mop-discussion

[crystal robin]

I’ll log into the beta and confirm after grabbing some breakfast

I will say the rotation is nice and simple it’s a very chill game mode to just blast with the boys

[surreal stirrup]

Ye i think we are a 10 man

So i resub and started levelling

17 now is kinda Okayge

Need to go class Training and grab hero strike tho

[crystal robin]

If you got rxp questing leveling was fun (imo)

[surreal stirrup]

I have a legal Version of it ye

"legal"

[crystal robin]

mine is also obtained through normal means and not through other means definitely

[surreal stirrup]

[low torrent]

you reckon ill have a better time levelling a dps warrior now or in mop/mop prepatch

i fucked around a little in the mop beta and having a button to press so im pressing buttons and not being an auto attack bot is kinda nice

[crystal robin]

Don’t you get MS early as arms in Cata? Also it’s entirely up to you but no better time than the present

I’d just send it now plenty of people are leveling already

It’ll increase in prepatch with everyone playing a monk but

[surreal stirrup]

ye its fairly early

also why not be ready for prepatch gearing now

[jagged hemlock]

when is prepatch

[crystal robin]

july 1

[distant quail]

So, is fury that much worse than arms in Phase 1 for MoP? I've seen so many saying that fury is really weak without lots of crit, but also that arms is meh at best

[crystal robin]

arms will outperform fury until SoO, the last raid of MOP

I dont know the actual figure, however I estimate you can probably get away with playing fury

[jagged hemlock]

it is the case that arms warrior is very good in low gear because it can reach certain needed stat caps for PvE, in most expansions at least. While fury starts outperforming Arms when the volume of stats in gear start reaching some thresholds.

[lusty torrent]

Do we ever use whirlwind? Yet to find enough rage to dump on it (lvl69)

[jagged hemlock]

on AoE situations

[terse flint]

does anyone know the best talents for leveling as a prot war in cata?

[crystal robin]

in cataclysm? ww is a useless button youre better off running blood and thunder and just spamming thunderclap

[proven lily]

anyone know why T1 recolor showing human chest also same bugg with boots ?https://gyazo.com/55360984c2ee0438065e9f11f6f8f620

[deft magnet]

@full talon you stink

[full talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/119216515684761602/1074039039918882966/ezgif-4-07a415a73f.gif

[deft magnet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/119216515684761602/1074039039918882966/ezgif-4-07a415a73f.gif

[untold arrow]

For anyone who knows about the changes to Fury warrior that was announced today. How does this change their viability in MOP? Will they be viable at the start or will they still be reliant on gear from Siege of Orgrimmar to pull ahead of Arms?

[crystal robin]

arms will still be better

[candid bridge]

prot is better anyway

[undone bramble]

Is it better to level now or prepatch from 80 to 85

[crystal robin]

might as well just do it now, why not?

plenty of people are leveling already bc there's not much else to do, and plenty more will start when prepatch drops

may as well be ahead of the curve and get ur profs in order and start doing dailies to rack up gold

in tol borad every day doing 6 quests is 300g takes maybe 10m for all

there are also firelands dailies that you unlock more quests over time but I think u can do like 3 or 4 quests starting which take 3-5m so

500g a day for 15m is p good

per char too

[void tartan]

Share cata war uis for inspiration please 👀👀👀

[crystal robin]

[surreal stirrup]

@crystal robin

[crystal robin]

Nope you can just game, however you just won’t have zasjir unlocked

[surreal stirrup]

does that zone matter

surely not

[crystal robin]

Nope

It’s the only rep you don’t even need for enchants

You will however in mop want to do the dailies and quest up for the reps

Same reason itd be ideal if mop want coming

Wasn’t*

[surreal stirrup]

i want to do vashjir dailes for mop rep

or did i missunderstand

oh u mean do full mop story

ye im planning on it esp since i alr did that entire continent multiple times alr in remix n retail

maybe ill be fast for once

[crystal robin]

Yeah nah the only dailies you want to do CURRENTLY are tol borad and firelands which firelands ones unlock through mount hyjal

But doing TB dailies is 5-10m for 300g

FL ones are timegated and you unlock more over time but entry level its 200g for 3-5m since they’re all centered in one spot

[surreal stirrup]

im basically through hyal i just expect to be 85 before the end of questing since im playing some dungeons for gear

[crystal robin]

Ez clap

There’s like 5-10 quests you’ll have to do at some point to unlock firelands dailies but they’re accessed near the place where the portal up on the hill you help cenaruis close it

[velvet forge]

do 99-100 parser warriors play troll or orc in mop?

[surreal stirrup]

Wowhead says orc

[crystal robin]

Troll and orc are both real good

[ripe vale]

Who Organize stuff in this Discord? CAnt find anything Pve related to cata. lol

[crystal robin]

Brother read the pins it tells you there’s a dedicated classic one to go to for information on classic lol

[stray jolt]

So Orc should be best for MoP, but do we have any numbers on how far behind Goblin might be?

[jagged hemlock]

is there any way to track the troll regeneration passive with a weakaura or smt ?

[surreal stirrup]

@crystal robindo you know an addon thatll help me not roll on int shit on accident

[jagged hemlock]

it's called "UseEyes&Brain"

[surreal stirrup]

horrible news

[crystal robin]

Yeah the brain firmwarev1.05 update is where I am currently at for making sure I don’t roll on int shit

[crystal robin]

In non meme news you can use RCloot

It’s what my RL does

[honest coral]

what do u actually need for this 'ctc' described on wowhead

i dont rly udnerstand the wording

is it purely based of hitting that mastery targert?

[worn wraith]

It is everything what help you avoid damage, parry dodge block mastery, but mastery gives you the most of it.
I play arms so I may be wrong

[crystal robin]

you want a combination of mastery, parry, dodge, and block to reach a cumulative total of 102.4% with mastery being the most desirable out of those stats

[fiery sand]

guys, we are still good in Pandaria? im thinking in keeping my arms or leveling up a warlock 😦

and with good i mean "people wont have to think twice to invite you" good

[crystal robin]

yes warrior is good

[wheat zodiac]

every 25m will want 3 warriors for perma skull banner during bloodlust if they are minmaxing.

we are prob the best and most stackable melee

[fiery sand]

and i guess fury is still garbage no?

[wheat zodiac]

might be decent in soo/throne

prob won't outpace arms

but especially at start of expac where you are stat starved it will be bad i think

[crystal robin]

sims are showing it being very close to arms in single target

[vernal ferry]

Does warrior add many new keybinds in mop?

[crystal robin]

Yes some are removed too

[rigid yoke]

Stance dances are gone, so you might lose some there. Banners get added so you get 3 there. I would assume more or less the same amount. As prot you might have some more

[crystal robin]

u still want to think about what stance u are in during MOP

[rigid yoke]

Well yes ofc, but in overall keybinds necessary, you will still see a reduction due to it

[smoky goblet]

Hi i now 36 levl best for leveling is armrs or fury ?

[cobalt shore]

If you are spaming dungs then go tank for more likely q proc, but as dps i would say arms

[vernal ferry]

So the macros from now will work the same then?

[worn wraith]

No, in cata macros are necessary because every skill need different stance. In MoP stances changes only your damage taken and generate fury

[rigid yoke]

They will work, but some might not be necessary anymore

If any

[crystal robin]

You don’t interact with stances the same way you do in cata, no. Stances changed from cata and you don’t permanently want to be in zerker stance

You wanna be in battle most of the time and zerker when you are taking raid damage that won’t kill you

[vernal ferry]

Oh i see so instead of macroing everything you just want dedicated keybinds for the stances

[rigid yoke]

You can also do a swap macro for berserk/battle stance

[vernal ferry]

Right right nice

[worn wraith]

Can you put it on dc?

[rigid yoke]

Working right now, so sadly no. But i should be able to reconstruct it

#showtooltips
/cast [stance:1] Berserker Stance; Battle Stance

It is from memory, so there might be an error.
If you are in battle stance it swaps to berserker. If you are in any other stance(or no stance for some reason) it swaps to battle

If not,i screwed up and you might need to switch the 2 stances in macro

[worn wraith]

Thanks a lot 🙂

[smoky goblet]

Hi i confuse i play arms warr and i now levl 40 after 3 times or more use rend i prot bladestorm tell me how ?

[wheat zodiac]

You don’t have bladestorm yet. Are you using Ravager from scarlet monastery? It has an effect like bladestorm except you can’t move during it

It’s a 2-handed axe

[molten kestrel]

do we have a good execute phase on mop?

[worn wraith]

I saw that on yt, quite easy, maintain cs and ms and spam execute

Maybe worth of save some cd for this phase

[wheat zodiac]

I thought we only have like 1 cd

Avatar/the bleed thingy

[rigid yoke]

recklessness afaik

if you only count pure number cooldowns

and banner, but you time that for the raid

[wheat zodiac]

yea its just reck + ava/bleed

[distant quail]

So at the start of MoP, valor is turned into justice points, but what can we actually buy with them?

[balmy sleet]

Probably will all be in gold so you can start clean

Guys, do you have a video or smth for guide for warrior dps in MOP ?

[rigid yoke]

worst case scenario: find a video guide from 5.4

[distant quail]

There's some guides on wowhead for arms, prot, and even fury if you really like it

[crystal robin]

hierlooms

[balmy sleet]

Arms > fury in mop ?

[rigid yoke]

my memory says yes, with a shift towards SoO, but they might be hazy, been a long time

[balmy sleet]

https://www.wowhead.com/mop-classic/guide/classes/warrior/arms/dps-rotation-cooldowns-abilities-pve

[distant quail]

Is Pandaria open yet, or is it just the talent changes?

[crystal robin]

the expansion is not out yet no

just talents and monks and pandas

[distant quail]

what is the best way to level up now that things have changed?

[untold arrow]

has anyone noticed that charge does not have a minimum range requirement anymore?

[rigid yoke]

For real? Didnt check. Would be weird tho, will get fixed if so

[pallid crane]

Yeah that seems to be something they changed for MOP. If it's intentional that's really really nice

[rigid yoke]

Unlikely, even on retail, it still has a minimum range

Or maybe they see a problem in charge weaving, but that has been a thing for like forever

[glass quest]

somone have dmg graf for mop ?

[stark ivy]

hi guys, are any of you having problems generating rage in arms?

[chrome flume]

Any saweet MoP arms macros?

[upper python]

other than /attack macro on abilities i don't think u need any

we're past the macro stancing age

[rigid yoke]

Get yourself a macro only for switching stances, you still want to switch them based on encounter circumatances

There is a macro on retail for impending victory/charge on one keybind, but it wont work rn due to charge no longer having a minimum range for some reason

[untold arrow]

It seems the removal of the minimum range for charge is intentional, as part of the changes they made

https://www.wowhead.com/mop-classic/news/shadowform-and-moonkin-buffed-warriors-minimum-charge-range-removed-mists-of-377612?utm_source=discord-webhook

[ancient grove]

is there a reason to use cleave over whirlwind or heroic strike over slam?

