I’m probably gonna make a dh to stack mastery for speed
#fury
hidden stirrup
I do miss some of the Legion legendaries that gave DH stupid speed
inland flame
Marks to be able to shoot things that are out of your veiw distance
edgy widget
goated lego
south kayak
I hate the fact they disabled this
hidden stirrup
south kayak
Or made speed worse
edgy widget
less so without old War Machine, but still goated
south kayak
Like why
inland flame
I miss triple leap every day
hidden stirrup
old War Machine and old Speed Food
made farming Classic raids so much more bearable
edgy widget
I hate the fact they disabled this
because making people feel like they need to go back 3 expansions to get an otherwise completely useless legendary in order to go fast is kinda dumb
and it leads players to do stupid things like setup macros so they're constantly swapping gear while running from place to place in more modern parts of the game
south kayak
I think they could introduce legacy content items that you could help you with farming old raids etc
Like you get this from that raid
edgy widget
you ever watch something like Zelda speedruns where people constantly slide cancel in order to run 10% faster?
and think "wow this is stupid, but it's a gain!"
that's why they nerfed em
hidden stirrup
you ever watch something like Zelda speedruns where people constantly slide canc...
Mario N64 reverse jumping
specifically the Stair segment
edgy widget
Yeah I mean I pulled that one out of my ass, but there are plenty of examples from various games
south kayak
No but I know some video games that make you character faster by sliding so you do it all the time lol
hidden stirrup
it's gotten to the point that I slide everywhere I can even if it doesn't make me faster
south kayak
I think the only game it’s working well and intended is warframe lol
hidden stirrup
Warframe as Volt or Gauss is basically a blur anyway
edgy widget
yes, going fast is fun, yes aggramar's stride tech was cool
and no, nobody likes half-afk autorunning through big ass raids that are no longer dangerous
but you still gotta protect players from themselves, because "more/faster/stronger" is not always a better game experience, no matter how much players profess to wanting it
hidden stirrup
yes, going fast is fun, yes aggramar's stride tech was cool
and no, nobody likes...
People will inevitably minmax the fun out of something
edgy widget
pretty much - I think if they really wanted to solve the problem, there's probably a much easier way, like giving players a global speed buff inside legacy instances or something
hidden stirrup
pretty much - I think if they *really* wanted to solve the problem, there's prob...
Please and thank you
edgy widget
even then though, you'd still be slower than druids 🙃
edgy widget
what if
dense elbow
you get scaled to a template level, and got brann with you, and legacy content is now a delve 
south kayak
But I feel like a lot of people playing this game do stuff like that
hidden stirrup
I'm not sure I would run old content as delves tbh
south kayak
For example, if you clear this raid 5 times, you unlock an item that helps you
hidden stirrup
south kayak
Just a random idea
south kayak
I was a warrior so I just used bear tartare and stride
hidden stirrup
Tartare/stride/war machine
hidden stirrup
lol
dapper goblet
goobers like swordish shouldnt be allowed to get artifact appearances from mickey mouse legion remix without having suffered through the real one on March 28, 2017
south kayak
Nightmare?
south kayak
hidden stirrup
south kayak
When all you did was execute damage
hidden stirrup
with its infinite scaling
south kayak
99 jugg stacks, surely a good idea
hidden stirrup
(well, mostly infinite but no one hit 99 in an actual fight)
south kayak
Yeah
hidden stirrup
I do not miss old RB though
south kayak
Legion raging blow animation was actually bad imo lol
hidden stirrup
it was janky
hidden stirrup
random idea: Would putting Onslaught into Tier 2 instead of a capstone make it more viable?
south kayak
Rampage was also very janky
south kayak
Taking 2 seconds to finish
edgy widget
too bad you got targeted and dropped stacks so your Execute didn't do anything
hidden stirrup
edgy widget
old jugg was good for highlight reels, and for Asmongold to pretend he was good at the game, that's about it
hidden stirrup
"Oh boy, here I go having to do mechanics again. Surely this won't put me on the bottom of the list"
old jugg pretty much made us useless outside of execute phase
edgy widget
dropping stacks is fine as long as they can be stacked up again in a reasonable timeframe
hidden stirrup
cap it at like 15 and make it have higher value per stack
edgy widget
it's what I've suggested for Arms - change Jugg to a short duration but only ~5 stacks max, so yeah you might drop it, but you'll max it out again in 3 seconds
more like 6s duration/5 stack cap, but yeah
charred estuary
Old juggernaut is a tuning nightmare
hidden stirrup
3% per stack up to 99 stacks was beyond unreasonable
south kayak
Old jugg might have looked exciting but it was just bad in action
hidden stirrup
Argus, basically?
charred estuary
Or a boss that starts at 50
Or even worse constant adds that you have to snipe to juggle it
south kayak
I think argus fury rankings on wcl might be giga inflated because there are logs where nobody does anything for the last 20% of the fight so the fury can do damage lol
charred estuary
Just please no ty
5 stacks is fine make execute great again and 50% crit will feel great
hidden stirrup
ah yes, the Eonar fight where all I did was spam whirlwind
signal falcon
I miss Battle Cry
south kayak
ah yes, the Eonar fight where all I did was spam whirlwind
The fight where you needed an int trinket to do aoe
signal falcon
100% crit just makes the combat text pop so hard
charred estuary
Needs chaos bolt rules though or crit sucks
signal falcon
I think there was a weapon relic thingy for that
south kayak
Reck should be crit chance and damage
hidden stirrup
The fight where you needed an int trinket to do aoe
And everyone still farming Elisande for Convergence
south kayak
I think there was a weapon relic thingy for that
Yeah that’s the passive that increased critical strike damage during reck
hidden stirrup
so you had an int trink and a slot that you could never swap
south kayak
Or battle cry
compact knot
i know professions dont give you dps increases anymore, but they do bring some nice utility sometimes (alchemy gives 2 hr flasks afaik, stuff like this)
south kayak
And everyone still farming Elisande for Convergence
You could gamble it for argunite lol
compact knot
which 2 are the best
hidden stirrup
You could gamble it for argunite lol
I never won that gamble
signal falcon
And everyone still farming Elisande for Convergence
Underrated perk of titanforging/old loot being good, you could get a group for any raid at any time lol
south kayak
I never won that gamble
F
hidden stirrup
let's NOT bring back Titanforging
south kayak
Nobody is bringing it back
hidden stirrup
I don't want to have to rely on RNG again for the good loot
south kayak
It’s been 8 years
hidden stirrup
NOT LONG ENOUGH
brittle crow
we should bring back azerite power
hidden stirrup
south kayak
Based
hidden stirrup
"CHAMPION! YOU HAVE TO GET THE AZERITE!"
