mop-discussion

[lilac tendon]

which gems should i use for dungeon lvling in wrath? str or agi?

[elfin spruce]

Well, probably str

[night cobalt]

How important are slow weapons with the revenge/sweeping build

[elfin spruce]

Not really since rev scales off AP and not weapon damage

[night cobalt]

Okay thanks

[rich hatch]

Ya it's minimal

Bigger cleaves with slower wep but 80+% of your dam is revenge anyway

[inland gust]

hey guys, which is the fastest leveling build for 70 ~80 ?

im 67 rn, running revenge/sweeping build but feels clunky

[elfin spruce]

You need a lot of avoidance for that build to be abusable

[inland gust]

yeh, i have all green gear from tbc boost

it kinda sucks tbh

with shield block up it runs smooth but whenever it is on cd i got smashed

caster mobs also give me nightmares

[forest ibex]

Unfortunately prot war has awful block uptime this xpac. That means on big pulls you’ve gotta rotate shield block, shockwave, single target stun, last stand, shield wall- especially with bad gear you can’t just cleave them all down and they die lol

[inland gust]

sooo, i should pick standard prot build over relentless assault with no gear

[elfin spruce]

Yes

[inland gust]

im probably solo levelin through quests, is arms faster?

[elfin spruce]

Shockwave is pretty chonky

Depends if you can do bigger pulls while questing

[dense shard]

Can warriors solo MT/Bot like DKs to level?

[elfin spruce]

If you're geared absolutely, any of the tanks can

I was soloing Mt trash at 65 as prot

It was less effective at that level than ramps and bf

[atomic yarrow]

Prolly been asked 10x already but if the goal is to dungeon grind is it viable to go with relentless assault revenge or better off with shockwave?

[forest ibex]

Gear/pull size dependent

[atomic yarrow]

I’m in brutal glad/random raid mix

[forest ibex]

I believe doing the solo farm dungeons or quest, you go relentlessl

But for big stuff or being undergeared shockwave can be pretty useful

If you’re just gonna do something like the bdk blood furnace farm, I would suspect relentless to be much better

[atomic yarrow]

Got it will prolly flip the dual spec to shockwave then for guild 5m dungeon runs and switch back to relentless for solo

[forest ibex]

Yea that Will feel good for sure

[frozen dust]

Would anyone be willing to hop in a call with me to teach me how to play Arms warrior? I’m following a guide for the best rotation/ability prioritization, but I am having a huge problem generating and maintaining rage. I would really appreciate it if someone could sort of “analyze” how I play and go through my abilities and tell me what I am doing wrong. I’m level 37 btw and I play on the pvp server called Angerforge. If you don’t play on the same server as me, I could probably just stream the game through Discord and you could watch what I do that way. Again, if someone would be willing to do this I would be very grateful. (I am free in the afternoon tomorrow, but we can schedule a different time if you would like. Whatever works for you.)

[vital tapir]

dont bother that much with rotation and rage at lvl 37.just get to 70 atleast

[elfin spruce]

At that level you're just auto attacking and praying for the mob to dodge

[frozen dust]

Ok thanks for the responses guys.

[rich hatch]

You should have TFB already so you're already at the braindead part

charge rend x op

mob is dead

[frozen dust]

My main problem is not doing near as much damage as everyone else in dungeons. Like when the tank pulls a big group of mobs and I use sweeping strikes, rend, and then overpower I’m at 0 rage.

And then I have to auto attack once, then I can use another overpower, but then I have to put rend on another mob to get taste for blood so I can use overpower again. While I’m doing this I’m at like 0 rage

[rich hatch]

you're spending elsehow then

rend only costs 10 rage, OP 5

you're either canceling your autos a lot or pressing something else

[forest ibex]

Don’t sweeping strikes with only enough rage for sweeping strikes

[frozen dust]

Does using overpower cancel an auto attack?

[forest ibex]

I think only slam resets your autos

[frozen dust]

Ok then I think I know what I’m doing wrong

I use slam a lot

[rich hatch]

one tip is just macro /startattack into all your abilities

[forest ibex]

Lolol

Noob

U should have much more fun now

[frozen dust]

And I use sweeping strikes as soon as I charge in 😓

[forest ibex]

Haha it’ll feel much more smooth

[frozen dust]

Ok thank y’all so much

[forest ibex]

Typically playing warrior at low rage is bad

Always want to have enough baked for mortal strike or whatever when it’s coming up

Once you figure rage pooling out between packs you’ll see what I mean

Probably don’t want to execute trash mobs either

And get the triple cleave glyph once you can lmfao that thing is sick

[frozen dust]

So I should: charge in, use rend, only use overpower and auto attacks until I have pooled some rage, then use sweeping strikes, and then use over power with sweeping strikes to aoe? And only use slam or mortal strike when I have an excess amount of rage?

[forest ibex]

I’m not exactly sure what has changed from tbc in terms of rotation

But typical your priority is:
Aoe: whirlwind > cleave > sweeping strikes/ overpower proc mayb
Single target: mortal strike > whirlwind > execute > overpower > slam > heroic strike

If that feels bad I’ll literally go on my war and test it out

I would say since execute and overpower were changed in wrath, they might be in the wrong spot in the priority but you have a lot of levels to figure it out lol

[rich hatch]

op is almost guaranteed crit

so you charge rend(for tfb), use whatever here ms or slam or whatev, op

and the mob is either dead or in execute range most likely

ms in pve isn't good dpr

on bosses just maintain rend(get a wa for procs), op > exe > slam filler > throw in HS if you have a lot of rage

[elfin spruce]

It delays swing timers in wotlk, rather than reset

Heroic strike and cleave eat your auto attack, so always add like 12 to their cost

[deep jasper]

So we don't care about weapon timers anymore? Also, what about slam cancelling HS/cleave?

[molten kestrel]

https://youtu.be/wRjl-VnQiJU?t=8

do we have a classic discord? thanks

[elfin spruce]

[misty cave]

Am I missing something? Isn’t there a talent/glyph/skill that when you rend a target then thunderclap, it spreads it to all targets effected by thunderclap, or was that a later expansion?

[karmic geode]

I was confused about that as well. It's the deep wounds talent in arms, I believe. Where when you crit, it applies deep wounds. BLood and thunder where you spread rend was a later expansion I think

But you can get deep wounds as prot so thunderclap crits apply that bleed

[elfin spruce]

Mists iirc

[thin aspen]

Have they done something about sweeping strikes + revenge? It feels like you press revenge twice and it's consumed

[elfin spruce]

Revenge works once per dodge parry or block

It's not the 3.0 revenge that was infinite for the 5s window

Or you mean ss being consumed

Der

Ss only splits 5 hits right

So revenge hits 2 targets, might eat 2 charges haven't paid attention myself

Throw a auto attack in between and yeah ss gone

[proper saffron]

any 1 got a good pre raid is list the wowhead 1 seems wack

[karmic geode]

Someone mentioned revenge cleaving was a meme prot spec for warriors. Is taht true? What's the deal?

[misty cave]

Would do wonders for us for threat generation in dungeons. Keep hearing that warriors are the worst tanks in this xpac, but imma do it anyways.

[warped garden]

Question for prot. Ive seen a build thats an arms/prot talent thing and im wondering how good it is for leveling?

People say its really good since its basically revenge spam but, im mainly full brutal so i dont get revenge procs all that often. Is it still worth using regardless?

[dawn pivot]

Noob question, prot for dungeon tanking pretty squishy earlier on? Just got my shit kicked in tanking the nexus.

[warped garden]

Honestly couldnt tell ya

Warriors have always been very gear dependent but ive been doing fine so far

[dawn pivot]

Is a boosted char so gear is probably not the best atm

[warped garden]

OH

that explains everything

[karmic geode]

I got my teeth kicked in doing keep in purely leveling gear, the stuns early on mostly, but I also had a boosted healer.

[rich hatch]

Imp revenge does eat two charges of ss yes

[late iris]

I wanna try the revenge build in wotlk while dung levling is that good or bad?

[elfin spruce]

It requires good avoidance gear

[elfin spruce]

If you're not defense capped and are trying to do big pulls they're gonna eat you

[karmic geode]

I was doing single packs, but the stun is like four seconds long where I can't block/dodge/parry and leveling gear+a questionable healer just couldn't withstand that half the time. I tried to save shockwave/concus blow to closer when they'd normally stun me and that helped

[forest ibex]

After hours of grinding w my buddy he was brutal war and I was disc priest, I finally specced UA on my big time war full avoidance BT gear and it was nuts

I could see with a healer doing 4k+ each pack if I could wear full dps gear… the try with full avoidance in utgarde, I had a shadowpriest healer lol

Did 2.1k dps overall 1.6 mil damage 3man utgarde(mage, priest, war)

[hollow timber]

yo, so im playing orc prot warr and I got both bis sword from hc up and axe from oculus. do i use the sword?
with sword spec instead of the 5% crit

[elfin spruce]

Axe is bis

Sword spec got it's legs cut

[hollow timber]

ait, ty

[daring hornet]

I’m getting eaten alive trying to go the revenge build with shitty gear. Anyone recommend going arms or fury 70-80? I have full brutal gear with two brutal 2-handers, but I fear arms might be a better leveler.