[crystal robin]

in mop slam is insane damage and is highest prio during CS

you only press HS or cleave when you are gonna overcap rage

which isnt very often

[chrome flume]

No need to walk out of combat anymore to click charge

[rigid yoke]

I guess you mean range

[chrome flume]

Yes

U can just stand on the spot and charge, maximizing Rage

Shouldn't the rotation also mention (not just in opener that is) that if Mortal Strike fails to enrage you before you Colossus smash, and if you have Berserker rage up, use that?

It mentions it in Opener, but not in the actual rotation

[untold arrow]

There's still a reason to move out before casting charge, as you get more rage based on how far you travel with charge

[chrome flume]

https://tenor.com/view/kowalski-noted-penguins-penguins-of-madagascar-gif-1306663699157096677

Did not know! Good tip

[cold field]

Hello guys. Im playing Mop pre-patch and in wowhead guide says that Each cast of Overpower reduces the cooldown of Mortal Strike by 1 second. But i cant find anywhere this in the game. Is that correct? https://www.wowhead.com/mop-classic/guide/classes/warrior/arms/dps-overview-pve

[latent blade]

What profs for pvp going into MoP? Engi and ?

[rigid yoke]

yeah cant find the passive either, but it works that way

[crystal robin]

I think it’s wrapped up in TFB, however I could be wrong

[lofty rose]

And herb i think 😄

[left thicket]

I would guess Tailoring for Cloak Proc enchant or Blacksmithing for extra sockets? These seems to be the best 3 (Engi, Tailoring, BS)

[stable mural]

anyone know why im missing spells and autos on 85 dummies? 7.5% hit/expertise

skull dummies*

[chrome flume]

Standing infront of them or behind them?

[stable mural]

Behind for sure

not a parry, just a miss

missed a cs slam and some autos

[chrome flume]

What is your gear?

[rigid yoke]

Is the dummy considered 85 or 90?

[fair sedge]

Bois, do you even press heroic strike in mop classic?

Cant you just press slam to dump rage?

[rigid yoke]

HS is not on the same gcd as slam, so you still can use it if you massively overcap on rage, e.g. berserker stance rage gain during heavy aura boss

[cold field]

Hey guys, im Mop what stance should i be running dungeons as arms?

[crystal robin]

Battle stance unless you are taking damage then go zerker stance

[distant quail]

So Ik arms is much better than fury for raid, but in Phase 1 Pre-Raid BiS gear, how big is the difference for dungeons?

[glossy quartz]

Other warrior disc too sweaty. Would rather talk to grass touchers here

[glossy quartz]

P1 sims are out. If you don’t wanna set up your raid buffs and iterations etc, in full bis arms is in the lead by 4-5k, then titans grip. SMF is 3-4k behind TG last I checked. I can’t run sims I work off the grid and my employer has everything cool blocked on our trash internet

I wanna say arms simmed between 164-165, TG around 160, SMF 156-157? I messed with it very briefly last week before I left for work.

[glossy quartz]

If you wanna play it in celestials or heroic dungeons it’s got high burst single target and aoe, good cleave. It’ll be fine. I played it a lot on beta because I prefer it over the new arms play style. It feels clunky and awkward to me compared to Cata arms. I do like the changes to sweeping strikes and blood & thunder but other than that I like playing fury much better

[lime kraken]

Prot it's a good option to play in this expansion?

[wispy fractal]

IRC u pretty much always wanna be in Battle stance now?

as Arms

[crystal robin]

yes unless u are taking damage then be in berserker

[wispy fractal]

Ty

[chrome flume]

Pre BiSed up...

[glossy quartz]

Big aura damage you want berserker. It feels better during those phases too, my main complaint is arms feels like you’re always playing catch up on rage.

[chrome flume]

I feel like this happens not so commonly if you spend/generate wisely

[fluid laurel]

Anyone have a good weapon swing timer for MoP Prepatch/MoP Classic? Every one I’ve tried has been broken or for a different version of the game

[hexed quail]

curious if yall think it's best to cast CS on CD or wait until you have 80 rage pooled to spend on only slams during the duration

ideally you'd have the 80 rage when it comes off CD but sudden death can make that wacky

[chrome flume]

Cast colossus if its not on target

And try ur best to pool up rage when CS is not on target

[crystal robin]

ahlaundoh has one that works, but you need to sub to him to get it

[fluid laurel]

RIP

Love Ahl but lame, I’m sure there’ll be one that comes out during launch if not before

[empty radish]

Whirlwind costs 20rage and does 85% wep dmg to all enemies in 8yd and no cooldown
Cleave costs 30rage and does 82% wep dmg to 2 enemies (without SS) with 1.5s cooldown

Why am I seeing cleave suggested over WW for AOE situations no that there's now stance req's?

[steady thicket]

cleave isnt on the GCD iirc, which means you can technically press both at once, guides prob says this due to prioring gcds

[crystal robin]

because theres not really a good reason to press WW when slam exists and its only telling you to use cleave when you will cap rage

slam when ss is up is 96.25% + 436 dam to all enemies within 2 yds

so its doing substantailly more than ww

[empty radish]

Ahh gotcha, that makes complete sense then tbh. First xpack actually getting to play war and this is my OS so I was just a bit curious. Didn't even realise SS went to 10s CD letting you have 100% uptime

[untold arrow]

Would you want to prioritize mortal strike over slam during a colossus smash window?

[crystal robin]

if you are below 80 rage yes

[glossy quartz]

That’s what I mean. Getting CS procs and having no rage to capitalize. Not a fan of mop arms at all compared to Cata arms. Can’t wait to drop it for fury

[untold arrow]

When does fury become better than arms? Near the end of ToT or beginning of SoO?

[crystal robin]

we dont know, there has been class tuning so theres a chance that timeline changes

last I heard theyre relatively close in ST in p1 bis

but arms stomps it in cleave so

[pseudo crater]

Is there another discord for mop warrior?

[crystal robin]

pins

when u join be sure to thourougly read their rules channel

[primal cipher]

SoO is when Fury felt great for me (the only time I played Fury). I suspect it’s because you can achieve the optimal amount of crit

[primal cipher]

The playstyle definitely forces you to use every single source of rage you can find. Charge weaving before a CS could help. So does Battle Shout. So does Bersekrer Rage (also gives you enrage which is good to have while you’re spamming Slam inside CS).

This is gonna feel much worse once we replace our DS gear where we won’t even get CS procs 🫠

[vernal ferry]

The further you run for charge the more rage you get?

[untold arrow]

yup

[glossy quartz]

In beta I got to raid with surreal in H MSV as a pug and it played alright at 371 pre bis, but felt slow and rage drained. A few things were awesome improvements (like deep wounds taking over for rend and the updated blood & thunder), but overall it went from a very calculated fast pace priority to a slow and conservative rotation and I’m just sad about it, it’s personal. I might end up rolling frost dk until fury starts to pull ahead again.

One thing I noticed playing beta was bladestorm felt the best for arms. The arms rotation is slow enough that you aren’t ever rage capped and you can time it out pretty well where you’re not really missing a bunch of globals. As fury I took dragons roar single target because I was sitting rage capped AND losing out on bloodthirsts that in turn generate raging blows during the channel time.

You can also shout / berserker rage while channeling bladestorm which is awesome because it sets you up with a good amount of rage after the fact. If there was any amount of cleave or aoe it was a no brainer for me as far as smoothness and rage management, and honestly I even played it single target because of that reason. I’m not sure what current sims are saying in bis but I think in pre bis it’s worth noting.

[glossy quartz]

It started taking off in ToT but arms was still AWESOME cleave and aoe. I had some awesome counsel and tortos parses as arms. That timeline might change with them trying to tune things more this time around. Or they might smooth out arms, who knows.

[glossy quartz]

There is and if you touch grass they’re super rude if you’re not parsing 90+, even if your game knowledge is sound.

[quasi beacon]

Is there a warrior discord for cata/mop classic?

[slate lark]

a bit confused, do I use overpower charges or use slam on ST?

[primal cipher]

You are using slam with CS when enrage is up and you pooled enough rage to spam it in that CS window

That is your hardest hitting ability in that particular instance

Otherwise you are using MS > OP and trying to pool rage until CS comes back / you proc a CS

[slate lark]

nice, thanks

[chrome flume]

Yes, maximum 10 yds

[random trench]

anyone recommend any decent arms WA's?

[magic merlin]

Hello

[wheat zodiac]

thats so lame. like 80% of warrior parsing in cata comes from gs because the class's dps floor is so high

and simple rotation

[glossy quartz]

I logged over 150 kills over t13 all difficulties and never hit a heroic crèche or bone link and I didn’t get heroic eye of unmaking until the week before mop prepatch. Feelsbadman

I was using rotting skull or heroic apparatus with a 403 eye the whole tier.

[wheat zodiac]

yea i was last in prio for H girth as a ret teh whole tier and i only parsed orange/pink the first 2 weeks

got a 99 on morchok bc i was the only ret keeping censure up on both copies, and got super lucky on ultraxion with procs

at least in mop there will be less of a difference between groups that have 12 demo locks that spam prepull rng over nad over vs groups that don't do that

[glossy quartz]

Same for me in prog. I parsed great during prog then once the cheesers got full bis I went from 90’s to 70-80’s.

Then half my group quit after we got all our 10 man a mount and we had to pug 4-5 dps every week

[wheat zodiac]

10 man is tough too you miss so much gear bc the drops are so ass

see the same shit every single week im glad i joined a 25m after t11

we never once saw the nef 2her

[glossy quartz]

They’re sweats man. Idc if there’s only like 10 of us in this disc, the other disc is all SoD baby’s that got a free Cata toon that talk about what changes they could theoretically make to balance the class better (which will never happen). It’s wild

[wheat zodiac]

honestly we got more than we deserve with the no min distance charge

[glossy quartz]

That’s nice. I read that you generate more rage for every yard up to 10 yards that we are away from the target though? Any validity to that? I can’t keep up with patch notes I’m traveling for work until the end of this month

[wheat zodiac]

its true but it doesnt realy matter, not worth walking away to get that i think

wtih bull rush you get like 25 rage on min distance charge

vs 35 at 10 yards i think

as long as u have bull rush glyph and the 12 sec charge cd talent the rage feels pretty smooth, whereas before without charge weaving you were definitely sitting on your hands a bit

now when you have a rare rage starvation moment you can click bshout, and theres never really a moment to bladestorm anymore it feels like

at least in prepatch maybe it will be different at 90 with the new stat weights, im sitting at like 30% crit

[covert vale]

Anyone know where I can pickup the Glyph of Subtle Defender?

The Wowhead guide has it as the one of the three BiS Minor Glpyhs but i cant find it on the AH

[rigid yoke]

Afaik it is one of the mop glyphs coming with release

[wheat zodiac]

Yerp

[primal cipher]

Only thing you need to know is that charge change (which was never in the original MoP, so they’re changing history a bit) and overpower doing much more damage (although this might’ve been a 5.4 change back in the days and you just get it from the jump)

There is a lot of moving parts with rage in general as already mentioned

Berserker rage gives you rage on demand too AND enrage

Berserker Stance is a huge one

You have to take note of the many unavoidable damage situations where you suddenly get your rage bar filled

[glossy quartz]

If they buffed overpower I’m happy it felt horribly underwhelming in early beta phase

[primal cipher]

Then you swap back to battle stance

That is the extent of stance dancing we will be doing

[slate lark]

When do you swap to berserker?

