fury

[hollow leaf]

no

[edgy widget]

so from my understanding you're still gonna have some control over sounds and aura-like options, just within the constraints of their Cooldown Manager

e.g. it'll let you create an "aura"like alert for Enrage because the CDM tracks it, complete with sounds if you want (maybe not necessarily a kaching, idk), but you won't be able to create an aura for Sprocketmonger Screw Up

[wheat lantern]

rude

[modest condor]

were the other 2 dps in s1 gear or what

[hollow leaf]

708

[modest condor]

how

[onyx linden]

14 Ara Ara

[hollow leaf]

pugs innit

[dense elbow]

Suprised the monk is that low

gj tho, ya blasted that Ara

[hot spear]

What does the damage ranking look like?

[onyx linden]

still too much BT pressed imo

[hot spear]

thank's

[dense elbow]

wow, ramp not above BS? you got some pad into bosses pulls - eh?

[prime bane]

hmmm

your bladestorm is 5, mine is 3

i am doing something wrong

errrrr

mine is 5 yours is 3

[pulsar quest]

there is so much context to that

[dense elbow]

You mean exe, and ye, it should be around there

[pulsar quest]

pull size, route, procs, key level

[hollow leaf]

not having the exact same breakdown does not mean you're doing stuff wrong

[edgy widget]

you can't compare details 1:1 especially in different dungeons

[pulsar quest]

i wouldnt read into it

[bitter ether]

Hey guys does anyone have a talent build with the new slayer changes for mythic +? Sorry if it has already been posted somewhere.

[prime bane]

mine is target dummies

[edgy widget]

#updates-midnight #dps-faq #1273899855852339200

[pulsar quest]

DEFINITELY dont compare the

[bitter ether]

ty

[dire vigil]

I don’t understand how this fury reap change doesn’t get nerfed

It’s insane

[hollow leaf]

stop being faster than me

[prime bane]

very short timing doing it here

[edgy widget]

you were trying?

[prime bane]

on dummies

i am clearly doing something wrong

[hollow leaf]

...I changed channel

[edgy widget]

because we're not allowed to be this close to FDKs?

[timid forge]

This is just a 10 DB. I ran the OF build to see what it was like. I feel like Slayer's should be higher ?

[pulsar quest]

@edgy widget For the OF m+ build, where would we place OF in single target like on boss priority??

Ive been using it to replace rampage kind

kinda

[edgy widget]

you don't

[pulsar quest]

yeah i figured it was really low

[edgy widget]

it's basically the same ST priority as Roar

[hollow leaf]

reap being that low is kinda sus to me but I have no idea what your pulls were like

[edgy widget]

if you wanna be smart about it, use it as kind of a mid-range run out ability (like whirlwind)

[pulsar quest]

that makes sense

im still not 100% sure if thats the build i wanna run

it may be dungeon dependant

[edgy widget]

just based on # of hits, I feel like you're not prioritizing Overwhelm very well

[upbeat swan]

So with AOE slayer talents we basically don't press exe outside of filler? So AOE it's RB/Ramp to keep enrage > Exe > Bt?

[hollow leaf]

conditionals still apply

[upbeat swan]

And then in normal ST I assume it's just standard prio

[hollow leaf]

since you still care about bs cdr

[timid forge]

ok ill run another one and focus on that

[opal summit]

i also just did a 10db and this is what the dmg breakdown ended up being

[edgy widget]

RB only triggers Reap on targets w/ Overwhelm (and the chance is directly related to how many stacks they have) - this is why you always wanna open w/ Bladestorm whenever possible

if you can't open w/ Bladestorm for Overwhelm stacks, you should prioritize BT until you've gotten a few reap procs

[upbeat swan]

Ah yeah fairs

[prime bane]

i'm having to ww, rampage, rb, rb, execute onrepeat

cause my conditionals are always met

idk

[hollow leaf]

you could try with the old execute conditionals

2x SD and 3x MfE

[prime bane]

mfe?

[hollow leaf]

marked for execution

[edgy widget]

you can be flexible with Execute in AoE, you don't want to not use it, but the real goal is to just ensure you have Bladestorm available for near the start of each pack, so that you can quickly apply Overwhelmed

[prime bane]

ok so i have a weak aura that chachings

idk what it uses

[upbeat swan]

Makes sense. Ty

[narrow fossil]

Priory 16 wiped last boss and depleto

[hollow leaf]

unlucko

[static rock]

So, just what makes slayer better than mountain thane in M+? is it because of the new RB tier piece change, cause I thought the two were pretty similar up until now

[hollow leaf]

thane is extremely rng with its damage

[timid forge]

ok i was still prio raging blow over bt but ill make the change and see what the overall comes out to then. thanks for the feedback

[narrow fossil]

i depelted 2 priory 16 in last baws

[edgy widget]

if you have overwhelmed applied to mobs, you should prio RB
and if you're playing correctly w/ Bladestorm, you should have overwhelmed applied quickly to each new pack

But if you don't, then you want to prio BT until you do

[hollow leaf]

not only do you need tb procs, you also need tb resets

meanwhile for slayer how many reaps you have is directly tied to overwhelmed, which you have on pull generally every time with bladestorm

[static rock]

Fair enough

[opal summit]

thane has higher potential burst, but is a bit more rng. slayer is more consistent and significantly higher ST

[hollow leaf]

thane is a very feast or famine kind of thing

[static rock]

Seems like the expansion will start and end with slayer

[edgy widget]

quit stealing my lines

[opal summit]

until they hotfix the hotfix :')))

[hollow leaf]

I stole danwarr's line

if he stole yours that's not my business

[prime bane]

if anyone ever gets time could someone one on one with me? i am trying to understand this so bad

[edgy widget]

trickle down stealanomics

[hollow leaf]

knew my degree would come in use

[modest condor]

why come up with bad things if you can steal good ones

[static rock]

So, why was the 4P slayer change not officially shown in patch notes? was it just supposed to be that way at the start?

[hollow leaf]

🤷‍♂️

[edgy widget]

good authors borrow from others, great ones steal outright

[hollow leaf]

it's blizzard, who knows

[opal summit]

my friends say this about my shitty bits all the time

[edgy widget]

knew I should have gone to college

[hollow leaf]

I dropped out twice, can't recommend

[edgy widget]

yeah you seem like a quitter

[modest condor]

you would be surprised how often hotfixes dont get blue posts

it's more common things dont get blueposts than that they do

[modest condor]

this one just happens to be very noticable

[zealous briar]

Can you show me the Fury Warrior Slayer build for Mythic+?

[rocky spoke]

it will more than likely be listed at a later date

[edgy widget]

#updates-midnight #dps-faq #1273899855852339200

[hollow leaf]

HEY

[edgy widget]

too slow, ya hate to see it

[umbral gull]

How many % chance of nerf our slayer fun ???

[compact knot]

i wonder if pummel can proc trinkets

hmm

[edgy widget]

I heard they're nerfing you specifically, just you though

[radiant plank]

you would too if u had to raid a tier in S a n c t u m

[opal summit]

100% remember nerubar we're cooked bb!!!

