fury

[sullen dove]

void ritual

[undone flower]

If you have only 1 and p2 set, I don’t think you lose meaningful parse dps by doing goals

[compact knot]

take me back to smolderon df season 4

possibly the most fun ive ever had

in this game

[sullen dove]

tindral s4

even without abusing tank trinket

still peak

[compact knot]

nah im telling you

smolderon with the old tier set in season 4

was crazy

doing 1.2m dps when you sim at like 600k dps

[sullen dove]

or did arms do more

[compact knot]

nah it was fury

it was just on normal

[sullen dove]

yea had to ahve been

[compact knot]

cause fast kill time

[sullen dove]

o

wack

insta VC

[compact knot]

yeah

which is why i did it lmao

best boss ever made tbh

[junior gale]

dont mind me healers soaking smoldy lines to do dmg

[eternal sundial]

Time dilation required to keep up BSL

[compact knot]

2 of my healers left because of me doing this

[eternal sundial]

If real gamer

[compact knot]

LMFAOOO

[little mortar]

Hello new to fury here, during M+ on a big pull when i use Ravager, avatar recklessness and goes on with normal rotation I always have ravager and recklesness first but I have to wait like 40 seconds before etting avatar back up
Do I have to delay the use of my cd or can I use ? Should i wait for avatar ?

[junior gale]

lmao

[sullen dove]

reck ravager basically on cooldown

[eternal sundial]

I also got flamed for it on prog cuz i excused it as easily livable

[sullen dove]

unless a pack of mobs is about to die

[junior gale]

it wasnt even that bad maybe needed 1 external but ER and SR was enough usually

[sullen dove]

the whole point of am is to be able to use them more you dont save for ava for those 2 really at all

[eternal sundial]

And my rl was appaled by the reasoning i can live it why would i dodge it

[sullen dove]

reck gives avatar already

[compact knot]

it was always enough if you did it right

[eternal sundial]

[compact knot]

but the rare occasion you fucked it up and died

was bad

[eternal sundial]

Er sr and BB spam was way enough

[compact knot]

the thing is literally no healing is happening since you do it as it ends

so the healers can heal you

[eternal sundial]

I lept off the platform more than dying to damage

Cuz i lept late

[compact knot]

id get knocked off every like 30 pulls or so

it didnt happen much

[eternal sundial]

It stopped once i did the floor patterns

But before that monka

[compact knot]

one dumbass pull i managed to get priest gripped back and i dropped my balls hella far into the lava so they got super delayed so i didnt even need to soak the ring

that was the ultra tech

[eternal sundial]

Our kill pull my CDs were on CD for 10 seconds

Like on pull 0

Complete horror

Still top dam

[little mortar]

What ? Why ?
i'm playing with odyn's fury

[sullen dove]

have this one? in class tree

[little mortar]

Ah yeah my bad I was looking on the fury tree, thanks !
So no need to hold ? Just full send ?

[sullen dove]

yea reck and ravager pretty much send on cooldown

you would only rly wanna save it if a pack is like about to die so you can use most of the buffs on a fresh set of adds

[eternal sundial]

@sullen dove 🐟

[sullen dove]

⚔️

🤺

[flat river]

smf?

[sullen dove]

beg your pardon

[flat river]

u posted fencing

[junior gale]

https://tenor.com/view/regretting-thinking-nervous-macaco-monkey-gif-13105982953111325972

[flat river]

so single minded fury

[sullen dove]

outlaw rogue

[flat river]

single minded fury

[little mortar]

Thanks a lot

[eternal sundial]

I told you before i used to missread your namen as such

Now I have told you again

Swordfish type shit

[flat river]

real

his server tag says fish too

[eternal sundial]

Probably because of this

Being more common than just me being a fury player (rword)

[flat river]

[sullen dove]

reprobate

didnt officially know what that meant

not as like hurtful as i thought it was

[junior gale]

GGs Swordish

[storm birch]

Well there’s slight downtime on the p2 one when you’re in middle right gaol with boss positioned to the far left. And like I said the soaks. But yea first set of gaols is negligible because it’s just a quick target swap

[undone flower]

middle right is where i was assigned, so i can't understand where you lose meaningful dps, you mean the few sec the add is casting the knockback to go out ?

[storm birch]

Just the time going from boss to the circle . Where in the first set boss is positioned so you’re already on marker @undone flower

[undone flower]

so leap travel time ?

[storm birch]

Yea essentially. And the millisecond between your leap landing and the gaol spawning if you’re calculation god lol

If not then idk maybe a second or so it prolly adds up to

Pretty straightforward that sticking the boss would be better dmg right ?

[undone flower]

if you are that serious about parses, about "millisecond", don't go in the gaols at all, just "forget to go in it", idk how many ppl goes in with your guild

int your raid, if it's to change 99 parse into 99 but higher rank

[storm birch]

Uhhh I think it was 3 in each that set . I’m not that serious but you said you don’t lose meaningful parse dps doing 2 sets but it all adds up a little. But yea like I said the main killer was soaking mine pops for me. But I’m happy to do what needs done for the kill

All I really care about

I’ll worry bout the parse on reclear 😎

[undone flower]

and p2 front right it might be better to go in the front right gaol and destroy it quickly because getting ppl out will lower your kill time of the boss

[storm birch]

Well I think we had like 4 or 5 dead by boss end sadly. It was last pull of night I think we were all surprised it died it was a sloppy raid night haha

