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slam for example
or did i miss something
i did actually miss something, slam is there
Archi posted about it here, for the list of missed spells and their impact:
#updates-midnight message
+1600
i do scale my nuts
people asked for warriors to scale, and they'll get Dracthyr warriors soon
please dont use the s word
dont care as long as i cant fight in visage form
big true
visage form however is fucking great
Idk why they put in that many customizations
to make it unusable in combat
make shit like fire breath how it works for dh
where they transform shortly for the spell
like leap and eye beam for dh
Like surely that cant be too hsrd...
Dude every race should be as customisable as visage form
so tww tuning that just happened whas arms been buffed or nerfed?
Its beta and pre patch and its basically 0% change
They Removed the 43% aura arms had and buffed abilities accordingly
Blizzard are doing a twister on your ass
just to confuse your shenanigans
in the end it wont even matter
its gonna give the tier set a little bit more pewpew normally
i like how the expansion recap url is literally labeled "upsell"
and just has u wait with a message that patreon users have diff queue
you know whats fucking funny
we wanted to start filling the spreadsheet with sim and all that starting tonight in EU
i'm going out with the boys and all that for beer so we delayed it
and blizzard drop the news of balance
i'm just glad we didnt do all this work tonight
YES
yes Bob
I was already doing 700k in mythic plus
the collateral of not reading the all news
exactly
we'll wait here while you read the whole thing bob
@dreamy egret
prepatch is one of the most cursed time ever
blizzard trying to fine tune shit
while we are working on sim and gameplay
and we get hit with one left hook out of nowhere
and people get more confused for no reason
how did we get hit with a left hook they buffed everything ?
always ZUG
Damnit bob
read it closer, they removed an aura buff
👓
i went to my eyes specialist today couldnt drive for 4 hours
but people still cant even
Well yes
which is why fury got screwed on shared abilities
Was speaking generally




but we received 50% to all abilities so thats a 7% net gain.
I am sure they will adjust it with new mods, now that a new baseline has been established 
your math aint mathin, it was a 43% gain
people are quoting it at 50% gain I didnt math anything was going off what they said
fury did for fury abilities because they lost a 50% aura buff
arms abilities and shared ones had seperate aura buffs and were adjusted accordingly
my dongers didnt get 50% bigger after this
because i got mortal stroked 30% less
what blizzard did is the same
they are triyng to give a 0 base aura buff
to make tuning easier for the patch to come
and now i know that i should have explained this in reverse
will it ever work if you dont have patreon? lol
i dont have patreon
i feel like ive been waiting for like half an hour
might be able to do it faster manually at this rate


Good ol’ s3
hey all, are the talent builds on Wowhead good to use or is there a better source?
It’s good
good to use
i farmed a LOT of trinket on mage
Guys is it possible to cross faction quest in tww?
that was always possible (always implying since cross faction became a thing)
wtf just happend...
was something fucky with the modifiers yesterday or something?
strong pad rlly long kill
long long long kill lol
hes 1:30 longer than my kill a month ago

crit rng seems average
p2 seems very strong
Did they buff us again?
there were no buffs
they are cleaning up modifiers mainly
so stuff starts at +/-0% in wawi
wawi
arms sp ret random pug healer and brewmaster/vdh
sometimes we pug a dps if tank isnt playing
so we play arms prot pala sp random healer
man brewmaster is funny
Tbf I dont think I played that comp almost at all in the last few weeks
We gigablasted in fall
holy shit
mortal strike is 304% ap
onslaught hits harder than ms
demolish is 1100% ap 
Stop you’re gonna get us nerfed again
0:00:00.1 and 69.6%, praise
Not me in that screenshot - just wild that suddenly when numbers get fiddled with someone does +100k dps 🤣
so the hotfixes yesterday were just to zero out the aura buff on beta right or was it something different
How do we get the season 4 recap?
Link your account on raiderio
Thank you
Np! You can also mention your main and alt
bruh
Still not me in picture
What trinks do u guys use for higher M+ when survivabilities are in question
You dont need rageheart
Reflect the dot
which one
There is only one dot
"Time Sink" ?
Yes
Hmmm... any good way to time it?
Uh idk bigwigs
M+ timers wa
No clue
I got lots of shit on my screen
It just works
i have dbm.... wonder they will conflict
No clue I dont use dbm but it should be telling you about the boss timers
You want either not both
If its not then just delete it
BW does show it
would u recommend bw over dbm?
Most people I know have it that way (if not all)
Test for yourself
Either way
U can always come back to dbm
ty
I always forget rend refresh when skullsplitter killed my favorite spec
who actually like skullsplitter
I like it but i would have prefered it to be less present in the rotation
Will we play Skullsplitter and Demolish for TWW?
You can check the FAQ-Beta to have the temporary talent
was there anybody bothered or upset or even a little butthurt about fury gaining access to bladestorm
Max searching for Critcake to talk about warriors for his tier list stream right now kek
Someone call him! 
