fury

[olive wraith]

Congrats. You found out uhdk is op

[wooden burrow]

but only 50 dps warriors who play with dedicated teams can get close to that title

frost too not just udk

[inland flame]

Title earners is an interesting way to look at class balance but only in the sense of what specs are the absolute strongest, not being a big title class does not mean you are unhealthy by any means

[olive wraith]

How many feral have title

[wooden burrow]

40\

[olive wraith]

And how many boomie

[wooden burrow]

80+

[olive wraith]

So the numbers skew to the spec that’s easier to get title

All of this is just to say fury is gonna be fine

[wooden burrow]

numbers are defined by the meta and what is generally precevied as good by the community yes

[heady grotto]

How’s fury looking for s3?

[brittle crow]

dead

[supple lotus]

Ngl i just want fury to be viable

[summer quail]

looks good

anyone saying otherwise is lying

[olive wraith]

The community will always be biased towards meta classes yes

[heady grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/oof-ooooof-gif-12896777

[supple lotus]

Mountain thane is way more fun then arms in my opinion

[inland flame]

Not a shoo-in title spec, so dead as a doornail, apparently

[heady grotto]

New guild wants me to warrior. Might not be doing warrior lol

[summer quail]

fury good next patch

[inland flame]

I mean if they need a bshout they need a bshout, it's not like its throwing just to play woyer

[wooden burrow]

i think sitting in que for hours and being punished bcuz of "meta" isnt fun

[olive wraith]

This happens to all dps

[heady grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/kill-me-drink-bleach-gif-22890796

[olive wraith]

That’s not a tuning issue

[young swan]

solid

[wooden burrow]

tbh ive gotten 10x the amount of invites when i reroll uhdk the last few weeks of this szn over anything ive seen with fury

[olive wraith]

Is uhdk not the meta

[wooden burrow]

that is my point tho, my fury higher io better gear and not invites uhdk shit io and not optimal gear more invites thats not healthy imo

[inland flame]

The vast majority of dps players play one of the specs that isn't broken in any given season my guy it's just the game

[olive wraith]

I’m not disagreeing. People are biased

Pug groups see meta classes and think that’s the best chance they’ll time the key

Doesn’t matter if fotm Andy is ass at the spec

[wooden burrow]

i totally agree with you on that.

[brittle crow]

then people complain cause they dont time keys even tho they're picking shit gamers

fuck em let em suffer

[olive wraith]

^

[brittle crow]

no sympathy

[olive wraith]

100% that

[brittle crow]

this game is braindead easy when u have people with even half a brain

[olive wraith]

At the end of the day you can’t change community perception

Even in sky hold people whine about being 5 target hard capped next season

Without looking at the bigger picture

[brittle crow]

thats me im people

[left perch]

There’s a bigger picture?

[brittle crow]

fury uncapped aoe when

[wooden burrow]

i think the community seeing fury lost to tanks on big pulls in s2 made this perception a reality

losing*

[olive wraith]

Again. The community is dumb

They take a screenshot and don’t have context

[wooden burrow]

being Tcapped isnt the issue imo bcuz if blizz makes us tcapped at 8 again they would still complain about being capped

[tepid cedar]

no good raid trinkets?

[olive wraith]

I’d wager that’s the communities biggest issue with fury s2

[tepid cedar]

bring old warrior soul back 🙂

[inland flame]

blud wants to do Sylv again

[quiet breach]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=219314/ara-kara-sacbrood is this the version of sacbrood on the PTR just with different numbers?

[olive wraith]

Keep your head up. I have a feeling phys comp is gonna get more exposure next season and we will look better to the community

[wooden burrow]

blizz couldve made us viable S2 while maintiaing the tcap imho

[olive wraith]

Yes

[wooden burrow]

brother man i would love that and im honestly excited about S3

[olive wraith]

Blizz has the power to make any class meta. Regardless of utility, target cap, raid buffs

[frank dawn]

Yeah I mean fury looks good on PTR. We’re not S tier but I would have a hard time believing we aren’t very strong A tier and we’re giga tanky to boot - that survival factor is easily overlooked imo

[wooden burrow]

i just feel bad when i see classes doing 60m on a big pull but maybe that my own problem i guess

[tepid cedar]

jsut laugh at pplz face when u out dps them and make sure u throw it in their face 5t hard cap

[olive wraith]

That’s the target cap thing we literally just talked about

[wooden burrow]

i would say we are b or b+

[tepid cedar]

being childish makes things a lot better

[olive wraith]

I’m almost positive fury is gonna slot into phys comp

[wooden burrow]

with monks and rogues i can see that

[inland flame]

If its not Prot its Fury obvs, are people thinking Brew or Mist?

[drowsy heron]

Brew/RestoSham/Fury/FDK/Rogue? for phys comp?

[wooden burrow]

FDK can stay out and play with the "meta"

[summer quail]

feral instead of rogue

[drowsy heron]

ah

[quiet breach]

I looked at my raider.io Spotify wrapped thing and I was surprised it said I dungeoned with all specs, I thought it would say I hadn't played with a feral lol

[wooden burrow]

@olive wraith @junior gale i apologize if i came across as rude however that wasnt my intentions to begin with.

[quiet breach]

that spec was NOWHERE TO BE FOUND this tier for me

[tepid cedar]

hunter is way to good to not take

[inland flame]

Feral is so fun tho, sad that Boomie is so much easier and better

[frank dawn]

Feral players are a rare breed

[summer quail]

feral been good in m+ for a long time. just very few players, plus why play it when boomy is so easy in comparison

[tepid cedar]

brew r druid fury hunter rogue

that way u have cloack to bypass pulls

[frank dawn]

Do you need cloak tho lol

[dense elbow]

Just nelf pot bro

[inland flame]

Ya but is that worth Skyfury tho?

[olive wraith]

You’re fine. There’s a lot of doom trolls that pop in so of course we get a little desensitized

[tepid cedar]

isnt nelf pot shared with dps potions

[summer quail]

it is

[quiet breach]

thoughts on - hunter + enhance

[junior gale]

I dont mind sorry for the personal insult that wasn't necessary

[tepid cedar]

negates that bc when u push high keys u ned every dps possible

i like enahnce tbh

[olive wraith]

Idk if enhance makes the cut

[quiet breach]

is Noxiv team playing with that bear tank OTP guy again

[dense elbow]

Squish? Probably

[summer quail]

i think you want skyfury over rogue skip. brew, rsham,fury,hunter,feral. WW too down bad for the monk spot and enhance is alot of magic damage

[junior gale]

realistically any combination of Monk Warrior Sham Druid + phys dps would work well as a phys comp

[inland flame]

Just gotta ask if Feral RSham is better than RDruid Enhance

[quiet breach]

guys what if its

whoever is best at whatever spec

what if the tuning is that close

[summer quail]

dps wise it prob is atm, but at the same time Rdruid by far the best healer on ptr. so it depends on whether they can survive or not

[unborn delta]

hey guys, im sure im beating a dead horse. but is there somehwere i can see a list of things warriors should be doing before season 3? like craft a 2h wep so we can upgrade it / craft helm + waist and put a socket on them so we can upgrade them and already have a socket

[inland flame]

I belieb in RSham, just cuz I like Feral

[olive wraith]

You lose a socket when going from s2 gear to s3 gear I’m pretty sure

[quiet breach]

wym "craft a 2h so we can upgrade it"

[frank dawn]

Yeah sockets don’t carry over

[dense elbow]

Nothing you can't do as the new season hits
Just remember to get the belt and you fine for the season start

[olive wraith]

Crafting anything now is just more for moving your emb if anything

[silk wharf]

I assume he means the off hand weapon.

