fury

[rocky sequoia]

its not there

[dense elbow]

open raid not party

[sour thorn]

Question since I started as a prot war and crafter wep last week, would specting into the 1 hander trait be similar to have two 2 handed 710 weps ?

[dense elbow]

<-- right click this side one

[rocky sequoia]

im not clicking party

[dense elbow]

Works for me, ya better double check to be safe

[rocky sequoia]

i right click my raid frames, in holy it lets me sort by role

but in shadow it doesnt

[dense elbow]

👍 as long as it works

[undone flower]

you have separate groups

it is combined groups option

[south kayak]

Surely new talents are gonna save fury

[undone flower]

surely roar+spear gameplay will save fury

[south kayak]

"Very gameplay impacting changes to a signature ability to your spec."

Like OF?

[undone flower]

[olive wraith]

What ilvl are your 2h

[hardy shuttle]

The apex talent will be titans grip allows tmog into 1h weapons

[olive wraith]

Tldw did they showcase anything decent for us

[south kayak]

They didn't show anything except for dh

[olive wraith]

Assholes

[south kayak]

They only shared one example of an apex talent

and it happens to be from the new devourer spec

They didn't reveal anything yet

"For the Devourer Demon Hunter, the first point of this node is Collapsing Star always crits, the 2nd and 3rd increases your Void and Cosmic damage and the 4th node gives you scaling on your crit damage."

[olive wraith]

So is 12.0 gonna be spring/summer? was it on their calendar thing

[south kayak]

Btw I think that the new row for hero talents is going to be the hero tier sets

from this season

quote me on this

[olive wraith]

That would be pog

Thane needs tb resets

[rocky sequoia]

i just wanna sort it by role

[south kayak]

Thane would be absolute trash without this set

[undone flower]

it is a combined group option

[south kayak]

I think they know people are going to want to play hero talents with the better versions of them with the tier sets

they're not gonna just disable them and call it a day

it's gonna feel bad to play the hero specs without the tier sets

[olive wraith]

I mean there’s ways to make it still feel good

[rocky sequoia]

how do i disable it? i dont want it sorted by groups at all and idk why only 1 spec makes it do this

[olive wraith]

Instead of a bunch of resets you could stack damage for your next tb for example

[south kayak]

that is true tbh

It's either put the set or something equivalent

in terms of feel/performance

but the set really works tbh

it feels exciting

[rocky sequoia]

wow i feel so dumb

ty

[limber oar]

Thats called a gambling addiction

[olive wraith]

I like that tier sets kinda alter our play style a bit from tier to tier. Having boring ass passive tier sucks

[south kayak]

If you wanna put it that way, sure

procs are intended to alter gameplay a bit and make it more exciting

that's what it is

otherwise you're playing a static spec that never changes

and that's boring

[limber oar]

Oh i agree with you

[olive wraith]

Like last tier was you didn’t really notice the tier

That isn’t fun

[south kayak]

"It is not required to put the extra points into the Apex Talents, but it is strongly encouraged." are you serious

[limber oar]

But you gotta admit everytime yoi tblast your eye go wide praying to see tblast light up again

[south kayak]

how is this not required

[olive wraith]

That was kinda my issue with s2 Df too. It didn’t really change the rotation much

[limber oar]

Meaning theyre not forcing you to

[south kayak]

I mean it's probably gonna be "forced" in terms of dps lol

[limber oar]

Blizzard balance means the apex talents for some specs potentially could suck

[south kayak]

you're gonna want to pick those

[limber oar]

Or you could try to cook up some off meta magic

Like loboz

[olive wraith]

You’re also not currently forced to go above the middle row talents but you kinda have to

[willow cradle]

Did y'all hear about Jastors not proccing as much?

[olive wraith]

Ya

[oak raven]

trying again! for MT what do we use? Roar or Spear (what is the best choice?)

[willow cradle]

It's fucked lol

[olive wraith]

Both aren’t that great. Spear is technically ahead

[limber oar]

My jastor only had 34% uptime on the loomy kill i was smoked

[olive wraith]

Play either or

[oak raven]

guess i will stay with roar - seems easier to control than spear

[olive wraith]

Yup that’s a common practice too

[winter shoal]

spear only ahead on aoe btw

[rotund ginkgo]

my tip touching the 8mil

eta gg

16mil on sigar pull

hoa14

[winter shoal]

but it's like +/- 0.5% either way

[olive wraith]

Ye shoulda clarified I just assume thane=keys

[radiant plank]

Dimensius 大吞噬者 big as Stormwind 比暴風城大 dangerous 危險 gravity spin 重力旋轉 friends fly sky 朋友飛天 blob 黏液快殺 black hole 黑洞不要碰 supernova 超新星爆 everyone fly 全部飛 xalatath help 薩拉塔斯幫忙

[winter shoal]

Well like 1/3 of your time in keys is spent in single target anyways

[rotund ginkgo]

I KNOW ITS JUST A 14

but lemme smash

👅

[stiff barn]

does someone have the execute macro for 2p?

[rotund ginkgo]

macro?

u mean weakaura?

its on wowhead

[stiff barn]

yeah my bad , wa

ty

[rotund ginkgo]

https://wago.io/r8u4tHLRQ @stiff barn

pretty sure its this one

[stiff barn]

much appreciated

[quiet breach]

killed HC dimensius last night I thought all the melee complainers were exaggerating but holy fuck this fight is horrible on melee

[edgy widget]

We have a #1237307732705415228 channel and they’re linked in the guides

[olive wraith]

Please Blizz give slightly bigger hit boxes to Dimensius and loom

Charging and not being able to melee should be a crime

[earnest canyon]

make dimensius hotbox larger than the map

[winter shoal]

Dimmy only needs a larger hitbox during certain abilities

[limber oar]

Soak pls god

[frank dawn]

he can parry too

zero blizzard play testers are melee, confirmed

[shut cedar]

Hey question guys. My crafted weapon is higher ilvl then my other weapon. Do I still want it on my offhand?

[quiet breach]

if u have the mass exodus orb thingy and u rescue your teammate, you get to pick the safe spot after right?

[shut cedar]

IDK does it matter even?

[frank dawn]

highest ilvl in main hand, always

[shut cedar]

ty

[quiet breach]

If I don't get myth wep, trinket, or myth tier legs next vault I'm crashing out

[warm crag]

most reasonable loot expectations

[shut cedar]

Wasnt sure if it was like classic where when dual weilding there was a reason to have certain weapons in each hand

[quiet breach]

lmaoooo nah it's just gonna be exceptionally annoying if I have to take a cata piece again cuz then I'll be behind 2 weeks on cata

since this incoming cata I'm using on my myth shoulders I can't wear yet

[warm crag]

2 weeks behind on what

[quiet breach]

unless I get myth legs

[warm crag]

we all used our catalysts too

[quiet breach]

if I have to take another piece I need to catalyze to use I won't be able to catalyze for 2 weeks

unless I get hero legs from raid which is unlikely

hero tier legs

tbh hero tier legs from vault wouldn't be the worst thing

either

or hero astral antenna

is screams only good in ST yall?

[undone flower]

Yes… like everyone who took a tier slot item in current week current week vault

[olive wraith]

I pray for mythic weapon/trink

[undone flower]

My big win is either wep or tier shoulder

[limber oar]

4 set this week was way more imoortant than greeding for myth catalyzes

Imho

I catalyed a hero chest even tho i know ill be catalyzing the mythic one from plexus sentinel eventually just to make sure i had 4set for this weeks mythic prog

And im on 691 8/8 vet gloves

[fathom wolf]

4 piece changed my life. Went from jank parses to 98s and 99s in one week.