[compact knot]

pummel procs arms mastery on mop, i feel like it could have a similar effect in retail lmfao

[dire vigil]

It’s just wild that it’s a purely passive effect that makes up 25% of our damage. Like for TB, there is the actual game of reacting to it and not overcapping charges. This is just an insane byproduct of our normal rotation

[umbral gull]

Well u can’t nerf autistic noob like me, i m bad and toxic what Life can nerf me more

Already bald too

[hollow leaf]

dw archi knows all about my adventures in there

[dire vigil]

But alas, stay small FDKs, you can’t keep up in AOE and watch the damage meters when we get to the first boss!!

[compact knot]

i think pummel just procced a slayer strike

what the fuck

[zealous briar]

thx!

[dire vigil]

We are huge

[compact knot]

might be tech

let me test

[modest condor]

slayer strike is rppm

that pummel proccing a slayer strike just means the next couple of abilities have a lower chance to proc one

[edgy widget]

I mean TB doesn't really care about overcapping charges anymore; you just press button when it lights up

[compact knot]

yeah but it would still be good no?

[warm sable]

Everyone talks about FDKs, but in my runs Havoc is blasting even more. I don't see how they could justify nerfing Fury now without touching Havoc and FDK

[dire vigil]

I will say, this is a phenomenal way to give fury more AOE, I’m just skeptical of the strength of it

[narrow fossil]

See from priory 16

https://raider.io/characters/eu/hyjal/Mishadk?utm_source=addon

[static rock]

So what kind of burst can we expect from Slayer as compared to mountain thane?

[narrow fossil]

This dk did 7 m

Dh did 9m

[bitter palm]

prolly lower

[static rock]

Who is talking about fury nerfs?

[hollow leaf]

we're more of a sustained dps spec

[edgy widget]

because a lot of people in here are so stockholmed that they don't think Warrior is allowed to be anywhere close to FDK or other specs that are routinely at the top of the M+ leaderboards

[opal summit]

i think we just always assume we're gonna get nerfed if we ever start being, like, near meta specs even vaguely. or when we snipe adds in raid

[umbral gull]

War need a lust spell change my mind

[hollow leaf]

give warr a bunch of utility shouts

[dire vigil]

It’s not stockholmed, I’m just skeptical of a change that isn’t even tied to a button press giving 25% damage to our profile

[static rock]

👏

[hollow leaf]

give me a group dr shout, a group movement speed shout, a group lust shout

[dire vigil]

But I’m hype about it, we are big now

[edgy widget]

as far as "insane byproduct of our normal rotation"

I think you're kind of simplifying it a little, because it wasn't our "normal rotation" prior to this change, just like spamming BT & TB wasn't Thane's "normal rotation" prior to S3 tier

Whirlwind also went from ~1% of Fury's damage to 5-8% of it just through raw dam buffs, and nobody is complaining about that massive glow up

[opal summit]

PLEASE. it'd make it way more interesting!!!

[tidal kindle]

Warrior needs to keep this reap interaction and have unhinged BT cleave THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER
-GaRM

[restive peak]

DK played poorly

Lol

[narrow fossil]

yes i think so

[compact knot]

thats cool

[restive peak]

I mean FDK is still the #1 overall played properly

It's just much more competitive

[compact knot]

pummel procs slayers strikes and my trinket

so large

much strong

[umbral gull]

SLAYERRRRRRRR BLIZZARD PEG ME

[coarse nest]

Blizz probably thinks warrior has to much interupt potential and going to increase pummel cd by 25 seconds

[hollow leaf]

do you guys know if the screams trinket drops its stacks on one target when swapping to something else? Like if I have stacks on nexus king and move over to the platform, will he still have those stacks on him when I come back?

[dire vigil]

True, there are gameplay differences now as a result of the new tier

[wheat lantern]

I heard they gonna remove shock wave altogether

[sullen tendon]

next step: replace this talent

[opal summit]

tbh fury target cap should be reduced to 3 bc of this tier set :)

[compact knot]

ragebait or stupid

[opal summit]

im joking

[compact knot]

ragebait

[edgy widget]

unless they time out, yes they stay

[woven gulch]

5/10 ragebait

[coarse nest]

Blizz mentality though

Accurate

[opal summit]

i think 3/10 tbh

[static rock]

I wish we had some sort of enrage version of mage's spellsteal, wouldn't it be dope if we could take away an enrage affect and use it for ourselves?

[opal summit]

yeah that's really all i was saying /shrug

[static rock]

Does this mean that mobs hit by WW's cleaved abilities can proc the trinket on them?

[edgy widget]

well that doesn't mean that, but yes they can

[hot spear]

Has the WoWhead build slayer m+ been updated yet?

[compact knot]

this is how it works with soulbreakers sigil

i think that trinket owns in m+ ngl

gives u 2.4k vers when a mob dies

[static rock]

I just meant that if the stacks don't immediately fall off when another mob gets the debuff, then multiple adds can get it at the same time, and therefore the mobs hit by abilities through WW cleave could potentially give the debuff

[compact knot]

procs often

can be aoe cleaved onto mobs

[static rock]

Slayer with those trinkets would go super hard, considering reap the storm

[edgy widget]

yes but the two have nothing to do with one another

• any target hit by Skies will gain a stack of the effect, regardless if you're cleaving them or not
• any target you hit has a chance to have Skies triggered on it, regardless if they already have stacks or not

[rocky spoke]

still does terrible dmg in aoe

[edgy widget]

well its not an AoE trinket, though the on-death does contribute if targets are dying frequently enough

[static rock]

But hasn't our entire point been to be a slight priority cleave class? Although it feels bad in AOE, I'd imagine the ST damage could be worth it

[edgy widget]

sure, but that doesn't have much to do with the design of the trinket

[mystic kayak]

Has math been done yet on whether in a big AOE pack, if it's better to overcap fury/ignore execute WA and just slam RB until we're not enraged?

[edgy widget]

it's a good trinket, especially for long-lived raid bosses

[karmic crow]

Anyone else having issues finding a guild to raid in this tier

[static rock]

That depends heavily on what you want to accomplish

[karmic crow]

Mythic raiding

Possibly CE

[static rock]

CE, HOF, or like 50% of Mythic killed?

[karmic crow]

CE. Could care less about HOF and clearing half the raid isn’t my idea of mythic raiding

[static rock]

Cause I can tell you the last option is pretty easy to find nowadays

[karmic crow]

I’m currently 2/8M but just went back to look long for a guild. Usually get a few bites on recruitment discord but so far none

[barren stone]

have you tried filtering on wowprog for guilds looking for a warrior?

[static rock]

Look at some of the CE guilds from last tier on a server that got CE in the later half of the season, usually you can find at least 1 or 2 to message back

It helps if they have a lack luster warrior and can just take their spot

[remote bobcat]

cheeky dawn12 slayer action

i must say, slayer feels dumb now

with aoe RB reap

just dumb

[static rock]

It's what I did in my current guild, previous warrior didn't do sh*t

[dusty cove]

If you sim with a chaos flask on, does the game sim know and take that gained stat away? or do you need to sim without one active?

[remote bobcat]

there arent a lot of good high level warriors tbh

most warriors just press buttons

[maiden hearth]

Yall think thane is still the play or araz or slayer now?

[frigid zealot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/284226322585354241/1413178488713642104/GIF_20250904_160623_708.gif

[compact knot]

all playing fdk

or benched

[karmic crow]

I guess the big thing holding me
Back is I need to be done raiding by 11pm est

[remote bobcat]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/284226322585354241/1413178488713642104/GIF_20250904_160623_708.gif

[static rock]

what timezone are you?

