arms

[teal fossil]

rogues mutilate

[shadow ibex]

Yea it isn't a contest

[teal fossil]

or sinister

or whatever

[shadow ibex]

Just cuz x has y

[latent moss]

last resort fillers should be used as a last resort

[teal fossil]

theres always going to be some dogshti filler

[latent moss]

mutilate has a lot of interactions

[shadow ibex]

Doesn't mean ours has to be the same

[latent moss]

sinister builds a fuck ton of cp with rolls

but u ambush anyway with ho

rogues are different

mutilate is a builder

[wanton sierra]

we overpower rogues down xD

[latent moss]

and on aoe it enables caustic spatter

[teal fossil]

some specs are allowed to talent out of their worst gcd

[shadow ibex]

Just need a rework like everything else

[teal fossil]

but that just makes their next worst GCD their worst GCD

chaos strike on DH feels bad to press unless its annil

[wanton sierra]

we need some love and adjustments ❤️

[shadow ibex]

Who knows what specs look like in mid

[latent moss]

ye but there is literally a solution to arms pressing slam too much

and its called wod taste for blood

deterministic op

then u can move tactician to something that feels better

and then u can make blord reduce ms cd instead of it being a chance

[shadow ibex]

Idt they would make any changes like that for us during tww

[latent moss]

obv not during an expac

[shadow ibex]

There's stuff they could do now that would make slam better without too many moving parts

[latent moss]

slam reduces ms cd

was sent to them

like 400 times

it would cut slam casts by 60% or something i forgot the numbers

so were jugg changes

sent 9000000000000000000 times

[teal fossil]

sure i would like slam reduce MS

but nothing comes for free

so you either need to nerf baseline MS cd or reduce MS damage

both have rippling effects

[latent moss]

see how theres no real way out of this

u could remove mp to make ms hit harder

but then slam prolly overtakes op if u high on rage

we thought about this and moving blord to just ms cd reduction and wod taste for blood fixes this issue

and atp u could make slam hit hard but cost a lot as well

as a rage dump if u get lucky with opp strikes and aa crits

[river ridge]

Or just let Slam fulfill the role its already doing =/

Every rotation has down time. Sometimes you hard cast frost bolt on Frost Mage

Sometimes you dont have something to press as Ret

Slam just being our last resort button is fine

[latent moss]

if this is what last resort filler should look like idk

[river ridge]

Bad luck steak? Idk what to tell you

[sharp wyvern]

thats right after CDs

[rare kite]

that's not even the worst luck

[latent moss]

bad luck streak that happens

way too often

is my point

slam being what it is right now is fine

but its being pressed way too often

[sharp wyvern]

would it be fixed if those slams were OPs ?

[latent moss]

ye cause ops would feed into more ms

which would feed into more tactician

[sharp wyvern]

slam also feeds into tactician

honestly just dont mention it when hating on slam

[wanton sierra]

bad luck is bad luck, everyone here has experienced an bad luck encounter

[river ridge]

Ehh? Checking logs you press it roughly a 1/3rd of the time of MS. You get streaks but I wouldn't call them common or out of line.

[rare kite]

aye and current tactician do not feel good. getting overpower resets doesn't feel good, you're just happy you're not pressing slam

[sharp wyvern]

idk its all just buttons to me

[latent moss]

way less and feels much worse to press over ms cause ms has actual interactions

[sharp wyvern]

i dont even have dmg numbers up most of the time

[heavy patio]

What if they rename slam to "Bonk" and it comes with a funny sound effect?

[rare kite]

i have never heard a single person go "holy shit i'm getting so many overpower procs"

[wanton sierra]

if it comes with better animation, dmg output and soundeffect ok ^^

[latent moss]

yeah cause tactician is necessary to keep ur gameplay flowing well

[rare kite]

exactly. it's dogshit

[latent moss]

and that being a % isnt good design

[sharp wyvern]

did you know that slam has as many passives affecting it as rend on our ST build

[heavy patio]

Lets calm down here, thats unreasonble on blizzard's part.

[latent moss]

rend is dogshit too

it genuinely

does nothing

[heavy patio]

You can get funny name and .mp3 at most

[sharp wyvern]

finally something i can agree with

[latent moss]

except some damage

just move it to deep wounds

and remove rend

[river ridge]

So what do you wana do with Arms? Just press MS?

[sharp wyvern]

it also procs tactician tho

[rare kite]

imgur rework 12.0

read it if you haven't

[latent moss]

move tactician to a real proc

[wanton sierra]

we complain coz we love it XD

[latent moss]

wod taste for blood

blord op reduces ms cd

[sharp wyvern]

some people rather have downtime rather than pressing slam

[latent moss]

no room for bad feeling gameplay

[sharp wyvern]

turning of you dmg numbers would solve your entire issue with slam

[wanton sierra]

id rather charge weave than slam! xD jokin

[latent moss]

i would

[river ridge]

Nope.jpg

[rare kite]

pressing slam is fine as long as it feels like it has meaning. i didn't mind pressing slam in legion because colossus smash resets felt actually good and it felt actually worth "fishing" for

overpower tactician genuinely ruined this spec

[latent moss]

100%

[heavy patio]

It could be worse, it could be spamming hamstring

[sharp wyvern]

wdym meaning
if its the only button you can press then there is the meaning

[latent moss]

we have 2 procs that should feel good and neither of them feel good

sd and tactician

[river ridge]

Yeah but CS being our reset sucked for target swapping or when you had bad streaks of no tactican procs.

[latent moss]

thats why u have a safety net of a self sufficient ms/op loop

[sharp wyvern]

people wishing having CS tactician back are the same people that hate on Jugg rn

and its ironic

[river ridge]

That safety net was still bad without CS on your target lol.

[rare kite]

it's not ironic. one you don't just drop and then the rest of the 35% of the fight is impacted

[sharp wyvern]

and yet it did feel just as bad as jugg does now

[rare kite]

it did not

[latent moss]

i can assure u it would be 10x better than pressing slam 4 times in 6 globals

[river ridge]

Worse IMO.