[dapper adder]

GM everyone. I have just boosted my warrior to 70 lvl and made an Revenge-Unrelenting Assault build. Since the gear I have sux hard and I have never played a warrior (in the past I main'd like 5 classes, but never warrior), where should I get best information how to start?
What is the rotation, what items to look for etc.?
Maybe I should buy some shield on AH, just to have this extra block etc?
I must admit, that after playing like 30 minutes, I got killed 3 times, cuz apparently 3 mobs are too much to handle (which indicates that gear is really bad) 😄

[chilly marten]

War is really gear dependent. The wowhead guide is a good start. If u want to buy some greens from AH try buying "of champion" pieces

[dapper adder]

ok, thanks for the info! 🙂 Will defo do! But do I need to have strong hitting or fast hitting weapon?

as I noticed Revenge doesn't rely on weapon damage, but on the other hand Cleave does weapon damage...

[tulip vessel]

Hello all I am going to be boosting a character (I played rogue in classic) am deciding between either a warrior to play fury or a ret pally, so my question is how is fury warrior in WOTLK for levelling and raids/dungeons

[forest ibex]

Not great

[shy robin]

Fury becomes really strong with gear and armor penetration

[elfin spruce]

You need bis avoidance gear for ua to work otherwise you're just a limp noodle outside of shieldblock

[elfin spruce]

Playing a DPS warrior in wotlk is an investment in the future, they're pretty bad in raids early on and only pick up once sufficient arp is available

Dungeons arms can slap due to their strong cleave

But you're not going to outpace a dk or ret

[cold nexus]

Are glancing blows improved by expertise?

And to add, can you reduce the amount of glancing blows to 0?

[forest ibex]

No that’s just vanilla with weapon skill

The only reason to worry about glancing blows isn’t really a reason… what you WILL be worrying about is crit cap

If your hit, or expertise is way too low you could hit crit cap based off your yellow attacks(which cannot glance) being dodged, or parried, (or blocked for some strange reason), and your white hits, being glances, dodged, misses, and potentially being blocked or parried… effectively can push your white hit crits off the damage table to where your yellows will crit and your whites will glance

[strange ridge]

What do you guys think about titansteel destroyer for orc ?

[forest ibex]

Fast 2h are stupid

[strange ridge]

stupid good or stupid bad :>

[forest ibex]

Well what is your actual question

Is it. Should I be using the titansteel destroyer as an orc <spec> warrior?

[strange ridge]

Is titansteel destroyer good for an orc arms warrior Mr Jerreeeeee ?

Apologies for the Inconvenience

[forest ibex]

Would highly recommend this instead since it’s free and an axe

[strange ridge]

Good shot, i might only craft the mace if i dont get the axe before naxx

[forest ibex]

I wouldn’t if you are even a little tight for gold

Because that will be replaced with multiple different naxx weapons

And presumably you’ll be doing 10 and 25 man

I really don’t think it’s worth the gold unless you have epic flying and 2 maxed out professions already, and are fully gemmed and enchanted

Sim the difference too and you’ll see what I mean

[strange ridge]

yeah, fully maxed profs and epic flying on 2 chars

also self crafting

[cold nexus]

So not much i can do about white hits?

[forest ibex]

Always 24% of your white hits will glance- at least that’s what the documentation reads

[forest ibex]

#mop-discussion message

[cold nexus]

Ahh okay thanks a lot 🙂

[rancid furnace]

hey guys, I'm starting WOTLK classic, and I'm wondering, how to use rend ? You apply it on start after charge but we never refresh cause of stance dance ?

[limpid spindle]

Does anyone have a link to a good wotlk arms guide? seems like every one I check varies in BiS list to talents to stat prio

[elder coral]

yo guys i got the two gloves, any tips in which should i use?

[fringe fern]

Hey i wonder should I use execute in berserker stance thus not losing the rage by switching to battle stance as arms?

[rich hatch]

no

the moment we don't need battle stance for the arpen is p much the same time we stop playing arms

[fringe fern]

k thanks

[celest hornet]

is there a possibility to sim your wotlk characters?

[dapper adder]

Why exactly BiS high avoidance? To proc Revenge? Because I noticed that when I take 2-3 mobs I got revenge proc almost 100% of the fight. I lose much of HP tho 😄

But it is just like questing as a combat rogue. The same stuff - I can take 2-3 mobs, but lose 50%+ of HP

[sharp patio]

guys i'm trying to write a macro for my burst damage so like cast reck, battlestance sweeping strike and bladestorm, the macro works apart from bladestorm at the end not sure whyi have enough rage for it.

#showtooltip Bladestorm
/cast [stance:3] Recklessness
/cast [stance:1/2] Berserker Stance
/castsequence reset=20 Recklessness, Battle Stance, Sweeping Strikes, Bladestorm

this is what i got

[dire swallow]

SLam build still the way after autoattack pause update?

[elfin spruce]

Because otherwise you take too much damage, Revenge doesn't need a ton of 2ndaries to just absolutely demolish mobs, so the goal is to pull bigger use cleave/revenge to melt things otherwise its slow. But if you're questing and getting chunked, you're not geared for UA and would be better as either deep prot or raw arms.

Like the UA build is built around the idea of soloing dungeons

So when you say quest NPC (as in non elites in OW) are takign 50% of your HP, it means you're too squish.

[rich hatch]

your stance swap + ss is all your rage

[elfin spruce]

it shoudl be glyphed no?

[rich hatch]

assuming not

should be fine otherwise

also UA still works good for heroics, it's all i've been doing myself

[elfin spruce]

Yeah just can't be in garbo greens

[rich hatch]

no shockwave sucks but doing 5k dps overall >>>

[elfin spruce]

It's like "I can tank dungeons as boomkin, IDK if its efficient but starfall is pretty good for getting aggro"

[rich hatch]

If you're holding all aggro and not dying, everything else is fluff eh

[elfin spruce]

Being pure prot is basically "Hold W pres Revenge - profit"

[rich hatch]

But when that fluff is making the dungeon twice as fast cause you're top dps, some really nice fluff lol

[forest ibex]

Running old kingdom with my buddy, we were pulling 3-4 packs at a time… he 100% needed shockwave for that

We had 2x ele, boomkin, me as disc

Doing 15 min fill clears skipping bosses 1 and 3

[rich hatch]

normal ofc

altho i do double pulls in heroic often which prob the same as 3-4 in norm

[forest ibex]

Heroic with some gear keeping around a UA spec is probably nice

[split urchin]

Is it possible to sim your character in wotlk through addons to see if theres a gear piece thats better than what you are wearing atm?

Also is there a spreadsheat for what breakpoints you wanna hit etc with gear in pre raid bis gear and also throughout the phases :D?

[forest ibex]

Hit(8%) and expertise(26) cap

Soft cap for arpen is ~800

[wise dove]

is arms or fury the play for heroics?

[rich hatch]

arms for sure

[wispy grail]

Fury later on though, definitely in icc but I can’t remember when fury got really good

[fiery ferry]

yo guys any raw gold farm for lvl 80 prot with full preraid bis ? what can we solo for big money rn ?

[tired gazelle]

if you can't afford berserking - what's 2nd best cheap weapon enchant?

[molten kestrel]

if i boosted a character using tbc edition i can b oost another one if i get woltk heroic one?

[split urchin]

Shouldnt fury be good to play as once u start getting the pre-raid bis gear compared to arms?

[rich hatch]

no

fury is dependent on other stats for more rage, stats you can't get without sacrificing cap on arpen

which is a bigger prio

[flint brook]

essence of gossamer bugged?

Anyone noticing an issue with aoe threat? or am i just with mega pumpers

[rich hatch]

no issue

just make sure you tc

and bugged how?

[split urchin]

Is hit cap and expertise same on arms as fury

[storm marsh]

anyone else getting bugged off the zeppelin while taking it from Honor Hold back to Ogrimmar? always dumps me at the stone talon entrance from barrens

[storm marsh]

i believe you don't need as much with fury because you have access to Precision

[forest ibex]

Fury has a +20 something % increased miss chance because it is dual wield, but DOES have the same requirement as every melee(8% hit) to never miss yellow attacks

[split urchin]

Okay, thanks

When does fury become better? At what phase

Not that I like fury more, I actually love arms but just wanna know when I start to fall behind

Also does anyone have a picture of talents on whats best to use as arms

[storm marsh]

the fight club discord has some decent information if you're not already part of it

[split urchin]

Im not can u post a link for it

[storm marsh]

https://discord.gg/RbCZJtw

that should work?

[quaint bramble]

what rep is prio? for arms?

arms early right? and fury later?

[rich hatch]

wyrmrest/ebon blade both have two good pre raid pieces

[fiery ferry]

yo guys any raw gold farm for lvl 80 prot with full preraid bis ? what can we solo for big money rn ?

[flint brook]

onyl shows 1 damage reduction

[rich hatch]

Weird

[rich hatch]

Tooltip error maybe, not sure

I'll check later if it's the same in logs

[flint brook]

That'd be awesome

[vital tapir]

is arms or fury better for p1 ? or they are kinda similar, i plan doing 10 man raids/dungeons with friends

[blazing current]

Arms by far

[rich hatch]

it's just the tooltip afaik

i found mobs that auto me for about 100, random trash in terokkar

and whenever it procs, i negate all hits

[forest kettle]

should i prefer the titansteel mace or the colossal skull-clad cleaver as arms?

[rich hatch]

cleaver

[forest kettle]

is there any reason why? the strength on the titansteel destroyer is a lot more than the cleaver, plus the hit rating seems more useful than the haste

[delicate haven]

Axe mastery is 5% crit

[dire swallow]

Wwhen is the time to pop reck on ST? Exexute phase amd stay in zerk stance? Or rend OP is still prio even in exe phase

[finite bane]

Do u need 540 Defense to tank HC dungeons ?

