fury

[south kayak]

Damn

I sim 3.7m

[pearl sequoia]

im 2.7 on half a target

[olive wraith]

Skill issue (lol no 4p)

[south kayak]

Real

At least I got antenna

Normal though

[hollow leaf]

apparently I have illegal ilvl according to my healer friend

I got hc antenna in vault but it was a downgrade

grabbed soulbinder myth neck

[junior gale]

welcome to the club

[hollow leaf]

can't wait to have screams rng on top of my bad hns rng

[pearl sequoia]

looks pretty standard ilvl after replacing jastors and crafting bracers

[hollow leaf]

thought so too

[junior gale]

dude its so funny watching it from pull to pull. It either fucking owns or does nothing

[frank dawn]

has anyone tried the screams trinket at like 13/14 range, it felt bad farming lower keys but I don't really have a great altnerative to it and maybe things kind of live long enough for it to be ok once you get above 12

[hollow leaf]

most pulls tonight I have to check mid pull like "wait am I not running hns?" because it never fucking refunds me rb stacks

[south kayak]

@modest condor I’m watching yoda rn, didn’t crit have the exact same dps as that dk after that first pull?

[vapid dagger]

Tried the 4p, definitely better , still outdps by a ret haha .
I dont line that you need a 4p to make décent dps

[frank dawn]

I see this guy is a screams gamer

just lots of rng eh?

[olive wraith]

Welcome to wow where the balancing hinges a great deal on tier sets

[south kayak]

I don’t think ret should be outdpsing slayer fury

If both equal ilvl and skill

[frank dawn]

idk man pinkman can do a lot of aoe it seems

[vapid dagger]

For the pace, it's crazy

[hollow leaf]

implying playing ret requires skill

[fleet wave]

does this change any with our ST build? how about dropping focus in chaos?

[hollow leaf]

nope

[vapid dagger]

Fury feels fun to play, but huge huge pace

[olive wraith]

No

[olive wraith]

I think ret tier is kinda giga for aoe

Isn’t it a bunch of hammer of light procs or something

[south kayak]

I think so

I think you can use it once after using it

It’s crazy

[mossy fox]

what are we talking about here

[south kayak]

Some people were trying to convince Yoda that fury slayer is meta and really great

He was unconvinced but wanted to try

[mossy fox]

ah

[south kayak]

The tag is kind of related, I think you did the same amount of dps as his frost dk player in this 18 ara after the first pull

Which means fury pog

[mossy fox]

idk we'll see

[vapid dagger]

It's décent, but I didn't feel the S tier

Not worth a nerf

[mossy fox]

my team keys usually go much different to my pug keys

[lilac kite]

trying to get into keys right now feels rough with lack of healers

puggin is buggin

[hollow leaf]

:noway:

[modest condor]

yeah like you do these pugs and you think fury is giga blasting, but i dont think you beat qrva's overall in any of the runs you did today

[mossy fox]

yeah

[sullen rune]

Every effing time. First pull Flood one or 2 procs until only shredder left at 10% life, then 4 procs in a row

[vapid dagger]

You play OF now ? Seems good to charge then OF to get enrage

[south kayak]

Isn’t he getting close though

[olive wraith]

Huge buff to phys comp though right

[south kayak]

Ret isn’t physical right

[olive wraith]

Ya not crits team

Generally

[modest condor]

he is

[modest condor]

one of their hero specs is afaik

turns all their damage into holyshock (i think it's called?) which is holy/phys

[hollow leaf]

my brain can't register that

there's magic and phys damage

DAMAGE IS DAMAGE

[olive wraith]

Thane is similar

[modest condor]

wait until you hear what damage type thunderblast is

[winter shoal]

There's like 15 of those, including thunder blast

Enhance is like 90% stormstrike damage too afaik

[modest condor]

no enhance is just nature afaik

they have an ability called stormstrike tho

[south kayak]

Holystrike

[hollow leaf]

lightningstrike right

[winter shoal]

Surely stormstrike does stormstrike damage right

[hollow leaf]

or whatever

[south kayak]

Physical

[modest condor]

i dont think stormstrike damage existed before thane

[south kayak]

Funnily enough

Yeah it did not

[hollow leaf]

I don't even understand what all these different damages mean

[olive wraith]

Flavor

[modest condor]

if something is purely physical it is (usually) reduced by armor and affected by monk debuff

[south kayak]

Are you sure that’s a hero talent?

[modest condor]

if it is purely magical it is affected by dh debuff

[plucky wedge]

for the new build in aoe is it rb over execute and then the other way around in St?

[modest condor]

if it's both it's not affected by armor and affected by both debuffs (if both are active it picks the strongest)

[olive wraith]

Idk the discord is closed so I can’t ask

[modest condor]

im 90% sure

[south kayak]

Let me check

[astral rover]

soo reap with odins fury?

[pearl sequoia]

wizards dont hit you with staves they cast spells

damage type

[winter shoal]

is it still lmao

[olive wraith]

I actually don’t know lol

Just memeing

[south kayak]

Honestly

If all ret needed was 5% to do this much damage

They didn’t need it

Facts

[olive wraith]

What are you asking ?

[south kayak]

No cap

[modest condor]

you were right it's in their spec tree

[sullen tendon]

can someone make a website that just does an estimated countdown of when nerfs will hit

based on past times between fury being good and resulting nerfs

[astral rover]

if youi spec reap with odins fury nopw

[devout zodiac]

With the hotfix to fury warrior slayer 4p do we ever press bloodthirst at all? Is it just a button we press if we get no RB resets?

[frank dawn]

the aoe prio is the same as st basically, so yes, if you run out of rb/exe hit bt

[pearl sequoia]

when the fun to power ratio is close to 1, nerfs inc

[winter shoal]

You can find talents here #1273899855852339200 message - you can play OF if you want (there's a build there) but it's a tradeoff between a small amount of aoe gain and a small amount of single target loss

[olive wraith]

OF is pref. If you’re slayer you have to grab reap

[sullen tendon]

either they are going to cap reap the storms target count similar to how they neutered OF or they are going to reduce the 4p effect to like 75%

[olive wraith]

Reducing reap bonus is best case scenario (if we are nerfed)

[frank dawn]

has anyone streamed with like actual gamers, or have we just seen people crushing random bad pugs lol

[olive wraith]

But this doesn’t change anything for raid

So I think we’re safe

[frank dawn]

I really don't think fury is out of line in M+

[sullen tendon]

im doin more damage than frost dks

this cant stand

[olive wraith]

You’re with bad fdk

[devout zodiac]

@frank dawn I know we don't track the bloodthirst guarantee crit anymore but are we at all prio the bleed effect from BT at all in M+?

