fury

[vestal root]

i think colo is "fine" rly, its still gonna have crazy overalls

[random shadow]

honestly wasnt expecting buffs in general

[vestal root]

its just that fury wont be so gapped, i mean it probably will be but bit less

[random shadow]

i just want decent ish ST damage in bosses for keys otherwise i dont realyl care, i like aoe anyways

[vestal root]

uhdk mains dooming atm is funny

wasnt enough being so far ahead of other melees?

[random shadow]

its just how folks are, my guildie DH was complaining and going off after they got buffed, "they knew we were doing bad so they gave us a buff" im like bro??

tho his not the greatest player by anymeans but still

[strong monolith]

@sullen tendon Yo just wanna let you know that I am still making my own groups at 15 and having fun.

[random shadow]

oh my is fist actually having fun still?

[strong monolith]

It's impossible to have fun Im just a troll

[olive wraith]

Obsessed

[acoustic brook]

warrior discord:
shaman discord:

[random shadow]

shamans dont exist

[olive wraith]

I thought shammy got buffed

[random shadow]

enhancement did get buffed a little, ele and resto no changes

[dense elbow]

Resto wants more dam buffs?

Ele i performing fine, Ele is pumping if you make sure to minmax their earthquakes

[thick yarrow]

I was going to say did ele need any changes?

I feel like they are doing really well this patch

[dense elbow]

Think it is the same as ppl that already want even more Fury buffs

Just never happy

[oak peak]

pretty sure resto is still ~10% behind other healers

[wispy mural]

I bit the bullet and finally went full crit/haste for arms. Now the changes make it so I can play the more fun spec again 🥲

[dense elbow]

HPS doesnt work like dps tho

It is profile and tools on top of output

[oak peak]

Yeah having a resto shaman wife i def hear all about it lol. its very much a healer in raid that is good if the other healers are meh, and really trash if the other healers are good

[narrow kiln]

Do y’all think slayer with rb over bt prio will be the move now

[random shadow]

no

[vestal root]

joy

[narrow kiln]

I’m assuming we’re probably gonna go slayer now though

[vestal root]

you can go both

[fickle vector]

Do the new warrior changes come on this Tuesday the 5th or on the 12th

[vestal root]

thane is still gonna be really good lol, better in some keys and on some raid bosses

[random shadow]

5th

[fickle vector]

Shit yes

[modest condor]

probably slayer for more raid fights now, still thane in m+

[narrow kiln]

I can see that being true, I didn’t start playing thane till recently it’s more fun than I thought it would be

[indigo arch]

How did demo escape the bat

[kind crystal]

does slayer beat colo on 3 target? with the buffs i mean

[idle island]

Why spread hate in the fury discord?

[fleet yarrow]

hes jealous

[vestal root]

ngl if you are giga filtering for pugs you deserve to be filtered yourself

[floral frigate]

sooo umm dumb question about ground current, I dont see it in my combat logs and I dont see it in our raid logs

is it even working?

[vestal root]

its under lightning strikes

[floral frigate]

OHH ty guys!

[fleet garden]

npnp

lamo it was 600dps. 300dps buff let's goooo

[floral frigate]

that is a damn minimal buff then, our kill of myth saladbar was only 112k dmg

[lusty jungle]

Why do we get a 5% aura buff when fury warriors already have 100% aura

[odd crater]

So we can be 106%

[fleet garden]

the mog needed the buff to keep the DHs down

[carmine crescent]

Same logic as mixing 50 gallons of 2% milk, so you can have 100% milk. And indestructible bones.

The numbers don't lie.

[unkempt oasis]

[honest tapir]

for slayer fury, does anyone rampage multiple times ina row without casting anything else if rage allows it? (i guess really only applies during recklessness) or do you weave in a bloodthirst/sudden death/crushign blow if not rage capped fully? i askbecause odyns fury cooldown reduction via tier set, i noticed it has internal cd (according to wowhead 1 second). i might not be following the priority right anyways but i used to rampage multiple instances, and my head is spinning thinking about what could be better worse. but during bloodlust, GCD is gnna fast af, sp... hmm anyone have any input?

[olive wraith]

Ramp>100 rage

[unkempt oasis]

^

[honest tapir]

so i can rampage at 120 and be back at 100 and rampage again, so losing out on pdyns 2.5 second is perfectly fine?>

[unborn delta]

if you ramp twice in a row it reduces OF cd twice

theres not a cooldown on that

[honest tapir]

there is

for odyns

not anger management

[fleet yarrow]

I have no idea when to use rend in multi target over

[modest ravine]

Is fury easier to play than arms? Rotation wise

[fleet yarrow]

rb

[unborn delta]

yea theres 2 buttons

and the cooldowns dont need to line up

[modest ravine]

Sweet I’m gonna change to fury

[unborn delta]

and you have 20% more hp

[honest tapir]

https://gyazo.com/2b79a92a5c2e80a43625c8a7a2c43c90

[modest ravine]

Arms is for the birds rn

[fleet yarrow]

fake image

[honest tapir]

hell yeah brother

[unborn delta]

i just tried it on a dummy and i dont think thats real

[fleet yarrow]

bring in actual evidence (I dislike how I have been double rampaging at times)

[unborn delta]

unless my gcd is more than 1 second but i dont think it is i have 900 haste

[honest tapir]

my base haste is 30

[olive wraith]

You don’t press rend

[fleet yarrow]

even if its like 10 targets and i only have rb?

[modest condor]

rampage casts depend on rage generation, casting a rampage early doesnt give you more rampages, it just means your next one is delayed
as long as you are not rage capped you're not losing rampages, so you're better off using other abilities first to get them on cooldown

[olive wraith]

Why would you rend?

[fleet yarrow]

*i am assuming improved whirlwind is up

[fleet yarrow]

idk cuz I see even in single target that rend is > rb

[olive wraith]

If you need to reapply rend

[honest tapir]

yeah ever since i found i even use curshign blow over rampage. and try to game it and not lose alot of rage, none if possible

[olive wraith]

In aoe rend is always gonna be active

[fleet yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/pepo-g-peepo-gif-22945943

[unborn delta]

becaues improve whirlwind apply rend on slayer now

[olive wraith]

Also I’m pretty sure rb>throw in aoe

[honest tapir]

but single target only, and i am not sure whats better, i tried to think abotu what to write for the apl, but idk. maybe just avoid rampaging is previous gcd was rampage +under115 rage,

[olive wraith]

Since rb cleaves

[fleet yarrow]

explains

[honest tapir]

theres now ay to time it so it makes sure that 1 second has passed,

in simc or i didnt find away

[olive wraith]

Have you checked if there’s an icd in game

[honest tapir]

on the tooltip, no but wowhead is pretty accurate with hidden shit

[olive wraith]

Go check

[unborn delta]

you can hit a dumy

[vast gorge]

what if bloodthirst applied rend?

[honest tapir]

and i noticed it in game, also rememebr rampage is its own channel, its longeer than a normal gcd

[unborn delta]

i got 130 rage then rampaged twice and it looked like i went down the same amount of time for both

[olive wraith]

Y

Bt already has 2 bleeds

[vast gorge]

I just want to take rend off my bars

[olive wraith]

Then remove it

[vast gorge]

I have to press it occasionally as slayer

[olive wraith]

Isn’t it only a .5% loss in st

If you don’t rend

[unborn delta]

yep using rampage 2x in a row OF goes down 2.5 seconds obth time

also im p sure anger management doesnt effect OF, if you unequip 4p OF doesnt go down when you rampage

[olive wraith]

Am in fact doesn’t

It’s only tier

[honest tapir]

how long is your rampage cast?