I like TWW sks a lot it's just another button to press instead of falling asleep with MS OP and slam
I actually enjoy it as well, breaks up the Slam spam
but Slam really needs some kind of streak protection
Wym by that
something to stop you from hitting slam 3-4 times in a row if you dont get tactician
Slam is clearly far from a fun button to press
It's just a shitty filler but at least it serves a purpose
i mean
i wouldnt say any ability is more or less fun in general
whether the filler is slam whirlwind or whatever else
filler is filler
raging blow for example is no more fun to press than slam IMO
There’s always gonna be a bottom filler
Make slam give a haste buff
it'll be a furious blow that costs rage 
...that hurts just to think about
honestly I think Slam is fine as it is - I'd hate to tie a mechanic to it that ends up making you press Slam instead of MS/OP/Execute
it's supposed to be a low-prio filler, and there's nothing wrong with that; the only issue is when you end up having to press it multiple times in a row because nothing else is available, so I'd just look at some way of fixing that
- make Slam reduce the CD of MS by 1 GCD every time it's pressed (so you'd never press Slam more than twice before MS comes off CD)
- give Slam a 2x increased chance to trigger Tactician (e.g. instead of 20 * 2 = 40% chance, make it 20 * 2 * 2 = 80% chance just for Slam - that would give you a very high likelihood of getting an extra Overpower instead of repeatedly using Slam)
based archim
I think it would be neat if Slam had altering animations if you use it consecutively.
Maybe even extend that to Overpower.
bro panda slam animation goes pretty hard
ppl hate on panda until they see me stylin on the enemies
i like the 2nd one
the first one could have some reprecussions down the line of it being better than OP
I want that for MS (EB), but I wouldn't mind if other abilities had it too
I don't think "higher chance to reset OP" would be better than pressing OP
since it naturally loses value if OP isn't on cooldown
I kinda prefer the first because it's more predictable, and the second does kinda over-emphasize Overpower
But I like the second one because it doesn't devalue EB/Battlelord
Yeah the first one reducing CDs can devalue EB/BL is my fear
2nd one can definitely overvalue OP
but that shouldnt be an issue if it was a choice node vs a strong op talent
That too. Honestly, I think Execute is the only ability I would want to stick to one repeated animation, just because it's fun to watch it hack away like that.
I know it might be a lot of work for Blizzard to throw in extra animations for stuff like that, but I can dream.
So do the trolls. Love the spinny slam they do it looks great.
I was kinda messing around but yeah I like that idea. Right now, slam feels like fury Whirlwind in BFA
Like we kinda need something that makes it there but also to the point where there's no realistic case where you hit it multiple times
Just wait till 12.0 where we get champion talents
And blizz will solve it
well you are always going to have a worst filler
just like how for demon hunter, once you talent out of demons bite your worst filler becomes chaos strike
It's kinda the nature of fillers
The issue with arms is lowkey evreything still kinda feels filler besides MS and exe
the alternative is either to emphasize OP like in DF or to flood with MS casts
yeah DF went too far, I think TWW is kind of trying to be a happy middle ground and in many ways is
optimally I want to press 1 slam every other MS
bloodmallet is not showing any data atm, does races factor how much nowadays on warrior performance, considering if i should swap to mag'har just for the looks 😄
races dont matter rlly for dps
only if u wanna be a dwarf or nelf for m+
otherwise play what race you want
ye meld would be a thing to miss i know
- there is the fact that mag'har racials are pretty much null, only one with any meaning doesnt lineup with anything....but the looks 😄
Like most resources, Bloodmallet is skipping pre-patch, but will be back in swing for TWW proper (at least Season 1)
- the real recommendation is to just play what you like - you're the one who is going to have to stare at it for hours on end, so you might as well enjoy what you're looking at
- mechagnome (somewhat gimmicky), human, dwarf/tauren, and sometimes troll are generally good options, though the dps difference between high and low races is usually within 1-1.5%, which is not worth race changing over
- utility racials are situationally more important than damage: shadowmeld for dropping aggro, dwarf for tanking, human for getting out of stuns, and every now and again there's an encounter which encourages troll/void elf/etc, though those things usually get hotfixed before the vast majority of players reach them
Yea meld can be really strong, do we have any idea yet if the m+ dungs have alot of mechanics where it is strong, like the double dragon boss at whatchamacallit time dung where you avoid the green ball that needs to be passed around
MS means nothing unless it's buffed. thats why blord is so weak right now. no way to buff ms but to press OP/Exe
thats why unhinged is bad
😄
unhinged casts every ability all at once
perfectly executes your entire rotation in order every other tick
now thats some core gameplay right there
built in hekili on ravager
also does your taxes for you
i mean just buff tactician proccs that nerf + rage spending nerf at once is dumba
also change EB to the passive one we had in SL
Buff Standart MS nerf the buff OP gives to MS
guys arms will be better in raid now?
What are you asking?
Better than DF? About the same performance-wise
Better than Fury? No, not with the current tuning passes
Better playstyle in raids? Highly personal, some like colossus some hate it, most folks like slayer though
@untold pewterthanks
How accurate is this??
