#arms

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thick hamlet
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some abilities didn't get the compensation buff it seems?

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slam for example

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or did i miss something

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i did actually miss something, slam is there

dire hinge
quasi torrent
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+1600

reef glade
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(tighnari c3)

quasi torrent
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wtf c3

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that's king

gaunt owl
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i do scale my nuts

dire hinge
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people asked for warriors to scale, and they'll get Dracthyr warriors soon

quasi torrent
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please dont use the s word

dire hinge
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soon™️?

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we will get Scaley Warriors though, that's for sure FingerGuns

quasi torrent
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dont care as long as i cant fight in visage form

dire hinge
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big true

quasi torrent
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visage form however is fucking great

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Idk why they put in that many customizations

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to make it unusable in combat

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make shit like fire breath how it works for dh

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where they transform shortly for the spell

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like leap and eye beam for dh

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Like surely that cant be too hsrd...

dry frost
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Dude every race should be as customisable as visage form

quaint cosmos
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so tww tuning that just happened whas arms been buffed or nerfed?

dry frost
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They Removed the 43% aura arms had and buffed abilities accordingly

gaunt owl
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Blizzard are doing a twister on your ass

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just to confuse your shenanigans

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in the end it wont even matter

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its gonna give the tier set a little bit more pewpew normally

zealous pivot
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i like how the expansion recap url is literally labeled "upsell"

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and just has u wait with a message that patreon users have diff queue

gaunt owl
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you know whats fucking funny

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we wanted to start filling the spreadsheet with sim and all that starting tonight in EU

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i'm going out with the boys and all that for beer so we delayed it

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and blizzard drop the news of balance

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i'm just glad we didnt do all this work tonight

zealous pivot
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moral of the story

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procrastinate

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profit???

gaunt owl
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YES

dreamy egret
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are they legit smoking crack ?

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ap coefficent by 100% almost what?

gaunt owl
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yes Bob

zealous pivot
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didnt read the whole notes

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recipe for the highest highs and lowest lows

dreamy egret
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I was already doing 700k in mythic plus

gaunt owl
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the collateral of not reading the all news

zealous pivot
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^

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also, rookie numbers

gaunt owl
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exactly

zealous pivot
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we'll wait here while you read the whole thing bob

tranquil forge
gaunt owl
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prepatch is one of the most cursed time ever

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blizzard trying to fine tune shit

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while we are working on sim and gameplay

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and we get hit with one left hook out of nowhere

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and people get more confused for no reason

zealous pivot
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moral?

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dont think just zug

dreamy egret
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how did we get hit with a left hook they buffed everything ?

gaunt owl
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always ZUG

olive nest
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Damnit bob

zealous pivot
olive nest
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👓

zealous pivot
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they literally did nothing

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but break RA

gaunt owl
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but people still cant even

olive nest
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-50% aura buff
+50% to each ability individually

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Except the forgotten ones

zealous pivot
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i thought thats fury

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ours was 45% no?

olive nest
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Well yes

zealous pivot
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which is why fury got screwed on shared abilities

olive nest
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Was speaking generally

zealous pivot
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ah yes

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further confusion will ensue

olive nest
zealous pivot
gaunt owl
zealous pivot
dreamy egret
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but we received 50% to all abilities so thats a 7% net gain.

gaunt owl
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yes but no

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blizzard did a twisteroo

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dont think about it

untold trench
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I am sure they will adjust it with new mods, now that a new baseline has been established peepoBlush

zealous pivot
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your math aint mathin, it was a 43% gain

dreamy egret
zealous pivot
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fury did for fury abilities because they lost a 50% aura buff

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arms abilities and shared ones had seperate aura buffs and were adjusted accordingly

gaunt owl
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because i got mortal stroked 30% less

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what blizzard did is the same

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they are triyng to give a 0 base aura buff

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to make tuning easier for the patch to come

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and now i know that i should have explained this in reverse

dull siren
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that +30 @daring heron

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went hard

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OMEGALUL

zealous pivot
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will it ever work if you dont have patreon? lol

dull siren
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i dont have patreon

hazy flower
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Took me 1,5h to generate

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Multiple tries

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Also shit wifi

zealous pivot
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i feel like ive been waiting for like half an hour

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might be able to do it faster manually at this rate

hazy flower
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@dull siren my s3 comp got overshadowed

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With s4 shenanigans

zealous pivot
hazy flower
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Less meta-y

reef glade
hazy flower
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Good ol’ s3

quick vale
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hey all, are the talent builds on Wowhead good to use or is there a better source?

teal fossil
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It’s good

eternal edge
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good to use

boreal quartz
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actually so critcake

hazy flower
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Halls of valor 2nd

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Blasphemy

boreal quartz
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i farmed a LOT of trinket on mage

thick kelp
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Thought for a moment u were the prot warrior

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Damn

boreal quartz
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i was i think critcake

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but i ran like 10 keys in s4

coarse glade
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Guys is it possible to cross faction quest in tww?

ornate eagle
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that was always possible (always implying since cross faction became a thing)

quasi torrent
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? its not

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open world shit doesnt work xfaction

midnight mural
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wtf just happend...

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was something fucky with the modifiers yesterday or something?

thick kelp
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nothing new just

boreal quartz
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strong pad rlly long kill

midnight mural
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long long long kill lol

boreal quartz
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hes 1:30 longer than my kill a month ago

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crit rng seems average

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p2 seems very strong

ebon hollow
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Did they buff us again?

woven wasp
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there were no buffs

boreal quartz
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so stuff starts at +/-0% in wawi

sage rampart
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wawi

latent moss
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sometimes we pug a dps if tank isnt playing

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so we play arms prot pala sp random healer

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man brewmaster is funny

hazy flower
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Tbf I dont think I played that comp almost at all in the last few weeks

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We gigablasted in fall

latent moss
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holy shit

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mortal strike is 304% ap

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onslaught hits harder than ms

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demolish is 1100% ap chatting

fossil thistle
fossil thistle
midnight mural
fossil thistle
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Fair

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Was saving all his luck for the big juice

tacit cedar
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so the hotfixes yesterday were just to zero out the aura buff on beta right or was it something different

pseudo kiln
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How do we get the season 4 recap?

gilded trail
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Link your account on raiderio

pseudo kiln
gilded trail
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Np! You can also mention your main and alt

hushed crow
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In Cata is mastery something I should be focusing?