[karmic crow]

Eastern standard

[hollow leaf]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1413197405561819256/reaptech.gif

[south kayak]

lmao who made this

[edgy widget]

the fish

[south kayak]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1413197405561819256/reaptech.gif

great gif

[static rock]

This is amazing

[remote bobcat]

box do u even play slayer atm?

[edgy widget]

thanks I take all credit

(it was actually @frigid zealot, I just suggested adding the numbers)

[south kayak]

I don't have 4p on my warrior alt

I just started gearing

[static rock]

So slayer is pretty much the defacto hero spec when you get 4p except for a few raid bosses

[tender forge]

guys im super new to fury aoe does this look about right?

[unborn sparrow]

Is pacemaker not as strong as Sacbrood for new slayer build for m+?

[tidal kindle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/816404026819084299/867783775689375754/unknown.png?ex=68bafb9e&is=68b9aa1e&hm=881c5480f0c66f4e8c00e10afb1d3de83b17bc6473baff8a63c537a5f60d544d&

[heavy dock]

Looks about right

[south kayak]

Looks fine

[maiden hearth]

real and true

[heavy dock]

Fdk on top as well

[remote bobcat]

real

[radiant plank]

real

[heavy dock]

Perfect

[maiden hearth]

xd

[south kayak]

Kronzo

[tender forge]

sweet thanks

yeah im coping that he was higher IL than me

[south kayak]

I tried to get last piece for 4p yday by making a normal run but I made a mistake inviting an evoker grouped with a tank who I assumed already had 4p but they didn't

he got the one zenith that dropped

[maiden hearth]

oof

[south kayak]

[heavy dock]

Did you do lfr?

[south kayak]

Not yet

Busy with work

[heavy dock]

Another chance there

[maiden hearth]

this is why i wait for my guild or friends guild to do alt raids

[south kayak]

I'm gonna try to make a HC run since i have curve

probably 6 bosses only

[maiden hearth]

swoop in for free loot

[south kayak]

I am low ilvl though

and my characte rsims like shit

im gonna be bottom dps on every boss

[maiden hearth]

thats ok youre op raidlead

cant be kicked

[south kayak]

I won't make the same mistake this time, no zenith at all unless they have hero track tier

[vernal laurel]

Aight bois, whats the verdict on the slayer rotation atm? We spamming RB and only press Rampage for enrage, or do we still prio Rampage over RB?

[sharp wasp]

slayer fury feels good

[tight roost]

Is the simc apl updated with the latest changes to tier?

[tough ether]

@edgy widget would you say that now with this new slayer thing for aoe, maybe on things like araz and soulhunters we also just play slayer instead of thane?

[south kayak]

I don't know if people are gonna queue but who knows

[tight roost]

Or hotfix or whatever you call it now

[south kayak]

Do I just type heroic fresh blast

[remote bobcat]

https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/blob/thewarwithin/ActionPriorityLists/default/warrior_fury.simc

[maiden hearth]

ye probably

[remote bobcat]

why dont people read #updates-midnight

[maiden hearth]

its early enough in the season you'll get a ton of people to sign up probably

[tight roost]

Erh sorry

[vernal laurel]

Ok if I understand this correctly its Rampage > RB at all times?

[south kayak]

I should have all the catalyst I need next week if I don't manage to get 4p

[maiden hearth]

true

[queen panther]

Well u RB spam after u get 10 stacks of overwhelm

[maiden hearth]

meanwhile ill have 2 charges for eventual myth tier

[remote bobcat]

rampage to enrage > RB after bladestorm while enraged > Rampage at above 115 rage > raging blow > rampage below 115 rage

[edgy widget]

pins problem

[sharp wasp]

do we like odyns fury?

[vernal laurel]

Ah ok, makes sense ty

[remote bobcat]

Box didnt you say u wanted to play more than just casual gaming this season?

[edgy widget]

I switched to a channel cause I hoped it would have more visibility than pins (ya know, lighting up when there's a new message), but a lot of people still don't check it

just keep directing people there and it'll catch on eventually, maybe

[hollow leaf]

I got summoned to the raid and my rl randomly traded me this

[remote bobcat]

i share this copium sentiment

[maiden hearth]

rng carried holy

[remote bobcat]

please dear god let people read updates themselves

[heavy dock]

guys is it hard to get the white arathi set? ive skipper all of s2 lol

[sharp wasp]

funny how the fury buff went unannounced

[remote bobcat]

wtf

[dense elbow]

What update? @remote bobcat Can you tell me??!

[calm swallow]

That needs to be a new emote cause this is exactly how slayer feels lol

[maiden hearth]

our rogue looted a myth helm yesterday too

[remote bobcat]

ANGERY

[edgy widget]

not hard, just takes some time

[hollow leaf]

I asked him last raid if I should send crests

I think I understand now he said he was gonna get me a mythic one

[heavy dock]

im guessing its like weekly rep type of stuff?

[edgy widget]

falls into kind of a weird line between buff and bug fix
(also if they announced it, they couldn't then also sneakily remove it)

[coarse nest]

NO BLIZZ PLS

[maiden hearth]

its their game everything is subject to change : (

[heavy dock]

i mean a bug fix is a bug fix

if it happens to be a big buff oh well :D

[remote bobcat]

I mean they never clarified how they wanted RB reap to interact with whirlwind so it's literally schrödinger's bug/buff

[heavy dock]

i mean the set clearly states "on the target"

[unborn sparrow]

What are the preferred trinkets for new slayer build? Dungeon slice and 5 targets giving me different results

[heavy dock]

which should mean per target

[untold moth]

Does this bug fix some how actually make us legit good at 5 target?

[remote bobcat]

per stack of overwhelmed on the t

also how is target defined?

[warm crag]

you only have one target

[remote bobcat]

target = the thing u physically target?
target = the amount of enemies hit ?

its up in the air

[maiden hearth]

wtf

[smoky vale]

who is spoonfed more you or @ebon junco

[warm crag]

skyreaver tho

delete character

[hollow leaf]

wdym spoonfed

[remote bobcat]

jesus the amount of spoonfeeding here

[hollow leaf]

90% of that gear I got on my own time

because I was benched

[smoky vale]

cluegi

[heavy dock]

i mean stacks of overwhelmed on the target, it doesnt specify what is the source of the thing targetting the target

so to speak xd

[edgy widget]

I can see logic in it either way

• the proc chance not cleaving means BT isn't completely devalued, which is arguably good
• the proc chance cleaving means Slayer is more fully focused on RB (as opposed to Thane being more fully focused on BT), which is also arguably good

So yeah, it's just kinda

[remote bobcat]

fully upgraded myth chest, helm, belt, hands, weapon
2x myth crafted
boots at 714

like jeeez

[dusty seal]

ngl i'm kinda lost with the priority in the rotation with these changes

[hollow leaf]

I simmed it against the araz wep and it was actually a downgrade xd

[remote bobcat]

how so

[heavy dock]

guys whats the easiest way to farm valorstones im fucking struggling legit

full crests but 300 valorstones

[hollow leaf]

boots it like the only huge thing I got

I don't think I was traded anything else really

[remote bobcat]

??

[maiden hearth]

araz weapon sims like 2k less than other weapons for me too

you were just traded myth boe helm ???

[dusty seal]

i mean, do i still execute the same way ? do i still proritize rampage over RB ? do i need to track overwhelm ?