100%
The list is not as relevant as the comments
I recommend watching the VOD and checking the reasoning given by the folks that talked about each class/hero talent
coffee just isnt getting me jacked up and ready for the day so i figured if i wasnt jacked then you arent either so here u go !!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hMqvb8QiUk&list=PLA27UkofjNQScQPZWYtkMw3gUHwZ15Hl-&index=7
Wrong channel, this is the anti-execute channel

kindly fuck off with that Furry video
I’m surprised to see colossus arms still B tier
You can ask Crit about it he's the one that out it there
Why? Numbers still good dam
its Max so off course its 100% facts
Is making an @ player ravager macro okay? Is there any major reason not to use that?
I don't wanna accidentally throw one into neverland because I lost my cursor for a sec
There is a give and take, player makes it so you get a 99% at worst ok value.
Just do player and zugzug, no need to worry about it
Kk ty!
They didnt find anyone to comment on Ret at all lmfao. Dam
Ret is not bad at all
they are 100% sandbaggin, ive at least seen in M+ them keeping up with warrior
so if warrior isnt horrid then nor is ret
tier lists arent real this is a prediction
So I didn't realize that worldbreaker is not what we use in m plus. I saw it on wowhead and thought it was a mistake. Did they change blunt instruments? why all of a sudden is it better than colossal smashing everything in an 8 yard range?
cleave applies deep wounds, blunt instruments gives you A LOT of prio damage
and you get haste longer from in for the kill
Thanks for the info. Is Ravager better than bladestorm or is it a preference thing?
i personally think ravager is always better
some ppl run bladestorm but i disagree with that
always better
I am probably one of the few that likes bladestorm feel it is very arms defining but with fury having it I guess not so much now. I would always do what is better damage though. So if it is ravager I will play it
What is the best way to sim aor/m plus talents in raid bots?
honestly man the expansion is like a week away you can run bladestorm
anyone got a tl;dr of impact on yesterdays war tuning?
can anyone send PVP build for arms please?
There's a pvp channel and a pvp build on wowhead, would be your best bets
oh thank you mate ^^
👍👍
Arms or fury for leveling through ww?
Fury more health more heal surely impossible to die
But doesn’t matter whatever you like
could level as prot if you want to watch netflix on another moniter
does anyone know how Sweeping Strikes chooses it's second target? i always thought it was lowest hp in range but now i'm not sure
closest target
Does it matter who it hits, if you are at 2 targets its hitting your second and past 3 you are cleaving no?
in a raid scenario it can matter, like if there's a 2 target boss that spawns adds. you don't want to accidentally hit the tiny lil add
thank you
for m+ i always sent CS on a healthy target thinking SS would cleave it to something <35% for the extra haste from IftK (it doesn't do that ;-;), you're still pressing SS past 2 targets regardless for either more Dreadnaught dmg or Collateral Damage stacks since cleave stacks it too with Fervor of Battle talented
Yeah you don’t want to hard cast it on a dying target too in case it dies during cs
So why does it matter what sweeping strike targets, for dreadnaught you would just want the extra overpower wave, even though i think it was removed, and for collat you would just want ss to be used to get your cleave to to do increased damage
for m+ i always sent CS on a healthy target thinking SS would cleave it to something <35% for the extra haste from IftK (it doesn't do that ;-;)
if there are 2 prio targets in a pack, ofcourse you want to sweep onto the other target.
it can be useful if you're trying to apply damage to a priority target. For example, if you have a low-health mob near a priority target, you could sweeping strikes and execute the low-HP target and try and get the Swept Strike to hit your priority target.
It does affect the direction of your dreadnauts as well (it wasn't removed, it was just turned into a choice node)
this is not a scientifically accurate picture, but for illustrating the difference positioning can make:
- If you're Mommy's Favorite Little Zug Zug and you go up to a pack with Sweeping Strikes active and cast Dreadnaught (or "DN"), it will target your primary target and closest nearby target (both indicated with black X's).
- DN originates from your character and goes in a straight line towards your target and through them in a line (though it does have some width to it, so i made them rectangles).
- Depending on which mobs you're nearest to, your swept DN can miss a portion of the pack.
you can't always hit every member of the pack, but it's something to be roughly concious of
(also overlapped DNs can hit the same target twice, so you can double dip if things are stacked)
leveling is trivial so it really doesn't matter
I think you just really like drawing these pictures tbh
Gotta put my art degree from 15yr ago to use
Quick question, where can I find the AOE build for arms?
I don’t see it in the pins.
wowhead icyveins maxroll
wowiceroll
Maxheadveins
How's arms feeling for m+ and heroic raids? Don't plan on doing smhigher than like +8s or so and heroic raiding
8s no longer give you mythic track gear. If you want that you’ll need to hit up 10s
Any spec can do that lvl of content fine how fun it is should be more important
I've never found fury fun but I did check it out on beta, still felt kinds meh to me
9s [nevermind!]
i have enjoyed it here and there in keys, it feels quite smooth there to my Arms brain
Looks like 9s just gets you gilded crests. Youll still need 10s for mythic from the vault
8s get ksm?