[fiery ferry]

490

[finite bane]

Ty

[charred wadi]

You dont need to worry about defense for HCs in terms of dealing with crits. Defense gear is just what you want for overall dmg reduction 🙂

[split urchin]

How long does it take to get exalted/revered with those? Atm im working on sons of hodir rep for the shoulders and the enchant to shoulders

[forest ibex]

Do the quests, put on your tabard, farm heroics

No shot you’re done with farming heroics before you’re done with reps

[elfin spruce]

Depends how fast you can clear dungeons

[elder coral]

yo guys, i got my gear for raiding is this ok for the raids on p1?

[forest ibex]

Are you crit immune?

[split urchin]

is skull clad cleaver fra HoL HC better than Edge of Ruin from Trial of the champion

[rich hatch]

One world tour= revered pretty much

[fair thistle]

Hi everyone, would you recommend doing botanica till 78 or going from 75 to UK?

[forest ibex]

Botanica? Like from tbc?

[fair thistle]

yep, solo farm mobs in botanica, took around 2.5 hours per level with average tank gear till 75

[rich hatch]

I hear it's good xp but idk

[fair thistle]

but I got too bored of it already, I would change it a bit

[rich hatch]

Now that areas aren't crowded, you're better off questing probably

[elder coral]

i think i am, i need to have 540+ def to be crit immune right?

[elfin spruce]

In raids

490 for heroics

[rain crane]

I'm pretty sure it's 530 for heroics? Doesn't matter though I was tanking right out of the gate at like 495 defense you just eat the occasional crit

[elfin spruce]

Was 490 tbc defensive cap, my goodness it's been forever since I paid attention

[charred wadi]

Botanica is better xp as mobs have so much less hp*

can do it easily to 77

will take you around 30-35 runs to hit 77

[forest ibex]

Yes

[forest ibex]

That is smart, what other classes can do this?

30-35 runs for 77 isn’t bad at all

[dawn pivot]

hey guys, what should i buy with my emblems , got around 900

90*

[patent hull]

What’s the fastest way to get to botanica? Portal somewhere?

[charred wadi]

Just fly to netherstorm takes 2 minutes

[dawn pivot]

berserking enchant too expensive what else should i use for arms weapon enchant

[rich hatch]

zerking is kinda cheap mat wise

can get greater savagery i guess

massacre is still 6 abyss crystals and it's significantly worse than zerking

[charred wadi]

raids are out in 3 days just relax and get abyss crystals for 25g

[fluid echo]

you wont need uber dps to beat naxx 10.

[charred wadi]

its easier than heroics

[heady cradle]

To all of you saying you can't do botanica if you didn't raid:

https://eightyupgrades.com/set/dBUkxfnX4fDvVdYwb6cT9e

This one works

I had some struggles but then put lifeward on my weapon and also got the DMC trinket, jesus it's super smooth now compared to before

[charred wadi]

Hope nobody claimed you needed top notch gear for Botanica 😄

cobalt crafts good pickup for warrior alts starting now. good call

[heady cradle]

Most people I’ve talked to has claimed you need ”swp gear or go quest”

[somber notch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUi3pjtNa70

how is this even possible bro

like its not a click bait title either

its legit a 1-80 in 5 hours

[heady cradle]

Is that possible in Classic WOTLK though with the nerfed boosting? Or does warmane have the same?

[somber notch]

the boosting didnt seemed nerfed for some reason, he went from lvl 15 to 28 in 2 stocks dungeons

and then 28 to 40 in 2 sm caths

[dawn pivot]

best leveling spec? (70-80)

[somber notch]

it really doesnt matter to be honest

their all decently fast

prot arms if you want to spam dungeons solo

[dawn pivot]

i guess fury would be the least ideal?

[somber notch]

probably

but also the most fun at the same time

prot warrior is incredibly safe

[dawn pivot]

a lot of mobility as well

[somber notch]

and arms just does a shit load of cleave, so does prot but arms is faster

[dawn pivot]

intercept charge

[heady cradle]

Prot warrior is also stupid fun

No way arms is faster than UA prot with some avoidance gear and big pulls

[dawn pivot]

so like if i take fury cause i like the spec more than the other 2 it should be fine yeah

[somber notch]

yeah

you wont die

[subtle oracle]

hii guys

[dawn pivot]

been leveling as prot for quite some time and honestly i cant anymore xd

[subtle oracle]

im new here

[heady cradle]

Welcome!

[subtle oracle]

cani ask smthing about warrior arms arena

in wotlk

[somber notch]

well depending on cds arms is faster on like 8+ mob pulls

in questing n shit

[subtle oracle]

do i need armor pent gems ??

iam JC btw

[dawn pivot]

• until zuldrak a lot of the mobs will be contested

[subtle oracle]

i have +34 pent gems

[somber notch]

bladestorm is disgusting

bladestorm is disgusting

[subtle oracle]

for pvp bro 😄

arena only

[somber notch]

hmm

i guess armor pen works

[subtle oracle]

isee most people go strngth + ap

and wotlk is much good for warrior AP

armor pent *

[somber notch]

stam stacking isnt bad either

especially if you have a healer

[subtle oracle]

hmm

[lapis seal]

hey guys, i've got a couple talent questions

for protection tanks

anyone i can reach about it?

[forest ibex]

No

[molten kestrel]

ash fresh 70 boosted what the best thing i can do for lvl? quest?

[forest ibex]

#mop-discussion message

[forest ibex]

Quest, could try to solo botanica in tbc. Heard that is pretty good

[lapis seal]

idk

ill drop the full question then

https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/talent-calc/warrior/0522100023-3-053351225000012521030113321

this are my current talents

i think its pretty good so far, but i've got 2 points left that im doubting where to put

i see most people taking 2 points in Improved Disciplines, but really? 1 minute on that CD that you mostly just have whenever u need it, its too long regardless of the talents to use it 2 times on a boss

so i was thinking of 2 things

either focused rage, and i know you have a lot of fury all the time, but eeh just in case

or 2 points in Cruelty (Fury), for the improved crit (seems pretty good imo)

what do you think?

[forest ibex]

If you’re not rage starved take cruelty

If you’re raiding probably take safeguard

[lapis seal]

didnt think about safeguard

im not too used to using it, its kinda clunky to targed allies

[forest ibex]

It is op for tank busters

It’s an extra sac every 30 sec lol

[rich hatch]

depends what you are tanking

but safeguard is generally always a pick

for dungeons, a lot of this is survivability overkill but shockwave is obv good

[ivory spire]

when do you fill in sunder armor as fury warrior, especially on multi target fights?

[molten kestrel]

too hard for me atm.. i need like sunwell gear

[full cave]

To tank patchwerk on 25m how much health should I have unbuffed?

[elfin spruce]

As much as possible

You mean hatefulls or maintank

[forest ibex]

What’s his damage per swing(or hateful), what’s your armor#?, what is your debuff profile?, and how much stam do you have now?

[elfin spruce]

LoL have a rogue do it

[forest ibex]

Basically just need enough to have hp left over after 2 hateful

Well I say 2

[elfin spruce]

Uh

[forest ibex]

But the hots that tick after u take 1

[full cave]

Hatefuls

[elfin spruce]

You'll probably never take 2 in a row

[forest ibex]

Then able to take another with like 1hp to spare

[full cave]

Warr will be the third tank

[forest ibex]

Yea… but the healers be zzz

[elfin spruce]

If you do, there is something wrong

[forest ibex]

That’s how raiding works

[full cave]

Like right now I have 23k unbuffed and I'm the third tank on patchwerk

[elfin spruce]

So hateful will hit the highest health target in the top portion of the aggro table

[forest ibex]

That’s my prot war lvl 70 hp

In tbc

Buffed

[elfin spruce]

When he hits you, your hp will (unless bur) drop under basically everyone else's, in theory

So unless you're topped up, he'll eat a dps

[full cave]

But you think 23k unbuffed will be fine?

[elfin spruce]

23k no

His raw dmg is 105k

[full cave]

Like at raid I'll have e buffs I just dint know what my hp will be with those

Prob what 26k ish?

[elfin spruce]

Well, try for 30ish, hope you block

Like 23k is legitimately lowballing an 80 prot

[forest ibex]

U take 2, when the other tank isn’t topped as fast as you

[elfin spruce]

Generally that's where the fury warriors start dying

[forest ibex]

Hehe yes

Poor guys

Just wanted to pump with world buffs

[elfin spruce]

Two two handers means you're nearly tank hp without the armor

[forest ibex]

Really? They have that much Stam loaded into them?

[elfin spruce]

Yeah

[forest ibex]

I never noticed that change to weapon stats

[elfin spruce]

Twohanders generally have twice as much stam

[forest ibex]

Oh lol

That would make sense

4 main hands worth of Stam

[elfin spruce]

And DPS plate wastes alot of stat budget on stam, more than leather

[forest ibex]

Rs25 heroic really showed us that

And same with swp gear

Dummys at blizzard man always trying to make everyone join their leather wearing office sex cult

[elfin spruce]

Well they didn't tbh they would always tell warriors to wear plate it's made for you, nevermind that even with the armor to attack conversion in wotlk it's still 10% behind leather budget for DPS stats

Because warriors get much better agi to crit conversion

[forest ibex]

No dps wants to wear gear that makes you do less dps ofc

Why because “warriors take 10% more dam” heal me more Bitch

Now I’m taking 10% more dam in leather gear haha

[ivory spire]

can someone say when to weave in sunder armor when your responsible and dont have someone else as fury warrior?

[elfin spruce]

R O G U E S J O B

[ivory spire]

but isnt fury technically more suited for it? or is there something i miss?