[maiden hearth]

op

[remote bobcat]

you dont need to track overwhelmed if you know how its applied

and if u wanna check the sims

the apl

here u go:

https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/blob/thewarwithin/ActionPriorityLists/default/warrior_fury.simc

[heavy dock]

hows this for +10 ecodome? still rusty on the build a bit didnt do too many dungs yet

[hollow leaf]

yeah I asked last week if I'm safe to send crests on trinket, he said he'll get me a myth helm

[maiden hearth]

damn

[hollow leaf]

or not last week

last raid

[ebon junco]

?

What would I be spooned on

[dusty seal]

ill try to understand this, ty buddy

[cloud jungle]

Boys for M+ MT vs Slayer are on equal footing?

[heavy dock]

slayer is ahead

[remote bobcat]

np mr french

[hollow leaf]

slayer ahead

[cloud jungle]

fuckin hell yes,

[edgy widget]

Slayer more fun

[cloud jungle]

thanks so much

[cloud jungle]

its a lot more fun...

I hate playing MT

[edgy widget]

then stop worrying about dam and just follow your heart

[unborn nebula]

anyone got any in depth guide for slayer fury ? i'm sure you have been asked many times but i'm overwhelmed on this discord

too many channels lol

[edgy widget]

#dps-faq there are three of them, pick your favorite

[cloud jungle]

my heart is arms, but arms colossal makes me vomit

[winter shoal]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/fury/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps

[unborn nebula]

tyvm

[unborn sparrow]

Any input on pacemaker vs curse idol vs sacbrood on m+ slayer, seeing less and less ppl use pacemaker

[edgy widget]

Slayer Arms is better than people give it credit for

[remote bobcat]

this link doesnt have the raging blow fix in yet, doesnt it? @edgy widget

[edgy widget]

it does

[winter shoal]

You can check the history and see it was updated yesterday afternoon

[edgy widget]

I really, really cannot stress enough that reading APL is not actually the best way to learn how to play best unless you're really good at parsing it

[cloud jungle]

Hm..ill try it

[maiden hearth]

Yeah get in there and test some keys : )

[edgy widget]

there's a lot of stuff in there that's setup to cover edge cases (like playing Onslaught without Tenderize or Arms spamming Whirlwind without Cleave talented) that normal people just don't need to think about

[narrow fossil]

Priory 15 the rusky sham hit harder than pettko

[edgy widget]

or telling the machine how to line up cooldowns (sims are limited in the sense that they cannot think "ahead" the way a person can, so you have to write everything in a way that's always rear-facing)

[foggy urchin]

painchamp moment

[tough ether]

ok so we still dont wanna overcap rage without it being after bstorm right?

[edgy widget]

you can't very easily tell a sim "use OF first if your next GCD will be Bladestorm"
but that makes perfect sense and is pretty easily understandable to a player

[remote bobcat]

why is actions.slayer+=/bloodthirst,if=target.health.pct<35&talent.vicious_contempt&buff.brutal_finish.up&buff.enrage.up&crit_pct_current>=85&active_enemies=1|(!set_bonus.tww3_4pc&active_enemies>4) above raging blow with opportunist

i dont understand

that cant be righbt

[steep fable]

for me thane outsims slayer in dungeon slice by about 400k.
Is slayer being considered "better" by many here purely for the prio damage?

[edgy widget]

again, it's covering an edge case that doesn't exist in the current gameplay

[dusty seal]

how do u know that

[edgy widget]

this is a perfect example of why the vast majority of players shouldn't use APL to learn their rotation

[remote bobcat]

your vibe

[winter shoal]

you dont have VC and do have 4pc so that line never runs

[foggy urchin]

literally why are you trying to decipher that?

it's not human readable (not easily at least) so it's quick to lose sense of direction and context. You can't literally read that.

[edgy widget]

I mean it's readable, it's just covering a case we don't actually care about atm

[foggy urchin]

bro plays warrior and thinks he can read machine conditionals

[remote bobcat]

all french people give off the french vibe. we can pinpoint you from miles away

[last lichen]

Hey Archi, is there a new baseline m+ slayer build for this new hotfix? Or does the old slayer build work just fine?

[jolly parrot]

u guyss playin normal slayer or OF slayerr?

[dusty seal]

are u the man currently hiding under my bed ?

[remote bobcat]

? reading apl is not particularly difficult

[edgy widget]

thing about sims is that we know Vicious Contempt isn't worth running as Slayer atm, because we don't press BT

But we don't know how much Vicious Contempt isn't worth unless we sim it, so the machine needs to know how to use it properly, even if players don't

[foggy urchin]

A line, sure, you can. But looking at 2 lines behind, 2 lines ahead, and the line you currently focus on, it's roughly impossible. It's hard to grasp the context, you get me? 😄

[winter shoal]

Man if people just did a ctrl+f before asking a question I think the world would be a much better place in general

[remote bobcat]

fair

[foggy urchin]

the point is, without it being easily readable you will forget after 2-3 lines what was before, then read behind again to remember, and you'll already forget there and there

[edgy widget]

yeah I mean that was the basic point I was making - the sim has to account for a lot of stuff that a player doesn't need to think about

[remote bobcat]

thats you, mate. dont project onto others

[onyx linden]

do we play Slayer on soul hunters tho? after the hotfix

[foggy urchin]

its not projecting, it comes from a professional you buffoon.

[steep fable]

for me, OF quite a bit behind in sims ~3%.
But I honestly don't know what is going on in here after the slayer change...😬

[edgy widget]

you can and its a lot better than it was, but I still think Thane is more reliable

[remote bobcat]

[foggy urchin]

nice one, you got me mate

[edgy widget]

don't need to get hostile, people can have different opinions

[winter shoal]

but to answer your question #1273899855852339200 message

[remote bobcat]

people regularly read the apls

[tough ether]

what about araz tho? u also think thane is better there?

[onyx linden]

noted, thanks, i might prefer thane there

[remote bobcat]

and you're here thinking it has to be deciphered

what are u on about

[foggy urchin]

right, right sorry.

[edgy widget]

I mean I agree with you here, I think just linking the APL to people who already have a hard time understanding regularly laid out rotations is not a good teaching tool

just ya know, there are ways to disagree without becoming aggressive about it (said as easily the most aggressive person in here)

[lavish sierra]

Nerd question on the apls but are they generated via trial and error / statistical modeling? Does it compile in the order of how it's coded m

[unborn sparrow]

Is there a pin on trinkets for slayer m+?

[restive peak]

Let's all focus on how amazing we are in 17s

[edgy widget]

#dps-faq, see the guides or #1237307457382907924 sections

[unborn sparrow]

Ty

[remote bobcat]

we have such good consistent aoe now its great

[lavish sierra]

I've been rampaging too much apparently

[restive peak]

Bro this feels so fuckin good

[edgy widget]

we? na it's just you buddy

[foggy urchin]

but am I in the wrong for calling a horse, a horse?

he is acting like a buffoon, might as well no?

jokes aside, I get your point.

[gilded pawn]

Trial and error after theory crafting

[restive peak]

❤️ ❤️ ❤️

[prisma inlet]

...do you not use rampage when it pops up?

[foggy urchin]

I believe we use it only to maintain enrage, no?