I haven't done the math on KSM yet, but you'll likely get it with a mix of various keylevels (some higher, some lower)
fort tyran and that xalatath affix
I think 10s are all 4?
hows arms gamplay wise?
pretty chill. There are some things to be aware of here and there, just like any spec, but in both Raid and M+ it's relatively simple to pick up and do well with
Slayer especially will be pretty passive
Colossus you just gotta look out for the channeled root on Demolish
sweet
We will get sooo railed in 10s bro

The new keys look omega unpuggable

algun latino?
prot hits hard
but somehow not that fun :0
MS got nerfed so much it feels like shield slam
very intelligent nerf
lets remove the one cool thing about colossus
and make ms on slayer even more miserable
crazy
Lucky me and others that like both specs equally. Even when one is outperforming the other I usually play both equally, sometimes even more of the least warr meta one if it feels buttery smooth. Now I go into TWW with a feeling of none feeling very buttery smooth, both has some skullsplitter/demolish clunkiness to them
or 4 slams in a row gameplay
All buttons are slam
With warrior it all comes down to fulfilling your particular class fantasy. I've never liked fury because I prefare slow and big hits with 2h weapon
also fury is high apm
arms is simply slower, more relaxed gameplay.. until you play solo shuffle arena
in what priority order should you do zug zug zug
is it zug zug or zug zug

Let me take some notes
Would you say arms is easier to learn first? I'm coming from a druid/sub rogue
Fury is way easier
fury is send and forget
Same number of buttons for rotation but 100x more forgiving for mistakes
Ahh
But the difficutly gap is only on the forgivness part
Both specs have extremely simple 123 rotation
Which of them is stronger tho?
Fury
So fury is easier, stronger and more forgiving?
Yes
nice
You can play fury with your eyes closed
Coming from DH, maybe searching for a new class
Depending on the Changes to the Hero Talents of DH
So DH and Fury can be compared?
But in terms of surviving, fury it’s better
against rot yeah
Aoe fury is better
Or the difference it’s not that much
But you can play w/e you want
arms is a lot more proactive with defensives
u need to anticipate a hit and use defensives
fury just lives
My 70 warrior is stuck in pandaria remix.. gotta wait a bit until i can test him
or is pandaria comparable gameplay wise?
I think prepatch
You can play with your remix character once remix is over
is rotation changing from prepatch to tww?
Arms is stronger ST and on 2 targets. That's it. Go Fury
its updated
it's in the process of being updated, there'll be some cleanup over the next day or two
Yep! just seen it . Looks good so far! lots of goodies to chill and look at
Slayer is just better over all for raid and M+?
ye, just disclaimer because there will likely be some odd bits standing out
oh ofcourse
Colossus and Slayer are very close in multitarget rn, kinda comes down to situation, timing, & circumstance
Fair point. Ive been looking forward to slayer. The play style looks cool and i feel it fits nice with arms
Course a lot of stuff is also still getting updated, polished, hotfixed, bug fixed, etc, so expect at least a little bit of flipflopping all the way up through Season 1 launch before things settle down
will i get carpal tunnel playing fury?
or will TWW slow it down at all
woops I thought I was clicked on the fury channel 😵💫
If your keybinds dont suck then no
What do good keybinds look like?
Smth that wont give u carpal tunnel
Natural hand position for you
As neutral as it can be
And stop doing 300 apm its not Starcraft
easy to reach, comfortable to press, focusing on strong fingers rather than weak ones (index/middle more so than pinky/ring)
Lifting weights
This is probably key - WoW is a quite slow game, so while I myself enjoy spamming that button to make it hit "harder, faster, stronger", that is in reality just stress on object and body 
it's mostly repetitive unnatural hand motions that cause the strain. keep your hand comfy and straight and don't let the edge of your desk or whatever your hand is resting on press into your wrist
ya I usually keep my main binds on EQRF234 and mouse4 but man, fury just messes me up after a whole season of playing it
i have the fps gamer habit of having my kb at a 45-90 degree angle and my entire forearm on the table lmao not sure if good or bad tbh
Does anyone know why they took away the cool legion animation for Warbreaker? And can we please have a Glyph for that?
No and no
And we are mad about this
mainly because it was all shadowy-void themed, which Arms left behind after Legion
ah ok i get it. It was so much better than having TC and Warbreaker being the same animation tho. They should make a glyph for it in normal rock or steel colour.
Should be fine depending on the height of your table. No different than an arm rest if used properly.
I kinda wish cleave got a VU
Something that indicates the area of it outside of damage numbers and repetition
Wish we never left legion arms
do u only use mortal strike and op during ss in aoe
Hmmm
Not really
Cleave still hits like truck
but do use MS when target isn't too many
Sweet collateral damage
2 and up
why your rend is low?
you still fill with OP in multitarget since Martial Prowess, the 30% dmg increase, applies to both Mortal Strike and Cleave
i still use Mortal Strike on priority targets if i have 0 OP charges and my Cleave is on cd though
damn how many stacks you got with colateral dmg? 1.6M on cleave is yuge ^^
oh that makes sense
more than likely it's an Algethar Academy key since first pull with plants makes it super easy to spread Deep Wounds with Ravager and Cleave (and Warbreaker since he's talented into it), but harder to spread Rend since it only applies to 5 targets at a time with Thunder Clap
interesting, good point! ty
Yea i don't really bother too much with rend when the targets are so many.