[unborn delta]

thats good to hear, someone else said they do and i was like "crap i gotta recap my valorstones after that

glad its just dentheads spreading misinformation

[olive wraith]

Capping valorstones is a good idea

[frank dawn]

Ugh, I quit the season before the belt. How strong is it actually heading into next season

[unborn delta]

i am capped. i also heard i should buy the itemized valorstones with my great vault tokens

[olive wraith]

You can get it now

[quiet breach]

wont replace till mythic track belt

[unborn delta]

will those carry or get deleted you think

[quiet breach]

so, pretty strong

it doesn't take long, get it and uograde

u have to do like 4 delves total

[olive wraith]

Depends how much you actively play the character

[quiet breach]

tier 1 even

[olive wraith]

I’m not gonna worry about it cause I’ll be spamming keys

[frank dawn]

Blargh. Myth track next season. That is strong.

[dense elbow]

Ya gonna get enough valorstones as you farm HC track gear

[unborn delta]

im CE ilvl684 on the warrior

[frank dawn]

Oh, didn’t know that tho

[earnest canyon]

Who the hell was it that always links that spreadsheet?

[unborn delta]

but ive been raidlogging for a while lol

[earnest canyon]

With prep wtc

[quiet breach]

takes less than an hour

[unborn delta]

larias in my guild always makes a guide of things to do at season start

[quiet breach]

to fully upgrade

[olive wraith]

You’ll replace most stuff with champ track

No worries

[inland flame]

Tbf you got a whole week to figure things out before stuff actually drops

[unborn delta]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WwbpkS28CeZ7_lqqWLdumjZV7_kwJeGEUQ2O4dWenOc/edit

[sinful spoke]

breath of piss on top

[quiet breach]

also, get the powers that might be useful in the belt

depending on sim

[sinful spoke]

lowest ilvl in the group by 10 ilvls

[unborn delta]

its just the crit one right?

[sinful spoke]

lost by a lil bit only

[dense elbow]

Get out of here

[quiet breach]

that's the one that's generally best but another one might be better depending on situation, I'd get the mastery one as well

[olive wraith]

I thought we were hitting 7m overalls

[quiet breach]

just in case

[sinful spoke]

no

[dense elbow]

Class traitor

[sinful spoke]

dk is just smf but better

i am no traitor

i just like my alts

[dense elbow]

Traitor

[sinful spoke]

ble ble ble

i bet u got a mage alt

prove me wrong

[dense elbow]

I would never play a non warrior

I am pure

Trust

[sinful spoke]

i dont trust cats

[olive wraith]

Not even funky ones?

[dense elbow]

Btw, as we are partly on the topic of m+ DPS meters, what are ya lads season highest?

[unborn delta]

i did 5.4 as fury in a cinderbrew once, i mostly played prot in m+ though

[dense elbow]

Respectable

[unborn delta]

first 3 weeks prot was disgusting

[dense elbow]

3m overall was totally fine

Wdum

[unborn delta]

so much damage

i was topping the charts overall at end in 10s

[dense elbow]

Sad part? Some times I do that to this day

[tepid cedar]

prot is meta in tw bro

#winning

[unborn delta]

they took our shield slam damage

[dense elbow]

They took our revenge dam too

[sinful spoke]

idk i havent done keys ion my warrior in ages

[dense elbow]

Ballparking it is fine

Ain't serious business

[sinful spoke]

probably like 4.5m?

maybe more as arms

iono

[dense elbow]

Aight, low-end, but not abysmal

[sinful spoke]

lemme see

yeah keys arent logged so cant check

[olive wraith]

Ya hardly played fury

[dense elbow]

My highest was 6.4m in priory ethical Slayer Fury gaming

[dense elbow]

Your deets?

[olive wraith]

Probably around 4.5 ish.

Think I only really did rook and top as fury

Am also bad

So give me grace

[dense elbow]

Pretty good for ToP tho, so dont knock yourself down

[plush zephyr]

I liked playing fury cause I got 99s

[tepid cedar]

get out of here arms lover boy

❤️

[plush zephyr]

[dense elbow]

Just go prot brøø

[quiet breach]

can you trade the cantrip boots?

[spare steppe]

Probably not it’s personal loot

[olive wraith]

Week 1 join a rwf split group. Loot heroic boots. Profit

[upbeat plume]

so since we have only one cantrip weapon this coming season, cantrip boots, and a cloak slot taken up, will our embellishments go back to the weapon+ bracers combo lol

[summer quail]

it's not really a cantrip weapon either. just a funny meme on use

but to answer your question, yes most likely unless lucky with weapon in vault

[upbeat plume]

well its always effecient if no weapon in vault early on, but yeah I feel like its going to take back over cause of how congested the item slots are this season or so it would seem

[summer quail]

yeah and also weapon doesn't drop til 4th boss in raid

[storm birch]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/delve-trinket-hotfixes-on-patch-11-2-ptr-377944 this entire comment section on this wowhead article is people saying no to warrior getting lust

Kinda funny

[olive wraith]

Def gonna be a crafted wep season

[worn yoke]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/delve-trinket-hotfixes-on-patch-11-2-ptr-377944#comments
Comments are red hot

yooo jinx

[storm birch]

Bruh

Lmfao

That’s actually funny

[young swan]

wait why lmfao

[frank dawn]

lol wtf is going on with that

Related to the topic tho. What are actually our good trinkets atm. They all seem kind of beans

[young swan]

sacbrood

pacemaker

[dense elbow]

Ok that comment section was more enjoyable than I expected it to be

[storm birch]

yea I was crackin up

[upbeat plume]

oh any word after the set tuning if we can fire execute regardless of stacks? for slayer

[storm birch]

sac and pace are good. Netherprism decent

so'leahs prolly decent too .