[sullen tendon]

yea the ywere green parsing lol

[slate elk]

I´m doing more dmg than the tanks. It must be nerfed.

[south kayak]

This means divine storm isn’t physical btw, right

[honest trail]

So even on Hunters we go Slayer now?

[frank dawn]

nah we don't care about that, just hit BT if you can't hit anything else. Nothing else to track.

[olive wraith]

we remove bt talents

[south kayak]

Edited

[modest condor]

i dont think divine storm is singletarget

[south kayak]

I edited it

Typo

[quiet breach]

I think there is a pretty good chance this reap change was unintentional and itl be gone soon

[lilac kettle]

went hunters on slayer because i forgot to change to thane. was not aware of the change. Got surprised by the dmg.. ended 6M+

[south kayak]

If we’re not breaking the game dealing 30% more damage than everyone else

[lilac kettle]

(on hc)

[south kayak]

It’s fine

[vapid dagger]

But I don't get the point of having a 4p doing +30% dps and the basis sucks

[olive wraith]

I mean that’s just the game isn’t it? Most of the power season to season is because tier

[sullen tendon]

the nbuff base fury damage

but the ycant

[olive wraith]

Would you prefer s2 set where our base kit was mid and tier set was ass

[sullen tendon]

because bse fury has no uncapped aoe abilities

that do damage

unless they put merciles bonegrinder back inthe game

[south kayak]

Slayer is baseline

[olive wraith]

FWIW slayer was pretty good in keys before this

[frank dawn]

there are several stupidly strong tier bonuses this season, and with how accessible they've made tier bonuses I don't think it really matters as long as the end result is good

obviously last season sucked ass with a mediocre kit and dog shit tier bonus

[sullen tendon]

but it does matter because paladins and mages arent doing top damage

[frank dawn]

xd

[uneven pilot]

Someone should get on that because I'm already tired of this question. :))))

[olive wraith]

Having tier sets be big bonuses is good imo. It can change the playstyle from season to season a bit easier

[olive wraith]

It’s been updated

[vapid dagger]

But you dont feel confident for next season

[elfin harbor]

hey i heard just now Fury Slayer got stealth buffed? Better know for m+ maybe even best?

[olive wraith]

Wdym

[uneven pilot]

Okay, must've been real recent because the last 5 people who've told me it was still 3 weeks since last update lol

[vapid dagger]

You main a class that will sucks next season cause of tier set

[olive wraith]

Yes

S2 warrior

S1 Df

[olive wraith]

I mean nothing has changed until yesterday

[uneven pilot]

Yeah no I mean people keep coming into Hekili discord asking about the new rotation all day lol, but sim was only updated an hour ago

[winter shoal]

P sure the APL won't change much anyways, people just seem to be conflating the tier set behavior with a different rotation

[uneven pilot]

They are

[winter shoal]

Didn't realize simc was already updated with new APL

[uneven pilot]

Because I've been "informed" of that multiple times

[olive wraith]

1. I think Archi was waiting to see if it was unintended
2. It takes some time to update it after a change

[uneven pilot]

I haven't looked at it

But every time someone asks I'm gonna ignore the APL update for another 3 hours tbh

[winter shoal]

Based

[old perch]

If i am planning on playing Warrior only up to 10-12 range and only do AOTC. Should i bother gearing Arms and Fury (M+ and Raid)? Or just focus entirely on Fury, im not sure how much of a deficit fury is to arms in keys.

[digital mauve]

So is it intended or unintended? Are we expecting it to be reverted?

[olive wraith]

Okay George rr martin

[edgy widget]

depends on what you consider out of line

[winter shoal]

You should play whichever you enjoy more

[winter shoal]

We don't know, and we don't know

[edgy widget]

the top end is very strong, but it's still weaker than a few specs lmao

[warm crag]

🔮

[olive wraith]

🔮

[edgy widget]

it literally could not matter less, just play what you like at that range

[old perch]

Thank you both. Appreciate it. I was leaning that way but was unsure.

[digital mauve]

Let's pray it stays like this

[sage ridge]

I prefer Thane but I don't like the double rng on the set

[edgy widget]

its not double RNG anymore

[sage ridge]

I guess not the set but TB

[edgy widget]

ionizing strike has a chance to trigger, but if it does, it always refreshes TB

[olive wraith]

Pray for increased tb reset chance

[sage ridge]

Chance to get TB on BT and then one on the refresh

[devout zodiac]

When spamming raging blow after bladestorm are we spamming until 0 charges left? Or until enrage ends/almost ends or? (IN M+)

[edgy widget]

when Ionizing Strike had a chance to proc and then TB had a chance to reset - that was double RNG

aka dependent probability

[olive wraith]

Enrage>Exe conditionals>rb

[devout zodiac]

So, don't drop enrage?

[south kayak]

I totally forgot how that set works lol

[olive wraith]

Correct

[honest trail]

Never ever drop enrage

[olive wraith]

You also want meat cleaver stacks

[south kayak]

Isn’t it rng for ionizing strikes to proc?

But if they do proc

[olive wraith]

In aoe

[south kayak]

U get giga TB

?

[sage ridge]

Problem with Thane is you get no procs on the big pack then get it back to back on the st boss

[south kayak]

Can someone clarify

Ionising strikes procs reset TB and buff it, right?

So they are the rng component

[olive wraith]

You actually just swap to slayer now.

[south kayak]

I’m just curious

I have 2p, I can’t play thane anyway

[olive wraith]

Low key forget the wording

But ionizing has a chance to give big tb and that resets cd

I think it was

[olive wraith]

Ye

So bump it up to 50%

And thane is back

[south kayak]

And nerf the big damage to 75%

[olive wraith]

And buff ionizing strikes by 300%

[quiet breach]

ew no

keep it rng

big RNG is fun

play slayer if u want consistent

[random bough]

When is the best time to pop cursed stone idol? after cds or before?

[quiet breach]

it's now good

[olive wraith]

Before

[sage ridge]

before

[random bough]

ok thanks!