brittle crow
open WOOUNS
hidden stirrup
I am still convinced that Magni has the hots for Azeroth
brittle crow
no id be like thank fucking christ this game sucks
signal falcon
I remember getting 395 boots off of a +7 vault first week of BFA
hidden stirrup
(not that the PVP items were ever good)
dense elbow
(i liked em being split, btw, PvP and PvE)
hidden stirrup
honestly, yeah
signal falcon
Even then I remember thinking “I don’t deserve this” lol
hidden stirrup
how many tangents have we gone on at this point? I've lost track of the conversation
south kayak
Adhd conversation
inland flame
Guys its just not real. Pauldrons of Za'qul just don't exist.
summer quail
Fury Warriors are all ADHD
Fury,havoc and enhance. Giga adhd specs
slim coral
Fury,havoc and enhance. Giga adhd specs
don't forget outlaw
hidden stirrup
Outlaw is the Gambler's spec
the dice giveth and the dice taketh away
A single 5 roll, PLEASE
undone flower
I think outlaw gambling is the most unique gameplay we have in wow
Too bad Blizz didn’t made an animation of a dice getting rolled with a face showed (like a base game WA)
hidden stirrup
me and the boys all called it Troll the Bones for how much it screwed the 1 guy playing Outlaw
summer quail
don't forget outlaw
Tru. Only rogue spec i like
sullen dove
2 casts of thunderous roar does 1% of my damage on vexie 
something gotta be wrong there right
or that actually normal
junior gale
slim coral
Tru. Only rogue spec i like
Outlaw is like crack
smoky vale
@sullen dove can i have a hug
smoky vale
sullen dove
surely i just take spear tho
and like 1-2 rampages and a bs/unhinged does more than roar is doing rn
i thought it was supposed to be dog ass on ptr not live
summer quail
ofcourse it's ass on live as well. hasn't gotten buffed
only reason spear is less dogwater is coz of champions might
but even then, that's less than whatever the crit talent is called
winter shoal
Is there a way to make a level 80 character on PTR without copying
Like if I don't have that class at 80 on live
edgy widget
there is a premade character option yeah, should be bottom middle of the screen
winter shoal
That one's only for level 70 tho innit
edgy widget
I thought there was 80 as well, but idk
rose bay
maybe dr will catch a 10% nerf and then i can drop a butten from my rotation
winter shoal
rose bay
You may be able to boost the charecter once its made
edgy widget
yeah in beta they had an npc that would boost you to 80, not sure if they still do that though
winter shoal
Oh good shout let me check
summer quail
Is there a way to make a level 80 character on PTR without copying
i do not think so. i leveled my hunter through timewalking on live to test it, played it like 20m then logged out hahah
smoky vale
@hallow sphinx ptr tn?
inner zinc
why wouldnt it crit?
hallow sphinx
<@204367291767324672> ptr tn?
maybe
hallow sphinx
so no reason to throw it in spear
I remember doing this on raz but honestly cant remember
winter shoal
wrecking cant crit rite
sims seem to say it doesn't crit so I assume this is correct
sullen dove
yea i didnt think it did either
winter shoal
slim coral
Just put the roar in the bag
oblique trail
sims seem to say it doesn't crit so I assume this is correct
It do be correct
Even if the tags sometimes are missing, or at least hard to find, it's quickest to just check to see if there's a flag for it
winter shoal
Even if the tags sometimes are missing, or at least hard to find, it's quickest ...
Something something CD spell data 
sudden tusk
2 casts of thunderous roar does 1% of my damage on vexie <:gladge:96397013770110...
troar blows
olive wraith
3% overall in keys
sullen dove
where is the lie
undone flower
I can’t find any argument against this point
flat river
I can’t find any argument against this point
i have one
just delete the entire game from existence
wait that's with
mb
u right
undone flower
I can’t find any argument saying : deleting France in WoW will not stop the horde-alliance war, not even « France is not on Azeroth » is valid bc HOW would I know that
sudden tusk
so
after going through the past couple crit vods
i saw a ton of dooming about warrior getting gapped still and that just not the case?
blissful delta
when are we not dooming?
drowsy heron
we're getting gapped by the OP classes, but i think most classes we're relatively even with
robust basin
willow cradle
nice job dude
modest condor
grats
drowsy heron
gratz
sudden tusk
gz
slim coral
GRATS
drowsy heron
i do love the MT s3 set, feels so good getting to hit TB like 3-4 times in a row lol
also, is Spear going to be the go to for next season? was playing around with it an TR on PTR just now and spears seems to be doing more
storm birch
Congrats let’s goooooo
slim coral
roar is kinda god awful
*Roar is god awful
sudden tusk
roar prob needs like a 60% flat buff
drowsy heron
would we want the Spear capstones or Cruel strikes for Thane?