[tepid cedar]

goinbg to be upsetting is our bis trinkets both come from dungeons only and have to pray for vault rng

[storm birch]

I still gotta look into single target options. The antenna was interesting. Can't tell if it's good tho

Let me pre-stack netherprism before dungeons and i'll use it !!! xD

[tepid cedar]

is nether prism the one that increases styr?

str*

[storm birch]

it's the spymasters-esque one

with the stacks up 15

[tepid cedar]

if only str was actualyl good for us sgain lol

[upbeat plume]

er its still the most valuable stat

by far

[storm birch]

True but tbh the trinket procs do decent dmg too. It's like 3-5% of dmg iirc

[upbeat plume]

other then weapon dps

[tepid cedar]

str???

lol no

its our worst weighted stat lol

[dense elbow]

Str gem sims as a dps loss for me, vs secondaries

[tepid cedar]

yea

str hasnt been good for quite some time lol

[storm birch]

Void touched fragment was cool but now the scaling is scuffed and you also can't line up the procs. It goes quick af

[frank dawn]

But it is like 38,000 strength when you use it lol - on netherprism

[storm birch]

It's def not nothing. It's still a lot of strength and it hits pretty hard. Just takes a bit to stack up . Even if you're in combat 100% of the time you'll be like 12-13 stacks in the 90 second window of getting back to avatar

from my experience at least

[frank dawn]

Yeah the on pull for netherprism is beans

[storm birch]

perfidious projector active only was doing like 28m on 5 targets. And that's every 2 mins. So idk about that one. It's haste which is cool but so is sac so yea

[frank dawn]

Would be nice it like “stabilized” at 5 stacks out of combat or something

[tepid cedar]

how good was sac in s1?

since i missed s1

[frank dawn]

Bis

[storm birch]

BiS

iirc

really good. And in ptr it feels v nice there too

[tepid cedar]

its it really that good? man as much as i love pace, ive had it on since week 2 of season 2. im readyf or a change lol

[chilly fractal]

Transmitter and Ovinax egg simmed BIS for me in all situations but I never got Ovinax egg

[tepid cedar]

wasnt trasnmistter a pain in the ass

bc u couldent see the shit

[chilly fractal]

Nah

[storm birch]

I never used transmitter so not sure

[chilly fractal]

Just walk forward to the right everytime

Or jump 3 times

[storm birch]

eradicating arcanocore could be interesting I just don't know the stack rate 😦 Some of the numbers on the trinkets look decent but then take ages to stack

[warped bone]

ye could even make it 100% not spawn in shit just turn your char around a bit if spawn spot would be in some nasty goo

[tepid cedar]

@quiet breach u doing any pugging tonight?

[warped bone]

Ovinax egg i honestly could never be bothered with. Having to do slight movement to keep it at the perfect stacks. Ugh

[smoky vale]

@dusky moon hi its back

[slim coral]

No warrior changes

[storm birch]

With hunters and frost dk getting hit better I feel like the top end is stabilizing and now I'm liking our current position

[olive wraith]

Wooooo

W notes

[tepid cedar]

damn its so nice not being in the mid/bottom half

windwalker fucking thummmping

[upbeat plume]

dont worry theres still time

[limber oar]

didnt get randomly nerfed, i call that a win

[olive wraith]

Is this raid dmg

[limber oar]

and dk and hunter both nerfed so we look better in comparison

[hushed gust]

hunter getting nerfed makes phys comp look bad, though. less reason to take warriors and monks.

[spare steppe]

hunter and frosk dk nerfs damn

[silk wharf]

I very much like the comical nature of the enhance shaman bar.

[olive wraith]

Feral buff though

[earnest canyon]

I need a new backup now as hunter is getting crushed, goddamn.... Mage?

[young swan]

its a sim stack

[inland flame]

No idea how good it is but I randomly got into my SPriest

Maybe my small woyer brain likes the build insanity cast DP connection to our build rage and Ramp idk

[limber oar]

hunter not needed for phys comp tho

[quiet breach]

prob not

[spare steppe]

dk dooming is tasty

[summer quail]

18m overall class nerfed

[restive peak]

Hunter barely got nerfed lol, it’s going to be fine

[summer quail]

i'm memeing about an earlier dk conversation

[restive peak]

Oh yeah I meant the comments above

Should’ve replied directly, I’m high just support me bro

But yeah FDK is prob near us now, but MM is fine

[summer quail]

wish i was high

[restive peak]

Yarggi was gaping giga good fdks earlier still

[plush zephyr]

I saw this list earlier where did it come from

And where is mm

[restive peak]

Don’t believe basically any of these lists rn

APLs are being worked on, bugs etc, people sandbag

[hushed gust]

what other physical lust is there? let alone physical ranged?

[earnest canyon]

I'm semi memeing, I just see "numbers go down again". I will wait for patch, and I prefer fun over pure dps anyway.

[limber oar]

resto sham, enh sham

[spare steppe]

shaman?

[summer quail]

aye. very not accurate numbers, havoc apparently undersimming as well

[spare steppe]

isnt skyfury needed for a physical comp

[plush zephyr]

I mean. Apparently mm doesn’t exist.

[limber oar]

also having ranged isnt necessary lmfao

[restive peak]

I mean the changes they’re making are mostly good, we’re getting closer to in line

Except lock in pure ST is still insane

[plush zephyr]

BM/mm

[compact knot]

i feel like fury always oversims

maybe just me

[restive peak]

We’re actually very stable lol

In pure ST

[tepid cedar]

nah its pretty spot on

[oak bear]

other ppl sandbag their sims ours are usually accurate

[olive wraith]

Only 3%. Still gonna do 17m overall

[plush zephyr]

Not arguing. Just curious. How is this? I alt a lot and it doesn’t seem like any of my other classes (mage/hunter/rogue/monk/dk) over sim or “sandbag” in sims.

[oak bear]

not all other ppl but some specific specs sim vs reality in raid is always sus (dk)

[young swan]

guy named miasna, he usually does a big batch of sims for his guild pre-tier

[sturdy river]

is that a ST sim or multi targ or a mixture of a bunch of diff

[young swan]

definitely does

[plush zephyr]

Ty

[young swan]

our sims are accurate in the sense they are very well optimized but we almost always oversim

[plush zephyr]

gottt damn BM with the 3% nerf across the board

Wild

[frank dawn]

Fury still one of the hardest hit by downtime, and downtime is basically guaranteed

[dusky moon]

I think they should go back to season 1 and Nerf warriors again every week

For the record I was paid $10 to say that

Ty @smoky vale

[restive peak]

I was on intern with miasna when he was a goated fuckin shadow priest man, he’s a G

[untold moth]

Salute to our fallen brothers, lost from the patch notes ::Taps Increasing::

[young swan]

hes an odd fish

[smoky vale]

my paypal is missing +10

[dusky moon]

Listen here you little shit

God warrior emotes are so bad

[smoky vale]

[orchid dagger]

Can't use my outside ones because no fun allowed

[dusky moon]

It's crazy that warriors can't behave with outside emotes

[orchid dagger]

Just like how Blizz treats us I guess

[dusky moon]

Y'all are animals

[smoky vale]

have you seen the fish

[orchid dagger]

We have pokemon pfps, ofc we are fucking animals

[storm rune]

The dogs in my pfp aren't mine, they just walked up to me and accepted me into their pack

[restive peak]

Yeah but he’s a fuckin gamer man

[indigo arch]

Sick patchnotes for warrior

Must be perfectly fine for push keys in s3

Must be all the utility that warrior brings the one specific group that wants it beyond battleshout, such as:

[humble bolt]

you know its all based on the 17 people playing in RWF that blizz cares about. tuning will happen once these 0.000001% of player base hit their goals.