[olive wraith]

Ramp is only a global friend

[honest tapir]

also anger management is fine, im only concerned with the odyns cd

rampage is longer than gcd

[unborn delta]

._.

[olive wraith]

No, the damage is 4 hits but it’s instant

[unborn delta]

the 4 hits is cosmetic

[olive wraith]

In terms of gcd

[random shadow]

You're instant

:)

[olive wraith]

[random shadow]

Ayo

[honest tapir]

i am wrong

[fleet yarrow]

ok

[olive wraith]

[fleet yarrow]

it does reset both times

And I have 1k haste

[random shadow]

How's the fury buffs. Do I come back to fury

[olive wraith]

We never left

Traitor

[random shadow]

I was having fun with arms

Col is fun

[undone flower]

Less traitor

[worn rain]

fun and arms

cap

[olive wraith]

Col is still probably better

Especially in coordinated groups

[random shadow]

Hitting demo on repeat every pack twice is lit

[fleet yarrow]

yup it 100% resets with double rampage

[random shadow]

I've hit 3 or 4 demo in a pull before

Shit is fun

[honest tapir]

i sweat it used to be a 2second channel lmao

[olive wraith]

Demo is what I imagine arms should be. Just massive hits

[honest tapir]

my b aboutr the bad info there

[fleet yarrow]

[olive wraith]

The only thing we channel is bladestorm

[random shadow]

But yes fury didnt feel good imo. Gameplay wise

Numberd id whatever tuning

[olive wraith]

And puzzy b I guess

[olive wraith]

Gameplay hasn’t changed

[random shadow]

Using puzzle 🤔

[olive wraith]

So stay arms I guess

[random shadow]

What if I wanna come back home

[olive wraith]

Then come back?

[undone flower]

You are here

[olive wraith]

You literally just said you disliked the playstyle lol

[random shadow]

I miss you bb

Kala bullies me

[undone flower]

Kala just telling you to choose and stop being a b

[random shadow]

Choosing is hard

[olive wraith]

💯

[random shadow]

Thats why I have you do it

[undone flower]

Ask AI

[honest tapir]

i am befuddled. thanks for the smell of the roses

[fleet yarrow]

Nearly tricked me

[honest tapir]

i swear it did have a Cooldown last week. but maybe i just observed incorrectly

the second cooldown reduction is like lagged behind, its not during the initial cast but towards the end strike. maybe thats what i saw. but definitly still works with bloodlust . so all is well hope noone logged off after seeing the pic i posted

🤦🏾‍♂️

[echo rapids]

Sooooo…fury slayer looks like it might be worth using in raid? It’s slightly single target edge will be extended a bit

[ionic stratus]

Yeah. Slayer fury has highest ST of all warrior specs

[echo rapids]

Aoe might even be better with sustained aoe opportunities getting smaller every week

[desert cloud]

on saldabar

i literally press odyn's fury the moment balls spawn

PLS DELETE EVOKERS AND DH FROM GAME

balls die in 1 sec

[covert coyote]

just sit boss and take pride in your boss damage parse

[desert cloud]

i need to join a worst group to log better

[covert coyote]

if we parse this tier we're either playing with noobs in the group or are entirely unethical

[desert cloud]

or it's hall of fame kill

[teal tapir]

nice theory but... theres 99 warrs in grp with avg 95+ logs so...

[stiff carbon]

I traded in a heroic puzzle box for heroic drums: mastery and I'm living the life

[lusty jungle]

I only play pugs, easiest 99s of my life

[flat kestrel]

hi guys, what's the best trinket for fury dps?

[strong monolith]

Hey are they nerfing thane

[olive wraith]

Check the notes

[eternal sundial]

Boosts r free 99s

[covert coyote]

you'll have to sim it but safe bet is Gaze of the Alnseer and Heart of Ancient Hunger. or w/e it's called

puzzlebox if you really care and don't mind the cast time / desynced CD

[flat kestrel]

thanks

[steep bough]

if there are 2 warriors in my raid group, i shouldnt need battlefield commander if the prot is talented into it, correct?

[hazy lily]

Mh doesnt it say YOUR shouts

not sure tho

[river nimbus]

yes. it says Your shouts

[olive wraith]

What 2 above said. You’ll want it for your ap boost

[frank crystal]

After the new tunning what will be the best spec for keys ?

[olive wraith]

#updates-midnight

[teal tapir]

Ok so basically our guild grp has pretty much AoE blasters is there reason to play thane then? slayer even before buffs shoud have biggerd ST boss dmg or ? and after balanc it shoud be even better right?

i mean build and hold bladestorm for imperator adds and orbs on myth king... the adds and orbs diing so fast i dont think its worth for me play thane...

[keen kindle]

Im p sure thane is padding

Go slayer

[slender remnant]

raging blow spam is back or no next week?

[gleaming yacht]

Slayer will be more boss damage if you are progging

[young swan]

no

its just 20% less shit

[keen kindle]

Die rb spam die

[young swan]

not really, it has the same ST as aoe slayer builds

[keen kindle]

If adds rae already dying fast, wouldn't you just want the ST slayer build thou

[floral arrow]

S tier with this buffs?

[stoic loom]

no lol

[uneven path]

Sure, new true meta spec

[keen kindle]

tier lists are fake. Believe not their lies

[floral arrow]

arms and fury after buffs are equal? or not?

[olive wraith]

#updates-midnight

[floral arrow]

tysm!!

[sturdy kindle]

Salyer Fury M+ now? hmmmm 🧐

[olive wraith]

For extra prio sure

[uneven path]

Plus BS can cheese some mechanics

[sturdy kindle]

yeah

it look svery nice idk

with these buffs idk looks juicy

i play arms colo right now mainly

[uneven path]

Poor man

[sturdy kindle]

XD

i just suck at fury idk what it is

[uneven path]

Well if you have only Arms geat might be issue there ?

[modest ravine]

what are the main priorites for fury Thane MT? Assum,e, Ramopage, wirlwind, bloodthirst, execute, thuder clao?

[cerulean gull]

You dont really wanna press whirlwind in thane :), thunder clap gives improved whirlwind

[olive wraith]

I suggest reading the wowhead prio

[cerulean gull]

lots of thunder claps, rampages, and bloodthirsts tho thats for sure

[modest ravine]

ty all

[zinc hazel]

The buff how big is it?

[young swan]

#updates-midnight message

[zinc hazel]

Thanks

[soft cypress]

hey guys, i just started leveling warrior orc – are these soft sounds typical for a warrior or?

someone has mentioned that there's some bug since 12 0 5

just wanted to confirm

[gleaming path]

Yes there is deep wounds bug its gonna be fixed on tuesday if not already - so don't worry about it if you're leveling.

[sullen dove]

There were two bugs both have been fixed since 2-3 days ago

one fix made us do more prio/aoe the other made us do less single target

but now buffed more than we lost so hallelujah all is right with the world

temporarily

[modest condor]

which fix made us do more aoe?

[soft cypress]

it feels like there's no bass to the sounds lol

but yea, glad its a bug

cuz its really hurting experience

[sullen dove]

I just called it aoe cuz it’s more dmg off cleave but not explicitly like… multiple targets

if it’s more dmg on paladins to me = aoe

Or I suppose this is also fury chat huh

maybe this is where the mixology is occurring

[abstract tulip]

finally we can go back to bladestorm and chill

[sullen dove]

Fury only has the one bug then

[olive wraith]

You could have before the buffs?

