can lvl as tank and then change to dps at 60?

[upper garden]

it costs gold

if you dont change often, its not that expensive but you wouldnt want to be changing like every week

[marsh wigeon]

Works like azerite traits?

[upper garden]

similar, but not the exact same

[waxen wave]

How focked am I if I'd like to basically copy retail arms and take talents like improved overpower

I like retail arms and want to make same build in tbc, but I'm noob in tbc

Is it viable?

Googled some talent builds, it's vastly different from retail playstyle

[upper garden]

what are you trying to emulate, talents went through a major overhaul after cata and overpower especially functions very differently

[waxen wave]

Basically mortal strike + overpower rotation

And big executes

Really fun for me on retail

[upper garden]

well yeah you wont be able to regularly use overpower in tbc. its unusable unless your target dodges/parries your attacks

[waxen wave]

K, I will have to use slam a lot

[upper garden]

or heroic strike

i'm not to fresh on the TBC rotation for arms

i expect its something like use MS on cooldown ,use whirlwind on cooldown, excess rage is spent on heroic strike

or you go hybrid arms/fury and go 2h slam build

with improved slam

[waxen wave]

Thanks, I guess I will just pick whatever seems fun

And respec if needed

[upper garden]

https://tbcdb.com/talents/index.html?en&warrior&320050113520105002210000550000500521203000000000000000000000000000

this is the recommended raiding talent build

for tbc at lvl 70

which is the hybrid arms/fury build

[marsh wigeon]

Humans no longer got racial trinket??

[wanton surge]

Any thoughts on horde prot warrior races?

[waxen wave]

Ty

[pine heron]

Tauren has Stam bonus + War Stomp, I reckon you can't go wrong with that

Orc racial is unusable for tanking pretty much

[wanton surge]

and what about troll haste? i heard that its pretty good to hold aggro

i am thinking between tauren or troll

[pine heron]

Block Value + shield slam along with Devastate helps alot with aggro and threat, the haste racial will give you more hits, rage, and a little dps boost, but me personally, I would take the extra HP and aoe stun over the minimal dps and threat boost from troll racial. Especially since threat won't be as big of an issue like in classic where we were forced into fury prot to be able to do anything effective.

[wanton surge]

i see, thank you.

[urban coyote]

what has better pvp, tbc or retail?

[sour edge]

That depends a bit

TBC we already know the meta

Retail each patch is gonna be a bit different

[charred wadi]

Orc if you fancy pvp and expect to spend serious time in arenas throughout tbc. Anything works really for pve as main focus. But to give an answer probably troll or tauren.

[charred wadi]

That’s wrath of the lich king m8 😆

[novel oar]

Hey i wanna play an Orc arms warri in tbc my question is when ill do blackamithing i always read i should go maces but why Not axes? sry for that garbage English

[charred wadi]

If you are looking to play fury the one hand mace has a haste proc while the axe doesn't. Orc racial in classic provide weapon skill to axes and should be used for dps but in TBC it is changed to only provide expertise while using axes. Expertise isn't bad as dps but not good enough to limit yourself to wielding an axe, especially since the crafted mace proc is so nuts. Macesmith also opens up getting the two-hander which is also nuts with the stun proc, stats and its top end dmg for pvp.

[thorny mesa]

should i go fury or arms for level 58 warrior

or wich one is higher dam

[jagged swift]

i think you might get into pugs faster as arms because of Blood Frenzy

no idea which would do more dam at lvl 58 though

[thorny mesa]

yea some guy told me that to play fury u need gear for it he said ur off hand misses a lot so im thinking to go arms now

does arms use battle stance or berserker stance

[charred wadi]

You can play 2h fury no problem at 58 and onward. Bigger question if you want to do some tanking on occasion

if your 58, playing 2h i'd maybe suggest something like this:

https://tbc.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/05020311302-550000050052120501-01

lvl 59 and 60 you finish 3/3 tactical mastery in prot tree and then head back to arms and get death wish at 63. after that its a bit open what you could do. i think keeping up to 25 rage when stance dancing is too big to past when your playing dungeons or questing so 3/3 tactical mastery is a given. it also includes a threat modifier for BT and MS so you can tank just fine if you ever need/want to do that.