[undone flower]

bc tbf i just reck bs the gaol guy in 8 seconds i was on the boss again

[storm birch]

But yea I had 2.99m dps and that was an 87 parse I think and top is like 3.5m dps so even the smallest bit of dmg like having to swap goals or x y or z really dips into it . People be pumpin

Yea this is true. Sometimes you’d get a bad gaol target and I wouldn’t be able to kill before ice baits so have to hold dps a sec (or at least that’s what guild wanted us to do)

[sullen dove]

https://tenor.com/view/salute-cat-cute-yessir-gif-17449845613192073437

danke

[undone flower]

really hard to understand, rank 1 fury do front right gaol in his log

[storm birch]

What a beast

[sullen dove]

What wallife with a 8 minute kill and infinite add pad time?

or someone new now

[undone flower]

yes wallife but others ranks also do gaols so doesn't matter for the point

[sullen dove]

Or was walli arms don’t even remember

[storm birch]

Well I did say the gaols were minimal but still an obvious reduction. But that the thing that sucked the most was doing mine soaks behind boss after intermission

[sullen dove]

I think getting 2nd jail in p1 was actually huge for my kill

Big bonus there

But getting one in p2 would be bad yea

[storm birch]

Yea it’s giving up the sub 35% damage on boss too

[undone flower]

yes second jail p1 is definitly big F

[sullen dove]

no it was good

[undone flower]

but now ppl skip those i think

[sullen dove]

Is what i mean

way better for me that I got in there

[storm birch]

That’s how it was for me at first then we started skipping

[sullen dove]

have to hold boss dps for 30 seconds anyway so can hit it more and also keep up 15stack jugg on executable target

[undone flower]

if you did dps break, it is better to be in the gaol if it's what you mean

[storm birch]

Meaning I had no battle pit for list either Sadge

Pot * lust *

[sullen dove]

just needed a bit of lucky rng for procs right after and I got em

I just held my pot for lust

Big 4 minute hold

[earnest canyon]

Die ASAP then hold all cds for next boss

[devout totem]

im holding CDs for next raid tier 👍

[flat river]

They are planning to remove addons 👀

[knotty flare]

Slayer viable at all in m+?

[timber hare]

yeah its decent up untill 16s

[icy topaz]

Details too?

[flat river]

yes ;-;

like dbm sure

but why details ;-;

[summer quail]

yea but they will have an inbuilt damage meter so that's fine

[flat river]

im guesing they will add one

yeah

[summer quail]

i'm more worried about weakauras if they remove that

[icy topaz]

Hope so

[flat river]

like with the mixed bags

[flat river]

i love my ultimatemousebutton though

AND NOT PLATER

FUCK

NOOO

MY NAMEPLATES WILL LOOK LIKE SHIT NOW

[icy topaz]

Tbh i dont use addons and weakauras

[south kayak]

Get owned

[icy topaz]

Not lots at least

So i dont mind

[undone flower]

Im more worried about not enough customization on buffs on plates

[south kayak]

I feel like these things aren’t gonna be as important if they do make everything easier in terms of difficulty and having to track debuff

[undone flower]

It is still sad about mdt

[flat river]

the thing you're missing is this is blizzard we are talking about

they will make 1 update to fix bugs after release and never touch it again

[undone flower]

We still can’t remove that fucking portrait from player frame, I don’t trust Blizz that much

[flat river]

like

i understand combat stuff u want to remove

but plater and details arent that deep

details ok its easy to make in WoW

but plater?

[south kayak]

Doubtful, they’ve been iterating on edit mode since DF launch

[undone flower]

iterate

We still have the fucking portrait on the player frame

[south kayak]

Wdym

[undone flower]

The kinda circle on left of your char frame

[south kayak]

I know what is

That

What’s your point

[undone flower]

Since the beginning of édit mode, you can’t remove that, which is one of the reasons people install UI addons

[south kayak]

Did you know you can change it to your class icon?

Why is that an issue lol

[undone flower]

Which is still a useless circle left of your frame ?

[south kayak]

I don’t see this as an issue

I don’t get it

WoW players are way too spoiled with addons

I’m gonna say it

The main issue of all this addon changes is that blizzard shouldn’t have done it now when everyone has had their cake

Taking this away from the player base is bad now that they’ve had it for ages

Should have done this a long time ago

But we’re here now so eh

[buoyant latch]

its not an issue but it just design wise not make sense to not be able to remove useless clutter in the big 2025

[undone flower]

Tbf they needed to implement things in the game quite a long time ago

[buoyant latch]

witohut the use of an addon

[south kayak]

The “big 2025”

What’s big about it

[south kayak]

You have to keep in mind that they haven’t done this BECAUSE addons exists

But now they’ll have to

[undone flower]

You have to keep in mind that addons exists bc they haven’t done it too

[south kayak]

I understand for the first few expansions but they’ve gotten complacent and changed their priority because of addons existing

[flat river]

tbf, they should IMPLEMENT THEM FIRST then remove the addons after they get feedback

[south kayak]

They’ve started this whole thing since edit mode, I’m guessing, they just had said anything about it until now

[undone flower]

Like they really needed to let people filter visible buffs/debuffs on enemies plates since a decade

[south kayak]

They are getting feedback from ptr/beta though

[undone flower]

You play a rogue you melee a mob you can’t see anything

2 lines of buffs

[south kayak]

I wonder what Archi thinks about the whole Addons business

[undone flower]

On each enemies

[flat river]

i think they should add them

but at the same time

keep some

like WA for example

make it not work for all WA

just some

cause like ultimate mouse button

[south kayak]

You can’t do that

[flat river]

I NEED IT

[south kayak]

It either works for all or nothing

[flat river]

i lose my mouse too often

[south kayak]

Skill issue

[flat river]

[undone flower]

I think making combat log not readable by addons will make WA impossible to work no ?