[low fable]

do you think slayer fury will raging blow in aoe now?

[radiant plank]

no

[sullen dove]

probably a little more often but still isn’t crazy

[olive wraith]

It’ll remain a filler

[sullen dove]

Hope the days of pressing wrecking over rb are over

not that it was significant even if u did just annoying

[olive wraith]

I mean rb cleaves

[sullen dove]

ya

[olive wraith]

So surely it’s better

[sullen dove]

better on aoe than that almost certainly was also thinking about st

[fleet yarrow]

It just feels painful

seeing 2 charges of raging blow and not touching it

[olive wraith]

Check the tooltip on live

[stoic loom]

Yeah thats why arms is unplayable for me

all ur buttons sound like a swish instead of what a juggernaut would sound like

[soft cypress]

yea

its like daggers lol

[toxic jewel]

so uhh

fury hype or what

[echo rapids]

5% ain’t a hype

[full rampart]

6

[echo rapids]

Blizzard got so behind on this first season the they had “minor aura tweaks to finalize spec balance in the 0.5 patch” on their calendar without considering how far off they are

[stoic loom]

6% after losing 2% last week btw

while it feels good to get a buff

this is where we're at for boss damage

so dont expect a 6% buff to move the needle at all in regards to raiding

[olive wraith]

It’s not 6% though

Fwiw

[echo rapids]

Go on…

[olive wraith]

#updates-midnight

Literally right there lol

[hot shell]

10% in archi math so we will be slightly below bm

[sly rose]

fury noob here, started playing again with midnight.

I have 90 myth crests. Should I spend them on crafting a new weapon (I have mythic 276 MH and hero 276 off hand). Both are non crafted. Or should I just max out the current Mythic MH?

[echo rapids]

Says 6% for thane

[worldly meteor]

yes....where its 6% lol

[olive wraith]

Thane don’t lose 2%

[stoic loom]

Thane did lose 2% last week with the bug fix yes

[worldly meteor]

Are you just looking at the blizz notes or the aggregate of what the total changes mean? lol

[olive wraith]

Pretty sure 2% was slayer

Thane lost less than slayer

Also are you talking st or mt

[echo rapids]

Id suggest simming it, but I don’t think you can go crazy wrong with crafting a MH and getting a free upgrade on your mythic off hand

[tranquil field]

Make the 285 crafter since you need the embellishment, it will also make upgrading your myth weapon later free until the last lvl so you save some costs. You do it the other way, you’re wasting crests.

[echo rapids]

ST surely

[olive wraith]

Then why wouldn’t you play slayer

[fleet garden]

He has to swap to arms and back right

[olive wraith]

No

You might have to relog if anything

[fleet garden]

Ahhh, I'm just a dummy

[tranquil field]

Not at all, what Kala said.

[sly rose]

Thanks for the great advice!

[echo rapids]

You could and that looks like the play

[dapper goblet]

@sullen dove do i press cleave on 2 targets

[sullen dove]

prolly not if sweeps up

If it isn’t maybe

slams sweep good

[echo rapids]

Still puts us below BM Which also got a buff

[olive wraith]

Isn’t that an arms question

[young swan]

only if 3 stacks collat

[sullen dove]

my ass is not tracking that

don’t u like always have a collat up no matter what

[dapper goblet]

I was asking xan 50 questions last night and he had 0 clue about anything

[young swan]

?

i answered all of ur questions

u are just stupid and deaf

[misty edge]

kinda weird xan

[echo rapids]

I suppose the buff is less than ideal for our burst where we cast less RBs and executes

[sullen dove]

xan be laying down some truths

[young swan]

too busy shoveling vil propaganda into your piggy mouth

[dapper goblet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/687722023711014990/1441256202607792138/caption.gif

[sullen dove]

Xan I may be 287 this coming Tuesday statement

[young swan]

wow

pig

[sullen dove]

same 1 line inc

Only fed 4 pieces of loot out of raid!!!

[misty edge]

who the hell is giving a dps warrior gear this whole time

[dapper goblet]

my warrior is almost as geared as xans

[sullen dove]

wets just say I’m a wittwe bit of a fweak of nature

[misty edge]

definitely a fweak

[sullen dove]

xeos outfit

[wispy mural]

For someone who plans on switching between arms and fury what are my best reroll options in m+

[sullen dove]

nexus to catalyze like pants/shoulders you’ll use all the time and the ring set you’ll also almost always use

4/7 good pieces for both

Trinket cape and bracer some hot garbage tho so gl

otherwise pit is like mostly arms gear that place epic for that

[coarse nest]

Mans did the alt crest saver Holly

287!?

[sullen dove]

well I just hit 285 this week

[echo rapids]

Been sitting on some rolls instead of sending them in Pit for arms gear and I feel vindicated

[sullen dove]

but now my alts are juiced and 2 are already 282

but I just need to get 2 myth rings on Alts and upgrade which can do next week

[spiral orbit]

To get the achieve do you need 285 equipped or in bags

[sullen dove]

sent like 12-15 rolls into nexus point across 4 characters and got actually 0 rings

Well tomato tomahto but bags probably fine

[stoic loom]

Wish i could do thst

[sullen dove]

if not just equip it for achieve and put back on real gear

[stoic loom]

Unfortunately im still in gaze prison

0 drops on guild, 0 drops in vault, and now ive lost 4 bonus rolls to chomaerus

[sullen dove]

psure all 4 of my characters gets nexus ring 2set next week on myth tho

4??

Or also multiple characters

[stoic loom]

Yes it costs 2 cores to roll in raid

And i lost the coinflip last week and thos week

[sullen dove]

O thought u meant 4 total rolls was about to say we can’t even get 8 coins rn technically

but yea makes sense

Unfortunately

assuming you’ve been doing it as prot loot spec hopefully? Guaranteed next week if so

[stoic loom]

Yeah

[coarse nest]

Damn I was spooned I got ring set back to back

[sullen dove]

nice

so long as u didn’t get the shit trinket ur good

[stoic loom]

Already had the chest and boots

[sullen dove]

yea unfort

[stoic loom]

So 4 cores entirely wasted

[sullen dove]

my alt lost 2 rolls too

Chest and boot unfort

[stoic loom]

And my shaman was thr same xd cursed

[sullen dove]

perish

[coarse nest]

So far one of my rolls was wasted I got legs I didn’t need already had 289

Next week though

Idek what to roll for xdd

I literally have it all

[sullen dove]

yea after next week ima have to start sear or something not gonna be a fan

[coarse nest]

Maybe seat gloves I guess

[sullen dove]

Only 2 mythic pieces I’ll be missing is gloves and belt

hope I get a dragons belt or something

sucks beloren gloves aren’t good weird the crit verse so bad

289 belo glove worse than 276 voidclaw

epic

Just hoping on lucky voidclaw or emberdawn glove from vault

Insta take either

[misty edge]

yeah I need 3 items I think. those gloves is one of them. used 3 rolls in seat so far

[sullen dove]

Bit mind blowing haven’t gotten myth belt from dragon but w/e can cata any belt

just barely upgrade over my heroic one till I get a socket lol

technically need to socket that and helmet still so meh

hope I don’t have to take bonus roll next week for ring 2set

2/3 items I think left in nexus

[misty edge]

even alleria belt is fine or yall one of those guilds that dont reclear alleria?

[sullen dove]

yea I mean haven’t bothered since first probably would be turbo easy now after nerf but no major reason to would say

[distant knot]

just started leveling my war within fury for this expac, anything I should be aware of

[fair void]

hey, in m+ we keep odyn's fury how much time to wait our burst ?