[primal cipher]

When you anticipate predictable (often unavoidable) damage

You can also stand in fire with it on but your healers are gonna hate you

[honest coral]

is arms superior in MoP?

[distant quail]

yes

[grand jewel]

hi! quick mop question. If both CS and MS are off cooldown and CS isn't up on the target which should be pressed first? thanks!

[crystal robin]

if you are enraged press cs, if you arent enraged then press mortal strike

[grand jewel]

thanks! in all circumstances? say if i have 40 rage instead of 75 to use slams + ms etc

[crystal robin]

yes

ms is a builder now not spender

[grand jewel]

yup true! say you were enraged and used CS would you next use ms or just start slamming with CS up?

[crystal robin]

80 rage you slam, < 80 rage you ms

[grand jewel]

if <80 rage but not enraged why not use CS first instead of MS if you have to use both in the cs window anyway?

[crystal robin]

the only answer I can really give is because sims say the former does more damage over the course of the fight

logically holding ms by a global means u lose more rage

[grand jewel]

oh np! was just curious and appreciate the help!

[crystal robin]

similar logic I used in cata was casting MS first the opportunity cost is less

u delay a 20s cd ability by 1 global or u dealy a 4-5s ability by one global

the % of cooldown of the ability used up for the former is greater than the ladder

whether or not thats the case 🤷‍♂️

im not a theorycrafter guy I just read wowhead guide and pres buton

[grand jewel]

thanks for the help!

[pure sandal]

How does arms feel in mop generally? Fun to play?

[glossy quartz]

I personally am biased and think fury is more fun but arms does better numbers single target and has way better aoe with blood and thunder / sweeping strikes / slam changes

Originally fury pulled ahead in ToT but they’re tuning stuff differently this time so I can’t say if that will happen or not

[glossy quartz]

Other disc only talks about potential balances and frankly I don’t think blizzard cares about how we think they should balance the spec 😆

[wicked glen]

Hey, Is blood elf as warrior is worth play? Are these big differences in dps between, for example, an orc? Pandaria ofc

[primal cipher]

Racials usually are very minimal impact (within 1% usually?) so really play what you like. Raid wise though I’m not sure Blood Elf racials are as useful.

I think I remember back in the days that Pandaren had the highest dps potential due to Epicurean racial. Unfortunately, this depends on you not dying (and losing your food buff).

This might need to be revisited again with much modern sim tools and sim profiles.

[primal cipher]

Decade+ ago I was gritting my teeth with the new Arms playstyle (coming off of Cataclysm) but I stayed loyal anyway. I felt as long as I was staying competitive, I would slog through the boring rotation.

Then came Siege of Orgrimmar came and I started become a detriment because other classes and specs were simply pumping better DPS with optimal gear and stats (including Fury). Gave Fury a shot and discovered the SoO Fury playstyle resembles Arms playstyle of old so I ended up swapping.

I think things could be a tad different this time due to starting with 5.4 changes immediately AND the change to charge (to make charge weaving more palatable).

But I dunno, at the end it’s going to boil down to whether you are having fun- which is something I can’t tell you unless you experience it yourself. 🤷🏽‍♂️

Looking back though, I think MoP Arms is LOADED with defensive CDs. I think it’s actually crazy, this may be the Arms version with the most personals. Defensive stance, Die by the Sword, Shield Wall (which doesn’t even require a shield anymore) and Rallying Cry. And you have Vigilance which the raid will appreciate you for with on demand defensive CD for a teammate of your choosing.

Second Wind was at its strongest version - I remember this talent healing me constantly even for a boss like Blade Lord Tayak when there’s constant wind slowly depleting your health.

So I think in PVP, Arms is pretty decent. You’d still get destroyed by Monks though with their endless amounts of stuns, disarms, and pacify. 🫠

[pure sandal]

Thanks!

[distant quail]

Would anyone know just how far apart that arms and fury are for MoP phase 1? Ik that arms is better, but by how much? Is it like around 5%, or a more gaping 20% or something?

[crystal robin]

It’s not huge in single target last I checked somewhere in 2-5%

But in aoe its massive

[glossy quartz]

Last I checked arms was about 5k ahead of titans grip in full p1 bis, single target. Arms AOE is insane

[distant quail]

When you say aoe, are you talking about like 5 or 8+ targets?

[glossy quartz]

Cleave and aoe both

[distant quail]

Where did you check?

[glossy quartz]

They canned rend and buffed deep wounds. Changed blood and thunder to an arms passive to spread deep wounds. Essentially no cooldown on sweeping strikes. Slam into CS for the damage buff, with SS up, does crazy aoe damage with changes to the aforementioned abilities. Arms cleave and aoe is pretty nuts

Idk a couple of weeks

I’m traveling for work so I haven’t looked

[distant quail]

So they got to keep all of their bleeds effects and buffs to it?

Im just waiting for when arms fury start locking into their signature styles, fury has better balance of st while keeping good aoe. While arms is great in st or aoe, just have to choose. But ik that's gonna be another couple expansions from now

[glossy quartz]

If it doesn’t get balanced or tuned beforehand fury should pull ahead 1-3 targets in ToT if it plays anything like it did the first time though.

For fury to be super effective you need BT crits which not only trigger raging blow procs but also trigger your enrage, and obviously your mastery increases damage done while enraged. Also meaning, if you’re not enraged your mastery stat isn’t even technically in play.

It might not pull ahead of arms in 2-3 target cleave but it will be playable for sure.

I haven’t done all that math yet. I work off the grid and haven’t logged on in weeks

[crude pecan]

hell ye bro we gots a cata channel?

[regal lion]

Guys how do i even get gear in the prepatch+

[crystal robin]

twilight dungeons

or do dragon soul

[primal cipher]

Stock up and cap on Honor and buy PVP gear on release

That should put you in MOP heroic dungeon requirements in a hurry

[hearty sandal]

anyone know if its possible to make a macro that casts MS if its off CD otherwise cast OP?

[round lake]

Is BS better than alchemy in mop? I already have engi

[cursive grail]

do we ever use heroic strike in pvp?

[winged plaza]

hell naw

[primal cipher]

Using heroic strike would’ve made sense if we actually got the MoP release when it was current content

In PVP that is

Back in the days, release MoP Avatar provided you increase rage gain

It was later nerfed and improved rage gen removed while Avatar is active

In MoP Classic we start with 5.4 patch changes immediately

So we don’t even get to enjoy the overpowered Avatar if only for a short while

[eager sedge]

Cheers guys, I am kinda confused about the wowhead warrior rotation.. also playing warrior for the first time
On wowhead its stated that we follow a priority system but yet we are given a a cast sequence?
The priority is to get up to 80 rage so I can use CM and spam Slam if I got this right. Does that mean tho that I won't be using CM and Slam below 80 rage? And if so: What will I be pressing after MS? The reason I am asking is because the opener won't bring me to 80 rage before CM should be cast in the sequence

At least I can't seem to achieve this at lvl 83 on training dummy

[primal cipher]

What do you mean by CM?

Do you mean CS?

I also don’t know which training dummy you’re testing things on but doing stuff on a level 85 raid boss training dummy at level 83 means you need to be hit and exp capped, which might not be possible on your level

The MoP Arms rotation is curiously evolving if you’re paying attention to Fight Club channel

For instance: Using Bladestorm on ST (and cancel aura to immediately MS when it’s available again) is looking like a very slight increase over using Dragon Roar?

And there’s also discussions with using OP inside CS is a very high priority if you’re already capped on Taste for Blood stacks. Except when Recklessness was recently popped because you don’t really need the extra crit chance on OP

So mindlessly Slam spamming with CS and enrage up might not be the play with these conditions

All of these of course are backed by simulations so it’s an interesting debate

With regards to 80 rage opener, this SHOULD be achievable with pre-battle shout, max distance charge, and berserker rage 🤷🏽‍♂️

[primal cipher]

Bottom line, you will be using MS and stacks of OP anyway when you don’t have rage and CS is up on your target, so it satisfies the “OP when you are capped on TfB stacks” requirement

[eager sedge]

Yeah brain farted out, Colossal sMash 😄

[eager sedge]

Pre-Shout was missing, indeed.. Haven't seen it in the opener, just in the ST rota hence why I thought it was reserved for this purpose due to 1 min CD

[crystal robin]

There are 2 separate graphics in the wowhead guide. One shows your opener which is what you should do for the first x amount of globals then after the opener you default back to the priority list

The priority list then changes once you reach execute phase

#8 in the opener sections instructs you to do the ST rotation in which you’d then just follow the priority lists that are below the opener section

[eager sedge]

Is the ST "rotation" by any chance meant to be a rotation with mixed in priorities?

Or should this section be stritcly interpreted as a priority list.. meaning casting charge is number one prio (except for rage cap i guess)

The usage of words just confused me. Rotation != Priority List, to me at least but perhaps its just me missunderstanding the concept

[primal cipher]

Rotation in itself should no longer be used

It is not a set order of things

[crystal robin]

A rotation section will always be presented as a priority list as there isn’t really a true “rotation” in the game

[sacred vault]

any good macros for prot war?

[hard jolt]

What rep factions to focus on as arms warrior/warrior? 🙂

[crystal robin]

shado pan, klaxxi, golden lotus, august celestials. however ther are alternative pieces from MSV for each slot so

[glass quest]

can fury for mop or arm is too strong ?

[glossy quartz]

Fury is about 4k behind arms in full bis. But arms blows it away in aoe and cleave. Fury started to pull ahead in ToT originally but we will see if it plays out similarly or not this time around

[formal garden]

Just to clarify, Fury or Arms was best for aoe/cleave?

[scarlet cradle]

Is this the only channel about warrior MoP? Or is there any other dc? Im new into warrior

[pallid crane]

Fight club is the main warrior discord but this one tends to be more chill when you ask certain questions about the game tbh XD

[tame comet]

Do you use heroic throw as a filler?

[glossy quartz]

Fight club is where you go to be condescended on by 99-100 parsers (who stacked 6-8+ demo locks with mastery & prepull sets to achieve those parses).

Arms is drastically higher aoe. Spread deep wounds with thunder clap, slam into your CS debuff which now does splash AOE damage with SS up.

Once fury scales it may be competitive on 2-3 target cleave but I don’t see it surpassing arms cleave

That’s also only an opinion as we can’t see p2 numbers for a while.

[primal cipher]

Fight Club elites makes me laugh. At times I wonder where those people would migrate to once “Classic” ends and there are no more people to gatekeep from a very niche game to begin with

[primal cipher]

You should never be in a situation where this happens

And if for whatever reason MS is on CD and you have no OP charges, I would rather Battle Shout for rage or charge weave

[tame comet]

I mean as fury though

Also, is blood fury on a full gcd or not?

not sure what spell to macro it with

[glossy quartz]

As fury I have used heroic strike in some scenarios to prevent rage cap, because that can happen if you get lucky with wild strike procs.