thats alotta ms dmg
It's the entire run. not just the first pull.
uncap blood and thunder pls ty
it's tyrannical week so MS is high
How f'd am I: I never put rend on my bar at all because I can just have thunderclap on there to apply rend
i just use tc too
literally a ~500 dps difference so do what's more comfortable, but it's good to keep rend on a bind at least in case you need to move your talent point from TC into something like Intimidating Roar or Bitter Immunity
or keep a macro like this -
#showtooltip
/cast [nochanneling, known:Thunder Clap] Thunder Clap; Rend
Just make a known macro like above
Works great
Why is now Bladestorm better for ST than Ravager?
is not ravager more versatile ability also suitable against single targets?
Sorry?
slayer talents benefit bladestorm
So no Ravager anymore?
i dont think so if you run slayer, i'm not sure what slayer aoe talents look like
slayer you are forced into bladestorm, colossus can use ravager
forget to mention colossus yeah
Okay thanks 🙂
21st is when tww is public right?
- on EU
23rd with early access
;3
sucks you cant use ravager when spec'd into slayer. Feels like an oversight, but eh, whatever.
not really
if you could use ravager as slayer bladestorm would be dead
because ravager is just so much better
word? dang.
hellow guys.. updating to play atm.. how is warrior dps looking so far for tww? any changes? thanks
you can follow along with changes here:
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1234949058121171069
right now we're doing fine dps wise, very middle of the pack (neither a good or bad thing). Plays fine with a few complaints here and there at worst.
as usual at start of exp
Yeah, there's nothing to be too alarmed about right now
what are the best dps specs atm? or the ones looking op?
i read something about mages
yeah, mage/shaman/dk
but it's all subject to change, and actual performance may vary so
take everything with a grain of salt and go after what you like playing
haven't been around got the news we got some buffs
Not really a buff, unfortunately. They did some numbers adjustments, but it was just zeroing out our 45% Aura Buff and putting them directly into each of our abilities. Archi outlines it here: #updates-midnight message
i was just reading it, glanced over it briefly I skimmed over the aura negation
haha yeah no worries there, very easy to miss it ❤️
is BI over WB in m+ now?
you can go wb for alot more aoe, but blunt gives alot of ST, without losing too much aoe. Because IFTK matches CS duration, Blunt becomes insane
Wouldnt call the 2% aoe gain "alot"
Blunt hit 150kg on bench
Blunt got the gains and beat the shit out of WB
Rookie Nr.
100 % First swing of demo should be WB
dmg obviously should be the same as now on ability
but just the dopamine of knowing u WB first and get the iftk buff as well
would be so nice
hey could someone help me with this macro? trying to merge heroic throw and skullsplitter into one
#showtooltip
/target [@mouseover, harm, nodead]
/cast Heroic Throw
/cast [known:Skullsplitter] Skullsplitter
i basically just want it to alternate between heroic throwing out of melee range and skullsplitter in melee like the charge/victory rush macro
what changed to make u use Roar before CS/WB
Dot is dynamic and extra GCD in CS matters more
weve been using roar before cs for a long time
Most of df
We don't run bladestorm with colossus right?
Also do we hold cooldowns or just send them as they come off cd?
I rarely hold... our CDs come around quick.
Yeah agreed
If anything I’ll hold smash for a couple of seconds to be able to line it up with a fully stacked cleave / strike and skullsplitter but idek I started arms two weeks ago
I wouldn't worry about holding for a fully stacked cleave unless it's mentioned in the rotation. Small delays like that can end up causing you to miss multiple full casts of cleave, which quickly outpace benefit of waiting.
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/arms/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps
when it comes to AoE, Cleave is pretty static in the rotation, unless Bonegrinder is active, then it overrides everything
Ah dank, thanks for that mate
always!
Another question I’ve had bouncing in my head is during the execute phase, should I wait to get two overpower stacks PLUS to execute stacks before I strike or as soon as my two execute stacks I release mortal
I really should learn the name of these passives lol
oh you're fine, the passive names come with time.
And cleave takes prio in 2+ targets yeah? Even during execute? Unless sweeping strikes?
you only care about how many Executioner's Precision (execute stacks) that are on your target before pressing Mortal Strike.
Martial Prowess (overpower buffs) are just sugar on top
people say arms is eze but there’s a lot of little things
ahh ok great good to know
I really got the hang of arms during the pre patch let’s see what happens with the hero talents lol
Excute phase, especially in AoE, will depend on what your goals are.
Execute can only hit 1 (or 2 with sweeping strikes) targets at a time, so it's good for doing priority damage into 1-2 mobs. This is good if you have One Big Mob amongst a bunch of small guys, or if one needs to die faster than the others.
Usually you'll just keep AoEing until there is a small number of targets left before swapping to Execute phase
Fantastic thanks a bunch for helping me out with this
of course! Like you said, it's a lot of small things.