[quiet breach]

the feeling of getting a quadra TB on a big pack is unmatched

[viscid condor]

idk i hit bladestorm once and i forget about thunder spec

shit si fire

[olive wraith]

But you also feel fucked if you don’t get procs

Highs are high and lows are low

[quiet breach]

part of the game gang

slayer is consistent and arguably better now

[olive wraith]

I don’t think it’s arguable

[quiet breach]

let the other hero talent be more rng

[sage ridge]

It's also a lot more common to get fucked by the procs than proc 4 times back to back on a big pull

[quiet breach]

because it's fun to get huge procs and mog the damage meter

[viscid condor]

true

high roll is fuckign sick

[mystic kayak]

For slayer OF fury, is Frenzied Enrage really better than Powerful Enrage? I feel like I'm getting weaker rampages post BS since I can't stack as many SS via RB, enrage falls off too fast.

[olive wraith]

Hot take I think bladestorm is mid

[mystic kayak]

Referring to the one hovered btw

[quiet breach]

bladestorming a huge tightly gathered pack does feel great

can't lie

[olive wraith]

That doesn’t affect enrage time

[mystic kayak]

Powerufl enrage extends enrage by 1 sec?

[quiet breach]

yes

[olive wraith]

1 sec is 1 gcd

Sorry not exactly “doesn’t effect”

[quiet breach]

the 1 second extension is big for thane cuz u get a lot more value from your non rampage casts

[olive wraith]

But it’s not gonna be a big difference for that scenario

[quiet breach]

u can keep spamming those BTS and TBs

shit I need to change my name

[undone flower]

More like 0.7-0.8 sec is 1 gcd on us currently

[quiet breach]

people keep complaining about the RNG of thane when it's part of the fun

I must take a stand

[south kayak]

Bro is not afraid

To take a stand

[earnest canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/leg-giraffe-trying-to-stand-limp-gif-9295362

[olive wraith]

So you’ll basically cast an extra gcd within an extra second

That’s not gonna net you a noticeable damage increase

[undone flower]

Yes but like you say, it doesn’t really affect

[quiet breach]

I use frenzied enrage as slayer and powerful enrage as thane

always

[olive wraith]

Pog name change i dig it

[placid crane]

Does Odyns Fury self enrage benefit from itself? Or should I get enraged before using it?

[modest condor]

it does

[placid crane]

kk ty

[vapid dagger]

Same with rampage ?

[quiet breach]

how long has enrage been a part of fury kit?

[elfin harbor]

forever

[modest condor]

yes, rampage as well

and onslaught

bloodthirst doesnt tho

[fickle cedar]

big momma with big pull (that was the first seconds tho, ended with 15m)

[dull hatch]

crafting a ilvl 720 2h weapon should make my hero weapon upgradeable to 710 without crests right? or did they change this?

[chilly fractal]

Yes

You may have to relog

[dull hatch]

yeah guess its bugged . still wants crests for upgrading hero weapon

ty

[charred flint]

relog

[chilly fractal]

Just relog should be fine

[quiet breach]

was there ever a time where fury warriors pressed onslaught alot

as well as rampage

[compact knot]

there was

[olive wraith]

Df

[modest condor]

yeah df s1 and 2

[gaunt loom]

is this simc rotation correct? didn’t we used to use odyn’s fury before bladestorm?

[jade hatch]

Was there actually a change to slayer aoe?

[modest condor]

refreshes enrage and whirlwind so you can spam raging blow

dont think it really matters either way tho

[jade hatch]

Nvm found it in announcement ignore me

[gaunt loom]

i see

[naive latch]

Should I just raging blows?

[hard widget]

Sil

[modest condor]

jeventes

[modest condor]

after bladestorm yeah

[hard widget]

How is it with the rampage / rb condition?

Are we rbing over ramp even at full rage?

[modest condor]

not that i know

[hard widget]

I was wondering about it, if it would be worth

On >5

Obviously refreshing for enrage but ye

[naive latch]

I'm getting my fingers twisted with rb and dumping rage on ramp

[signal locust]

Is new slayer using frenzied or powerful enrage?

[mighty wren]

at this rate fury will be the actual 1 button rotation 😂

[olive wraith]

Sim

[olive wraith]

Nah we still press other buttons

[marble swift]

im not seeing the giga hype with new slayer, its slightly better than thane, only for the fact its not some rng reset fishing

if your tank pulls like an ape it makes getting overwhelm annoying

[hard widget]

There is very little rng to it tbh

[marble swift]

to thane?

its just annoying

[hard widget]

To slayer

[marble swift]

slayer is nice

it feels better

but its not OP dps

[hard widget]

Its pretty op ngl

[marble swift]

idk im maintaining overwhelm and rage dumping rb like a psychopath and its good but not crazy

[mystic kayak]

When fury slayer in keys, is execute when the WA pops up higher prio in aoe packs than RB?

[olive wraith]

Isn’t this true for literally all dps

If tank isn’t pulling well dps will suffer

[worn rain]

you forgot about broth ST

[final epoch]

im hearing we've been stealth buffed for reap and bs

[marble swift]

my ret can bust packs every 30s

[olive wraith]

Not bs

[snow edge]

Yes, it’s outlined very clearly in updates

[marble swift]

ret doesnt care

[olive wraith]

You have bs every 30 seconds

[fathom flame]

on a scale of 1-10 how fun is warrior dps

[marble swift]

kinda but sometimes packs are mid death halfway through

and ret you get hammer procs

idk

[snow edge]

Ret is very forgiving in pugs / unknown routes

[naive latch]

10 because me see glowing button me click

[raven ermine]

What did the hotfix change?

[fathom flame]

wait

[olive wraith]

Right but as long as you have bs on opener. You start reaping

[marble swift]

tldr, slayer procs on multiple targers now

[fathom flame]

is warrior just the lizard meme

[worn rain]

/10

[marble swift]

correct yea

[chilly plume]

[olive wraith]

You picked one example out of 30

[naive latch]

We're getting there kekw

[gaunt loom]

simc still feels like it uses bt way too often.

[final epoch]

oh boi

[fathom flame]

just like resto shaman right now.. nice!

[chilly plume]

maybe that iteration lowrolled RB resets?

[modest condor]

yeah? how often does it use it?

[gaunt loom]

see?

[raven ermine]

What's the long version?