The main thing is pooling raging blows to use into CS debuff while simultaneously not wasting any, and not sitting on / clipping bloodthirsts which are your main raging blow generator. I haven’t been able to play this month to know exactly how those scenarios math out, on beta my crit was low enough I was comfortable going into CS with 2 raging blow stacks because my CS hardly ever crit to waste a raging blow stack anyways, and if berserker rage was up I could get 3 raging blows into one CS duration.

I don’t know if this is worth it when it comes to min maxing. I also don’t know exactly how long it’s acceptable to hold onto CS to fish for a RB proc (or wait out berserker rage). I can find all that out after this month once I can log into the game again. I’m actually working remote in the middle of Alaska texting off my starlink

I haven’t been able to read patch notes or anything. Sims look the same as when I left a month ago though

[noble niche]

do warrior stance dance in mop classic?

[rigid yoke]

Battle stance is your main stance. You change to berserker stance if there is predictable incoming damage(aura damage or an aoe cast). Defensive for extra defensive if needed.

[empty radish]

Is fury as viable or close to arms?

[primal cipher]

Historically speaking it took over Arms at around ToT. Definitely Siege of Orgrimmar in full BIS when it was reliably critting (and thus more enrage uptime)

[empty radish]

Ah relies on crit does it? I know it had some dmg buffs before launch so wasn't sure what the crack was

[radiant furnace]

Is heroic leap giving you guys "no path available" on basically every surface? (mop)

[empty radish]

yeah, it's absolutely dog..... you can't go from 1 elevation to another with it, almost unusable unless on flat ground.... but you can charge/intervene just fine

[radiant furnace]

yeah I've been using banner + intervene for verticality lol

that has the same issue a lot of the time though

[neat night]

How long is a full honour set taking to get on MoP?

[slim horizon]

do you guys use any weakaura to reapply battle shout? the only classic ones i find require rage so im assuming its not relevant for mop?

[hearty sandal]

Confused on the arms rotation in mop? Different sources are saying different things

[peak owl]

Apologies is there a separate warrior discord for mop classic?

[flint mantle]

i dont think so

[crystal robin]

Look in the pins

And when you join it be sure to read their rules channel thoroughly

[peak owl]

Of this channel?

[crystal robin]

Ya

[peak owl]

References specifically TBC, but appreciate I could've stuck my nose in

[crystal robin]

Tbf that message was posted 4 years ago

So TBC was the relevant expac at the time but it has evolved with the game

[peak owl]

You're so right man, cheers

[crystal robin]

Good luck and be sure to read their rules and pins and shit through and through they’re kinda sticklers over there for that sort of thing

[empty radish]

Can anyone help me understand why this doesn't cast Bladestorm? It does everything else, but won't cast BS. If I put /cast bladestorm or /use bladestorm in its own macro, it casts it.

EDIT: Found that shattering throw is causing the Issue, even whilst on CD the macro won't cast bladestorm

[white palm]

anyone know how to move the banner icon under the name plate?

spent the last couple hours trying to figure this out

losing my mind

[hollow marsh]

Maybe try addon MoveAnything

[glossy quartz]

Finally been able to play after being gone for work. Both specs played well but obviously losing crit with every level I finally switched to arms at level 88 (439ilvl). Just hit 89 tonight. Definitely playing arms until fury gets a balance buff or until it passively pulls ahead in p2/3 like it did live the first time. Bull rush with no charge distance definitely helped make the spec feel less clunky and rage drained. I’m also running bladestorm with a cancel aura macro that I hit when I’m ready to break the channel on my next MS cooldown. You can shout and berserker rage while bladestorming and once again, a pretty nice feel to that combo to combat any rage issues you may be having.

I believe roar sims better but I like how bladestorm with the cancel aura macro plays. Very smooth and you come out of bladestorm with a nice amount of rage to go into your next CS.

And obviously I’m questing and doing dungeons, so bladestorm is better in most situations for me right now. Not sure how it will work out in raid but it feels great.

[primal cipher]

I don’t think Fury is getting a balance buff

Basically everyone is on 5.4 changes

What you really mean is having Fury to start getting better gear

[knotty badge]

I'm looking for a WA that can show me an absorb amount currently active on me (shield barrier) including a duration of when this buff expires.
I've had a look on Wago.io but unfortunately I'm unable to find something that can display this information.
I'm wondering if any of you prot warriors have something they could share. tnx!

[fickle valve]

guys, wolrd boss releases when?

[hallow jasper]

you guys running any macros to clean up this button bloat?

[tropic plover]

does weapon dmg matter in mop classic?

[crude monolith]

What piece we buying first???

[crystal robin]

weapon atk speed is normalized so no

[crystal robin]

golden lotus shoulders

[tropic plover]

so just the stats like STR on the weapon are what matters then?

[crystal robin]

str and secondaries yes

do NOT equip an agility weapon

[tropic plover]

trying to compare these two and idk which i should use.

oh rip

LOL

guess blubber carver is the one i should keep using then

[crystal robin]

okay well thats a pretty big fkn outlier

[tropic plover]

ik im still just leveling D:

thats why i was asking about weapon dmg

[crystal robin]

id prolly still just wear the green until u can find another str wep

[tropic plover]

ok

im just retail brained, where wep dmg matters to your abilties doing dmg

so had to ask

[glossy quartz]

Depends on who you ask because I got chastised on the sweaty warrior discord for assuming the same thing

It only sims 4k below arms in full p1 bis. I think it will play excellently come p2

As is

[frank shuttle]

Is there no SimC for MoP?

[magic pier]

Use WoWSims

[wheat zodiac]

You just gonna need 3 bars sadly, especially if you pvp

Getting passive trinkets really helped

IG you could run avatar so it lines with recklessness to go brain off

[hallow jasper]

Banners are dope but 3 buttons is insane lol

[primal cipher]

I’ve had Pummel on Charge macroed together for years. Maybe not so good now though because they removed min range for Charge 🤷🏽‍♂️

It’s kinda crazy that Arms has a lot of personals though, probably most it’s ever got

Defensive stance, DBTS, Shield Wall, spell reflect

And vigilance for external

I think it’s fine to macro dragon roar and bloodbath together, I think that’s how it was done back when MOP was in retail. But if you’re running bladestorm build you’re probably going to end up macroing Reck and Bloodbath together

[glossy quartz]

So I run in a 10 man. I macro’d my skull banner to my recklessness macro with my racial, engineering gloves, etc. I also use rally / demo banner together in most raid situations too so I macrod those together as well.

Isn’t there a glyph to make your heroic throw an interrupt or silence now? That would be a good one to macro into charge if you like that

If that glyph doesn’t exist I’m in the wrong part of my warrior memory. Expansions start to blend together after 20 years of one class

[hallow jasper]

The rally demo banner is nice. I’ll do this. I was trying to figure out berserker rage and thirst since it kinda goes good together

[halcyon sable]

which enchant on heriloom axe for leveling ? also why i canbt join random dun at 15 ?

[crystal robin]

you need to choose a role at the top

[halcyon sable]

no , still same

[crystal robin]

hover over the lock it will tell u

[crystal robin]

but in that ss u dont have tank or dps selected so you cant queue until u do

[halcyon sable]

reload didnt help

[crystal robin]

maybe full exit game and reboot that shouldnt happen

unless ur like a panda and havent chosen faction yet or something crazy

[halcyon sable]

its worgen and im still finishing gilneas story maybe thats why

[crystal robin]

oh yeah that makes sense

[halcyon sable]

how about enchant ? Landslide ?

[crystal robin]

lower levels u are better off using fiery

as u get higher stat based ones like crusader, landslide etc will get better

around level 50-60

[halcyon sable]

thanks

[halcyon sable]

i must say arms warrior is total powerhouse while leveling in dungs . dmg is just insane

[glossy quartz]

I do berserker rage and shouts, because they’re on different globals and both generate rage.

Berserker rage is on my reck CD too since it’s short

[celest tapir]

for arms do we go Engi & BS?

[crystal robin]

those and alch are the recommended on wowhead

all profs are pretty good though

[glossy quartz]

They really leveled out the profession gap. Obviously some are still better than others but overall the core professions all benefit you about the end in the end unless you’re a hardcore minmaxer

[crystal robin]

alch trinket is 2nd best equip rn beside darkmoon deck trinket, and wont be replaced until the MSV trinket

still only a few hundred better than stormstout trinket but alch also prints money

[halcyon sable]

is there any way to filtger out MoP gems on AH ?

[crystal robin]

just by color

[plain token]

hey why is it mentioned charge weave since charge on mop has no cast range especification? i was browsin wow head mop arms guide

[primal cipher]

Because you don’t just wanna be charging point blank

You still want max range to get the max amount of rage possible

I think it’s like 1 yard per 1 point or rage for a total of 10?

[crystal robin]

yes, when the change to the range happened, the change mentioned above also happened

with glyph u get 25 base, and 35 if u are 10 yds away

personally i just take a step or two back, sometimes not at all I find I dont often have rage issues with the new rotation

however it still has minimum rage in pvp be aware if you go to farm conquest for prebis gear

[plain token]

holy shiet, i didnt knew!! nice to know... didnt even read the charge tooltip xD ty for clarification guys

[empty radish]

Does anyone else feel rage starved all the time in battle stance when they aren't taking phys dmg to generate in berserker stance?

I feel like I've never got more than 25 and can only use overpower, unless I had a shout, berserk and MS all on CD to generate like 50

[crystal robin]

are u not pressing charge on cd? what rage are u when u are pressing slam outside of CS? how many OP stacks do you have when you are pressing slam in and outside of CS? OP > slam even in CS when at 4/5 stacks, go back to using slam at 3 and always use MS on cd

[empty radish]

I didn't realise they removed the min distance to charge, so wasn't using it on CD as I thought it was just buggy like everything else
I can barely use slam in CS window, let alone out of it.
OP Stacks range from 2-5

I can barely use slam due to rage, so basically im just MS > OP > OP > wait if needed > same again until I get a berserk/shout/charge to generate enough to slam

[celest scarab]

yo,m any recommended talents for arms pvp? saw a lot of diff talents (icy veins, wowhead)

and dunno what is best choice. some say shockwave>bladestorm

[empty radish]

not sure about Shockwave outside of prot but it's usually BS if AoE and Dragon Roar for Single Target

[crystal robin]

are u in berserker stance or something? also you should barely be using slam, but it shouldnt be because u have 0 rage

[crystal robin]

personally I ran swave every 2s I did to conq cap. I am not amazing at pvp by any means but I prolly won 60-70% of my 40-50 games(I helped others conq cap too)

[crystal robin]

also this end part has been updated and ideally you fit 3 OPS into every CS window. because it allows u an extra global within CS about

[empty radish]

When I'm open world or know I'm taking damage, I'm in berserker. If I'm not taking damage it's battle stance. Did galleon earlier and another arms warrior was like 1.8m slam damage when I was at around 800k afte like 30s

[crystal robin]

I cant really tell u what u are doing wrong without a log

I could look at a details breakdown of a single target boss and speculate but I cant be certain

but it boils down to you either 1) arent generating enough rage 2) are spending too much rage

if your struggles are in open world try battle instead of zerker stance

are u spamming heroic strike?

aare you foregoing pressing MS on cd?