[sharp wyvern]

this is some nostalgia your on

[rare kite]

i don't think so

[sharp wyvern]

remember how people didnt like the rng of unbridled ferocity in DF

[latent moss]

no thats not it

[sharp wyvern]

cause everyone just ended up having 80+% uptime on reck

[latent moss]

thats cause reck lost meaning

[sharp wyvern]

and people were hating it cause it was completly rng

[rare kite]

i don't think that's comparable. unbridled ferocity feeds into itself

[latent moss]

i dont think ive ever had below 75% uptime

in s2 df

[sharp wyvern]

yeah but you were competing with people who got 90%+

so people hated it

same would happen with CS tactician

cause thats all people care about

[river ridge]

I mean I didnt like CS tactican cuz it felt like without CS you did noodle damage to anything.

[sharp wyvern]

exactly my point

thats what unbridled ferocity did too you felt like you were slowed down if it didnt proc enough

[rare kite]

that is the only problem with cs tactician in legion and was because of mastery. if they kept cs tactician and have deep wounds as mastery it would be solved

[sharp wyvern]

ok but if CS tactician would average out at 100% uptime what would be the point ?

[river ridge]

Why would it? 30% extra damage on a proc means you're not doing diddly outside of that damage window

[sharp wyvern]

cause now you get tuned around having this buff all the time

[latent moss]

so its the exact same as now

except cs isnt on tact

and tact feels like nothing

[latent moss]

but it wouldnt be 100% uptime?

[river ridge]

But it would be a much higher uptime.

Which means damage has to be compensated else where

[sharp wyvern]

did you miss my point about how high rolling would be 100%

[hazy flower]

@strange perch

[sharp wyvern]

its the exact same as unbridled ferocity was

[strange perch]

yeah

hi

[slow saddle]

Hear me out

[rare kite]

it's better to have the chance to highroll procs and have them actually feel good than having "consistent" procs that feel like nothing

[slow saddle]

We are like 12% behind

[fresh spire]

Tact likely has to stay around op. But there is nothing stopping them shooting jug for trauma/bringing back tides of bloods to reset ms instead over battlelord for colossus given its fully bleed reliant now

[river ridge]

It would mean the eternal heat death of Test of Might though

[latent moss]

noooo

test of might

the worst arms design of all time

is dead

[sharp wyvern]

like shaman in DF ?

[hazy flower]

[fresh spire]

Like shaman in s3

[sharp wyvern]

just proc acendance

[fresh spire]

You seen the rng chart

[strange perch]

hello i cant wait for patch 11.2.5 it will be awesome

[hazy flower]

Why

[latent moss]

mongoose bite

[rare kite]

yeah. i'm not saying it should be as rare as say ele ascendance proc, but man does proccing ascendance feel good

[hazy flower]

Mongoose bite my ass

[sharp wyvern]

getting a leggo in S3 also felt good

[latent moss]

i will

[hazy flower]

Surv rework or what

[sharp wyvern]

was it good desing tho ?

[latent moss]

idk i felt nothing

getting it

[hazy flower]

I felt

Big dam

[fresh spire]

Any shaman rng anyone

[sharp wyvern]

your spec was litteraly tuned around the leggo

[hazy flower]

I got it same week as arms buffs

So legit got 20% increase on sims

In 1 day

Lol

[latent moss]

u felt how it feels to have the same damage as everyone else

[rare kite]

i don't know anyone who felt good getting that weapon. wasn't particularly exciting to use either

[hazy flower]

No i still felt gapped by a friend bm

[latent moss]

xdd

[hazy flower]

I just felt less gapped

[fresh spire]

Gavel was the real legendary

[latent moss]

true

[hazy flower]

But bm had absolutely insane aoe

[latent moss]

those arms buffs were the most roundabout way to buff the spec

40% dn buff and its consequences

[sharp wyvern]

at some point we need to move on from fetishizing legion arms and get some new ideas

[fresh spire]

Real

Is a reason they refuse to go back

[river ridge]

Lots of directions Arms could go.

[latent moss]

they refuse to go anywhere

had this exact same gameplay

[fresh spire]

Legion also had many levels of wheels that overlapped well

[latent moss]

for 3 expacs

[fresh spire]

Weapon/talents/legends

[rare kite]

i would take a completely new spec remade from the ground up

[hazy flower]

Arcane eating good

[fresh spire]

Survival v2

[latent moss]

ofc mage

eating good

[fresh spire]

Arms is now ranged as long arms

[sharp wyvern]

i heard there is a new DH spec coming

[hazy flower]

Frost 👎

[rare kite]

indeed, big rumors about void dh

[hazy flower]

Arcane>fire>frost

[latent moss]

me(blizzard) when mages are bad for 0.0000000000000000000002 nanoseconds

[sharp wyvern]

void DH gonna be half ranged half melee

new evoker range class

[hazy flower]

Rumours are rumours

[river ridge]

Id play it if it was like Red Mage from 14

[rare kite]

i hope so but doubt it. would destroy havoc playerbase hahah

[hazy flower]

Why bother till its confirmed

[rare kite]

speculation is fun

[sharp wyvern]

wowhead knows

[hazy flower]

It is when its based on something

Not when its out of the blue

[latent moss]

myrtdh

[sharp wyvern]

did you see how quick they were with the article

[hazy flower]

The goat

🐐

[latent moss]

nah

csgo-diealdor

🐐

[hazy flower]

Myrtbeast>csgo-diealdor

[latent moss]

valorant-livescryers>myrtbeast tho

there are levels to this

[hazy flower]

Wrong class

Valoranf is what

[latent moss]

jambitool mogs myrtdh im afraid

[hazy flower]

Myrtdh farming 100’s like pokemons

[fresh spire]

I feel something about it is real but likely for midnight

[hazy flower]

💯

[fresh spire]

Find it a little sus that gamescon is just after race

[latent moss]

jambitool farming 200s

[sharp wyvern]

i think so too
they cant introduce more new classes cause we are getting realy close to 20

[latent moss]

while u stuck on 100s cro

[sharp wyvern]

and once you have 20 specs myth raid would be a locked comp at least in the perfect world

[latent moss]

maybe they could instead rework classes people are unhappy wiht

(rogue warrior)

[river ridge]

Optimal comp is two of each class. Perfectly balanced

[fresh spire]

Void dh about to be Aug v2

[sharp wyvern]

thats a good way to make people stop playing DH tank

[rare kite]

void dh locked behind pre ordering midnight

just wait

[latent moss]

100%

[sharp wyvern]

ok but if that spec only happens in midnight why is that boss optional ?