some flexibility in the suggestion above. 5/5 booming voice could be 5/5 imp demo shout. 5/5 commanding presence could be 4/5 commanding presence + piercing howl

[sharp jungle]

Fury 2h levelling is pretty nice, not having to commit to a weapon specialisation makes it a bit more flexible, the dps is comparable to Arms. Unless you have a weapon to last you to 70 probably better going Fury than being chained to one weapon type or having to respec.

[feral basalt]

Can you do the 58 boost rn?

[upper garden]

yep

[feral basalt]

Noice

[gusty scroll]

Anyone know where I can find a good talent guide for 1-60? I am trying to level my warrior I abandoned at 41

Sweeping strikes used to be part of arms but I am wondering if I should switch to fury now

[white trellis]

When it comes to fury DW, any advice for weapon speed? Slow mainhand fast offhand?

[upper garden]

slow/slow

[white trellis]

Ty

[rancid dew]

at your level fury is the play i think

cause you get Bloodthirst which is just kinda better than mortal strike especially if you can pick up like an ony buff or something

[charred wadi]

Do imp OP/sweeping strikes for lowlvl 🙂

[queen wraith]

is slam gonna be used at all for the arms rotation?

[charred wadi]

Yep 👍🏽

[queen wraith]

so for arms you slam instead of heroic for rage dump??

[sour edge]

@queen wraith pretty much you Slam right after an auto-attack, use some instants inbetween (WW/MS) and repeat. Heroic I believe is used if you just have a shitton of rage instead of Auto

Not sure on that last part

[queen wraith]

roger ty for info 🙂

[tulip quiver]

Any one know how many honor marks ill need to get gear at 70?

[jagged swift]

at 70 yeah , at lvl 60 you are basically sitting there using MS and keeping up the debuff for 4% physical

[queen wraith]

got yea

I take it since we don't have improved slam it's pretty rough?

[jagged swift]

yeah

my warrior is pretty badly geared tbh just a couple of MC pieces

so i'll just focus on getting gold and leveling bs/mining

and just get gear from bc leveling 😄

[queen wraith]

got yea ty again for info

[crude tiger]

fair warning arms slam spec is not a chart topper

[brisk basalt]

any good TBC warrior leveling spec talents?

[tulip nest]

everything is good

[proven spear]

Hi everyone, i found a new guild that matched my requirements and they wanted a dps warrior which could also OT in kara. Will i able to OT as normal arms or fury spec? or will I need a modified spec like fury with the left over in prot. couldn't see anything on google. cheers!

[twin wraith]

is tbc the expansion where warriors dual wield 2handers?

or is it wrath?

[upper garden]

wrath

[heavy grail]

Is it possible to make a macro that equips a shield and shield slams?

[safe cobalt]

/equip Shieldname
/Cast Shield Slam

You hit the button twice

[heavy grail]

Ok awesome ty

[upper garden]

if you're using a 2h weapon, you'd want to equip a mainhand as well

[heavy grail]

Ah good point, didn’t think of that

[safe cobalt]

Yeah, just add /equip MH before shield. Use names

[upper garden]

and then you will want to equip back what you had before

dual wield equip macros can get hella cursed tho so have fun

[heavy grail]

😢

All my real life friends are shitting on prot warriors for tbc. Any truth to this? I was like 15 when tbc was out and wasn’t raiding so I have no experience. Trying to google it produces only shit from 2008 that doesn’t seem super reliable

[upper garden]

they're good, just not the best at everything

druid is more of a generalist tank, and paladin is better for aoe/offtanking

[placid scaffold]

Druid tends to be better especially later on

Prot warrior is fine tho u will just need md

[safe cobalt]

Prot warrior is awesome. Great cooldowns for heavy damage, good mitigation. The thing you have to work on and get good at is holding aoe threat

Because thunderclap is mostly garbage still

ST is great. Plus charge is bis ability always and forever

[heavy grail]

What should the opener on a pack look like in a 5 man? And do we need tactical mastery for whirlwind-ing or anything?

