fury

[smoky vale]

also playing fury in keys lol

[olive wraith]

#updates-midnight message

[sullen tendon]

oh so it didnt do anything

[olive wraith]

It increased our dmg wdym

[sullen tendon]

this is the "be thankful they buffed us at all" thing all over again

the buff on paper did something but in practice did nothing

they increased damage on abilities that people still dont use and barely increased out aoe with mountain thane

[olive wraith]

5%=0

Got it

[sullen tendon]

ok so this is a scenario like if someone told you to blow up a tank and they gave you a gun and everyone else rocket launchers. Everyone else can blow up the tank but you cant so the person gives you a gun with a higher caliber bullet. It still wont blow up the tank.

[earnest canyon]

Spousal visa

[olive wraith]

Why do you complain like 5 times a day

[earnest canyon]

Me?

[sudden tusk]

tbh

its dumb and it will never happen

but id be down for Bshout to just be 3% damage flat instead of 5% ap

im prob wrong as it removes alot of flavor but as a mini gamer would be nice

[slim coral]

I 'd be down if they actually made the spec playable in m+

[sudden tusk]

tbh i think damage wise we are p close to almost every other spec

we just actually lose a lot of uptime against circles and swirlies

i do think fury needs some help. and would love some QoL on cleave

[slim coral]

I think in m+ we're pretty far behind

like sure we have good boss damage

but in keys we're like 1 billion behind in melee god comp

even further when you compare us to the actual good specs in m+

[sudden tusk]

i mean once again wizards have no downtime on many packs and we lose a sizable amount of uptime and globals being melee

doesnt help that our bleeds are so weak they dont do much

[slim coral]

yeah but for comparison this is a 20 top

that gap is pretty wide

[sudden tusk]

we should be doing more outlaw damage with our dps profile

[slim coral]

yes

roar also needs some kind of buff

for a major cd the impact it has feels like none

spear as well

or just replace spear

idc

[eternal sundial]

Get target capped buddy

Enjoy your stupid week 1 rashnan parse

[slim coral]

[eternal sundial]

Ripbozo

[slim coral]

I did my job

I made a ptr forum post

it's all I can do

[eternal sundial]

Roar to 3 gotcha

Spear in aoe prophecy

[slim coral]

I mean atleast spear would be used then

the talent has literally been dead for idk how long

not to mention the two useless talnts under it

[eternal sundial]

I think you start from scratch with the spec

[eternal sundial]

Piercing verdict was crazy dam in SL

Jumpscare oneshot in pvp in CDs

[slim coral]

https://tenor.com/view/one-two-three-four-miles-teller-andrew-whiplash-getting-slapped-gif-18304712

[eternal sundial]

Cs ava spear sharpen ms bs with unhinged

[slim coral]

me to the warrior dev

[eternal sundial]

[slim coral]

when he can't fix the class

[eternal sundial]

Baze in an empty room at Blizzard HQ

There never was a dev

[slim coral]

well the sad part is there is a dev

put shadow priest too busy getting their 5th rework of the xpansion

[eternal sundial]

In all honesty

They prolly have a team of people who fill in where needed

Rather than have dedicated guys per class

[slim coral]

Dan said there was a warrior dev

he's just old and stubborn

something like that

[eternal sundial]

Kungen...

[slim coral]

also that roar visual

needs an update

[eternal sundial]

Id revert wb

[slim coral]

it needs an update too

make it like an upheaveal effect

[slim coral]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/can-the-devs-take-a-look-at-fury-capstones/2121729 this is what i wrote

atleast maybe we'll get somethign out of it idk

[eternal sundial]

Im ngl baze i appreciate the effort but atm im not playing retail

I feel like these are all the same points we had end s1 no?

[slim coral]

[eternal sundial]

Bro cata arms goes ultra hard

[slim coral]

idk maybe

we've had a lot of points since Dragonflight

[eternal sundial]

Ye feels like everyone did

Xan made the video etc

[slim coral]

yep and unironically all we got were worse capstones

cause of the nerubar raid

xD

[summer quail]

ofcourse xD, when warrior hasn't changed in forever it makes sense to complain about similar things

[unreal onyx]

We havent used onslaught once since the talent tree rework, no?

And spear like once in pure ST

[slim coral]

ye

pretty much

even then

you could use roar if I remember correctly

[unreal onyx]

Yes, the dps diff was almost nonexistent and was way easier to use

[red berry]

having capstones that are actually good

would be neat

why do other classes get capstones

[lean heart]

they really need to rework Avatar for both dps specs too like this is egregious

[young swan]

whats wrong with zerkers torment

titans is way more egregious

well aside from zerkers just being boring

[lean heart]

no i meant like

[slim coral]

the devs are just scared to see warrior supremacy

[lean heart]

they do the same thing even tho theyre for 2 diff specs

[young swan]

oh

yeah i mean

its based on signet yeah

so not exactly surprising

[lean heart]

avatar is also just a shit button

[young swan]

the biggest problem with current warrior is that the devs thought that shadowlands was a good place to take building blocks from

[high echo]

maybe copium but i think theyll do what they did to prot some time in this period

[young swan]

prot got shot in the fucking head so thats not great

[summer quail]

nothing really. it's just boring "press cd you get another cd"

[high echo]

yeah...

[slim coral]

well isn't spiteful from legion

and it failed

serenity I mean

[lean heart]

its cooked we're cooked everybody reroll

[young swan]

yeah but they took the version that was shit instead of the version that was epic poogers fortnite

[slim coral]

also they gotta buff rally

[lean heart]

it makes no sense its still so shit

[jolly parrot]

anyone tested ptr

[young swan]

yeah

[slim coral]

also reck should give us real crit not spell crit

[lean heart]

my raid basically never assign Rally anymore its more of a "ok hit it whenever" thing

[young swan]

agreed

[slim coral]

[high echo]

avatar should enhance the base rotation buttons high key

make it a proper transformation

[summer quail]

legion made sure that will never happen

getting punished 8 years later

[young swan]

fuck RA type transformation abilites

they are cringe

[slim coral]

that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard

[high echo]

think of Meta or Combust

[young swan]

UNLESS if they're on spenders instead of generators

its fine if its on spenders

[summer quail]

i wish it was

[slim coral]

reck also just doesnt feel like an impactful cd

compared to other classes

[high echo]

we have barely have a cd tbh

[lean heart]

none of our cds feel impactful

[summer quail]

agreed. same with avatar, very boring cds. we do have a shit ton of cds and only bladestorm feels good(fury bladestorm)

[high echo]

visually too

you grow red and big.. WOW

that was kinda cool in...2007

[slim coral]

yeah exactly

[summer quail]

what is the most satisfying cd in WoW?