[empty radish]

MS is used every CD

I will try and get a dummy log at some point

I may be overspending, could accidentally be using HS out of muscle memory from prot main

[crystal robin]

If you’re using MS and charge on CD, not sitting in wrong stance consistently, not wasting overpower charges(which I realize is a recommendation I recently made to you) then it HAS to be you are spending too much, and yeah likely HS

[feral sparrow]

Do ppl use anything specific to sim ?

Old mop simcraft Versions or smth

[glossy quartz]

I honestly took HS off my arms bar, theres seldom a scenario I use it. That will probably change once we passivley get more mastery and haste though

So completley unimpressive logs but i was also 450 fresh 90

https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/faerlina/kàgoarm

now im 471

i had greens on during that raid lol

[crystal robin]

wowims mop, download wowsims exporter

[crystal robin]

you press HS a pretty good amount with the newer overpower optimizations

in the "budget" pre raid bis sim there are 30 casts of HS totaling 4% of the damage in the total breakdown

[crystal robin]

https://www.wowsims.com/mop/warrior/arms/

theyre currently working on a way to auto populate and calculate which gems are best so for now just bear with how shit simming gems are

[tardy nest]

Does anyone have a ToT bis list?

[crystal robin]

I dont think any of the theorycrafters have made a TOT bis list yet since that aint coming out for another few months

did u mean TOES by chance?

[glossy quartz]

What did the overpower optimization do to HS usage? I haven’t played in over a month

[crystal robin]

You cast more overpower and less slam therefore you have more rage therefore you need to prevent capping your rage more with HS

[glossy quartz]

Interesting. Maybe it’s because I’m not close to prebis yet I haven’t run into that issue

[crystal robin]

Rage has been normalized so rage for everyone should be the same

OP>slam at 4/5 stacks ALWAYS and try to fit 3 overpower within your CS window

[glossy quartz]

Maybe I need to use berserker stance better because I don’t rage cap with that prio

Or maybe I need to utilize the charge distance better

[crystal robin]

Press charge on cd is likely it

Oh and

You always cast MS on cd

Don’t hold it ever

[glossy quartz]

Yeah that one for sure

[crystal robin]

Even in the sims I’ve seen instances of 3x back to back colossus smash windows and not a single slam cast

[glossy quartz]

That’s hard not to do. I can potentially see it if there’s no cleave or aoe though. Is it a 2 or 3 target threshold that tips the scale to favor slam?

[crystal robin]

It’s really not that insane of an idea, and it happens more than you’d think your last global in CS window would be where you slam since MS on cd and OP at 4/5 AND you want to fit 3 within your CS window

Leaving 1 global for slam- the last one in CS, which you’d replace with CS proc

I’m also not sure which # of targets slam overtakes, it’s in the sim profile I’ve just not simmed for aoe yet

[livid trellis]

As a prot war, how omega bis'd out do I need to be for CMs?

[alpine valve]

is anyone else having issues with transmogging on warrior? its keeps resetting the page im on every like 3 seconds when i try to change pieces

[edgy yarrow]

if there a good rescource for arms dps as wowhead seems pretty off in regards to optimal play and i never played mop

[solemn lagoon]

fury's not worth running at all right now, right? Just massively worse than arms for endgame?

[pallid crane]

Fury gets better when Seige of Orgrimmar is released. Not sure by how much but I imagine arms is still a viable option

[empty radish]

It did just have buffs though? 😮

[solemn lagoon]

oh shit did it?

[empty radish]

Based on wowtbc pre-raid bis, fury simmed 2k over arms, may not be 100% accurate on character setup, but near enough

That was TG, I will sim SMF in a sec

https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/eu/mists-of-pandaria-classic-development-notes-version-5-5-0-582180

Okay after tweaks and a couple more tests, Arms is ahead on sims by about 7.5k on single target
Arms 99.1k: Dragon Roar + Bloodbath
Fury TG 91.7k: Bladestorm + Storm Bolt

[solemn lagoon]

ah gotcha, good enough for me though

[empty radish]

Yeah, can't compare the average joe to sims, it's close enough, I'm willing to test it myself and see how it goes. I main prot anyway, so OS is more so for fun and open world stuff

[crystal robin]

its pretty close to it in p1 bis for single target, but once u add in any extra targets arms soars above it

[solemn lagoon]

gotcha, after looking into it a bit more that's kinda what I was thinking

[glossy quartz]

and @crystal robin is there a way to effectively sim bladestorm utilizing a cancel aura macro on mortal strike? I heard rumors it might surpass DR+BB combo if played correctly but it's above my comprehension of simming

It's been my go to unless I know im 100% single target, plays super smooth.

[crystal robin]

its already implemented in the sim, you will BS in your opener, and on the 4th tick when MS comes off cd u cancel it and MS

bladestorm will surpass once u get higher ilvl weps

[glossy quartz]

makes sense since i was in the 500's on beta once i started playing it

[wicked panther]

i have a question about burst i play orc with blood fury and have lessons of the dark master should i wait to use them with recklessness and banner or shoudl i use the on cd?

[crystal robin]

on a 5 minute fight, as fury the sim uses it on cooldown. as ARMS, it waits to use it with reck.

tldr the same way youd use blood fury you use the trinket

but on use is kinda dookie try to get some passive trinket, alchemist stone, stormstout trinket, darkmoon deck

[light beacon]

i read icy veins rotation guide, wowhead rotation guide and watched 2 guides on youtube and everyone has a different rotation outside of crushing blow. can i hit to many overpower? im so confused what my rotation looks like outside of crushing blow, i mean i want to use overpower until i have enough rage for slam but overpower costs rage so how do i gain range with it? is there an absolute rotation guide everyone agrees on i can watch somewhere?

not crushing blow*

CS * :D

[crystal robin]

@light beacon read this, you dont want to spam slam in CS window. overpower very strong button

there is also a very small increase in dps if you worry about fitting 3x overpower in every CS window too

thats isn't outlined in that sheet

the wowhead guide has also been updated to reflect the above written segment

[light beacon]

thank you i will read that

[light beacon]

sooo if i have during CS 4 stacks overpower i will use it so im back at 3 stacks and do slams for the rest of the duration right?

[primal cipher]

no

"stacks" in this context means stacks of Taste for Blood

use it all up with OP until you no longer have them

[light beacon]

so i have 3 stacks tast eof blood during cs

i rather use those 3 overpower

before slamming?

[primal cipher]

yes

[light beacon]

ahh i see

[primal cipher]

then back to MS once it's available, you want to be proccing enrage as much as possible

[light beacon]

and i only spam slam during cs when i dont have those 3 taste for blood stacks right?

and one more important thing, sorry if i write so much but im confused. when i have CS ready to use but i am not enraged and my berserker rage is still like 15 seconds cooldown. should i press CS and do the rotation or do i wait for guaranteed enrage with berserker rage?

[primal cipher]

always use CS when it's already not on your target

the chance to proc enrage from it is a perk

you have to chances to proc it

one from CS and another from MS

it's ideal you have enrage but you're not always going to get it, especially not at these crit levels

never ever delay MS

because you don't have enrage up

[light beacon]

but what aabout my berserker rage skill it gives me 10 rage and enrages me

should i wait for it like 10 seconds or should i just CS

i dont know the english name, the skill that breaks fears and gives me rage and enrages me

[primal cipher]

yes it's called berserker rage

[light beacon]

so i dont wait for it when cs is up

[primal cipher]

if CS isn't already on your target, use it. If you enrage, great. If not, hope MS gives you it

if not, then use Berserker Rage

[light beacon]

and can u tell me what you do between the CS casts?

do you just use overpower and MS

until CS is back up?

[primal cipher]

MS, and overpower to spend your TFB stacks

inside CS window

and once your stacks are gone and MS still isn't back, Slam

The only time you're really prioritizing Slam is when CS, Enrage, and Recklessness is up

[light beacon]

thanks for the help

[crystal robin]

You do NOT spam down to 0 OP stacks during CS, I dunno where you got this idea but it’s not written in either of those. The original interpretation of press it down to 3 then slam is correct.

As a caveat, you press MS on CD which would take you back above 3 stacks so you’d OP again

There has been a slight change, where ideally you fit 3 overpowers in your CS window. Never has it been stated to spend your TFB down to 0 before slamming

and btw the change to fit 3 OP's inside of CS instead of OP at 3 or below = slam/MS is 0.5% dps so its very minute

[crystal robin]

This is essentially correct interpretation. Just make sure u MS on CD and u got it fam

[light beacon]

@crystal robin okay thanks, so i know what to do inside CS. i will train that at the dummy a bit vor muscle memory buuuut the downtime between waiting for CS what do you do? just ms and spam your tfb stacks until CS is up or is there a rotation you do?

i try to charge every time i can

[crystal robin]

youd follow the priority list- So,

-Charge on CD
-MS on CD
-overpower to fill in between MS (3 OP per MS cast)
-Heroic strike when u are at or above 100 rage

alternatively if you dont have OP stacks and are at high rage, youd slam

[light beacon]

but i get 2 stacks tbf how do i do 3 every ms cast?

[crystal robin]

youll have them built up, and youd press slam if you have 0 or high rage

[light beacon]

i never knew mop classic can be this complicated

i play retail and main fury there and it makes more sense for me

[light beacon]

today is my first MV raid

[crystal robin]

once you play it youll see its really not, retail fury with all of its bullshit conditionals for execute and BT make more sense

tbh just go smack a dummy for 15 mins and youll have it down muscle memory

its a long read but very simple in practice just how fury in retail is

[light beacon]

when do you use shattering throw, at the pull or you wait for bloodlust in raid?

[crystal robin]

that depends on your raid

similar to skull banner, there should be a rotation

if you are the only warrior just send that shit first global

[light beacon]

i macroed my skull banner, recklessness and my scholomance trinket together

i just want to use bloodbath and berserker rage and when BL is about to be used i will use the macro

[crystal robin]

does your guild use the skull banner/stormlash/etc rotation weakaura?

if so, thatll tell you when to use it

[light beacon]

no idea its my first time in this guild and their first raid in classic i guess

we all watched guides and raid lead will tell some stuff i guess

[crystal robin]

hmm I assume your guild has multiple warriors though? I dunno if you even know this info or not since youve yet to game w/ them

[light beacon]

we are 2 warris today

1 fury and me if i saw correctly

[crystal robin]

https://wago.io/Fojji-StormlashBanner-Rotations

they may require this, which the raid leader will assign a rotation of banner, and youll use it accordignly

[light beacon]

i see

i will check it out

[last kite]

what is the best stance to run for arms?

[crystal robin]

u sit in battle unless you know you will be taking damage then u temporarily swap to zerker

if you think that damage will be enough to kill you swap defensive

if u want to not think about anything ever sit battle perma(not recommended)

[last kite]

so just questing sit in battle?>

[crystal robin]

yup

[last kite]

@crystal robin wouldnt beserk be better

cus your getting hit by mobs

[crystal robin]

try it and see, I perma sat battle while leveling

[haughty lynx]

is there a number of targets needed for bladestorm to be worth pressing, e.g. is it worth it vs 2 targets?