[edgy widget]

I think calling someone a buffoon because you disagree with their PoV is a little much. If he was arguing in bad faith (which def happens sometimes) then it might be a lil different, but he's not been out of line just for saying he likes to read APL

[thick fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/chesirecat-wereallmad-gif-5339636

[quick dock]

Try to do it at >115 rage

[winter shoal]

Sometimes yes sometimes no, it's like 0.4% last I checked so not worth stressing over if you don't have everything else mastered imo

[remote bobcat]

bruh i asked a genuine question about two APL lines, thats it 😭

[restive peak]

Liking to read the APL just means they're invested, who cares?

That's like making fun of someone for caring about books, or movies, or fitness, or whatever

[edgy widget]

anyway, let's move on and just focus on how good @restive peak is in 17s

[foggy urchin]

with that dmg U can do +17?

[restive peak]

https://tenor.com/view/goofy-movie-blush-gif-17553823346583229377

[foggy urchin]

dayum

[rugged cradle]

looks balanced.
ara kara 12

[prisma inlet]

ok ok ok- that makes more sense

[winter shoal]

Speaking of, I'm gonna give a lower volume ~2sets per exercise type program a run for a couple months a la @radiant plank and see how it goes

Big departure from 12 sets of comp bench and close variations per session

[restive peak]

I promise you're going to see great results dude

[hardy shuttle]

Timing is mostly about not wiping. This was my 17 gambit and we had deaths

[sour elbow]

can you teach me the books?

[prisma inlet]

also is the general idea of "raging blow after bladestorm" only there if you have the slayer 2 piece?

[restive peak]

I never do beyond 2 hard sets on anything, haven't for years, and I'm like 266 rn at 13ish % BF

[lavish sierra]

Slaughtering strikes

[foggy urchin]

I see, thanks!

[winter shoal]

I mean my compounds rarely go above like an RPE 8, gonna try doing like a top set at 9-9.5 and then myorep match on second set

[lavish sierra]

I like myoreps

[restive peak]

I will say I think myoreps are dogshit, the science does not back them, but I know some people love the intensity feeling

[lavish sierra]

I have adjustable dumbbells for those and it's great

[winter shoal]

Mostly just to prevent me sandbagging tbh

Easy to phone in that second set

[restive peak]

I don't think the fatigue trade-off is worth unless you lift like 2x a week, some of my 2x a week clients I use myoreps/dropsets, but that's because I KNOW they won't do their 3rd workout haha

Ye that's fair hahaha

[lavish sierra]

It's okay to use grips for pullups

[storm rune]

TWELVE?!

[junior gale]

Was DK good I feel like against most good DKs I need a brew to beat

[coarse nest]

[restive peak]

Dal is title every season etc

[coarse nest]

He cranked!

[supple summit]

i like myoreps only for like high recovering muscle groups i can hit multiple times a week, so basically like only lat delts lol

[restive peak]

So he's good, yeah

[hardy shuttle]

Granted, it helps. This was my 15 ara

[lavish sierra]

531 warm up sets then 3x FSL

[restive peak]

To be fair, echo dome is the PERFECT key for us

[foggy urchin]

it gives me hope really, knowing not dying can achieve so much

[junior gale]

I need to get better then I've been to lazy lately it's time to put my foot down and grind now that fury fucking owns hard

[south kayak]

I wanna play slayer but I don't have 4p

[restive peak]

Pulls remain semi smaller, the bosses are insanely good for our dmg profile, the new reap on the 2 T amp cranks etc

[restive peak]

How tf we in this week and no 4 p bro LMAO

[winter shoal]

Yeah like work up to a top single and then a few backoff sets on comp movement, then 3-4 sets of a close variation, then 3-4 sets on an accessory for the same muscle group. Nothing crazy in my opinion but I'm a brainwashed powerlifter

[hardy shuttle]

I haven't done it this week but even last week I did 12 overall as thane in my 17

[south kayak]

It's an alt, like 686 ilvl

[restive peak]

12 for powerlifting competitively is normal, yeah

[remote bobcat]

box is a class traitor + semi casual

[storm rune]

so like doing a drop-set?

[restive peak]

You need to remember 7-9 of those sets aren't hard sets

[olive wraith]

Booooo to rollers

[winter shoal]

No, each of those is a discrete straight set

[restive peak]

Box you're better than that bro

[supple summit]

theyre essentially warm ups and then form sets

[steep fable]

At this point, it is almost impossible to not have a 4p.
Like, pretty sure you have to be trying to not have it

[south kayak]

If it's an alt, it is normal

[lavish sierra]

Also incline hits chest for me better than flat back

[olive wraith]

As established he rerolled

[winter shoal]

Yeah the top single is usually an RPE 8-9 and then the rest are 6-8, accessories generally more in the 8-10 range

[prisma inlet]

I only got to max level less than a week ago but where do you even get the set?

[south kayak]

I main healer this season

[storm rune]

incline is specific to the upper chest

[remote bobcat]

why not woyer

[south kayak]

I could have gotten 4p but I messed up

invited one zenith user thinking he had 4p

he didn't

and won the only zenith that dropped

gg

[storm rune]

well not specific, whats the word im looking for? Targeted?

[olive wraith]

Should have loot council your pug

[south kayak]

I still have lfr to do

and heroic

[foggy urchin]

im so lazy to do raids. never lucky man, never lucky

[south kayak]

I'll have to make my own heroic

[olive wraith]

Good luck getting heroic haha

Ya

There’s a lot of apes pugging this week I swear

[south kayak]

It was easy to make my own normal

I have curve so i'll just say curved lead and heroic blast

whatever

[storm rune]

how do you even get past first boss in heroic pug?

[olive wraith]

Wiped twice on plexus and gave up

[south kayak]

how

easy boss

[olive wraith]

Beats me

[storm rune]

That soak mechanic

[olive wraith]

First week was easier to pug it

[foggy urchin]

you'd be surprised how silly pugs are

[storm rune]

two group soaks within 2 seconds? That's more coordination than 95% of heroic bosses I can recall

[remote bobcat]

no people tend to run into it themselves if you invited decent players

[static rock]

For those that are going slayer for m+, what trinket would you guys recommend with stone idol and optimal stats?

[remote bobcat]

plexus plays itself

[south kayak]

I won't go for 8/8 heroic, 6/8 max

[unborn sparrow]

I see you like using eradicating arcanocore

[lavish sierra]

I was drunk and tanked a normal after being locked out. I threatened to leave the pug if they kicked my DPS buddies

[olive wraith]

I have sacbrood and pacemaker

I’d use idol if I had it

[gloomy narwhal]

on Araz, odyn fury is playable or not ?

[olive wraith]

Instead of pace

[south kayak]

I got champion antenna on my warrior yesterday

[storm rune]

yeah salad bar would probably be annoyin getting the group to drop stars/starkillers properly

[south kayak]

salad bar lmao

[junior gale]

Well that is his name don't laugh

Its rude

[olive wraith]

Saladbar. Taylor swift

[thick fossil]

I have mythic Antenna, Arcanocore, and Idol. I'm done with trinkets till mythic sky screamer.

[olive wraith]

You know. The classic boss 7

[unborn sparrow]

Happy for you 🥲

[coarse kelp]

Idol doesn't sim as high for me as my other trinkets

[thick fossil]

Still have champ pants and boots. Sadge.

[coarse kelp]

How are you guys simming for M+? I usually do 5min/8T

[olive wraith]

5min 8t is kinda wild

[south kayak]

5 MINUTES?

[junior gale]

Idol isnt gonna sim well over 5 minutes

[unborn sparrow]

Never above 3 mins?