[lean heart]

wings

combust

[young swan]

ascendence

not even close

[summer quail]

ele ascendence

[young swan]

actually not even close

[summer quail]

yeah

[slim coral]

never played ele

[lean heart]

oh ive never played ele

[slim coral]

or enhacement

but for me

[young swan]

like by FAR ele ascendence

[slim coral]

It's breath

[lean heart]

breath yes

[slim coral]

I love breath its so sick

[summer quail]

enhance ascendance is whatever. atleast compared to ele ascendence

[slim coral]

in terms of feeling impactful

[high echo]

ascend

underrated maybe but I like arcane's cds too

[young swan]

feel like its just ele ascendence > combust >>>>> everything else >>> reck/ava

[jolly parrot]

for ptr wa updates i usethis no

?*

[lean heart]

i started this game playing ret so im bias towards wings

[eternal sundial]

Double bl combust in DF s1

[slim coral]

also I would add meta to that

it's pretty sick

[young swan]

looks right

[slim coral]

compared to avatar

[jolly parrot]

doenst work

[slim coral]

meta is what avatar should be

[jolly parrot]

idk why? XD

[young swan]

no idea

mine worked fine

[summer quail]

meta as felscarred is pretty sick. meta as aldrachi is whatever

[radiant plank]

delete avatar from arms and fury and give us real cds

[slim coral]

so true

[lean heart]

real

[young swan]

bean saying it

[unreal onyx]

Bring back mbg

[young swan]

wrong

[slim coral]

I'd take lost ark's slayer over ours

[unreal onyx]

mbg goated

Get enraged, use bs, spam ww

[young swan]

the only way i would ever want mbg back is if you had a cap on the number of amp'd wws

legion ass aoe rotation

boring as shit

[radiant plank]

Should be capped to 1-2 giga WW's

[oblique trail]

@clever belfry

[radiant plank]

Would be nice boost for sfury

for keys

[young swan]

i think 3 is fine

[slim coral]

quick come up with a cd to replace avatar

[radiant plank]

Buff Reck and CS 👍

im tryna remove cds

not replace

[unreal onyx]

Recklessness now gives the extra rage gen + avatar effect in one

Delete avatar then

[slim coral]

[unreal onyx]

Also have AM work with it still

[summer quail]

yes pls. we can technically have 6 cds for arms, it's so dumb. 7 if you count sks as a cd

[radiant plank]

imagine how chilling fury is if its cds were reck roar bs

45s roar should be baseline effect

reck should be your 1.5min slammer cd

[slim coral]

I mean if roar actually did dmg

I'd be down

this current roar is a fucking tickle

[radiant plank]

also imo

reck should be removed from AM

but add onslaught + OF to AM

[slim coral]

can we buf odens fury too

[unreal onyx]

Roar is only good in 10+ mob pulls

[slim coral]

make it uncapped

OF uncapped would actually be so fucking sick

just build the class around that

[young swan]

feel like they could just steal the reck rework i concocted and people are happy..

[slim coral]

as long as all our cds were impactful yes

[summer quail]

whats your reck rework again?

[slim coral]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyzcUeg_w2A&ab_channel=Xantaga

[young swan]

the conversations about warrior rework recently have made me want to revisit that tree

but this

[slim coral]

https://viewer.diagrams.net/index.html?tags={}&lightbox=1&highlight=0000ff&edit=_blank&layers=1&nav=1&title=Fury+Rewowrk.drawio#Uhttps%3A%2F%2Fdrive.google.com%2Fuc%3Fid%3D1iu2OPGgcsgJzwIPgrfSrmDUFDfis2_vS%26export%3Ddownload#{"pageId"%3A"C5RBs43oDa-KdzZeNtuy"}

this was the whole tree

wait Xan

I just realized

if Odens fury summoned helya

Holy

that talent would own

like you have written

[young swan]

its just the 7.2 golden trait

[slim coral]

Nex this now

[slim coral]

didn't play then

[young swan]

like that is literally just giga yoinked from legion

[slim coral]

either way if Helya or Oden came out when we casted that

as a visual

that'd be sick

[bitter palm]

yeah would be sick if we had any flavor

[slim coral]

it's been half a year so I don't remember a lot of these but Xan cooked fr

[young swan]

im going thru and fiddling with stuff now

[slim coral]

rampage should be made baseline this patch

they got the time

rampage rb and bt should all be baseline

[young swan]

nah

disagree

[slim coral]

how come

[young swan]

bt should be baseline

but you should feel some sort of progression

ramp should definitely be available early tho

[slim coral]

you said yourself in this vid it should be

now you changing on me

[young swan]

this is from the tree

[lean heart]

watching this rn its pretty good

[slim coral]

yeah but in the vid you said rampage shoul dbe baseline

maybe you meant something else

[young swan]

maybe

idk

its been a while

crown jewel is still the execute stuff

god that would be so sick

[slim coral]

let me recheck that

I like the trauam talent

[young swan]

thats just a legion talent that I yoinked

honestly for how simple it is im happy with frenzy, its literally just starlord from balance

would work so well with fury tho

even for current fury

and fixes the pain point of having a main target restriction

[slim coral]

yeah these are good capstones

or atleast at the level capstones should be

[young swan]

i think they are all broken as fuck

[slim coral]

well they can always tune htme

them

but alteast they do something

[summer quail]

very good expansion. fury in legion was overrated af tho

[slim coral]

yeah I'm gonna play the remix

[summer quail]

that onslaught cook is so nice @young swan

[young swan]

i stole the idea from @fickle bluff

most of it anyways

[slim coral]