[frosty pike]

preordering the turbo deluxe 90$ edition*

[strange perch]

jambitool is farming 1s cuz hes the number 1

[latent moss]

https://tenor.com/view/he's-right-you-know-true-nelson-mandela-morgan-freeman-gif-5548459204320459013

[rare kite]

oh i think it's coming in 11.2.5 but that it's locked behind midnight preorder

[sharp wyvern]

has blizz said anything about why that boss is optional btw ?

[rare kite]

no. only speculation

[sharp wyvern]

i still dont know wtf thats about

[latent moss]

imagine if they gave rogues real gameplay that isnt cbt outside of cds

[sharp wyvern]

why couldnt they made stix optional

im mad

[latent moss]

i sure do love staring at my energy bar and spamming a button waiting for my energy bar to fill up to 50

[sharp wyvern]

hey at least kingsbane cant be parried anymore

[strange perch]

will you be there wanna meet up i will be there

i will touch 🖐️ you

[tacit crystal]

myrtu

hi

[latent moss]

evil pauck strikes again

[rare kite]

also funny af they gave the "optional" boss insanely good loot. everyone will be wearing those boots, especially after they buffed the cape

[hazy flower]

Hi

[tacit crystal]

myrtuu look how close i am

[hazy flower]

W

[frosty pike]

aren't they also BOE? lol

[hazy flower]

Are u getting title

[tacit crystal]

i need 5 keys

[hazy flower]

Also what class

[tacit crystal]

not

[rare kite]

nahh they are bonus loot. so they just roll outside of regular loot, masterlooter can still assign them

[tacit crystal]

or :warrior:

[hazy flower]

Yeah figured since youre 3.7

[sharp wyvern]

not playing phys comp

while being in warrior discord

[tacit crystal]

wrong

unholy is phys comp

[sharp wyvern]

[tacit crystal]

get your shit straight

[hazy flower]

My unholy

Misses

Cinderbrew

For resi

Its insane

[tacit crystal]

isnt it

like resil 20ish?

[hazy flower]

I have

7 20’s on unh

And 16 cinder

[tacit crystal]

xd

[sacred zodiac]

i reported you bud

[strange perch]

@hazy flower @bleak coyote @tacit crystal @latent moss @tacit crystal cant wait for next patch we all will do a key together okay +5 tazavesh gambit

[hazy flower]

But i dont play dk really

[tacit crystal]

myrtu i need you to log na and get me title

[hazy flower]

Mostly just dh boosting since cant get 5 people online to do any push

[tacit crystal]

the people i play with are demons

[hazy flower]

U need to

Teach them

To stop being demons

[latent moss]

we will

🙂

[hazy flower]

Zz

[tacit crystal]

impossible

they are bad

do 0 damage

die

[hazy flower]

Carryable

[tacit crystal]

and take 0 accountability

[hazy flower]

Change people

[tacit crystal]

^ this is not carryable

[hazy flower]

Trust me

It is

[tacit crystal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/466857693617979402/1389026379957538826/notraidcalling.gif

[boreal quartz]

😭

ditched me

[strange perch]

i typed in arms troll and pinged gio 2ice sorry

[teal fossil]

phil

we playing the new tft set?

[boreal quartz]

i have never in my life played or watched tft

icl

[tacit crystal]

lol

[candid pecan]

where can I look at that list?

[icy mulch]

What is TfT?

[strange perch]

team fortress two

[boreal quartz]

its a game

[sharp wyvern]

its a league thing

[icy mulch]

I've never seen TF2 pit as "TfT"

[sour forge]

It’s the league auto chess game

[icy mulch]

Oh league of legends. How many versions of that game are there?

[boreal quartz]

1

league of legends

tft is just in the same launcher

[icy mulch]

Don't they have like 3 versions of their moba?

[sour forge]

League also made a card game

[latent moss]

nah league is just league

[sharp wyvern]

league of legends
teamfight tactics
legends of runeterra

• all the games on steam

[latent moss]

they are just in the same universe

[sharp wyvern]

its all league

[latent moss]

like hearthstone has warcraft characters

[boreal quartz]

theres only the mobile version but thats a diff game

[latent moss]

ye wildrift is a lot different

[boreal quartz]

just has same champs with skill overlaps

but diff items n some stuff

but league itself has different gamemodes

[icy mulch]

Ah, I liked Arcane series but that's as far as I think I'll go with League.

[boreal quartz]

same way wow has m+ raid n shit

league is really fun if you can stand soloQ

[sharp wyvern]

no sane person has ever said that

[boreal quartz]

no one can stand soloQ thats the joke

[icy mulch]

I've seen too many people devolve into demons from playing it.

[sour forge]

Gotta have a strong mental

[latent moss]

league is really fun cause of champs

[sour forge]

If you’re grinding solo q

[latent moss]

some are just peak design

[boreal quartz]

🧠
🧛‍♂️
👖

[latent moss]

holy

[boreal quartz]

nosferatu vlad

🎦

[latent moss]

blood lord better cause voice lines

[latent moss]

bloodlord is lord and master unfortunately

nosferatu 2nd best for sure

[icy mulch]

I'll stick to my Helldivers 2, V Rising, and Aliens: Fireteam elite.

For off games.