[lean heart]

ours is gonna be some nonsense like "odyns fury bleed's ticks faster""

[lapis shadow]

Thunderous roar increased by 5 yds

[lean heart]

[covert coyote]

middle 2 gonna increase target cap of WW by 1 each

last point if a WW stack gets consumed but hits 1 target it hits it for half the dam the WW woulda cleaved

[sand crest]

apex talent gonna buff smf

watch

[lean heart]

[sand crest]

its happening

[covert coyote]

lmao final apex lets us mog 1HErs

[sand crest]

combo'd with free tmog

insane

[placid crane]

+10 Floodgate 697 ilvl

[fast mural]

are you not hyped for more passive crit nodes we get to take ?

[lean heart]

true true

[hollow glen]

Skull splitter now useable as fury.

[covert coyote]

I'd actually love a 2 charges of SR node

[lean heart]

i will split my own skull fr

[narrow onyx]

See I like the idea in theory

[sterile stratus]

Apex talent gives us rend and deep wounds

[narrow onyx]

because it IN THEORY pushes Blizzard towards a singular consistent design for the spec

like it's not a grab bag of random shit talents, it's a singular talent that is the core of your spec and then 30 odd points that serve it

Again. IN THEORY

[indigo quarry]

what theory

[vagrant peak]

a question for the fury guys

would u take soft cap for a -20% dmg on the cleave

[indigo quarry]

Apex talent sound like something really at the bottom

[young swan]

im in the cautiously optimistic phase

[indigo quarry]

that you just level up

[chilly fractal]

Mountain Thane is missing Blood and Thunder imho

[bitter palm]

they said they want warriors to feel as cool as devourer dh

[chilly fractal]

Prot gets it

WHY NOT US

[bitter palm]

cinema if real

if they actually do it (they wont)

well tbh fury plays well atm

[indigo quarry]

"cool"

[bitter palm]

i dont think fury needs big changes to be good

shift more power into bt

[vagrant peak]

soft cap

[bitter palm]

shift more power into cooldowns

[vagrant peak]

soft cap is holding us down

[bitter palm]

so u want to gap everyone on st and on aoe

[vagrant peak]

nah

[bitter palm]

and have cleave

and burst cds

[vagrant peak]

just give us the soft cap and bring us in line

reduce what u have to to make it work

its depressing being w/e if u have 7 or 20 targets around you

(slayer) mostly blast still keeps us up there

and that is only bcz of the 4 set

the moment we lose this 4 set we are back to trash

[bitter palm]

surely they

[indigo quarry]

Odyn's Fury was too good

so you have to suffer now

[bitter palm]

put it into the hero talent

[undone flower]

surely they know when we lose our tier set, we lose our tier set

[tender sky]

Cautiously optimistic that it will lock in whether BT or RB will take prio
Maybe they just split reckless abandon in half lmao

[bitter palm]

both slayer 2p into slayer and thane 4p into thane

[young swan]

thats why im cautiously optimistic

cause theres a lot of stuff they can do thats shitty or bad or uninspired

[bitter palm]

please blizzard figure out ra already

[vagrant peak]

idk i just know i went from 4.5 mil overall to 7.5 with the 4 set changes

and can we all agree that we warriors (fury) actually want to press execute

[young swan]

if they made RA an apex node instead of a choice node with AM I could get behind it

[bitter palm]

i just dont see how ra can even come close to am as slayer

[vagrant peak]

like holy shit its THE warrior abilety

make it relavent

[bitter palm]

even if it was like old ra

[tender sky]

Fury getting a hit combo like design so it moves beyond just what spell is prio would be a dream

[bitter palm]

make RA work with execute

buffs execute

[vagrant peak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hMqvb8QiUk

the ogs know this

[undone flower]

make RA breath of sindragosa with rage builders

[bitter palm]

this video

[sterile stratus]

Oh yea

[bitter palm]

ruined this class

forever

[young swan]

disastrous video

[sterile stratus]

Unironically

[vagrant peak]

GOATED vid

[bitter palm]

imagine 99 stack jugg now

4 mil sim

[young swan]

irreparably damaged the class

[bitter palm]

cause last boss execute lasts 4 minutes

and u get to stack to 60 stacks

[sterile stratus]

Execute has never been the same

[bitter palm]

and u are top damage

[vagrant peak]

but that was only a thing bcz of the trinket/lego combo

it was not strong otherwise

[undone flower]

dream route : jug 99 apex node and current 2p new hero talent

[bitter palm]

its awful design

cause u are tuned around having high jugg stacks

so if u cant get them u are uselss

[edgy widget]

and completely worthless on any fight that has a phase transition or isn't 5+m long

great fantasy

[bitter palm]

and we can see that with arms now and its only 15 compared to 99

[undone flower]

yes i know, that's why it is a dream

[edgy widget]

its a bad dream

quit drinking and go to rehab

[sullen dove]

s3 df the apex node for ra

[vagrant peak]

i can smell a warrior rework with midnight

[tender sky]

If we’re dreaming I want some sort of push-pull system where you dynamically shift prioing BT or RB

Alternating reckless abandon kinda thing, or randomly

[sullen dove]

bro wants balance druid eclipses for which way you swing a sword

[sterile stratus]

I predict arms. Maybe not fury

[edgy widget]

they tried that with the S2 tier set bonus and we just kinda ignored it

[sullen dove]

think any situation where you would swap to "prioing bt" in any meaningful way would have to be annihilator adjacent where they like remove your ability to hit rb or like halve the cd of bt

[tender sky]

Yeah but when the alternative is just always hitting BT on cd or spamming rb beggars can’t be choosers

[sullen dove]

then itd have to actually be more useful than rb

[slim pollen]

I realized just now, after years, that I've been reading Archis name wrong.
It's been "Archimitros" in my brain this whole time ._.

[sullen dove]

but like 3-4sec cd ur never hitting it without a couple extra rb's in the middle already anyway

[sterile stratus]

Make slam great again

[vagrant peak]

both

as far as i know

[sullen dove]

oh nawl slam

[edgy widget]

As much as I wasn't a fan of Slayer RB spam, I can't say I'm unhappy with the way Slayer and Thane gameplay have differentiated each other - it's actually quite nice that they both have slightly differing rotations

Working BT back into Slayer in a way that doesn't push out RB instead is tricky. TBH though, I'm not sure if it's even strictly needed, since BT is already prioritized in multitarget.

• I think my favorite solution is just finding a way to make Onslaught a useful ST ability again. That would help break up the RB spam a little bit, without overtaking the button entirely

[sterile stratus]

I do think onslaught in its current state is bizarre

[vagrant peak]

can we all agree that DR needs a buff

[edgy widget]

its just been power crept more than anything

[vagrant peak]

its shit that i have a 45sec cd not worht pressing unless in multi target situation

[edgy widget]

I mean, in fairness it is primarily a multitarget ability

[vagrant peak]

so is eyebeam 😄

idk i just go of the feel i played

i know nothing about the balancing

just go of the feels

[edgy widget]

but again, it's just power creeping - Blizz purposefully put a lot more power into the rotational abilities because people didn't like that Fury had no ST or sustained damage

[still raft]

just sitting here waiting for raid night on saturday to pray for 4set thane so I can actually aoe in m+ be like

https://tenor.com/view/kingpin-kingpin-clicking-pen-clicking-pen-spider-verse-into-the-spider-verse-gif-5180708998338482135

[edgy widget]

and as a result... Fury ST and sustain have actually gotten pretty decent now

[sullen dove]

now its only sustained damage

[spring apex]

Guys how do u get nowadays the legion artifact helyos gaze for fury?