[south kayak]

Exactly

That’s what I’m saying

Can’t make some work

[flat river]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-hello-kitty-kitty-hello-bow-kitty-bow-gif-557162609274838016

[undone flower]

But I’m fine with that, I force myself to use cd manager on a char, it is some steps away

If you are scared with own player cd shit WA

[flat river]

make ultimate mouse button baseline plz

[undone flower]

Idk what it is

Oh it’s the circle on cursor

[flat river]

yes

I CAN SEE MY MOUSE

OTHERWISE I LOSE IT

[undone flower]

It does happen to me, or sometime it is right in the middle, and I take a wl portal by accident

Or I click on bandit coil

[south kayak]

I’m telling myself edit mode was the same and now it’s in a much better place

[undone flower]

Edit mode made me not reinstall elvui when I came back to the game

[south kayak]

Bro I remember clicking the coils on heroic bandit when we progressed on it lol

[south kayak]

Yeah I’ve never really used elvui but this makes it obsolete to me

[undone flower]

Like rn plater is the next needed thing (not like fully custom plater) but more minimalist plate options + handle the tracked buffs on plates issue

[remote bobcat]

guys i may be washed, i only got a 90 on mugzee and gally reclear

[undone flower]

Raid / party frame is already great, just maybe also there some whitelist/blacklist buffs from player bc some healers it is weird

[remote bobcat]

(im not taking responsibility for shit vexie, my tanks dont pull her onto bikes and baits arent done well)

[remote bobcat]

https://wago.io/ak3iS95aa

[south kayak]

I agree

[remote bobcat]

jundies is nice

way better than anything blizz could do

🙂‍↕️

[south kayak]

You know the WA that makes it so you know what to dispel, circles around the party target

@undone flower

Or an indicator

I think that’s obviously made to make it look easier to do that

And I think that’s a bit too much

With encounters easier, it won’t be mandatory or way too easy

[undone flower]

Idk I don’t use that much things, I prefer based UI as possible since DF except the things that rly annoys me / required to play the game for me

So idk what you talk about

I know decursive is a thing ? It’s that ?

(I don’t know what it does but I get it is dispel addon)

[undone flower]

Do you talk about the party frame effect when you ask for a PI or an external ?

[south kayak]

With encounters easier, it won’t be mandatory or way too easy

Since they’ll remove it obviously

[undone flower]

I don’t think they can remove that

[south kayak]

Yeah something like that

[undone flower]

Since it’s macro

But these things is really minimal so who cares

[south kayak]

You might not be familiar with it

It’s not that important because the default raid parry frame already has an indication when a target needs a dispel

It might need to be a little bigger or something

[undone flower]

Yeah I’m more familiar with me pressing macro « whisp Ps me » so idk how they rly work

[south kayak]

I can’t tell if something is a bleed

[undone flower]

I think it already show if it’s a disease etc

But it shows the disease icon only if you can dispel it I think, I play casually healer so I have vague things in my mind

But 100% on my druid I see curse icon on ToP platforms and not on my monk

[south kayak]

Yeah that’s true

It also shows bleed as evoker

Because you can dispel that

I didn’t think of that

Makes it better lol

[modest torrent]

I've just did a ToP +12 to check if my rotation is good, and compared it vs Noxiv ToP run. I parsed 77, he parsed 100. Do you see any big reason that could explain such big gap?

(my run was 28 minutes, his was 32)

[remote bobcat]

dont compare damage amounts of spells to check how well ur doing, thanks

[modest torrent]

I was checking mostly my CPM

[remote bobcat]

yur opener could be completely wrong with identical cpm

your*

just go to the cast timeline mate

[modest torrent]

ok, do we have a specific opener aside casting Avatar and Recklessness before charge?

(i'll check wowhead ofc)

[remote bobcat]

well in ToP you're pulling the horn into the boss, so you dont want to insta pop while still pulling the bloodhorn into the boss

you wanna pop when they are stacked

[undone flower]

Under is noxiv ?

[remote bobcat]

context is relevant.

[modest torrent]

Yes

Feel there is something odd with my Thunder Clap/Thunder Blast

[undone flower]

Context matter a huge lot in m+, but just from seeing that he just cast way more stuff than you / can be just bc active uptime, context matter 🤷‍♂️

[remote bobcat]

did you compare two +12s?

[undone flower]

^

[modest torrent]

sorry for my noobness, but is there a way to do that easily (answer is no, I did his +20 against my +12)

[undone flower]

Damage parses are per key lvl

[remote bobcat]

I heavily recommend going to #1347646810457636974 since you're clearly new to learning via wcl

let people help you

[undone flower]

It is hard to compare these two Doldhur bc you can understand ppl in +2 keys will have easier more dps than Noxiv in 20 ?