raw magnet
Make shattering/shattering throw good in pve
Make it worth way more than a regular global vs armor as opposed to worse
gilded pawn
Make shattering/shattering throw good in pve
they already are
only reason its worse is because it doesnt interact with kit
its doing more raw damage than a BT
less than rb i believe
raw magnet
they already are
Shattering throw definitely isn't cuz it's a charged attack
1.5 sec cast
only pvp valuable
sudden tusk
they would be decent but the issue is its locked behind a non throughput talent
so only slayer realistically has the ability to get it decently
our talent point econ sucks so our utility options are severely limited
raw magnet
I guess checking back the passive damage it does is 750k or so
Thought it was a lot less
Still not worth talenting into
slim coral
roar prob needs like a 60% flat buff
more like 100
it does like 2-3 percent of your overall
and is suppose to be a "major" cd
raw magnet
Except in pvp obv cuz rip bubble
gilded pawn
Shattering throw definitely isn't cuz it's a charged attack
I meant wrecking but yeah
Shatter doesn’t need to be viable on pve
That’s not its purpose
raw magnet
Wish it was
red berry
roar being buffed by 60% would be massive for arms
not that it wouldnt be big for fury
it just has actual iinteractions
which is something that should be addressed for fury
although i wouldnt know how you'd do that
raw magnet
it just has actual iinteractions
But I no like skullsplitter
flat river
although i wouldnt know how you'd do that
make thunderclap apply CSHB
red berry
it would be nice
raw magnet
make thunderclap apply CSHB
Wasn't there a tierset in dragonflight for arms where sudden death executes caused a thunderclap with double damage
drowsy heron
yes, think it was season 2 or 3
sudden tusk
S2 it was great
sudden tusk
but i dont think they'll ever add it becuase it automates rend
red berry
making thunder clap cast rend would be a way to certainly add to our AoE
and buff roar
at least its capstone
red berry
yes i know, hence 'making'
before TWW live dropped
rend was in the fury talents
they did remove it, though
obviously
raw magnet
I don't have an opinion on giving fury more bleeds as good or bad addition
red berry
the issue is the capstone just doesn't do much for fury. its good for arms and for protection
sullen tendon
like bro i want the rag mount
ive got the opposite problem where ive already gotten the rag mount and duplicates from him since like 2014 and ive ran firelands so many times since then and the alysrazor mount has never dropped
undone flower
I don't have an opinion on giving fury more bleeds as good or bad addition
Me too, I’m not quite sure myself, do I find passive damage fun on fury ? Idk
But it does help on uptime reliance
But do I like this kind of help (free, easy, outside of me) on uptime relience ? Do I want help in the first place ?
fading sky
Roar buff for collosus arms with more bleed dmg into sks could be fun y
Also a way of buffin arms more than fury which prob is needed with current tuning
sudden tusk
die sks
red berry
the idea of more cshb on mobs would be good
heavy galleon
Fuck bleed we want burst
heavy galleon
Cshb and OF are enough as DoT
flat river
huge survivability
flat river
Cshb and OF are enough as DoT
we are litterally saying CSHB should be applied by thunderclap/thunderblast
we are not saying to add a dot
lmao
heavy galleon
Just the wrong thing is everything was strong is now trash
CSHB is weak than what it was at BFA
As OF is now weak than what it was to Legion
smoky vale
we are litterally saying CSHB should be applied by thunderclap/thunderblast
are my stats good?
heavy galleon
Too much mastery ?
flat river
are my stats good?
you need more mastery ftw
also fuck u why are u playing smf
wait thats frost dk
nvm
i realized from the runes
heavy galleon
Oh it's your fault they keep this fucking talent, go die or mop classic
Haha
Nice
flat river
Oh it's your fault they keep this fucking talent, go die or mop classic
are u good
xD
bro woke up and chose violence
flat river
heavy galleon
FDK seems so good for M+ next season
flat river
FDK seems so good for M+ next season
then go play dk
heavy galleon
But fury forever 😎
inland flame
Imagine being this unfaithful
You're going to stay in this toxic relationship and like it
flat river
xd
heavy galleon
🤣
heavy galleon
Did you see the grapic on twitter saying warrior is the less représentated class for 0.1 M+
flat river
least*
inland flame
A lot of people did Crit showed it on his stream
flat river
drowsy heron
I mean its not surprising. Little utility and super hard capped aoe
inland flame
Don't worry I heard that we're gonna knock Rally down to 5% soon. Still too powerful in dungeons.
olive wraith
Less than rogue?
drowsy heron
If we're lucky maybe they fix some of the bigger issues come midnight. But that is the copium take
inland flame
Since the titles started, ya.
olive wraith
Seems about right t
inland flame
God comp season be wildin
mossy pelican
Thats just a random cap from the middle
ty i was so confused
inland flame
I did point out that it's an animation but ig that didn't do enough lol
mossy pelican
ye i didn't click on the actual link so it just opened up the thumbnail and i was like i'm pretty sure there was more than 2.6k last season alone
inland flame
Ya 22.5k titles handed out so far apparently
undone flower
Fucking Evoker
Under represented on the chart since it goes back to before evoker existed
smoky vale
auug is the problem btw
fading sky
You're going to stay in this toxic relationship and like it
Fact, we allready dedicated so many years together
My warrior and i
fervent turtle
yo, any chance Slayer is viable in M+ in 11.2?
fervent turtle
good. thane not smoof
fading sky
yo, any chance Slayer is viable in M+ in 11.2?
Depends
Viable how?
Thane is gonna be a lot bettrt
But for a 12 who cares
raw magnet
Don't worry I heard that we're gonna knock Rally down to 5% soon. Still too powe...
If they do that I am not taking the talent
Out of protest
covert blaze
holy fk is that schmidi
gleaming siren
bitter palm
holy fk is that schmidi
hi gio
dense sedge
Just started blasting through keys on my warrior I know it's the end of the season is it worth crafting two weps, I'm not gonna get mythic BIS
Currently got a shit 658 offhand
COuld buy heroic track bis and possibly get wrists
dense sedge
aye so probs worth at this point
fresh jay
Yea
dense sedge
cheers bro
fresh jay
Weapons > everything else
dense sedge
BONKS > EVERYTHING ELSE
charred estuary
Man on paper slayer should be so good in aoe
Bladestorm is 200% attack power times 8 ticks if stacked up before
So depressing that no other button does damage
vernal laurel
Man on paper slayer should be so good in aoe
Bladestorm is 200% attack power t...
Could be good if they change the 4-Piece to include Execute
charred estuary
Yeah I think a lot of people would have preferred that
hollow juniper
Slayer or thane for m+? S3
charred estuary
I'd like to see it be 20% on rampage or execute
bitter palm
Slayer or thane for m+? S3
thane
low folio
It is awkward that slayer is behind in aoe even though it has higher target count aoe capabilities
It should get better with higher target counts but just somehow still lacking after so many buffs to bladestorm and the tier+ buff to reap the storm a while back
red berry
even if execute had 4piece, the procrate is still abysmal no matter what and blood thirst is the only way to reliably proc reaping
low folio
Nah execute would be better' you could go all in on BT and execute for dungeons and it would work better
For aoe atleasy
low folio
Bt definitely.feels like it.procs reap more
red berry
more then you can possibly press execute even sudden deaths as common as they are
low folio
Didn't mean to type the periods there
red berry
yes, because it does. 67% at 5 targets
but the stacks for raging blow only work for one mob just like it would only work for one mob with execute
low folio
Executes reduce bladestorm cd and can nearly guarantee crit with the execute talent
low folio
With rb in the picture there is too much competition for rotation
steady breach
Hey guys, super mid CE player here
Guild keeps losing warriors and people rolling off warrs
Debating going warr myself
Does warr still have execute niche? I see fury doesnt press it practically while arms can focus it.