RWF should just be on a separate realm

[frank dawn]

I mean with all the nerfs been flying out the last few days and the ones just posted too fury pretty damn good spot by being ignored lol

[young swan]

is there something inherently wrong with tuning being a little bit wacky for a week or two

[humble bolt]

yes there is. catering to the smallest community is inherently wrong

[young swan]

why

it doesnt impact the community at large

like at all

[indigo arch]

Just because the top got hit won't make dps warrior magically produce millions of dps

[humble bolt]

b/c why do they deserve special privilege?

[young swan]

if it doesnt impact anyone else why shouldnt they?

it literally has 0 effect on you or me

[humble bolt]

it does though. the fact that tuning is held back for them, is ridiculous

[young swan]

why

also like

they literally just tuned

[frank dawn]

With 8 boss raids is it really even held back lol

[young swan]

so ur just talking out of your ass i fear

[indigo arch]

Don't worry after rwf fury and arms will still get zero rework or tuning addressing m+

[young swan]

what tuning does fury need

[junior gale]

12.0 arms and fury gonna go hard the long Imgurs will save us

🙏

[indigo arch]

Not doing dogshit damage compared to most of the rest of the specs in the game in m+, who also have more utility

[young swan]

okay so you want a rework

not tuning

[dense elbow]

OF 60-90% buff

[frank dawn]

I mean we don’t do dog shit damage on ptr tho either

[storm birch]

dmg is pretty good on ptr 😄

[young swan]

yeah u also just dont know what ur talking about

what can do

[olive wraith]

No it’s literally unplayable guys

Listen to the cow

[indigo arch]

I want either, tww prepatch was tuned where it didn't matter if fury was capped, we shredded in m+

[red berry]

make thunder blast hit as hard as aimed shot for MM

[slim coral]

Buff roar by 400%

[olive wraith]

[young swan]

fury wasnt tuned to where it didnt matter unhinged was just broken as fuck and we still had titans torment

• tier that made OF do 50% more damage

[indigo arch]

I miss that

[young swan]

also citing a prepatch for tuning is omegalul

[indigo arch]

A prepatch was the only time fury had a shot of being meta in keys

That's the real omegalul.

[young swan]

s2 df we had a chance

[storm birch]

Slayer feels great for raid setting and fury feels great for m+ right now. Don’t wanna be too good or we get nerfed and suffer all patch

I’m relatively happy where we are

[olive wraith]

But Fdk was doing 18m overall last week

[indigo arch]

Parts of df were good too

[young swan]

considering how we came into ptr im quite happy with fury rn

[indigo arch]

Bfa wasn't bad

[storm birch]

Yea absolutely. Agreed

[junior gale]

fury will do very well and shine pretty hard in a phys comp

[storm birch]

Thunder blast cooks like a mf right now

[young swan]

if I were you, I would save my malding for midnight alpha

[junior gale]

or save it for arms

hes not looking so hot

[storm birch]

I just don’t understand why people want to be op on ptr haha

[dense elbow]

Would be neat if our capstones got some tuning love tho

[storm birch]

It’s not a good thing

[young swan]

yeah that would be nice

but it didnt happen in the first 2 weeks

so its not happening until next xpac

[dense elbow]

Yeh, yeh... Would be neat tho

[olive wraith]

Surprise of +80%

Just gotta believe

[sullen dove]

bring back anni

[olive wraith]

True

[bitter palm]

of 80% buff

[sullen dove]

and siegebreaker

[olive wraith]

And Df s3 tier

[bitter palm]

raid where small adds spawn every 50

of nerf 9000000%

[dense elbow]

^

Every time

[summer quail]

https://tenor.com/view/are-you-not-entertained-entertained-gladiator-russell-crowe-maximus-gif-17738266

[thick fossil]

My guild just did a Rik Reverb with everyone using 1 button feature. It was pretty hilarious. Killed the boss still, but man is that bad for Warrior.

[red berry]

buff ground current by 4x and uncap it

uncap thunder blast truly who gaf. it still won't hit as hard as aimed shot

[olive wraith]

I swear warriors were one of the least losses from Sbr

[silk wharf]

its a huge loss. The prediction function is a small loss though

[tepid cedar]

everyone blowing frost dks. but hunters lol... this is a +19 eco dome

[frank dawn]

Hunter just got a kinda big slap on the wrist

[silk wharf]

It also doesn't have any respect for bloodcraze/tier set.

[olive wraith]

Now imagine if that arcane was fury instead

[thick fossil]

It wouldn't even use whirlwind during the fight. Sooooooo, lol.

[silk wharf]

So the fury one button has the normal punishment plus the loss of a talent and tier bonus.

[tepid cedar]

did they? today?

[thick fossil]

Yeah

[silk wharf]

Minutes ago

[tepid cedar]

the video i jsut screenshotted was done yesterday.

NICEEE

goof

good fuck them hunters

[thick fossil]

@tepid cedar
#arms message

[bitter palm]

buff arms

[summer quail]

think hunters are gonna be just fine. prob not crazy outlier anymore tho

[slim coral]

fury just went up a tier basically if you factor in nerfs

[thick fossil]

And there was a lot of nerfs. Holy shit.

[plush zephyr]

hunter got taken to the fuckin shed

[tepid cedar]

fucking beautiful!!!

fuck theeeeeemmmmm

[tepid cedar]

this

[opal zenith]

The MM nerfs in particular were super nasty

[tepid cedar]

WW got a small nerf

[plush zephyr]

needed

[tepid cedar]

good, keeps them, closer to the next melee

[thick fossil]

No kidding right? Like I said, bout time they stopped Trick shots making Sweeping Strikes look like garbage.

[opal zenith]

They lost percent damage from their trick shots lol

[thick fossil]

MM will still be good, but just not the 75% cleave

[olive wraith]

First scythe reduced

[opal zenith]

So big multi target nerf

[olive wraith]

What about second

[opal zenith]

Only first

[young swan]

i will never forgive the devs for removing the argus scythe animation from exterminate

[thick fossil]

Won't the first one comsume all the modifiers though?

[young swan]

coolest animation an ability has ever had

[dense fulcrum]

We dodged a buff

[young swan]

didnt need a buff

[hushed gust]

don't need one, yes, but never leave opportunity on the table.

[dense fulcrum]

True we need a miracle

[tepid cedar]

fucxking amazing. no more free braindead damage for a 2 button class that play safely hiding behind warriors

[young swan]

cant tell if just rage baiting

[tepid cedar]

we gonna be in a great spot

[young swan]

or actually dumb

[tepid cedar]

if we can stay how we are

[frank dawn]

Getting buffed at this point is just asking for week 1 nerfs xd

[hushed gust]

yo true actually. keep us still XD

[dense fulcrum]

[tepid cedar]

fury scales with 2ndary stats so well

we gonna be fine

[modest condor]

s word spotted

[tepid cedar]

lolol

[thick fossil]

I hate to say it, but after they just chopped all the main outliers and even some non-outliers down. We're looking to be, well, good.