[sullen dove]

might as well just spend that hour or so on more lura

[dry ether]

guys, quick question. to sim 1 target dummy 1 boss 5 mins , nightly?

[sullen dove]

hmm could I slide in on my 283 alt warrior to mythic voidspire reclears…

[dry ether]

to be more specific is this the right way to sim

[fair void]

hmmmm wdym ?

[dry ether]

raidbots simming, is this the right way

[misty edge]

you dont sim target dummy unless you are trying to sim for target dummy specifically. patchwerk is the goto

[dry ether]

but the rest of the screenshot is right?

[misty edge]

yeah

for single target of course

[dry ether]

thank you

[sullen dove]

yea tdummy is ok if you want to try to match its dps like 1:1 testing on the actual dummy in game to see if rotation and stuff is decent/matching up to the sim but most real raid sims should just be patchwork

[fair void]

why you ping my question for that ? :x
it's a missclick or i'm dumb ?

[dry ether]

missclick

[sullen dove]

As for odyns I mean it’s not that insane in m+ and has a pretty short cd so unless reck is like a 10sec cds or less you can probably just send the odyns and it’ll come back before reck falls off maybe probably

[fair void]

thanks !

[runic violet]

good god... can I get a tank that doesn't pull the entire room and dies every single time.

AA

[knotty sonnet]

As thane i dont use whirlwind ever right ?

its clap instead

[worn yoke]

Super low priority filler. Behind wrecking throw / RB. You won't have to do it often at all, but when needed... Better than an empty global

[knotty sonnet]

is it not better to just clap without proc than whirlwind ?

[static loom]

There will be cases where you have literally nothing available to press, and at those times, pressing whirlwind is better than pressing nothing (most of the time)

[knotty sonnet]

Alright

[wraith tendon]

if i rolled 2 items as fury, and then i switch to prot next week, does the loot pool reset and i can get the same items again or they share progress?

[stoic loom]

yo is there a fix for the 2h weapons transmog bug when you swap between fury/arms?

[edgy widget]

common items are shared, but switching to prot will put prot items on the table and remove fury ones

[edgy widget]

just switch your tmog sets back and again

[mystic kayak]

I do not understand mythic lockouts fully. If say i'm 2/8M on voidspire and my raid nights are over, can I pug with any other randoms who are also 2/8M?

[modest condor]

no

[mystic kayak]

so I couldn't pug it at all basically. okay

[modest condor]

you can pug people who havent killed any bosses yet

but not people who do

[frozen scarab]

buffs drop this coming tues?

[modest condor]

those people will then join your lockout

[edgy widget]

mythic lockouts are set by instance ID, not by player

• so, your character is locked to Voidspire instance ID #1234, which means you cannot enter any other Voidspire instance except that one
• other players who aren't saved to an instance ID can join you, but they will be locking themselves to instance ID #1234, in which the first two bosses are already dead
• other players who are saved to a different instance ID can only join that instance ID and will be unable to join you

[worn rain]

and if they accept lockout they are tied to that exact one and potentially can kill your bosses without you

[dapper goblet]

@sullen dove feed me pits piggy

[spare flame]

the way mythic raid lockouts are so archaic

annoys me to no end

[edgy widget]

it's not archaic, it's purposeful to prevent exploitation

[spare flame]

like how

[edgy widget]

the same way groups funnel gear in heroic

[sullen dove]

ok

[edgy widget]

not to mention keeping further progressed guilds from sharing lockouts to skip bosses

[worn rain]

well tbh they are doing it now with split raids so

[edgy widget]

sort of, but it's not the same impact, and split raiding has a much higher opportunity cost

[sullen dove]

it’s def a good thing to keep probably until like hof closes but I think the negatives far outweigh the benefits over halfway into a season

like if you could actually feasibly pug mythic raid and fill later bosses a lot more ppl would probably do it

[edgy widget]

maybe, but I don't think HoF is the correct cutoff for that

[sullen dove]

top guilds get to do more sales and stuff or more parse runs which sure is dumb but I think a lot less of a concern than just making it more accessible

[edgy widget]

maybe after the top 500 or so

[sullen dove]

yea maybe not hof lura but like hof alleria closing could open up voidspire

[spring lantern]

havent blizz said they want to force people to play in groups for mythic raiding?

[edgy widget]

make it more of a 12.0.7 type thing

[sullen dove]

even that yea some compromise would be fun

[spring lantern]

that it is intentional to make it into coordinated group content

[sullen dove]

flex mythic probably small step in that direction but almost impossible to make it a reality in a real raid season

on launch at least

the dratnos idea of open mythic raids to flex after x number of kills sounds p decent for lower rated guilds

[edgy widget]

yeah I wouldn't be opposed to that sort of thing, but def wouldn't cut it off at hall of fame

to me, that feels like a natual breakpoint for patch content, since that's usually the time where new power spikes are also introduced

[sullen dove]

I think at the very least should maybe not lock you if you haven’t killed a boss, like who is joining a pug on vorasius that may be down an amount of ppl and then u may or may not kill the boss and if u don’t u r just never allowed to try again for the rest of the week

in trying to be nice and helping a group out that failed you’re just punished and don’t get any mythic raid loot in vault that week

[edgy widget]

maybe, but you'd need some protection to keep people from just leaving group right before a boss dies to participate in kill while avoiding the lock

[sullen dove]

obv every member of the original group on first boss can just… be more upfront about time commitment or whatever but yeah without protections ppl will just leave after first for any number of reasons

ya even if you leave group before boss dies think it still automatically counts as you having killed it

unless u mean like leave over a minute before it dies and u get force booted out or something and the kill still “counts” on your lockout I believe u just get no loot

idk if there’s any system subversion u could do with that even now but yea just need to be careful with it

[worn rain]

You not even booted if you kicked during fight rn afaik

[fallen acorn]

Question fury friends, 250 eye trink vs 269 hero heart of wind? Is eye still better?

[worn rain]

only after fight ends

[worn rain]

you better sim that

[fallen acorn]

I tried and I feel like I am doing it wrong lmfao

My other is Latches crooked hook

Ok if I did it right this time I should get ride of the hook and bundle the eye with the heart

[worn rain]

it's not a rocket science

pick top gear

pick correct trinkets in desirable ilvl

sim 1t 5min

[coarse solar]

so we running slayer next week?

[sullen dove]

latch pretty bad so 2 good trinkets even if 1 at lower ilvl prolly better

[smoky vale]

gupish

i be exploring and shi

so much random ass shit

[fallen acorn]

Thank youuu

[olive wraith]

#updates-midnight

Slayer could def be prio tech probably

[sullen dove]

ya

[surreal wedge]

Since I'm gearing my warrior to have a more brain off press button dps, I kinda like Thane in keys

cooldown come up, cooldown go down

[olive wraith]

Hurray for flat profiles

[surreal wedge]

biggest thought is prio in reck but it's pretty clear, don't cap and keep cooldowns goin

[worn yoke]

Put bladestorm back on Anger Management.