[sullen dove]

oh boy i sure do like making use of these 12 second vulnerability windows on a lot of bosses

sure hope we have powerful burst cds to use during them

[still raft]

thats the neat part

you won't

[edgy widget]

I mean you weren't benefitting from those before anyway, so get over it lol

[sullen dove]

(1 bladestorm)

[spring apex]

Phainon as a fury warrior hahaha fits perfectly

[sullen dove]

ur def benefitting from them with s3 df lol best set game ever made

[edgy widget]

Lol no you weren't; OF is as strong now as it was then

[sullen dove]

who cares bout of its the giga bb's

1000% dmg

[edgy widget]

which in 12s you use like 3 of them after doing all your other stuff

[sullen dove]

could use 6 but yea i mean even those 3 is better than anything we can do now

[edgy widget]

Warriors have never been good at capitalizing on super short bursts of dam like that

[junior gale]

I think execute works enough to break up the spam but yeah onslaught needs to come back

[edgy widget]

and that's unlikely to change

[sterile stratus]

I prefer it this way to doing fuck all outside of cds

[edgy widget]

Sort of, but I meant more than it's basically down to a 3 button rotation now - RB, Exe, & Rampage

• Onslaught would help give you a little interjection without adding a fourth "constant" button to the main rotation

[sullen dove]

[edgy widget]

w/ haste, Onslaught usually gets down to a 10-11s CD or so, which is frequent enough to feel like it's part of the rotation, but not so constant that you're not able to press your RBs

That's the problem in multitarget right now - soon as you start working in BT on cooldown, while also keeping up with Rampage, WW, and Execute, you don't really have room for RB anymore

[dry aspen]

is there anything to spell reflect on soulbinders?

[edgy widget]

no, just use it for DR

[junior gale]

I also like how fury turned out this season with thane and Slayer each focusing on a different button turning the other one into a filler

It's what hero talents should be

[dry aspen]

OMFG it gives DR?! That's what I get for not reading my abilities lol

[edgy widget]

I agree 100%, it's been a core part of my feedback since TWW Alpha

[still raft]

Honestly I'm REALLY happy with the way they did sets in general this tier

its how it should have been done all expansion

[edgy widget]

yeah its one of the best drs in the game, lol

[sterile stratus]

I'd laugh but I forgot that enraged regen gave dr once upon a time

[still raft]

spell reflect has saved my ASS more than any other ability lmao

[vapid tiger]

such a short CD too

[edgy widget]

yall laugh, but Defensive Stance is still probably the single best DR ability in the game and nobody uses it

[still raft]

bless up to the person who makes the spell reflect essentials weak aura

makes m+ so fun

[edgy widget]

Torkal goat

[junior gale]

Arms could use a lil more work on this. It's close but not as satisfying as fury.

[still raft]

genuinely thats the ONLY thing I will truly miss if blizzard gets rid of weakaura

[edgy widget]

It's more difficult for Arms, since so much of its idenity is wrapped up in Mortal Strike

[still raft]

I can literally make do with losing any weakaura but that one

[edgy widget]

but I do think that Slayer and Colossus have started to feel a little more distinct this season, especially in multitarget

[frank dawn]

The tier bonuses help the hero trees feel more distinct. Wouldn’t be sad to see the idea continue for a bit

[edgy widget]

the fact that we finally have Colossus building into Battlelord is something I've been aiming for the last couple seasons, and I actually really like the newfound Bleed focus

[junior gale]

Yeah only diff between the two besides demolish new button of course really is the inclusion of SD and I guess SKS but that button is already forgettable and hated

[gloomy sequoia]

so is double oathsworn better than double depths? my sims arent showing me what the difference is between them

[tender sky]

but my parses 🤡

[lean heart]

yup this where im at

[edgy widget]

Well Slayer obviously focuses on Execute, which it uses a lot more now (Jugg is still a problem, but that won't change until Jugg does), it also cares about OP a little more

Both use Mortal Strike, but Colossus uses it a lot more thanks to Battlelord, and the inclusion of SkS breaks things up a little bit

[vapid tiger]

sims are the only one who can answer that but mine said oathsworn as well

[edgy widget]

try oath + skyriders

[tender sky]

i completely forgot about onslaught but a mid cd spell would be neat

[edgy widget]

can't parse if you're dead 🛡️

[tender sky]

im meming stance dancing as a dps feels so good, especially as someone who played druid and had to prebear things and literally do nothing for the same kind of bonus

[vapid tiger]

Is that during the soaks?

[edgy widget]

I wish it were only a 2s lock instead of 3, but it actually is hella useful in some situations

[edgy widget]

pushback

[vapid tiger]

ah ok

[edgy widget]

the frontal doesn't do much dam, but the push/rings combo can be incredibly deadly, especially if you ever have to step into a puddle

[bitter palm]

maybe remove sks from spec tree and put it into colo and make it aoe?

[vapid tiger]

Feels like i'm constantly in the puddle to hit the boss, is that a tank thing or just how the fight goes?

[limber oar]

On loomy prog yday my soak buddy got their stacks reset so i had to tank the beam myself and dstance let me become god

[bitter palm]

and merge rend into dw

[edgy widget]

Eh, idk; it doesn't really hurt being in the spec tree any more than Battlelord (Colossus) and Juggernaut (Slayer) do

[limber oar]

Enraged regen + bladestorm too is infinite healing

[bitter palm]

i dont see the point of rend anymore

[edgy widget]

combo of DS & SR can live a lot

[limber oar]

Ya

[bitter palm]

ye also true. i wish sks was aoe for colo tho ngl

[limber oar]

Its super important to have ethical stance usage on early prog

Bosses will fall over if you just live

[edgy widget]

I think Col has so much AoE focus already w/ Cleave and Demo, I kinda like that they have a prio target button

not everything needs to do everything

[frozen portal]

Can someone give me the ELI5 why I’m pretty much never hitting bloodthirsty anymore even when it’s 110% crit

[edgy widget]

RB does more than a BT crit

[tame gorge]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/cha

Logs have taken an orange parse purple and a purple parse blue. I hate it here, but what can I do better?

[uneven schooner]

search Raging blow and see how many talents light up

in the talent calc

[frozen portal]

Fair enough

The stacking rampage buff plays into it too I assume

[quiet geyser]

So, DF s2 but with bladestorm 😅

[frozen portal]

Just always gonna do more dmg with those two abilities or a sudden death?

[limber oar]

Everything does

[tender sky]

if this were a talent id feel pressured to take it

or like a short buff that reduces the damage reduction

[tame gorge]

Hate it here, referring to the parse situation. I love skyhold

[winter shoal]

would help if you actually linked to the logs

also #1347646810457636974

also wowanalyzer dot com

also probably early gear diff

I got spooned gear week 1 so I basically slept my way to 99s week 2 bc the logs were being compared to w1 logs

[tame gorge]

Is wow analyzer a quick diagnostic I can check real quick?