[safe cobalt]

Always mark a skull and x and tell your dps don't be fucking apes and aoe as soon as you charge

That is my opener

Whirlwind doesn't gen a lot of threat because it's not defensive stance

Just charge, swap def, hit shield slam on skull, thunder clap to keep things off your healer, then you want to tab target revenge and devastate

Thunderclap is capped at 4 targets also

Cleave instead of heroic strike for rage dump.

But seriously consider cc especially in heroics

[heavy grail]

Affirmative

[sharp jungle]

On the above, I got to the point where I would let the dps pull agro on the first mob while I put threat on the rest, since in the time they spent waiting for threat they could have killed one target and kept it soft CC'd. Warrior multi-target threat is pretty dire, and dps will want to go bonkers the moment you pull whether you like it or not.

If needed then you can taunt to gain all the threat they built for you on that target, while you built threat on others.

[velvet stump]

Is arms still best for leveling 1-60?

[heavy grail]

Anyone have a good prot rotation weakaura for tbc to share?

[drifting shuttle]

which patch of tbc is releasing anyone know? sorry if its been answered

[rancid dew]

itemization based around 2.4.3

content is being phased just like classic was

[charred wadi]

Its simple for single target: Shield Slam on cd, Revenge as soon as it procs then devastate. Becomes a 4 ability rotation: SS>rev>Deva>Deva. Heroic strike you add as rage permits. In other words you dont heroic strike if it stops you from doing the above.

[heavy pendant]

I feel as if I’m always rage starved as a arms warrior atm am I doing something wrong or is it just dependent on gear

[sour edge]

Sword Spec/Having a shaman buddy helps for this

[frail panther]

are there any good tbc warrior streamers?

[rancid dew]

not anyone that strictly does warrior in tbc no, theres some people that I know of but they are kinda burger brain

goes for both pve and pvp

Lifeismoot lived on endless for a while, did arena for a hot minute and did pve content for a little bit when they released their fresh server a few months back but ive played with him before, wouldnt call him good lol

[dawn pivot]

Anyone tried Unbridled Wrath in prepatch? Is it as bad as everyone says?

[maiden glade]

Bajheera

Although mostly PvP he does PvE content as well

[somber sapphire]

any guide for which reputation tank wants? Scryer or Aldor

[tulip nest]

Go to the fight club discord for in depth questions and analysis bois

[lilac oracle]

For tbc duo levelling. Is it better priest / warrior or druid / paladin

Horde side

[sharp jungle]

Warrior shaman, what is a warrior without Windfury? A useless flannel.

[dawn pivot]

What is a warrior? A miserable little pile of secrets! But enough talk! Have at you!

[graceful hearth]

heyhey, havent found anything about it so asking here, whats the gotospec for dung leveling warr?

2h arms? 2h fury or 2x 1h fury?

[nova hound]

Hey any recommendations for an EU Alliance server with a good crowd in both PvP and PvE? Gehennas only? How do the no-gank servers like Pyrewood Village look like?

[bleak ice]

Is warrior a decent tanking spec in TBC?\

[rancid dew]

yeah prot warrior has a spot in every raid

not the best threat tank like they were in classic but they are the only class with active mitigation really

[still thunder]

I'm leveling with a shaman duo. Doing mostly dung spam with some questing to fill gaps. I'm planning on doing a half fury build for sweeping strikes then half arms for impale. Looks like this will be the biggest damage build. Am i wrong and should just go full arms?

[snow ice]

If I am trying to do the cyclonian quest for the whirlwind axe with another warrior on it as well, would we have to collect double the charms for us to complete it or do we only need one set?

[ember breach]

you both need all the charms as the quest requires them for handin

[tulip nest]

Lolwut

[keen wraith]

Is it normal that I barely generate rage as a fury warrior?