[modest condor]

no i dont see

all i see is a small section of about 15 seconds

doesnt tell me anything about how often it uses it

[olive wraith]

#updates-midnight

[chilly plume]

it used it 3x in a 6 second span

[modest condor]

ok and how often did it use it for the other 5 minutes of the sim?

[gaunt loom]

lemme try it again brb

[radiant forge]

Any info about number of targets where rb > exec? 🙂

[mystic kayak]

Just wanna ask this again bc I'm unsure. Is it better to RB > Execute with kaching aura? Or still execute to reduce Bladestorm CD

[olive wraith]

Follow the old st prio

[gaunt loom]

guess it’s just an rng thing.

[slim coral]

one handed taesch is now on ptr

https://www.wowhead.com/news/one-handed-taeshalach-and-odyns-spear-transmogs-added-to-legion-remix-378347?utm_source=discord-webhook

[young swan]

spears are hype

[candid falcon]

spears are very hype

[south kayak]

Odyns Spear

New fury ability

[candid falcon]

combines odyns fury and spear

[polar narwhal]

One handed spear cowards

[dense fulcrum]

critical thinking not worth getting for m+?

[rocky spoke]

when is this happening ?

[zinc beacon]

Does our raid multi target spec change at all?

[olive wraith]

Less bt talents

If anything

[simple pewter]

Is there a talent build I can copy somewhere for new Slayer M+ talents?

[zinc beacon]

Thats what i was thinking. Was curious if someone cooked something before i try to last sec before raid

[olive wraith]

#dps-faq

[dense fulcrum]

https://prnt.sc/_ljUOMy9VKou Like if we remove cold steel hot blood and focus in chaos and we put 2 points in critical thinking, is it a dps loss?

since we're focussing on rb it might be better to maximize the dmg of it? idk

[winter shoal]

pug mages man

[young swan]

u can sim this

use latest

should be good

[winter shoal]

Dropping FiC is banned

[jade hatch]

When was this?

[young swan]

11.2.5 ptr notes

would imply its not happening until 11.2.5 comes out

[chilly fractal]

tell that to Critcake

[olive wraith]

@ critcake

[undone flower]

I never understood the talent ngl

[young swan]

makes ur offhand not miss

[undone flower]

But like regular melees or abilities

[young swan]

melees

[arctic copper]

regular melee only

it is a remnant from vanilla wow to balance dual wield vs non dualwield

[undone flower]

Ok so it was as useless as I thought

[dense fulcrum]

and that make it better than critical thinking?

z.z

[marble swift]

is this bait i dont see the blue post

[olive wraith]

There was one though

[young swan]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/the-war-within-patch-11-2-5-development-notes-378416

[marble swift]

they shoved it in legion remix notes?

diabolical

[young swan]

i mean its apart of th 11.2.5 ptr

[marble swift]

they could just hotfix it

id be glad to get rid of it, more stam

[young swan]

u dont even need to wait

just get a mythic soulbinder belt

problem solved

[olive wraith]

I mean we still get rage from melees

[dusty cove]

Question, I see on the opener that you send 2 RB's after bladestorm. Do you want to do this after every bladestorm? Just thinking because I am usually always rage capped after it

[dense fulcrum]

ok so hear me out, 1 point in fic and 1 point in crit thinking and we drop hot steel cold blood

xD

[olive wraith]

Is this st?

[dense fulcrum]

m+

im talking about aoe

[olive wraith]

I drop deft/bloodcraze

[young swan]

u press as many raging blows as you can before u run out of enrage

[olive wraith]

And take of

[young swan]

u dont care about rage cap

speaking about after BS specifically

[bitter palm]

is capping ss worth now

cause reap very powerful

in aoe ye

[young swan]

i think you do but idk

just based on how thane played i cant imagine slayer being much diff

[bitter palm]

dont think it matters ngl

[harsh frost]

Don't flame me bois, but is slayer the play in m+? Looks like it's pretty common rn and the bug fix seems nice

[bitter palm]

how often can u go above 5

[young swan]

yeah

[bitter palm]

maybe with odyns

and tr

[sharp wasp]

Is it time to play slayer?

[bitter palm]

ww bladestorm get enraged

[young swan]

yeah

[olive wraith]

🔥

[harsh frost]

Odyn's or no odyn?

[bitter palm]

rb rb rb rb of rb rb rb rb

peak

[young swan]

preference

[olive wraith]

Preference

[bitter palm]

its a tradeoff

more aoe less st

[sharp wasp]

Should I take blood thirst off my bars?

[young swan]

probably not

[bitter palm]

nah u can run out of rb

[harsh frost]

No, there's times it's bt or slam

bt > slam

[bitter palm]

bring back raging armanents

[young swan]

u gotta stop

[harsh frost]

Is it unbridled vs odyn?

[bitter palm]

3 stacks of rb

[young swan]

its deft vs odyns

[summer quail]

nahh you press it sometimes

[olive wraith]

Bt>ww

You don’t press slam

[young swan]

UF is dogshit and u should never talent it for m+

[bitter palm]

bro if deft was where ct is

it would be so peak

[young swan]

yeah it would be nuts

[olive wraith]

That sounds delicious

[harsh frost]

Imo I like deft over unbridled

[chilly plume]

isnt ww>slam even in ST now? my tooltip says ww does 2x damage of slam

[sharp wasp]

Fury still better than arms?

[young swan]

colossus still has higher top end but does piss ST

[harsh frost]

It was just comparing bt and filler slam/ww, not a prio thing

[young swan]

comparatively

[olive wraith]

Since we’re in fury chats yes

[prime bane]

there's an official update to the apl already?

[olive wraith]

Yes

[prime bane]

sweet

[young swan]

for the most part yeah, there will continue to be optimizations over the next couple days probably

[harsh frost]

Is it slayer on forge and soul hunters now too?

[olive wraith]

Wasn’t it better before

Just for boss dmg

[harsh frost]

For boss damage yeah

[prime bane]

i got sad tho

[harsh frost]

But we need adds dead and pad is nice XD

[prime bane]

hekili had an update

lol

it was for outlaw and havoc tho

[dense elm]

do i pump as many RB into enrage window with no regards to rage as possible in ST or do i insta spend?

[prime bane]

where do i see the new rotation?