Ahh but it’s so satisfying when it all comes together
Hype hype
epic edition worth it? hmmm
Only if you can’t wait the 4? Days
I’m going away for three months so the four days are worth it for me. Lmao
What are you going to space?
to America and can’t bring my pc with :(
I wonder if the first couple days are going to be terrible... because everyone jumping in.
no it will be fine
content will also locked to normal dungeons, for context
great for leveling / early profession gathering stuff
NA timeline:
holy crap it's tiny
I’ll have two weeks of raid and m+ before I’m off to space damn
eh... buying i guess.
in what way?
We're showing blizz we're willing to pay so it becomes the new norm to have early access for $
But thats just the gaming industry these days its okay
oh the preorder? To each their own with it.
it doesn't come with "power", it's just a time offset
maybe for crafters/goldmakers, but not too worried about that
oh no I agree I didn't mean weak = power
for sure, i mean that buying the preorder doesn't get you more in-game advantage over others in terms of outgearing your colleagues that don't buy it
Yeah exactly, the only "advantage" would be 4 days of profession gathering advantage
But like.. whatever
im a blizzard whiteknight, I buy all their shit for no real reason lol
lmaoo
i think I bought d4 like 4 times
and even that has some limitations, so it's water under the bridge, but might get some extra gold from people who want to buy a high quantity of crap-quality herbs for too much gold
top crafts will need top materials, and those are locked behind Knowledge Points
i think ill level a couple guys up and see how I feel about who I will focus my time on
I think I tried every single spec in the game before I tried arms and that was the one I liked the most lol
Finding a main has been so difficult.
me too, I like warrior and ele shaman right now
ele shaman looks strong but Ive heard theres a lot of lightning bolt spam or w/e its called and thats not great?
but I have a boost still available for the earthen, not sure who ill pick to use that
you're 100% right, lots of lightning bolt, but I enjoy that classic style; so it works for me
i love the theme of lightning, so stormbringer is sweet
Is arms still better or competitive in tww?
I'm sure it will hold its own
Just wondering if I'm going to jump ship lol
you'll be able to do +10 withhout an issue, so great vault full unlocks
depends if you care more beyond that
Yeah, we're very fine. Not the best, not the worst, we'll be able to do all content without much issue. Even when we're ""bad"", we can do really high keys.
then you'll be good man
yeah super fine
plus it's free to try out Fury at any point, especially a few weeks in after we start getting duplicate gear pieces to restat around
i like both specs a lot
just logged onto tww beta for the first time...
and prot is gonna rule
alright screw this lol I don't have patient to rebind everything to test out some spec.
I will find out in a few days i guess
what's up with repair cost.
Your gear was red maybe
nah... it feels significantly higher than usual
to my knowledge it hasn't changed, it's always based on the gold value of the item you have equipped
or item level? one of those
as slayer when do we use bladestorm? I'd assume for multi we use it during cds but for single target I'd think use it when cds are recharging
WoWhead had a rotation section that can help with this, including the ability to select different talents:
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/arms/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps#rotation-2
It's lower priority than most abilities in single target, but higher than 1x OP charges and Slam
Do we keybind both rend and thunderclap?
you can, you can have them on separate binds or have a macro like -
#showtooltip
/cast [nochanneling, known:Thunder Clap] Thunder Clap; Rend
it's a dps increase to rend > TC in ST and 2T w/ Sweeping Strikes so it's good to have both keybinded imo
most of the bloat has been removed ye
also, if i somehow have 2 stacks of overpower and can't MS, is it okay to overpower again or should i slam or smth instead
so overcap on charges?
Overcap on stacks yes
ok ty
Yeah it’s impossible to have 2 stacks of op with a charge of op
I swear I just had that
hence the question
hand't seen that before, mind
this is a now-on-retail remix character
Think about it
You ms op op
Nothing can reset op since ops don’t reset itself
If you do ms op (filler) op then ms is back up again
But yes during the ignore pain era you should op a 3rd time
could always OP OP Slam OP, not impossible but really, really suboptimal
not have your grandma take the photo lmao
Perhaps it aint grammy. It's his goldmine
Genuine advice would be to start simple and fold in statement pieces. IRL Transmog is much more expensive than in-game and it’s easy to chase the flashy shoulders and run out of steam for the rest of your slots.
Even starting slow and paying more attention when you go in public. If someone with your build catches your eye, what about their outfit made you look? Do a full scan of their fit, not just the flashy parts. Document what you see and think about why you liked it
(Also props to that person for taking the pic, that’s kind of them. Hell yeah)
Real shit, thanks friend. Great advice 👍
And grams is the best lol
playing this feels like molasas
I'm surprised anyone is boosting characters while the event is going on. You get to lvl 70 in 3 hours and at the end be full 480 gear
isn't that what you get when you bring your character from mop remix to the real world?
yee
they come in sub 480 so they can get gear from the prepatch event as an easy intro back to retail
oh is that a remix character
yeah when you log onto your remix character, it gets transported to retail, all items deleted and you get the boostie package of gear and stuff.
stupid question but is anyone else randomly crashing when opening their map?
not that i've seen, i'd try disabling all of your addons and seeing if it continues
And then turn addons on one by one
I have also a stupid question... If i open wowhead or IcyVeins on my 2nd Monitor while playing WoW, WoW always dc. Its only these 2 Websites.