[rancid dew]

If dual wielding and in kinda bad gear, rage gen will be poop unless you get world buffs

Problem remedies itself as you get more hit and better gear

And having WF helps too

[keen wraith]

Yeah im kn boosted gear atm

[rancid dew]

Yeah getting better gear will get rid of that to an extent

[keen wraith]

But ay ok than its just a matter of time to get the gear and stuff

Thanks pal

[rancid dew]

👍

[agile plank]

I wonder if i should boost a hunter or warrior to 58. This will be my first character on the classic Servers so i wont have gold for epic mount and stuff.
Guess farming gold as warrior in tbc is a pain in the ass isnt it?

[worn bridge]

You won’t be doing fancy stuff like some other classes like mage/hunter/protadin but you’ll get by as a warrior

[charred wadi]

If gold is a bigger priority for you probably better to use your one boost on a mage or paladin first and lvl a warrior later. Then your kinda set to churn out raw gold. That being said you can earn gold many ways so I wouldn’t worry too much about it. If you mainly lvl in dungeons 60-70 and then back track each zone for quests you’ll have a lot of gold guaranteed.

[slate slate]

hey guys , i have a question regarding the lionheart sword if anyone has time

is it worth all the gold to craft it off the rip in BC ? and when does it get replaced?

if i want to focus more on pvp is mace spec better?

[worn bridge]

Sword got some niche rng procs if paired with a shaman that can be quite nice, but generally mace is much better

[crimson hearth]

LF a Swedish Warrior MT on Earthshaker [A] to fill our second warrior spot in the 25 man roster. Raiding Wednesdays (and Sunday when needed) Possibility to go DPS in Tier 6. Most of us are rerolling from the private TBC raiding scene so no gear requirement, but you need to have a plan to be def. capped 4 days into the expansion.

[sour edge]

Sword is better in PvE, Hammer is better in PvP. For PvE Sword, it only gets replaced off the Sword on Kael'Thas in Phase 2.

[rapid sphinx]

Forgot how tilting it is when they resist everything.

[carmine hare]

[exotic canyon]

Flatland Cougar a world boss? I didnt play in tbc

[rapid sphinx]

Just a big bully.

😦

[unique mist]

Hey, super dumb question and I'm sure it's been asked before but I haven't been able to find the answer. To be the most competitive and able to quest/dungeon on a boosted DPS warrior, is fury or arms better?

[static totem]

fury seems to be the go-to pve spec

[unique mist]

Okay. Thank you.

[heavy pendant]

anyone getting this wierd bloodthirst bugg?

[sour edge]

Arms has better questing talents/is picked more often in raids just because of the Debuff

You might find a guild that will take you as Fury but to get a spot better, Arms.

[lofty egret]

logged out of classic for about an hour and when i logged back in all my talents had disappeared and it says i have none available. went to trainer to reset but its says i haven't spent any points to resest. any ideas?

[heavy pendant]

ya i have 0 talent points

[rancid dew]

was a bug that alot of people experienced earlier from what ive heard

maybe just a weird blizzard thing

[velvet stump]

while leveling should i prioritize getting sweeping strikes in fury tree? or should i go for ms?

[high plinth]

is slam worth while leveling?

[charred wadi]

if starting from lvl 1 and playing 2h i'd probably go for sweeping strikes + imp slam as my baseline. something like this:
https://tbc.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/-55000104005212

[rough grove]

Whats most recommended for tanking, furyprot or deep prot, also what would the leveling talent tree look like

[lilac oracle]

Maybe you find info at icy veins :) they have some nice level guides

[dim shale]

What professions are you prot warriors going for TBC?

torn between engi and BS

[short brook]

Both

[dim shale]

Only planning on a single character, so one profession will be mining to fuel either of those

Leaning towards Engi as I dont really plan on playing DPS much

[shell quail]

So in TBC if my rotation is AA-Slam-MS And I AA And slam but dont have enough rage for MS would I restart the Rotation or AA again and then MS

[twin ginkgo]

dont know if this is the right place to ask but i just boosted a warrior and I need a ton of help, wondering if anyone somewhat experienced would maybe go on voice and explain some things to me (how to set up bars, basics, etc)

[shell quail]

I would also join lol

[twin ginkgo]

yeah i could watch guides and stuff but i feel like i get a lot more out of it when i can ask specific questions

[lethal harness]

What type of weapon is gonna be best for arms warrior pvp? Axe for the extra crit? Mace for the stun and rage? Sword for the extra swing chance?