[frank dawn]

I mean they could buff OF or Onsalught or something, but for whatever reason that seems off the table

[olive wraith]

Hate to say it?

[young swan]

wouldnt even want them to atp

[tepid cedar]

^^^^^^^^^^^

dont touch us

[frank dawn]

Yeah not wrong

[tepid cedar]

and let us be

[thick fossil]

We wouldn't talent into Onslaught anyways.

[olive wraith]

Onslaught is omega dead

[young swan]

those buttons suck dick

[olive wraith]

Leave it for 12.0

[young swan]

dont do anything useful

[tepid cedar]

with these nerfs, and hopefuly some more to other classes. we gonma be fkn great

[modest condor]

i think at this point they're scared that buffing one of them would completely throw our damage breakdown off again which would be too big of a hassle to fix within a couple of weeks

[thick fossil]

Odyn's fury would need some insane buff to make us touch it.

[hushed gust]

I've dicked around with OF, at least, and- it feels good and at least helps a bit on super big pulls. not enough to actually swap into unless you just want it.

[frank dawn]

If you really love OF it’s still borderline usable without being complete troll

[tepid cedar]

im intrigued on WW. i see they lsot 5$ haste from tier. but another 8% damage increase

those fuckers were already at the #3 spot

[frank dawn]

Their AoE kinda sucks tho

[tepid cedar]

well i jsut read to. halved jade sperent time + the 5% haste.

so that justifies it

[frank dawn]

Their Thunderblast and Bladestorm also have almost no target scaling - which I don’t understand lol

[forest fable]

The 5%haste is such a nerf because you lose a fists of fury cast basically

In the heart window

[quiet breach]

why'd u ask btw did u want to group?

[frank dawn]

The monk set was like a 34% increase or something silly before that nerf lol

So it all makes sense I think, but they could still use some AoE love imo

[tepid cedar]

bwas thinkking about doing something.

[thick fossil]

Oh man, kinda warms the soul to see Hunter's bitch about losing the 75% trick shots.

[tepid cedar]

i would love to see their discord right now

and go ddrop the marshawn lynch HAHA gif lol

[young swan]

send screenshots

wont be joining the azor breeding ground

[thick fossil]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/hunters-nerfed-again-because-wed-rather-you-didnt-play-hunter/2139873

[craggy tulip]

Any mountain thane build on PTR i would like to build

i tried looking for some but didnt see any

[thick fossil]

Same as what we currently have.

[craggy tulip]

for M+

[young swan]

its a bit diff

[tepid cedar]

whats mind boggling, is the fact that they say they have been competitive only in PTR, where in current those fucks are wreckign raids and m+ as well lololol

[young swan]

u take spear in aoe or no capstone at all

[covert coyote]

insert "First time?" meme here

[thick fossil]

BM with the 1 button rotation still pulled a 67 parse. lol

[frank dawn]

That hunter bro has dooming every single nerf even when they were still busted af

[thick fossil]

spear ~= roar still by the sounds of it from Critcake

[young swan]

its like half a percent better

and has higher top end

roar is a fart away from being a dps loss global

[thick fossil]

lmao

[tepid cedar]

ive said it a lot over past few months. and only changhe i would like or warrant right now

make spear and champions might 1 node, and make capstone be +2 seconds and 50% more radius.

[thick fossil]

We need a weakaura to change the Roar sound now.

[olive wraith]

Man roar and spear blow

[thick fossil]

I laughed way too hard at that. Now all I can think of is a weakaura that covers the dragon head animation with a dragon butt, and a fart noise played over it.

[covert coyote]

someone get an AI on the case. get it posted here before patch drops

[olive wraith]

What?

[silk wharf]

You can just go change the sound files. I did it years ago when they refused to fix an npc's sound file playing at max volume.

[winter shoal]

roar sucks amen

[olive wraith]

Lmao

[inland flame]

One less keybind les go

[covert coyote]

think I'd rather have the extended shockwave over roar for a 0.2% increase

[young swan]

thats been the general sentiment in the tc channels

[tepid cedar]

AI WINS ONCE AGAIN

[smoky vale]

what is powerful bt

[winter shoal]

UF = UF
Powerful = Powerful
BT over ramp = BT over ramp

[smoky vale]

why are you bting over ramp

[red berry]

I thought Crit sinmed it and spear is a .5% loss in AoE

[smoky vale]

is this at 100% crit or

[red berry]

which isn’t much

[olive wraith]

For tb fishing

[smoky vale]

oh thats thane

aint no one play fury in m+

[bitter palm]

thane

[smoky vale]

get that shit out of my screen

[bitter palm]

noob

dk player

[covert coyote]

so like S3 DF where we BT on CD but only in AoE now

[smoky vale]

im a warrior player

[olive wraith]

No you’re pressing bt a lot in st

[red berry]

if you don’t have two blasts banked

[smoky vale]

[bitter palm]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/965181691981357056/1332714601367867505/attachment-55.gif

[winter shoal]

In aoe

[bitter palm]

warrior gameplay

be like

[smoky vale]

hey im a warrior player

right

[covert coyote]

TB realy that cracked out that it's highest prio in ST now too?

[bitter palm]

y

[inland flame]

with the new tier all of our damage is and BT gets you more of them

[covert coyote]

well hot dog, it's gonna be a fun season

[winter shoal]

Still only in aoe, idk the target breakpoint. You BT over RB for sure, but not sure about BT over ramp

[thick fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/spit-take-gif-13316906

Ok, I need to get to sleep.

[tepid cedar]

heres one more before u go

[winter shoal]

Last I checked, you still ramp over BT in single target as thane, but it was close

Also very subject to change

That kind of thing is very easily affected by tuning, your individual stats, etc

[covert coyote]

so as soon as we hit 2+ targets it's TB>BT>rest

[winter shoal]

Probably? idk silm is the target count knower

This is 2t

but again very subject to change

Also thane sims have really high variance anyways because of TB procs

So I wouldn't worry about that kind of optimization rn

[covert coyote]

okay, seems pretty legit, i'm feeling hype for S3

[winter shoal]

Or ever frankly

[tepid cedar]

i might be wrong but i dont see 2t BT taking prio. feels like it would be 3+ targets to make it worth

[winter shoal]

Archi will update the guides with better info before patch goes live

[inland flame]

Esp compared to now you should be excited, only thing that sucks is sometimes you won't get those TB resets when you really want them, but whatcha gonna do

[tepid cedar]

yea i keep checking APL. im interested to see the intiial list

[winter shoal]

Just don't run spear and then you're less affected by the timing of resets 🙂

(I am spear's #1 hater)

[inland flame]

I'm already imagining the resets starting after 3/4 of a large trash pack is dead and getting triggered

[covert coyote]

for sure, I'm just over this season. raid was fun, M+ was middling, I'm ready for some more fun

and maybe some time down the line we can get impactful CDs again

[bitter palm]

ngl just a no cd angle

double cruel strikes

fuck it we ball

[inland flame]

All my homies love a flat damage profile

[winter shoal]

Not in a raid with this many damage amps lmao

When sub rogue looks like this

[dense fulcrum]

how are the numbers in raid compared to top melee performers? (ptr)

didnt really paid attention to raid lately

[winter shoal]

Well considering there was tuning to half the melee today

Nobody knows

We were looking pretty strong sim-wise but the extent to which that transfers to actual raid fights is unclear

[sinful spoke]

@slim coral they just gutted our alts

[slim coral]

good thing I got 8 more

[sinful spoke]

Wtf

What u gonna do now hunter?