Doesnt happen for me
This sounds like a browser issue more than the websites themselves, if you can, would you be able to see if it continues to happen if you use a different browser (even temporarily, such as Chrome -> Firefox, or even Edge?)
I can try it, yes.
Uhh i think your chillin big dog you look like
ive had the issue where map doesnt show up is all, so then i gotta reload then it works
Im genuinely curious who convinced Kush that arms is S tier
A fury hater most likely
haha S ???it must be before they nerfed arms by 20% ms and 15% op 😄
Kekw
there was as small window where collosus arms had a RLY high output
i heard arms is on the mmidway pack
yeah yeah now
its not bad at all
steady B
id say and fury prob B+ // A depending on fights
hope arms become better than fury, just for our little warrior competition xD
im pretty sure unless you are going for a top 100 kill or whatever , you can play both and the spec that is played by the better player will do better
unless the fights insanely favor one spec over the other
furry is going to be slayer? or mountain thane? i quite liked the thunder clap fury
Slayer
and arms is going to be
Slayer
but as he said u can ofc play thane and accept the loss np in most content
exept top 100 prob 😛
given the fact that after what ? 6 weeks ?
we start getting the dmg increase buff
Kush the goat
his stream is too funny ngl
🐐
"Ok fury is a warrior spec"
Jeventes is crying ngl
Im crying with what im hearing xd
That's a big troll if I've ever seen one
Kush is most serious gamer on planet
So i dont have Whirlwind anymore...is this right or a bug?
So arms is doomed for TWW

Correct, Cleave replaces it as a spell if you talent into Cleave.
Thanks bud clears it up
Nah we’re fine. There’s some complaints about hero talent tuning overall, but both arms and fury are quite close to one another in sims so it’s nothing to be concerned about.
We are very solidly middle of the pack overall, which is perfectly fine
Yee I make funny images sometimes
Most ppl think arms is doomed coz of playstyle not numbers
doomed for both
Numbers are fine
It just feels like ass to play either hero talent as arms
Channel demolish all the time
Slam all the time
Weaker execute
6 cds that all want to be sent together but overlap each others durations no matter how you send them
Not to mention they don’t sync up properly anymore
My beloved arms in shambles

We're still in beta, there's still time
just watching yourself spin non stop is not big fun
🤣, its good for my old fingrrs
Just coming back from a break and all I see is Arms warrior QQ. What have they done to us this time?
oh well https://www.wowhead.com/news/arms-warrior-hero-talent-showdown-in-the-war-within-colossus-vs-slayer-345816
i will still playing colossus 🙂
I just wanna see how much better Slayer is in ST over colossus in raid. I'd rather stick with Colossus, but if Slayer is that much better...
well i dont care which is better. Better is when you have fun
if the key is not depleted and the raid boss is down, it doesn't matter which hero talents you take.
I need big number
In my opinion, the Arms somehow has too much rage. It would be more practical if the CD of the respective abilities were removed so that you could spam them. It's more of a hindrance this way.
current sims put it at about 8% ahead, but it's all subject to tuning and sim optimizations still, so don't sweat it too much while we're still in prepatch
slayer is getting even better 
Colossus needs some love 
more work and a rooted channel just to do less damage in single target feels real odd
I have a problem. I don't know what key to bind demolish to T_T
so zero parses forever! 😄
That's not too bad
it'll be cast somewhat frequently, so just make sure it's not strenuous on your hand to reach.
If you have the Legendary i just replaced that binding with Demolish.
Alternatively, we likely wont be using Piercing Howl much in PVE (it's too costly to reach, talent point wise), and Ignore Pain is underperforming atm
(i see two ignore pain bindings)
i dont remember the specifics of it, but i think the tooltip/in-game values dont align (for some reason), so the shield we get from IP just isn't worth it currently
igore pain underperforming you say free keybind you imply
yeah, especially with our embellishments looking like we'll be using the equivolent of Blue Silken Lining again (different name in TWW, same concept)
haha tbf you have two copies of Ignore Pain on your bars currently so you had a free keybind already
¬_¬ so i do
one is the fancy version we only bring out when guests are over 
yeah something like that
can slam and CS be macro'd together and functional or was that ability restricted a while ago (vague memory of ome restrictioned been added to makes a while back)
Both on gcd
hmmm actually 2nd thought
that could be a dps lose if I have cd's coming up and I have a macro that will use cs instead of slam
likely.
definitely.
it's relatively safe to put Avatar and CS together (just be sure Avatar is cast first of the two, and that you only press it if you have a GCD available)
we stopped recommending it when Avatar would auto-cast Bladestorm, but that functionality has been removed, so it's safer now
thats nto a bad suggestion
rotation wise, you try and cast them together if they're both available (such as on-pull), but if they desync you just use them as-they-become-available (don't hold for alignment)
yeah I think thats the play here
when did they take avatar off the gcd been a hot sec since I mained warrior
it was only on it during bfa
that would do it
last time I played warrior enough to notice was bfa xD
so as long as it's this order it should never do them out of order then perfect we have a fix good job gentlemen/women
now demolish can sit peacfully on ` where I had my lego on my main 😛
Keep separate cs bind
way ahead of you
Shift-X isn't comfortable to press and frankly I'm probably just gonna remove the bind
but keep the icon there
well not comfortable in combat
Do u play with an mmo/gaming mouse?