[boreal quartz]

you should try world of warcraft

its horseshit

[icy mulch]

[strange perch]

i only play r6 league overwatch 2 and apex

and gta 5 rp

[latent moss]

san andreas multiplayer >>>>>>>> gta 5

samp was goated

[boreal quartz]

dude i will get my rio recap

for my 2 weeks played

of the ssn

[teal fossil]

i played MTA

SAMP was too jank for me

MTA was more well coded

too bad all the good servers were in EU

the SAMP/MTA servers in NA are all spanish speaking

[boreal quartz]

@strange perch eehhhh mazing

i sure loved world of warcraft season 2 TWW

[latent moss]

ye mta was peak too

[fresh spire]

Pauck probs plays that horse game

[boreal quartz]

think he doesnt

i can check steam

[strange perch]

https://youtu.be/y2bgS44hdE4?si=cJMbHx2v9ddLk2QH

[strange perch]

what horse game

spam this horse to help sebastian fors

[tacit crystal]

what is forsen

[strange perch]

wtf is a walking

[fast wedge]

are we going to be ass this season? Im just coming back to prep for s3

[boreal quartz]

So echt

[boreal quartz]

If u started arms this ssn why not do it again

Ur used to it

• tuning is gamba

[fast wedge]

i thought it was pretty decent in s2??

what is gamba? lol im a grandpa

maybe i just thought arms was decent cus i also play shadow priest 🙂

[river ridge]

Gamba = Gambling.

Tuning is a crapshoot. Sometimes you're good. Sometimes you're bad.

Unless you're mage

[swift crown]

I beat this

The superior brown spec at the top

[tacit crystal]

mine doesnt show up

make it hsow uop

[swift crown]

Don't be a noob

[tacit crystal]

i see it

now

[latent moss]

goat

type shit

[boreal quartz]

Doppel U

Show key runners

Ur on mine with 6 runs

[tacit crystal]

xd

yeah bro

me wearing pvp gear counts as a huge upgrade

[swift crown]

Gio58

[boreal quartz]

I hope u get title

Next ssn for sure

[tacit crystal]

[rare kite]

i am so glad rookery is not in next season

[tacit crystal]

mutou

where is my warrior

[rare kite]

in the bin

[broken arrow]

as it should be

[void bay]

you went 2x arms warr?

[boreal quartz]

Baseg

[broken arrow]

probably once or twice lol

[latent moss]

L

[sour forge]

Notes today

[tacit crystal]

stop complaining

warrior is broken

[sharp wyvern]

bandit harder than mugz

[charred brook]

How do you find this chart

[sharp wyvern]

its the raider.io recap

[leaden eagle]

yaaa, it's rewind time

[charred brook]

Recap before season is over mf I got more in me still

[broken arrow]

250 pulls of being on autopilot while the ranged wiped us on Sprocket xD

[sharp wyvern]

lmao

mid tier bosses just being the hardest

what a fucked up raid

altho its not as bad as broodtwister

[latent moss]

ballstwister

[olive nest]

I really don’t understand why sprocket was so difficult after nerfs tbh

[heavy patio]

Getting people to not put screws where they shouldn't is of immense difficulty, apparently

[rare kite]

He's not it's just 1 person can wipe the entire raid. 1 random person

[strange perch]

You say it so sarcastically but it's just plain genuinely true.

[latent moss]

https://tenor.com/view/animal-jam-aj-classic-animal-jam-classic-outfitrater-gif-9451803844257721799

[fresh spire]

thank you for deleting who ever did

[void bay]

it was me

[fresh spire]

[strange perch]

Why did it...

Get deleted..

[latent moss]

pauck censored

[charred brook]

Balanced, as all things should be

[fresh spire]

[tacit crystal]

🥀

[spiral coral]

I only played with a sub rogue like once all season, same with affliction. Both those specs seem dead as fuck.

[olive nest]

Sub probably to complicated or something idk I haven’t tried it in a while

[icy mulch]

[icy mulch]

Sprocket was also our big hurdle. lol

[smoky kayak]

we will never be meta slaves

[icy mulch]

[dim basalt]

kek

[modest adder]

Do you guys know if any bis gear sims for PTR are done for arms/fury?

[lethal acorn]

I go to Arms church

[sharp wyvern]

based

[minor gust]

Sir you don't need a bis list

[sharp wyvern]

Bis list only gets relevant once we get turboboost and dinaars

[minor gust]

[spiral coral]

not me in kings rest, and the first boss dropping one item and me being like "oh, yeah, FUCK"

forgot the events over

[modest adder]

Sorry I meant like a sim that shows max gear DPS

Not which gear to get.

[minor gust]

Your not gonna like what you see. Are you sure you wanna see it? There's no going back you will not be able to unsee what you've seen

[modest adder]

I don't main warrior so I don't mind.

[minor gust]

Arms is at 4.990 Fury is at 5.521

[fresh spire]

Arms is at 5.25m Fury is at 5.8M

(after last weeks 5%)

[wanton sierra]

The only real context is arms vs fury, the rest irrelevant

And arms must be ahead, so we chill

[minor gust]

Noooo arms is supposed to stay below 5 mil nooooo

[latent moss]

fury eating very good

[fresh spire]

Void trinket died from delves

Back to using Seaform-raid Arcano trinket/Sacbrood

[minor gust]

Good I wasn't gonna bother with a delve trinket anyways

[fresh spire]

[minor gust]

I didn't in S2 and that will not change in S3

[fresh spire]

i dont mind them being ok in power

as long as mythic does beat it

we still lack a competitive 1.5m trinket

[sharp wyvern]

im getting huge dejavu :
-people are hyped that fury is ahead of arms
-then arms gets buffed ahead of fury
-people lose their minds
-fury ends up being better for raid cause adds

[latent moss]

crazy how we had one innit

couldve just nerfed it a bit

but it got shot in the head instead

[fresh spire]

they may rebuff it

tons of complains on forums we have no real good trinket

worst part is our best "on use" is a 2 min trinket we hold for avatar

[latent moss]

fuck that

im not playing a 2min

[fresh spire]

macro it

forget it

😄

still bruh

[latent moss]

make avatar 2 min

[minor gust]