[slim coral]

survival looking kinda nuts

[sinful spoke]

Brother ewww

Imma keep my dk i might do rogue tho i miss assass

[young swan]

feral

[slim coral]

I got plenty ready

I can go feral, ret, ww or havoc

havoc is looking nuts tho ngl

[sinful spoke]

I mean tbh

My dh is there for the new spec too

I just gotta decide if its fun when its out

[slim coral]

oh also my rogue

could play that

might just play dh tho

as the m+ spec

[inland flame]

imagine it's a second tank spec just since that isn't a thing yet

[summer quail]

Shh be quiet

[inland flame]

idk how you handle that tho

[sinful spoke]

Idk about second tank

Itll be dps

Trust me

[young swan]

plays like utter dogshit

play anything else

[slim coral]

I do like the outlaw rework

bladefurry looks so good

[young swan]

bladefurry

[slim coral]

also both rogue specs got giga bufffd

assa up massive

[hushed gust]

yeah its when yo uturn into a black and red wolf oc

[winter shoal]

still cbt on bosses tho

[inland flame]

tfw you have stacks rolling on a target that has an rp death and you don't have vanish

[slim coral]

cbt?

just got done with a 2 hour guild meeting

brain melted

[winter shoal]

Google it bud you might find some interesting results

[inland flame]

lets just say the t is for torture

[young swan]

🐓 🏀

[inland flame]

[storm birch]

Yea I don’t know exactly how raid numbers are cause there’s been a lot of changes but I just do a light basis of dungeon bosses (lots of people have completely different talent builds for raid which I’m aware of) which is the only data I can really grab at. Slayer in m+ for me feels so great on bosses. And I typically outperform (most) other people I’m against. Now that being said these people prolly aren’t 100 parsers so take it with a grain of salt. But that’s pretty much my basis that prolly doesn’t mean anything

[slim coral]

oh you meant cocky

I see

[brittle crow]

when do i get into poptart corndog

[junior gale]

when you eat a poptart corndog

[brittle crow]

ill eat one on cam

get me in touch w dratnos

[barren brook]

Bro

😦

[light hedge]

So we finally get actually punished for not raiding

[woven valley]

I mean there’s punishment for not doing any content this time they just decided that they didn’t want raiders doing lfr for the boots till their eyes bled

[sinful spoke]

Lol

What kinda mentality is this

U want the gear do the content

[light hedge]

i think the whole design of the boots is big bs

thats my mentality

[sinful spoke]

Warrior player take

[frank dawn]

I mean...lol. raiders are every bit as bitchy when a bis item is in m+

lets not pretend otherwise

[sinful spoke]

No one said otherwise?

I do my keys for gear even tho i only do it for raid

U dont see me crying abt it

U know what stupid? The dinar shit why if my main 8/8m my alt cant buy mythic trinkets/weps

[frank dawn]

knowing blizzard theyll just remve dinars completely again

because somehow that makes sense

[sinful spoke]

After giving it to us 3 times

I dont think they will

Remove

[frank dawn]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/tank-cloak-nerfed-more-reshii-wraps-artifact-cloak-tuning-on-11-2-ptr-377951?utm_source=discord-webhook

wasnt the tank cloak already mid

[sinful spoke]

Multi dollar company

[light hedge]

why arent crests warbound if my main has 300 crests overhang

[sinful spoke]

My warrior has 1k gilded crests and i agree

[plush zephyr]

based god damn I love this

[open wigeon]

One two three four whirlwind one two three four whirlwind

[light hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/based-gigachad-chad-gif-23901955

[light hedge]

Same with campaign story -.- why do i have to redo campaign 13 times.

[sinful spoke]

Stupidity

[woven valley]

Sounds like you just don’t like the game my dude

[light hedge]

I do like it, but unless i have any impact on the outcome or a different choice / situation, there is in fact 0 value in repetition.

no need to proof that the quest outcome is the same after 13 times exactly the same story.

[plush zephyr]

I think this is less them wanting you to do it 13 times and moreso difficulty in connecting it all (talking about past content). They've done a really good job at skips though for main story things since DF.

[haughty cloud]

Is arms or fury going to be better for raids this tier? Or both very close?

[plush zephyr]

Fury

[slim coral]

Pov you're biased against warriors

[modest condor]

(or grip)

[slim coral]

Dk's and denying grip as a raid buff name a better duo

[heavy galleon]

Did you see the musclebrah tier list ? 🤣🤣🤣

[olive wraith]

If you’re a key only player like me you get much slower access mythic ilvl

[heavy galleon]

Fury warrior D tier

This monkey mage metaslave is boring

[olive wraith]

I like how fury is below arms

Oh wait there’s no placement inside tier

But also. Holy priest c? Aren’t they good raid healers

[celest halo]

Yeah and maybe it’s old, frost mage is like bis mage in raid as of now

[slim coral]

its not old

yoda litearlly just made it

[inland flame]

I wonder what WW looks like after the Conduit nerfs/aura buff

Also wonder how Condy and Shado stack up now

[craggy sleet]

yoda copium prot pally

[sour frigate]

sims are huge

[drowsy heron]

Blizzard really wants everyone raiding, but the problem is that Mythic raiding so much time investment that its only for like 1% of the playerbase

they really need to start making Mythic raiding puggable after a certain point in the season

[light hedge]

💯

[undone flower]

It is puggable from the start, or you mean the entire raid should be puggable ?

At the end pugs were killing stix, I think going beyond half the raid is not a thing in blizzard mind

[drowsy heron]

by the end of the season, it should be puggable. which mechanically it is, but with the lockout system the way it is its makes its EXTREMELY hard to pug

FFXIV's ultimates are puggable, and that shit is harder than Mythics. confirmed by Echo

[undone flower]

You are lying when you say ff14 ultimates are puggable

[drowsy heron]

no, they are puggable

i've done it in pugs

[undone flower]

You don’t know what a static is

It’s a fucking guild roster without the name

[drowsy heron]

nah, you can literally pug ultimates

i've done it

[undone flower]

The first time you did it in a pug ?