I use extreme to make it more obvious

[remote bobcat]

its the other way around

cuz wcl checks downtime too

ur running a lot more compared to fighting

in +2

[undone flower]

Hopefully you didn’t do a +2 with me as tank

[remote bobcat]

ive been told not to invite ysondre/hyjal/elisandre players

and dalaran players

[undone flower]

Fuck the French

[remote bobcat]

woah

[undone flower]

Not Dalaran tho

[remote bobcat]

toxic

[radiant plank]

Can safely add all the Italian language servers to this list

[undone flower]

I had to make a char on Hyjal bc boosts don’t pay on Dalaran

[remote bobcat]

🤷‍♂️

[undone flower]

100% Kronzo is on DAS KONSORTIUM

[remote bobcat]

thrall

im on thrall

[modest torrent]

done

[remote bobcat]

nice, this way you'll have more eyes to help you

[radiant plank]

Dont compare key parses

they are omeega fake

[modest torrent]

y but I don't raid

[radiant plank]

the key % parse can give you an idea how you did but not a good measurement

[remote bobcat]

how come? raiding is rly fun for a lot of people

[modest torrent]

not for me

I hate it

And I'm pretty busy so it's much easier to fit a 30-35 minutes run in my agenda than a raid

[undone flower]

pug raiding is not rly fun, a lot worst than pug m+ I guess

[remote bobcat]

oh yeah fuck pugs

pugs arent fun

[modest torrent]

Had even worse fun playing guild raid since we were forced to stay until little Timmy stopped eating ground fire

[radiant plank]

Also comparing yourself to noxiv is certainly not the play. His tank and comp is ultra catered to the 5T target cap

[undone flower]

I wanted to kill mug and gally last week in pug hc, we kill mug, we take 15 min to refill, to disband on 1 pull gally 40%, tank forgot p2 bombs, raid disbanded

I hate pug raid so much

[modest torrent]

I like social raids with my guild and we're cleaning hc in like an hour, but progress still gives me nightmares since my last one in Siege of Orgrimmar (and it was a fun raid)

[undone flower]

Different players like different things, I like to prog / I play for the raid (with a guild), I see why ppl wouldn’t like it

[south kayak]

Classic

[undone flower]

There is also the classic type port pls when we are 19 in front of the boss since 10 min, no lock, he is in Thorgast with no hearthstone

[south kayak]

Lol

I don’t understand these people

It’s so fast to get to undermine

I saw people actually leave because they weren’t getting a summon

And they were in dornogal

[undone flower]

And the leader doesn’t insta kick this mf and /pull

[modest torrent]

But Fury parsing is giving me troubles. I pushed my Brewmaster to 99% consistently. Same for my Survival hunter. Now Fury seems to resist me. Maybe I'm just having trouble as soon as there is some volume of player in a spec

[south kayak]

Bro was playing with 3 other people

[undone flower]

Bc fury players are stuck in 12s, so you have more competition

[south kayak]

[modest torrent]

I mean SV hunter is quite in the same boat. But I love the feeling to end a key with massively more dmg than the 2nd meta dps.
I don't know this feeling with Fury ^^

[south kayak]

I think survival and fury are in the same tier

For m+

But one is capped and the other isn’t

[undone flower]

Like noxiv does 100 in +20 top / it’s the same thing as WF guild does 100 parse in the raid

[radiant plank]

noxiv does 100 in +20 top cuz he is the only fury warrior doing a +20 top

[undone flower]

Like the logs on Gally on the world first / does second place have 0 parse ?

[south kayak]

Lmao

[iron portal]

Yes

[south kayak]

It’s you isn’t it

[iron portal]

That would be wild indeed

[static mountain]

hey bois , shud i get Mister lock-n-stalk or HoC if i mainly go for m+ content?

[remote bobcat]

lockncock is bad in m+

or rather, there are better options

hoc being one of them

[static mountain]

hmm alright thanks man

[iron portal]

https://tenor.com/view/archer-sterling-archer-hey-phrasing-phrasing-gif-4228674

[remote bobcat]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/933386399279878154/1347570769441329202/watermark.gif

[flat river]

https://tenor.com/view/rlp-wow-first-time-ruby-life-pools-gif-12421336083863104124

[remote bobcat]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/1375663730318119015/big2.gif

[flat river]

https://tenor.com/view/connection-issue-world-of-warcraft-cataclysm-easy-latam-doerhamy-gif-25948098

[remote bobcat]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1271531027914952757/1379370412500193290/incu.gif

[flat river]

thats not a fail though

[remote bobcat]

??

did u not see the amount of ass burning going on

rip the dh

[flat river]

https://tenor.com/view/ju-fufu-ju-fufu-side-eye-zenless-zone-zero-ju-fufu-zzz-zzz-gif-1081283867394367547

[iron portal]

That happened whenever i ran keys with dh tanks

[chilly fractal]

What doesn’t kill you helps healers parse

[dense elbow]

False it gives you a

[chilly fractal]

It’s about sounding selfless

[dense elbow]

Not very warrior of you

You a paladin main in disguise? Knew it

[chilly fractal]

But I am a Blacksmith and Engineer by trade

[valid pivot]

hey guys, quick question, im re rolling to warrior, what should i get with dinars from the raid? ( im 4/8M at the moment on main, and dont know if we are killing the 5 )

so is hoc worthed ? i should i just keep them until i get all the 12

[dense elbow]

#dps-faq
No need to rush buying things, just wait till you can get the best options

[plush zephyr]

Think It’d be easier to find the answer easily in #updates-midnight

[quiet breach]

I made a hilarious mistake last night in mugzee prog

it was the first time I got the finger blaster thru 2 adds mechanic

I didn't realize in that moment then the raid leader said "through BOTH adds" and I panicked and didn't see the add at first, then spotted it but the whole time I was swerving the fucking beam obliterating the raid until I finally landed it on the two adds

so the two adds were hit at the cost of 5 raiders 💀

[limber oar]

Ah yes

[quiet breach]

I didn't mess it up after that but its funny af thinking about it afterwards

[limber oar]

The windshield wiper method

Textbook classic

[ember apex]

Once u get out of p1 gallywicks how many more pulls is it on average for the kill?