[toxic blaze]

Hello chad warriors ! Do we use Execution, Hamstring and Pummel has prot warrior in pvp ? (and in pve btw)

[hollow timber]

what is bis prot wep`?

as orc

[upper pasture]

Probably Cloudstriders Waraxe

[deep canyon]

Any clear determination on Arms over Fury for P1 dps? Thoughts?

[charred wadi]

Red Sword of Courage for all races

[thin aspen]

So which would be better for pve purposes?

The wowhead guide says to take the left one but I've seen another take tactical mastery.

[elfin spruce]

In a perfect world your raid would be running a prot maintank to optimize DPS, but I see a lot of people running pal dk because of idiotic private server bloat information being referenced in sims

[thin aspen]

By the way, why do we use slam instead of heroic strike as arms? It seems to not make sense as heroic strike costs less and deals more damage, right?

Is it because it's not tied to weapon swing timer so you can use it more?

(I presume it has to be for this reason)

[forest ibex]

You can’t generate rage on empowered autos

[thin aspen]

Oh damn, I didn't know this

So it's like the last ditch effort to get rid of your rage, if there's a lot of it coming in?

[elfin spruce]

Yeah you'll rarely HS as arms, it has a substantial opportunity cost for rage gen, not that slam doesn't, since delaying an auto attack by it's cast time

[quaint bramble]

will bs become irrelevant later in expansion?

[elfin spruce]

Unsure what you're asking

[quaint bramble]

i mean will we get other recipes?

Titansteel is best atm but will there be other recipes?

[rancid root]

I think each phase will have new recipes

Belt of the titans - recipe from ulduar

Hell frozen bonegrinders- recipe from icc

[rich hatch]

just a preference thing. there's value if you know you stance swap a lot but if you know you don't then just get the resist

[elfin spruce]

Oh bs blacksmithing, not bladestorm

Yeah you'll get some new stuff

Togc iirc has some pretty nice things

[split urchin]

How long will naxx take both 10m and 25m if your guild is mediocre or worse?

[ebon basin]

OK, Am I the only one running into bugs when swapping from 2H to 1H + shield guys? Randomly, for a reason I can't figure out, sometimes I'd spam it and it just won't equip the shield

I tried a normal equip macro, I tried equipslot macros, I changed around where the /cast Shield Bash/Reflect/Wall portion sits

[lament lichen]

Do you put a "/stopcasting" at the start of the macro for canceling Heroic Strike/Cleave? you cant swap weapon when you got Heroic Strike queued.
This one does the trick for me:
#showtooltip Spell Reflection
/stopcasting
/equip Red Sword of Courage
/equip Royal Crest of Lordaeron
/cast Defensive Stance
/cast Spell Reflection

[ebon basin]

@lament lichen I just figured that out myself holy shit

and added /stopcasting

thanks anyway!

was worried it might stop my autoattack, but it doesn't, so it's all gucci ❤️

[median maple]

Question, should I add EP to pawn or weights>

[split urchin]

Is there a guide on how to setup pawn for warrior, cuz i feel like whenever it says its an upgrade i lose hit rating

[odd shore]

Just don't use pawn

[charred wadi]

Tactical Mastery is better. Since shattering throw requires battle stance and 25 rage to use. Both recommended prot and fury talents on wowhead have 3/3 tactical mastery. I assume Arms setup does not include TM as Battle stance is your default dps stance but I would still grab it vs the stun reduction. Its annoying not to be able to swap zerker stance to WW or pummel.

[thin aspen]

Makes sense. Got the orc racial anyways for the stun reduction

[ripe python]

Hey, im full bis/epic on my arms Warr but when i sim it, it says that fury will do around 800 more dps. I havent really tried it out yet but which specc should i go for in naxx? What are you guys going and why

[cursive horizon]

hey lads i got a question. I can't afford berserking atm on my 2hander b4 nax, What would be the best option 2? 110 attack power or mongoose?

for arms

[mental fossil]

@cursive horizon 110 ap.

@ripe python arms, fury just isnt that good until they have alot of arp.

[cursive horizon]

thx

[ripe python]

@mental fossil how come my sim is higher as fury then arms then?

4300 as arms, 5200 as fury

[mental fossil]

because simming isnt always 100% correct

[ripe python]

I know that, but almost 1000 dps wrong then

[mental fossil]

yep most likely

arms is just better at phase 1

[split urchin]

If not pawn what then?

[odd shore]

I'd use sim as they are way more accurate and whatnot

The main problem with pawn is not accounting for stuff like hit cap and your stats weights changing with every different piece of gear

[rancid root]

Do you guys think eighty upgrades is a better upgrade analysis tool? Is there any other more sophisticated simulation tool for wrath like raid bots?

[split urchin]

I tried installing the addon simulationscraft but cant type /simc, so how do u sim ur char?

[odd shore]

Personally I didn't get any results with the addon (pretty sure it only works on retail), so I used the old method of running the simulationcraft software on my computer, but, you would need a beefy machine to do so since it's kinda heavy on the processor

Alternatively there's the GitHub based website to simulate, I'll send the link here in a minute

https://wowsims.github.io/wotlk/warrior/

U need to configure the build your running and your gear and then simulate with other gearsets, I seems accurate for the most part but take the results with a grain of salt

I used it and got some pretty accurate results from my own testing but I'd still prefer the simcraft app if your PC can run it without slowing down

[full cave]

Does anyone happen to know the lowest level you'll be able to enter naxx? Do you basically just need flying to enter? Or do you have to be 80? P1 in tbc you could be 68.

[wise jolt]

outside of pvp and moving, when is it smart to be casting Moral strike

[pale steppe]

So i have a question. I just started playing Prot in Wrath so i don't have the best gear since its a fresh character, but i tried to do my first heroic last night and couldn't hold aggro. I was wondering if there was a certain rotation or something because all the DPS i run with have just been blasting the mobs before i can sunder anything

[forest ibex]

Devastate or sunder?

Your tclap should just do 80% of the work for grouping them Revenge should do 80% of the work for 1-2 targets

[pale steppe]

Yeah devastate, but it seems like i charge in, demo and battle shout but the people i play with just drop every AOE they have before i can start to Devastate the other mobs in a pack

[forest ibex]

Don’t demo on trash unless you’re getting wrecked

Waste of a global, they should be pumping as soon as you charge in

Why battle?

You should have rage pooled to battle pre pull

You’re charging in and using 2 gcd that don’t generate(much) threat

That’s 3 seconds of standing there with your… sword in your hand

[pale steppe]

So should i like bloodrage on the first pull just for initial rage and then after that just carry rage through the other packs up to the boss?

[forest ibex]

Usually

There are hiccups like long walks or waiting for a rez but yeah ideally

Bloodrage usually for battle shout pre pull or if it still has some time you can get some extra rage for some extra cleaves on pull

Also 3cleave glyph is great, shockwave glyph is pretty good, sunder glyph is pretty ok

I wouldn’t waste a glyph spot for the taunt or last stand/shield wall glyphs for running heroics

Depends on gold and preference though

[pale steppe]

Ah yeah i forgot to change my glyphs i think i'm still using the glyphs for the revenge prot build

that goes down the arms tree

[rich hatch]

ya the sims/pawn/weights etc are wildly off sometimes so i wouldn't even bother with trusting it tbh

yet at least

just tank heroics as UA, never lose aggro because you're always top dps

[elfin spruce]

Don't shout in combat, you charge then thunderclap, cleave and revenge, tc in cd, revenge every time you can

If you're dealing with real pumpers shockwave then tc

[forest ibex]

Yeah if you’re with merciless warlocks the rota: shockwave-> TC -> ST stun mob you have low threat on -> taunt another mob you have low threat on

[elfin spruce]

Going to admit I just open with seed in my warlock

[forest ibex]

Yea and that’s understandable

That’s why we have this discord

[elfin spruce]

Course thus far only dk seem to have issues holding mobs

[forest ibex]

I still don’t get it

When I watch naxx streams from the beta I see bdk topping aoe a lot of packs

[split urchin]

How long will darkmoon card be bis for us?

It says according to bis pre-raid and bis phase 1 aswell its bis

But will it be bis in phase 2 and 3?

[forest ibex]

Sim against p2 trinkets if they’re options in the sim, otherwise you’ll have to wait for next tier’s wowhead guide

Gearing is likely to be different considering the item level changes in p2

[open mauve]

Hey in deep prot should I even worry about using rend other than on single target boss fights? It seems like a global would be better spent using revenge, devastate or shield slam

[charred wadi]

• Run vigilance glyph so it transfers 15% threat on the guy you buff instead of 10%. Good choices for vigilance are boomie, warlock and death knight. The other 2 glyphs matter less, I like shield slam and devastate over the alternatives. Rogue has tricks but it does provide dmg so not sure what the play is. Tank can do giga dam though so if speed is the key 🙂
• Hunters not using MD on CD (30s) are griefing
• Prio thunder clap, keep cleave queued as rage permits and then be tactical with revenge. It hits +1 target. If you got 5-6 mobs in front of you can spread the revenges
• Use taunt. Biggest mistake warrior tanks done since Classic is not taunt on CD. There is no reason not to. In Wrath it has 30 yard range to boot. Aoe taunt has 3min cd and absolute worst case mocking blow
• Get a good nameplate addon, I recommend ThreatPlates. It color codes depending on threat. Yellow = about to lose aggro. Easier to identify what target to taunt preemptively or smack a shield slam on
• Dont forget heroic throw, insane threat
• Run 2/2 imp charge with low gear (skip points in Imp heroic Strike). Helps when a pull begins with low rage and as charge has 15s cd you can charge to catch shit that is stuck at range or lose and intercept back to main pack
• When you engage a typical aoe pack thunder clap, revenge asap and ideally get another revenge ready before you shockwave (revenge has 5s cd but the window to use revenge is enough that you can get it ready preemptively). Shockwave does very nice dmg but you also stun shit. What you want to avoid is instantly Shockwave, have the mobs stun, run dry on rage and then have no follow up. Letting the mobs smack you for 1-2s before shockwave secures continued pump

[charred wadi]

You can use it until ICC - its that strong

[thin aspen]

For dps warrior, what reputation should I get after ebon blade?