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Or crit

hushed crow
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Tury

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Ty

reef glade
midnight mural
frigid lava
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What trinks do u guys use for higher M+ when survivabilities are in question

boreal quartz
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You dont need rageheart

frigid lava
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I tought about using rageheart

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I have hard time staying alive in ULD last boss

boreal quartz
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Reflect the dot

frigid lava
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which one

bleak coyote
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There is only one dot

frigid lava
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"Time Sink" ?

bleak coyote
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Yes

frigid lava
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Hmmm... any good way to time it?

bleak coyote
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Like

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4.5sec before time sink press SR

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And then just smack on cd before 2nd one

frigid lava
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Maybe i don't have the timer :0

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what addon

bleak coyote
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Uh idk bigwigs

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M+ timers wa

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No clue

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I got lots of shit on my screen

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It just works

frigid lava
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i have dbm.... wonder they will conflict

bleak coyote
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No clue I dont use dbm but it should be telling you about the boss timers

boreal quartz
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You want either not both

bleak coyote
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If its not then just delete it

boreal quartz
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BW does show it

frigid lava
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would u recommend bw over dbm?

bleak coyote
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Most people I know have it that way (if not all)

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Test for yourself

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Either way

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U can always come back to dbm

frigid lava
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ty

sly venture
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I always forget rend refresh when skullsplitter killed my favorite spec

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who actually like skullsplitter

supple oyster
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I like it but i would have prefered it to be less present in the rotation

sly venture
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Will we play Skullsplitter and Demolish for TWW?

supple oyster
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You can check the FAQ-Beta to have the temporary talent

cobalt sinew
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was there anybody bothered or upset or even a little butthurt about fury gaining access to bladestorm

untold pewter
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Max searching for Critcake to talk about warriors for his tier list stream right now kek

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Someone call him! keks

minor gust
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I like TWW sks a lot it's just another button to press instead of falling asleep with MS OP and slam

smoky kayak
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I actually enjoy it as well, breaks up the Slam spam

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but Slam really needs some kind of streak protection

teal fossil
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Wym by that

manic stirrup
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something to stop you from hitting slam 3-4 times in a row if you dont get tactician

soft dew
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Slam is clearly far from a fun button to press

untold pewter
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It's just a shitty filler but at least it serves a purpose

manic stirrup
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i mean

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i wouldnt say any ability is more or less fun in general

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whether the filler is slam whirlwind or whatever else

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filler is filler

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raging blow for example is no more fun to press than slam IMO

teal fossil
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There’s always gonna be a bottom filler

nova marsh
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Make slam give a haste buff

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it'll be a furious blow that costs rage keks

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...that hurts just to think about

smoky kayak
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honestly I think Slam is fine as it is - I'd hate to tie a mechanic to it that ends up making you press Slam instead of MS/OP/Execute

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it's supposed to be a low-prio filler, and there's nothing wrong with that; the only issue is when you end up having to press it multiple times in a row because nothing else is available, so I'd just look at some way of fixing that

  • make Slam reduce the CD of MS by 1 GCD every time it's pressed (so you'd never press Slam more than twice before MS comes off CD)
  • give Slam a 2x increased chance to trigger Tactician (e.g. instead of 20 * 2 = 40% chance, make it 20 * 2 * 2 = 80% chance just for Slam - that would give you a very high likelihood of getting an extra Overpower instead of repeatedly using Slam)
zealous pivot
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archi for pres

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got my vote

manic stirrup
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based archim

crystal umbra
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I think it would be neat if Slam had altering animations if you use it consecutively.

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Maybe even extend that to Overpower.

manic stirrup
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bro panda slam animation goes pretty hard

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ppl hate on panda until they see me stylin on the enemies

teal fossil
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i like the 2nd one

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the first one could have some reprecussions down the line of it being better than OP

manic stirrup
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theres already tech for the 2nd one

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why not both

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seems legit

smoky kayak
smoky kayak
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since it naturally loses value if OP isn't on cooldown

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I kinda prefer the first because it's more predictable, and the second does kinda over-emphasize Overpower

But I like the second one because it doesn't devalue EB/Battlelord

teal fossil
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Yeah the first one reducing CDs can devalue EB/BL is my fear

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2nd one can definitely overvalue OP

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but that shouldnt be an issue if it was a choice node vs a strong op talent

crystal umbra
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I know it might be a lot of work for Blizzard to throw in extra animations for stuff like that, but I can dream.

old urchin
nova marsh
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Like we kinda need something that makes it there but also to the point where there's no realistic case where you hit it multiple times

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Just wait till 12.0 where we get champion talents

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And blizz will solve it

teal fossil
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well you are always going to have a worst filler

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just like how for demon hunter, once you talent out of demons bite your worst filler becomes chaos strike

nova marsh
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It's kinda the nature of fillers

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The issue with arms is lowkey evreything still kinda feels filler besides MS and exe

teal fossil
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the alternative is either to emphasize OP like in DF or to flood with MS casts

nova marsh
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yeah DF went too far, I think TWW is kind of trying to be a happy middle ground and in many ways is

teal fossil
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optimally I want to press 1 slam every other MS

nova marsh
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Slam existing is healthy for arms

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Instead of us....using TC instead critcake

austere river
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bloodmallet is not showing any data atm, does races factor how much nowadays on warrior performance, considering if i should swap to mag'har just for the looks 😄

manic stirrup
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races dont matter rlly for dps

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only if u wanna be a dwarf or nelf for m+

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otherwise play what race you want

austere river
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ye meld would be a thing to miss i know

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  • there is the fact that mag'har racials are pretty much null, only one with any meaning doesnt lineup with anything....but the looks 😄
smoky kayak
# austere river bloodmallet is not showing any data atm, does races factor how much nowadays on ...

Like most resources, Bloodmallet is skipping pre-patch, but will be back in swing for TWW proper (at least Season 1)

  • the real recommendation is to just play what you like - you're the one who is going to have to stare at it for hours on end, so you might as well enjoy what you're looking at
  • mechagnome (somewhat gimmicky), human, dwarf/tauren, and sometimes troll are generally good options, though the dps difference between high and low races is usually within 1-1.5%, which is not worth race changing over
  • utility racials are situationally more important than damage: shadowmeld for dropping aggro, dwarf for tanking, human for getting out of stuns, and every now and again there's an encounter which encourages troll/void elf/etc, though those things usually get hotfixed before the vast majority of players reach them
austere river
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Yea meld can be really strong, do we have any idea yet if the m+ dungs have alot of mechanics where it is strong, like the double dragon boss at whatchamacallit time dung where you avoid the green ball that needs to be passed around

tepid spruce
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Could I run Champions Spear instead of Colossus?