Do you bring a war for the buff regardless of tuning?
inland flame
Your raid should always have one for Shout at least
warm crag
theres always a warr in a raid ye but next tier might have prot instead of a dps warr with current tuning which is not exactly final
if you truely are a super mid CE player as you claim then you going dps warrior and playing that solidly will make you unbenchable
steady breach
Huu haa and please one last thing that maybe guides wont say
Is there anything gimmicky or clunky in the rotation? Stuff like cancel aura macros for buffs or such. Idm pressing blade storm on ST and learning few arms execute conditions if it feels it makes sense
jolly marten
again im not the best fury warrior around and died 1-2 times in this run but that almost double my dmg hurts a lot.. are we sure that fury is fine now?
lucid root
man just got back in
not a huge fan of this forced bladestorm or thunderclap in the rotation
oak garden
Yeah, i mean you neef to play clean. If you die 1-2 Times on your opener with CD its rip.
fading sky
again im not the best fury warrior around and died 1-2 times in this run but tha...
thane?
low folio
Huu haa and please one last thing that maybe guides wont say
Is there anything g...
it doesnt matter atm since slayer lets you use kicks during bladestorm but in the past we had to cancelaura macro bladestorm if we wanted to kick a cast mid BS
fading sky
Coz i saw crit do morw
In his stream
So u prob doin somethin wrong
Ofc mm is brokem
jolly marten
😄 not being crit aint doing something wrong
you can watch here the replay, i died in bosses
fading sky
Watchin dks pov dont help me much🤣
lilac snow
where can i find talents used in ptr?
sharp bluff
if i play slayer would I considerably fall behind thane warriors in m+, slayer just feels better overrall, ravager in pugs is so bad
i like the shockwave and slayer feels better with survivability too
low folio
im pretty sure factually thane would be tankier but i do enjoy the slayer playstyle
sharp bluff
i do too, question is will I do my myself a disservice by playing it in m+
low folio
i dont know much about how it will actually compare to thane in practice but it will be still fine in M+. might be a problem if your pushing for title
like regardless, slayer in season 3 will be better than thane in season 2
so you wont be super bad like in season 2
sharp bluff
that's what I asked yesterday, i figured, its after the chnages that archim posted right?
low folio
ya
sharp bluff
yea slayer is way better, it feels better to me, thane feels very convulated when you have to interrupt your rotation with the thunderblast procs
jolly marten
Watchin dks pov dont help me much🤣
i died half way last boss and it wasnt my fault, healer died first. i would have done more dmg cause in ST i catch up with MM but still... we need more i believe
low folio
ya you should still be fine with playing slayer if you want. before thane got its tier buffed, slayer was ahead even on aoe so its not like thane dwarfs it in damage, just gonna be better
shy atlas
Why does it say spear
whilst top50 all play roar
like no one plays spear in top 50 ata ll
low folio
i think people are talking about spear for the next tier
shy atlas
No1 uses spear?
thick fossil
It's what they're testing on the PTR. Which right now is more useful than roar.
thick fossil
Roar is easier to use, buy spear is going to provide a lot more damage when used properly.
fading sky
In ptr ofc
shy atlas
So those are not usefull for current season
or atleast the pic in it isnt
fading sky
Atm no
fading sky
Id rather spear than current weakass shitty roar
bitter palm
again im not the best fury warrior around and died 1-2 times in this run but tha...
on ptr ye
only a 12 priory but still
my dps would only go up
with higher keys
bitter palm
5mil is very low for thane
jolly marten
and to be fair the tank pulled around MM hunter all the time
jolly marten
Crit is the 0.1% guys. hes not a metric
shy atlas
This was +12 prio on live, this solid then?
or ass
recently picked up fury warrior tbh
thick fossil
We really are headed back to Shadowlands it seems.
bitter palm
Crit is the 0.1% guys. hes not a metric
i havent done it myself. waiting for friends to do proper keys on ptr
thick fossil
Next thing ta know ppl will be using bladestorm with Thane. Then the portal to Shadowlands will be complete.
low folio
i wish bladestorm made sense to use on thane
sharp bluff
what do you mean
low folio
i like it more
low folio
in shadowlands warrior used to spear bladestorm packs for burst
shy atlas
spear bladestorm was mad l0l
jolly marten
the thing is it worth to even run Ravager as it stand right now?
jolly marten
we run it pretty much for the unhinged
thick fossil
Yeah, cause you can just continue normal rotation.
low folio
i mean ravager exists to use more tblasts buts its not exactly big outside of that
bitter palm
generates rage
heals you
cause bt
doesnt have to be if the core rotation is good which it is
jolly marten
we pretty much takei cause its nothing better to take
thick fossil
Ravager isn't a great button by itself, unhinged carries the load.
bitter palm
it plays along nicely
low folio
i still prefer bladestorm personally
jolly marten
and thats why we need a rework
yesterday
picking shitty talents just because other are shittier
low folio
i dont use bs on thane but i think its a cooler ability
bitter palm
picking shitty talents just because other are shittier
ravager isnt shitty
the point of it
thick fossil
Can you imagine a talent called thunder storm. It let's you clap while bladestorm is active.
bitter palm
is to let you continue ur rotation while giving you more rage and procs
humble shadow
Can you imagine a talent called thunder storm. It let's you clap while bladestor...