[winter shoal]

Yes

It'll point out low-hanging-fruit of things you're probably doing incorrectly

[inner whale]

Hi fellow warriors, do you know how (or where I could find video/guide/article) about sim my char for M+? I do not raid this season and I feel like sim slayer ST or slayer with WW would be terrible as we actually play thane in M+?

[limber oar]

Typically rage usage, uptime, sitting on cds

[tame gorge]

I’ll try there first and then post a thread update if I need more. Thank you!

[winter shoal]

1 target 5 mins and 5 target 5 mins, then use your brain to determine how much you value either one

[limber oar]

Good work on wowanalyzer btw mr bowwl

I used it in s1 when i started playing was a good starting point at getting better

[winter shoal]

🫡

It's not perfect bc it can't really ever be with the nature of logs, but glad it's at least helpful

[inner whale]

thanks, happy zugzug!

[tame gorge]

When it says I wasted using rampage, is it factoring when we use RB instead tk build slaughtering strikes?

https://wowanalyzer.com/report/XpAt49vF8k1Dz2cN/28-Heroic+Fractillus+-+Kill+(5:05)/Bigzo/standard/overview

[winter shoal]

Depends on what you mean by factoring that in

It doesn't flag those RB casts as incorrect if that's what you mean

You should only do that after bladestorming though, not before every rampage

[tame gorge]

I get you. So it’s saying I used something other than RB instead of rampage

Good to know. Easy adjustment then

[winter shoal]

It's saying that you used a rage-generating ability (other than execute, because that's checked separately) when you were already >= 115 rage

That's very common during reck + lust because your rage generation is so quick, you're likely to go from like 85 to 120 within a single gcd

[narrow zodiac]

Someone knows a proper rotation video for fury?

[tame gorge]

Sure, but would the lust wibdkw accoubt for 16 instances of that? I’m not sure

[winter shoal]

If you go to the timeline view it will tell you which casts it's flagging 🙂

[hardy vault]

what is this website ?

[winter shoal]

#fury message

[hardy vault]

thanks !

[coarse nest]

@tepid cedar one more 14 to go HoA >:)

[tepid cedar]

He myhell yea bro

Get ittttt

[still raft]

ngl seeing that class tree gets 3 more points but no new things in midnight my first thought was "oh boy I can finally spec into reduced shockwave cooldown!"

[olive wraith]

Spear AND roar

[still raft]

[worn rain]

Apex Roar

for more additional bleed damage

[olive wraith]

Yay buff fury’s 3% overall bleeds

[cobalt relic]

server having issues?

[worn rain]

seems fine on EU

[cobalt relic]

im on EU

wtf?

[worn rain]

logged in 15 sec ago

[warm crag]

stuck in an infinite loading screen

something is fucked

[worn rain]

there was update

[lapis shadow]

Is wowanalyzer updated?

[still raft]

wowanalyzer gets updated?

[cobalt relic]

I updated

still aint work

@warm crag

got same issue?

[warm crag]

i have closed the game

[winter shoal]

Yes, you would see a very large modal like this if it wasn't

[winter shoal]

You can also check the support config in the "About" section

[earnest canyon]

Who actually made the WoW Analyzer tool and the api etc?

[winter shoal]

I know the main guy works for WCL

[earnest canyon]

ah ok

[winter shoal]

I assume it started as a side project of WCL like wipefest is

But it's open source so spec maintainence stuff is all done by volunteer contributors, main guy still does larger feature enhancement stuff

[rare fjord]

worlds shittiest eyetest

[chilly fractal]

Was fun to do during 0 week for sure

And peak content watching people fail

[lapis shadow]

Thank you, not on my PC until Sunday so had to ask

[tepid cedar]

@coarse nest about to do this 16 fg, let me steal some of your luck blessings

may u bless me with mutiple tb resets

[coarse nest]

blessed

will time the key

amen

[tepid cedar]

lolz

i legit dont understand how one of our BIG spells does this amount of damage in an entire dungeon

[coarse nest]

blizz got jokes thats why

[chilly fractal]

Capstones LOL

[sullen dove]

bro called ravager big

[signal falcon]

The only time I liked Ravager was as Arms in Legion, because the way the numbers spiraled on screen with 100% crit was cool

It’s been beans ever since

[chilly fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/greens-beans-tomato-potato-lamb-gif-7242544

[chrome wraith]

Arms is blasting

We might be cooked boys

[olive wraith]

How many bt did it cast though

[olive wraith]

Lean into fury prio damage. We still good

[vague fern]

ive just come back to this season.. im trying to find the item to get the map for the delve boss like we had last season. whats it called and how do i get it?

[frank dawn]

shrieking quartz, can buy from murloc bro at delve place

[vague fern]

ty ty. turns out ive had one in my bags for awhile xD can only do once a week still right?

[frank dawn]

correct, and you have to be delve journey rank...2? for the maps to drop

if you use the item without being the right rank you won't get a map, I think

[vague fern]

and me using it on T8 is no different to T11 ?

ignroe me. it literally says on there that it drops same gear 😛

[frank dawn]

you get better crests at higher levels with the map

but for gear, no difference

[vague fern]

ahh okay okay, what lvl for gilded? i tried to find a sheet with this info but no luck

[frank dawn]

has to be tier 11 for gilded

[chilly fractal]

And has to be bountiful limit 3 per week

Unless that changed this season

I don’t think it did

[sterile stratus]

nah its the same

[frank dawn]

nah still 3

but you can use the map in any tier 11, it's a separate reward

so you can get 31 gilded a week from T11 delves + T11 Map

obviously it's more efficient to use it in one of the T11s you're already doing for crests

[sterile stratus]

TFW the excel spreadsheet roasts you

[tidal beacon]

is it still thane for keys?

[winter shoal]

If you have 4p, thane is a good option

Slayer can also be a good option depending on your group comp and the dungeon/route

Thane will do more aoe, slayer will do more prio and boss dam

[tidal beacon]

with 2 piece which should i run

[frank dawn]

Def Slayer if only 2pc

[winter shoal]

Slayer, there's a build here #1273899855852339200 message

for 2p2p in m+

[chilly fractal]

Like 98% of the gain Mountain Thane gets is from having 4p

[winter shoal]

It's not THAT much but yeah it's most of their gain, 2p is like 3% and 4p is like 20% from the set bonuses

Slayer is like 11%/19%

Those numbers being relative to s2 4p

[young swan]

echo on a burner

[winter shoal]

echo can burn dn

[open wigeon]

Keep your feet on the ground or Steadfast as the Peaks?

[winter shoal]

whichever is the DR after using TB

with 4p

[open wigeon]

Big life pool tho

[olive wraith]

You getting one shot often?

[chilly fractal]

Keep your feet on the ground is better

But I do like steadfast

We are reaching insane levels of HP

[hexed kiln]

it procs thunderblast

and its small

[serene kraken]

is arms better than fury now on m+

[hexed kiln]

it feels good to use so whats the problem

[open wigeon]

I once had more HP than brew tank in my key

[open depot]

Am I right in assuming we need a total of 4 sparks of starlight to craft duelwielding 2hs?