(I don't know what weaponsmith discipline to take xD)

[crimson dove]

you plan on doing arenas with a shaman? windfury totem +sword was hilarious back then, i believe there was a good mix between sword and mace in arenas

[shell quail]

So in TBC if my rotation is AA-Slam-MS And I AA And slam but dont have enough rage for MS would I AA again and then MS

[crimson dove]

been a long time and you'd probably have to search for it, but i thought you'd still slam after every auto attack anyways until you got the rage

if just completely dry then yeah wait for the next auto

[lethal harness]

I don't have a specific plan for a particular partner

So I'm mainly looking for the weapon thats best in most scenarios @crimson dove

[crimson dove]

if you like random cc then mace, if you like random burst, then sword

[lethal harness]

Hmm, random burst sounds pretty good xD

Is the 5% extra crit on axe due to spec worth it?

[crimson dove]

i don't think anyone worth their salt used axe unless it was just for flavor

[lethal harness]

Aight bet

[crimson dove]

you'd have to look it up, but i thought sword spec random proc white hits also gave the extra rage

[lethal harness]

I mean it'd make sense

Cos afaik it counts as a regular weapon strike

[twin ginkgo]

whats better, having a different bar for each stance, or macroing out every ability to switch stances as you hit them? im kinda stalled out right now because i cant even get a good bar set up to kill things

[sour edge]

The dominate one is going to be Mace + Deep Thunder I believe

Sword can perform well enough if you have a shaman as well, but Deep Thunder makes you a bit more flexible for stun locking.

[charred wadi]

i macro some abilities to include stance swapping on a stance independent bar. for example: dstance->disarm, berserker stance-> berserker rage, dstance->equip shield->shield wall. could also have something similar for shield block that you go from battle or berserker stance into dstance, equip shield and use shield block.

i do still think manually swapping stances is ideal. there are just so many situations where you wouldnt want to always go dstance just because you equip a shield for example.

[dawn pivot]

Is there a TBC Classic Channel or Discord for Prot Warrios :O? cant find ^^"

[eager geode]

@dawn pivotTry joining the classic warrior discord https://discord.gg/RbCZJtw

[dawn pivot]

I did but there are only guides or spreedsheets for Classic not for TBC Classic... so i cant find there anything about tanking in TBC classic

[eager geode]

https://i.imgur.com/Q4hYCIJ.png theres plenty of tbc channels

[mortal island]

Boosting my warrior tonight boys

[tulip nest]

Rip

[vague pagoda]

Literally a waste of money

[bleak elm]

should I go fury for tbc 1-70 leveling? Not having sweeping strikes seems bad

[rancid dew]

Before lvl 30 spec is kind of just a preference imo, once you get to the level where you can get sweeping strikes though you probably should

[visual junco]

is there an arms talent guide for tbc
i only see shadowlands

[thorny mesa]

can some one help me for future blacksmithing do we go armor smith or weaponsmith also with weapon smith i really want to know what the majority of warriors guna go axe smith sword smith hammer smith im thinking to go hammer smith the main hand one hander has a haste proc but im not sure what the most optimal setup is armor smith or weaponsmith

oh ya i forgot to say im a tank

[charred wadi]

Check pins in this channel for invite to the Classic warrior discord. There are spec suggestions there.

[charred wadi]

Just go Fury tree. Sunder and autoattack will be your main playstyle until Whirlwind.