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Or would that be a waste

latent moss
teal fossil
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thats why unhinged is bad

latent moss
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u can buff unhinged

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well with ravager

minor gust
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Unhinged also casts op and exe before the MS

civic briar
smoky kayak
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unhinged casts every ability all at once

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perfectly executes your entire rotation in order every other tick

civic briar
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now thats some core gameplay right there

teal fossil
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built in hekili on ravager

uncut tangle
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also does your taxes for you

slow saddle
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i mean just buff tactician proccs that nerf + rage spending nerf at once is dumba

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also change EB to the passive one we had in SL

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Buff Standart MS nerf the buff OP gives to MS

twilit tulip
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guys arms will be better in raid now?

untold pewter
# twilit tulip guys arms will be better in raid now?

What are you asking?
Better than DF? About the same performance-wise
Better than Fury? No, not with the current tuning passes
Better playstyle in raids? Highly personal, some like colossus some hate it, most folks like slayer though

twilit tulip
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@untold pewterthanks

grave mulch
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How accurate is this??

verbal marten
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100%

untold pewter
# grave mulch How accurate is this??

The list is not as relevant as the comments
I recommend watching the VOD and checking the reasoning given by the folks that talked about each class/hero talent

compact geyser
untold trench
gaunt owl
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kindly fuck off with that Furry video

fringe moon
untold pewter
untold trench
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Why? Numbers still good dam

gaunt owl
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gameplay shite but dmg is still okay

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but well stop looking at tier list

sacred zodiac
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@gaunt owl why?

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tier lists are 100% factual sources of information

gaunt owl
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its Max so off course its 100% facts

livid cloak
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Is making an @ player ravager macro okay? Is there any major reason not to use that?

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I don't wanna accidentally throw one into neverland because I lost my cursor for a sec

untold trench
livid cloak
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Kk ty!

quiet yacht
slow saddle
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Ret is not bad at all

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they are 100% sandbaggin, ive at least seen in M+ them keeping up with warrior

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so if warrior isnt horrid then nor is ret

manic stirrup
reef glade
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Even in tierlist aug and mage are at the top…

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never escaping the god comp..

tribal sedge
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So I didn't realize that worldbreaker is not what we use in m plus. I saw it on wowhead and thought it was a mistake. Did they change blunt instruments? why all of a sudden is it better than colossal smashing everything in an 8 yard range?

manic stirrup
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cleave applies deep wounds, blunt instruments gives you A LOT of prio damage

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and you get haste longer from in for the kill

tribal sedge
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Thanks for the info. Is Ravager better than bladestorm or is it a preference thing?

manic stirrup
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i personally think ravager is always better

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some ppl run bladestorm but i disagree with that

latent moss
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always better

tribal sedge
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I am probably one of the few that likes bladestorm feel it is very arms defining but with fury having it I guess not so much now. I would always do what is better damage though. So if it is ravager I will play it

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What is the best way to sim aor/m plus talents in raid bots?

manic stirrup
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honestly man the expansion is like a week away you can run bladestorm

dim lodge
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anyone got a tl;dr of impact on yesterdays war tuning?

tacit crystal
violet haven
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can anyone send PVP build for arms please?

livid cloak
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There's a pvp channel and a pvp build on wowhead, would be your best bets

violet haven
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oh thank you mate ^^

livid cloak
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👍👍

spice roost
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Arms or fury for leveling through ww?

reef glade
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Fury more health more heal surely impossible to die

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But doesn’t matter whatever you like

uncut pasture
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does anyone know how Sweeping Strikes chooses it's second target? i always thought it was lowest hp in range but now i'm not sure

tacit crystal
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Does it matter who it hits, if you are at 2 targets its hitting your second and past 3 you are cleaving no?

rare kite
uncut pasture
uncut pasture
teal fossil
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Yeah you don’t want to hard cast it on a dying target too in case it dies during cs

tacit crystal
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So why does it matter what sweeping strike targets, for dreadnaught you would just want the extra overpower wave, even though i think it was removed, and for collat you would just want ss to be used to get your cleave to to do increased damage

uncut pasture
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for m+ i always sent CS on a healthy target thinking SS would cleave it to something <35% for the extra haste from IftK (it doesn't do that ;-;)

rare kite
dire hinge
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it can be useful if you're trying to apply damage to a priority target. For example, if you have a low-health mob near a priority target, you could sweeping strikes and execute the low-HP target and try and get the Swept Strike to hit your priority target.
It does affect the direction of your dreadnauts as well (it wasn't removed, it was just turned into a choice node)

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this is not a scientifically accurate picture, but for illustrating the difference positioning can make:

  • If you're Mommy's Favorite Little Zug Zug and you go up to a pack with Sweeping Strikes active and cast Dreadnaught (or "DN"), it will target your primary target and closest nearby target (both indicated with black X's).
  • DN originates from your character and goes in a straight line towards your target and through them in a line (though it does have some width to it, so i made them rectangles).
  • Depending on which mobs you're nearest to, your swept DN can miss a portion of the pack.
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you can't always hit every member of the pack, but it's something to be roughly concious of

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(also overlapped DNs can hit the same target twice, so you can double dip if things are stacked)

smoky kayak
smoky kayak
dire hinge
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Gotta put my art degree from 15yr ago to use

sterile linden
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Quick question, where can I find the AOE build for arms?