[wise glacier]

Yes

[open depot]

dang

[fresh mango]

u should have it already

[open depot]

?? I have 2

[olive wraith]

No

[fresh mango]

well sorry 2 full sparks

[olive wraith]

We have 2 sparks total this week

[open depot]

right, so only 1/2 way there. /sigh

[edgy widget]

you need 4 halves which is 2 total

[olive wraith]

At least you can upgrade hero track weapon to max ilvl

[edgy widget]

oh wait, dual wield

don't craft two weapons unless you literally never plan to do any mid-high level M+

[open depot]

why not?

[edgy widget]

because Myth track weapons go to 723, while crafted cap at 720

[open depot]

i dont have access to mythic raiding

[edgy widget]

you have access to M+ though

[calm swallow]

Mythic+ is dungeons

[olive wraith]

Do you do +10s

[open depot]

i +10 sometimes, nobody wants fury

[edgy widget]

even if you don't, they will become more and more accessible as the season goes on

[open depot]

you're saying in the vault if im lucky?

[edgy widget]

Fury and Arms are both strong picks right now, so that def aint the case

[calm swallow]

Fury be bangin this season

and by bangin' i mean we STOMPIN'

[olive wraith]

That’s all dps not just fury

[edgy widget]

more a matter of there's just a lot of people queing keys - if you don't wanna sit through the queue, just run your own key

[open depot]

M+ would only drop a mythic weapon in the vault if im lucky, right?

[edgy widget]

yes it's a matter of luck, but you will get one eventually

[olive wraith]

Yes

[edgy widget]

looking at it from another perspective

• using 2 sparks on a second weapon fills one slot
• using 2 sparks on two other slots (e.g. wrist, ring)

so either need to get one "lucky" weapon drop or two "lucky" other drops instead

[open depot]

right, but i figured weaps make the biggest difference for dps

[edgy widget]

not as much when it's in the OH

[open depot]

i see

[edgy widget]

and again, Myth track weapons reach higher ilevels than crafted ones, which is when it becomes important

I mean you can do w/e you want; craft one weapon now and then wait to see if you get a weapon before your 4th spark

then decide if you're sick of running M+ or not

but you do not generally want two crafted weapons

[heavy sparrow]

This tier set is actually fucking massive for fury aoe

[olive wraith]

It sure is

[heavy sparrow]

If only thunder clap was fully uncapped

Would literally solve 90% of fury mass aoe problem

[echo rapids]

The numbers are good but after a few keys I agree that thane is just sort of clunky

Slayer flows so nice

Curious about our apex talent but not holding my breath

Spamming your thunderclap key after your TBs feels kind of bad too

[olive wraith]

I say this almost daily at this point. I’d much rather fulfill our niche better than all others. Wether that’s 5t pulls or solid prio damage

[echo rapids]

The dopamine hit of instant double blast is nice but clumsy

[olive wraith]

I’m still hoping for funnel in some way too

[echo rapids]

I still think funnel as a further division of dps specs is bad for the game

[olive wraith]

If they killed all funnel and just made it back into prio damage that’s fine too

[echo rapids]

In the same way that supports are bad

[olive wraith]

But prio damage feels less impactful when there’s funnel classes

[open wigeon]

Prio damage is underated

[echo rapids]

Funnel is kind of busted as a concept for m+

[olive wraith]

I agree. But when funnel exists prio damage isn’t as good

[glass frigate]

What's the best enchant for our off-hand? Is it also Authority of the Depths?

[olive wraith]

Sim question

[echo rapids]

I don’t want push keys to be tank healer support funnel dps aoe dps, and then on top of that it’s physical vs magic

[olive wraith]

I’m running the vers proc

Atm I don’t mind the separation between magic and phys comps

[spare steppe]

Pure ST is still depths until higher gear level, otherwise it’s sim once it’s cleave/m+/more gear

[olive wraith]

Each brings different specs which I think is good

[echo rapids]

I just don’t like that it trickles down into weekly 10s

[spare steppe]

It always will sard 🙁

[olive wraith]

Ya I don’t think you can change that

[sick hound]

hey guys i come from ranged class and since i play war its like ive a feeling of some input of spells is that possible the spellqueuewindow influct there

[olive wraith]

Can you rephrase

[lament hinge]

how bad is fury this season?

[frank dawn]

its not bad

[olive wraith]

Fury good

[young swan]

its pretty good

[sick hound]

i can't explain it better i've a weird feeling of some input i don't have on my boomi

[olive wraith]

Like lag?

[frank dawn]

if you've got a high ping that does make fury feel real bad, I'm not sure if thats what you're saying

[sick hound]

input

i've 10Go fiber + 3ms

[olive wraith]

Do you have 4p

[sick hound]

just wondering if /console spellqueuewindow 100-400 can play on this

[young swan]

input can get really wacky for fury at high haste levels

like during lust

[sick hound]

i have same feeling on my fury and my frost dk

but not on ranged classes

[young swan]

prob just sqw then

lower it a bit

[sick hound]

like really sometimes i almost wanna press 2x the same spell because the feeling is like its not landing idk

[young swan]

that almost sounds like ur sqw is too low

[echo rapids]

IMO the game just falls apart when things go too fast. I played a lot of elemental last season and lust plus ascendance is pea soup

[sick hound]

im at 200 rn

[olive wraith]

You’re not playing fury right if you’re not pressing your buttons more than the gcd

The way I artificially raise my apm but spamming buttons is unreal

[young swan]

i would recommend just playing around with it a little bit

drop it by 50

increase by 50

see what feels better

[echo rapids]

I have raging blow on mouse wheel down, I shudder to think of all my inputs

[edgy widget]

lmfao

[toxic plank]

A tier

[pure echo]

Man, I really hope they rework warrior class tree. I don’t want to play roar and spear in midnight, esp because spear is a ghost of its former self.

[young swan]

i hope they rework both dps trees

[sullen dove]

hope they remove the useless ass reworked titans torment

[pure echo]

I don’t hate the dps trees, but removing talents never taken/rarely taken and making it so fury can do some aoe cleave damage without 2 full points into whirlwind cleave would be nice. Hate finishing a pure single target boss and being useless on trash when we just zerg raid lmao.

[tender forge]

I hate spear and roar , I don't feel like they fit thematically

[pure echo]

I think roar is ok, but blizz devs can do better.

[tepid cedar]

i heard the new apex talent, turns SMF into full double wielding hands that decrease all damage

[young swan]

agreed

[pure echo]

More like SMFH

[olive wraith]

2 talents for unlocking our aoe talents is not a lot in comparison

[pure echo]

Do you know of other classes that do 0 aoe without points in AOE talents?

DH/pal don’t have this issue. Assume DK doesn’t too.

[olive wraith]

Do you know how many talents other classes swap to be competent in aoe

[pure echo]

I didn’t say competent. Just some

Like they could make WW grant the next 2 abilities to cleave baseline and make meat cleaver the talent for competent aoe

[olive wraith]

Okay ww is baseline

There aoe

[pure echo]

But it doesn’t cleave baseline and does dick for damage.

[olive wraith]

This you

[pure echo]

Whereas other melee specs do ok aoe without being aoe build.