[drowsy heron]

yes, i've cleared DSR in a pug

on patch

[undone flower]

So in 1 sitting

[modest condor]

then it's not harder than mythic

maybe early mythic bosses or something

[drowsy heron]

ok, what you're saying is not the same as what i'm saying

cause you're assuming things according to how WoW does lockouts

[undone flower]

Yes bc you are just telling me it is easier than half the bosses of wow raid, I find it troubling

[drowsy heron]

if it wasnt for Mythic lockouts working the way they do, Mythic raiding would be 100% puggable

might take 4-8 weeks for pugs to start clearing the full lockout but it would be puggable

[undone flower]

Tbf in this raid I think the only barriers to pug the whole raid are lil bit mug and sprocket, bandit and gally are puggable

[drowsy heron]

imagine having Mythic lockouts the way all other diff lockouts work. Guarantee you those bosses would be killed in pugs throughout the season

[olive wraith]

I do wish raid id was removed after like rwf or something

[undone flower]

After HoF closing my big guess on a good timing

Even tho I’m not 100% sure I’m against the lockout system

[drowsy heron]

I am, its stupid

their reasoning of it destroying the guild stucture or whatever is bullshit

if anything its going to push more people into communities/guilds cause they meet more good people doing pug mythics

similar to how people find friends and such through M+

[undone flower]

It happens in heroic pugs ?

(I don’t’ do pug so I’m asking)

[drowsy heron]

maybe, i havent run into it in heroic pugs but i've seen that kind of sentiment in Pugs. Like people pushing AoTC early or guild grabbing extra people for pugs will ask if people want to stick around for following weeks

[undone flower]

I have the sentiment it is mostly like m+, it is soloplayer game content, but highest you go in a team

I would more see maybe a decrease of the 20 man (im not sure on this too)

[drowsy heron]

Balance would have to change a lot if you reduce the raid size for mythic

[mint oracle]

Hi guys ! At start of S3 when we will lose our 4p while gearing, Any idea if we should play thane or slayer in m+ content?

[olive wraith]

Sim the pieces you get against your s2 4p

You’ll only really not have tier for like 3-4 weeks so I wouldn’t emphasize too much on optimization

[mint oracle]

Ok thx mate !

[indigo arch]

Thane will likely be it all the way, new tier or not

Unless your group rly wants st lmao

[mint oracle]

🐐

[olive wraith]

Nah I might slayer until 4p

Ww and bs damage is solid

[pine gust]

No Warrior changes in recent tuning

Warrior is perfect

[cerulean badger]

Hunter and fdk nerf is a Warri buff no?

[narrow fossil]

But Paladin buff is a warr nerf

And also rogue buff

[olive wraith]

Ret was really down bad afaik

[bitter palm]

rogues were beyond down bad

all 3 bottom st

cinema

[fast mural]

Windwalker buffs tho?

Unless the tier nerfs are equal

[cobalt relic]

ain't ret buffs only 1% tho

[south kayak]

MM still catching large nerfs lol

[dense elbow]

A bit more than that on AoE for rets

MM, BM and surv all deserve some nerfs

[tight roost]

Hey leave surv out please

[bitter palm]

shoot surv in the head

buff pack leader

MONGOOSE BITE

[warm crag]

impressive that there is a whole class more in need of reworks than arms

[south kayak]

I still don’t really understand why people think rogue is that down bad, I’ve played it and it’s not really close to the problems arms has or fury to a lesser extent

I actually like outlaw, maybe I’m just an anomaly

[bitter palm]

outlaw is fine but assa and sub are objectively not well designed

same with arms honestly

arms is with assa and sub in that regard

fury just needs some tweaks

and a talent tree reshuffle

[bitter palm]

nah arms is built different

[south kayak]

What makes them not well designed?

[bitter palm]

have u played them

[iron portal]

Dont answer question with question!

[bitter palm]

i mean the issues are very obvious

if u played them

[warm crag]

outlaw is most certainly not fine lol

[south kayak]

A little

Are you talking about the energy gen? The pooling?

[bitter palm]

literal cbt

on st

[bitter palm]

ye but better than the other two

[hardy cargo]

I wanted to play assa at some point this season then I just looked at the wowhead guide for that shit closed the window and respec to outlaw

did not look fun at all

[bitter palm]

mutilate wait for energy

peak cbt icl

[median quarry]

Outlaw has a button that kills you half the time and is somehow the best designed rogue spec

[fading sky]

Button is fixxed ptr

[median quarry]

Yeah true

[hardy cargo]

ok but tbf when u dont die to it the button is super cool

[vernal laurel]

I have played Outlaw a lot since like DF, but honestly it just feels kinda bad that its required to have some kind of external tracking to make it work

[hardy cargo]

and it makes for some really funny screenshots

[vernal laurel]

Like you NEED a weakaura in order to play correctly bcs of Roll the bones and BTE conditions

[hardy cargo]

like this one where I was doing lfr

[vernal laurel]

Pretty easy to pug a +10, pretty hard to pug the 5th mythic boss

[clever path]

Hi

[dense elbow]

Pretty easy indeed. To be fair tho, even getting CE isnt too hard, just join an alt run

[bitter palm]

yo pauck how is pack leader surv looking

MONGOOSE BITE

[clever path]

Bro idk they keep neefing mm and bm it might actually be the best spec now idk tho

[dense elbow]

That ain't a joke either

Surv is slept on by so many

[sudden tusk]

hockey pauck

[bitter palm]

idc about sentinel

pack leader is based

MONGOOSE BITE ‼️

[rare forum]

I just had this random thought. Imagine the entire warrior community would protest by switching class until they address the aoe caps / lack of utility.
Lol, RWF playing without battle shout, no warrior to be seen on WCL, or anywhere for that matter. Idk, just a funny thought.

[dense elbow]

But I don't care about the AoE caps or utility... Just design and tuning.

So it is extremely hard to imagine getting close to taking off

But, would be funny indeed

[rare forum]

Yea, add design to the list of aoe / utility. Tuning cant be done properly when design / aoe caps aren't taken care off first.

[dense elbow]

Hm? I hard disagree to that. If they buffed our AoE capstones, OF and Roar, or just OF - they could have it so that we did the damage needed to keep up with the top-end specs in keys and keep our ST-lowcap heavy profile. A 100% OF buff would solve the "we got no AoE big dam moment", and give us a 4-5% overall increase. Give roar 50% buff, and our uncapped DPS got a 3.5% ish overall dam boost.

So it is all tuning, really.

For context: In keys we are ish 5-20% behind on live, based on what spec you play with and what spec/herotalent you play. A 5-10% overall bump based on mass AoE tools, would be significant, and might even have made us a bit too strong. Weirdly enough.

(the more AoE we do, the less others will do, as we canabalize the DPS profiles of eachother)

[nimble delta]

are we going spear in s3 ?

[final eagle]

Im really curious about where we gonna put our 2nd embellish, cuz belt its giving 10k crit just for exist, and were gonna need raid boots

[oak garden]

Yeah but i doubt you go the Belt if you have a good choice on mythic Belt.

[thick fossil]

lmao, this was a good laugh to have in the AM.

[left pasture]

For now, Fury is decent on bosses in M+, but completely non-existent on big packs. It's really frustrating, especially on open pulls!

[nimble delta]

sad but true

[gloomy loom]

What about raid? We good? Can’t find any ptr logs

[thick fossil]

We're fine in raid.

[forest owl]

how's fury looking in s3? havent been keeping up

[thick fossil]

After the nerf hammer of almost every other class, we're in an ok spot.

[forest owl]

that's very telling of where fury was before the nerfs then

[thick fossil]

Some of the nerfs were very large.