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I don’t see it in the pins.

graceful axle
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wowhead icyveins maxroll

stable fiber
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🤤

smoky kayak
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wowiceroll

grand idol
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Maxheadveins

lament star
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How's arms feeling for m+ and heroic raids? Don't plan on doing smhigher than like +8s or so and heroic raiding

keen parcel
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8s no longer give you mythic track gear. If you want that you’ll need to hit up 10s

minor gust
lament star
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I've never found fury fun but I did check it out on beta, still felt kinds meh to me

dire hinge
keen parcel
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Looks like 9s just gets you gilded crests. Youll still need 10s for mythic from the vault

dire hinge
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ah 9s for crests, nvm yee

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whoopsie doo

lament star
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8s get ksm?

latent moss
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how many affixes do u have in 10s

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10s rotate right

dire hinge
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I haven't done the math on KSM yet, but you'll likely get it with a mix of various keylevels (some higher, some lower)

latent moss
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fort tyran and that xalatath affix

lament star
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I think 10s are all 4?

quiet yacht
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hows arms gamplay wise?

dire hinge
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pretty chill. There are some things to be aware of here and there, just like any spec, but in both Raid and M+ it's relatively simple to pick up and do well with

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Slayer especially will be pretty passive
Colossus you just gotta look out for the channeled root on Demolish

quiet yacht
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sweet

boreal quartz
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The new keys look omega unpuggable

latent moss
sleek lichen
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algun latino?

frigid lava
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prot hits hard

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but somehow not that fun :0

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MS got nerfed so much it feels like shield slam

latent moss
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very intelligent nerf

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lets remove the one cool thing about colossus

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and make ms on slayer even more miserable

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crazy

sly venture
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or 4 slams in a row gameplay

tidal wraith
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All buttons are slam

opal wind
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With warrior it all comes down to fulfilling your particular class fantasy. I've never liked fury because I prefare slow and big hits with 2h weapon

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also fury is high apm

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arms is simply slower, more relaxed gameplay.. until you play solo shuffle arena

sly venture
reef glade
gilded trail
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Let me take some notes

naive garden
thick kelp
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Fury is way easier

latent moss
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fury is send and forget

thick kelp
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Same number of buttons for rotation but 100x more forgiving for mistakes

naive garden
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Ahh

thick kelp
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But the difficutly gap is only on the forgivness part

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Both specs have extremely simple 123 rotation

naive garden
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Gotcha

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Ty

opal wind
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fury requires more clicks per minute haha

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arms is slower rota

signal escarp
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Which of them is stronger tho?

gilded trail
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Fury

signal escarp
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So fury is easier, stronger and more forgiving?

gilded trail
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Yes

signal escarp
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nice

gilded trail
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You can play fury with your eyes closed

signal escarp
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Coming from DH, maybe searching for a new class

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Depending on the Changes to the Hero Talents of DH

latent moss
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arms does a lil bit more st

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thats it

signal escarp
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So DH and Fury can be compared?

gilded trail
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But in terms of surviving, fury it’s better

latent moss
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against rot yeah

gilded trail
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Aoe fury is better

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Or the difference it’s not that much

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But you can play w/e you want

latent moss
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arms is a lot more proactive with defensives

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u need to anticipate a hit and use defensives

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fury just lives

gilded trail
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True

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Like I said

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But try both @signal escarp

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And then you have a conclusion

signal escarp
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My 70 warrior is stuck in pandaria remix.. gotta wait a bit until i can test him

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or is pandaria comparable gameplay wise?

latent moss
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to beta not at all

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or wait

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is remix prepatch gameplay

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or is it DF

signal escarp
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I think prepatch

gilded trail
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You can play with your remix character once remix is over

shadow crescent
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is rotation changing from prepatch to tww?

sly venture
grave mulch
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its updated

smoky kayak
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it's in the process of being updated, there'll be some cleanup over the next day or two

grave mulch
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Yep! just seen it . Looks good so far! lots of goodies to chill and look at

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Slayer is just better over all for raid and M+?

smoky kayak
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ye, just disclaimer because there will likely be some odd bits standing out

grave mulch
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oh ofcourse

smoky kayak
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Colossus and Slayer are very close in multitarget rn, kinda comes down to situation, timing, & circumstance

grave mulch
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Fair point. Ive been looking forward to slayer. The play style looks cool and i feel it fits nice with arms

smoky kayak
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Course a lot of stuff is also still getting updated, polished, hotfixed, bug fixed, etc, so expect at least a little bit of flipflopping all the way up through Season 1 launch before things settle down

tiny dock
#

will i get carpal tunnel playing fury?

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or will TWW slow it down at all

#

woops I thought I was clicked on the fury channel 😵‍💫

boreal quartz
tiny dock
thick kelp
#

Smth that wont give u carpal tunnel

gaunt owl
#

Natural hand position for you

#

As neutral as it can be

#

And stop doing 300 apm its not Starcraft

smoky kayak
gaunt owl
#

Can do some hand exercise

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Its really overlooked

thick kelp
#

Lifting weights

boreal quartz
#

Also rb on mouse is ass

#

Turbo fucks ur hand

untold trench
edgy solstice
#

it's mostly repetitive unnatural hand motions that cause the strain. keep your hand comfy and straight and don't let the edge of your desk or whatever your hand is resting on press into your wrist

tiny dock
tiny dock
river light
#

Does anyone know why they took away the cool legion animation for Warbreaker? And can we please have a Glyph for that?

gaunt owl
#

And we are mad about this

smoky kayak
river light
edgy solstice
#

I kinda wish cleave got a VU

#

Something that indicates the area of it outside of damage numbers and repetition

thorn tulip
#

do u only use mortal strike and op during ss in aoe

frigid lava
#

Hmmm

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Not really

#

Cleave still hits like truck

#

but do use MS when target isn't too many

#

Sweet collateral damage

thorn tulip
#

so what number should i use ss

#

targets

gaunt owl
#

2 and up

wanton sierra
uncut pasture
wanton sierra
thorn tulip
#

oh that makes sense

uncut pasture
# wanton sierra why your rend is low?

more than likely it's an Algethar Academy key since first pull with plants makes it super easy to spread Deep Wounds with Ravager and Cleave (and Warbreaker since he's talented into it), but harder to spread Rend since it only applies to 5 targets at a time with Thunder Clap

frigid lava
#

Yea i don't really bother too much with rend when the targets are so many.

thorn tulip
#

thats alotta ms dmg

frigid lava
#

It's the entire run. not just the first pull.

edgy solstice
#

uncap blood and thunder pls ty

frigid lava
#

it's tyrannical week so MS is high

olive nest
#

Let me introduce you to my friend blood and thunder

#

Good guy truly

novel stump
#

How f'd am I: I never put rend on my bar at all because I can just have thunderclap on there to apply rend

frigid lava
#

i just use tc too

uncut pasture
#

or keep a macro like this -

#showtooltip
/cast [nochanneling, known:Thunder Clap] Thunder Clap; Rend

olive nest
#

Works great

weak wave
#

Why is now Bladestorm better for ST than Ravager?

gilded trail
#

is not ravager more versatile ability also suitable against single targets?