[young swan]

somewhere inbetween

[young swan]

there isnt really one

you just treat aoe like you currently treat ST

dont press BT unless you literally have to

[prime bane]

you wouldn't use whirlwind in single target tho

[young swan]

yeah

critical thinking can hard carry

if u let it

[prime bane]

i'll try doing the full st rotation

and i wasn't being a dick

[pearl sequoia]

belt nerf 😱 😱 😱 😱

very needed

[bitter palm]

deft experience carries harder

[pearl sequoia]

great balancing blizz

[young swan]

i mean if its aoe ur obviously pressing ww

cause otherwise its not aoe

[young swan]

not for like 4 weeks or something

unless if they put a live hotfix into the 11.2.5 ptr notes

[pearl sequoia]

its just weird, will be replaced eventually anyway

[young swan]

not for some classes

evoker just uses it the whole season

[pearl sequoia]

ok well knowing that, i can see now

[bitter palm]

ye there are classes that just use it forever

[chilly fractal]

Gives people time to find a suitable replacement and for others a hero track should be fine

[olive wraith]

Yes you do

[chilly fractal]

Uncapped crests etc then too

[prime bane]

rarely

[olive wraith]

It’s last resort yes

But that’s not never

[prime bane]

maaan

my whirlwind tracker isn't working in single target lol

[olive wraith]

That’s not an issue

[prime bane]

is for me

like i said i was treating it like single target but using whirlwind

that way hekili will pump out mostly correct stuff

i would just need to see my 4 things of whirlwind

[sharp wasp]

where is the new slayer buiild?

[olive wraith]

#dps-faq

Oh cause hekili

My b

[astral igloo]

is there a way to fix the laggy feeling you get when you spam rb? or is that just wow

[young swan]

its just wow at high haste

[astral igloo]

i figured because it doesnt happen when i play other classes

[sharp wasp]

so its between odyns fury or not

[olive wraith]

Gotta press those buttons 2 times as often

Just to make sure you’re pressing it enough

[chilly fractal]

fffff 7th for heroic boss damage... try again next week I guess

[oblique thistle]

Personally I will be playing odyn's fury

For no reason other than it's fun

[lunar steeple]

on forgeweaver the adds are basically immune till they get knocked right?

[prime bane]

i won't be simply because i don't like taking it plus thunderous roar... didn't it used to be one or the other once upon a time?

[young swan]

not really, no

[hard widget]

What is your latency?

Depending on latency and the settings on your spell queue window you could feel a bit laggy on high haste

[calm mantle]

Question about reap the storm, reading it it says blood thirst proc it and apply overwhelmed does that mean the procs of reap from raging blow also apply overwhelmed?

[young swan]

ye

[edgy widget]

Frenzied is usually better for Slayer

[sharp wasp]

of seems better no? cause you dont need bt talents?

[edgy widget]

#updates-midnight

[hard widget]

Archi, the post you did about the BT > RB when no BS is really handy to have pinned somewhere too i think

Unless its already done and im just blind

[chilly plume]

gyatt dayum

[heavy folio]

with current slayer would you play it over thane on forgeweaver?

[pearl sequoia]

Probably thane still

[olive wraith]

Slayer has better boss damage

Thane is gonna be pad

So thane for parsing slayer for prog

[pearl sequoia]

With the 3% buff were already basically skipping last phase adds, so maybe with mroe buffs and less add time slayer will start egtting higher

[olive wraith]

Probably

[serene socket]

you have any recommendations for someone who gets that awful laggy feeling during high haste (like heroism)? Ive only got 25ms ping but it feels impossible to do the rotation correctly when gcd is that low

[hard widget]

Do you press ur buttons like multiple times per gcd?

[serene socket]

I am a masher yeah

[hard widget]

Yeah

[worn rain]

try to adjust spell queue window value

[hard widget]

That can be a factor

[worn rain]

maybe it will help a bit

[sharp wasp]

i like slayer better then MT

[hard widget]

So basically when ur such high haste and ur mashing buttons, u sometimes try to override spell queue’s

Which can feel odd and laggy

Or atleast thats my experience

[serene socket]

so maybe decrease queue window a bit and mash a bit less?

I can try that

[worn rain]

try multiple numbers and find what suit yourself

[sharp wasp]

when i get BLOODLUST i usualy slow down my press and stop mashing

more precise clicks

[uneven path]

God dman reap now owns

[serene socket]

or i just reduce the queue window even lower and mash harder instead to make up for it. what could go wrong

[worn rain]

it worked for me actually

[fickle cedar]

im a 150 spellqueue enjoyer

carpal tunnel coming soon

[worn rain]

125 gang

[serene socket]

i never though about using spellqueue window as an option to reduce mashing, it never occured to me before. although i havent messed with it in a really long time. Whats my window even set to right now....

[young swan]

if you've never changed it, its 400

[fickle cedar]

/dump GetCVar("SpellQueueWindow") to print it

[serene socket]

oh its 100 >.>

[trim hound]

Whats the longest you can set spellqueue to?

[young swan]

im not even sure theres an upper limit

[trim hound]

Im gonna try 1 full second for the lols tomorrow 😄

[serene socket]

i only came back to the game about a month ago, must have set this years back

[young swan]

that sounds so miserable lmfao

[serene socket]

it looks like if i try to set it above 400 is defaults back to 400

[young swan]

guess 400 is the upper limit

[earnest canyon]

i set mine to 1 day....I just did my rotation for all 8 bosses then went afk....didnt work very well

[hard widget]

A high spell queue time is good for older players like @young swan 😘

[young swan]

im only 26 man 😭

[hard widget]

Fuck me im older

[jade hatch]

Is there a new talent build to run for slayer m+ with the changes?

[hard widget]

Time to adjust my spell queue window too

[young swan]

i just peaked early and now im washed

[young swan]

#1273899855852339200 message

[hard widget]

Its fine we’ll be washed together bro

[trim hound]

Rip, i feel like it shouldn't matter if its too high? Cuz your last imput always overrides anyways

[jade hatch]

Thats up to date with yesterday's changes? @young swan

[young swan]

yes

[jade hatch]

Yo warrior discord is ON IT letsgo

[eager thorn]

no you dont

you use slam not ww for st filler

[jade hatch]

It's the same build as before, no? 🤔

[young swan]

thats incorrect

[eager thorn]

since when

[young swan]

since they buffed ww by 130%

sometime in s2

[eager thorn]

oh

[young swan]

i cant remember cause i mentally checked out after my guild killed gally

[eager thorn]

well ignore me then i am clueless

[craggy merlin]

is the new slayer OF build meant to run sidearm instead of barbaric training? the other slayer builds typically don't care about WW damage so curious that is still on talented from the thane m+ build

[young swan]

emm

[eager thorn]

ye i did too cos i was in a bit of a terrorist guild

[young swan]

maybe?