[visual vale]

If i fight a big pack like 8+ targets, I just spam clap-rampage-clap-rampage no matter what, or should use bt still?

to proc Tb

[sullen dove]

Can use bb/bt when you’re around half rage

just replaces rampage in that order

But yea you won’t be hitting it super often in mass aoe during cds

Unless ofc tryina get more prio dmg but that shit is a buzzword anyway dps meter all that matters

[visual vale]

and i shouldnt delay any TB procs in big pulls, just send off cd immideately over all above, right?

esp in burst window

[sullen dove]

probably yea I mean whether it’s tb or tc it’s like single highest damaging ability on aoe so u just wanna hit it

there is a like “hit tb at 2 charges” line but that’s mostly meant for single target

@sudden tusk @frigid zealot Now gio is a wildfire-er witness greatness x2

(he already done it like 3 years ago apparently)

[sudden tusk]

yippie

recrafting and resimming gear for fury

[sullen dove]

big

idk if ima bother

[visual vale]

i mean, on a 4-5 targets tb>bt>rampage>clap prio, right? even in burst window?
eacept not allow overcap

[sullen dove]

I’d need a new belt or boot or something minimum

[visual vale]

and 6+ its always tb>clap>bt>rampage?

[sullen dove]

Ramp almost always highest prio to not overcap rage but otherwise yeah something like that

if ur at 120 rage and have ww stacks up should slam that ramp

then yea tb probably then bt/bb then not high rage ramp or tc/tb again

[visual vale]

sure, not overcapping rage or tb charges is always highest prio Im keeping that in mind

[sullen dove]

yeap that’s good pmuch 2 most important things

[visual vale]

just trying to keep right prios in actual keys, not dummies
thanks

[sullen dove]

[visual vale]

pulls may vary and it may be 4-7 pull or 8-10

[sudden tusk]

gio goin super fast

[sullen dove]

ya def

[sudden tusk]

tho i did do every side quest and musem an...

[sullen dove]

I mean he did some side quests but yea first zone prolly only like 6-8 hours of msq lol

[native moth]

Slay will be better than thane now?

[alpine ivy]

anyone know how i can trigger a sound/alarm when sudden death hits two procs

[surreal wedge]

Most based thing I've ever read

[surreal wedge]

Not that I'm aware of

[frigid zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/sparkle-hsr-honkai-star-rail-star-rail-hanabi-gif-6480118622541729287

[onyx belfry]

what are our predictions ? Slayer will be better now than thane ?

[soft whale]

It looks that way

[onyx belfry]

mhm oke

[paper tinsel]

Is there any info on what the buffs are going to do overall to fury? Just joined the cord

[teal slate]

Look in the updates channel

[surreal wedge]

If slayer is slightly higher damage optimally but than is full cooldowns every pack, I'll prolly go that route.

[quiet geyser]

Thane still ideal for m+

Slayer will be just fine for most, and will get a lot of raid use

Which is nice

[olive wraith]

Only reason to play slayer in keys is if you prefer it or you need more prio dmg I guess

Really can’t go wrong with either tbh

[quiet geyser]

Im interested to see the sim difference between current slayer raid talents and switching to RB focused

If its a pretty small diff, im switching to RB instantly lol

[olive wraith]

Might be able to game extra ss

[lunar karma]

rb?

[olive wraith]

Ya

Oh are you asking what spell that is?

Raging blow

[lunar karma]

yeh sorry haha

ahhh

ty

[olive wraith]

[frank dawn]

I’ll be honest I do want Slayer to have a fun and engaging RB path.

But as it stands today if they are tuned equally the Bloodthirst talents offer a better overall gameplay imo.

Enrage uptime was a common complaint during the beta when RB Slayer was the way to go

[olive wraith]

Doesn’t help that we have 5 bleeds

So not hitting bt is kinda troll

[lunar karma]

sorry to get in the convo to ask a question but is fury warrior really trinket based because i have quite a high ilvl and a fair bit of bis gear but single target particularly is atrocious, just trying to figure out if im ass or maybe my build is buns or something haha

[modest condor]

not any more than other specs

[olive wraith]

Also just fyi bis isn’t the best unless you have everything on the list

[covert blaze]

@sullen dove why is gio playing honkai in the middle of the key

[lunar karma]

okay i just feel im always underperforming despite the fact that i have good ability prio and decent enough uptime

[olive wraith]

So blindly equipping the bis might actually make your damage lower in the interim

[pliant jackal]

warriors buffs yes

[lunar karma]

makes sense if the stat prio dosent gel

[olive wraith]

It’s best to just sim

[quiet geyser]

With a decent amount of haste I don't think this will be an issue.

Also, you can prob take scent of blood and bloodcraze in an rb build.. which would encourage atleast frequent enough BTs

[olive wraith]

As you get stuff

Ye I think bloodcraze is def a must if you’re shifting to rb prio

So you’re still forced to bt

[lunar karma]

i mean i sim at like 90k ish single target but get no where near that, thanks for helping though

[quiet geyser]

Is your "no where near that" on a training dummy or in raid with fully optimized buffs?

[sullen dove]

Beyond help

[static loom]

Other than Gaze being the best by a fair bit, there are three trinkets that are basically equal in value for your second slot, Puzzle Box, Umbral Plume/Radiant Plume and Heart of Ancient Hunger

[knotty sonnet]

Maybe i'm just not noticing the visual but i feel like i'm really not getting alot of slayer procs

[pliant jackal]

its insane how good the rep trinket is

[knotty sonnet]

is it really just pure rng if i get alot or not

[lunar karma]

in raid, granted i probably have more downtime than most beause i really focus on the mechanics and prio not dying but like 49k on beloren just seems abysmal

[quiet geyser]

This raid doesn't really have a single patchwerk style fight, so you'll never really see your sim dps represented as your st/boss dam

[pliant jackal]

a lot of warriors here can do mechanics and still pump

my warrior keybinds are older than my nieces

[quiet geyser]

But ya, 49k is quite low. Disregarding any rotation issues, downtime is the devil for fury

[lunar karma]

nice but even on fights like imperator where im barley moving still feels lack luster. granted im still fairly new to wow i havent been playing 20 years like alot of people ive been playing 2 months haha

[olive wraith]

Aoe or st

[knotty sonnet]

just in general m+

[olive wraith]

Should be standard 20% from ramp

[knotty sonnet]

i had one pull where i was getting a ton of procs

but other than that i didn't really notice it any other time

[lunar karma]

okay i think ill check logs and see if im having major downtime issues and try and fix them. i appreciate everyones advice 🙂

[olive wraith]

Don’t forget that sd is 100% rate

So maybe more sd on a pull

[knotty sonnet]

im just following the opener and then i try to get as many SD out as i possibly can

while also using enrage ofc

keeping enrage up*

with rampage

[olive wraith]

Ye 20% isn’t a lot so it’s probably rng

You can go test it on dummy if you really want

[quiet geyser]

Imperator isn't a good example of ST anyways. Warriors have some moments of holding cds/odyns if adds are coming out soon.