weak wave
#

Sorry?

graceful axle
#

slayer talents benefit bladestorm

weak wave
#

So no Ravager anymore?

graceful axle
#

i dont think so if you run slayer, i'm not sure what slayer aoe talents look like

livid crow
#

slayer you are forced into bladestorm, colossus can use ravager

gilded trail
#

forget to mention colossus yeah

weak wave
#

Okay thanks 🙂

west wasp
#

21st is when tww is public right?

weak wave
#
  1. on EU
livid crow
#

23rd with early access

west wasp
#

;3

slow saddle
#

so reset wednesday when they could jsut start it

#

they wont

summer quartz
#

sucks you cant use ravager when spec'd into slayer. Feels like an oversight, but eh, whatever.

minor gust
#

not really

#

if you could use ravager as slayer bladestorm would be dead

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because ravager is just so much better

summer quartz
#

word? dang.

summer elbow
#

hellow guys.. updating to play atm.. how is warrior dps looking so far for tww? any changes? thanks

dire hinge
summer elbow
#

as usual at start of exp

dire hinge
#

Yeah, there's nothing to be too alarmed about right now

summer elbow
#

what are the best dps specs atm? or the ones looking op?

#

i read something about mages

dire hinge
#

yeah, mage/shaman/dk

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but it's all subject to change, and actual performance may vary so

#

take everything with a grain of salt and go after what you like playing

worldly kernel
#

haven't been around got the news we got some buffs

dire hinge
worldly kernel
#

i was just reading it, glanced over it briefly I skimmed over the aura negation

dire hinge
#

haha yeah no worries there, very easy to miss it ❤️

unborn canyon
#

nah we got buffs, cause everyone else got nerfed

summer shore
#

is BI over WB in m+ now?

uncut tangle
#

you can go wb for alot more aoe, but blunt gives alot of ST, without losing too much aoe. Because IFTK matches CS duration, Blunt becomes insane

thick kelp
#

Wouldnt call the 2% aoe gain "alot"

minor gust
#

WB is dead

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taken out back and shot

daring heron
#

WB didnt change

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blunt just started lifting

thick kelp
#

Blunt hit 150kg on bench

minor gust
#

Blunt got the gains and beat the shit out of WB

fickle lotus
untold trench
#

If warbreaker bad, then maybe demolish should cast break on cast

quaint otter
#

Wb+demolish sounds massive

slow saddle
#

100 % First swing of demo should be WB

#

dmg obviously should be the same as now on ability

#

but just the dopamine of knowing u WB first and get the iftk buff as well

#

would be so nice

brittle fiber
#

hey could someone help me with this macro? trying to merge heroic throw and skullsplitter into one

#showtooltip
/target [@mouseover, harm, nodead]
/cast Heroic Throw
/cast [known:Skullsplitter] Skullsplitter

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i basically just want it to alternate between heroic throwing out of melee range and skullsplitter in melee like the charge/victory rush macro

thorn tulip
#

what changed to make u use Roar before CS/WB

boreal quartz
#

Dot is dynamic and extra GCD in CS matters more

latent moss
#

weve been using roar before cs for a long time

boreal quartz
#

Most of df

ancient warren
#

We don't run bladestorm with colossus right?

#

Also do we hold cooldowns or just send them as they come off cd?

frigid lava
#

I rarely hold... our CDs come around quick.

ancient warren
#

Yeah agreed

#

If anything I’ll hold smash for a couple of seconds to be able to line it up with a fully stacked cleave / strike and skullsplitter but idek I started arms two weeks ago

dire hinge
#

when it comes to AoE, Cleave is pretty static in the rotation, unless Bonegrinder is active, then it overrides everything

ancient warren
#

Ah dank, thanks for that mate

dire hinge
#

always!

ancient warren
#

Another question I’ve had bouncing in my head is during the execute phase, should I wait to get two overpower stacks PLUS to execute stacks before I strike or as soon as my two execute stacks I release mortal

#

I really should learn the name of these passives lol

dire hinge
#

oh you're fine, the passive names come with time.

ancient warren
dire hinge
#

you only care about how many Executioner's Precision (execute stacks) that are on your target before pressing Mortal Strike.
Martial Prowess (overpower buffs) are just sugar on top

ancient warren
#

people say arms is eze but there’s a lot of little things

ancient warren
#

I really got the hang of arms during the pre patch let’s see what happens with the hero talents lol

dire hinge
# ancient warren And cleave takes prio in 2+ targets yeah? Even during execute? Unless sweeping s...

Excute phase, especially in AoE, will depend on what your goals are.

Execute can only hit 1 (or 2 with sweeping strikes) targets at a time, so it's good for doing priority damage into 1-2 mobs. This is good if you have One Big Mob amongst a bunch of small guys, or if one needs to die faster than the others.

Usually you'll just keep AoEing until there is a small number of targets left before swapping to Execute phase

ancient warren
#

Fantastic thanks a bunch for helping me out with this

dire hinge
#

of course! Like you said, it's a lot of small things.

ancient warren
#

Ahh but it’s so satisfying when it all comes together

frigid lava
#

holyshit... it's this week for tww

#

i haven't bought upgrade yet ...

ancient warren
#

Hype hype

frigid lava
#

epic edition worth it? hmmm

ancient warren
#

Only if you can’t wait the 4? Days

#

I’m going away for three months so the four days are worth it for me. Lmao

long beacon
#

What are you going to space?

ancient warren
#

to America and can’t bring my pc with :(

frigid lava
#

I wonder if the first couple days are going to be terrible... because everyone jumping in.

long beacon
#

no it will be fine

ancient warren
#

Launch hasn’t been bad since wod

#

Just instanced to hell

dire hinge
#

content will also locked to normal dungeons, for context

#

great for leveling / early profession gathering stuff

frigid lava
#

so do we start on 23rd?