I just want one new spec talent please

it can't be that much to ask

[summer quail]

for arms i just want jugg removed. for fury i want bloodcraze or slaughtering strikes removed from raging blow

[slim coral]

or just make it so the stacks don't fall off while in combat

[young swan]

ok i tweaked a bunch of stuff so its not 1/2/3min alignment anymore

that was overcook

[slim coral]

link new sheet

[young swan]

that same link should work

[summer quail]

better than what we have. would still prefer them just removing it and giving us df s3 tier

[slim coral]

I put it in my ptr post giving you the cred

maybe they will look at it

?

bro doesnt know what ptr is for

[cosmic sundial]

Warrior player flaming warrior player for wanting devs to work on class

[potent thicket]

smh

[cosmic sundial]

Dude would thrive as a crab

[mossy pelican]

that dude was yapping in testing chat in ptr earlier, probably just a troll

[cosmic sundial]

Let me be deadass with you, brother. Fury just isn’t making me feel like the Hulkster no more

[slim coral]

I mean the devs litearlly asked for more ptr feedback like last month

so just put all you want on ptr forums

[fading sky]

God yes pls

Made sd so epic

[red berry]

i want more crit damage

[cosmic sundial]

Just started watching and first changelog entry is my birthday. That means blizzard will take this eventually because I’m huffing copium hard

[lean heart]

unironically the best part about that tree is the rampage/SS/execute loop

[young swan]

[lean heart]

im tryna imagine how it would feel on a fight like smolderon

with dmg amp in execute hoooly

[young swan]

that loop with the extra haste from frenzy

[slim coral]

everyone post it on ptr

spam post

gogogogo

[young swan]

is just some I need to experience so badly

[slim coral]

[lean heart]

every SD proc its a massive execute mashallah

[red berry]

i took a look at the tree, its pretty good. i like a lot of that

ive praised a lot of bleed interactions for fury so

and we seem to agree on crit/crit damage in its design which i also like

[lean heart]

big fan of crit dmg

[red berry]

biggg fan of crit damage

[dense elbow]

If you give OF CDR, then no.

I know many clamor for a flatter profile than we already are. I just pray the Devs don't listen to them.

To me, casting OF twice as often is not more fun than OF hitting twice as hard

More casts isn't better. It is just flat. Be it OF, BS or SD executes. Spikes is those doing actual damage. Spikes is noticeable. Noticeable equals dopamine. Dopamine equals fun

[slim coral]

you can make OF a 2 min idc

just make it go boom

[lean heart]

as long as it cranks idc about the cd

[warm crag]

Flatten the dps graph i beg #pulltheripcord

[lean heart]

for a button like that ideally it should be 1min tho

[dense elbow]

As we are on a 1.5 CD rotation, 1 min would feel so much worse than 45 sec

[warm crag]

What if of replaces ww

[slim coral]

I was thinking about that

would kind own

[warm crag]

This was unhinged bait you werent supposed to agree

[dense elbow]

Spongie, you know I think that idea is moronic

[slim coral]

https://tenor.com/view/apex-apex-legends-meme-gif-20316120

[warm crag]

Think abt it u get to press of every 4 gcds which is better than rn where it is once every like 50 gcds

[slim coral]

he's right

and by blizzard stanards pressing more = more damage

[dense elbow]

Just make OF cast when you press RB, it will also line up with their current philosophy

[slim coral]

https://tenor.com/view/monster-versus-vs-alien-strange-mob-gif-12413747667150461911

[dense elbow]

Actually, that isn't stupid enough. Let's make it so that OF can consume SS stacks. To really clunk things up

Add bloodcraze to it as well

[clever belfry]

balls

[fading sky]

Kek

Just make of strong every 1.5m or 45 sec no am to it

[clever belfry]

guuuuuuuys

meow

[slim coral]

meow

[oblique trail]

[slim coral]

https://tenor.com/view/meowing4u-baby-gif-27315475

[oblique trail]

[clever belfry]

i dont buy bazed being a meowser

honestly

[oblique trail]

uncharacteristic of him

[slim coral]

I'm always sleeping during EU hours

[clever belfry]

its EU hours rn buddy

[slim coral]

ye I know I'm finally up for once

[slim coral]

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-cat-happy-cat-smile-gif-3555983607747631247

[radiant plank]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1019920856123707442/1218851469617532978/p_44.gif

[compact siren]

@warm crag @clever belfry @gleaming siren @lost saffron @oblique trail Hosen status?

[clever belfry]

at thr store

so sadly, equipped

[gleaming siren]

unequipped

about to get into bed and mimimi

or honk shoo

[jolly parrot]

does this shit just lay around in the delve?

[radiant plank]

you get it on completion no?

[jolly parrot]

yes

[remote bobcat]

why are you honk shooing during the day

devils schedule?

[compact siren]

https://tenor.com/view/capybara-nose-poke-capy-coconut-gif-1974646734566907144

[oblique trail]

they are directly attached to my legs due to a freak accident

[sullen dove]

hosen on head

[gleaming siren]

Heat

Idk hot weather makes me switch to two-sleep schedule

short sleep at night, short sleep during day

[plush zephyr]

Bro it’s 91 degrees already

Not even 10 lmao

My friends having to stay with me cause his dumbass bought a big ass house and now his broke ass can’t afford to fix the ac 😂

[slim coral]

Midnight reveal August 20th

Should be hype asf

[plush zephyr]

Confirmed or speculative?

There’s been too many news posts for me to follow

[smoky vale]

gm

@clever path hi

[chilly fractal]

They should do it at midnight

[slim coral]

it's posted on their twitter

[clever path]

hi

[slim coral]

https://twitter.com/warcraft/status/1937134803490328953?s=46&t=X0r8ZkWCbhShMwTC356CGw

World of Warcraft (@Warcraft)

MIDNIGHT REVEALED.

Join us at Gamescom 2025 for a first look at the next chapter of the Worldsoul Saga.