That actually sounds sick
thick fossil
I'd slap it in the hero talent tree.
celest anchor
frosty scroll
low folio
although i think if BS became so strong that it forced ravager to the side on thane, slayer would probably just become better because it gets a lot more bladestorms
south kayak
is to let you continue ur rotation while giving you more rage and procs
Yeah that’s exactly what it’s for
Now I’m curious about something
Does the BT from unhinged give you the same rage as a normal BT cast
oblique thistle
is to let you continue ur rotation while giving you more rage and procs
The problem I have with ravager is it takes a second to get going
Once it gets going it's fun with all the extra rage
But actually pressing the button feels hollow
Archi talked about it a while ago and mentioned that whirling blades could come in to play for our rework, the passive ravager thing that prot now has
He also suggested tying ravager to one of our offensive CDs too
oblique thistle
It's a passive talent prot has that lets you proc a free shorter ravager
Less control but more overall uptime
south kayak
He also suggested tying ravager to one of our offensive CDs too
I’ve always thought that it made sense that reck just drops down ravager when you press it
Less cds
modest condor
i actually like that it takes a second for rav to get going because that means i can spend the first tblast i got from avatar so i dont overcap
umbral whale
are we still dooming on dps war for s3
south kayak
No
modest condor
between the tierset and the buffs from this week (and the seismic bug that got fixed unfortunately) we're gaining like 20-25% dps on 5 targets compared to s2, so we might actually be one of the strongest in our target cap now
oblique thistle
i actually like that it takes a second for rav to get going because that means i...
Still the global feels kinda stinky to press when the alternative would be you either
A) proc it and press tblast instead
Or
B) press CDs to drop it and press tblast instead
south kayak
I also think avatar on the class tree should be a passive that increased your damage during reck by 20% @oblique thistle
modest condor
we still wont compete on the big 15 target lust pulls, but that's not necessary if we're actually good in the rest of the dungeon
oblique thistle
I also think avatar on the class tree should be a passive that increased your da...
I mean this could be interesting but I think it does approach some dangerous territory of becoming too samey with outlaw rogue
Their CDs all get reduced by doing stuff, if all we had was reck and we played AM we wouldn't really be any different except we have one CD and they have a bunch more
south kayak
One main dps cd and then BS/Ravager for aoe
That’s all we need
Delete TR and Spear
I don’t know about OF either
forest ginkgo
Spark burst currently sims higher for me while critical chain is about 5k less of a dps increase, should i listen to raidbots or just go for the main recommended one critical chain?
oblique thistle
I would really like it if OF actually followed their philosophy as defined previously as an impactful, signature ability
Right now it doesn't do that job
So hopefully they cook up something to make it worthwhile
south kayak
I think we have too many dps cds and none of them do anything lol
TR, Spear, OF, reck, avatar
oblique thistle
I don't know what the right answer is without making it like other classes short cds
south kayak
We need to put these together somehow
umbral whale
between the tierset and the buffs from this week (and the seismic bug that got f...
with tier set is thane at least respectable in larger pulls on aoe in m plus or still lacking
south kayak
And make a few strong cds
south kayak
with tier set is thane at least respectable in larger pulls on aoe in m plus or ...
It is respectable
Not like strong or anything but pretty good
oblique thistle
We can at least contribute more in mass AOE than before thanks to the tier ser
Certainly better than what we have now
south kayak
A lot better
oblique thistle
Feels fun to play too
rocky sequoia
did cata have dungeon finder?
oblique thistle
I completely disagree with arcane being down there
modest condor
boomkin should be in terminal victim complex
oblique thistle
Holy fuck those guys complain about their rotation more than any other class
south kayak
Lmao yeah arcane are giga complainers
dusky moon
https://twitter.com/_GR3/status/1946745749179596812
@winter shoal
I like how none of you disagree about where fury is placed though
dusky moon
Lmao
oblique thistle
Granted I would say it's particularly bad this season after we got shot in the head 27 times for the sins of season 1
gleaming siren
https://twitter.com/_GR3/status/1946745749179596812
Way too obvious that it's a DK player posting that
oblique thistle
But in season 1 a lot of the complaining got squashed on the regular because we were still good in the raid even after the nerfs
gleaming siren
DKs are professional victims
oblique thistle
Also I could not agree more with the ret placement that tier name was practically made for them
Although I could see them being higher tbh
Those guys doom over everything even though their spec has it all
rocky sequoia
they have brez now all of a sudden?
oblique thistle
I think that was a massive mistake btw
Giving paladin a bres opened Pandora's box
rocky sequoia
may as well give mages one now too
oblique thistle
Now everyone who doesn't have lust or a bres has ammunition for why they deserve one to increase their viability in M+
We complain about it all the time
Rogues now too
south kayak
Giving paladins cr makes so much sense tbh
south kayak
Rogues now too
Rogues are fine
rocky sequoia
do professions matter anymore? i liked that engineering used to have brez when only a couple of classes had it
oblique thistle
Thematically appropriate sure, but for gameplay reasons I think it was a mistake
oblique thistle
All their specs are doing well in m+
They bring good damage and single target stops, shroud and that's it right?
south kayak
that doesn't matter because damage is king
oblique thistle
I mean I guess that's good enough if your damage is good
oblique thistle
Yeah true
radiant plank
https://twitter.com/_GR3/status/1946745749179596812
man how is arms professional whiners
oblique thistle
Wtf is surv doing for your group other than damage lol
clever belfry
meow
south kayak
meow
slim coral
man how is arms professional whiners
People misconstrue actual class issues with whining
nocturne dragon
compact siren
@flat river can you PLEASE cook something for me
nocturne dragon
<@451392607495520257> can you PLEASE cook something for me
bitter palm
Archi talked about it a while ago and mentioned that whirling blades could come ...
ye that would be cool ye
ashen pine
remove the limit of 5 targets in midnight has the right to exist?
golden badge
remove the limit of 5 targets in midnight has the right to exist?
nah, since qwik quit they hate warriors
south kayak
People misconstrue actual class issues with whining
Doesn't mean you can't whine about them
ashen pine
nah, since qwik quit they hate warriors
I hate blizzard. How are they smart enough to make a target cap with such low damage. But Unholy DK feels great with a soft cap of 30 targets
inland flame
It's okay its not like we're stuck with the target cap for the rest of forever until the servers close
Surely
fading sky
People misconstrue actual class issues with whining
I mean, i hope thats why
dense elbow
Surely we get to enjoy the last season without being 5-30% behind on DPS in m+
surely
bitter palm
man how is arms professional whiners
fr
fading sky
Surely we get to enjoy the last season without being 5-30% behind on DPS in m+
...
Id take 5%-10%🤣
bitter palm
no one talking about it
fading sky
5% coz we bring ap
marble pilot
Are we still that far back with thane stuff?
marble pilot
So dooming just cause now?