[eager thorn]

good to know though ty

[lilac kite]

ok so back to being new

[young swan]

its miniscule in either direction, sidearm is slightly more st, barb training is more aoe

[lilac kite]

in ST in slayer in raid

do i ever praise bloodthirst?!

[young swan]

ideally no

but sometimes you cant avoid it

[worn rain]

praise? No

press? also no

[craggy merlin]

feels like it wouldn't hurt to have seismic reverb instead of a utility point if ever going barb

[olive wraith]

I mean you will press bt at some point lol

[lilac kite]

PRESS

PRESSSSS

PRESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

[eager thorn]

if you have nothing else to press you do

[lilac kite]

so we dont really care about reap the storm in ST?

[young swan]

its procs from RB with the tier set

4pc bonus

[restive peak]

You wanna talk about old bro I'm bout to hit that 37, Xan is a baby

[lilac kite]

OH i am only 2pc

[restive peak]

But fr I think it was Hopeful who had a whole video about why spell queue above 300 was a mistake, I used to use 125 and swapped up to 300

And it actually is better lol

[heavy folio]

btw exe conditions wa wasnt affected by the reap change?

[young swan]

nah

[woven gulch]

gg.. getting nerfed guys 🙁

[rocky spoke]

not being able to charge the start of dimensius sucks balls

[brittle crow]

it literally changes nothing

you have to whirlwind at the start of the fight anyways

walk out while whirlwinding

then you reck charge

[dense fulcrum]

F

[young swan]

i mean its still time wasted

[trim hound]

Still annoying tbh

[brittle crow]

time wasted compared to doing what instead

[young swan]

hitting the boss lmfao

[brittle crow]

even if you could charge, you'd whirlwind first

[young swan]

u would ww mid charge

[brittle crow]

why are you hitting the boss without whirlwind

[young swan]

and lose no globals

are u dense or what

[uneven path]

imagine if they reverted the RB change

[dense fulcrum]

i didnt even had the chance to try it cuz i had raid tonight

[brittle crow]

if u whirlwind, charge halfway thru, rampage

u lose

0 globals

[dense fulcrum]

xD

[brittle crow]

it is really that easy

[trim hound]

Maybe at rank 20 with the raid rep you can attune to the Dimensius portal to place you at ideal range

[young swan]

u lose

1-2s

walking out

fruit

[brittle crow]

?????

[young swan]

stop being a moron

[rocky spoke]

" changes nothing " .. goes onto say how it completely different

[winter shoal]

Glad to see nothing has changed

[brittle crow]

u are all dumb

sad state of affairs

[olive wraith]

You charge. Ww outside of melee. Then first gcd

[brittle crow]

ok im sorry i was wrong. u lose like half a gcd

i am dumb warrior player

[young swan]

idk if ur guild is just shit or what but by the time im actually using abilities the adds are dead

[brittle crow]

idk im actually using abilities after pressing whirlwind once

[winter shoal]

I generally walk out, reck charge ava roar BS and then the add is dead

[brittle crow]

sorry we don't kill the add in 1 gcd ..

[brittle crow]

i don't roar the add it dies too quick

im saving it for 2nd adds

[winter shoal]

All adds die instantly anyways idk

[olive wraith]

Idk either way boss is kinda ass for our opener

[young swan]

i get about 3-4 seconds from hitting the ground before they're dead

like they die before i finish bladestorm

[feral ivy]

is jastor still broken?

[brittle crow]

i hit the ground, run out whirlwind, charge, ramp, bladestorm

[young swan]

just unequip it

[brittle crow]

it always dies around when bladestorm ends

opening diff if u can't manage that idk

[proven stream]

I get full bladestorm and cleave ramp exe

Kek

[brittle crow]

sad state that aotc warrior has better opener than the blues ..

[trim hound]

They'll live a lot longer once they stop counting towards parse lul

[warped drum]

is there a new raid build for cleave now?

[olive wraith]

How is it better if their adds die faster?

Genuine question

[brittle crow]

u have like 10 seconds to kill that add and they do nothing

does how fast u kill them matter

what matters is ur pad

not how fast it dies

[olive wraith]

Right but if the ads explode

You can’t pad

[brittle crow]

i don't think the shittiest lfr group does low enough dps to have the adds explode

shouldn't underestimate lfr nvm

[olive wraith]

Huh

[final knot]

Big nerfs gonna inc bois xD

[olive wraith]

Shitty groups means ads live longer I’d assume

[trim hound]

When you press a gcd just before the pods are broken on Soulbinder and the adds are at 40% hp before your next gcd

[brittle crow]

it is always wise to waste half a gcd waiting than to be late to the punch

thats warrior philosophy

[winter shoal]

no

[violet condor]

when you throw wrecking throw/heroic throw do you have to be enraged when you press the button or when it does dmg to get the benefits of enrage

[olive wraith]

It’s so our rage doesn’t decay

It’s not for damage in the opener

[young swan]

should be when it impacts but i havent done any investigation

pretty hard to test

well

not ahrd

but annoying

[olive wraith]

Oh I misunderstood the question I think

[cobalt kernel]

has anyone tried "new" slayer on araz yet?

[young swan]

maybe but i feel like ur assumption was reasonable

[gaunt delta]

is there any talent changes with the updated stuff or no?

[young swan]

#1273899855852339200 message

not much for raid but we have options for m+ now

[winter shoal]

I mean it's the same options we had before innit

OF/crit stuff for a small aoe gain/small st loss

[young swan]

OF was definitely giga fake before

[winter shoal]

still is

[quiet breach]

time to try slayer builds

[young swan]

i think its a real choice now

for giga aoe dungeons

priory

floodgate

[quiet breach]

is ara kara giga aoe

[young swan]

ara ara

halls

[restive peak]

OF feels really fuckin good man lol

It is slightly worse in my tests thus far, but it's very minimally worse and it feels a lot better

[young swan]

its like

definitely just pad and some QoL

most QoL

[olive wraith]

Your anime is slipping out

[thick fossil]

How many of you have to run spear for Forgeweaver?