Learn more: https://t.co/c9HMIRzwFV

X · Jun 23, 2025, 1:05 PM

probably gonna show the new warrior rework and hero talents

[smoky vale]

gm bazed

[slim coral]

yo

[smoky vale]

and no that wont happen

[plush zephyr]

ty

[plush zephyr]

🔮 says 3rd DH spec and yuge rework to Warrior

[slim coral]

time to get all coped up

[radiant plank]

You guys havnt been since launch?

[plush zephyr]

Haven’t been what

Oh coped up

No

I expect Warrior to have nothing good for long because the outside community wants us to never have anything good

[dense elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-12756433236776117962

[undone flower]

it is time, i'm looking for another guild

wish me luck

[smoky vale]

what happened buddy

[undone flower]

nah just 3 times per week (and 4 first month) for rank 1000, i can find better

and they made me tank mugzee on my bdk

[smoky vale]

lol

[undone flower]

even tho i said I can do it with my war

nah bring your 675 bdk you didn't play since stix died 3 months ago

(we didn't have war buff btw)

[bitter palm]

pwar mogs bdk no

with execute

[smoky vale]

yes

[undone flower]

i mog some dps if i'm the pwar

[bitter palm]

last time i played pwar mogged everyone on st

[undone flower]

i think i can do 2m+ now on bosses like sprocket, as pwar

[bitter palm]

based

[undone flower]

i'm right behind you if you play bad, watch out

so for the first time i tag in english guilds

[upper mica]

is charged bolt still best after nerfs?

[dense elbow]

#updates-midnight message

[upper mica]

bahahaha and hear i was checking and apparently skipping the exact thing i was looking for

ty ty 🙂

looks like i change next week lol

[ornate gust]

EU?

[undone flower]

yep

[ornate gust]

Apply to our guild if you are good

https://www.wowprogress.com/guild/eu/kazzak/Broken+Promises

[undone flower]

ST is London timezone right ?

[ornate gust]

Server time

[undone flower]

that's too early but thanks for proposing

[ornate gust]

👍🏼

[gleaming crag]

Is it a lengthy process to submit corrections to wowhead articles ? Lol

(Written by Arch)

[fiery edge]

charged bolt pulling random shit

💀

[woven valley]

That’s why you run crit chain ⛓️‍💥

[fiery edge]

i've been running crit chain since belt released, but i tried charged bolt today and almost trolled the pug

[sullen tendon]

anyone know why i have the additional tints but not the main one. I swear i did this back in legion but the original tint isnt showing up

[royal oxide]

You never unlocked the main one but got the off colors from alts completing prerqs

[sullen tendon]

i didnt have any fury alts

or are you talking about the 200 wq shit

[fiery edge]

but you did unlock it on arms right?

[sullen tendon]

didnt think it would give me the alt appearnces but nothe main one i guess

ok well part of me feels like i completed it

i just killed nitthogg and hedidnt drop it

i went to trial of valor and killed odyn and he didnt drop it

[hardy cargo]

youll unlock the color variants of offspec ones if you unlock a hidden apperance on a class

im in the same boat u are I unlocked arms, have 3/4 colors of fury one

cba going to kill the dragons tho

[sullen tendon]

nitthogg is up rn

i just killed it

it didnt drop the skull

[hardy cargo]

its not guaranteed

at least I dont remember it being guaranteed

[sullen tendon]

I remember fussing around with it in legion and i feel as if i completed it at some point

unless its some legacy content fuckery where you need to have the artifact equipped and kill it for it to drop

[hardy cargo]

are u exalted valarjar? I see smth about that in comments

[sullen tendon]

i played actively in legion and have all the requirmetns my artifact is level 90+ from playing when it was current and i have all exalted reps

im gonna just make a ticket and ask a gm to check if i already did it or not and if its really a 100% drop rate or not

[hardy cargo]

I just went to kill for science and it dropped

[sullen tendon]

yea

so i already did it

otherwise it would have dropped

[still obsidian]

Hey guys pardon the normie question here, but what's the temperature on warrior changes in general? Are we getting anything flashy for next season?

[still obsidian]

I interpret that in one of two ways, no, we are exactly the same, or no and I should feel bad.

Are either of those correct?

[radiant plank]

-15 celsius

[winter shoal]

Slayer set kinda owns, thane set is very stinky rn but imo could be good with some simple changes. The fundamental core issues of the spec remain the same tho

[coarse nest]

What’s the temperature of juggernaut these days?

[winter shoal]

I'd say it's about a bandaid fix on a broader design issue out of 10

[slim coral]

We ain't getting nothing at the moment

If the devs have anything cooked up no one knows

[still obsidian]

Thank you. I've been considering whether I want to try something new, I've played warrior every xpac since TBC. Doesn't seem like we're getting anything new or fun just same old zug zug lol

Which is fine but.... Yeah time to switch it up

[slim coral]

we've been asking them to for years

[coarse nest]

Took 11 years to “bug fix colossus smash parry”

[still obsidian]

[sullen tendon]

fury is an advanced class that needs tons of dev work put into it to fix the problems. ETA for the rework is at minimum 4 years. we may get a few number tuning blue posts in midnight but the last titan is where well finally get a rework where they change thunderclap back to whirlwind and remove bladestorm from fury and give us ravager only.

[slim coral]

not a bug

they just hated us

[modest condor]

and when they finally changed it they forgot to include warbreaker

[slim coral]

We're gonna turn into sargeras that's gonna be our hero talent

[winter shoal]

I think you mean warBRINGER silm

[coarse nest]

Oh I know but they changed it under the context of “bug fixes” lmao

[modest condor]

sorry you're right, warbringer

[hardy cargo]

dont worry theres still an outstanding bug with warbreaker I experience in SL that I assume was bc of the arena I was in but I press it, was in range and it just did nothing

no dam no debuff no nothing

[sullen tendon]

thats called a feature

[still obsidian]

Working as intended ™️

[hardy cargo]

I remember asking in here about it and nobody had seen it or noticed it before xd

[coarse nest]

Marksman Hunter still doesn’t have working lust

[sullen tendon]

I just said we need a differnet lust cause of hunter and they asked why and i explained why and then they just lusted and everyone got the buff

mayeb they fixed it overnight

or its not specifc to whatever talent gives them the lust

so differnet peopel can have the problem

[coarse nest]

You get the buff icon but it doesn’t apply the haste

Unless it has been fixed

[sullen tendon]

thats differnet from what happened when i was testing

i got a group with mm hunter told them about it i stood next to them while grouped and they hit it and only they got the sated debuff and i got no debuff and no lust

[smoky vale]

nerf fury

[blissful flax]

Should I stop maxing Mastery at any point on the soft caps ? or go all in

[winter shoal]

Sim question

[quiet breach]

the only 2 things that are a noticbale upgrade for me is viscera and motherlode ring from +10 vault

why is that motherlode ring so strong for us

[quiet breach]

the sim will probably tell you to start prioritizing other stats when ur mastery is around like 50-55%

[frozen cosmos]

Where do I go to sim my stat weights?