[charred wadi]

For prot its less clear cut. You could consider swordsmith for the guaranteed one handed sword but King's Defender from Kara is basically as good as the t2 sword and SSC you get another upgrade (Mallet of the Tides) that can be compared to the t3 sword version. These should not be contested in any raid comp so as long as they drop their yours to take.

You also want to aim to use Gladiator 2p in P1 (chest+leg). Going macesmith and getting the 2h will give you an easier time in arenas. The 2h mace is also by far the best choice for dmg and the most accessible choice for pvp. The first raid drop that contends with Stormheralds power is Archimondes 2h and you really dont want to be taking that from either your ret or arms warrior and going that far into the game pvping with some shitty item is less than ideal.

On the flipside Blizard did lower the rating requirement to unlock gladiator weapons for s1 and s2 so it will def be possible to aim for that as well but even then your first arena points are probably better spent on getting chest, legs and maybe the throw weapon before you consider saving for a weapon, if pve raiding is your main focus.

Even if you dont go for the gladiator chest you also have the t4 chest that is very good. If t5 set bonus for prot is lit then youre shelfing the armorsmith chest anyways and if it isnt you'll probably looking to run s2 gladiator chest instead. Macesmith also is interesting option as prot for the main hand mace as well. It could show to be good to tank with if rage capping doesnt become an issue. Devastate does 50% wpn dmg and has two chances per cast to proc the mace.

To summarize. Macesmith as prot has my vote. Most versatile and longest lasting choice of the blacksmithing options.

[thorny mesa]

dear @charred wadi thank u for taking the time to put in a lot of info and spreading knowledge i now have an idea witch route im going after reading thanks man

[mossy stratus]

hey guys, is there a bis list set thats not wowhead? and i assume fightclub doesnt have it posted yet right?

not gunna ask in fightclub, ive looked through it for tbc bis list, cant find it, but if i ask i bet ill be crucified

[charred wadi]

The FC discord has dps and tank tbc sub channels and gearing is discussed daily. If you use the discord search function you can find good discussions on gearing philosophy and concrete suggestions on gear. If you want it ez and a simple list you probably have to settle for whatever you find googling. There is no reliable sim yet so at this point all bis suggestions are based on feelscraft/logic/previous experiences. Easiest way to window shop gear is make an acc at seventy upgrades and build your character by filtering item sources for P1. In general bis lists that suggest BOEs are bad and expensive crafts (except the blacksmithing weapon) are not worth it.

[mossy stratus]

i see, ive been told wowhead isnt the best way to go, but also FC's lists are best, but it makes sense they dont have one yet

guess ill stick with google for now, ty @charred wadi

[raven violet]

Gonna finally boost my dh tonight

[shell quail]

good basic macros?

[surreal forge]

trying to decide on a server is hard lol for tbc

[rancid dew]

Have you looked at populations

[subtle crow]

whats gonna be best to dugneon level as? arms or fury?

[vivid echo]

probably fury

just cuz SS

[orchid terrace]

whats the best talent build for tbc? is wowhead up to date?

[charred wadi]

Fury

[charred wadi]

depends if your arms pvp or pve, fury 2h or dual wield, prot 😆

[warped bone]

does anyone remember if there was a good "I am leveling and still want to tank dungeons" build? not endgame

[high plinth]

Hey so im lvl 51, what spec is best to solo level with now til 60?

[tiny reef]

So a semi fresh warrior with 15k honor should i go for a weapon or armor peices with hit first?

[royal path]

@high plinth full fury for speed, arms if you're on a PvP server if worried about it iirc

Any of yall have some guides on making macros for classic? None I've found so far seem to work and I'm kinda tired of just leaving DPS on the table

[charred wadi]

Save your honor for lvl 70 epic pieces. Check out ramparts for 1h if your in need for an early upgrade

[bleak token]

can a Valkyr tell me what the best talent setup is for bc

[radiant ingot]

Not endgame? Then don't worry about a 'build', just keep a set of tank gear in your bags. You don't need even a single point in prot to still be able to tank pre-endgame stuff.