[radiant plank]

This was ours

[ember apex]

31 pulls to get to p2 👁️‍🗨️👄👁️‍🗨️

I think we're on 100+

[bitter palm]

i dont think your guild

is a good baseline

u oneshot everything

[radiant plank]

He asked

[bitter palm]

[smoky vale]

walhe i did bad on gally

😦

[bitter palm]

hi galastronk

time to stop

dragging it way too long

[bitter palm]

dw king on farm 100 incoming

play colo arms and pad

time demolish

for adds

[smoky vale]

do you play warbreaker

idk 12 pulls is not enough to learn a fight

[radiant plank]

naw

u full ST

just have BS for adds

and u are gucci

[bitter palm]

i thought u killed it already

[smoky vale]

i was just sending on send then bs on adds

i died 3/12 pulls we did

idk the movement for p2 enough

but it just fell

p1 felt fine just need more on p2

[slim coral]

I took OF it was pog

Got 17th

[winter shoal]

Baze when are you trialing with PC

[slim coral]

Uh Soon ™

[winter shoal]

Gl king

[coarse nest]

Prog trial goes hard

[queen sage]

Has anybody heard anything about void ritual not procing at all?

just did 15 priory with 0 procs

[coarse nest]

I bet twilight devastation would have procd

[queen sage]

[woven valley]

Look in auras it’s a buff not a damage ability

[thorny peak]

God has cursed all my 13+ dungeon runs

Yo am i supposed to be leaning to vers gear in those high keys?

[queen sage]

omg, I'm stupid( Had Twilight devastation before while lesser runes where the only ones. And forgot that took void for greater(

[woven valley]

its okay we are warriors we dont read

[fading sky]

I mean in 13s no

Just dodge

[winter shoal]

If sim says to for damage then sure, but you should be able to live in 13s with no issues regardless of your vers

Warrior very hard to kill in keys as long as you avoid avoidable damage

[chilly fractal]

Need mor Vers for dam

[winter shoal]

Yeah vers pretty powerful for dam with good gear but that's a sim question at the end of the day

[austere jewel]

Hey, is viscera of coalesced hatred a bait?

[winter shoal]

It's fine

What about it would be bait? It just does some dam

It's probably not going to be your best trinket, but it's not bad either

[compact knot]

its purely a ST dps trinket

so i would only ever use it to do ST dps

[austere jewel]

Trying to figure out what to use my 2nd dinar on. Have the seaforium pacemaker and viscera 684 but wondering if its worth to get the priory signet to replace viscera

[green ruin]

hey Tbc rerelease is coming and i wanted to main a Furry, a Friend of mine said i should play combat rogue caus he meant it does more dmg, is that true?

[austere jewel]

cant get any of the undermine trinkets myth track 😦

[full portal]

LFR gallywix only gave me 649 rep, so I'm at 2499/2500. Anyone else have this issue?

[winter shoal]

I very much so would not spend a dinar on myth viscera

[austere jewel]

No i already have the viscera, but im wondering if i should spend my dinar on replacing it with priory trinket

[winter shoal]

#mop-discussion or #vanilla-discussion would probably be more helpful, this channel is more for retail

[winter shoal]

Oh my bad I'm illiterate, ultimately that's a sim question, but it's pretty likely a hero house of cards is better

[quiet breach]

do u raid mythic at any level

[austere jewel]

Yeah im 4/8 rn

[storm birch]

Omg 17 floodgate finally done. That dungeon is a nightmare to get invited to

Let alone to not have any skip bricks

[compact knot]

viscera is good on sprocketmonger @austere jewel

if your actually progging it

[austere jewel]

We are indeed, 20% best pull so far :p

[compact knot]

nice, yeah i would continue to use viscera on that boss

[austere jewel]

Would i replace viscera with the sprocket trinket?

[compact knot]

uh probably

thats a sim question

[quiet breach]

why not just use dinar on Lockenstock

its a better ST trinket

[compact knot]

hes 4/8

he cant buy it

[quiet breach]

oh wait I forgot some ppl do Stix first

[compact knot]

also it is a better ST trinket, but not enough to warrant spending a dinar on when there are better items to unlock instead

unless it sims like drastically higher and im not aware of it

684 lockenstock is like 10k dps loss over my 671 mechanocore as arms, might be diff for fury though

[austere jewel]

Just simmed lockenstock trink and it seems to sim real bad

[remote bobcat]

myth lockncock and hero mechano are exactly equal for me

I wonder what that depends on

haste ?

[austere jewel]

If i were to just replace viscera with 684 lockenstock trink its a 40k dps loss <.<

[compact knot]

I believe its just how the trinket interacts with stats and shit

like highest stats it buffs and lowest stats ect

you might have more mastery than me and it buffs mastery more often which is worse than it buffing haste or crit ect ect

[compact knot]

that seems a little too big of a loss ngl

[austere jewel]

Fuck whatever i was saying lol. had it on dungeon slice

[compact knot]

ahh

[austere jewel]

Yeah lockenstock trinket is a very slight upgrade

[winter shoal]

I mean is it worth a dinar tho

I feel like you hold dinar til OAB no?