#

epic edition*

ancient warren
#

22nd for NA

#

Midnight for EU

dire hinge
#

NA timeline:

frigid lava
#

holy crap it's tiny

ancient warren
#

I’ll have two weeks of raid and m+ before I’m off to space damn

dire hinge
frigid lava
#

eh... buying i guess.

ancient warren
#

We're all weak af

#

But at least it comes with a month of sub

dire hinge
#

in what way?

ancient warren
#

We're showing blizz we're willing to pay so it becomes the new norm to have early access for $

#

But thats just the gaming industry these days its okay

dire hinge
#

oh the preorder? To each their own with it.
it doesn't come with "power", it's just a time offset

#

maybe for crafters/goldmakers, but not too worried about that

ancient warren
#

oh no I agree I didn't mean weak = power

dire hinge
#

for sure, i mean that buying the preorder doesn't get you more in-game advantage over others in terms of outgearing your colleagues that don't buy it

ancient warren
#

Yeah exactly, the only "advantage" would be 4 days of profession gathering advantage

#

But like.. whatever

long beacon
#

im a blizzard whiteknight, I buy all their shit for no real reason lol

ancient warren
#

lmaoo

long beacon
#

i think I bought d4 like 4 times

dire hinge
#

and even that has some limitations, so it's water under the bridge, but might get some extra gold from people who want to buy a high quantity of crap-quality herbs for too much gold

#

top crafts will need top materials, and those are locked behind Knowledge Points

long beacon
#

i think ill level a couple guys up and see how I feel about who I will focus my time on

ancient warren
#

I think I tried every single spec in the game before I tried arms and that was the one I liked the most lol

#

Finding a main has been so difficult.

long beacon
#

me too, I like warrior and ele shaman right now

ancient warren
#

ele shaman looks strong but Ive heard theres a lot of lightning bolt spam or w/e its called and thats not great?

long beacon
#

but I have a boost still available for the earthen, not sure who ill pick to use that

#

you're 100% right, lots of lightning bolt, but I enjoy that classic style; so it works for me

dire hinge
#

and it's quite strong atm

#

there's a lot of fun hero talent options out there

long beacon
#

i love the theme of lightning, so stormbringer is sweet

frigid lava
#

Is arms still better or competitive in tww?

long beacon
#

I'm sure it will hold its own

frigid lava
#

Just wondering if I'm going to jump ship lol

long beacon
#

you'll be able to do +10 withhout an issue, so great vault full unlocks

#

depends if you care more beyond that

dire hinge
#

Yeah, we're very fine. Not the best, not the worst, we'll be able to do all content without much issue. Even when we're ""bad"", we can do really high keys.

frigid lava
#

I'm currently at... about 3300 score.

#

no desire to go higher. Too much

long beacon
#

then you'll be good man

dire hinge
#

yeah super fine

#

plus it's free to try out Fury at any point, especially a few weeks in after we start getting duplicate gear pieces to restat around

long beacon
#

i like both specs a lot

frigid lava
#

just logged onto tww beta for the first time...

dire hinge
#

and prot is gonna rule

frigid lava
#

alright screw this lol I don't have patient to rebind everything to test out some spec.

#

I will find out in a few days i guess

frigid lava
#

what's up with repair cost.

gaunt owl
frigid lava
#

nah... it feels significantly higher than usual

dire hinge
#

to my knowledge it hasn't changed, it's always based on the gold value of the item you have equipped

#

or item level? one of those

novel stump
#

as slayer when do we use bladestorm? I'd assume for multi we use it during cds but for single target I'd think use it when cds are recharging

dire hinge
#

It's lower priority than most abilities in single target, but higher than 1x OP charges and Slam

livid thunder
#

Do we keybind both rend and thunderclap?

uncut pasture
#

you can, you can have them on separate binds or have a macro like -
#showtooltip
/cast [nochanneling, known:Thunder Clap] Thunder Clap; Rend

#

it's a dps increase to rend > TC in ST and 2T w/ Sweeping Strikes so it's good to have both keybinded imo

livid thunder
#

ok gotcha ty

#

arms doesnt have too many buttons so bloat isnt an issue

slow saddle
#

most of the bloat has been removed ye

livid thunder
#

also, if i somehow have 2 stacks of overpower and can't MS, is it okay to overpower again or should i slam or smth instead

teal fossil
#

Op

#

Though that’s pretty much impossible

livid thunder
#

so overcap on charges?

teal fossil
#

Overcap on stacks yes

livid thunder
#

ok ty

teal fossil
#

Yeah it’s impossible to have 2 stacks of op with a charge of op

livid thunder
#

I swear I just had that

#

hence the question

#

hand't seen that before, mind

#

this is a now-on-retail remix character

teal fossil
#

Think about it

#

You ms op op

#

Nothing can reset op since ops don’t reset itself

#

If you do ms op (filler) op then ms is back up again

livid thunder
#

good point lol

#

maybe im nuts

teal fossil
#

But yes during the ignore pain era you should op a 3rd time

uncut pasture
#

could always OP OP Slam OP, not impossible but really, really suboptimal

teal fossil
#

That’s you trolling your rotation

#

There’s only 3 gcds between ms

opal cairn
#

Guys

#

Any suggestions on how to get that irl transmog up?

lucid thicket
vital mulch
#

Perhaps it aint grammy. It's his goldmine

dire hinge
# opal cairn Any suggestions on how to get that irl transmog up?

Genuine advice would be to start simple and fold in statement pieces. IRL Transmog is much more expensive than in-game and it’s easy to chase the flashy shoulders and run out of steam for the rest of your slots.

Even starting slow and paying more attention when you go in public. If someone with your build catches your eye, what about their outfit made you look? Do a full scan of their fit, not just the flashy parts. Document what you see and think about why you liked it

#

(Also props to that person for taking the pic, that’s kind of them. Hell yeah)

opal cairn
#

And grams is the best lol

dreamy egret
#

playing this feels like molasas

dire hinge
#

oh god 2% haste

#

that'd do it 😂

minor gust
#

I'm surprised anyone is boosting characters while the event is going on. You get to lvl 70 in 3 hours and at the end be full 480 gear

odd palm
#

isn't that what you get when you bring your character from mop remix to the real world?

dire hinge
#

yee

#

they come in sub 480 so they can get gear from the prepatch event as an easy intro back to retail

minor gust
#

oh is that a remix character

odd palm
#

yeah when you log onto your remix character, it gets transported to retail, all items deleted and you get the boostie package of gear and stuff.

tiny dock
#

stupid question but is anyone else randomly crashing when opening their map?

dire hinge
#

not that i've seen, i'd try disabling all of your addons and seeing if it continues

boreal quartz
#

And then turn addons on one by one

fickle lotus
#

I have also a stupid question... If i open wowhead or IcyVeins on my 2nd Monitor while playing WoW, WoW always dc. Its only these 2 Websites.