[storm rune]

ST, then a 5tar 5min sim to see if trinkets change

[olive wraith]

Shorter duration

[junior gale]

It's a burst on use

[wheat lantern]

im living in 10s to learn the rotation a bit before going back into higher keys , anything see off here ?

10 eco dome

[south kayak]

no looks fine

[coarse kelp]

so what do you all sim then?

[thick fossil]

Reap low rolled there.

[storm rune]

nothing wrong with high target long duration simming, your tank should be chain pulling the entire dungeon anyways

[olive wraith]

Sr should be higher

[south kayak]

depends on the key

[sullen dove]

bt should be lower

[junior gale]

To be fair reap completely depends on the pulls

[wheat lantern]

pressing BT when theres nothing avail

or prob whirlwind better?

[sullen dove]

yea is meme

[unborn sparrow]

I do 5 targets 3 mins, 1 target 3 mins and dungeon slice.

[olive wraith]

Well it’s also unhinged

[south kayak]

Reap is gonna be lower in a key like DB

[sullen dove]

bt fine

[drifting token]

also depends how diligent you are having a BS for a pull

[coarse kelp]

Is dungeon slice really reliable?

I used to do MDT sims, but I can't seem to find a good one

[wheat lantern]

i have a habit of using it on mobs like 45% as well

BS

[south kayak]

I have signet and omega ring

both high mastery rings

giga

[olive wraith]

Ya I’m struggling to get 2 bs in a pull

And having it up for next pull

[wheat lantern]

will i still send CDs on avail ? but dont BS until a fresh pack?

[olive wraith]

Need mobs to live slightly longer

[junior gale]

That just requires a higher key level

[wheat lantern]

or hold them

[winter shoal]

Not really but no sims really are for M+ and it's at least internally consistent. I generally sim 1t 5m and 5t 5m and just use my brain to interpret the discrepencies

[olive wraith]

Ye I’m only doing 14s

It’s kinda awkward timing

[junior gale]

Not a big deal

BS doesn't do that much dmg

Better play is to hold for next pack

[wheat lantern]

still dont have a clue when to press execute when kaching

[junior gale]

Instead of squeezing more dmg

[storm rune]

when kaching

[olive wraith]

I also need to press rampage more

[wheat lantern]

kaching over 3 RBs AoE ?

[storm rune]

fuck rage caps, fuck everything, kaching

[drifting token]

just press it whenever it lights up its not worth fretting over

[thick fossil]

Gotta get that Bladstorm CDR

[remote bobcat]

[olive wraith]

There’s most likely gonna be a target count where rb>kaching

And depending if you need to cdr bs

[thick fossil]

8

[hardy shuttle]

Its my only myth track. And on non io keys I like the afk aspect of no idol

[wheat lantern]

I literally have my enrage timer OVER my rampage keybind to see my enrage and fuck rampage icon

kinda works

make me know to press if i see the rampage keybind instead of the enrage timer

[trim crystal]

Ive been playing thane for keys but wanting to try slayer now, is the mplus slayer build just the wowhead one?

[thick fossil]

Yes

[wheat lantern]

[remote bobcat]

spaces between actionbuttons

[olive wraith]

[remote bobcat]

Sadge

[wheat lantern]

shall i fix them for you BB

what condition do i need to fix in WA to keep ashen jugger from showing all the time instead of disappearing when combat drops

[prime bane]

I've seen multiple people post their top 5 damaging abilities. everyone has like bladestorm 3 and rampage 5.. mine is the exact opposite

[molten flicker]

What’s the talent/thing that causes random mini bladestorms?

[winter shoal]

Probably a load condition of combat

[rigid fulcrum]

reap the storm

[hardy shuttle]

Reap

[wheat lantern]

oh man im chaging my icon to that as well

savage

[remote bobcat]

NODDERS

[wheat lantern]

no spaces between abilities , F

[coarse nest]

Is that execute

😂

[remote bobcat]

raging blow

[coarse nest]

Even better

[remote bobcat]

how did u even get execute from the reap icon?

exe doesnt spin2win, exe does slayer's strikes

[coarse nest]

The 2

My brain bro

I cant explain it either

[remote bobcat]

oh cuz

[coarse nest]

Warrior shi

[remote bobcat]

SD procs

2x?

[coarse nest]

Yeah lmao

[warm umbra]

powerful or frenzied

in M+

[glad coyote]

depends thane or slayer?

[warm umbra]

slayer

[coarse nest]

Frenzied everytime because it feels sick to play with

[prime bane]

i think i need to step away and not worry about it

idk why people's bladestorms are so much higher up than mine are in their dps

lol

[warm umbra]

just killed souldbinder and thought i would try powerful enrage

[junior gale]

You can play either it's just preference. They both sim close to each other

[warm umbra]

casual 98 log

[prime bane]

i'm 702 and doing a bit over 12m damage on the 5 dummies

[grand verge]

Is slayer the way to go now in M+?

[molten flicker]

I’m watching a video and the bladestorm animation is happening after raging blows even though reap the storm says bloodthirst on the tooltip?

[warm umbra]

its tier set hotfix

[hardy shuttle]

That seems about right then. Im 712 and at like 14-15m sustained. I think I hit them for 4 or 5 mins

[winter shoal]

s3 4pc set bonus

[lean valley]

is taking dragons roar over spear more damage?

in M+

[winter shoal]

They're about the same

Pick whatever you want

Personally I find roar a lot easier and comfier

[oak peak]

what is a realistic miss chance for Antenna when simming?

[molten flicker]

Was the dmg always there just not the animation?

[warm umbra]

no

[coarse nest]

10-20 probably

[winter shoal]

It used to be 20% per cast, now it's 20% per target (so ~67% on 5 targets)

[oak peak]

thanks!

[molten flicker]

Ahh ok so that’s why everyone is trying slayer then that makes sense

[winter shoal]

Yeah slayer already had its use cases (much higher single target than thane at the cost of some aoe), but now its aoe is also very competitive

FWIW slayer does still lose to thane on higher target counts, but the difference is less severe than before

[limber oar]

And the ST/prio dmg is more than enough to make up for it tbh

So long as you play around having bladestorm up at the start of every pack

[molten flicker]

Should you press RB after bladestorm even when capped in big pulls or just hit rampage?

[coarse nest]

Yes RB until out of charges or enrage falls off

And then rampage

[winter shoal]

For stacking SS for BF? Yes you still should following the same rules as before

Tbh the rotation didn't really change much at all before and after the fix, we just do more dam now

[lean valley]

Should I be simming 10t or 5t patchwerk?

[winter shoal]

5t is more common but you do you

[molten flicker]

Ok cool thanks, obviously people don’t play perfect but was just watching a vod and they were sending rampage regardless of rb stacks sometimes so I wasn’t sure

[winter shoal]

You don't intentionally stack SS before rampage outside of right after bladestorm

It just happens as a result of you following your normal rotation

[hollow leaf]

god nexus king is so chaotic

[lofty forge]

Gents, Whats a good m plus opener with Cursed Stone Idol trinket as slayer Fury

[wheat lantern]

what am i focusing on sitting on these targeting dummies over and over for a force of habit ?

think i slack maintaining WW

[molten flicker]

So rampage-bladestorm-130rage when bladestorm ends cuz big pull-2charges of RB up-what should you press next?