[charred wadi]

iirc nothing too hot just do them 1 and 1

[jolly kayak]

Hey guys I think a lot asked this before but is ms better in p1?

Pre raid and after bis raid ?

[charred wadi]

Mortal strike always on CD if that is what you meant with MS

[jolly kayak]

I mean arms sorry

[knotty nexus]

Both just press cleave

Depends on whether you want to bloodthirst the boss or mortal strike the boss

[split urchin]

I try to upload my character on warcraft logs but it says they can't find my character name?

[jolly kayak]

@knotty nexus so for raid bosses it doesn’t matter ? Both are bottom right ? 😅

[amber sinew]

if you cleared 10man naxx, is it possible to do it again with a pug?

on the same week (wanna play with a friend of mine)

[brittle lintel]

yo if you boost a charater does it also boost the proffesion for the char to or not? and what about weapon skills, do they become "max" for lvl 70?

[tawdry karma]

If there is both Fury and Arms in the raid (but no rogue) who takes the smallest dps loss to apply and maintain Sunder? I.e who should do it for the good of the raid

[split urchin]

What is best dps arms or fury in phase 1 and phase 2?

[pale steppe]

Oh shoot thanks for all the tips! Do you have any opinions on the viability between deep prot and the UA build? Like i don't have a guild so im likely only going to do dungeons, which would be better?

[lapis seal]

anyone got gearscorelite?

it was working fine

but since the last couple days I cant inspect other people inventory

not talking about gs, i cant see their items

[charred wadi]

deep prot is a lot smoother to play.

[rich hatch]

Weapon skills up to 70, profs do not get touched at all

[rich hatch]

I tank heroics as UA and it's honestly better imo unless you know all your DPS are chads

[knotty nexus]

Not necessarily

You’ll win on cleave fights

[rich hatch]

TFB bug kinda crazy. Fury already outperforming on logs lol

[forest ibex]

Is the icd broken?

[brittle lintel]

ah okey ty,

[vital tapir]

so are arms and fury kinda equal ? i was checking logs and isee both. idk if fury provides any specific buff or debuff for the raid compared to arms

[fiery ferry]

5% mele crit for the whole raid

As feral do

[vital tapir]

so if there is no feral i could just go fury instead of arms ?

[fiery ferry]

Just play whatever you want man fury looks even with arms if you check logs

[vital tapir]

i dont mind, was just saying if there is no feral might just play fury to buff all the group since they are kinda equal

idk if blood frenzy is better than the 5% crit

[rich hatch]

Ya it is a 9s icd sometimes. Not sure what causes it(or fixes it)

[forest ibex]

Well it’s supposed to be 9s right?

[rich hatch]

6

The duration of the proc is 9s

[forest ibex]

Oh rip

[rich hatch]

It's only about a 4-5% DPS loss

Which is a lot depending who you ask but

We're already kinda bottom of the barrel DPS so it doesn't feel good lol

[split urchin]

What is best dps arms or fury in phase 1 and phase 2?

[rich hatch]

Usually arms but seems even so far on logs

Slightly more fury

[split urchin]

top 10 dps'ers are there only 2 arms

on logs

Thats why I was wondering

[rich hatch]

Yeah at this point, you play arms if you don't have a feral/combat in raid or because you like it better

[split urchin]

how come?

feral/combat

is it cuz u use arms / fury to proc sunder

[toxic kayak]

is there a dungeon farm 60-70?

[molten tide]

Hello fellow warriors.
I wanted to know if dualwielding 1hweapon in Fury grabbing Death Wish and Rampage and then go to arms to get Poleaxe Spec and Sweeping strikes is viable or if any of you tried it?
I know at this phase arms is the way to go but its not really my style.
Actually while leveling i switched to prot cause im having way more fun and Maybe im thinking to keep it till ToC.

[long agate]

Anybody simmed how big the diff is for arms between the T7 4PC setup vs the leather setup?

Okay I just simmed it to be roughly a 100 dps loss to go for T7 4PC vs the leather setup

[rich hatch]

feral brings a debuff that increases all bleed dmg to target, combat brings a debuff that increases all phys dmg to target. arms brings both.

[rich hatch]

possibly good for cleave but can't imagine it competes in ST. TG fury is already outperforming anyway though

[molten tide]

Thanks, will try out TG Fury then to see how it goes

[supple mango]

how do i find the Hit Cap for fury warrior ?

[cursive horizon]

Any of you warriors havea nice way of making gold at the moment?

I've tried HoS soloing but only seem to get 500g/hr

[rich hatch]

not gonna get much higher with any warrior raw gold farm

strat/bf/hol all hover in the same range

professions are still gonna net you a lot more at least for the next few weeks

[cursive horizon]

idk. mining with competition isnt feelin like 500g an hour

[rich hatch]

i get about 500g/h worth of saronite alone in a hour

throw a scarlet ruby in there and you're at 800

used to be a lot more cause prices are already falling but ya

[split urchin]

Guys is the Jorach's Croclisk skin belt better than Girdle of the Ascended Phantom the 10man naxx belt

[cursive horizon]

if u need the hit > exp then no

[split urchin]

so if im hit capped then 1st one is better

[neat sky]

this may be a silly question. while doing pve. dungeons and such, should i be using leather gear that is an upgrade in pawn. i dont know much about the addon but its saying some leather/mail pieces are gonna be better for dmg

[rich hatch]

From a DPS perspective, sure why not but if you are taking hits a la questing then prob not

[supple mango]

What is hit cap ?

[cobalt swift]

hit cap = you wont miss your hits on the boss

i have the issue not having expertise cap lol

[proper gulch]

Does anyone have a swing timer w/a that actually works? I can’t seem to find one

[upper pasture]

Does shield block not completely double your shield block value? When I use it my block value goes from 954 to 1688

[vital tapir]

do you have to keep sunder up as dps if there is no prot war or rogue ?

[rich hatch]

In raid yes

[split urchin]

Does anyone have a weakaura for bloodsurge to use slam instantly, so I dont have to look in the up in the upper right corner every time

[dusty bloom]

Yo guys, im here coz I have some questions about my warr on wotlk

[floral bough]

i use the SpellActivationoverlay addon

havent had any problems with it so far, should work for procs of all classes and specs

[lapis imp]

Hey guys, what are you using to sim your warriors in Woltk? Simc addon doesn't even seem to work on classic...

[split urchin]

Awesome thanks

I was wondering, how trustworthy is wowhead on their bis list pieces for a warrior

[muted adder]

So sims are telling me I should be getting 3k unbuffed dps and I can't seem to manage more than 2.4k consistently on a training dummy. I thought I was following the rotation/priority for arms, but it seems im doing something wrong

[thick wave]

guys i have a problem neither castsequence neither just normal cast macro dont work in classic with these spells anyone have a solution im trying to use sunder armor when victory rush hasnt procced

[forest ibex]

Training dummy’s sometimes have higher armour, but I suspect you sim with raid buffs?

And on a training dummy you have no lust or raid buffs

[muted adder]

I turned all buff except battle shout off

buffs*

[royal apex]

Guys what do you think which talent tree is better rn for single target dps. I tried out 2 differents build and i dont see big diference, but im doing something wrong i assume

[forest ibex]

Compare The damage breakdown of the Sim versus your damage

[timid quest]

Anyone have luck finding an instance farm for Prot Warrior that nets pretty decent cash? I'm not quite Pre BiS for Naxx, but finding myself needing a steady supply of gold for enchants and gems

[forest ibex]

You can also log the training dummy and ask in fight club discord

[rich hatch]

Strat/BF/HOL are all about 500g/h

BF prob the easiest to do

[timid quest]

Whoa really? Selling cloth + DE greens?

[analog helm]

Are you guys stacking strength gems or Armor pen? IIRC armor pen was king for both arms and fury all the way into ICC, anyone got any insight on this?

[forest ibex]

No

Not until you are at soft cap from gear, do you gen arpen

It’s is around 700-800

Only then it becomes more or equal value to strength

100% player arpen is only 75% boss arpen

You need the sunder (20%) and ff(5%) for the rest

[analog helm]

are we talking with sunders? and when you say soft cap are you throwing in trinket procs potentially?

[forest ibex]

Which trinket

[analog helm]

gotcha

[forest ibex]

And no

[analog helm]

uhhh i think its a valor trinket

nvm, its a ulduar trinket

[forest ibex]

A 45 icd proc isn’t going to make gemming arp outweigh str pre softcap

[analog helm]

the runestone

[forest ibex]

At the end of the day the math would be:

The overall arpen the trinket proc gives you plus your geared arpen

Then you can decide, but even that is finicky

Because fight lengths are different so you could lose or gain a trinket proc

[analog helm]

well anything over 1400 would be a waste right?