I thought we were alright with thane m+ slayer raid.
dense elbow
Thane is usually around the 7-8m mark, while others are around the 8-9, some outliers still doing 10+
fading sky
But kitty
We are prio target dealers!!!
So its ok
We prio what ever 5 we randomly hit
😅
But 7-8 others 8-9 we can live with that r?😅
dense elbow
10-20% lead on ST, makes up for 10-20% less overall.
Let's just hope all the bosses are forced ST, and there is no way to drag funnel under em 
fading sky
Well isnt funnel also decent on thane
As in we tb anyways..
Doesnt add st dmg though ofc
I forgot whats funnel for a sec
dense elbow
slim coral
Doesn't mean you can't whine about them
Yeah I know I’m just saying we are from far the wow whiners in terms of classes lol
fading sky
Yeah I know I’m just saying we are from far the wow whiners in terms of classes ...
Mage lock
Are classes ive mostly noticed
dense elbow
Ret, Lock, Mage and Rogues. They are top 5 and complain as if they are unplayable.
"I only do 1 million more overall DPS than a Fury Warrior" the rogue cries with tears of blood, pulling their hair out by the fistfuls
fading sky
Ye havent seen many ret tears lately
But theyve been kindda great since df rework
And everytime they arent they get tuned
dense elbow
Ya didn't see how the sky was falling when they lost spinnyhammer?
dense elbow
Meanwhile we sit here with a bladestorm equal in value of half their wake of ashes
fading sky
Meanwhile i c outlaw and ass fuck
fading sky
Meanwhile we sit here with a bladestorm equal in value of half their wake of ash...
And wake isnt even that strong
I mean these classes feel like if they arent meta game is dead
Or meta in dmg
marble pilot
Thane is usually around the 7-8m mark, while others are around the 8-9, some out...
Surprised thane isnt a bit higher. The sims had us at 8 before the change. Though I guess thats constant aoe not m+ overall
fading sky
When i saw crit he was round 10m most pulls
But then bosses
10m when packs where dead
dense elbow
That sounds like current live tho 
AoE we end at 10m ish, others at 20m ish
Then things avg down to 5m ish and 6m ish
fading sky
Y he avg down to 10m
marble pilot
10m every pull and having a slight lead on st doesnt sound bad. Unless our st lead has diminished
marble pilot
Yeah I havnt seen anyone elses numbers really other than highlight clips which you cant really trust
fading sky
But app fdk's changes has made spec play rly well
marble pilot
Yeah im debating leveling mine as an alt. Just looks fun. I used to love dk back in mop/early legion
marble pilot
I saw soemthing saying that 2h vs 2 1hr was actually pretty close
marble pilot
Imagine if smf was close. I dont love it and wish it would go away. But I dont hate people having options. Make flexing to prot easier
sullen dove
That sounds like current live tho <:peepostudy:617259554530656262> AoE we end at...
what are you smokin
ending at 20mil in a pack literally never
maybe armsge
marble pilot
nah tblast slaps now from what ive heard
sullen dove
yea on ptr but current live ain’t no way
marble pilot
Well no one is talking about live. Unless I missed something
sullen dove
kitty57
marble pilot
I am bad at reading so probably missed it
sullen dove
inland flame
Its aight we're all warriors here no one can read
marble pilot
I like the books with pictures
earnest canyon
I like the books with pictures
I like the ones with the pictures that I can color in
inland flame
I really challenged myself and got through The Very Hungry Caterpillar the other day
Took me like 2 months
sullen dove
oblique thistle
thick fossil
https://tenor.com/view/monster-hunter-world-palico-food-gif-19939521
Man, Monster Hunter just makes in game food look so god damn good.
oblique thistle
Meanwhile we sit here with a bladestorm equal in value of half their wake of ash...
Ret damage is just aoe pad anyways
winter shoal
<@138757776707944448>
At least one DK spec should be up top I think but otherwise bang on
light sandal
How is everyone simming their mythic plus gear? My sims are back n forth between circlet/ Diamond vs Ring of earthern/ Diamond.
Dungeon Slice? that actually seems accurate based on m+ performance numbers
or patchwerk ? Patchwerk 1.5 with 10 targets has me using jasper/circlet
oblique thistle
cmon dude stop comparing us to broken meta specs, there will always be meta spec in world of warcraft!!
dense elbow
k
quiet breach
tepid cedar
i do that with my GM ring
dense elbow
GM ring?
tepid cedar
yea uncle ian gave me a cool ring tha when i put it on i somehow 1 shot any mob
dense elbow
I fail to see the context, and it is far too hot to that I care to try
sullen dove
O u meant not warrior ending at 20
real then
couldn’t have warrior anti dooming only real dooming allowed
tepid cedar
I fail to see the context, and it is far too hot to that I care to try
why u so grumpy today
want a hug
dense elbow
Because it is fucking 30+ degrees
marble pilot
Dang thats pretty cold
tepid cedar
i think hes on that bullshit celsius shit
marble pilot
0-100 doesnt even make sense
tepid cedar
jokes aside leave it to us dumbass americans to be the only country with different metrics
marble pilot
Woah woah woah. Liberia uses imperial as well
Probably 10s of WoW players their and any one of them could be in here
olive wraith
0-100 doesnt even make sense
So feet/yards are better
dense elbow
marble pilot
Toering will be the legendary of midnight
fresh jay
Them grippers will end ur world soul
flat river
Because it is fucking 30+ degrees
normal tuesday in egypt
It's 8:39 PM in egypt right now
And it's 33 degrees
flat river
xd
polar narwhal
I love this visual bug, please make it something permanent, Blizzard
flat river
he's got an arsenal
dense elbow
Yeah, the shield visual bug is always fun
flat river
Yeah, the shield visual bug is always fun
it's not the shield it's the 2 2-handers
he's playing prot
i think
cause he has prot weapons out
dense elbow
Either way, he swapped spec in a LFG dung
dense elbow
No? You got it outside that way of things
polar narwhal
Characters screen had Fury gear loaded for some reason
dense elbow
Well, at least you look like a warrior ready for anything
polar narwhal
Except dealing damage
dense elbow
dense elbow
I wont do that, I am not hiding that I play Slayer Fury
flat river
xd
dense elbow
I stand proud
flat river
I stand proud
will u still play slayer next season
mountain thane looks bussin
the tier set
dense elbow
Probably, I prefer Slayer - clappa never vibed with me
flat river
or will u play clappa as prot only
marble pilot
Im excited to be clappin next tier.