[crystal robin]

the sim uses it on cooldown against 1 target so 1

you use it during CS, and you cancelaura it after the 4th tick to press mortal strike

however once in execute you use it outside of CS and again cancel once MS comes back up

[last kite]

@crystal robin batle better according to wowhead

[cyan tulip]

What’s the point in sitting in zerk stance

[crystal robin]

When you take damage in zerker stance you gain rage, so not a good idea to sit in it perma

[cyan tulip]

I see, now what about during raid pulls I just sat in battle stance mainly only using slam I read the rotations up above and saw I should be using over power a bit

But my dmg was weak forsure

[crystal robin]

are u asking me about whether or not its worth to swap to zerker stance during a raid encounter?

also id need to see a log of your raid to know what you are doing wrong

but I wont be able to look until like midnight or so

[cyan tulip]

https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/reports/MH3Q8ZTF9Ckc1DVq

[crude inlet]

Posted logs and such in help and review. Please can I get some advice on hitting my rotation and such better. I really seem to struggle and am getting some really bad logs.

https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1402107475196645448

[crystal robin]

I can see immediately u arent pressing anywhere near enough overpower- when at 4-5 stacks of TFB even during colossus smash press OP.
Also you need to press mortal strike on cooldown.
you are casting far far too many slam and wasting your rage
In execute you are immediately spamming out all of your rage, you only press execute OUTSIDE OF CS in the following scenarios:
-You are about to lose sudden death that makes OP free for 10 seconds after hitting execute
-you are high rage during exe phase (100+)

Up above there is a posted snip of the wowhead guide, you need to completely rethink the order in which you press your buttons. #mop-discussion message

[cyan tulip]

Seems to be my same problem

[crystal robin]

almost teh same exact advice I gave the gentleman above, you seem to be playing execute correctly

allow me some more time I did that on my 2 min break

I can go into more detail and delve further at midnight

[cyan tulip]

Ok cool

[crystal robin]

both of you are also fucking up your openers

@crude inlet this is your opener on feng

@cyan tulip this is yours

in practive the written above looks similar to my opener on feng here

[cyan tulip]

so heroic strike is worth using

[crystal robin]

yes

[cyan tulip]

now am i only clicking it when i will over cap on rage or nah

[crystal robin]

Yes

[old drum]

Any Chance for an updated Rotation helper weakaura?

[crude inlet]

Really appreciate this sort of feedback - I’ll start smacking dummies to practise.

[old drum]

how do i cancel bladestorm?

[crystal robin]

make a macro

/cancelaura Bladestorm

[old drum]

❤️

[crystal robin]

personally I put it on ctrl modifier of my bladestorm keybind

[crystal robin]

@old drum no I dont have macros

[old drum]

ok thanks!

[spare anvil]

its very possible i set up my sim APL incorrectly, and regardless the difference was only about 1%, but without 2p t14 set bonus the sim told me it was a dps loss, and even when i did sim it with 2p it was only about a 0.25% difference

[south merlin]

what would you guys use between lei shens final order and carbonic carbuncle for CMs?

[crystal robin]

I dunno how u set it up, but the way I interperet what the guy says is spam OP down to 0 before u do anything else, if you still have the condition MS on CD then your sim tracks

#mop-discussion message

first half of this msg

its slightly better to fit 3 OPS into a CS window so you can get 5 abilities in your CS instead of 4

then your sim is just showing the opportunity cost of that 5th global being OP v slam

[spare anvil]

bit of a misunderstanding then I think, I meant this

https://i.imgur.com/InzbmDu.png

I simmed this "rule" and it was incorrect

seemingly slam>overpower during CS unless you can fit 3 overpowers + have 2p t14

[crystal robin]

do you still have HS in your apl

[spare anvil]

yes

its basically an APL following that exact list

I haven't tried simming 3 overpowers in CS yet though vs slam, but it seems like it would be better to me as well, especially with 2p t14

but regardless the difference is very negligible

in which case personally i prefer to just simplify it as much as possible

[crystal robin]

final paragraph

yes its negligible

Personally I find not capping overpower much easier, and much easier to sustain my rage is why I recommend it

its braindead whereas spamming slam u kinda need to think about rage

[spare anvil]

fair enough

[cyan tulip]

i was gonna say im struggling keeping rage when im just spamming slam

[crude inlet]

So I am reading this right? There will be considerably more OP casts then slam in a fight? I'm not prioritising slam spamming if over 80 rage for a CS window, we're looking to set up CS windows with at least 1 TFB and then MS, OP, OP, OP and than either CS, MS, Slam in that order depending on proc's?

[crystal robin]

During CS in order of priority:

MS
Overpower with > 3 stacks
Slam
Overpower with < 3 stacks

[cyan tulip]

https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/reports/vgB6aDZd1HkKFy4p @crystal robin im def seeing some improvment in dmg any tips would be nice this was my guild run on heroic prog

[bitter blaze]

does someone know if sweeping strikes trigger the shields on spirit kings?

[dusty grail]

How are people getting so much damage from deep wounds on first boss? they using ms on all four mobs?

[cyan tulip]

Thunder clap to apply it

And sweating strikes with ms

[cyan tulip]

^

anyone know?

[restive ridge]

is ReforgeLite bugged ? Im over hitcapped and its still telling me to reforge hit

[crystal robin]

nope works fine for me, perhaps u fucked the settings somewhere

[crystal robin]

youre still pressing slam outside of CS a lot, OP even below 4 stacks is still > slam outside of CS. youd only slam outside of CS if you have crazy high rage(100+), or you have 0 OP stacks, dump all OP before u slam ideally
also you arent pressing MS on CD, keep mortal strike on cooldown at all times, 3 abilities in between each MS. This will become even more important when you obtain tier set.
Finally, you are also still spamming away your rage during execute. You only spam execute during colossus smash. Outside of it you only use execute to maintain the buff which makes overpower free, and at high rage (100+)

[crystal robin]

I dunno, but only one way to find out 🙂 (im not going to test this)

[rocky wing]

hi team, where can i find weakauras for mop ?

[crystal robin]

https://wago.io/mop-weakauras

[maiden spade]

hey guys, I play human prot warrior and since MSV doesnt have an sword/mace, is it better to get the conquest sword for the 1% expertise instead of 489 axe from nm?

[maiden spade]

any prot warriors here?

[cyan tulip]

Fire thank you

[unborn sleet]

So I got a question where i cant really find an answer to it, I got Starshatter from raid last weak and a 463 weapon in the other hand, my question is where should i put starshatter? Mainhand or offhand since it seems to me offhand might be more viable due to Wild Strike damage and then just using, since it scales better than heroic strike anyway.

[crystal robin]

higher ilvl in the mainhand

always

[glossy quartz]

Blood and thunder via thunder clap. Stack and burn method. I unfortunately had to paint. Why a warrior had to paint is beyond me. That’s the price for being competent I suppose.

Quite simply stack all 4, don’t stand in copious amounts of bad shit, blow a ton of raid cds when they blow up, and Zerg them all down. It’s fun if you’re not playing Bob Ross.

[dusty grail]

Thank you for the info bro!

[glossy quartz]

One of the top parsing prot warriors ran heroic bone link on that fight. Makes me wonder if I should as arms or if it scales with vengeance and is the only thing that made it worth it.

[cinder elm]

just turn around and wait - don't overthink it.

[dawn pivot]

this may seem like a dum question, because it is, but is their a list of which bosses you should use your gambling coins on in vaults, we're doing heroics

[pallid crane]

Definitely the main one is elgalon for the sword (if dps ofc). I imagine the rest is based off what gear needs replacing the most. There's no tier in this raid so it's fair game tbh

[burnt sage]

Can anyone share a Gladiator los 1 profile for mop?

[haughty lynx]

are there any addons/weakauras that help optimise the arms rotation?

I started making something in WA (e.g. tell me to slam when CS up, MS down, or rage greater than 100 etc) but figure someone might have made something better than I could do already

[cyan tulip]

^ id like to know aswell

[unique moss]

having some crappy parses and not sure what I'm doing incorrectly so hoping yall might be able to shine some light. link: https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/faerlina/hasenpfeffer I appreciate ya

[crystal robin]

@unique moss this advice copies over almost 1 to 1, you can scroll up theres a posted image of OP vs slam in CS.
Also dont press whirlwind in cleave that button is turbo shit just do single target rotation with sweeping

[unique moss]

Roger. I appreciate the help ty 🙂

[cunning anchor]

Don't know if i am late to the party, but why are the logs so split with how you play arms? A lot of people does slam as their top damage, alot have overpower as their top damage, and some have a mix of both. Why the confusion and what is best?

[crystal robin]

both playstyles are within 1% and slam has higher swing in variance

so parsers are prolly going to be pressing a ton of slam to hopefully perma crit

and some will probably be prioritizing overpower and making the rotation easier

[cunning anchor]

So if the rng is maxed out, a slam-enjoyer will outperform an overpower-enjoyer. but on average overpower-enjoyers will outperform?

so to summarize, an overpower player will never end up as a rank1?

[crystal robin]

higher swing in variance doesnt mean 0 swing in variance. I dunno how you reached this conclusion
you can go look at top 10 for every boss and see they are split.
Overpower prioritizing is 1% ahead #mop-discussion message
Go read this stop overthinking it and just press buttons

[cunning anchor]

Okay, thank you for your help!

[crystal robin]

no problem friend
#mop-discussion message u can also read this if u need more specifics on how to play the overpower rotation

and fwiw I think overpower > slam is a million times easier to play and execute properly

[broken ridge]

guys, i'm starting to lose my mind

i've been topping the dps meters doing dungeons the whole expansion

(i'm a new player for context)

and i've just started raiding and my damage is embarassing

and looking at the percentages it feels like im doing something wrong

would anyone mind lookin at the logs of the raid

https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/reports/htTPkavxGzjJ9pMd?fight=42

(Iook at last heroic pull and the stone guard kill)

im merab

[broken ridge]

and see if im just missing something obvious

https://tenor.com/view/sticker-yung-joc-crying-meme-man-crying-meme-thebeyonderrrr-gif-828328460466032722

[upbeat adder]

Why prot war pumping so hard rn 😂? Returning player and it looks like if I wanna play top dps I am rolling a tank 🥴

[crystal robin]

Vengeance

[crystal robin]

there are a few considerations. you are currently prioritizing slam in CS which is fine. There is an updated rotation prioritizing overpower over slam in certain scenarios which sims about 1% better. #mop-discussion message if you want more information

Stop rpessing slam outside of CS, just alternate between OP and MS when you can.
Why are u waiting until adds spawn to press reck/banner? send that shit on CD.
I see at one point during the fight u CS - MS- CS dont do this. wait until 1.5s left on CS debuff to refresh.
u are also spamming cleave when adds are up, only use it to prevent overcapping. Your aoe is fine enough by pressing tclap and just doing ST rotation with emphasis on slam with sweeping.
I dont think you got to execute, but ill put this here in case its an issue just like slam is
in execute you only spam your rage down INSIDE OF CS. Outside youll only press execute when you need to refresh sudden death which makes OP free or when you are 100+ rage.
MAKE SURE TO PRESS MS ON CD AT ALL TIMES regardless of execute, cs, aoe or anything.

alternative to the overpower conditions listed in the writeup I linked

you can just press ms on cd > overpower and 4 or 5 stacks > slam during CS

this is what I do and it simplifies the fuck out of the rotation

youll be pressing much more heroic strike.