[forest ibex]

Yes

Maybe

Not if you have a proc

Procs can take you over cap

[analog helm]

yeah only in that 15 second window

[forest ibex]

Yea

[analog helm]

is what i mean

[forest ibex]

It is a waste

But it might be better than the next best thing still

Like being 1/4% over hit cap kind of deal u know

The procs are pretty high so I’d say the proc brings you a little over cap, but for your deathwish or lust window, then it is probably worth it

[split urchin]

I was wondering, how trustworthy is wowhead on their bis list pieces for a warrior

[forest ibex]

Sim it

If you can sim better with a different set, use that one

Bis is only bis if you have every bis piece, until then slots are subject to swaps if needed

[rich hatch]

str/crit is king right now

i wouldn't worry about arp until you at least get a grim toll

but even with the available gear right now, i wouldn't worry about using a grim toll until next phase

[muted adder]

How would I go about doing this?

[forest ibex]

Can either get an addon or use the in game logging

And then join fight club and drop your whole shpeal in the look at log channel

The log is stored in a directory in your wow folder

There is a ton of documentation that explains it better than I, but once you do it once it will be much better

[molten kestrel]

does this stacks if i put it on each weapon? thanks

[molten kestrel]

also. what is this?

my stance gives me 3% critical rate

[rich hatch]

it's a fury talent

and yes they stack

[molten kestrel]

so will be 800 attack power

[vital tapir]

lost grim to a retri lets gooo

[vast turtle]

any recommendation for an addon to help me with my rotations? i heard they are called sims? but i cant find anything good

[forest ibex]

Best thing you can do is read the rotation guide on wowhead, then practice on a dummy, then look at classic warcraft logs top patchwork naxx 25 warriors. Once you find one of the top 100 you like, you select casts. Finally you set the data to timeline mode and check out the intricacies of one of the best guy’s rotation and when he pops cooldowns

[vast turtle]

Thanks

[tawny wedge]

Question, how should I go about doing sunders as a arms warroir? would it be better to do rend-sunder(till 5)-overpower(when up) or should I get in some slaims or ms while doing it?

[timid quest]

Does anyone know of an addon that tracks what design patterns (JC) you have, what you don't have, and where you can get them?

[tawdry karma]

Would also like an answer to Troy’s question above about sunder

Also when do we shattering throw as Arms? On pull?

[robust sentinel]

can u sim on wotlk?

[forest ibex]

At least on warmane, shattering can lower boss armor past 100% pen, so I think that’s the play

[wispy ivy]

What means "champion" warrior on Warcraft logs?

[meager glacier]

If there are 3 targets to rend, do we rend all 3 targets? Or just 1 on primary

[tawny wedge]

just 1

[polar cypress]

why do Journey's End and other staffs from later phases sim so well? Are they really bis for fury warrior (i assume its slight bait)?

[trim wharf]

i dont care what any bis list say a fucking staff is not bis on a warrior

XD

[west stone]

im using mirror of truth as my trinket but not sure if i should use sphere of red dragons blood or meteorite whetstone

[trim wharf]

there are only 3 staffs a warrior can wield with dignity and none of them are for 40+ characters

[wary drum]

hey everyone, what pots are you using for dps?

[sudden wasp]

What is gladiator in warcraft logs? i thought that was a wod only thing

[lone nacelle]

Something something warriors in the raid that are prot specced but not actually tanking anything in the fight. Naxx has some fights where that happens.

[worldly spindle]

Should I go for set bonus first or something else with my first emblem of heroism purchases if I have these on

[split urchin]

If i got full HC gear for prot warrior how good will it be to spam dungeons for gold farm? Or is pala just alot better to do that

[charred wadi]

@split urchin Running hcs, picking up BOEs for disenchant on an alt and selling mats, selling frozen orbs you either loot or buy with excess badges etc is decent gold atm on my server at least. Hell, even northern spices you buy with the cooking daily token is stupid money when raid hours roll up and everyone scrambling to pack their bags. Then you obviously can do any number of dailies for gold. Wotlk shits out gold from just playing the game, like straight up leveling an alt and just saving boes and cloth you find. Once professions are skilled, maybe a Nobles deck bought and 280% flying your just gonna pile gold up. There really isn’t any secret to it. Do whatever activity you enjoy and if you somehow document what gold your earning you can see what is most success. Only thing I do not recommend is gathering. Your competing your limited time vs bots infinite time. Unless you really wanna do some stupid shit like mine tin and sell it to lads skilling engi/bs or dads realizing only now that engineering is the best profession in the game 🤫

[charred wadi]

Wowhead guides has a recommended emblem of heroism purchase priority. Considering you can get around 50 emblems per day if your doing literally every heroic just buy whatever piece is your weakest. Commenting on the 2 linked items specifically I would suggest you buy tier chest and then gloves as these are not impressive. There is no heroic drop on par with emblem of heroism tier chest but there are very nice gloves from gundrak though. End of the day you’ll get everything if you just play the game so don’t stress it.

[worldly narwhal]

guys

how can i sim my warrior?

[worldly spindle]

Thanks for the coherent answer

[charred wadi]

Go the classic warrior discord, sim tools there. Link to that discord in the pins in this channel @worldly narwhal

[worldly narwhal]

thank you bro

[charred wadi]

Gladiator is just warcraft logs way to seperate main tanks from off tanks to dps stepping in to tank. Gladiator specifically is when a warrior has majority talent points in Protection tree but fails to meet dmg taken treshhold on a specific encounter, defined by WCLs ruleset to be considered Main Tank. Basically, your typical off tank without a tanking job for a fight. There is also have Champion, which is when a warrior has majority talents in either Arms or Fury but meet the dmg taken requirement for a Main Tank. Might see a few of those if the Unrelenting Assault build grows in even more popularity as its quite good on a few fights compared to Deep Prot.

[charred wadi]

Use it whenever sunder/ea + ff is up during bloodlust window. Typically this would be within 5s of a pull. As arms your default dmg stance is battle stance so should be easy enough to pool rage prio to pull, sunder up if that is your job and then go. You sacrifice your personal dmg for insane raid buff so its 100 % worth. As fury you dps in zerker stance so it makes it a bit awkward. Either need to stay bstance and pool rage to get it off before you go zerker. This is when 3/3 tactical mastery is quite handy as you can macro /cast battle stance /cast shattering throw in one button to immediately swap stance and still have enough rage.

[split urchin]

Ea + ff?

[charred wadi]

expose armor and faerie fire

[split urchin]

And do we actually use shattering throw in pve?

[charred wadi]

Yes ofc, its massive

[split urchin]

Didnt know, thought it was purely a pvp skill to remove ice block, shield etc

What does it do for the raid

[charred wadi]

remove armor, stacks with sunder/ea + ff

[open mauve]

Is rend bugged? From time to time I cannot refresh it because “there is a more powerful spell active”

[forest ibex]

Might be snapshotting your trinket

Only thing I could think of

But why refresh it early? You lose a tick

[open mauve]

its if i refresh it at all, id rather just leave it up. The way it was workijng for me last night was that i had to let it fall off

[atomic geode]

So for arms is axe spec light years ahead of mace spec for P1

[forest ibex]

At least for dk, they get to their dot reup in their rotation the moment it falls off

Idk but I suspect it may be like that for warrior

[fading temple]

do you guys see any channels where you can talk in fight club discord

[thick jackal]

hey guys, is there a discord specially for wotlk classic?
or is this channel all we got?^^

[forest ibex]

Fight club

[tulip cobalt]

Guys, i don't know why this is so hard for me. But i don't know how to properly HS in my rotations. Can anyone help me out XD

Fury*

[thick jackal]

nice, is there a link somewhere, or can you post it?^^

nvm, found it. thanks a lot!

[fiery ferry]

I have the same issue, only when theres -3s left on the debuff, i try to refresh it since i know i wont get an op proc from the last tic

[forest ibex]

Looking at the 2nd best arms warrior in patchwork, he does not worry about rend refreshes, he seems to just use it as filler

He has only 84% uptime, and also notably used a shattering throw for execute phase

He only has maybe 2 well timed refreshes, otherwise he was prioritizing other casts

You can look at the cast timeline

[charred wadi]

You never refresh rend before it finishes it’s duration. Also taste for blood is confirmed bugged and blizzard has more or less admitted they have no plans to fix for it so y’all have to live with it 😊

[buoyant glade]

hello guys, can someone link me a working stance dance macro that works with same weapon? i used the one below until now, but doesnt work with same wep

/cast [nostance:2] Defensive Stance
/equip [noequipped:shield] Bulwark of the Noble Protector
/eq [noequipped:shield] The Interrogator
/cast [nostance:1] Berserker Stance
/equipslot 16 Colossal Skull-Clad Cleaver
/equipslot 17 Colossal Skull-Clad Cleaver

[forest ibex]

Is it the /eq line?

That whole macro looks weird

Ok for same wep

You can’t use a macro, unless they have a different enchant

Even then you need a addon to get the id of the item with the enchant

I assume you have two of the same weapon?

Usually, you just put the weapon on an action bar and macro the shield equip with shield block or something

[rich hatch]

Refreshing rend doesn't have prio over spending procs or risking overcapping on rage

Which can happen often with crit autos

[half thorn]

Hey

is berserking always the best ench for arms?

[rich hatch]

ya

[bold patio]

arms questions - is it worth rending all targets in a 2-3 target scenario?

[forest ibex]

Nah I think you just rend 1 for the OP proc, you’re gonna lose a lot of rage value doing that

Esp because the proc has an icd so it’s not going to proc more

And rend does low dam

[charred wadi]

Use eightyupgrades. Easy to see what items there are and their source for each slot

Filter by phase to see what’s available rn and what to look forward to in future raids

[west stone]

DPS of max swing more valuable on weapons?

or*

for fury warrior

[split urchin]

wait how is it bugged

[void comet]

Yo ! Sorry to bother you, just wanna know. As dps (fury or arms) what is your thoughts about
Bandit's Insignia vs Grim Toll ?