[brittle crow]

we could go back to legion/bfa fury

where we didn't take meat cleaver at all

hehe

[young swan]

idk why u hate the idea of making our class fundamentally better

its very odd

[pure echo]

He’s rage baiter

[olive wraith]

I don’t think meat cleaver is the issue

[spare steppe]

Ok but have you comisdeed suffering

[pure echo]

Not gonna continue responding to this guy lmao

[spare steppe]

Considered

[young swan]

its not the issue but it is an issue, however small

[olive wraith]

Fury loses less for speccing into aoe

[dense elbow]

[young swan]

im not even sure its a problem

[olive wraith]

I don’t mind keeping that

[young swan]

but its a nice QoL change

[olive wraith]

Other talents need changing first imo

[young swan]

having to wait until level 33/35 for cleave is dumb as fuck

[olive wraith]

Ok that’s something I forget about since 99% of play is end game

[young swan]

its equally as bad as rampage

u cant press that button until like level 25 lmfao

[pure echo]

Should be baseline. Meat cleaver being optional and optimal aoe.

[olive wraith]

When did disagreeing become rage baiting btw

[pure echo]

When you provide 0 logical reasoning for your opinion I can only assume troll.

[olive wraith]

Idk. I still think meat cleaver is way down the list of talents that need to be redone

[pure echo]

Any reasonable warrior player would agree with me.

Never said re-do meat cleaver

Re-read my messages.

[olive wraith]

I thought this was pretty self explanatory for my reasoning

Removing it and making it baseline is changing it is it not

[pure echo]

Imp WW should be baseline, meat cleaver left as is.

Never said remove meat cleaver

Read damn you

[olive wraith]

They’re essentially the same thing

[pure echo]

Meat cleaver and imp ww are 2 diff talents hence 2 diff points.

Ok 🤡

[olive wraith]

They do the same thing. One increases the cap

[pure echo]

Ok 🤡

[flint flame]

is it ok for me to sim 5m5t for dungeons? Any recommendations?

[olive wraith]

Ah yes resort to insulting

Good move

[pure echo]

Understandable have a nice day.

[flint flame]

guys please help I have no clue on how to sim as fury

thunderblast is not aoe cap but meat cleaver is so I am a bit lost

[olive wraith]

I mostly just sim st

Since our aoe is basically our st rotation

[flint flame]

I guess that would igve me more prio damage then which I like

Thanks brother

[edgy widget]

and dam, alternative would have just been to make it a 2 point talent

but tbf, enabling full cleave in 2 talents is not at all inefficient

[pure echo]

Yeah nobody’s arguing the efficiency, just that maybe either allow some cleave baseline, and/or add more aoe centric talents so there is a noticeable difference between warrior specced full aoe vs st.

[wraith wharf]

i still think we should have 2 stacks of meatcleaver baseline, having almost no aoe without them feels silly

[edgy widget]

I mean Fury has so much baseline AoE a lot of times (in raid) you don't even need Imp WW/MC

just bladestorm, reap, and roar will carry

[sudden tusk]

roar more like rwar

buff it 40%

[edgy widget]

but these two are opposing ideas

• more cleave baseline means less different between speccing for AoE vs ST
• more aoe talents means more difference (ideally this is where OF should come in, tuning just doesn't support it very well atm)

That said, one of the hallmarks of Fury has always been its high base amount of/easy access to multitarget, which I don't really see much reason to change

[pure echo]

Yeah I guess, just sucks not being useful on trash after a st fight. I think a better solution is remove cast time on swapping talents lmao. Or let people swap even if a spell is on cd.

[chilly fractal]

Watch there be a Fury Apex talent where each point increases cap of enemies you cleave onto

[edgy widget]

press n -> change spec lol

sorry but I honestly don't think that's a real problem

I'll give you the spells on CD thing though, that is annoying

more spells just need to reset on combat end

[pure echo]

Can’t change spec if immediately in combat, or if a spell is on cd. Sometimes we just blast from boss to boss.

[edgy widget]

I mean how fast are you pulling trash right after a boss that you're immediately in combat?

you typically have to at least leave the room

[pure echo]

Depends on boss but yeah I guess that’s where the cooldown thing comes into play.

[storm birch]

Yea I just swap right as boss dies haha

[edgy widget]

also if you're blasting through trash that quickly you do still have Bladestorm, Reap, and Roar

[storm birch]

Or just nuke one of the big adds with your ST

[edgy widget]

again, I don't think this is a real problem - at best it's a minor inconvenience in some situations, but certainly not something that explicitly needs to be redesigned around

[young swan]

im pretty sure the best argument is that we have no way to cleave until level 33

[storm birch]

@edgy widget @young swan how are yall today 🫡😌

[young swan]

pretty alright

playing genshin

[lament imp]

Can anyone tell me who the improvisational cinch in my bag is crit vers, whereas the one on wowhead is haste mast EDIT: Ignore, i cant read

[storm birch]

Niiice. I’m working, boreddddd

[pure echo]

Yeah I guess. Not saying it needs to be redesigned but if they already plan to change things in spec tree that’d be on my wishlist. Same with either removing spear or designing it like it’s SL version where you get CDR on it per target hit. Onslaught just needs removed or reworked entirely.

[edgy widget]

kinda lackadaisical

Onslaught and OF just need minor buffs/tuning

• add 5s Avatar proc to Titanic Rage and OF will be completely fine
• Onslaught's issue is you want it strong enough to be worth in ST, but not better than OF in ST (also vice-versa), so this could be a good place for some kind of "primary target bleeds for X over Y..." type effect

[brittle crow]

does anybody have a spare plane ticket to shibuya laying around

[silent aurora]

the class design blog will be funny to see

[young swan]

i hope they nuke slaughtering strikes

or just massively change it

change tendie to just be brutal finish 2.0

[silent aurora]

hope they change frenzy don't like being stuck to 1 target

[torpid garden]

The faster liquid kills Doug dimmy the sooner the buffs/ nerfs can go out.

[olive wraith]

No exactly. It more or less behaves like a 2 point node. And I think using 2 talents to unlock our full aoe is very good

Well kinda. The other aoe talents are in a weird place

[misty ridge]

New to fury and vastly prefer bladestorm to ravager, planning to swap to Mountain Thane (just hit 2pc) but I assume ravager is much better?

[young swan]

i just wouldnt swap to thane

if ur only at 2pc

but yeah ravager is the only "real" choice for thane

[misty ridge]

Ah ok. Guess I'll get used to it when i hit 4pc thanks

[olive wraith]

And also. Slayer is definitely playable in keys

[young swan]

yeah definitely is

noticeably less overall

but still good dam

[storm birch]

It’s my first day of work for the weekend so I’m feeling motivated but give it till Sunday night I’ll be right there with ya

[olive wraith]

Where’s the videos at man. I need stuff to watch with my morning coffee

[storm birch]

I’m working on some stuff but I haven’t had anytime to do my editing really sad we didn’t kill loomy last night but I got some mythic kills and m+ runs to do . Other things in the works. Hope the coffee has been extra good to compensate for my slowness

[warm crag]

opinion on reproducably being able to crash your graphics drivers by opening and closing the appearance tab in dornogal

[young swan]

yeah thats something

[limber oar]

hm loomy pulls yall do

[bitter palm]

world of warcraft

[warm crag]

plumber fixes this

[young swan]

i think i got that

[warm crag]

(it doesnt it just limits the amount of items that load in appearances)

[young swan]

lmfao

[warm crag]

(you need to turn on a setting hidden somewhere)

(it claims to only load 2x4 items this is clearly 2x4)

[storm birch]

Uhhh I think it was pull maybe 12 ish and 8% hp left.