I'm sure they will buff it cuz we're not the only ones hurting for 1:30 trinkets

Or just double passive it up since we got this sweet on use wep this tier

[latent moss]

corpse looting on cd

https://tenor.com/view/animal-jam-aj-classic-animal-jam-classic-outfitrater-gif-9451803844257721799

[strange perch]

@latent moss come play wow

Demonhunter havoc

Or hunter survival

[latent moss]

csgo and jambitool

[strange perch]

Maybe

I will make a new character

Conepog

Or maybe i will call it myrtuu

[boreal quartz]

conepog is a good name

make it a warrior perchance

[strange perch]

Will do

[latent moss]

https://tenor.com/view/animal-jam-aj-classic-animal-jam-classic-outfitrater-gif-9451803844257721799

[fresh spire]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/898928117136109639.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[strange perch]

Hey @latent moss conepog come to germany i will give you riches and fulfill all your desires i only need a deposit of 200€ you will get it returned and more

[latent moss]

u cant lure me

[gaunt owl]

hey guys i'm disappointed i'm only at 0.77 BAC

buff me plz

[latent moss]

12.0 come back to arms

[gaunt owl]

its still gonna be shite

i'm cheering for you guys

[latent moss]

read the manifesto old man

its gonna be peak

[gaunt owl]

pretty good idea in there

i read it

trying to prune the tree of the useless stuff

and combining some new and old stuff

[latent moss]

wod taste for blood

is so peak

[gaunt owl]

plenty of good design that were fun back then

[latent moss]

or is that mop

i forgot

[gaunt owl]

that they just scrapped all together forever

it was MOP

[latent moss]

its such a good talent

[gaunt owl]

sometimes blizzard forgot to just pull on the old drawer to see what was in there

they just prefer to have their own twist on everything and make new talent tree and hero talent

when they already had some good idea back then

just need to recycle them smartly

[latent moss]

nah id rather have a useless proc and a proc i have to look at 4 different buffs and determine whether or not to press it

[gaunt owl]

a proc should be pushed when its there

[smoky kayak]

you forgot the part where 3 weeks into the raid add damage is so devalued that Boomkin/DH blow them up even faster than we do and Fury drops like a rock to the bottom of the barrel

[gaunt owl]

easy dopamine

https://tenor.com/view/déjàvu-drift-anime-initial-d-car-gif-17211916

[sharp wyvern]

i assumed that happens with another arms buff

[latent moss]

arms buff

[minor gust]

[shadow ibex]

Double it

[gaunt owl]

Do you wanna take these buff or double it and give it to the next person

[shadow ibex]

take these buffs and double it

i pick c

[sharp wyvern]

Double it and give it to mages

[shadow ibex]

[gaunt owl]

mages never double it

[latent moss]

okay garmin

[gaunt owl]

they greedy and take it

[wanton sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

[naive sage]

Both cataclysm and mop arms talent trees had very cool ideas

[latent moss]

mortal strike number in 12.0 276k crit

ball knowledge required

[shadow ibex]

buff

[calm hollow]

are u drunk?

i cant see any cool idea here

at least Juggernaut was a good talent

[naive sage]

I would be content with bloodbath, vigilance and the banners

[calm hollow]

banners were baseline

and we should still have them imo, or at least 1

but choosing from roar, bs and shockwave is giga bad

[shadow ibex]

disrupt shout was hot ngl

[calm hollow]

sure its good, but "talent tree" sucked

its kinda weird too that MS is a generator and OP costs rage

after playing retail

[shadow ibex]

not having shockwave sucked but also wasnt m+ or any hard 5 man content that needed it cept cmodes

different type of game really

[calm hollow]

pvp?

but yea

[shadow ibex]

pvp personally bs all day

but idt has hard answer

[latent moss]

one of the highest damage instances in the game

[shadow ibex]

last raid of season

https://tenor.com/view/demolish-it-nyteowl-destroy-it-wreck-it-crush-it-gif-24388771

[fossil thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-demolition-kid-hammer-bath-gif-16445330

[charred brook]

https://i.imgur.com/yONMeYE.png

god bless boys i think we made it

1st season pushing

that was so stressfull

[minor gust]

[charred brook]

[sage badge]

Arms owns.

[ancient scroll]

arms owns

[minor gust]

in 12.0

🙏

[charred brook]

arms owns

[hexed saddle]

storm bolt

[hexed saddle]

W masochist

[fair tinsel]

CBT spec

https://tenor.com/view/gachibass-billy-gachi-herrington-gachi-clap-gif-13469126

[stable fiber]

cmodes didnt need shockwave anyways

you literally have to go bladestorm

there is not a single scenario where you ever take shockwave

[tacit crystal]

help me please man

[stable fiber]

would disagree, a majority of it is stuff that already is a thing lol

also majority dont impact dps and are purely utility, and the utility is already in our current kit on retail

[swift crown]

no

[quasi torrent]

ok necro

[swift crown]

had to expose your flawed logic

[quasi torrent]

proof by infalliblity

[sacred zodiac]

Another fallacious anda moment

The rigour of his argument is only slightly weaker than the contents of his chraracter

[swift crown]

truly a vacuous character he posesses what a shame

[thick hamlet]

how's arms looking for 11.2 bros

it's s+ tier in my heart anyway, but doesn't hurt to know

[swift crown]

not hot

[naive sage]

man’s not hot

[void bay]

Quik maff

[calm hollow]

its S+ tier

just from the bottom

[balmy kindle]

Surely we get a week 2 buff

[fresh spire]

Honestly? C tier raid b tier keys

Fury probs A tier for both

[sacred zodiac]

What tier would delaying your weapon craft to week 8 to snipe bis from a caster fall into

[fresh spire]

S tier

[sacred zodiac]

Holy hell

[fresh spire]

Casters ain't bros

Fuck mages

[icy mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/antistoic-stoics-the-stoics-stoics-nft-gabe-weis-gif-13674671775081699689

[halcyon pumice]

are we have any good video guides for mastering arms ?