[frank dawn]

Don’t spec it. Blizz will use to say OF has been signature and powerful this whole time

STAND STRONG

[dense fulcrum]

eu server is up?

[sharp wasp]

is void pactstone good?

[bitter palm]

no

[quiet breach]

i have some other weakauras that are not visible while out of combat

[olive wraith]

Of isn’t the thing making us strong

[scenic tusk]

hiya! with the option to use odyn's fury, do we use it before bladestorm during opener?

[olive wraith]

Ya before. Can use it as your enrage

[scenic tusk]

got it! thanks!

[violet condor]

using it with the follow up talent too or just a bare OF?

[young swan]

he knows, his point is blizzard will use it to justify doing nothing about the ability being shit

[gritty geyser]

on slayer M+, is there any play on switching Thunderous Roar for Champion Spear? no reason other than i have a soft spot for the super specific utility spear gives.

[final epoch]

10-12m over all with the odyn fury build

[scenic tusk]

also - after every bladestorm, should I hit all my RB charges before rampage even if i'm rage capped?

[final epoch]

like just the one in the builds section

its so many clicks but it pumps numbers

[olive wraith]

Use that spear king

[gritty geyser]

are we now officially the vibes spec haha

[restive peak]

Wouldn't bother with it without TR

[olive wraith]

The capstones aren’t good either way

Roar makes of better

But it’s pretty small

[restive peak]

Yeah

[trail thistle]

With changes can we say slayer better than thane on mythic araz? Or thane still better?

[eager thorn]

I tried slayer earlier and it felt p nice

[cinder hinge]

how important is offhand for dps?

[neon ice]

+15 prio slayer no OF

slayer op

[undone flower]

(details background in transparent = cool)

[uneven path]

I like the mages name

[olive wraith]

#updates-midnight

[lilac kite]

I got my 4pc omfg

Bch

Imma slay

Er

[fossil rose]

Slayer changes defs pipe. Feels good

[lilac kite]

Lots of logs today already from people testing

[sage ridge]

You'd basically use OF as a better WW right?

[tranquil gazelle]

Boys hold on, are we cracked now

[quiet breach]

which do you prefer, odyns fury build or standard slayer m+ build with the TR talents

@restive peak

[olive wraith]

Yes

[young bridge]

I assume raidbots is not updated for the new rb stuff right

[young bridge]

oh weird then

it was simming significantly lower than thane at 8 targets for me

[lilac kite]

Wait but ST slayer is unaffected right?

as far as build goes

[bleak bluff]

god i keep reading OF as onlyfans

[compact knot]

does the slayer raid build drop the bloodthirst talents

not ST but aoe

[bitter palm]

idk odyns might be worth for more burst

if u want to pad

[compact knot]

depends on boss

[bitter palm]

ngl

[compact knot]

idk dimensius

[bitter palm]

its such a minor + -

[compact knot]

yeah

[bitter palm]

i dont think its worth taking

[final epoch]

what do you take instead of OF if you drop all the bt talents

[bitter palm]

we lose like 2-3%? st

dont think thats worth on dimensius

[final epoch]

you get like 6-7 free big boy rbs with of

it feels pretty poggy woggyt

[bitter palm]

deft experience

bloodcraze deft

[compact knot]

cshb

[bitter palm]

try simming critical thinking vs cshb

[final epoch]

oh so you are sticking with the mt slayer thing like from before

[young bridge]

well it's not like there's much else to take

[final epoch]

my highest with of has been 10.3 on a flood gate

i should try it again and see what its like with just the old multi

[lilac kite]

now i am wondering what build to use on nexus king that i am about to do

[young swan]

think i would do something like this

[olive wraith]

Ignore left side gang

[young swan]

okay actually my class tree is kinda troll

but i feel like u get the point

[drowsy heron]

i've tried it, i think Critcake was running that earlier in his stream too

its fun

[dusty cove]

Noted, thank you

[drifting token]

this is my exact build rn i love it

[lilac kite]

would it still be this for a boss like nexus king then?

[compact knot]

maybe

im lowkey blasting dimensius

with odyns

its not bad

[quiet breach]

BRO THANE IS DEAD

HOLY SHIT

THIS IS CRACKED

[final epoch]

thane is in fact

dead

[restive peak]

Thank god

Fuck RNG proc shit

[young swan]

man it would be so sick if we had fan of longswords

i fucking hate having to press ww lmfao

[restive peak]

xD

FDK plays kinda cool, where they have 2 ST/low target and 2 purely AOE buttons that are effectively direct replacements for eachother

[lilac kite]

so i drop the left three bloodthirst talents for odyns?

[restive peak]

I'm kinda wondering if any rework we get may take us a similar direction

[young swan]

just hoping we get one and it actually takes us in A direction

just any singular direction

[restive peak]

Fr

[olive wraith]

Cshb isn’t worth

[edgy widget]

you can run spear if you want, doesn't really matter

it's just harder to land

[lilac kite]

i put two points into critical thinking thing

[edgy widget]

It’s still around 1% dam, which isn’t too bad for a single point; if you’re gonna take Bloodcraze you might as well

[undone flower]

Link fan of long sword icon

[charred flint]

I had no problems with it back wjen it was every 2gcd but they gave us 2 more and it just feels weird for me xD

[sage ridge]

Is it ever worth overcapping rage to send out more RBs or do you still send Rampage >115 rage

[undone flower]

Cinema

[edgy widget]

Say it with me: fan of longswords during Reck/CS(or Ava)!

Would make slayer actually goated

[junior gale]

id take nerfs for that

[quick dock]

Only do that after bladestorm.

[proven stream]

Critcake was just overcap city and only using rampage for enrage

(During aoe)

[edgy widget]

that's something I've been experimenting with

its TBD atm

just play

[outer umbra]

With the reap the storm changes would slayer be the play over thane on araz or soul hunters or nah

[woven valley]

I want it back so bad

[undone flower]

Ironic it has reap the storm icon

[woven valley]

More spin

Moar!

[undone flower]

But tbf, I don’t personally like it when I read it (I didn’t play back then)

[junior gale]

Feelycraft wise it certainly feels like the right thing in mass aoe

[bitter palm]

peak gameplay

having it always would be boring

or fan of longswords as of capstone

[thick fossil]

That was one of my favorite Torghast powers.