BIS and HoC from same boss is very powerful

[austere jewel]

Yeah im probably gonna hold it

[summer quail]

depends, it is one of our strongest trinkets for raid. not worth over myth bis, jastor or eye. but vs things like HoC, pacemaker etc it all depends on sims

[tepid cedar]

Do we have any numbers from the ptr on how good these belts are there from 11.1.7?

[dense elbow]

Just wait till after the wowhead post that says "belts bad, very bad", and the 100-300% buff

No need to worry about it till then

[frank dawn]

or just ignore it completely and continue on with your life in season 3

👍

[tepid cedar]

What fun would that be

lol

I like big numberrrsss

Finally got to looking into the belt. Might be very damn good for fury as secondary stat dependent as we are

[full portal]

I'm still stuck at 2499/2500 on the raid rep, does anyone else have this?

[coarse nest]

That should not be possible

[full portal]

it's because lfr gally gave me 649 rep today when I needed 650 for max

[south kayak]

He’s trolling you

[torpid garden]

Doesn’t Gally give 1000 normally from even lfr

[quiet breach]

how are we secondary stat dependent when cyrce's circlet is literally still BiS for most of us

[coarse nest]

You do realize that gives stats right?

[marble pilot]

Yeah we take it cause it gives a ton of mastery right? I dropped mine a little bit ago though

[winter shoal]

IIRC from the initial simc implementation, one of the mods was like literally 1m dps higher than the rest

I think there's been tuning since then though so I don't know what the current numbers on PTR are or what tuning is still left to be done @tepid cedar

[coarse nest]

Million!?

[winter shoal]

Yes

[coarse nest]

Oh man they want everybody to get the big G!

[winter shoal]

All the mods were similar-ish and then one was quite literally 1m dps higher

[marble pilot]

1m dps from belt means a nerf is coming lol. thats a whole extra person for some raid groups

[winter shoal]

Yeah obviously that's not going live like that

[coarse nest]

Surely

[winter shoal]

Well knowing blizzard's lack of QA and proper version control, it might go live like that

But it's almost certainly not intended to

[south kayak]

Idk about that considering they made the corruption enchants pretty close for the most part

[earnest canyon]

What if I can't get cartel token as I'm back in the hospital

[remote bobcat]

[earnest canyon]

Will John blizzard have pity

[remote bobcat]

cartel chip catch-up was announced

ye

[earnest canyon]

Oh cool, thanks

[quiet breach]

when?

[remote bobcat]

#news message

[feral ivy]

i was doing a 10 as off tank so i know my dmg is shit but shammy has no NONE

did they recieve a random nerf that wasnt suppose to happen again?

[keen kindle]

No?

Ele should be fine

[feral ivy]

wild

[keen kindle]

tbh looks like a skill issue

a massive one at that

[coarse nest]

What a name

[feral ivy]

he was 680 ivll and 3k i.o

[echo rapids]

Sleepwalking then

Just chain casting chain lightning is like 1.5m dps

[marble pilot]

My 600 shammy does more than that

[whole yacht]

my 585 druid does more than that

bro must have been afk

[dense elbow]

It is a 10, he probably watching a movie and just keeping half an eye on the game, pressing buttons in a semirandom pattern

[gilded pawn]

bro needs one button rotation helper

+hekili

[dense elbow]

One button gonna make 10 farm so chill

[flat river]

real

https://tenor.com/view/cat-squish-cat-squishy-pat-gif-23473024

[tepid cedar]

Probably bought IO. Some people are just extremely casual.

1 button rotation will be a god send for the game tbh

[modest condor]

no people are genuinely that bad in a +10

[tepid cedar]

lol I’m just trying to play devils advocate and give them benefit of a doubt

But yea. Ppl don’t know there’s an interrupt button.

[dense elbow]

I still find my reasoning to be the most likely

Just going through the motions, no care and no soul put into the key

[tepid cedar]

lol I watch movies the entire 10 runs and still fuck

But then again warrior hits 2 keys according to ppl

Little do they know we use 3 keys

[dense elbow]

1 button sequence macro was enough to top DPS in S1, so yeah

[tepid cedar]

1 button assist will be good for the game man

It’s just that I think will be to prideful to use it

[dense elbow]

For sure, not joking. I believe it will do wonders for many and make their gameplay infinitely more enjoyable

Once blizz makes an in-game DPS meter, I believe they will start to play and compare. Not to mention care

[plush zephyr]

I hope you can’t turn that shit off

[flat river]

Me when GM tells me to use rallying cry: sorry it hasn't come up on one-button yet

[plush zephyr]

loool

[tepid cedar]

I just hope all these in game things are better for fps and performance too

[plush zephyr]

Shouldn’t work with defensives or lust, will probably work for interrupts though

[tepid cedar]

Since they are “native”

[dense elbow]

Should be... Hopefully, maybe

[tepid cedar]

Still pissed they force us to have the profiling on. Shits crazy

[flat river]

NOOO INTERRUPT IS DPS LOSS

[plush zephyr]

Hekili has interrupts, so, I’m sure the baked in thing will too but idk

[dense elbow]

Yeah, tanks my load in speed

[winter shoal]

who is "they" that's forcing profiling?

[dense elbow]

Blizz

[winter shoal]

what has forced profiling in game?