[solar swift]

guys on how many targets I use cleave? Minimum +

[plush aurora]

i have done my +15 Prio today and we had this route:
https://keystone.guru/route/priory-of-the-sacred-flame/yL6deR1/priory-of-the-sacred-flame/1
i configuratet all BL and that shit and this is the sim of the route:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/72bGmvvfifq9RZPZCycjPA

But i did way more damage than my sim says, i did 4.95 Mio overall

is it just how the sim works, or why can it be that i did more damage than the sim

[fresh spire]

Check your buffs. In footer you have no battle shout

[boreal quartz]

psure those sims dont work for us icl

actually

[plush aurora]

oh

[boreal quartz]

id have to ask @sage badge if it works still

he implemented it and i lost sight of the current status

[plush aurora]

oh thanks yea i see it

[boreal quartz]

cuz its not something i use

[fresh spire]

Arms also have bare minimum set ups for arms apl

Like holding cds properly. On sims it should just send cds regardless of pack up/down time

[plush aurora]

yea true

[fresh spire]

As far as I know it will hold avatar only as I think its the only thing set up to hold. But everything else would be ripped when up

[plush aurora]

yea stuff like Sweeping Strike and Warbreaker probably just on cooldown on sim

but Revenger im not sure of

but thanks, helped alot ^^

[fresh spire]

Rav likely also

I dont remember seeing any hold lines

[wanton sierra]

damn i sent an message that is not allowed xD cant i edit it to become allowed?

[plush aurora]

u can write the message again, and maybe so that its allowed XD

[solar swift]

mortal strike and cleave shining on my bar at the same time a bit confusing. it even happens on single target. Do I press Cleave?

[wanton sierra]

i think its a bad word, but in my language is ordinary language xD let me fix it

[plush aurora]

depents on ur Target Situation

[solar swift]

can u clarify plz

[plush aurora]

if u infront 1 - 2 use Mortel, if u 3+ go for Cleave

[wanton sierra]

you never press cleave on ST, unless you got colateral stacked and you know the stack is not going to be used in aoe

[plush aurora]

and u not running out of rage, but probably i dnt need to tell u that xD

[wanton sierra]

holy shiewt man! huge gamer right here! i tried to push but pug life is no joke... some friend gathered up but we didnt push, last dungeon was like 2 months... id love to try to get 0.1% but now im old, i cant go trhough the night as i did... tons of work, 10pm im almost sleepin in my chair

[sleek crow]

Almost everytime I click on this server this is the exact message I see

[plush aurora]

[vast helm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/761040892970139649.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[solar swift]

is my crit too low im 680 and its 12.7

26%

[plush aurora]

get atleast 30%

16k is good

[eager sigil]

just sim and equip what it tells you

theres no fixed number

like get alteast 30% is just made up

[plush aurora]

yea

[wanton sierra]

i agree that the talent tree is not that good, but warrior kit is super fun... aoe cut, shouts that gives rage, defensive stance OP (25%) and second wind is the most op version too xD its 3% hp per second, you cant die, i was leveling, delivery arrived, i went down to get it and when i came back, i was alive with 35% with 6 mobs all around hittin me xD

havin fun playin pandaria classic

[fresh spire]

Bloodbath owned

New bloodbath suckkkkks

[wanton sierra]

im avatar boy, i know its 3 min cd... but im tauren now, i need to get bigger! hehehe TAURENGARB!!!

[fresh spire]

Unironically old bloodbath would play very well for colossus

[wanton sierra]

true, nice 1 min cd

[fresh spire]

Would work well with sks/arterial

More bleeeed

Imagine the bleed from demolish crits

[wanton sierra]

ye i was thinkin about that, 30% of tics of 15M aoe blast xD hard ticcin bleed

[fresh spire]

Bloodbath in to demolish and colat crits

[wanton sierra]

ok, im down, remove fatality and add old bloodbath

[fresh spire]

Only problem would be they need to make it so slayer wouldn't take it. With the cross over to bloodborne it's just asking to be taken over deft

Need to model the tree that it's behind battlelord and not able to be grabbed if jug

[wanton sierra]

let them have it

are u playin pandaria classic, mister krisp ?

[fresh spire]

Nah

I dont really enjoy the classic servers. More of a early sod enjoyer

[calm hollow]

shouts giving rage is fun, having 1 min cd on them, not really

for 5 mins uptime

[wanton sierra]

you can have an gliph that shortens its cd, but i agree with you

the idea behind is great, just a lil tunnin xD

[dreamy spire]

hey, do we need the delv belt in 11.2? or will it be replaced with the next best belt, with higher itemlevel?

[thick hamlet]

say it ain't so

[fresh spire]

It will be killed by higher ilvl belts

[thick hamlet]

arms is like high mid-ish currently in both raid and m+ yea?

i assume it's the same in 11.2

[fresh spire]

C tier raid imo. Needs another buff

[calm hollow]

your assumptions are wrong

[fresh spire]

Fury looks to be A tier

[calm hollow]

like a 10%, and would be almost at current fury level

[spiral coral]

Fury is absolutely going to gap Arms in raid

[fresh spire]

Arms will get buffed

[lucid thicket]

[wanton sierra]

xD we hope

[calm hollow]

they will buff juggernaut

[wanton sierra]

massively buff fatality? jeeez

[fresh spire]

It's too far behind to get left as it is

[shadow ibex]

i was just beiing generous really just incase someone wanted to be like actually aoe stun is gr8 for them

[calm hollow]

they will make jugger stack to 45, and each stack will give 1%, for 12 sec - developers note: we dont like the way Execute does damage, so we made sure you never reach max stacks while the boss is alive

[fresh spire]

Dev notes (fuck arms)

[shadow ibex]

arms buffs are gonna be so nice

cant wait

same playstyle

[calm hollow]

Rend does now 10% more initial damage.