Like stated before, any form of downtime or holding cds absolutely destroys fury's ST damage due to how AM works

[olive wraith]

Just don’t press sd when testing

[pliant jackal]

you are holding cds at most like 5 seconds for imperator

[bitter palm]

cant wait to go pug as slayer fury and just go full st on every single boss

[pliant jackal]

for the adds

[bitter palm]

to prove to people fury can do st

[olive wraith]

Imagine if we had beta apex

[lunar karma]

tbf after checking it i was blind to my down time issues thank you

[pliant jackal]

I feel like this tier is pretty good for fury if the tuning was done right

[young swan]

eh

not really

[olive wraith]

We still don’t burst

[pliant jackal]

really

[olive wraith]

So probably not

[young swan]

all of the last 3 are just not great

lura maybe has a decent argument

but fury just kinda ass for beloren and alleria

[quiet geyser]

Man last tiers fury would have been soooo good for alleria

[pliant jackal]

yea i do see your point for bel and alleria

[young swan]

not in any big way

ur just boss hitter 6767

[quiet geyser]

You would have had reap procs basically go off ALL of p1, and fury had great throughput which is what you want in p2 and p3

Dont see how it wouldn't have been good lol

[young swan]

u want split cleave

fury does not do that

[quiet geyser]

Ok fine, comparing to other melees

It would have been good

[young swan]

yeah but u dont want to play melee

like

at all

exception to dk and rogue for grip and atrophic maybe

[sullen dove]

doesn’t really hurt no more ranged maybe better if split add dmg scarier but after 700 nerfs can bring like 12 melee if u want kinda no

[young swan]

yeah but "can" doesnt mean a spec is good on a fight

[sullen dove]

should pmuch always be able to hit boss at least

[young swan]

it just means the comp isnt mandatory

which definitely isnt a defining factor for what spec is good

[hybrid cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/coach-dance-unc-celebrate-dancing-gif-13079042

Walking into the discord like:

[young swan]

personally im finding it bit difficult to be fully happy cause they cant even be assed to fix the right things

40% slayer strike buff instead of proc rate increase to lower the rng shit fest of bladestorm

[woven valley]

Yeah to be honest the rng kills sometimes an is the biggest issue for slayer

The buffs are nice but I would like to see some kind of increase to the amount of slayer strikes we get

[olive wraith]

I’m waiting for bleeds to have meaning

[woven valley]

I mean tbh if they want bleeds to have meaning just make it where slayer strikes have a higher chance of proccing based on the amount of bleed effects the enemy has (deep wounds, rend and odyns bleed)

Would make it more interesting at least

[olive wraith]

It’s definitely something

Just wild we get 5 bleeds and they’re all just passive

[woven valley]

Yeah I mean having some interaction would be nice

[spare steppe]

I’m hoping a buffed RB means rends matters less in ST

Wtb numbers

[edgy widget]

been running, but it looks like Rend still pulls ahead slightly

[opaque mortar]

So if we have 2 decent myth weapons is it normally worth it to craft a different gearslot, cape maybe? Havent messed with sims yet didnt know if there was a general consensus

Or keep the crafted 2h

[woven valley]

Just sim directly and see what comes out, to be honest I think I saw someone say that double myth weapon doesn’t pan out (but I haven’t checked myself so that’s just hearsay)

[fringe citrus]

guys look at this

[opaque mortar]

Fake

AI

[spare steppe]

🫡

[opaque mortar]

Shooped

[fringe citrus]

and the bag had 4 runes too

im ecstatic with this

[spare steppe]

I was chatting about that a couple days ago, I couldn’t get double mythic to work with my current gear

[opaque mortar]

What were the weps that you were simming, just curious

I only ask cause I have a crafted cape from playing arms

[spare steppe]

All dungeon weapons, haste/mastery cloak/wrists with arcanoweave, first boss mythic wrists, haste/mastery 2h in the OH, and mythic liferipper’s cutlass

[undone flower]

When you sim the difference of the two (2 myth wep vs crafted wep), you need to have similar ilvl on the slot you craft on, so gaining ilvl on it doesn’t disturb the comparison

[spare steppe]

Yup 285 for all crafted, 289 for mythic. Was sad since currently do double arcanoweave for arms

[woven valley]

You may have been who I saw haha

[past flax]

Kind of new at simming, normally just do the droptomizer … you guys have some kind of video that explains and breaks down more thing you can do with sims?

[spare steppe]

Honestly just learn the tricks of droptimizer and top gear. The other options are interesting but not needed for most folks

[edgy widget]

with the bonus rolls now, it's pretty easy to get a second cloak

[spare steppe]

gonna feel stupid but why would I want another cloak if I have double arcanoweave (cloak/bracers) and a 2h with hunt as options?

[graceful mural]

Do you?

Maybe I don’t understand the system

[spark coral]

would you guys turn the liferipper cutlass into a 298, or keep rerolling for the whirling voidcleaver til you get it?

[undone flower]

I would sim what I do with that currency when I have it

[spark coral]

good call

[keen kindle]

can we voidforge this week?

[spark coral]

sim to win

[undone flower]

It’s in 2 weeks no?

Aren’t we 2/4 ?

[keen kindle]

I'm quite sure it is

[sullen dove]

@dapper goblet need you to gap gio

[dapper goblet]

i'm shield guy

[sullen dove]

oh nah

@fleet sorrel then you

[sullen dove]

pretty massive

[dapper goblet]

something is not like the other

[fleet sorrel]

hes aug

[sullen dove]

dude this guy such a freak

not plate piggy funneling

not even streaming the key

[dapper goblet]

[sullen dove]

rub mah belly

[fleet sorrel]

will never understand this shit

pay for 285 craft

[dapper goblet]

trekgob

[fleet sorrel]

dont enchant or gem

[sullen dove]

207 ilvl glove

[undone flower]

Do some 8s

chasing myth crest cap to finally upgrade your hero gear is pig behavior

[compact knot]

slam 8 bountiful delves at tier 11

kill a couple heroic raid bosses

and its free

[undone flower]

Yeah it is quick with hero achiev I needed only 400 or so hero crests on the monk

[compact knot]

my dh is practically done with hero almost

i still have hella heroic bosses to kill also

[dapper goblet]

why on earth would i do 8's

[undone flower]

It gives 18 hero crests

Or delves / heroic raid

[dapper goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/uh-wtf-gif-18188575

[fleet sorrel]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-huh-m4rtin-huh-huh-meme-what-cat-gif-5834484041415217257

[sullen tendon]

have they said anything about the 0.1% mount yet

or was thatonly title still

[modest condor]

there is no 0.1% mount

[sullen tendon]

yea im rereading hte blue post

i thought it said 0.1

its 1

[hybrid yew]

is it just me or are we magically doing less damage suddenly this week

or do i just suck now

[winter shoal]

DW fix went in this week so yes

was like -2% for thane single target, -4% for slayer single target

[hybrid yew]

ahh, deep wounds was bugged and making us do THAT much more damage?

[winter shoal]

something like that

big buffs coming on reset tho

[smoky vale]

ill do that when i have the other stuff

and can sim it all

[pearl gate]

with the upcoming changes is fury still worse off than arms in M+ & raids?

[fleet sorrel]

what does that mean

[winter shoal]

I think fury will be very competitive in M+, in raid it depends on the fight and damage profile you're looking for

but also just play whichever you prefer for the most part

[smoky vale]

it means im gonna wait

[spare steppe]

Imma keep enjoying slamming fury in keys, im just excited to be able to go slayer or mt

[sullen dove]

literally equip whatever gem and enchant kess uses since ur his #1 glazer

done

"sim gems" ahh

[covert blaze]

@smoky vale bro what is this

ill pay for your consumes man just put some on...

[sullen dove]

trek gob could be doin that

if he gemmed

[covert blaze]

trekgob plays simp spec

[supple glen]

what if the differences in gems are within margin

[winter shoal]

I'm very much looking forward to not playing colossus anymore

[sullen dove]

wtf colo owns...