I had 5.17m dps at 701 ilvl I was crying that we didn’t kill

Tickling loomi with my sack of terror

[limber oar]

nice my guild killed it last night in 17 but the first many pulls were washes cause of unethical ranged players not swapping off boss

i was forced to hit tangles very ethically for prog

[quiet breach]

is thane fury the most RNG spec with 4 pc

in the game

[smoky vale]

enh is cringe

[bitter palm]

i think its enha

[storm birch]

Yea we actually do well enough that I was able to full focus boss so that’s good. Our issue was literally the same people standing in circles pull after pull. In the first like 10 seconds I was in awe of how it happened so many times

[bitter palm]

the variance is funny

[edgy widget]

I was working towards some giant parses, but had to swap to help tangles cause our ranged can't focus

[limber oar]

bro

no flame but my warlock

[edgy widget]

didn't do badly, like 5.2, but shoulda been a lot higher

[limber oar]

for the first 10 pulls

[olive wraith]

Rip

[storm birch]

I was swapping at first but I realized if people could game the puddle spawns I could just cleave it with my bladestorm

[limber oar]

had no dmg on tangles basically

[storm birch]

I’m honestly so sad we didn’t kill tho cause it woulda been great morale boost as we were barely top 500 N.A. last tier for gally and what not. We woulda been on a great trajectory

[olive wraith]

No flame but my warlock is bad

[storm birch]

That’s ok though. Still time to pop off

[fast crest]

I started having that issue this patch. not sure if due to addons or something breaking on game side (my guess was void storage cuz they just dumped all my old stuff into bank)

[limber oar]

he was doing some different full ST talents or something idk he was doing fine dmg

[storm birch]

I’m hoping I can get antenna drop. Really want it. I was sending 694 sacbrood and 704 ticking sack of terror

[limber oar]

idk how warlock works

[warm crag]

it started this patch

im trying to get it documented properly

[olive wraith]

Was just funny

[edgy widget]

bruh you ain't gonna GET it

[storm birch]

It dropped in heroic but went to our hunter I cri

[edgy widget]

mhmm

[storm birch]

But looking at bloodmallet I saw it makes sense

[bitter palm]

toxic...

[storm birch]

Maybe I get from fault

Vault*

[limber oar]

ya we didnt get an antenna drop so im hoping the best for you

[storm birch]

Cause we killed Soulbinder so I guess that makes it eligible loot?

[olive wraith]

Oh but hunters are dobby tier remember

[bitter palm]

ye

[storm birch]

🙏🏻

[edgy widget]

yeah ours went to hunter as well

[storm birch]

That’s nice

[limber oar]

i fully dont expect to get it natty

need mythic arcanocore too

[storm birch]

I miss our dimensius kill cause I was at top golf. I’ve been trying to pug it and it’s miserable yall

My dmg is good though so that’s fun. But hoooooly I hate pugging early aotc

[olive wraith]

Yaaa

[limber oar]

OH YA AND the dimmy trinket

that didnt drop either

[olive wraith]

Nexus has been bad too

[storm birch]

Is mythic arcanocore better than heroic screams? On st

I didn’t check

[limber oar]

idk

[fast crest]

we got insanely lucky this week

2 drop off normal and another 2 on heroic

[limber oar]

but id run mythic arcano and heroic screams

[storm birch]

Oh true.

[limber oar]

[storm birch]

My fiance almost got me to drop out of raid yall but I talked her out of it. Live to see another week !

[limber oar]

ur cooked

[storm birch]

Sooooo cooked

🤣 🤣

[limber oar]

my buddy raids after his wife goes to sleep

[fast crest]

small sample size but screams 704 pretty consistently does more damage than 723 arcanocore. Arcanocore has a ton of strength though

[storm birch]

Oh it’d be worse if I didn’t go to sleep with her

It’s just she meal preps all our food for the weekend of work on Thursday nights while I’m raiding. Got overwhelmed. I said bruh lemme just meal preps with you BEFORE raid

Think it’s sorted !!

[limber oar]

i think she thinks of it as the tax for her silly little husband's hobbies

but hes also a high ranking HoF player so he made it work lmfao

[storm birch]

I said if I quit raid ima have to find another hobby like golf and you won’t like it as much if I’m out the house

I think that was the home run!

[limber oar]

we love manipulation!

[storm birch]

Lmaooooo

[limber oar]

thats basically the argument i gave my mom when i was younger about playing video games

[storm birch]

That’s true though! Gotta have some sort of hobby 🤣

[limber oar]

"hey, its not hard drugs. count your blessings"

[storm birch]

Instead of going out she knows right where to find me

[limber oar]

ya

also it makes him happy and she has like

[storm birch]

It’s just my baby is at the whining for no reason stage. So he be winding her up

[limber oar]

15k hours in the Sims so she gets it

[storm birch]

Trueeee. Yea my girl is a gym rat (I kinda am too) so that’s her thing that she gets in return is 2 hours at the gym while I watch the baby

[limber oar]

hey if you make it work thats all the matters

[storm birch]

Fingers crossed !!

[quiet breach]

when she first told you she was pregnant were u immediately mentally preparing to transition into boomer gamer era or were you already scheming to try to stay on top

[limber oar]

i lose hours of sleep every night to keep raiding so 🤷

[wicked flicker]

ok I now realise how fun slayer is in keys

[storm birch]

I could never boomer game. I tried the single player life for 6 months and it was like missing a piece of me. Competition is in my blood

I do like OSRS when I really don’t have any time tho

Been playing Rs since ‘04

Thing that sucks is I still try to be competitive with people who have waaaaaay more time than me

And it annoys me cause I know I’m capable of more but just can’t put the time in haha

So then I push my boundaries and degen game for 8 hours straight and get in trouble

[plush zephyr]

100% seen your girl give you the side eye on stream walking by 😂

I’m married with kids. Gets easier when your kids start gaming lmao

[storm birch]

Yooooo! Y’all keep an eye out for me she gone be schemin on my dumbass

[storm birch]

Yea mine is about 19 months. Cant wait for when that happens ima pass my pc down to him and build another. What I’ve been looking for ever since we found out she was pregnant

He sits on my lap but wants to bang on my keyboard. I’m like bruh you just got my killed… smh

[mystic kayak]

If you have enough enrage, BT is ready and only 1 stack of TB and at 130 fury what button are we hitting

[storm birch]

Is TB ready?

[hollow leaf]

My jastor outsims my highest simming 704 ring from droptimizer

[young swan]

yeah but its bugged in game

and allegedly oversimming?

[hollow leaf]

Yeah but that just requires re-equipping it

[young swan]

apparently thats not consistent

u also just get more stam with a new ring

[hollow leaf]

I'm benched on every boss anyways 🫠

[mystic kayak]

Yes

We can say TB is off CD

[hollow leaf]

I'm hitting TB

[mystic kayak]

even though it's only at 1 stack and you wont overcap?