[fresh spire]

Might still buff jug

[wanton sierra]

man this guy is gettin me mad! xD

how about new talent replacing fatality: every 6th ticin damage of rend procs an garantee criteed mortal strike

[shadow ibex]

atp i would just take fatal being MS chance to do ignite style bleed

inc dmg below 30% or w/e cuz lmao exe niche xD

[calm hollow]

They hate arms execute

we got a 10% nerf before the season even started

[shadow ibex]

too good in s1 raid last week

[spiral coral]

Really hoping on that, actually.

Kill Jugg, but, pls buff the hell out of it first.

[wanton sierra]

need help for deep focus here, plz share your best playlist... if i end this project im free to play all day long

[bleak dawn]

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/37i9dQZF1E8LhcL44auiNb?si=XeQ3snf-Q92JaXIrBd1g5g&pi=Fd8ANDFVRoyqS

[wanton sierra]

thanks big muffin! ill try this one

[bleak dawn]

👍🏻

[lofty pulsar]

ok so is executioners precision/strength of arms better than 10% extra bleeds/dreadnaught?

or is it so close it doesnt matter

[spiral coral]

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4CPZUol5WFTt9mPK205soC?si=wm3-nxb-QGq5M7qWIP2Bgg&pi=oiX_Vr_vTny14

[sharp wyvern]

If you ever think jugg is bad look at the shaman variance

[spiral coral]

[dim basalt]

Could you link the page please?

[spiral coral]

Ya where be mm and frost

[sharp wyvern]

i got only linked an image sry

[dim basalt]

Oh I see

[sharp wyvern]

only context i have is its ptr

[wanton sierra]

very nice! ty bro... i love to draw listening to songs, i mean... not singed songs, only soundtracks and instruments

[spiral coral]

Wait how is frost that high it was so high up I didn’t see it wtf

[olive nest]

Pre stacking gap

Hollyy

[latent moss]

warlock b tier

kalamazi on max tierlist video for 11.2

[tacit lodge]

Did I pick the wrong patch to go back to arms from 2 years of playing demonology?

[sharp wyvern]

nah tuning will still happen the next 2 weeks

[icy mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-box-gif-4154066459530846772

[sharp wyvern]

hey fury can still be nerfed

[icy mulch]

True true

Most likely will be

[latent moss]

why

would fury be nerfed

?

arms needs buffs

[sharp wyvern]

looks like the troll got trolled

[latent moss]

bro i had an exam my brain fried

unlucky

[icy mulch]

It's Blizzard, why would they start using logic?

[void bay]

Warrior not good at think. Warrior sad 🙁

[latent moss]

true

[fresh spire]

Blus post tonight with epic arms changes aurely

[icy mulch]

Surely

[shadow ibex]

Too good before raid opens

Like arms s2

[lucid thicket]

Daily reminder

[spiral coral]

glazing your own toxicity

[lucid thicket]

Am I wrong?

Blizzard seems to agree

[sharp wyvern]

but here is the thing

[lucid thicket]

He knows de wey

[sharp wyvern]

it doesnt look good on ptr

[fresh spire]

Fury looks OK now

Any time warrior looks op tho it always gets shot

[silk gull]

Does anyone know if the hovering rend and Deep Wounds are base nameplate or addon, whenever I do dungeons or raids I cant see when rend drops off because of DBM showing me enemy spells and I can't figure out how to move either

[shadow ibex]

i aint never told a lie in my life

[sage badge]

That should be default ui nameplate tracking. This is what it looks like for me with zero addons.

[silk gull]

@sage badge Thanks! I guess I need to figure out how to move the DBM spells then 🙂

[sage badge]

I believe.

[latent moss]

peak mog

[sage badge]

Thank you.

[fresh spire]

Holy shit

[shadow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-oh-my-cant-believe-gif-10115234

[latent moss]

hoooly

[fresh spire]

Insane transmog

The shell worked so well

[odd mist]

Should I recraft the cloak embellishment and get boots with embellishment or this doesn’t matter?

[slow saddle]

I mean when gearing who cares😆

Ideally its bracers + weap, until u get mythic weap vault

And dont waste marks on bracers or belt early

Embellish doesnt scale with ilvl so its just rly upgrade all optimize later. But bis craft is belt+ bracers later

[verbal marten]

Chat arms is retired next season

Make ur way to #fury

@stable fiber specially u

[dim basalt]

Why him

[sour forge]

Nah there’s gonna be notes today

[shadow ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-happy-funny-śmiech-gif-22074544

[lofty pulsar]

I’ve noticed Murlok uses mostly dreadnaught and bleeds whereas archimtiros recommends execute/mortal strike skill

Is there a big difference?

[icy mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-box-gif-4154066459530846772

[minor gust]

First is to never use sites like Murlok. 2nd you can either use the one archi has or 2 points in BB no FB or EP

Dreadnought or SOA is just an AOE vs ST choice. Do you want slightly more AOE or slightly more ST

[lucid thicket]

Murlok is for pvp chads

Because it's all feelycraft

[minor gust]

So useless got it

[dim basalt]

[gaunt owl]

yo guys this new patch so great

[shadow ibex]

why

[sour forge]

3 new mounts of course

[shadow ibex]

list them all

[gaunt owl]

you dont enjoy the new TFT patch ?

you should try some game where the devs care about the player

[sour forge]

Xalatoes, guardian Druid, helicopter weapons

[jade ember]

you can mount your Mortal Strike on the wall for display because Arms is dead ecksdee

[smoky kayak]

you wanna play Arms, log on MoP Classic

[fossil thistle]

Honestly facts

[boreal quartz]

good post

[wooden lava]

peak

[sage badge]

ty

[sharp wyvern]

max is live bluepost imminent

[strange perch]

Maximilian Liquidation

[sour forge]

Arms buffs today

Surely

[sharp wyvern]

best we can do is trinket buffs

[upper sundial]

what trinket seems to be very good for arms in ptr ?

[minor gust]

Sac + pacemaker or HOA trinket.