[winter shoal]

giga clunky spec and you do healer damage on bosses if you don't have adds to funnel off of

[smoky vale]

okay but if get funnel

you feel amazing

[sullen dove]

i mean all well and good but

trade offer

700k dps every 20 seconds on every pack

[spare steppe]

Colo doesn’t feel good to play even if the numbers work

[rich fulcrum]

Anyone know if someone's crunched the numbers with this class tuning to see if the Ground Current 50% buff will set Gathering Clouds ahead of Thorim's Might for either Fury or Prot? I'm guessing not, since Execute's also buffed 20% and the rage is probably too valuable on Prot. (in M+)

[sudden tusk]

shmio got stinky dragon

[inland zinc]

ghbv vcccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccc

[winter shoal]

so true bestie

[brittle crow]

i hate how incentivized i am to play alliance

all i want is a war supply crate

but horde loses 99% of the time

😭

[modest condor]

dont worry, if you transfer to alliance you'll find out they lose 99% of the time as well

[brittle crow]

the last 10 war supply crates theres been a full group of 20+ alliance players just camping it

😔

[merry scaffold]

Whats better for Imperator in the void spire- Slayer or Mountain Thane? I thought WoW Head had suggested talents per boss but couldnt find anything besides Single-Cleave in general

[young swan]

we have per boss suggestions in here too: #1237307390865571890 message

[merry scaffold]

Sick, thanks!

[young swan]

np!

[onyx hazel]

how significant are the fury buffs? they seem very good

[young swan]

https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1234949058121171069

[quasi fractal]

if i speak

[cobalt horizon]

Archon.gg is a super quick reference tool that is handy

[ionic stratus]

So what will be a go-to spec for m+? Thane?

[young swan]

most likely

[compact knot]

loboz build 🙏

[grand glen]

buenas alquien me dice cuanto va hacer el aumento del daño del furi para la semana que viene gracias

[pearl sequoia]

10%

[young swan]

hey, english only please

sorry

[empty ice]

i liike what they did to interpose

but the numbers on it look pretty terrible

are there any use cases

[quasi fractal]

Feels like it exists soley to not have to make a mouseover macro

[empty ice]

lmfao

but its so cool 🥺

if it were ~100k per target hit then we'd be talking 😎

i would 4000% suicide on raidwides

[ember narwhal]

Need an @cursor one instead, no difference rly

[quasi fractal]

@cursor is less buttons in my macro

[ember narwhal]

But don't randomly eat a tankbuster when you just charge to someone random which is nice

[quasi fractal]

Checkmate

[ember narwhal]

Truege

[quasi fractal]

Its also aoe ig instead of one guy maybe you can target clothies in a soak? I feel like thats its only real usecase outside of pvp ig

Also requires them to stack and not stack on anyone else and a million other things

[robust hedge]

it hit me for 450k when i used it to get to the soak on the phoenix

never again

[ember narwhal]

The numbers are so small, esp. when split between people, and it'd need to be a physical aoe, that I'm p sure it's mainly just meant to be a mobility option that doesn't redirect melees when you don't want that functionality bc it could kill you, and the upside is kinda flavor text, just like intercept rly

[sullen dove]

its cap is low but it still records only after 1 single hit

so if you take a raidwide on your entire raid that does like 300k per target ur probably instantly dead

or like a 10 mil dmg tank buster

[quasi fractal]

I die for my squad

[empty ice]

i will assist my weak and puny allies where i can

[ember narwhal]

Oh lmao
Okay that is hilarious yeah

[sullen dove]

it is pretty dangerous in raid and prolly not super recommendable unless u like the extra mobility

[quasi fractal]

Maybe if enraged regen was in a better spot on the talent tree you could do a funny thing with it and live once.

[sullen dove]

tho tbh its fuckin me up on paladins when i try to charge boss and my mouseover is on a player and i charge to them instead of senn so got rid of dat shit

just waste like 3s doin nothin

[quasi fractal]

Unless it just directly takes the damage they would take and applies it to you ignoring your mitigations, but that would be dumb

[empty ice]

hit em with the kill or be killed

[quasi fractal]

Massive

I was excited for that one, they really know how to build your hype and then completely ruin it

[subtle lagoon]

I was hoping for use in m+ or even raid, being the last person standing getting that last 1% to kill the boss, but I think literally no one even runs the talent at all

I would love to see data on the percentage of people that actually run it, I feel like even casuals don't run it

[quasi fractal]

Probably goes crazy in pvp

[robust hedge]

Lidl dragon rush

[subtle lagoon]

probably

[quasi fractal]

Im still mad that avatar and bladestorm share a capstone

Slayer is already the less visually enticing hero talent imo AND i dont get to go big mode

Is there a meta for a remove aura macro on rampaging ruin builds for ST upcoming with slayer buffs

[signal falcon]

Personally I like the slayer visuals more

Bladestorm looks cool

Reap looks cool

[subtle lagoon]

Give us reck, ava and bladestorm together

[signal falcon]

I like the lunge from Slayer Strikes too

[signal falcon]

add on Signet of Tormented Kings too

would go so hard in current edition of Warrior

[quasi fractal]

It all just feels pretty passive to me ig

Thane ones feel like the cool stuff happens because im pressing buttons

Bladestorm also just feels like thematically it makes sense for a fury warrior, but in game its like the antithesis of fury

Pressing no buttons usually ragecapped vs apm freak never capped

[uneven plaza]

What would you drop for Enraged Regen in Slayer M+ build? Massacre?

[olive wraith]

Ya

[uneven plaza]

ty

[subtle lagoon]

big true

[woven valley]

I feel like both of fury’s hero specs have the same issue. Rng is way too heavy on some of our biggest hitting things

Slayers strikes feel sparse. Thunder blast feels wimpy even though it’s a proc

[static shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/warrior-blizzard-wow-classic-push-hank-hill-gif-27417019

do we get out next week?

[sullen dove]

u get to stop at the first step and have fun

[static shuttle]

atleast 1 step at a time 😄

[drowsy heron]

not fully out but more than now

[polar narwhal]

Cursed images
-# I let them know.

[unkempt sage]

Hey guys! Sorry. First time warrior been playing Arms most of my time but someone told me furry is better if I play m+ along. Is that true?

[woven valley]

Short answer? No

[polar narwhal]

Both are competitive, but Arms is a bit ahead right now.

[woven valley]

Long answer no but with many o’s

[sullen dove]

fury easier probably in a pug scenario since not as heavily reliant upon tank pulls and movement and even pulling adds onto bosses as arms(colo) is

and fury does waaay more single target to bosses in m+ which is nice bonus

if ur just doin like low-mid lvl keys like up to 15-16 probably more than fine to keep gaming fury its just higher than that the tanks likely will get better and youll just wanna do more to keep up

but ya arms like omegagiga more aoe if done right

[polar narwhal]

Noxiv is still playing Thane and is doing 21s, and is currently 3rd Warrior global so. It's perfectly viable.

[unkempt sage]

Even with the coming buff next week Arms still better?

[static shuttle]

2 Big Weps>1 Big Wep

[polar narwhal]

#updates-midnight message

Gap is closer together, as no real buffs to Colossus, but Thane does get buffed.

[unkempt sage]

[sullen dove]

damn finally hopped off slayer

rip bro

give him more time he'll succumb to arms propaganda too

will has cracked

1 stick gaming

[polar narwhal]

He tried Arms

I think

Quickly regretted it

[quasi fractal]

2 is bigger than 1

2 better

[smoky vale]

wtf does COTCRR mean

@quasi fractal

[quasi fractal]

Crackers of the corporeal realm represent

[smoky vale]

wtf did you just type

[quasi fractal]

very niche instagram reel

you gotta be in the know to know

ya know

[smoky vale]

no i dont

[quasi fractal]

the thought of knowing is sometimes better than knowing

i bear the burden of knowledge and its a heavy one

[smoky vale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1345566321542299668/1401456123097383003/attachment-12.gif

[quasi fractal]

just a small glimpse into my twisted absurdist mind

[sullen dove]

[sand sand]

so will mountain thane on the 5th be better still for m+ and what about raid?