[bitter palm]

after casting of u get it

[undone flower]

Yes that’s the part I’m not buying, boring if always

[quiet breach]

yo

[bitter palm]

ye it should be during cds thing

[quiet breach]

is havok a funnel/prio spec or overall spec

[bitter palm]

no clue atp they are like assa i think

they say theyre funnel but do infintie aoe at the samw time

[quiet breach]

what about ret pally

[undone flower]

That’s my imaginary RA talent what a coincidence

[bitter palm]

ret is the worst design possible

u choose between st spender and aoe spender

[undone flower]

Im not against builders>spenders gameplay

[calm snow]

anyone played slayer in M+ with the stealth buff? Fun as hell now

[bitter palm]

phys comp gonna go crazy now

[restive peak]

We are having fun

[undone flower]

Melee comp would have been insane if dungeon pool was not weird with not having 2 ranges (I feel it weird with 3 melees)

[lavish sierra]

How big is the change? We running OF now?

God help me I wanna get home to try it

Rub my ret paladin friend's face in the glory

[calm snow]

It's so fun, every raging blow is a reap after you bladestorm, so you're just spinning the entire time

[lavish sierra]

Aaaaaaaa

[calm snow]

and personally i much prefer bladestorm to ravager so.... fun to be using that again

and not getting procs on thane felt bad as fuck

bosses like big mama are funny, just breakdancing the entire time with reap procs

[undone flower]

I think I will give up my slayer araz dream

[lilac kite]

i did terrible dps on dim just now wtf

[junior gale]

slayer is just better for Araz tho

[undone flower]

Im not progging it anymore, it was alright for prog yes

But I have to swap to the first echo, play spear etc

[junior gale]

playing spear is nothing for slayer lmao

[vocal igloo]

does cleaved rampage has a chance to trigger unbridled ferocity recklessness? or is it a per cast type thing

[junior gale]

TR is dogshit barely lose anything

[junior gale]

per cast

[undone flower]

Yes but I will just parse easy on the reclear at least once

As thane

The echo swap is rough for parses I feel

[hushed mesa]

the change is online or

[undone flower]

It is, I did over 8m in a gambit I was Happy

[hushed mesa]

great

[edgy widget]

na it wouldn't make a good class/spec talent

like Titanic Rage, it'd be a pretty weak talent and being in the class/spec tree means it has opportunity cost against other talents

but as a hero talent, there is no opportunity cost - they're balanced as a whole

[undone flower]

Or a tier set

[hushed mesa]

anyone got the talent tree?

[lavish sierra]

How different are talents for this spin cycle build

[woven valley]

araz sucks so bad lol

[junior gale]

GL on the high roll soldier I have faith

[woven valley]

just got here on mythic and it feels like the game doesnt want me to play

[undone flower]

I really like araz tbf

[turbid bay]

The slayer change is nuts 10 mil overall and good single targ

[undone flower]

That’s a feeling I got but trying to play is fun for me

[woven valley]

i liked it on heroic but mythic just feels like "MECHANIC THROW GO"

[eager thorn]

yea same, I quite like the pace of the fight

[turbid bay]

Its a pretty tank heavy fight

Outside of that its ok

[next jacinth]

Why cruel strikes for mountain thane now?

[undone flower]

The pace and the multiple damage profiles you have in the fight are really cool

[eager thorn]

ya

soon the weapon will drop surely

[undone flower]

Even when we were progging those 50 pulls I never felt useless as slayer

[prime bane]

sweet

got my hekili updated

manually did it lol

[eager thorn]

i played thane for my first kill but quite enjoyed slayer tonight

dopamine with thane just relies so much on tb reset

not a huge fan

[prime bane]

correct

HOWEVER

[turbid bay]

Thane can feel terrible if unlucky

[prime bane]

when you get like 5 tb resets in a row omg

[turbid bay]

U get that?

[undone flower]

I was echo/boss and pylone killer basically

[prime bane]

i have yes

[turbid bay]

Aint no way

[mossy pelican]

are we thinking thane is still the play on araz?

[turbid bay]

Na

[young swan]

def not

[thick fossil]

I hate playing spear on that fight

[turbid bay]

Slayer

[woven valley]

Yeah my build for araz is weird af

[eager thorn]

i got away with not having to target swap on echo

[inner zinc]

Do you guys think we are in nerf territory?

[turbid bay]

Nope

[undone flower]

Yep I don’t see lot of AoE when the first echo is up

[prime bane]

nah i feel like we are merely on par now

[eager thorn]

idt we really need nerfing tbh

[turbid bay]

We are good but not super op

[prime bane]

frost is still top if they are good

[eager thorn]

m+ it just makes us more competitive with others, and raid the reap dmg is nice but adds are also just exploding anyway

[prime bane]

arcane mages too probably

[turbid bay]

Good spot

[prime bane]

yeah we did normal so normal isn't a place to test it out at cause the adds blow up instantly but i noticed no real big difference

[lusty jungle]

most warriors in higher keys have earned their spot while fotm rerollers are dogs

[woven valley]

Raid lead wanted me to have spear, piercing howl and my rally

Messes up my tree a lot

[turbid bay]

Even on soulbinder once you get reap rolling they are dead

[edgy widget]

Yeah I initially suggsted it as a tier set many moons ago, but seeing how the gameplay has evolved, I think it would be a really good fit for Slayer

[prime bane]

I think they think rally does way more than it does currently

[thick fossil]

njesus... that's a little over kill

[edgy widget]

Thane doesn't need it, since it TCs so much anyway

and it's not super important for Arms either, though it's still a mild damage increase

[woven valley]

Yeah I know I said so but he’s being weird about it till we get the fight down more

[edgy widget]

putting it in the hero tree just makes sense

[eager thorn]

rally is p nice

piercing howls a bit weird but you dont really change anything to take spear

[prime bane]

it is but asking for that on top of everything else is a bit much

[turbid bay]

I mean rally is still fine in raid

[eager thorn]

you should prob be taking rally regardless though

[turbid bay]

Its just m+

Cbf running in m+ anymore

[undone flower]

I wouldn’t be surprised to see as tier first before committing, they will likely add slayer 2p is midnight I doubt they will go crazier with the hero talents slayer gameplay wise

[prime bane]

i take rally only if requested as we have 3 warriors lol

[eager thorn]

ye i dont take rally in m+ but it does feel bad to not have it sometimes