[broken ridge]

wow that's a fantastic review, thanks a lot

i'll try get around to the feedback before i do my other raid sunday

[crystal robin]

this is only for ur single target stuff, I cant be fucked to go over aoe ngl

[broken ridge]

and i'll let you know how it went

i appreciate it

[crystal robin]

gl

[broken ridge]

all good all good:)

[crystal robin]

in aoe just uh

keep up sweeping at all times

be sure to thunderclap

do singletarget rotation

pretty simple

[broken ridge]

bet

again really appreciate it

[crystal robin]

no problem gamer

gl w/ ur raid

also this line:

Why are u waiting until adds spawn to press reck/banner? send that shit on CD.

if you arent going to lsoe a usage of them, then youll want to hold until execute

slight correction

in verbiage

[broken ridge]

i think i was holding on to it as i was unsure when the adds spawn on the boss and i wanted to make sure i had the cds for them as i was responsible with killing them

but now i'll be ready, i can deffo pop em on cd

[crystal robin]

tclap+ sweeping strikes + bladestorm will handle it

and if they dont die from that tell ur raid to hit them more

[broken ridge]

hahah

[crystal robin]

bc u holding banner for when u personally need it also cucks the raids opener

[broken ridge]

fair

[raw temple]

@crystal robin Great guide, thanks. Can you make sure your guide messages to be pinned so we dont lose them and scrolled up too long.

[crystal robin]

This is not mine. If you want more information join the discord in the pins it’s pinned there

[raw temple]

Ah ok. Where do I find the pins? I dont see any more than the pin for tbc and wowsims.

[crystal robin]

in the discord in the pin

its a blanket classic warrior server

it says tbc bc the post was made 4 years ago and thats what was relevant

[fossil holly]

came specially for this thanks the clarification !

I have a small question about CS reset, should you prio use the reset even if the debuff is up or wait until it's consumed ?

[crystal robin]

1.5s left on debuff before you reapply

[fossil holly]

👍🏻 thanks

[broken ridge]

https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Fw2ag9KYmBXQA3yr

After taking ur advice i ended up with blue parses and even a purple:D

How is it looking now?

[stark ivy]

Hello guys, is there any table showing the DPS increase from tier bonuses for each spec?

[rain spoke]

Hey guys,

For you cd maccro pump button. Do you include recklessness ?

I set skull banner alone on shift modifier and everything else (recklessness, bloodbath, trinkets, gloves, orc racial) on the same button. But since reck is 3 minutes CD, I feel it's wrong because I want to spam the 1mn CD and keep the 3 mn CD for big pump window under skull banner+BL ?

[cyan tulip]

https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/reports/a4Kr9LAycdbmBgJC?fight=7 if anyone can help me on log reviews i am struggling i clearly need some help on this and want to continue progging but im holding the guild back forsure

^ this fight i clearly didnt use blade storm i had a cancel aura maccro i would hit it twice decided to take it off my bars

[crystal robin]

this is your priority list for AOE, go practice on a dummy

[haughty lynx]

I just have 2 macros, one that is 1min CDs only and one that is 1min and 3min combined

[haughty lynx]

If your tanks are doing mechanics, rather than stack and zug strat,
Your parse will always suck

Sweeping strikes up time only 60%? Got a weak aura for it?

Also if you’re only hitting 2 dogs I think no need for thunderclap, sweeping strikes MS will spread deep wounds to 2 targets

[cyan tulip]

Okay yeah that first encounter was wack for me this week. Well I hope yall are right I’ll practice warrior I was very close to giving up the char

[copper pine]

@cyan tulip you can put your cancel aura macro in your mount macro. that way you cant cancel the bladestorm on accident unless you press mount. works well for other immunties as well

[cyan tulip]

Yeah that’s exactly what I did the rest of the run

[tardy olive]

Intervene cancels demolish

[analog dust]

Guys how do I unfuck my gear? Compare me with Numu, he's lower ilvl but I have like 6k less strength, its fucking embarassing. I'll be changing out the gems first thing when I log in

https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/reports/BQXzK7gx2NVDMJF6?fight=1&type=summary&source=11

[crystal robin]

are u certain this isnt just a bug in the log, and is not reflective of his actual stats?

definitely sim your gems through the sim tool as well, theres no guarantee that regemming to crit is better than what you currently have

[cyan tulip]

https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8DbBxHVTvk1zn3C7?fight=8&type=damage-done&source=44.

how are these too warriors pulling so much dmg, this was normal on 2nd boss i pulled a 87 parse but im way over geared can anyone take a look and see if anything is standing out and what I could work on i know ive asked before I just cant do as much dmg no matter what i do ive tried so many different things that people have recommended.

[haughty lynx]

Why are you complaining about a purple parse? Beyond what you did, some % of damage will be RNG, or tiny fractional decision making, or the quality of your guild mates. If a better guild than yours is killing that boss 20 seconds faster, their dps are spending 5% more of the total fight in lust

Plus the main raid day for most people is Sunday, so the classic Andys and the casuals probably haven’t even set foot in HOF yet and parses are tilted towards real try hards

[glossy quartz]

My Warcraft logs says I’m still in leveling greens when I’m actually 488. Ilvl displays right on my parses but when I look at my characters gear on the website it’s all wrong.

[glossy quartz]

Shameese is right. Kill times are critical when it comes to parsing if there’s not any cheese mechanics going on.

My guild roots and ignores all the rages on Will of the Emperor and they all broke free last second. I didn’t have bladestorm up and our other warrior did, so he got rank 1 by quite a large margin Tuesday 😆

If you’re purple parsing during prog you’re playing well. Don’t sweat it much.

[cyan tulip]

I think it was more dmg then anything my guild benched me on heroic pro for our ten man msv

On single target I’m pulling maybe 100k if that the week I got benched I was doing maybe 75k think I got it fixed I’ll see after I do a msv run tmr. Just tilting feels like I’m not getting better and just suck at arms

And it was on normal the heroic groups are pulling way more

[glossy quartz]

I dislike arms compared to fury in mop but it’s relatively easy.

Without going into all of the super in depth stuff Golganarr gets into which should be pinned or a least available if you scroll up, it’s basically all just about pooling rage in prep for a CS phase. There’s a few nuisances that can get you an extra percent here or there but as long as you’re using MS on cooldown and not sitting at rage cap / dumping copious amounts of rage into a target without CS debuff up, it’s relatively simple.

[cyan tulip]

Yeah I think I missing my timing on cds and uptime. Aswell as the time on boss kills.

[glossy quartz]

5:55 is a long kill. Only 55 parsed for time. I browsed your log and you aren’t doing anything inherently wrong at a glance. If the bottom half of your group was even blue parsing the top half would look 2x better.

[crystal robin]

go to your characters page and click update in the top right

[haughty lynx]

Someone help me out with Garalon animations, when the leg is all over the place is the hit box moving with it?

[fathom halo]

yes it is, you can use a WA to display range to target, helps indicate that you have to move.

do anyone have some statwieghts to input in reforgelite, or have some comments about crit vs str. I've checked some top logs for arms, some seem to be running all reforges and gems for crit, and some others more balanced/more strength. What do you prefer atm?

[haughty lynx]

You can get exact stat weights for your gear via the sim if you want

I thought the rule of thumb was str this phase, but SIM was suggesting for me crit gemming when I checked last night

[outer valley]

was fury dog shit all of mop? or was it better later on

[fathom halo]

is there even a good sim out there with the correct APL ?

[haughty lynx]

wowsims is updated for MOP, pretty sure its good?

[haughty lynx]

apparently good by the last raid tier, not sure

[fossil holly]

There's so much haste everywhere in the raid it's so hard to keep a good balance between stats 😬

[outer valley]

Not really

[cosmic portal]

does anyone have acces to the foji class ui for mop? i just have luxthos and it is not very satisfying

https://wago.io/FojjiWarriorUI-MoP

[haughty lynx]

why is Luxthos not very satisfying?

its a load of squares that show me cooldowns all together so I can see them at one glance, it works for me

[lean hornet]

are there haste breakpoints for deepwounds

[crystal robin]

Haste is a shit stat do not take it on arms

[lean hornet]

that wasn't the question

[haughty lynx]

its a dot, so probably? the question is pointless because what are you going to do with the answer?

[crystal robin]

what breakpoint are u even looking for? bleeds already ignore armor so an extra tick in cs doesnt mean shit, one more tick in reck? in banner?

[glossy quartz]

First rendition, it became competitive in ToT with good itemization. SMF actually played hand in hand with TG, and if you got a lucky (or unlucky) thunder forged you kinda stuck with whatever you hit.

There’s a few changes that won’t make it play out exactly as it did the first time but in full bis it’s only about 5k dps behind arms right now. However arms cleave / aoe is superior so there’s a definite hole it has to climb out of before it becomes more relevant. Here’s the p1 bis arms sim next to fury.

[glossy quartz]

I lost my @ @outer valley

[outer valley]

thanks

[glossy quartz]

I played fury as my main spec but still switched arms on a few key cleave / aoe fights.

[crystal robin]

once we gain access to more crit fury will zoom ahead

[outer valley]

this is good news. as i love fury, but hate arms

[cloud musk]

no simcraft yet?

[crystal robin]

https://wowsims.github.io/

[warm basin]

Anyone done the sims to see if it's worth dropping ilvl to get celestial tier? Assuming we get 4 piece on thur

Arms/Fury

[haughty lynx]

I don't think you can get 4p on Thur from celestials, and I don't think 4p is a good bonus

If you mean you get a head/shoulders from TOES and want to know if you should downgrade legs/gloves to celestial tier for 4P, you’d have to sim it

But like I said it’s not really a good cooldown, that extra rec you get 90 seconds into fight is unsynced from bloodbath, eng gloves etc

[stark ivy]

Good morning, everyone. I'm a new Arms Warrior player and I don't know what I'm doing wrong. I compare myself with logs from other warriors, and with the gear I have, I should be doing much more damage. This is a log from Gara'jal where I can't beat a Retribution Paladin 🙁

https://es.classic.warcraftlogs.com/reports/vBz3McKajm7kX1Nt?fight=13&type=damage-done&start=2637387&end=2842356

[haughty lynx]

It’s confusing looking at logs not in English, but I can’t see you using sweeping strikes?

You want to be SS on the legs, so the extra hit is on the body, it’s a huge amount of extra damage you are missing

Wait I’m an idiot, I read garalon not garajal 😂

You look like you are using too much slam and not enough overpower, but your parse etc is all fine I don’t really think you have much to worry about

[crystal robin]

I think the only mistake I can really see is not casting ms on cd, with 2p u want to cast ms on cd

[quartz eagle]

is wow working on firemaw? haven´t been able to login since 04:50am

stupid issue, someone know what they are doing and if they have an estimated finish time?

[whole wedge]

I have a warrior level 55 can I dungeon tank as arms leveling?

Just hit defensive instead of battle or berz

[minor viper]

fury will see a little bit of sun close to phase 2 bis

unfortunately ull go back to arms for phase3 prog, but later on youll be full time fury

[haughty lynx]

you basing this on back in the day, or with the updates this time around?