dense elbow
You should be, too. Cause it looks to be great
marble pilot
I know its a problem everyone has. But hopefully 4 set doesnt take too long
dense elbow
As slayer, I only need (2), and (4) can wait a bit. So that feels good
marble pilot
Probably play slayer in raid still. I havnt looked at the fights too much but only 1 or 2 looked good for thane
Though Im only doing heroic so I could camp thane the whole time if I wanted
dense elbow
100%, even if you go CE
marble pilot
Will get aotc for sure. I dont have the time or interest to do CE anymore
unreal onyx
median marsh
what do i need to do to get this 1 -
loud patrol
Panda starter zone on classic
inland flame
Ride the Elegon mount while you're feeling gassy?
median marsh
Panda starter zone on classic
ptr mop or cata clasic?
tawny oak
mop pre-patch on cata
tawny oak
yea
median marsh
tyvm
silk wharf
mop pre-patch on cata
Oh, I can do that right now?
south kayak
It's only for prepatch
can't get it on live MoP
We had the same thing in WoTLK for DK zone
silk wharf
I thought it was available to the end of the month. Good thing I saw that conversation.
And of course I have to have the hd textures. So its 4x the size haha.
earnest canyon
Will get aotc for sure. I dont have the time or interest to do CE anymore
You for sure can get CE again, just remember Mookie Wilson
earnest canyon
Don't only 1% of players get cutting edge? I guess its massively skewed now with paid carries and the fact the raid gets so nerfed (18% buff is insane)
inland flame
18% buff and multiple random extra power like turbo boost, corruptions, and the belt.
earnest canyon
yeah its literally a different game depending on when you got the achievement ....the RWF are simply playing a diff game to me
misty yoke
How is Fury looking for S3 after the buffs?
inland flame
Yeah no they just straight up are
The difference between RWF guilds and even the rest of the top 10 is pretty big, nonetheless guilds that get CE at the end of a season
summer quail
Don't only 1% of players get cutting edge? I guess its massively skewed now with...
depending on the tier yeah. think alot of people has gotten CE this time
currently a bit over 2.2k guilds have killed gally
a bit over 1700 guilds killed ansurek. very big difference
south kayak
currently a bit over 2.2k guilds have killed gally
I think the raid renown buff and all the items like the belt and the head enchants were a good solution to fixing raid retention
it helped a lot of people who wouldn't get CE get it
Hope they continue with that
I don't see a reason why they wouldn't
south kayak
a bit over 1700 guilds killed ansurek. very big difference
Didn't Ansurek also have the buff
summer quail
only the raid renown buff. no turbo boost
it had circes cyrclet which is basically belt equivalent tho
south kayak
Oh right, turbo boost is a big one
slim coral
currently a bit over 2.2k guilds have killed gally
Game is growing
summer quail
god i hate turbo boost so much. belt and circes are whatever
slim coral
a bit over 1700 guilds killed ansurek. very big difference
I will use these numbers against the wow dying classic Andy’s
south kayak
Yeah I don't like being woken from my slumber to gear up my character all over again after capping it
slim coral
slim coral
That’s cope
south kayak
It's a joke
summer quail
I will use these numbers against the wow dying classic Andy’s
people have said WoW is dying every single expansion xD
slim coral
Yep
slim coral
south kayak
Ever since the inception of WoW, no MMO has had bigger playerbase
WoW basically has the MMO market cornered
summer quail
or this MMO will kill WoW
i love those titles. "is this the WoW killer"
south kayak
i love those titles. "is this the WoW killer"
None of them ever been WoW killers
not even close
I remember Lost Ark lol
rocky spoke
the mountain thane tier set buffs on the ptr are really really good
south kayak
Yeah, they are
and I think WoW is gonna get even bigger with housing
maybe I'm overestimating it's impact
summer quail
i don't think you are. lots of people play ff14 for the housing, it's massive for the casuals
inland flame
Imagine if WoW could magically import Valheim-style building or sumn
south kayak
Where are those coming from
south kayak
Is there an incentive for them to just drop everything they did in FF14 and come to a new game like wow just for housing?
inland flame
They've been wanting that faster GCD this whole thyme but couldn't give up the pad.
slim coral
Is there an incentive for them to just drop everything they did in FF14 and come...
Yes
summer quail
Is there an incentive for them to just drop everything they did in FF14 and come...
if the housing in WoW is better then yes. i know someone that literally only plays ff14 for the housing
slim coral
Because in ff14 the housing system is based off a complete 1 year rng gamba
south kayak
if the housing in WoW is better then yes. i know someone that literally only pla...
A lot of people playing ff14 literally said housing was better from their testing
very likely
slim coral
I just want a venthyr building
inland flame
There's a lot of ways to play WoW and we have a decent amount of collectors. People get into that stuff. Now think about collecting furniture and stuff.
olive wraith
Housing def leans into the role play player base too
sour elbow
Is there any updated 4p sim sheets floating out there??
I have one but doesn't have everyone's stuff on it
south kayak
There's only one for multitarget that Archi posted a while ago
olive wraith
I think it’s still pretty early so a lot of sims aren’t updated
sly crane
took my guild 6 years to get a house in ff14, garbage system
south kayak
oof
inland flame
Yeah I've heard availability is a huge issue. Blizz prolly gonna get that part right.
Which might be another big thing that makes 14 players check it out ig.
earnest canyon
WoW housing must be instanced....its why the world is mostly seamless
So everyone gets a house that is part of a small neighbourhood
inland flame
I mean the neighborhoods will probably be
dense sedge
Unrelated but any of you been playing donkey Kong? Fucking slaps bros
earnest canyon
yup, loving it
You know the default record/audio that plays when you make a house/rest area?
"Dk....."
"Dk....."
"Donkey Kong is here....."
I thought it was saying "Donkey Kong is dead"
earnest canyon
lmao yes!