yeah, the one caveat is that in dungeon content there might be times where Avatar is up, but you are going into a small pack (before a large pack) and it's nice to have separate bindings so that you're not blowing your massive CDs on the "wrong" packs
try alt-r/alt-f/alt-e things
These are my binds maybe you’ll like any of these
i have mine hidden because i dont like how cluttered my screen gets, they're all in a binding addon
What do ya'll like for interrupts? I've historically used v and c with modifiers for cc, but I find myself jumping at inopportune times
ms on 3 is correct, rend on 5 is correct
f and shift 3 for focus kick
Cntr f regular shift 2 focus shift 1 mouseover, this sc is outdated a bit
Playing mage forced me to bind new kicks
f
As war I did this cursed thing of swapping target in same gcd kicking and swapping back
i dont have a focus kick keybind honestly i should get on that lol
yeah lol
super cursed
Yeah
4, (shift 4 on ranged)
But playing mage kind of made me get it
Tho most of my kicks are just mouseover unless its assigned kick
Numpad 1
Mouse buttons 9
how often should i be pressing cleave in m+ off cd?
On cd
lemme know if i can change anything in this rotation to make it better. Sweeping strikes into avatar+ravager, roar, colossus smash, overpower, overpower into cleave and ms to get colossal might stacks then demolish
is that okay or anything can be done to make it better, even min-max, i don't mind. i like being efficient with it
i'm also running blademaster's torment so i have that extra time on sweeping strikes and cdr on cleave so i can get those stacks up and demolish within sweeping strikes timeframe
tree if anything can be made better here too
R and shift+r for focus
I use mouse wheel click for interrupt.
Mouse over
E, for eenterupt
if anything what I'll end up doing is change my shift-f to ctrl-1 and moving the shift-f to where shift-x is currently since shift-f is comfy for me
My int is alt + w… i find myself alt tabbin by mistake… coz im also tabbin for targeting xD
alt W is healthstone
i have mog mount keybound bro
alt space fav mount
control space mog/repair mount
i'm a mog mount keybinder too there are at least 2 of us
i have mog mount on alt f, need to always have that ready
Guys my friend is telling me arms is gonna be spinning and executing is this true
based
yup, that's one of the build options 👍
hell yeah brother
E for execute xD
r

Im a qwe mover
v and shift-v for focus kick
Execute on F is based af
classic
so are the wowhead guides superduper updated ready to go now? i guess we dont use those till we get our hero talents right
what keybinds do you guys use for SS
Yes guides are up to date
whats ss
cool thanks
Sweeping Strikes

it makes no sense but it works
Bro how much do you reflect!?
every time I can?
I use 789 as the spam buttons
and my 3 is broken on my mouse so i have to use the keyboard
Oh right you said I use mouse
DEMOLISH UNGA BUNGA ON F
I might bind it on f1 idk
too many buttons 
my thumbs are too big to use an mmo mouse
i used to but i would keep fatfingering
so when it broke i just got a normal one
that's rough buddy
M4 healthpot M5 zerker rage M3 leap Z as SKS or spear/roar as fury WE BALLLLL
CHOCO GETS IT
going through and trying to visualize my bindings and realizing I have some opportunities to optimize them quite a lot, which feels nice
something to do later tonight
going through and trying to visualize my bindings and realizing I have some opportunities to unoptimize them quite a lot, which feels nice something to do later tonight
Wdym as warrior you bind everything with the letter it starts with
if you dont do that youre kinda inting
goes to p
seems legit
i saw it but looked for something better
m is like technically possible to hit without completely griefing
p is insane
Press it with the thumb
and you dont need to stop pressing w a d
you guys don't just type out /tar Distraught Seedling and /cast Pummel?
If you type 350 wpm thats just too easy
holy paladin class fantasy 
Can anyone make this weakaura for warrior
so I can type the spells
and it feels proper
Yeah I remember it
use this one
its got built in hekili
it goes super hard
that's an insane UI
Tomorrow is the day!!!!! blessings to all and good luck in the next xpac everyone! May the unga bunga be proud
Tomorrow is more time to play wukong
the starter build for arms is prime rib this. gg blizz
i'm a weirdo and like to have some abilities on "corresponding" keybinds, like Shift-B for Storm Bolt, or Shift-W for Shockwave lol E for Execute
What is the verdict
for what
Arms tww
slayer is better in all content
damage wise
but not a big gap
play what you like
legs
There's a #mop-discussion channel
alright I appreciate it
https://discord.com/channels/383596811517952002/579642710449848320 go to this channel to get a role, then you can
when leveling tomorrow, are we going to be able to use both the lego and demolish?
Ye