[smoky vale]

Raidbots but thats an outdated way of simming and you should be instead simming gear

[frozen cosmos]

Okay thought that would be the case thx

[dusty cove]

Is cirital chain the best belt enchant now? or is that next week?

[hardy cargo]

Tomorrow

[dusty cove]

ah okay, charged bolts is best before then?

[hardy cargo]

ya

mastery good in keys too I think

[sage orbit]

Could you elaborate on what the core issues are, in your opinion?

[summer quail]

non existant capstones. too many cds, and the cds are quite weak atm. for m+ our target cap in these kinds of dungeons is really rough and our biggest issue is raging blow doing too many things. raging blow does good damage and it buffs rampage and bloodthirst. it just does too much

[sage orbit]

Gotcha. I personally really liked annihilator build from dragon flight. Raging blow is such a boring ability to me

[winter shoal]

Yeah basically what Mutou said; I actually think the moment-to-moment gameplay is pretty decent for both specs (although I see why some people have the criticisms they don't), but the bigger problem in my opinion is missed opportunities for more interesting or impactful talent/ability usage

And the new tier sets don't really address that at all, but they do go kaching and that makes my brain release the happy chemicals

[quiet breach]

raidbots isn't outdated ❓

[winter shoal]

Stat weights are

Top gear accomplishes the same thing but is more accurate

[tepid cedar]

i fucking HATE RIK. such an rng bullshit lol

[slim coral]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/914508501697576990/1314542204722741248/caption.gif

[winter shoal]

I said what I said

[slim coral]

Our cds are dogshit

When those are fixed we can talk

[winter shoal]

Baze attempts literacy challenge????

[slim coral]

Yeah yeah ain’t reading all that!

[winter shoal]

Based

[slim coral]

Nice try EU

[winter shoal]

Bro I'm NA

[hardy cargo]

[tranquil jetty]

we have spent

[winter shoal]

Can't be turning on your countrymen like this

[slim coral]

Also tier sets are garbage

[tranquil jetty]

around 160 pulls on sprocket

im exhausted

[winter shoal]

Slayer tier set kinda cranks

[slim coral]

We’re gonna be bottom barrel with these tier sets in m-+

[slim coral]

Fun fight

[winter shoal]

My old guild had 190 and didn't kill 🙂 But new guild sent that mf to the shadow realm before the hard overlap even happened

[winter shoal]

Yeah but what's new

Also col arms might crank idk

[hardy cargo]

was gonna say time to play prot but o7 spell block LOL

[echo rapids]

We were even more before our kill, and then did stix in like one night

[tranquil jetty]

have you had 80 pulls in a row with no progress

[winter shoal]

I mean not literally 0 progress but close to it

[red berry]

idk if raging blow procs reap as much as bt in aoe it could be a bit stronger

[winter shoal]

It doesn't

Well it does

But it doesn't scale with target count like bt

[red berry]

yes i know

if thats changes

changed, on tuesday lmao

[summer quail]

would be funnier if they made it so bt reap doesn't scale with targets

[winter shoal]

I'm calling the police

[echo rapids]

Oh that’s brutal, no our graph had a continual downward trend

[last sparrow]

think sprocket was our longest and then mugzee second

[oblique compass]

anyone know what is the best for the belt since the nerfs to charge bolt?

[frozen cosmos]

Crit

#updates-midnight message

[oblique compass]

isnt crit our worst stat as fury tho?

[slim coral]

That’s not how that works

[oblique compass]

cause simming it is a 30k loss from the nerfed charged bolts so idk what im doing wrong lol

and the sim for crit on it was -69k for me

[hardy cargo]

charged bolt hasnt been nerfed yet so I dunno if sims have been updated to reflect that unless you modified it yourself

[oblique compass]

okay didnt know that. thought the nerf was already live. so im still using charged bolts until the nerf is live then swapping to crit

[hardy cargo]

yep can stay bolt for now. nerf comes next reset

so tomorrow for NA

[oblique compass]

kk good deal. will get the crit one now then

thank you! still dont understand why crit would be better over more haste or mast but i will trust the sims and go with it

[modest condor]

because if you have a choice between 5000 crit, 200 haste or 200 mastery, the crit is obviously gonna be better (numbers made up to show an extreme example)

[hardy cargo]

^^

the proc is a fuck ton of crit

[oblique compass]

okay guess i didnt pay much attention to the numbers then

[hardy cargo]

itll be roughly 1200 starting, scaling up to 12,000

on proc

over 20s

[modest condor]

ngl i havent looked at the numbers either, im just showing why a stat being bad doesnt mean that you never want to pick it over others

[oblique compass]

i get that. im still learning fury so i try to make sense of things rather than blindly following

[storm rune]

I dunno you can get pretty far following blindly

[slim coral]

The numbers are massive

[slim coral]

Just pretend stats don’t matter

Just know that generally you want haste mastery but item level is more important and then more niche stuff matters

I miss the 125k verse

[woven valley]

I mean this week in mplus is fun af when you get the crit buff then your other crit buff then reck, big numbers everywhere

[winter shoal]

Tom_262_ilvl dot gif

[bitter palm]

test of might 262 ilvl dot gif

die tom die

[sullen tendon]

dude i love blizzard so much

i love when my connection is fine but as soon as combat starts or a key starts it does that face disconnecting stuff

you can still talk but the game stops working and everyone runs in place

only way to fix it is to restart client

[frigid hedge]

does anyone have a burst of power tracker for MT?