[dense elbow]

Addon monitor

[tepid cedar]

Was legit like a 20fps 1% lows

[dense elbow]

I am sure they will optimise it in the future

Surely

[tepid cedar]

Shit we don’t need it lol I guarantee it’s taking hidden metrics and sending it to them

[dense elbow]

I mean, that wouldn't come as a suprise. But as long that data is used to make the game better, meh

They can know I use mews in my WAs and my ignore list is extended

Nothing to hide

[slim coral]

Buff fury

[winter shoal]

This thing? Or am I cooked and you're talking about something else

[tepid cedar]

I really think new belt is gona be moneeeyyy for us

[tepid cedar]

Damn lol

Hit escape. Then hit addons

The profiler is on the top

Just causes your cpu to monitor addons and it’s pretty hefty. Especially since wow is still only running on a single core essentially

[slim coral]

For raid maybe but it ain’t doing much for us in keys

[echo meteor]

Doing fury for first time in a long time and need a 2nd 2her. What am I doing wrong where this parses so oddly?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/d3STvN4693T4RnFmg3DtWy
I don't see how my current 671 and 645 weapons will outparse a 681 and 671 weapon...

[slim coral]

Idk why you’re simming 5 targets but you’re 18 item levels lower than most people by now

645 is very low

Trinkets are also bad

[dense elbow]

Did you just correct 2 ilvls?

[slim coral]

Ye don’t want some actual Andy coming for me

[echo meteor]

The parse is comparing gear of a 671 and 645 to a (to be crafted) 681 and 671

[modest condor]

http://puu.sh/KuUHm/6a973f0560.png http://puu.sh/KuUHp/56182b33cf.png

[dense elbow]

Apo answered

[echo meteor]

Oh

so I added two peices of gear but they're replacing each other anyways, silly me

[slim coral]

Basically your character is cooked and you need lots of gear

[winter shoal]

[hushed gust]

I would suggest looking at WoWhead to see updated talent builds, of course, but in AoE, consider Mountain Thane, assuming an M+ scenario.

[echo meteor]

I was only looking for why my weapons were parsing incorrectly and @modest condor pointed it out - thanks

[slim coral]

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-cat-happy-cat-smile-gif-3555983607747631247

[red berry]

whats it gonna do for us

[tepid cedar]

We scale really well with secondary stats

And the belt adds a good bit from what I saw

lol. I wonder if you can equip cyrces with the belt. Especially with all the mastery lol

[dense elbow]

We... scale... with... gear...

[modest condor]

SOMEONE SAID THE S WORD

WEEWOOWEEWOOWEEWOO

[coarse nest]

Silly scaler

[modest condor]

@tepid cedar hand in your retail badge, back to classic you go

[sinful spoke]

we scale with gear

[undone flower]

we scale with number of targets

[winter shoal]

with an asterisk

[tepid cedar]

😭

[echo rapids]

Only dracthyr warriors scale

[modest condor]

real

[fiery edge]

foory will become fury in season 3

[mellow kiln]

noob ass question do I want to macro my house of cards to reckless or avatar?

[tired dragon]

avatar

[mellow kiln]

thx

[hushed gust]

watch the affix in m+. you probably already know this, but one of the affixes reduces cooldown timers, but it doesn't touch trinkets.

of course, this is assuming you're not doing 12+

[mellow kiln]

gotcha

[gusty compass]

I've noticed when i started play with Best-in-Slots my overall dmg is lower than im using a normal weapon. Am i stupid or am i using it wrong? Do i need to reconfigure it before the fight and when im combat use the item for the buff?

I switched back to a normal weapon and suddenly my dmg spiked much higher

[cosmic sundial]

You shouldn’t need to reconfigure. It should always be in the melee form

You might be using it in the caster form

Do you happen to have a log of this loss in damage?

[gusty compass]

Hmm, it might have been that.

Fucking hell im stupid as fuck

[cosmic sundial]

[gusty compass]

I didnt know it went to "caster form"

[cosmic sundial]

Yeah if you use it out of combat it gives intellect

[gusty compass]

I reconfigure it now and it switched to Str and Stam it was first intellect

[cosmic sundial]

That’s the reconfigure part of it

[gusty compass]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-facepalm-oh-no-gif-17961054

[red berry]

https://tenor.com/view/mello-mello-death-note-death-note-anime-eyes-gif-19168178

[fading sky]

Dracthyr race is so underrated

[summer quail]

On warrior it's overrated(str wise)

[fading sky]

No way

Qol

Is real

I float everywhere🤣

[summer quail]

We have 2 charges and leap, our in combat mobility is insane

[fading sky]

Addon floaty boy

Nah for real, its 100% not needed but feels very nice every knoxkback ability

• outside platforms u can charge or leap

But u can float

[summer quail]

it was very nice on ansurek, this raid not really anything like that. who knows maybe next tier again

[smoky vale]

for mugzee intermission

do you charge walk leap

or

[summer quail]

leap first, if close use cloak, then charge the others i think. idk had to play arms on mugzee so brain is scrambled

[smoky vale]

i wasnt able to charge 3rd one

[summer quail]

wdym

you died?

[fading sky]

Oh as i said qol not any power

[summer quail]

ye fair

[smoky vale]

yeah

too many times

[summer quail]

save leap for 3rd then

[remote bobcat]

hello

[south kayak]

I dreamed we killed a boss and I got shit parse

I am cooked

[smoky vale]

it happesn to me too

[vague tapir]

Sorry to break this to you but dreams rarely come true.

You’re probably hard stuck on that boss now, never clearing the raid and your guild only has your inability to dream more effectively to blame.