[hollow leaf]

I just press buttons

TB go brr

[warm crag]

should just be tb > bt > ramp > idk

[mystic kayak]

That is a 10 streets

For me

[hollow leaf]

If you wanna see the actual right choice you can look at the APL

[mystic kayak]

There are times where like

i'm at 130 fury but then I get the uh

[real pond]

Mine is also outsimming my 704 gambit ring, by like 60k dps as well

[mystic kayak]

I don't remember the proc name

THe one where you can BT like 3 GCDS in a row before a CD

and i literally, at 130 fury, just BT BT BT

Even with 2 stack of TB

[warm crag]

hmm i wonder why my sim isnt working

[mystic kayak]

Not sure of that is right or not

[warm crag]

you bt to proc tb it seems a bit backwards to keep pressing bt there

[mystic kayak]

Okay I see

So even if i'm at 1 stack of TB

If BT and TB are off CD at same time

TB > BT just to get it on CD?

cause i think my TB damage is a little low compared to my BT damage maybe

so my overall is too low

[olive wraith]

As long as you’re enraged

[mystic kayak]

Hm

Okay

[warm crag]

apl seems to not want to waste rage

[mystic kayak]

hm

that apl seems to say thunder blast if enraged is def above rampage

but below BT

no matter what

[warm crag]

tb is not below bt

[limber oar]

@storm birch quick lil 1 n done after work

[mystic kayak]

thats not what i meant to say sorry

[limber oar]

god bless i didnt wanna grind this hard

[warm crag]

i think this apl just tl;drs to whatever is on maxroll

[mystic kayak]

Sac brood seems bad though or am i crazy??

Mine sims like shit

[warm crag]

raid trinkets will sim better in pure st but as soon as some adds are involved you'll want antenna and smth else usually ara kara

[mystic kayak]

i have pacemaker + cursed stone idol

which on the guide i forget where it is

the simhammer or whatever shit

[limber oar]

cursed stone idol feels like shit

[mystic kayak]

says are like the best in aoe

[limber oar]

idk

[mystic kayak]

I mean

I use it while charging

[limber oar]

ok 1

[mystic kayak]

so by the time i get there it's procced as i'm there

[warm crag]

idk i will not interact with idol because i dont care abt m+ and m+ is the only place idol is good in

[limber oar]

how do you even do that

and 2

[mystic kayak]

Idk it just works

[limber oar]

in the middle of a pack how do you manage that

[mystic kayak]

I use it while pulling packs generally

If it's up in the middle i just stop rota and use it

You can reck then charge and while your charge is starting

spam stone idol

and it starts casting

[warm crag]

idk its not that bad its a 1s channel and you can use it immediately after pressing a button no?

like its a half gcd at worst

puzzle box was 2.3s and we managed

[chilly fractal]

I can hear someone raging about puzzle box in the distance

[limber oar]

ah i see for some reason i thought a macro would work

but regardless i cba honestly lmfao

[hollow leaf]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5immY6mu2qYdG6K8bd1821

love this game

[chilly fractal]

so Jastor is simming 10k higher

if you want to replace it replace it

[storm birch]

Let’s gooooooo!!! Mine is still champ!! I’m bouta farm that dungeon!!

[young swan]

yeah idk im just unequipping as soon as i farm another hero track ring

[limber oar]

thane 4set has me scratching my arms and begging for another hit

this must be how gambling addicts feel

i was getting pi'ed that dungone too clearly the priest thought i was good for it

[storm birch]

It feels so good. I was in a 13 priory yesterday and got a 4 reset and was blasting I was on cloud 9

[mystic kayak]

So sacbrood is definitely > cursed stone idol for ST though, yeah?

[limber oar]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-meme-pinocho-pinocchio-bed-levitating-gif-26904368

[coarse nest]

Man some of you guys are animals I haven’t broke 8m yet

7.7m pb so far

[limber oar]

yes

just simmed it

[mystic kayak]

coolio

[warm crag]

simulationcraft was written and raidbots developed to answer this question for you with a fancy and easy to use interface

[mystic kayak]

yeah its just when i simmed it only simmed like literally 3000 damage higher which hardly felt like an upgrade worth chasing

[warm crag]

3k is not smth id bother chasing either

[real pond]

Replacing my jastors with a 704 ring results in a 70k dps loss 😢

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9e8H4KzHnjKZcpxg81i8ma

[warm crag]

7 minute sim suspicious in nature

[coarse nest]

+5k from post’s bag

I’m going to do it I think

[real pond]

Oh yeah I had set it to 7 just for double potion use for a previous sim, shouldn’t change jastor impact too much

[coarse nest]

Get a ring with similar stats

Probably halls ring is the play

In your case

[warm crag]

what if i told you that a 5 minute sim already has 2 potion uses in like half its iterations

i think idk if it actually just chugs a pot on cd

what an ominous use case anyways

[coarse nest]

So just throwing it out there

You do not need to care about the value of double pot use

lol..

[real pond]

In one of my 5m sims it sent the pot at like 3 minutes

[chilly fractal]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rKyV87NfLgx1ftENwabcPp

[real pond]

Yeah I was just testing some stuff with potions lol

It’s still a 60k dps loss with 5m sim

[warm crag]

link?

it forces a prepot it shouldnt be able to pot 3 minutes in

[dense fulcrum]

how u guys are dealing with idol cast in opener? i was trying something like macro cd's >charge ww/thunderclap > idol> rampage > roar bladestorm (with slayer) dunno with thane probably kinda the same? but i feel clunky af sometimes it doesnt go instantly and also uses a gcd that fking cast xD

[real pond]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dtWYqT3pKaQpUMCArLCpJK

3:13

[frank dawn]

Cast time trinkets deserve to be deleted

That is my thought

[modest condor]

the sample just shows one iteration out of 10k

that happened to be one that's shorter than 5 minutes

so it sends pot during execute

[warm crag]

is it not hardcoded to prepot every time tho

[modest condor]

no

it prepots if you can use 2 pots off

otherwise it sends in execute

[warm crag]

powerful

[modest condor]

i dont think that's actually the right way to do it tho since execute phase doesnt do anything for us as slayer

better to just always use it with lust

[warm crag]

i sure love my damage graph that visually changes when the execution phase begins

[coarse nest]

It’s what makes Warrior so good

[warm crag]

10 points if you can point out when the enemy hits 20%

[coarse nest]

[bitter palm]

its when it goes completely flat

[hardy cargo]

It’s that bump right at the start, right?….

[warm crag]

I hope i flatline next

[open depot]

I'm having a hard time figuring out when to use Rampage (I'm Slayer) as it seems to remove my enrage buff. Do you only use it when not enraging? Struggling on when to use it. Thanks!

[edgy widget]

why would it? you're executing the whole time as slayer lol

[edgy widget]

Rampage reapplies Enrage, it does not remove it

you generally press it when you don't have enrage or or capping rage

[open depot]

Enrage is when I get those red marks around my target?

[edgy widget]

there's a whole set of guides in #dps-faq - take a look at the rotation pages

[bitter palm]

flat balls

[edgy widget]

enrage is a buff that increases your damage, those marks are a built in spell alert (which I recommend turning off) - probably for raging blow being available

[open depot]

oh wow, I was WAY off

I see now, enrage only lasts 3 secs and those red marks tell me when to hit rampage again. Thanks!

[regal marten]

Guys, what is ok avg dmg for 2p Warrior on +10?

At the end of dung overall

[young swan]

idol during charge

[regal marten]

Ara kara trinket, other is filler

[young swan]

never have to deal with it

[olive wraith]

Too many variables

[regal marten]

;(

Then what is ok warr dmg

[earnest canyon]

more than 10 but less than 200million

[young swan]

anything under 5m is probably skill issue or things went very wrong

or just really bad gear

[regal marten]

Overall 5m?

[young swan]

yeah

[regal marten]

I still think my rotation is bad then

Isn't it rampage->clap(2)->bloodthirst->clap(1)->ranging blow?