A capstone that said "Go apeshit and punch the shit out of everything" would be cool
dense sedge
Punch fuck out of everything would be sweet
jolly marten
the chat is too silent.. reminder every content creator put fury warrior at the bottom of their tierlists
discuss
modest condor
nah
junior gale
Can we get a ban on this guy for bringing up tier lists
limber oar
ptr tierlist low level content anyone who pays attention to them is lacking a concerning amount of braincells
waxen vale
successful ragebait
dire vigil
Ansurek was a way better fight. Definitely had that epic feel on platform 3 that Gallywix is lacking
jolly marten
is fury warrior a sleeper? maybe not.. discuss
rocky spoke
it's not lol
jolly marten
mm hunter and frost dks are for real.. they actually deleting packs
they are not fakes
oblique thistle
stop comparing us to the outlier specs
jolly marten
they gonna get nerfed.. they wont leave them like this
otherwise they gonna make the content too easy
gonna stack them and delete everything in their way
earnest canyon
they gonna get nerfed.. they wont leave them like this
Mm got a flat 10% nerf
oblique thistle
Mm got a flat 10% nerf
and they're still strong lol
summer quail
Mm got a flat 10% nerf
still not enough
rocky spoke
they gonna get nerfed.. they wont leave them like this
first time ? lol
olive wraith
the chat is too silent.. reminder every content creator put fury warrior at the ...
Good. We can get more buffs even though we’re okay
olive wraith
I mean we’ve been bottom tier in every list since like Df
Yet we can still do keys. Go figure
jolly marten
to be fair the bottom doesnt mean you cant play the spec
its just that playing something else is more effective
and dmg aside, we have the worst utility when battle shout aint needed
earnest canyon
and dmg aside, we have the worst utility when battle shout aint needed
Dk has worse utility
jolly marten
Dk has worse utility
surely on par with warriors but a little better.. grips and AMZ are universal things and not just for dps that do attack dmg
also cr bro
bitter palm
holy cr
jolly marten
they have cr
bitter palm
and if u have a healer that has cr its like u don't have it
earnest canyon
surely on par with warriors but a little better.. grips and AMZ are universal th...
No raid buff, grip useless on bosses, a lot of elites too. Other classes can cr.
summer quail
and dmg aside, we have the worst utility when battle shout aint needed
colossus does have the best aoe interrupt in the game. very underrated
tho that's arms/prot
summer quail
20 sec cd as well. pretty crazy
rose bay
batter up
jolly marten
shockwave is a stop for arms colo.. it interupts?
its prot i think that has aoe interupt with shout
summer quail
it's a knockup for colossus
jolly marten
so stop.. no interupt
summer quail
yes, a stop that goes through DR
dense elbow
Most people use interrupt not as the term for the mechanic ingame, but as a umbrella term for anything that hinders the current cast.
inland flame
Can we just make kicks great again please?
smoky vale
@clever path
clever path
<@456226577798135808>
but i just take the i got alot of cheese award
sharp bluff
so priory of the sacred flame will be in the rotation again in s3?
inland flame
Ja
sharp bluff
isnt that odd?
inland flame
People want them Signets ig
Floodgate, too. The non-raider M+ers don't want to let go of their Pacemaker.
clever path
does anyone know what's resetting my cd of avatar?
verbal shale
so priory of the sacred flame will be in the rotation again in s3?
CBF farming priory and floodgate again 😂 😂 I don't know why people want to do the same old dungeons again for a while season
earnest canyon
I hate 50% of the s3 dungeons
inland flame
Because people who don't have access to mythic raid trinkets are desparate for good ones
inland flame
does anyone know what's resetting my cd of avatar?
Only thing I can think of is killing or resetting a boss, perhaps if you're farming old content it caught you off-guard.
clever path
ive macro'd recklessness and avatar together like this:
but sometimes, avatar is just off CD
and recklessness still has a min or more left
im just doing tw dungeons lvling
sharp bluff
naw bro, bring back the arcway and maw of souls, we need some legion rotation in here
clever path
i thought it was a talent resetting avatar cd but maybe the macro is just tempremental
as in it works sometimes, and sometimes it doesnt.
sharp bluff
and why all just shadowlands, that's a disgusting rotation
inland flame
Macro's can't really do that. Are you sure it isn't the other way around? If you're playing Anger Management then spending rage reduces the cooldown of Recklessness.
clever path
huh thats a good point
inland flame
The boss thing doesn't even work I was thinking Avatar was 2m for some weird reason, I'm too tired or sumn.
olive wraith
and recklessness still has a min or more left
Are you sure it’s not reck desyncing
inland flame
Yea it's gotta be that
clever path
it probably is im gonna do a dung and watch them closely now
cus when i press the macro, its casting both
olive wraith
Right but reck gets cdr from anger management
clever path
yeah im cool with that cdr its just ive been noticing alot avatar is ready and recklessness isnt
weird ima test it now anyway
midnight sierra
isnt that odd?
It isn’t that strange to me considering people voted for all the dungeons with really good trinkets
inland flame
That can happen if you're hitting reck on cooldown
midnight sierra
M+ players big gripe usually is that they have to raid for good trinkets
clever path
ah i understand now fono
inland flame
inland flame
Jaja
clever path
just took me a minute to wrap my head around it xD
ive made a WA for avatar now so
thank you 🙂
inland flame
np
olive wraith
M+ players big gripe usually is that they have to raid for good trinkets
Coulda brought back stone vault
midnight sierra
Coulda brought back stone vault
Was that even an option lol
inland flame
When people think of good M+ trinkets from this xpac its probably Sacbrood, Signet of Priory, and Pacemaker. Dawn has the Crystal of Anub too, ig.
It'll be interesting to see what they do in a .5 and .7 patch this time.
fading sky
They need to rebuff sac?
inland flame
I'm assuming they've taken a look at stuff like that
olive wraith
Was that even an option lol
Pretty sure all tww dungeons were on the list to vote for
inland flame
They were
sharp bluff
im a bit confused with this BT WA, before I was using it I was just using BT on 35% health, so that's not what I want to be doing then?
raw magnet
WoW housing *must* be instanced....its why the world is mostly seamless
But I want to build my house in the middle of the stormwind bridge, what's even the point then
sharp bluff
because the WA now tells me to use BT at 46% ish
inland flame
You're also stacking crit chance with it when you RB and there's a crit threshold that you want to hit it at
sharp bluff
also I have to cycle mobs in order for the WA to register so in aoe when adds are getting low, unless I tab to be for sure, I am just BT on large pulls once I see hp below 35%