boreal quartz
#

Doesnt happen for me

dire hinge
#

This sounds like a browser issue more than the websites themselves, if you can, would you be able to see if it continues to happen if you use a different browser (even temporarily, such as Chrome -> Firefox, or even Edge?)

fickle lotus
#

I can try it, yes.

teal fossil
#

thats crazy

#

wow sabotaging their main resource

muted helm
#

Uhh i think your chillin big dog you look like

slow saddle
wind flicker
#

Im genuinely curious who convinced Kush that arms is S tier

soft dew
#

A fury hater most likely

storm prism
#

Arms is always s tier

#

Even when it's f tier

#

(I don't like fury)

slow saddle
wind flicker
#

Kekw

slow saddle
#

there was as small window where collosus arms had a RLY high output

wanton sierra
#

i heard arms is on the mmidway pack

slow saddle
#

yeah yeah now

#

its not bad at all

#

steady B

#

id say and fury prob B+ // A depending on fights

wanton sierra
#

hope arms become better than fury, just for our little warrior competition xD

half junco
#

im pretty sure unless you are going for a top 100 kill or whatever , you can play both and the spec that is played by the better player will do better

#

unless the fights insanely favor one spec over the other

wanton sierra
#

furry is going to be slayer? or mountain thane? i quite liked the thunder clap fury

slow saddle
#

Slayer

#

and arms is going to be

#

Slayer

#

but as he said u can ofc play thane and accept the loss np in most content

#

exept top 100 prob 😛

#

given the fact that after what ? 6 weeks ?

#

we start getting the dmg increase buff

soft dew
#

his stream is too funny ngl

gaunt owl
#

🐐

soft dew
#

"Ok fury is a warrior spec"

boreal quartz
gaunt owl
#

Fury player in shamble

#

Emotional damage

soft dew
#

Jeventes is crying ngl

wind flicker
#

Im crying with what im hearing xd

soft dew
#

That's a big troll if I've ever seen one

thick kelp
#

Kush is most serious gamer on planet

agile hatch
#

So i dont have Whirlwind anymore...is this right or a bug?

full widget
#

So arms is doomed for TWW

valid flame
dire hinge
agile hatch
dire hinge
# full widget So arms is doomed for TWW

Nah we’re fine. There’s some complaints about hero talent tuning overall, but both arms and fury are quite close to one another in sims so it’s nothing to be concerned about.

We are very solidly middle of the pack overall, which is perfectly fine

dire hinge
#

Yee I make funny images sometimes

slow saddle
full widget
#

doomed for both

olive nest
#

Numbers are fine

#

It just feels like ass to play either hero talent as arms

#

Channel demolish all the time

#

Slam all the time

#

Weaker execute

#

6 cds that all want to be sent together but overlap each others durations no matter how you send them

#

Not to mention they don’t sync up properly anymore

#

My beloved arms in shambles

slow saddle
#

This

#

Or u can play slayer

#

And only have 4 things that dont quite align🤣

wheat lagoon
#

Surely a rework to come

half token
#

We're still in beta, there's still time

dawn wasp
slow saddle
tepid citrus
#

Just coming back from a break and all I see is Arms warrior QQ. What have they done to us this time?

gaunt owl
#

They did nothing

#

Thats the problem

unique cargo
dawn wasp
#

I just wanna see how much better Slayer is in ST over colossus in raid. I'd rather stick with Colossus, but if Slayer is that much better...

unique cargo
#

well i dont care which is better. Better is when you have fun

#

if the key is not depleted and the raid boss is down, it doesn't matter which hero talents you take.

dawn wasp
#

I need big number

unique cargo
#

In my opinion, the Arms somehow has too much rage. It would be more practical if the CD of the respective abilities were removed so that you could spam them. It's more of a hindrance this way.

dire hinge
latent moss
#

slayer is getting even better keks

dire hinge
#

Colossus needs some love Sadge
more work and a rooted channel just to do less damage in single target feels real odd

echo fern
#

I have a problem. I don't know what key to bind demolish to T_T

#

so zero parses forever! 😄

dire hinge
# echo fern I have a problem. I don't know what key to bind demolish to T_T

it'll be cast somewhat frequently, so just make sure it's not strenuous on your hand to reach.
If you have the Legendary i just replaced that binding with Demolish.

Alternatively, we likely wont be using Piercing Howl much in PVE (it's too costly to reach, talent point wise), and Ignore Pain is underperforming atm

#

(i see two ignore pain bindings)

hazy flower
#

Ip is like halved no?

#

In tww

dire hinge
#

i dont remember the specifics of it, but i think the tooltip/in-game values dont align (for some reason), so the shield we get from IP just isn't worth it currently

hazy flower
#

Fucking sucks

#

You still kinda need it for high keys

echo fern
dire hinge
#

yeah, especially with our embellishments looking like we'll be using the equivolent of Blue Silken Lining again (different name in TWW, same concept)

dire hinge
echo fern
#

¬_¬ so i do

dire hinge
#

one is the fancy version we only bring out when guests are over catJAM

echo fern
#

yeah something like that

#

can slam and CS be macro'd together and functional or was that ability restricted a while ago (vague memory of ome restrictioned been added to makes a while back)

hazy flower
#

Both on gcd

echo fern
#

hmmm actually 2nd thought

#

that could be a dps lose if I have cd's coming up and I have a macro that will use cs instead of slam

#

likely.

#

definitely.

dire hinge
#

it's relatively safe to put Avatar and CS together (just be sure Avatar is cast first of the two, and that you only press it if you have a GCD available)

#

we stopped recommending it when Avatar would auto-cast Bladestorm, but that functionality has been removed, so it's safer now

echo fern
#

thats nto a bad suggestion

dire hinge
#

rotation wise, you try and cast them together if they're both available (such as on-pull), but if they desync you just use them as-they-become-available (don't hold for alignment)

echo fern
#

yeah I think thats the play here

#

when did they take avatar off the gcd been a hot sec since I mained warrior

woven wasp
#

it was only on it during bfa

echo fern
#

that would do it

#

last time I played warrior enough to notice was bfa xD

#

so as long as it's this order it should never do them out of order then perfect we have a fix good job gentlemen/women
now demolish can sit peacfully on ` where I had my lego on my main 😛

hazy flower
#

Keep separate cs bind

echo fern
#

way ahead of you

#

Shift-X isn't comfortable to press and frankly I'm probably just gonna remove the bind