[warped bone]

alrighty

[still thunder]

leveling 2h fury is it worth going for rampage? seems kinda shit

[charred wadi]

2h fury for sure skip rampage

(while lvling)

[willow dust]

Hi There 2 questions 😜 any pins posts you could recommend to check when will I replace TF on my Orc for tanking and what would be the best tanking spec for dungeons leveling ( I hate fury Prot with all my hearth and I am so happy TBC is out 😜) any proper devastate builds ?

[charred wadi]

Recommended deep prot build can be found in the Classic warrior discord. In the tbc-tank channel over there it is pinned.

Tf can be replaced with Latros (black morass one-hander) or better for exempel exalted Thrallmar axe

@willow dust

[radiant ingot]

Not worth. For 2h, probably best to start into Arms after getting BT

[willow dust]

@charred wadi sorry but which Warrior Classic 😜 discord i think I am on 3… and nether has that…

[charred wadi]

Link in the pins in this channel.

[still thunder]

do you think i should just full switch arms at this point?

[radiant ingot]

for leveling? idk, fury still prolly better. unless youre on a pvp server in which case def go Arms

arms is also better for dungeons/leveling in group because of Blood frenzy

[still thunder]

right now im duo leveling with a healer. doinga mix of quests and dungeons

[radiant ingot]

if i was duo leveling with healer I would love to go arms hah, that is if youre on a pvp server though.

[still thunder]

i am on a pvp server but i avoid world pvp at all costs

[radiant ingot]

I think arms is the way to go still, having a healer offsets the already minimal downsides of leveling as arms, and you'll be far more useful when you do eventually get ganked

[still thunder]

what are the benefits to arms over fury? Feel like arms is more ST while fury being higher AoE

[rancid dew]

in a raid? Fury has higher overall DPS but arms brings Blood Frenzy, which is a 4% phyiscal DPS debuff

once the meta gets established, i think that fury will not take Rampage and opt for Death Wish which will push fury even higher above arms

theres some people that swear by rampage but in a v short fight, death wish is just better, especially in later tiers with better gear

general population thinks that you bring an arms warrior to every raid for the debuff, but the top performing guilds may drop the arms imo

[charred wadi]

Incorrect

[charred wadi]

Play fury 2h

[still thunder]

i was talking about leveling

[charred wadi]

Play fury for lvling the cleave potential is just so nuts. Arms still works if you really prefer mortal strike + merits if you strictly questing solo on a pvp server.

[rancid dew]

for leveling, you dont have Sweeping Strikes as Arms**

yeah what he said lol

[charred wadi]

You do WTf

😂😂😂

[rancid dew]

oh i am kinda retarded sometimes

lol forgive me

[still thunder]

would you mind linking a build for it?

assume I go arms after I get BT

[rancid dew]

im not leveling my warrior 1st so i havent really looked to far into it which is half the reason why i seem kinda dumb now lol but this is something like what i would rock starting at lvl 60, and assuming 2h fury https://tbcdb.com/talents/index.html?en&warrior&320230000000000000000000550300502501005310510000000000000000000000

if youre gonna dual wield then just swap some of the arms points into dual wield spec in fury tree

[charred wadi]

for 2h fury dungeon/questing setup with a dedicated healer i would do something like this at lvl 60:
https://tbcdb.com/talents/index.html?en&warrior&050003000000000000000000550310500521205312010300000000000000000000

would also be np tanking dungeons 60-65 (swap shield on when dmg intake demands it)

[uncut sigil]

Then leveling in fury and at least 1 arms in raid? Or ignore the arms debuff?