Ty

[vital tapir]

the build in wowhead for fury got updated ? in talent builds it went for 52 fury 19 arms with deep wounds but now i see it changed to fury 55 prot 8, is this build better for phase 1 ?

[charred wadi]

Not sure what you are looking at? I see 19/52 with a lil comment on the talent build

https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/guides/classes/warrior/fury/dps-talent-builds-glyphs-pve

[vital tapir]

if you go to bis gear phase 1 and click talents and glyphs next to gear in the middle, it now shows a new build. previously it had nothing there but now it shows this so i was confused if this is a better new build or what

[charred wadi]

The default sim settings for fury use the same 19/52 as refered to in the talent chapter of the wowhead guide. The talents selected in the P1 fury bis setup also lack Glyphs. I am gonna guess it was forgotten to change glyphs/talents as the chapter covers the items and not talents

If your unsure, leave a comment on wowhead. Intiuitively it makes no sense to not trust the info provided in the talent section

[vital tapir]

idk then, few days ago it was empty

it was updated recently

[charred wadi]

Maybe the author was tinkering, who knows

[vital tapir]

i guess

i dont think 3 points in incite is better than the arms talents

you waste alot of good talents

[charred wadi]

Hence I think it was just some tinkering that was forgotten

https://wowsims.github.io/wotlk/warrior/#

sim yourself if your unsure

[vital tapir]

heroic strike is my biggest dmg atm so i can see the idea but you just lose alot from arms

oh i didnt know that page

is there some auto import or i gotta do all manually ?

[charred wadi]

Doesn't look correct that you have HS as highest dmg. WW and BT should be top. Looks like your not spending rage correct

[vital tapir]

no idea, im pressing them on cd

[charred wadi]

Ait

Check the sim site, you'll figure it out

[vital tapir]

thats from saph

this one is like you said from gothik

[charred wadi]

care to share log?

or char name and i'll find it

[vital tapir]

https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/reports/FY49gcWhQCMBbapr#fight=53&type=damage-done

i could be doing something wrong

i swapped from arms few days ago

i did like 80 heroic strikes idk how

and its shorter than gothik

i did 24 only in gothik

[charred wadi]

I see 10 cpm on BT so thats excellent

There you go, I learned something new. Didnt play dps warrior in Wrath yet, only prot

[vital tapir]

im checking all fights

some fights its top dmg some others its not

idk why tbh

rng ?

[charred wadi]

you should have more rage on sapph cus blizzard feeding dmg taken

makes sense imo

[vital tapir]

i guess same for loatheb ? the dot gives me rage ?

[charred wadi]

but you have juiced up crit from the spore buff so you get more rage that way

[vital tapir]

patchwerk ? i take 0 dmg

[charred wadi]

details is generally useless for dmg breakdown imo. i prefer looking at cpm on logs. as long as buttons are used on cd you doing as well as one can expect

rest is optimised cd usage and having correct buffs and debuffs

[vital tapir]

i see

one last question, should i remove rampage and put 1 extra here if we alrdy have a feral ?

[charred wadi]

well then you dont ave 5% crit when your doing heroics, maybe 10mans or just goofing around in the open world/pvp

UW is incredibly minor. I would wager if you didnt even have it specced you wouldnt even notice a diff

[vital tapir]

oh i can just use second spec for rampage

i dont do anything else with it

[charred wadi]

If you have the luxuary of running double fury tree's then why not

[vital tapir]

cool, i wasnt sure how much extra rage it actually gives since it doesnt say

[charred wadi]

if you check the sapph log you linked earlier

UW provided 141 rage

[vital tapir]

oh, i guess 1 extra point is not that much

might as well not even bother

like what 1 or 2 extra casts i guess

how do i add another socket from my blacksmith ?

[charred wadi]

its a craft dud, check the trainer

405 skill required? there about

[vital tapir]

i have it in my gloves

i mean in the site

it just showing 1 socket not 2

[charred wadi]

Under settings then there is a box to change race and professions

[vital tapir]

oh

[charred wadi]

[vital tapir]

seems about right i guess

and uw with the last point is around 1 extra bt and 1 hs

[glossy grail]

How much defense do i need to tank hcs ?

[charred wadi]

Dont need to worry about it, use the best tank oriented gear you habe (block rating, block value, defense, parry, dodge, stam and str)

[open mauve]

Okay, serious question. Do I need to be sundering?

[uncut pasture]

For the prot warrior: Can anyone explain why in so many guides/builds talent points go into Deep Wounds but not in Cruelty? This obviously a dps and tps loss.

[charred wadi]

This is not a tps and dps loss, why the guides include impale & dw.

[forest ibex]

Prot gets 15% crit on their main abilities in like one talent in the prot tree lol

That’s why 5 talents for 5% crit isn’t really worth

[uncut pasture]

But 3 points for 48% of a fast weapons base dmg over 6 sec are worth it? You got to be kidding me.

[forest ibex]

What?

[charred wadi]

Thats ultimately guild politics. The debuff is a massive raid and personal dps increase so even if you dont value the team aspect you are self-cucking not having it up. My advice (as general as it can be):

5 sunders as solo dps warrior takes 7.5s assuming you will have the rage to use it as soon as gcd allows (5x 1.5). So thats your reference for comparison.

• Can 1x rogue get EA up quicker? Most likely yes. No rogue and solo warrior? Then you Sunder
• Prot warrior + 1 dps warrior in the raid? Sunder, regardless if you have rogue. Prot applies 2x stacks with Deva. 5 stacks up in 3s: 2 gcds for deva, 1 gcd for sunder
• 3 dps warriors? Sunder. 2 gcds each. Regardless if you have rogue
• 2 dps warriors? 3 gcds. coin flip if a rogue won't do it quicker

[forest ibex]

Weather it be through EA or sunder + ff, you need 30% armor debuff on the boss at all times

[charred wadi]

Show us the math why Deep Wounds is less tps & dps than 3% crit. If its feelscraft you do your thing, I can lend you a crayon.

[uncut pasture]

With Last Laugh from Kel'T. Deep Wounds dps is less than 25.
You can't tell me that a 5 or even a 3% crit increase do add less dps.

[charred wadi]

I mean you do you m8 its ait

If you crit thunder clap on 15 mobs and get deep wounds on even half its absolutely coked out tps and dps

#1 KT prot warrior log has DW account for almost 10% of his dmg or 360 dps. No way 3% crit will add more than 360. Dont even need to do crayon maths to confirm it

[uncut pasture]

Who is talking about trash? These builds are raid boss tuned.

[charred wadi]

Your trolling dude 😄

[uncut pasture]

Naah.
Seriously who does pick talents cause he is fighting trash or adds?

[forest ibex]

https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kwzLT8VY9nxjRr4b#fight=27&type=damage-done&source=12

Seems alright tbh

280dps

3% crit probably isn’t 280 dps, idk

This man is self calculating deep wound dps and doesn’t even know how it works lol

It also works like this on warmane so chances are this is how it’s working right now on classic

Maybe do some research before having a public freak out in this channel about 3 talent points lol

[uncut pasture]

Oh well. Yeah of course this changes everything.
Alright thanks for this explanation!

[hexed prism]

where can I find a correct BIS list for P1? I find different list everywhere x)

[long agate]

Is there any point at all in considering which proc trinket is in which slot? I assume they both can't proc at the same time, so assuming you pop CDs on pull the strongest proc effect would technically be best to put in the first slot - Or?

[forest ibex]

What spec?

Usually fight club has a bis list excel for every warrior spec

But tbh p1 gear is just a matter of ilvl and stat caps, so whatever you need to reach those

[hexed prism]

Fury 🙂

[forest ibex]

https://discord.com/channels/383596811517952002/1013562015895273493

[molten kestrel]

its ok using mail items? or i should focus plate?

[forest ibex]

Most mail items have intellect which is really bad

Probably equivalent to a pvp item

For a warrior

Leather and plate will be your best bet

[molten kestrel]

i would need for a leather or mail item if its a upgrade?

isn't there a stat bonus if i wear full plate?

[forest ibex]

Not yet

Not in wrath

I would recommend against needing for mail

[molten kestrel]

thanks mate

[rich hatch]

trash is just as much time spent in naxx than bosses are lol

you're trolling if you think trash clear isn't important

[forest ibex]

Naxx has a shitton of trash

[slender shuttle]

Does anyone know the parry chance of mobs at 80, 81 and 82?

[dawn pivot]

whats a good specc for lvling from 62 and at end game?

[vast turtle]

Hey! anyone knows whats the best for me? i have Betrayer of Humanity (25 man nax) and Black Ice (10 man eoe) but i dont know wich i should use on main hand and wich on offhand. i read that the one with highest dps should be in main hand but dont we miss the Dual Wield Specialization talent? that gives 25% more damage to offhands?

[fiery ferry]

Betrayer main hand

[forest ibex]

Offhand untalented does -50% damage iirc

[vast turtle]

oh so with talent it still does -25% dmg?

[charred wadi]

Cant use polearm with titans grip sir

[stoic bramble]

Uh. Yes you can

[charred wadi]

Ye bud but its a bug in the classic client

You gain nothign from it, quite the opposite

Polearm = not a thing for fury

[stoic bramble]

More so was speaking to the fact you said he can’t. You absolutely can but like it shows it’s absolutely not the right play because of the bug.

[uncut pasture]

Does Cruelty (+5% crit) affect Thunderclap and Shield Slam?