[sullen tendon]

this was mine from a 15 last night that wasnt too good but we still timed

[cobalt relic]

do we go

slayer 4p vs mythic soul hunters

[wheat lantern]

you could probably get 3 stacks , or even 4. depends what your enrage is

[winter shoal]

Depends on exe conditions, but you'd generally RB until you run out of enrage or RB charges

[cobalt relic]

or thane

[hardy bluff]

both work

[prime bane]

ours are at least closer

[winter shoal]

Slayer probably better on paper, thane maybe better in practice

[molten flicker]

Awesome, thank you both

[winter shoal]

That ONLY applies after bladestorm though because of brutal finish

[molten flicker]

Yeah outside of that send rampage before rage cap unless kaching+enrage not falling off right?

[winter shoal]

Generally yeah

[supple summit]

is rampage 115 rage still ahead of RB besides right before BF

[vapid tiger]

Can do the standard opener from the guides and macro idol to charge. It will cast as you charge in. just be careful the initial hit could steal aggro

[winter shoal]

Yes

[supple summit]

ty

[pulsar quest]

Reliable sources have told me it’s a sim bait to even both sending rbs after bladestorm

[winter shoal]

You also want to maintain ww stacks in aoe of course

[sullen tendon]

rampage is used to dump SS stacks and keep enrage up

[pulsar quest]

Just send ramp immediately after bs and get your next bs up quicker

More thinking = less damage

There’s a percentage equalizer to warriors that is %brain used = %dps lost

[winter shoal]

I don't generally agree about BF SS stacking not being worth, but I do agree that it's a small optimization and not worth stressing about for most people

[sullen tendon]

what

[molten flicker]

Also when did this hotfix happen?

[junior gale]

Two days ago

[winter shoal]

Probably Tuesday?

[pulsar quest]

With patch

[winter shoal]

They never announced anything

[edgy widget]

*up to

[winter shoal]

True

[edgy widget]

it was on Tues, yeah

[winter shoal]

Depends on the overwhelm stacks

[junior gale]

So who's ready for fury nerfs announced tomorrow

[pulsar quest]

I like it because the way the meta shifted away from assassin in high keys means we lost our prio target damage dealer

Which with this change and us playing fury I can now fill that roll

It’s pretty cool

[edgy widget]

you usually start with 5-8 stacks of Overwhelm from Bladestorm, which results in a combined 41 - 58% chance, until you start getting Reap procs to stack it further

[lean valley]

Do we go Slayer for M+ now because of change if we play fury?

[pulsar quest]

We can run outlaw and feral and I can do big prio damages

[wheat lantern]

only because your name , youre to blame

[junior gale]

Sub rogue still exists

[pulsar quest]

My outlaw friend was it was nice seeing me near him on the meters too

[smoky vale]

i still feel fury prio is too slow

[junior gale]

Just less of them

[loud patrol]

Play whatever you enjoy more

[pulsar quest]

Yeah ours may play sub tbh we don’t know yet

But I play with a few different rogues

Most common is outlaw in high keys

[junior gale]

The guy I play with is a huge sub rogue player

And he still pumps hard

[pulsar quest]

Our main rogue was assassin and was comfortable on sub also for rookery and theater

[junior gale]

I still struggle to beat him with Slayer change

[pulsar quest]

Lately he’s been cranking as sub

[junior gale]

Yeah sub is really good especially if you have fract trinket

[smoky vale]

in the keys i did with gajeel

[winter shoal]

Sub owns

[pulsar quest]

Yeah he got one xD

[molten flicker]

Sub pumps

[smoky vale]

i felt either i had to st a lot more

[pulsar quest]

His burst is insane with that trinket

Like 30m+

[winter shoal]

Fury sims like 1m higher than sub on paper and still loses in practice gg

[junior gale]

Who knew spymasters on a sub rogue would make them insane

Crazyyyyyuy

[smoky vale]

or just fury isnt fast enough st killing prio

[winter shoal]

what was gajeel playing

[pulsar quest]

Fury feels like a bit of a ramping playstyle

[smoky vale]

fury me frost

[winter shoal]

Oh right I forgor you were a traitor

[pulsar quest]

Once you build enough overwhelmed stacks and other buffs you really start cranking out executes

[bitter palm]

once

[smoky vale]

didnt you betray dk to play war

[pulsar quest]

I can keep up with frost dks snd outlaw rogues on most packs

[smoky vale]

sus

[bitter palm]

(2 s of bladestorm)

[smoky vale]

idk

[winter shoal]

who are you talking to

[smoky vale]

you

[pulsar quest]

Only time I can’t keep up with dk is during BIG CD WINDOWS like pot trinket lust all that

But it evens out halfway through the pull

[smoky vale]

yaah

[junior gale]

Not really ramping just consistent. Fury is basically outlaw in BFA right now

Big consistent dmg

[smoky vale]

it falls of really hard

[winter shoal]

I played dk in the original wrath of the lich king like 16 years ago

[junior gale]

And strong boss dmg

[winter shoal]

I've mained warrior since I came back in df

[sullen dove]

lil gup gio only been playing since df nbd

[pulsar quest]

Man I wish I was in on soul hunters

Thane looks so fun on that fight

[winter shoal]

Just be your guild's only warrior

[smoky vale]

hi pookie

[sullen dove]

but slayer

[junior gale]

CLAPPA clap

[sullen dove]

[pulsar quest]

I am our only dps warrior

[smoky vale]

@sullen dove

[pulsar quest]

But prot being good

[winter shoal]

It isn't, you just hit boss and wait for your ranged and healers to figure out the mechanics

[pulsar quest]

🤮

[sullen dove]

me on forgeweaver

actually boring as shit now

[pulsar quest]

Out for Araz and soul hunters which seems like the 2 funnest fights

[sullen tendon]

peopel will take litearlly anyone but a warrior

[sullen dove]

when i see a cc doesnt go off i just sit there

vibe

[junior gale]

So almost every raid fight

[smoky vale]

yes

[pulsar quest]

And in for soulbinder but all adds are deleted so no fun

[junior gale]

[smoky vale]

i will never invite a warrior

[sullen dove]

u are not inviting anybody

[junior gale]

Gio IO check

You 3300 yet

[smoky vale]

3316

[sullen dove]

baby shit

[junior gale]

Sheesh

[pulsar quest]

I’ll remember this next time u dm me for title keys lil gup

[smoky vale]

playing with public

and humans ik

is very different

[junior gale]

I started pushing again after Slayer buffs I'm finally 3300

[smoky vale]

be fr

[junior gale]

Was like 3220 for 2 weeks as I didn't feel like playing

[smoky vale]

i need to get off al qaeda class

[thick fossil]

I haven't been pushing at all and I'm 3125.

[pulsar quest]

I lowkey really wanna learn havoc

[winter shoal]

"I can shockwave on a 25s cd"
"Isn't shockwave duration shit?"
"Yeah"
"Don't worry about it then"

[smoky vale]

thats cope

[junior gale]

Losing Colossus shockwave is the biggest loss

Of playing fury

[pulsar quest]

I swear to god

[winter shoal]

True

[pulsar quest]

I miss col shockwave so much

[whole iron]

new slayer buff you play same talents as before?

[smoky vale]

the knock up is so good

[thick fossil]

Well, if they miss the push into the void it don't matter anyways.

[drifting token]

#dps-faq

[winter shoal]

You can yeah, you can also change some things around for crit nodes and/or OF

[smoky vale]

when are we doing brew 3 fury shaman

[thick fossil]

Both of our druids are a little special as well, so I'm expecting a long learning curve.