[charred wadi]

think we need to separaste the discussion. in a 25man raid you would want 1x arms warrior for the debuff. the 4% phys amp becomes considerable.

in a 5man setting trash are flopping over and any non-physical damage dealing class in the group reduces the value even more. best case scenario it would be 4/5 since healer wont be doing phys dmg. when you are leveling the debuff (and the other talents you need to put in to reach it) isnt giving near as much mileage for you (and in extension your group) as dual wield fury frontlining as dps/tank.

that being said you can do arms, dw or 2h fury and deep prot sword&board or even dual wield just fine. depending on group comp and gear level things can vary in 5man setting. depending on if youre purely dpsin, pruely tanking or doing a bit of both it can vary. if you are looking to solo quest but also jump in and tank/dps a few dungeons it can vary. there is a lot of flexibility. end of the day your only going 10 lvls. you will make it.

for example, if youre fresh of the boat in communal gear and want to tank for your team probably go deep prot to cotribute the most based on that role e and gear level. if youre decked out in naxx gear and looking to go as fast as possible its gonna be a lot of juice going 8/41/3 and blasting as dual wield.

[arctic flax]

im levelling in a group as tank, should i be full prot or go arms to start?

[undone acorn]

Hi guys I'm new here may I ask for a cleave group which is better arms or fury ? And can your recommend talents. Thank youu

[vital tapir]

arms or fury for lvling ?

[tulip nest]

Anything u want

But sweeping strikes is valuable for clearing multiple mobs

[vital tapir]

im think im going arms but idk wich spec, i got a sword but idk if i will get a questing wep quick for another spec

[tulip nest]

Ure gunna go blacksmithing for the sword anyways if ure arms

[vivid mantle]

Never did Classic before but is it cross realm as well?

[charred wadi]

No cross realm

[charred wadi]

Fury as dps or tank in dungeon. Respecc deep prot if your tanking when dmg intake slows tempo down. Remain fury if your purely dps. Depends on gear but 60-65 at least should be just fine as fury tank (ideally your running blood furnace and slave pens until 65). If your mixing questing with dungeons and on a pvp server arms could be good option as well.

[charred wadi]

depends on gear. deep prot works fine from the start but fury and essentially dpsing will be faster if gear permits.

[vital tapir]

im questing in pvp server and maybe a dungeon from time to time. alrdy went arms sword spec :D

[still socket]

guys

link to classic tbc warrior discord?

[stoic grove]

Any addons to show buffs as auras

[charred wadi]

Check pins in this channel.

[still socket]

ok thx

[small stone]

is arms worth it for levelling?

[vestal anchor]

Aldor or Scryers as DPS/PVP

[uneven ridge]

Hey guys, I'm curious, is thunderfury still used in TBC for a while or are there better weapons available pretty quickly?

[proud comet]

seen ppl tank raids with it , aoe threat

[drowsy minnow]

What faction to choose for prot warrior ?

[dawn pivot]

yo,
what would be Ideal for a 50/50 blue/epic geared warrior. as leveling spec for TBC?
got better 2h wep than 1h weps

[opaque drift]

a rly noob retail warr trying out classic until 9.1. do you use pawn in classic and if so how do you get the stait waits?

thinking with hit etc

[graceful hearth]

so any set thing about dung cleave fury spec?

[hardy fern]

Is there a dedicated tbc warrior discord?

[eager geode]

Fight Club, the classic warrior discord, got tbc channels yeah -> https://discord.gg/RbCZJtw

[light mural]

u think tanking as arms is gonna be good?

decent enough at least

[tiny ingot]

Ungeared war, levle as fury or arms?

[thorny mesa]

do we take anticipation talent 5 out of 5

or what do tbc warriors take

oh yea i forgot to say im prot

[thorny mesa]

im thinking to go dps what spec has more damage fury or arms

[charred wadi]

Lvl as fury @tiny ingot @thorny mesa @small stone

[charred wadi]

Fury better but doesnt matter if you got 3/3 tactical mastery specced and sweeping strikes

[charred wadi]

Its trash. Replaced by blue weapons closer to 70. Check wowheads bis list for pre-raid as prot warrior for Classic tbc.

[charred wadi]

Fury

[vital tapir]

wich gems do we want from the vendor in thrallmar ? strenght ?

[wanton surge]

Hey, do I go Armorsmith as a prot warrior?