[sullen tendon]

they glow

[tranquil dust]

Guys what is the correct way of simming for M+?

Teach me please

[hardy cargo]

if running lock n stalk do I want to spam the on use? or does it matter

[young swan]

definitely dont wanna do that

the on use just swaps between aoe mode and st mode

[young swan]

dont

[hardy cargo]

oh I had no idea what it even did

ty

[young swan]

just use the same trinkets as the good players

[hardy cargo]

am playing an alt rn

so im taking what I can get atm xd

[young swan]

oh i meant to reply to the mikelovich guy

oops

[dapper goblet]

madox for yellow

[young swan]

@tranquil dust

[hardy cargo]

oh xd

[tranquil dust]

😦

[young swan]

theres genuinely no reason to sim for m+ for us

cause nothing really changes

except for trinkets

and its just "equip whatever your best on-use is"

[sudden tusk]

its the part of the patch where i start looking at trinkets and talent points wondering if theres something we missing that i can squeeze a little damage out only to realize i should be more stupid and just copy paste

[young swan]

correct

trying to cook anything at this point is useless

[quiet geyser]

I believe what you meant to say was theres no reason to sim for m+ for us because fury just sucks in m+ 🙂

[tranquil dust]

The thing is, Im trying to figure out WHY am I dealing around 30% less damage than Noxiv comparing logs, this cannot be only the comp, or the gameplay style, we are around the same ilvl, Im no pro nor close to it but I know my way around fury

So it feels like something is off

Ive been simming dungeon slice since it came out, and everyone is telling me not to now

And Im suddenly lost 🥲

[quiet geyser]

You're comparing yourself to arguably the best fury m+ player in the world

[tranquil dust]

I totally undestand that

[summer quail]

also unless you're doing the same exact pulls as noxiv it's hard to compare

[sudden tusk]

comp makes a big differance

pull size

ect

[tranquil dust]

But we should compare us to the best shouldnt we? 😄 To improveeeee ahahah

[summer quail]

even key level will make a difference. fury pretty good at consistent aoe

[tranquil dust]

I dont know if pull size matters that much considering the target cap

Comparing same keys, +19s

I mean comparing mine to his +19s

Same key ofc

And same dungeon

It obnoxious the difference

And then I start simming Dungeon Slice vs Patchwerk 8 Targets (the same as 5 but just for the laughs)

[jolly parrot]

Is there already a spreadsheet with dps tier gains?

Season 3

[tranquil dust]

And the difference between them, between the gear, is huge, totally different crafts, gems, enchants

[quiet geyser]

What is your key level? Cuz this also makes a big difference

[plush zephyr]

Have you watched Banshers or Noxivs streams? Their pulls and everything are perfectly planned for maximum output, for their comp and team and that absolutely does matter

[quiet geyser]

Due to his higher key level, he's getting 2 sets of cds on almost every pack

[tranquil dust]

Key level or ilvl?

[quiet geyser]

That adds up

[tranquil dust]

This is true also, but damn doing 1M over me like 3M to 4M sounded absurd to me

But maybe thats just it

[plush zephyr]

You should really watch how they do pulls and their communication. Even something they’ve done 100+ times, the 101th time they think they can do better

[tranquil dust]

ilvl 683 for me, my key also +19, comparing his +19 to mine +19

Oh key level yea, +19

[tranquil dust]

Maybe thats just it yeah

I was trying to figure out whats the deal with simms, if thats what I was doing wrong

Cuz DS simm tells me to keep everything the same: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/t7GvNDaWzPfCyEUGed9UMW

And 8t patchwerk tells me to change a lot, even trinket: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9T6Pwe8YGvPauwVU6iArPg

(I know the DMG for patchwek is unatainable, Im referring to the gear only)

Basically, Patchwerk 8 targets tells me to replace and recraft everything

Even Spark Burst for the waist, which doesnt even sound right

[quiet geyser]

I dunno man, simming for dungeons is like studying for an open book exam

Just go in press buttons shit dies 🙂

[tranquil dust]

Dude

[tranquil dust]

Best phrase 2025

[quiet geyser]

Theres a million other factors that will affect your dps for dungeons more than following a sim

[tranquil dust]

That is 100% true, I just wanted to do the best possible in the simm part

If there weren't a million other factors I would be outputting 8,65M ahahahahah

[remote bolt]

I tried the main Crit Mountain Thane at 15+ rookery, the damage was pretty good

Crit: 20,218 Haste: 12,934 Mastery: 14,438 Versatility: 875

[smoky vale]

me when stats dont matter

🙂

[olive wraith]

875 vers is insane

[tight roost]

main crit MT is that a thing?

man i try to keep up with this discord but i would not be doing anything else in my life if i had to read all...

[olive wraith]

It’s not a thing

It’s feelycraft

[tight roost]

ah ok

all good then

[remote bolt]

just uesing my arms ring play fury

the results were good

[modest condor]

swapping a couple of stats around has very little effect on your dps

[junior gale]

Secondaries barely matter!

[smoky vale]

#fury message

[junior gale]

[bitter palm]

madox for blue

speed up the process a bit

[young swan]

no

[sudden tusk]

any work rn would just have to get redone

no point yet

[young swan]

thats prob not even the biggest problem rn

dont think anyone in our simcrafting team actually gives a hoot, they just wanna cook

[smoky vale]

hi xan :3

[young swan]

bigger problem is that hero set tier bonuses are gonna be weird to put in simc

hi gio

[smoky vale]

can you delete fury already

[young swan]

no

[smoky vale]

#fury message

[modest condor]

yes

[modest condor]

43 parse, if you also had a 99 parse you would do the same dps!!!

[smoky vale]

(i was totally playing fury )

[formal ravine]

Gotta love the ptr fury though

I am doing 10 mil on dummies as fury and 30mil as boomie

GOOD SHIT

[olive wraith]

Perfectly balanced

[compact knot]

i do 80 million as mm hunter

so

i dont think they fixed that yet

[whole yacht]

Yeah that's still not working right. So doesn't count

[formal ravine]

What is not working right?

The thane?