[sullen dove]

m+ yes for raid when ur allowed to pad on adds sure thane still useable but slayer more boss dmg by a more noticeable amount probably and a well timed bladestorm probably better than thane cds if adds die omega fast

[proper swallow]

Its a huge buff bois dw about it

[languid willow]

Hoping keys get a little easier to get into after the patch one away from resil 19 snd getting invited is still a nightmare if you’re not purple or red

[sand sand]

arms fs still gapping fury after this right

[quasi fractal]

just titans grip a demon hunter in one hand and a dk in the other

[languid willow]

Trueeee

I think it’s going to be closer to arms and we don’t need cringe funnel

But I’m not 100% certain

[sand sand]

i mean fury already clearing 21s so

we fs clearing 22s with this

[quasi fractal]

what if i titans grip two aug evokers

🤔

[bitter palm]

hi gio

[soft cypress]

hey guys, cant decide between learning arms and fury – can someone tell me what are in differences in summary? fury is more constant dps, while arms is more like burst, right?

[smoky vale]

HELP

[sand sand]

uh hello

[signal falcon]

Neither are particularly bursty, they both revolve around short cooldowns that come back faster through spending resources, encouraging constant uptime

Biggest difference is resource management for Arms

[bitter palm]

fake gio...

impostor...

no five seven..

[sand sand]

what does that mean

oh

[strange drift]

fury = zug zug reck ava each pull
arms = 😴 resource managment rts gameplay

[sand sand]

nah my name is just gio but i’m not that guy

[rotund ginkgo]

Bro has not played arms this season

[quasi fractal]

dont use the A word in this chat please its a trigger word for me

[celest halo]

I was gunna say 🤣 what year is it

[strange drift]

my opinion is strictly ~~ subjective~~ objective and isn't a subject to discuss

[wheat sentinel]

Just got off work, hows slayer looking with these buffs. Tell me 10%

[vestal root]

#updates-midnight

[wheat sentinel]

How dare you expect me to read that 10% for single and multi and only 8% for arms and 6%

[vestal root]

[strange drift]

that's after weekly reset right?

[wheat sentinel]

Whenever the buffs are yes.

[upper mica]

i have not been able to get a myth wep yet - shoudl i craft a second 285 one?

[coral furnace]

Will just waste your crests

Given OH gets upgraded for free as fury otherwise

Just wait til you bonus roll your weapon

[summer nebula]

The latest update mentions effective use of rampaging ruin possibly making multitarget even better for slayer. Has anyone actually played with that talent much? Personally haven't even tried it on dummies cause it sounds ass ngl.

[empty ice]

fellas can you berserker shout the dragon fear off your raid

[soft flicker]

probably since you can berserker rage it off yourself

[empty ice]

yeah but the fuckn dreamrift fear doesnt work like that

[rancid drift]

https://tenor.com/view/are-you-sure-about-that-gif-17735709754501735355

[pine jewel]

both dreamrift and dragon fears can be handled by berserkers shout

[empty ice]

wtf

[rancid drift]

yup

[empty ice]

the dreamrift one never seemed to actually get purged

[rancid drift]

Just need to make sure you have the proper talent

[empty ice]

i am SURE had it talented

[pine jewel]

[kind crystal]

its the group not the raid I believe

[empty ice]

ok that probably explains it

[timid tide]

Just run mgt with bonus roll and go for the cleaver myth

[terse ether]

Am i dreaming?

Fury changes?

Yes boi

[soft flicker]

you are not dreaming son, it's really happening

[upper mica]

havent seen sim syet to see ho wbig it is

[signal falcon]

Does double myth weapon + double arcanoweave beat myth + hunt + arcanoweave

[soft flicker]

slayer 10% multi 10% single, thane 6% overall

[signal falcon]

Or too character dependent to generalise

[upper mica]

RB prio back?

[soft flicker]

not sure

just heard critcake say it was less horrible

[honest trail]

RB is still gonna be low prio but it should be back to normal

Like Ramp over 100>BT>Ramp>RB

Which is fine enough

It's lowest dmg prio

but still our highest rage builder outside of Execute

Which is a decent spot to be in

RB having 2 stacks + auto resets being a builer, BT having a CD being the highest dmg of the two

& Ramp being highest dmg & spender

Just makes sense

[jade cipher]

guys was there any time in the past that fury warriors used double one hand? like shadowland season 1

someone is trying to gaslight me

[soft flicker]

classic wow

[south kayak]

TBC too

That was before Titan's Grip

[jade cipher]

ok ty

[soft cypress]

ty, i kind of like both honestly, will be really a hard choice on choosing which one to main

:D

[strange drift]

I did, until i found two decent two handers lmao

fuck me i hate nostalgia i kinda miss shadowlands season 1

condemn was so peak

and fae m+ holy

they fumbled shadowlands so badly

[warm crag]

die condemn die

[lyric panther]

I remember shadowlands season 1 as them nerfing the condemn conduit at the end of beta and then having to send like 5 aura buffs in the first 5 or 6 weeks of nathria cos fury was doing tank damage

[languid gate]

the fury buffs seem good!!!

[teal tapir]

feels like even after that 10% we will be mostly walking buff for others so we are lucky we have any needed buff 😄

[languid gate]

Lets see how it turns out, there are a lot of changes

[teal tapir]

yea hope my 270 priest finally stop overdps my 283 warr 😄

[coral yarrow]

Hey 🙂 So I've been farming Novice Combatant's Necklace for ages (not a pvp player at all) but I've seen on archon gg, that almost every top player uses this one...
For now I have Necklace of the Twisting Void with 153 Haste / 120 Versa.

So when I sim my char now, it still says, that this is the best gear...and if I would change it, it would be a loss in dps of 0,8%
How is this possible? Am I simming wrong?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/amjk4mUEctNLnSXRgt8WTp

People told me, mastery and haste is the key...
So my stats are for now
538 crit
903 Haste
776 Mastery
260 versa

[radiant plank]

yeah so

you have good amount of mastery

[coral yarrow]

But still not enough as I saw on archon gg🤔
When I see, that the average is around
460 crit
977 Haste
940 Mastery
140 Versa

[fading sky]

Sim yo self

[bitter palm]

stats dont matter just sim yourself

[coral yarrow]

I did...thats in the message above

[static loom]

The PvP neck is just a very easy item to get, that also has good stats, so a lot of people has it. It doesn't inherently mean that it's the best neck, it just means that it's the one that most people get

[earnest tiger]

You can also remove gems/enchants on rings (or disable all the non-ring enchants and check the 'replace existing gem/enchants' button)
and sim with both haste and mastery flasks selected and it may end up being the best option, though depends how much the difference is whether that's worth it or not for you

[sly pasture]

I assume after reset slayer fury is going to be the best fury spec in raid unless there’s constant mass aoe?

I can’t really think of a fight it doesn’t make sense to play… maybe the two dragons for pad fun

[earnest tiger]

Will depend on your group and how fast the adds die I would assume

but probably thane will only be best on lightblinded vanguard yeah in a 'typical' situation / kill speed

[subtle lagoon]

All ads die superfast even on myth

[tight roost]

Looks like slayer st is finally going to be significantly better thna thane

[sly pasture]

ST Slayer fury is already the highest ST spec in war right? And you only need to switch 1 talent point to get your full AoE

[subtle lagoon]

Adding rend to whirlwind was a good qol change

[tight roost]

Difference to thane was pretty marginal

[shut pivot]

In my experience/group on chime i barely get to touch adds they evaporate before i get to do anything