[wicked badger]

Would disagree pacemaker wouldent work at all.

try a difrent one

[minor gust]

Good for you

[dim basalt]

wha?

Did we receive a new ragebaiter

[icy mulch]

Yeah, he's literally sitting there waiting for WoWhead to update them.

[dim basalt]

Would be pretty funny if all we get is trinket changes

[fresh spire]

feel like if anything was coming today it would have earlier

[minor gust]

Nah still time

[candid pecan]

aint noway we go live like this, undertuned and without a good 90 sec trinket....

surely we wont play the 2 min trinket and use it with every other avatar right?

[olive nest]

That’s what I’ll be doing

They’re not making me keybind trinket

Kiss my b hind blizzard!

[thick kelp]

the 2min is best used with evry other avatar

[strange perch]

!timeout @olive nest 300s reason: slur

[olive nest]

Lmao

Don’t do it Xan don’t do it!

[boreal quartz]

!timeout @Brewjj 300s reason: slur

[minor gust]

There's always trinket tuning before release I wouldn't worry. Now if the raid comes out and there's still none then it's gg

[slow saddle]

Its time

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/761040892970139649.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[minor gust]

[thick kelp]

[grave mulch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/761040892970139649.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[rare kite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/761040892970139649.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[spiral coral]

[gusty nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/funeral-gif-12023008157633688479

[grand idol]

I just got dealt the pre-release content. I don't see much changing.

[jade ember]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/761040892970139649.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[sage bison]

are corruptions gone/disabled in 11.2?

[minor gust]

yes

[sage bison]

https://tenor.com/view/cillianmurphygun-cillianmurphy-jazmincoded-gif-3811002643797340103

ty

[jade ember]

At least they didn't take 80 hours to get like Shards of Domination

[robust cypress]

is there a sim with the different belt effects?

[fossil thistle]

No but you can

Just select different options in your sim 🤙

[shadow ibex]

that reminds me i havent upgraded mine since week 2

[sudden fox]

new tuning no warrior mention

[jade ember]

Fury is fine but they need to help Arms somehow

Not saying I would complain about more for Fury but ye

[fading sage]

Arms just connects better in my head compared to fury so I’m Sadge when I see fury doing better

[sudden fox]

Just wild

[fading sage]

I mean, could be the clown show we had in season 1 so I’ll take no changes compared to that

[minor gust]

holy its so dead

nothing for arms

[shrewd fox]

Seems like every time I'm asked to play warrior arms is deadge :[

Regardless, is there a bis guess list for arms/fury anywhere? The pins just take me to 11.1.7 guides/lists

Edit: for 11.2, that is

[minor gust]

guides will be updated for 11.2 when it drops next week

[shrewd fox]

That's what I figured, but I've been blind before lol. Thanks!

[vast helm]

sorry Bros im late.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/761040892970139649.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[random ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-coffin-coffin-dance-funeral-funny-farewell-gif-16737844

[shadow ibex]

Marvel vs Capcom 3 - Theme of Dr. Doom

[vast helm]

nothing for Arms still.

[ancient scroll]

[fair tinsel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1285353121102561311/dead-fury.gif

Just need one with warrior icon

[minor gust]

i got you

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1230008337517514772/1273720854383165601/dead-arms.gif

[icy mulch]

Was there any patch notes at all?

[golden smelt]

We've been completely abandoned, I've taken to whining on the forums, not that it will make any difference

[sullen oyster]

Bold strategy

[rare kite]

ofcourse, just not for us

[proud remnant]

maybe midnight we get a real rework with some thought put into it

[icy mulch]

Hmm DKs took a pretty decent hit.

Balance druid got nothing

Oh Fuck

LMAO

About fucking time.

Marksmanship

Trick Shots effectiveness reduced to 60% (was 75%).

About time they stopped stepping on SS's nuts.

[rare kite]

marksman still crazy good btw

[icy mulch]

That's fine, just glad Trick shots isn't absolutely shitting on Sweeping Strikes anymore. Was really silly that it was 6-8 at 75%

[olive nest]

no warrior adjustments

classic

[icy mulch]

God damn, everything on this list is a nerf.

Oh wait, no, of course Ret got buffed. lol

[rare kite]

unsure if WW is a nerf overall or not

idk them well enough

[charred brook]

when there is no mention of us in patch notes, just assume we will be nerfed during the race

[icy mulch]

Wow, subtlety got a buff. That's kind of surprising.

[shadow ibex]

8% is a good bit

[rare kite]

aye but they nerfed the tierset by alot

[icy mulch]

Yeah, maybe it's good we didn't get put in these patch notes. Yeeesh

[rare kite]

idk how big their tier is tho. but 8% aura is such a big number i'm only inclined to think it's a buff overall

[shadow ibex]

the 2pc got half but also just 2pc so idk how much power it was

[icy mulch]

Pretty big if I remember my guildie correctly.

[rare kite]

this is what ww discord sys

says*

[icy mulch]

So they're still coming out ahead, can't complain there.

I can only imagine the rage happening in the hunter Discord.

Even it's tier set bonus to aimed shot was chopped in half.

[celest forge]

I think I might just be garbage at arms...

[rare kite]

that's okay. arms is garbage next season anyway

go fury

[celest forge]

Well obviously I'll still do arms for m+

But I think fury is the way for raid

[rare kite]

next season fury ahead of arms in both

arms down bad

[celest forge]

Why?

Arms does double fury's AoE damage

[rare kite]

it does not next season

[celest forge]

Yikes

Is fury uncapped or is arms getting a nerf?

[boreal hawk]

Arms recived some nerf on the set while thane got buffed

[rare kite]

fury is getting a very very strong tierset for m+

[boreal hawk]

and both recived 5% dmg increase

[celest forge]

Oh neat

[rare kite]

thunderblast hits so goddamn hard next season

they also buffed meatcleaver

[icy mulch]

[sour forge]

Actually good in 5t pulls now lol

[boreal hawk]

Cr/bl waiting room