[forest owl]

i see hunters dooming and ele stonks

massive st buffs while dodging aoe nerfs

[thick fossil]

Hunter's trick shots went from 75% to 60% (which is good, because that was cucking Sweeping Strikes of warriors).
Their tier set bonus to aimed shot was also cut in half.

They're dooming, but they were so far ahead of almost every other class, it was kinda warranted.
Frost also got some big hits as well.

[median marsh]

now that most of the changes are made, hows fury goping to be in 11.2 keys? and raids? (i know it can always change later on ofc, just asking for how it looks like now)

[forest owl]

assuming we still get gaped on mass aoe

[nimble delta]

no assume thats a fact

[lofty palm]

Did they limit mob count even more for AOE since S1? I have not played since then and im getting back now.

[thick fossil]

Well, we'll see after we get some new data with all these heavy nerfs that got handed out.

[forest owl]

maybe im a bad person but i love others specs getting nerfed, it means fury can rise a little bit

[thick fossil]

I don't really celebrate nerfs unless it was to something that 100% deserved it or super obviously OP. aka, trick shots at 75%.

[heavy galleon]

Hunter nerf is near 20% AoE ?

[thick fossil]

Easily.

[ashen pine]

Good day to all! Can you tell me what trinkets Fury will use? Or is there no reliable information yet?

[thick fossil]

A lot of ok options, but I think most are leaning towards Sacbrood and Pacemaker.

[ashen pine]

Thank you!

[clever path]

@bitter palm should i take the rock lee action figure or the sasuke uchiha action figure with my burger king naruto meal or maybe even the naruto action figure or the neji hyuga action figure

[warm crag]

you cant pick the woke characters

[clever path]

Okay ill pick rock lee then he keeps sexually harassing sakura haruno

[bitter palm]

good choice

its like picking pack leader

to press mongoose bite

[clever path]

Imagine if fote still scaled with mongoose bite stacks like it did in legion..

Cinema..

[bitter palm]

cant have shit anymore

[red berry]

even with it being cut in half aimed shot still does like 2 bil more in keys then say, TB

at least it did Monday and I think that aimed shot nerf didn’t happen yesterday

[thick fossil]

We'll need to see how heavy these nerfs actually land. I still think they'll be really good.

At least in AoE.

[red berry]

did aimed shot get nerfed on Tuesday?

[plush zephyr]

My buns from BK look like they were pressed between a dudes buttcheeks at the fry station. That looks so good.

Oh I see, that’s not American

[thick fossil]

Notes dropped last night.

[red berry]

I thought it was just trick shot my b

[dense sedge]

Rise of the bonk

[red berry]

ah I see. ten percent

yeah it’s probably still overperforming

[thick fossil]

It'll still be good, but the 15% nerf on trick shots is massive.

[slim coral]

No 20 piece = jail

[red berry]

is tricks what cleaves aimed shot?

[dense sedge]

Yeah it is

It’s probably still gonna be strong and it needed to the nerf tbh

[iron portal]

Wait that is Lee. That seems like picture from the long forgotten past

[red berry]

yeah let me

this was Monday granted

so pre nerf

but I can imagine aimed shot still trucks more then it should

I’ll have to do another key with a MM hunter lmao

[south kayak]

Ok but TB doesn't do 40% of Fury's damage on aoe like Aimed Shot does

It's a different breakdown

in an overall key, it's pretty close to rampage and BT

[south kayak]

Isn't the 4p a lot of damage to Aimed Shot?

from Sentinel

Since that first week FDK got nerfed, it's been a total of an 18% aura nerf lmao

that's funny

[dense elbow]

Aimed shot is something you build and spend, so makes sense to myself that it is the top dam and by a mile. Especially that is the ability you cleave

[flat river]

cries in rampage

[dense elbow]

I am glad we dont work like MM in that way, it is fun to play at times - but Fury is just a lot more flexible and fluid

[south kayak]

3 times in a row

[dense elbow]

Always fun when the core ability gets nerfed cause of a tierset

[south kayak]

Stampede is the set

it's not a core ability

[dense elbow]

Stampede is the ability that spawns a bunch of pets that stampede, no?

[sinful spoke]

Join a guild

[dense elbow]

No u

[south kayak]

It was, it hasn't been in the game for a while

[dense elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-surprised-gasp-what-cat-shock-gif-403140411062093680

[south kayak]

I remember how much damage this shit did before all these nerfs

was like 60%+ damage on the first gambit pull

[dense elbow]

That doesnt sound too strong to my ears

[south kayak]

Because I typed it

[dense elbow]

Nah, mainly cause I got no context of the profile

"big AoE thing does big AoE dam"

me go: ok

[south kayak]

a tier set ability doing 60% of your overall damage?

bro

how is that not contextual

[dense elbow]

And?

You said 60% on a gigapull btw

not overall

pretty different

I had my tierset as hunter do 60-80% with explosive shot

I had no issues with that

[south kayak]

I did

[dense elbow]

just silly fun, big numbers go boom

[spare steppe]

I remember when OF was more than 1.5% damage of a pull

[red berry]

from that same key. since I didn’t screencap the full thing you can’t see total damage breakdown

[dense elbow]

To be fair, OF is what, 6-8% on gigapulls

Pretty decent value

[south kayak]

Still a fairly different breakdown

[spare steppe]

True but the overall could be better

[dense elbow]

Overall is abysmal for sure

[spare steppe]

How low is RB?

[red berry]

yes but aimed shot was still massively fucking overtuned

even if it should be different

we are talking a 3 mil delta in overall

[spare steppe]

Kinda like playstyle between ST and AOE is different spam abilities

[south kayak]

yeah it was, MM should still be really good but not op anymore

[red berry]

only really useful in ST and in between CDs

bloodthirst is the priority

[spare steppe]

Makes sense with how strong TB is

Gonna be a fun tier

[red berry]

yeah no even in ST with tier you prioritize BT

[south kayak]

I was surprised arms wasn't buffed this time

[red berry]

just the 5% aura but I agree

a roar buff would be good for everyone

[south kayak]

MoP SMF kek

[tepid cedar]

lol

bnring that shit to live bro

[bitter palm]

dont

[chilly fractal]

I used to play a good chunk of my time as SMF from Cata-WoD… had a lot better luck getting 1 handers to drop and getting them

[bitter palm]

actually do

1hs are cool

with good illusions

[tepid cedar]

as many as time walking dungeons ive done over the past few days

would love to run warglaives of az and be rewarded lol\

those dumb ass devs wont remove it from the game, so atleast make it semi good

[hot shore]

Imo just make SMF baseline and remove titangrip. 🫣

[pale sentinel]

KEKW

[bitter palm]

or even easier

just let us transmog

2hs into 1hs

[sand crest]

or even easier, fuck tmogging 1 handers

and jsut remvoe smf

and add another good passive node we can take instead of a capstone

xd

[hot shore]

Other classes would want sort of same treatment ( dual wield frost dk transmog into dual wield 2handers)

[bitter palm]

2x 2hs

is only fury tho