[quaint stag]

They should really add shockwave knock up to the extra choice node. Worth the extra point

Rumbling earth or whatever it is

[smoky vale]

do you think kisington will let it happen

@pulsar quest

[junior gale]

Fuck shamans 4 warrior and a MW

Let's go

[thick fossil]

We need to do another 5 warrior key.

[whole iron]

Thank you

[smoky vale]

i feel like skyfury too good to give up

[sullen dove]

I’m spearing as slayer

[smoky vale]

meow

[sullen dove]

(roar is who cares either way)

[smoky vale]

why didnt you respond to me

[sullen dove]

what do you want

[thick fossil]

I'm also on spear duty for Araz. It sucks ass.

[junior gale]

It's been whatever for fury for years it feels like

[smoky vale]

i said hi pookie

[junior gale]

Was only really insane for arms

[pulsar quest]

That man will do anything you ask

[sullen dove]

https://tenor.com/view/true-get-this-man-a-true-go-my-true-whatever-go-my-true-gif-16382191100563919909

[winter shoal]

Literally before we even pulled I dropped the "I can play spear but it's 90s cd so it won't be up much" and RL was like yeah fuck that

[pulsar quest]

He wanted us to run 3x feral title keys just to try it

[sullen dove]

ngl spear is actually like pull saver

[pulsar quest]

He would literally die if you asked him to do anything unconventional

[winter shoal]

We have 3 dks so spear really isn't needed

Any stragglers just get gripped to hell and back

[sullen dove]

spear when they spawn and even if mfs miss knocks spear keeps em there forever

[smoky vale]

i will send a weapon next week on my war

[sullen dove]

happened once or twice

if no spear it was just insta gg

[smoky vale]

next week we do 3 fury keys

[smoky vale]

just yell at your team to press anything or

[pulsar quest]

We actually ran double warrior feral for like 2-3 weeks

Around the 18-19 key level

[smoky vale]

arm fury

[tender forge]

what you guys been running on floodgate, thane or slayer?

[pulsar quest]

Until our healer said he was quitting if we didn’t run a real comp

[smoky vale]

i mean

3 fury is like having a dk

3

[rigid jewel]

Wait sorry are we using slayer on council now? instead of THane

[smoky vale]

just dont sie

[lyric panther]

Just reading about this bug, would you play slayer on Mythic Araz now instead of Thane?

[thick fossil]

Arms, Colossus.
I'd run Fury Slayer now though.

[tender forge]

lol , ty 🙂

[glad coyote]

up till last night thane, now slayer lol

[whole iron]

arms is not fun

[glad coyote]

been deleting DKs all day in keys with new slayer

[quaint forge]

Are we changing raid talents around at all? Probably has been mentioned already, so I apologize for the repeat.

[thick fossil]

Slayer on Araz is great. You get bladestorm for almost every pack.

[whole iron]

but are slayer buff not a bug really?

[modest condor]

no it's the opposite

[pulsar quest]

Yeah I was running arms on all keys but dawn and streets, now there’s no reason not to slayer fury on all of them

[modest condor]

it was bugged and now it's fixed

[junior gale]

Bug fix

[whole iron]

ah ok

thanks guys

[thick fossil]

Apparently it was a fix. Which makes sense.

[smoky vale]

silm do you think bt should have been working that way all expansion

[sullen dove]

It literally has been

[whole iron]

cheers mates

[pulsar quest]

Bt dkes work that way

[whole iron]

and great news

[smoky vale]

then why did it feel like it did 0 damage

oh wait

[thick fossil]

Most likely, and they o ly pulled their head out of their ass now.

[junior gale]

Haiyaaa

58

[smoky vale]

fury does no damage

[winter shoal]

I challenge you to ctrl+f (the answer is maybe, there's a spec that loses a small amount of ST for a small gain of aoe)

[sullen dove]

bad perhaps

or didn’t hit button enough

I was spamming bt on broodtwister slamming 4mil dps

[pulsar quest]

Well BT has a cooldown as slayer

[quaint forge]

Gratzi

[pulsar quest]

Whereas RB doesn’t really

[smoky vale]

impossible to parse on that boss past first kill i stg

[pulsar quest]

You essentially have infinite rbs

[smoky vale]

bro do you remember when soredish pulled up to pred raid

[winter shoal]

I'd personally drop roar caps from that build

[smoky vale]

i remember 🥀

[winter shoal]

put them in cruel strikes instead

[pulsar quest]

Slayer apex talent gonna be condemn

Calling it now

[smoky vale]

stop

[pulsar quest]

Screenshot this

[static rock]

👀 YES!!!

[latent hedge]

condem went to hunters

we lost it

[radiant plank]

this been callled since they first mentioned apex talents

[candid falcon]

I would legit pog out of my mind

[static rock]

The return of execute supremacy

[pulsar quest]

Execute is now condemn and it’s a sweeping execute in a cone in front of you that hits all targets

Hire me

UNCAPPED

[winter shoal]

Isn't this just the guillotine node that walhe and cone cooked

[pulsar quest]

200% MODIFIER

[candid falcon]

how does that interact with whirlwind

[pulsar quest]

They say great minds think alike

[thick fossil]

Bring back Fan of Longswords!

[eternal canopy]

does anyone know mastery buffs increase for fury?

[junior gale]

Fan of longswords would make Slayer fury perfect

Can nerf it too to be only in reck

[smoky vale]

eddie can you ask him for me :3

[bitter palm]

thats the only way it should be

during reck

[smoky vale]

do i gotta do it

[pulsar quest]

Yes

[bitter palm]

if it was passive fury wouild be boring

[pulsar quest]

Speaking of only during deck

Reck

What happened to ra lmao

[junior gale]

Should be one of the new Slayer talents imo

[pulsar quest]

That shit is DEADGE

[smoky vale]

ra dead

[bitter palm]

got shot in the head

[smoky vale]

rip week 1 nerubar fury

🥀

[pulsar quest]

never forget nerubar RA

[bitter palm]

what about titans torment

[pulsar quest]

DEADGE

[bitter palm]

titans is a lot more dead than ra

[smoky vale]

what about old warlords torment

[bitter palm]

ra isnt actually that dead

[pulsar quest]

GOD season 1 week 1 fury was so fun

[smoky vale]

rip getting reck on cs

[gleaming perch]

Hi guys, pretty new to warrior.

Raiding today.

I heard about slayer Changes?

Its stillt the Best raid Build ?

[pulsar quest]

Read updates

[junior gale]

Warrior talents 101 Blizz replaces something with a new talent thats useless dog ass

[pulsar quest]

Short answer yes

[junior gale]

Nothing new

[static rock]

#updates-midnight

[junior gale]

Hello spiteful serenity in the arms tree

You are so cool

And welcomed

[gleaming perch]

Nice ty guys

[remote bobcat]

the build has no gameplay change in raid aside from us clicking raging blow to farm reap procs in aoe situations rather than clicking BT to farm reap procs

[pulsar quest]

Bring back taste for blood in arms

[coarse kelp]

You guys got any tips for Loomithar M? My uptime is shit between the boss and the tangles

[pulsar quest]

Big overpowers that felt huge

[buoyant cape]

what stats does bis list use for boe helm?

[pulsar quest]

Kill tangles for prog and then never hit them again on reclear