Even if it hits 5 targets

it's doing 0.2% of the dmg

[whole yacht]

No. Mm insane damage

[formal ravine]

it would do 1%

Yah but boomie is not bugged

that's the dmg htey do

[whole yacht]

No one is saying boomie is bugged

Breathe

[formal ravine]

I am just referring to the above comment

[restive peak]

Boomie broken for M+ again noone is shocked/10

[formal ravine]

Their single target is absurd too though

[restive peak]

Delete chickens

They're food not friends

[formal ravine]

On the m+ build i was about 4mil steady dps on single target

So yeah boomie is eating well

[whole yacht]

"Absurb" is a bit over exaggerated no?

[restive peak]

Considering what they can do for AOE while doing that...no, it's absurd. But it's giga early so w/e

[formal ravine]

Certainly, btu when they come up with a tier set that does 0.2% for fury something is fundamentally stupidly wwrong

[compact knot]

they will buff it big dawg

its the first ptr of 11.2

[whole yacht]

Ptr is just kicking off

Relax

[formal ravine]

I am relaxed, we're just chatting

[restive peak]

Fury and a dogshit tier set are basically status quo at this point unfortunately

[compact knot]

season 3 df fury > everything else

[restive peak]

S2/4

Give me it back

GIVE ME IT BACK NOW

[whole yacht]

Its not really a chat. Just you complaining about ptr fury compared to boomkin ptr. In the first leg of ptr

[formal ravine]

Buddy i am not responsible for your lack of comprehensive skills

[whole yacht]

"Something is fundamentally stupidly wrong"
Give it a moment big dawg

[restive peak]

I mean people bringing it up consistently is what causes changes, IDK, I didn't view anything he typed as outlandish fit throwing or anything lol

[whole yacht]

I didnt say he's throwing a fit

[restive peak]

Feels like he's within the margins of a chat room, but I guess we'll all just agree to disagree and move on from it

[compact knot]

technically it is working right

just a large oversight from blizzard

[whole yacht]

Lemme clarify. By "right" I meant "intended"

[compact knot]

yeah u right

[whole yacht]

Cuz that's for sure not intended

[compact knot]

im lwk ragebaiting

[whole yacht]

Cuz rn MM IS absurd

[formal ravine]

Give it a moment big dawg

[compact knot]

https://tenor.com/view/aguhiyori-agu-seal-agu-cute-seal-seal-clap-gif-7994364550587801526

[olive wraith]

Agree

[compact knot]

does anyone know why my textures keep bugging

[formal ravine]

green?

[compact knot]

details and other weakauras just turn green

[olive wraith]

Because you’re a bug

[formal ravine]

Revert to DX11

and reload

[olive wraith]

Did you evolve you ui

[formal ravine]

leave it as dx11 till .2 hits i guess

they probably will fix it by then

[remote bobcat]

why is ur characters name a shitty variant of german

[compact knot]

idfk

[whole yacht]

Damn bros upset 😂

[remote bobcat]

i respect the hustle

angel like lookin hunter

[whole yacht]

Why isn't yours

[remote bobcat]

because im woyer i dont know how to spell

[whole yacht]

Valid ag

Af*

[remote bobcat]

#arms message

look at character name

[whole yacht]

No

[remote bobcat]

yes

[whole yacht]

I cant

Links scare me

[remote bobcat]

BRUH

[whole yacht]

🙂

[remote bobcat]

why u playin

[whole yacht]

Playing what

[remote bobcat]

nvm

[whole yacht]

😂

[flat river]

💀

[remote bobcat]

@flat river five seven

trial status?

[flat river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1155808877875564565/1383080865281609879/stares.gif

[flat river]

he still hasn't given me the interview 💀

[remote bobcat]

[flat river]

he forgor

[remote bobcat]

he aint srs enough

[flat river]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-gif-cat-meme-cute-cat-eepy-gif-13929672982711169874

[clever belfry]

gala57

[flat river]

i almost clicked on the wrong sticker

and got banned

[whole yacht]

Do it

[flat river]

nuh uh

[whole yacht]

Dm it to me

[flat river]

done

[whole yacht]

WILD

[flat river]

XD

[whole yacht]

100% would have been a ban hammer

[flat river]

yep

[whole yacht]

Hilarious though

[earnest canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/eac-conspiracy-vixen-cat-happy-gif-145694352558327638

[sullen dove]

That’s me worrying about sending gifs

Got some heinous ones

[flat river]

real me too

[quiet breach]

what prog is your current guild

[tepid cedar]

@remote bobcat made vexie my bitch

[remote bobcat]

6 mil is crazy

ggs

[flat river]

im currently guildless

2 guilds 8/8 reached out to me

1 told me they'd interview me this week

they didnt yet

xd

[remote bobcat]

THEY FORGOT ABOUT HIM

AND HES COPING OUT OF HIS MIND

[tepid cedar]

reach back to them

[quiet breach]

what was your last guild's prog

I remember u being in a dookie guild

[remote bobcat]

he was in a dookie guild indeed

[flat river]

6/8

they progging mugzee

[quiet breach]

not dookie tbh

[flat river]

we took 6 weeks to kill 1 armed

[quiet breach]

that's pretty dookie I'm ngl

how many hours per week actually

[flat river]

nerfed 1 armed btw

[flat river]

6

[quiet breach]

why did u guys suck so bad on OAB

[flat river]

me and 2 other people are the only ones orange parsing

30% purple parse

rest is blue

[quiet breach]

u can kill OAB with a full raid of green parse

[flat river]

🍣

wrong emoji

xd

[quiet breach]

good choice to dip though, if it took 6 weeks to kill OAB I don't wanna know how long it will take them to kill mugzee 💀

if they even will

[flat river]

real

btw they were lowkey bullying me aswell

and as soon as i left

they kept barraging me with messages telling me to come back

💀

[tepid cedar]

dwgood luck!!