[minor viper]

back in the day

but even with the changes i dont see it being that much better before that, because of how raging blow works

fury is lowkey unplayable without the correct crit stats

[outer valley]

anything is playable if youre good enough 😄

ask all the boomkins 😂

[sharp marsh]

Still maining fury

[unreal sleet]

MOP sucks

Ty

[crystal robin]

U are here shitposting to about 3 people who play mop in this discord

U want the real shitposting meta?

Log into mop and say that in lfg or talk about how great retail is

[unreal sleet]

Roger

[hallow sun]

I concur, this really gets them fuming

[outer valley]

tell them retail is harder than classic. that REALLY gets em going

[finite verge]

yo! Does anyone use a macro for mortal and overpower on one button? I can't combine them

[haughty lynx]

pretty sure macroing together is very sub-optimal

but /castsequence reset=6 Mortal Strike, Overpower, Overpower <- would probbaly work?

if you're going to do this, why not just make a /castrandom macro though and put all your abilities in it

then you only ever have to press 1 button

[bronze elk]

Can someone explain to me why the Top Wars use heroic strikes?

[crystal robin]

you press it when youre about to overcap

so you're either

1. pressing heroic strike
2. capping on rage and wasting some and losing the damage that would be gained

heroic strike is very inneficient DPR but its better than losing it entirely and getting nothing

[rocky cypress]

But you could use smash instead, no? Or is heroic strike better dps-wise?

[haughty lynx]

heroic strike is the only thing not on the GCD, so you don't lose another ability pressing it

[glossy quartz]

Because it’s on its own GCD and better than losing rage due to being rage capped.

[graceful moat]

yyou know when you clap your hands together a lot it feels funny

lol

[haughty lynx]

^someone is high as fuck

[urban rain]

Hello everyone,
Could someone explain to me why some top warriors parse very high without following the rotation given on Wowhead?
For example, in this log from Shoop (Numen) on Tsulong, we can see that he prioritizes Overpower over Slam.
https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ZtzhC2Vc67PfAXnH?fight=4&type=casts&source=24

The perfect rotation isn’t clear.

[rigid yoke]

He also spams the hell outta HS, but i think you should look into a boss without constant aura damage

[haughty lynx]

Yeah picking a fight where someone is 98% of the time in berserker stance and trying to compare to wowhead rotation does not make sense

[glossy quartz]

That’s an interesting log and I learned a lot from it just now. But yea the heroic strike usage is coming from berserker stance here.

[restive gorge]

Fury will have to be nerfed before end of mop to not end up gapping everything else

The scaling has really begun here but still a good bit behind arms!

[glossy quartz]

I’m not sure if I believe that they are already this close.

[haughty lynx]

I don't really get the buffs to the classes like fury and affliction to try and make them viable now, when those buffs will need reverting later

[fringe hull]

Hello guys, I am playing Arms Warr for the first time. My damage logs seem to be low. What do you think I am doing wrong? If I share my logs, can anyone take a look and help me? If there are any obvious mistakes that are visible to the eye? I play according to the classic rotations specified
https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/reports/A8vZdCFyqnDkpfY7
my nick as Coksicak

[haughty lynx]

I am not an expert log reviewer, am sure Golg will be along to give some proper advice but in the meantime:

• looks like you could do a better job pressing mortal strike on cooldown
• why are you thunderclapping on single target fights? stop that
• are you spamming execute when its available? If so, you should not be, only use for the sudden execute buff and during colossus smash windows
• You seem to be missing some fight specific dps opportunities, e.g. not executing Garalon legs, not casting max number of bladestorms on windlord adds etc

oh, you're not pre potting and you're only using skull banner once a fight, thats kinda trolling your raid

[fringe hull]

Hey, thanks a lot.. Pot is iny my macro i fix it today, and i did practice on dummy for execute phase.
and i read last post for advice and im still practicing for Rage waste skills. im using thunder clap for multiple adds and at dodge phase long yards.
i check my prepotting and all buff in my a single macro.
and im learning and watching some people like Shoop , how to play at which boss, also im new on panda

[haughty lynx]

you can leave pot macro'd if you want, just also have a key bind for just pot so you can press that 1 second before combat starts, then you get 1 on pull and 1 the next time you use cooldowns

not sure what you mean about "dodge phase" for use of thunderclap, you used it a lot on Bladelord, for example

but you don't have to explain yourself to me, I am just telling you what I am seeing in the logs 😄

[fringe hull]

bladelord sometimes teleporting behind, or we are moving for winds if boss at my back im using it sometimes

[fringe hull]

Still it was very useful for me

[haughty lynx]

I can't find any decent warrior pressing a single thunderclap on that fight, which suggests its not worth trying whatever you are doing

[fringe hull]

im trying to fix my Cooldown management also Execute phase and Enrage tryin to keep up with berserker rage and MS CS

[fringe hull]

Additionally, is there a problem with the gear? Are there any things we think would be better? Crit rate, Str rate, selected gems, etc.

[restive gorge]

New brewfest trinket sims 1k more than Xuen, very nice!

[pallid crane]

We are finally free from the binds of Xuen?

[haughty lynx]

would we not be using Xuen plus Brewfest?

[pallid crane]

Xuen is still a really strong trinket so I suppose it depends on what ilevel lei shen trinket we have.

[willow walrus]

How much gear do you need to have it sim higher? It didn’t sim higher for me

Which fights are worth sundering assuming 3 stack faerie fire from one g Druid

[haughty lynx]

This might be non optimal but I use colossus smash glyph when no warr tank in raid

But I would have thought pretty much every fight it’s worth it unless the amount of target swapping is insane

[willow walrus]

@haughty lynx ooooo good shout I've been underrating that glyph. Sha is prob a great use for it

[fringe musk]

https://gyazo.com/77c7d20ef28cd5493560f5d065ab2df7

This is my wowsim after upgrading all my gear and using the Heroic Darkmist Vortex trinket(517 ilvl) instead of the celestial Lei Shen's Final Orders trinket. The DPS with vortex is 149,626 and the DPS with lei shen final orders is 148,400. Is it better to have 2 trinkets with 55 second cooldowns to sync up multiple times during fights, or just going pure highest item level + flat strength and just getting that bigger number in warcraft logs?

[haughty lynx]

I don’t really understand what you are asking, your findings are that a 26 ilvl higher trinket is better for dps? Is that surprising?

Although 16k just for a trinket is a lot I guess

[crystal robin]

darkmist rpocs haste which is effectively useless for us, the trinkets both sim within variance for u so I would go with whichever u prefer

do u want more of your strength to be baseline and get procs of haste? go vortex
do you want more haste baseline and to proc a large amnt of str? go final order

of course also take into account things which will cause downtime in your consideration

if at any point lei shen procs and u are out of melee/cant hit anything for whatever reason, darkmist is better

[vestal steeple]

When is it time to go Fury lads?

[stable scroll]

Hi! I’m not sure if log reviews are meant only for retail, so apologies if I’m posting this in the wrong channel.

I promised to help a guildie analyze his logs to figure out what he might be doing wrong. Since I play a mage, I don’t really understand warriors all that well, so I’m asking you guys if you could point me in the right direction and highlight any major flaws in his gameplay.
https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/golemagg/rumpis

Thanks a lot in advance!

[open crane]

im no expert but

https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/reports/H8Z3NRkrqXBmJ26d?fight=24&type=damage-done&source=5

your buddy didnt use bloodbath a single time, also he doesnt prepot, or use potions at all

arms is this mini game of critting, becoming enraged and then colossus smashing and trying to fit the most damage into that little window with what rage you have, i think best case scenario is having a full rage bar and slamming mortal strike slam slam, but realistically you dont always have the rage to do that so fitting 3 over powers into that buff window is so much better than 1 slam and a mortal strike and then letting the window close waiting on another slam

[glossy quartz]

I’m 504 with 4set. My offhand is lacking admittedly. I’m simming within 8k of my arms dps and I’m not 100% sure that sims are accounting for todays crazed berserker hotfix.

If I had a normal shinka or heroic starshatter offhand it would definitely help close the gap more. (Heroic Starshatter simms 1.7k better for me than normal Shinka, even as an orc and with the 500 str gem).

I’m to the point that I feel like it’s competitive if not slightly better based on your groups kill times.

But arms is still more consistent with better aoe. Two target cleave (might) be close but I haven’t really done the math on it yet since arms had been so good.

Admittedly I’m a fury nerd and have been waiting for it to scale since Firelands. I even messed with it in DS once I got bis. I’ll probably switch early just because.

[hearty canopy]

fury warr buff?

[brisk fable]

is the addon Max DPS any good for playing Arms warrior?

[crystal robin]

its neutral

"storm bolt correctly penalized by dual wield"

it's compensation for a nerf storm bolt is catching

supposedly a very slight buff for SMF but

[vestal steeple]

Ok sounds like it is time to go Fury. As long as you have HC starshatter or upgraded normal shinka as off-hand i guess

[stable scroll]

Thank you. Can you see if he uses MS, slam and op in the CS frame? Should he wait with MS if cs is about to come of cd?

[kindred ore]

Even with this, Arms will still be better than Fury 🙂

[vestal steeple]

Really? How?

Too little crit for Fury still?

[restive gorge]

Did you check the sim?

https://www.wowsims.com/mop/warrior/fury/#

Seems to be pulling ahead of arms by a good margin in full bis

While waiting for the skullrender trinket i recommend the coren brewfest crit trinket, sims better than 2/2 upgraded xuen

[vestal steeple]

I have 11k crit on my warr. I just don't know if it is worth swapping as soon as I get my hands on another normal shin'ka?

[crystal robin]

personally im going to play it for now to swap shit up 🤷‍♂️

however arms is definitely still going to be better on some fights if u need aoe dam

[worthy crystal]

Is there a weakaura that tracks raging blow charges somewhere?

[vestal steeple]

Take from retail I guess, change spell ID to RB MoP

[crystal robin]

im sure there is one on wago somewhere but u can make one super easy if not

[worthy crystal]

ye i figured out how to make one thanks alot

[crystal robin]

pretty sure all u have to to is make sure the text is showing when u create a new aura and then put rb buff ID in it and gg

[restive gorge]

Yeah i have raging blow and meatcleaver in in the middle of the screen so i can react quick without moving my eyes

highly recommend

[chilly glen]

Can anyone explain me what am I doing wrong with my rotation?
Why my parse is so low?

https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/reports/FBRydP7DxmjpHh9c?type=damage-done&source=11&fight=20

Does anyone know if items from Dominance Offensive faction are upgradable?

[glossy quartz]

I played fury tonight. I have 27% crit raid buffed at 504 ilvl. Brew fest trinket feels super nice. My offhand is trash. Can confirm, still not as good as arms with my gear. However it’s catching up really fast and 100 parsing is cool so 🤷🏻‍♂️

I hit the crit threshold where it feels smooth and playable. Once I get a real offhand and replace like 2 lingering celestial pieces I probably won’t think twice about playing it more frequently

[vestal steeple]

But one-handed fury will not be a thing yet?

[restive gorge]

Not yet I think, the extra crit stats you get from two handers are simply too invaluable at this point early in the expansion. But it will even out later probably with gear