[split urchin]

I cant acces that link

[charred wadi]

Its semantics dud. Didn't mean you can't physically do it in the game, but can't as in it won't work advantagous for your gameplay

[stoic bramble]

Always best to clarify for some as he may not have known. 👍🏼

[uncut pasture]

No one knows?

[charred wadi]

Cruelty effects shield slam and thunderclap. Thunderclap considered ranged attack.

[uncut pasture]

Okay. Was wondering cause someone said it would't cause the tooltip sais "melee weapons".

[uncut pasture]

👍

[tawdry karma]

I've been looking at the patchwerk logs for high-parsing Arms to see how they perform their rotations relative to the guides (icy and wowhead) and i'm seeing some inconsistencies that it would be great to understand (if anyone can help). Here's an example high parse (https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/reports/t6bmMd9q3VgBGL74#type=damage-done&fight=3&source=26&view=timeline).

• He/she is using heroic throw (not in the rotation guide)
• He/she is regularly using both Mortal Strike and Slam (I thought we just spammed Slam as our filler when we have the 2pc and at t7 / low gear)
• There is no sunder from the warrior and in-fact no sunder effect from any warrior or rogue in the pull (https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/reports/t6bmMd9q3VgBGL74#type=auras&fight=3&spells=debuffs&by=target)

I'm trying to figure out whether I should ignore the guides, go 3/3 mortal strike (instead of incite) and introduce Heroic Throw into my rotation. Also - I'm really confused why these guilds aren't asking someone to sunder. Any thoughts would be appreciated

(im trying to parse well because im competing with one other warrior for the only dps warrior spot in our raid)

[charred wadi]

• The wowhead guide is a stepping stone, nuances to minmax will not be covered in the scope of these guides. Can't recall if Heroic Throw is off GCD but it has no minimum range so excellent choice to fill free gaps or free GCDs. Arms warrior used it twice so its hardly a priority and its 1min CD anyways. Added 38 dps. Seems like doing first one as you run in but before you connect is good choice.
• There are two suggested builds. One with Inicite and the other subspeccing further in to Fury. The arms warrior in the linked log is 55/8/8.
• No Sunder/EA is definitely yikes, even good guilds can be sloppy but doesn't look as bad when you kill the boss in 2minutes.
• Regarding seemingly prioritizing Slam/other over MS is true. CPM on MS is barely 6. It could be 10 as its a 6s cd. Do note that Slam casts matches TfB procs: 17 TfB vs 21 slam casts. Only used 4 extra Slams as filler. If that is "Spam" I dont know if I can say
• Compare to the current #1 Arms rank for PW. By the guy who has written the guides: https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/reports/FYC6QbX4dx72jrVW#fight=13&type=damage-done&source=25 MS cpm at 6.5, 17 TfB, 19 Slams. They also have Sunder so the linked example is clearly a misplay. Evanlyn didn't use Heroic Throw and still got #1 so it is not a deal breaker.

[hexed prism]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuLkZBhn1nQ ???

[tawdry karma]

@charred wadi thanks! very helpful.

[eager oxide]

hey guys, what's the best chest between these two for fury warrior ? wowhead and others says the the plate is better than the leather one but why ?

isn't the armor pen better then crit rating ?

[forest ibex]

Probably depends on your current hit cap situation

But yes crit is going to be better than arpen since you have very little arpen this phase

[charred wadi]

See the stat section under fury or arms guides on wowhwead

[tawdry karma]

Any reason why the top rank Arms https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/reports/FYC6QbX4dx72jrVW#fight=13&type=damage-done&source=25 wouldn't

• use Shattering Throw? (e.g. on pull with Heroism or during execute range)
• use Recklessness? (e.g. just before a bladestorm or as tfb procs)

[charred wadi]

Not sure if Reck shows up in the log if you pop it before combat actually begins, but I woul expect to see it fade in the combat log. Can't give a good answer!
Regarding ST I think its safe to say its worth 100% worth on paper but figuring out how to use optimally is the challenge. I would guess and chalk it up to just week 1 things. A bit lazy or simply focusing on other stuff

[forest ibex]

It might be a dps loss for the caster

precasting is usually the play but you need some coordination for that

[hasty bloom]

Fiery weapon enchant new bis?

[thin marsh]

Thought it'd be more alive in here with the firey weapon stuff going on

Came in to ask if Deep Prot benefits from it too instead of Mongoose.

[hasty bloom]

Same, from what I read it looks like double fiery on weapons with some Fiery gauntlet item being the new best pair of gloves. Im not 100% tho.

[thin marsh]

I'm not seeing anything online about Deep Wound procs having any sort of threat multiplier

So it probably isn't better for prot

Unless the dps is higher than with mongoose.

[forest ibex]

Prot likes the crit and dodge and haste from mongoose

And armor I guess

Deep wounds should be threat multiplied by defensive stance

[thin marsh]

Yeah but other than the defensive stance multiplier that applies to everything it gets nothing else afaik

[forest ibex]

Yea that would be not good for the dps specs if it did

[drifting token]

yo does anyone know if arms is really better than fury? I've seen a lot of warriors making the swap lately and even though I'm still missing quite some gear arms does not feel great to me

[glass silo]

pretty sure the dps difference isnt that big rn

moreso matters if your raid needs the blood frenzy buff from arms

[verbal horizon]

no

what rly matters is, whats more fun to you
both specs are near bottom atm

[rich hatch]

No

[prime bridge]

Hey guys, what is this new meme all about?

[rich hatch]

Fiery is a thing because it's basically a means to roll your deep wounds more

[thin marsh]

You guys should probably pin a comment about the fiery plate stuff and have a bot mention it when someone types a keyword.

[rich hatch]

There's recent logs using it you can check. It's not really a crazy DPS gain. Simmers are estimating 80-400 DPS. The latter being during p4 tho

[thin marsh]

Gunna have a lot of people asking about it lol

[rich hatch]

This discord isn't very active with classic stuff tho. Fight Club has more discussion involving that

It's also something that falls off in aoe

But it's a ST increase

And cheaper than berserking

[glass silo]

I’d say fiery wep is worth it, but the gloves probably not lol

[open mauve]

The proc rate on the gloves is supposed to be very high. So if means more deep wound uptime it might just be worth

[lapis seal]

hey guys

question about tank warrior

Shield Wall Glyph is the way to go for raiding, right?

i think you just have waaay too little options without it

i cant stop thinking about putting it everytime i see the huge cd

what glyphs are you running in general?

I have to take out either 2 target SunderArmor or 3 target Cleave

[thin marsh]

Why are you using sunder armor as a tank?

Devastate is just a better sunder armor.

[thin marsh]

Did you mean to say Devastate?

[lapis seal]

the glyph is called

sunder armor

but applies with devastate too ofc

its the one where it sunders 2 targets instead of just main target

[scarlet saffron]

is fury suppose to be using sunder for boss fights if no other warrior is present?

[lapis seal]

yes

[scarlet saffron]

Do you ever use it in dungeons due to fight length? or is it mostly just value in raids?

[lapis seal]

that i cant answer

in raids for sure you would want 20% armor reduction

[scarlet saffron]

gotcha, thanks!

[regal horizon]

we need spec channels for wotlk...

this wotlk discussion channel aint cuttin it

[forest ibex]

That’s more of a fight club thing

[verbal horizon]

nvm im just stupid

[ocean kettle]

stuff dies too fast in dungeons, just shattering throw for burst but dont waste globals getts sunder up

you can always just fill an open global if you have one tho why not

but you'd rather just slam

[forest ibex]

Shattering throw is a 5 min CD Right?

[vestal raven]

yes

[obsidian sundial]

i cant see any of the top parses using sunder is it worth using?

[forest ibex]

https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/reports/FYC6QbX4dx72jrVW#fight=13&type=casts&source=25 did u look?

https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Agyd2xtvh9L7b3fC#fight=19&type=casts&source=33 this guy used sunder and shattering

[obsidian sundial]

aha found the setting on wcl thanks dude

was looking through the logs and was like wtf

cheers

[forest ibex]

https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/reports/vaV7ZYhDgbHm29Nt#fight=30&type=auras&spells=debuffs&by=target

Here’s a top fury log where I couldn’t find anyone casting sunder or EA, but someone must’ve because it shows to have been a debuff up on the boss

[raw vapor]

was the tank a warrior

[forest ibex]

Nah

[vital tapir]

is 7% hit bad even with the 3% talent ? i just got tier shoulders but lose hit

[forest ibex]

Yeah I just couldn’t see it on their individual casts

By player, not by spell

[fossil needle]

Ah, shows on the timeline

[forest ibex]

Whatever means necessary you need 8% hit

[vital tapir]

oh ok. i got scared i had 7% but i forgot about the 3% from talents, idk if its showed in the ui or not since it just said 7%

[forest ibex]

Just do (hit rating)/30.7548

Then add 3%, just to make sure

[vital tapir]

so im actually 10.6% ?

[forest ibex]

Yeah

Can also check a log to see if you’ve missed anything(if you’re arms and only in pve)

[vital tapir]

im fury

forgot to mention i guess

[forest ibex]

Then you would specifically need to check your yellow hits individually in a pve log, if you’re still worried

[vital tapir]

can i go check that in dummy ?

[forest ibex]

Yeah u can log a dummy

Might need to attack for like 3+ mins but you should be okay

[vital tapir]

i think details shows this too right ?

[forest ibex]

Idk

[vast turtle]

is there any official info about the fiery thing being fixed?

[vital tapir]

@forest ibexi dont see yellow misses but i do see some whites from time to time