[flat river]

its tuesday

[quiet breach]

what country are u in

[flat river]

egypt

[smoky vale]

https://tenor.com/view/schnappi-das-kleine-krokodil-jump-hungry-try-to-eat-fly-cute-crocodile-gif-5585441786008835095

[quiet breach]

they somehow made that look like an alligator and a cat at the same time

[smoky vale]

he will evaporate your guild watch out

[bitter palm]

balls evaporation technique

[quiet breach]

so is the new DH spec confirmed at this point? PoddyC people were talking about it like its already a thing

[junior gale]

no its not confirmed they even said it wasnt confirmed. But its lookin likely in the future most likely next expansion there might be a 3rd DH spec

[latent hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/oakdice-runescape-gif-18004007

The deep state streamers get info early.

[summer quail]

no not confirmed. just A LOT of hints

[undone flower]

The same day I left my guild

[fickle stirrup]

Is the new Slayer tier set for ST that good or? Cause I doubt a 6+ overall ilvl difference = over 700k+ ST gain on my sustained dmg compared to my Live numbers

[modest condor]

i dont think it's even particularly strong compared to normal tiersets, it's just that you're replacing a shit tierset so it looks really strong

it's probably somewhere in the 10-15% range

[olive wraith]

Wait and see

[fickle stirrup]

true lmfao

[modest condor]

at least im pretty sure 4set is less than 5%, hard to put an accurate number on 2set

[dense elbow]

Reap gonna proc like BT, dont worry Fury AoE saved

[waxen vale]

with the third dinar in the next couple days anyone got a definitive bis lol? top sim. I know normally that’s useless talk but it’s obtainable right now

[olive wraith]

Depends if you’re clearing mythic

[sullen dove]

bis hoc and jastor on mythic

[unborn notch]

FURY IS SAVED 🙏

[fluid pollen]

How is ionizing strikes hitting in the PTR?

Limp noodle?

[modest condor]

less than a limp noodle

[whole yacht]

tomorrow. or maybe tomorrow. lmao.

[flat river]

xd

he said tommorrow 3 times

[whole yacht]

XD

[flat river]

that was saturday

[whole yacht]

yikes

so he failed to reach out for interview on both days he said were possible

[flat river]

question guys btw

if a guild tells me

[whole yacht]

maybe start forgetting about that guy and look elsewhere.

[flat river]

they will let me play this season

but begin trial first 2 weeks of next season

is that ok or

[whole yacht]

if they say you can play this season, but dont let you play this season

[flat river]

like they will let me play to test me

but they wont judge me

until first 2 weeks of prog

[whole yacht]

oh. what

so they will let you play,. to see what you got

but wont let your trial start until later?

[flat river]

yep

[whole yacht]

so you have to play by trial rules for even longer?

[flat river]

yep

[whole yacht]

instead of 2 weeks, likke 10?

nah fuck that

i got told a trial was 2 weeks once

played the 2 weeks

they told me to wait another 2 weeks

i bounced

[flat river]

usually trial is 2 weeks give or take

[whole yacht]

i aint about to be treated like less than a raider, but help yall push and gear for free.

that guild also had a rule of "trials dont get gear"

[flat river]

gg

[whole yacht]

so i definitely was no up for a MONTH of raid boss kills with no gear

the trial period is the trial period

i will not be played

[flat river]

but trials dont usually get gear

they prefer their mains

but they do get gear

[summer quail]

I mean what is "trial rules"? Coz trial for us just means no guild repair

[flat river]

what im scared of is

first 2 weeks

they dont like me

i get booted

and im stuck

[whole yacht]

thats really the big risk there

if you play for them for a whilke

no judgement

then play for them for 2 weeks.

and they dont like you

now youve lost the first 2 weeks

on top of that

you have to play on your a-game the entire time, even before your trial. because if you dont, they will judge even if they say they wont.

its human nature to form opinions on someone youre around. even if you dont want to.

[sullen tendon]

idk why you guys are complaining obviously blizzard has this under control and is planning to giga buff warrior soon theres nothing to worry about its only ptr it would NEVER make it to live unbalanced

[flat river]

xd

[sullen tendon]

i love an hate this video. It was great to see a fury warrior doing so well but at the same time it upset me because the awesome soundtrack that goes with gokus first ssj3 transformation was overlayed with the equivelant of tik tok edit music at the time.

[echo rapids]

That feels like a strange place to draw the line

[chilly fractal]

Honestly I’ve only ever been in 1 guild where I ever felt treated as a trial… In my experience most guilds treat you like everyone else while you “trial” but I’m also a bit of a social butterfly

[slim coral]

Trialing is always the worse until you get comfy

[flat river]

real

[tepid cedar]

bruh thane set is soo dookie

lololol

[flat river]

real

its 0.2% of my damage

lmao

[tepid cedar]

surely we have un announced buffs coming non tier set wise

righhhttttttttt

[flat river]

surely

they announced buffs/reworks for everyone except fury and arms because they are planning to buff us huge surely

[tender pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-everythingeverywhereallatonce-gif-25516405

[slim coral]

It’s ok guys I left the devs sone great notes on the forums

Surely they buff us cause of the notes

[flat river]

https://tenor.com/view/please7tv-please-beg-pray-hope-gif-3860103425950934673

[maiden valley]

is it easy for me to sim the disc belt rn that accounts for the tuning of next reset

[olive wraith]

No

[maiden valley]

🥹

[olive wraith]

Afaik the apl hasn’t really been touched for next season

It’s too far out

[maiden valley]

do you know when it gets updated? not worried about next season, but for the incoming disc belt tuning when is the soonest i could sim with that tuning implemented? Is it whenever servers are live?

[snow edge]

Next season? He means the changes to the tuning I believe which is this season

[snow edge]

Yes - although it’ll be crit almost guaranteed

#updates-midnight message

[maiden valley]

yea i saw that, just wanted to double check by simming myself. thanks

[olive wraith]

Oh I thought disc was already nerfed

My b

[tepid cedar]

bruh look at this shit

failed a 17 work by 13 seconds. went to look...... like howwwwwwww

[dense elbow]

I never thought I would feel less bad about my poor DPS... But here we are

[tepid cedar]

dudes were 3500 io. i dont get it

ppl fkn buying 17s now?!?!

[dense elbow]

Hard to really say, could just be scuffed pulls

[tepid cedar]

nah the pulls were scuffed