#

but keep the icon there

#

well not comfortable in combat

nova marsh
#

Do u play with an mmo/gaming mouse?

dire hinge
quaint otter
hazy flower
#

These are my binds maybe you’ll like any of these

dire hinge
#

overcooked i have mine hidden because i dont like how cluttered my screen gets, they're all in a binding addon

fair hawk
#

What do ya'll like for interrupts? I've historically used v and c with modifiers for cc, but I find myself jumping at inopportune times

boreal quartz
boreal quartz
hazy flower
#

Cntr f regular shift 2 focus shift 1 mouseover, this sc is outdated a bit

#

Playing mage forced me to bind new kicks

hazy flower
#

As war I did this cursed thing of swapping target in same gcd kicking and swapping back

manic stirrup
#

i dont have a focus kick keybind honestly i should get on that lol

#

yeah lol

#

super cursed

hazy flower
#

Yeah

hazy flower
#

But playing mage kind of made me get it

#

Tho most of my kicks are just mouseover unless its assigned kick

dire hinge
#

FingerGuns Numpad 1

gaunt owl
#

Mouse buttons 9

leaden vine
#

how often should i be pressing cleave in m+ off cd?

teal fossil
#

On cd

fossil rampart
#

lemme know if i can change anything in this rotation to make it better. Sweeping strikes into avatar+ravager, roar, colossus smash, overpower, overpower into cleave and ms to get colossal might stacks then demolish

#

is that okay or anything can be done to make it better, even min-max, i don't mind. i like being efficient with it

#

i'm also running blademaster's torment so i have that extra time on sweeping strikes and cdr on cleave so i can get those stacks up and demolish within sweeping strikes timeframe

#

tree if anything can be made better here too

old urchin
#

Mouse over

outer holly
#

E, for eenterupt

echo fern
wanton sierra
#

My int is alt + w… i find myself alt tabbin by mistake… coz im also tabbin for targeting xD

boreal quartz
#

alt W is healthstone

reef glade
#

Why the hell do mfs got hearthstone bound

#

just click dat shit

boreal quartz
reef glade
#

u need to relax

#

Regular mount sure

#

But ain’t no way

boreal quartz
wispy kettle
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i'm a mog mount keybinder too there are at least 2 of us

uncut pasture
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i have mog mount on alt f, need to always have that ready

olive nest
brittle lichen
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Guys my friend is telling me arms is gonna be spinning and executing is this true

tacit crystal
dire hinge
brittle lichen
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hell yeah brother

quaint otter
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Got exe on F since wotlk

olive nest
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Same same

slow saddle
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ive got it on Z

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coz then when i fat finger alt as well

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i get to panic

wanton sierra
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E for execute xD

boreal quartz
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r

olive nest
quaint otter
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I have E for filler buttons

olive nest
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Im a qwe mover

misty bridge
minor gust
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Execute on F is based af

ancient warren
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so are the wowhead guides superduper updated ready to go now? i guess we dont use those till we get our hero talents right

misty bridge
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what keybinds do you guys use for SS

minor gust
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Yes guides are up to date

ancient warren
ancient warren
misty bridge
ancient warren
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Z

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here u go, goated keybind setup (i use 12 button mouse)

olive nest
ancient warren
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it makes no sense but it works

olive nest
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Bro how much do you reflect!?

ancient warren
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every time I can?

olive nest
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But like 3 is the spam button

ancient warren
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I use 789 as the spam buttons

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and my 3 is broken on my mouse so i have to use the keyboard

olive nest
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Oh right you said I use mouse

ancient warren
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DEMOLISH UNGA BUNGA ON F

wanton sierra
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I might bind it on f1 idk

dire hinge
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too many buttons sad_cat

manic stirrup
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my thumbs are too big to use an mmo mouse

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i used to but i would keep fatfingering

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so when it broke i just got a normal one

ancient warren
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that's rough buddy

manic stirrup
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health stone cz health pot se stance sf

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sks on z

violet steeple
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M4 healthpot M5 zerker rage M3 leap Z as SKS or spear/roar as fury WE BALLLLL

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CHOCO GETS IT

dire hinge
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going through and trying to visualize my bindings and realizing I have some opportunities to optimize them quite a lot, which feels nice

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something to do later tonight

low mirage
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going through and trying to visualize my bindings and realizing I have some opportunities to unoptimize them quite a lot, which feels nice something to do later tonight

uncut shard
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Wdym as warrior you bind everything with the letter it starts with

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if you dont do that youre kinda inting

manic stirrup
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pummel

uncut shard
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goes to p

manic stirrup
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seems legit

uncut shard
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🤷‍♂️

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Youre ignoring the mortal strike on m

manic stirrup
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i saw it but looked for something better

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m is like technically possible to hit without completely griefing

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p is insane

uncut shard
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Press it with the thumb

manic stirrup
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well actually u could moge with like yghj

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move

uncut shard
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and you dont need to stop pressing w a d

dire hinge
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you guys don't just type out /tar Distraught Seedling and /cast Pummel?

uncut shard
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If you type 350 wpm thats just too easy

minor gust
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Nah I play from the spellbook

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just click your spells from there its easy

dire hinge
uncut shard
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Can anyone make this weakaura for warrior

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so I can type the spells

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and it feels proper

dire hinge
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that person's work is so good

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i loved their monk ui

uncut shard
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Yeah I remember it

teal fossil
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use this one

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its got built in hekili

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it goes super hard

dire hinge
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that's not first person 😦

misty bridge
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that's an insane UI

grave mulch
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Tomorrow is the day!!!!! blessings to all and good luck in the next xpac everyone! May the unga bunga be proud

minor gust
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Tomorrow is more time to play wukong

storm crystal
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the starter build for arms is prime rib this. gg blizz

gentle vessel
tardy yarrow
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What is the verdict

latent moss
tardy yarrow
latent moss
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slayer is better in all content

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damage wise

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but not a big gap

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play what you like

opaque citrus
lavish pollen
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Is this the right place to ask about arms rotation in cata?

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also hello!

woven wasp
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nope

lavish pollen
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hmm that fight club server has no discussion channels I can see

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but thanks!

woven wasp
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well thats the server for all classic warrior stuff

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this is 99% retail

lavish pollen
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alright I appreciate it

fringe moon
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when leveling tomorrow, are we going to be able to use both the lego and demolish?

eternal vortex
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Ye