[south kayak]

We almost killed Sprocket last raid but a warrior made a mistake a leaped to the raid

Knockbacks ensue

Classic warrior

[vague tapir]

Damn. You’re definitely perma 4/8 now.

[remote bobcat]

Warrior has exactly zero reasons to ever click leap back into the group, it should always be leap onto mine or bust

on sprocket

so whats goin on with him

O.o

[south kayak]

We kicked our tank so we might skip next raid night

[south kayak]

It was a missclick

[remote bobcat]

???

[south kayak]

I don’t know, that’s what he said

[vague tapir]

Unless he’s using an @cursor macro for his leap that’s hard to believe, and also why I’d never use one for something like leap

[south kayak]

Yeah I don’t use that for leap

It doesn’t matter, this boss is dying

[remote bobcat]

could you link the logs?

I'd love to see his leap

[south kayak]

He miss clicked the leap right after getting CR’d

I don’t have the logs on me

[remote bobcat]

😭

does he usually perform?

[south kayak]

Yeah he’s really good, just unfortunate

That was the first time something like that happened

[remote bobcat]

odd

[south kayak]

I play an evoker

[vague tapir]

@ancient ridge Do you still have the link to the logs of Luuk disengaging off the bridge in HoA? That replay is absolute cinema.

[south kayak]

That fight is nice for evoker, hover makes everything pog

Halls of atonement my favorite SL dungeon

[south kayak]

Your pfp freaks me out sometimes

[remote bobcat]

what? why

[south kayak]

Idk lol

It’s odd

[remote bobcat]

its just a dude looking to the right

[summer quail]

he has no mouth tho

[remote bobcat]

yea so

i can add a mouth

but why would that even make a diffy

[summer quail]

people tend to have mouths

[south kayak]

Gearing up alts with turbo sucks

[eternal sundial]

its like a crash dummy

[south kayak]

Please don’t do it again

[eternal sundial]

without the stripes

[eternal sundial]

my name is box and i like complaining

[vague tapir]

I get where Box is coming from. It’s less unsettling when I look at it bigger but when it’s tiny it’s weird. It’s not even creepy though, it’s just unsettling.

[remote bobcat]

nah this is worse

[south kayak]

What’s wrong with that

[summer quail]

he looks so happpy

[remote bobcat]

so do i change to this mouth version orr

[vague tapir]

He looks so happy and naive to the cruelty and misery in the world though, like a cute puppy.

[summer quail]

you do whatever you feel like. dont let box decide for you

[remote bobcat]

I'm empathic enough to care if someone feels uncomfortable

[south kayak]

It’s not that serious lol

I was making a conversation

It doesn’t come across that way on text probably

But it’s not serious

It looks a little odd, but that’s fine

[remote bobcat]

what about nose version

[south kayak]

It looks like those robots in I Robot

Kind of

Honestly your current one looks better

A little mysterious

[remote bobcat]

i can also go back to the cat pfp yknow

these tend to be the cat pfp options

[eternal sundial]

homeless version with receeding hairline

brought to you by mspaint

[south kayak]

What am I doing here

[remote bobcat]

[south kayak]

That’s the vegeta hairline

[fading sky]

Winner

[remote bobcat]

can you make the beard more patchy

or is that option long gone

[eternal sundial]

i didnt save the image and closed paint

[remote bobcat]

[eternal sundial]

but i assure you you dont need a lot of talent to recreate the edits

take the normal clicking tool, dont adjust anything and pretend you are keying a car

[remote bobcat]

i could never recreate the passion of yours

the creative idealism is too strong

[vague tapir]

This is uncanny. It’s like looking in the mirror and seeing my future self.

[remote bobcat]

future self ?

[vague tapir]

The one thing about me that is entirely broken or fucked up in some way is my hairline.

[remote bobcat]

amen

[eternal sundial]

Inshallah my hairline will not receed

4 years from now im the age by dad went bald

[radiant plank]

[eternal sundial]

Dont clueless me

[vague tapir]

But nothing lasts forever. My Dad’s hairline didn’t start receding until his mid 70s though so I’ve got the better part of 40 years until I’m completely screwed.

[eternal sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/pregnant-man-react-dont-dm-me-were-done-discord-react-wapple-gif-16524807899514484212

My embed

Cmon man

[remote bobcat]

My dad's hairline receded when he turned 22. I'm 24. My hairline hasn't moved a bit.

I'm praying day and night

for my hair to stay

[summer quail]

how old are you? i had gigathick hair and then when 25-26 it has been downhill since then

[eternal sundial]

21

So it's legit in time

The big 25

[remote bobcat]

dont forget that a maturing hairline doesnt necessarily mean that your hairline is receding

your corners will become more visible

[south kayak]

I’m 29 and I think it has receded a bit on the sides

[remote bobcat]

but that wont mean ur balding

[south kayak]

I have long hair

[eternal sundial]

Dad has full bald

Like there's only on the side left

[remote bobcat]

oof.

[summer quail]

i heard baldness is dependant on mothers genetics. if that is true look at your grandpa

[south kayak]

Normalize balding, it’s part of life

[eternal sundial]

Dead for like 15 years so idk anymore

[south kayak]

That is not giving me hope

[remote bobcat]

its for sure dependant on genetics, but not only the mothers or fathers

[south kayak]

He’s bald as shit

[eternal sundial]

If it receeds im cutting it off

No combover

[south kayak]

Depends on how it looks

[eternal sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/g2-caps-deafeat-karmine-corp-kcorp-kc-gif-2691968628949143528

[remote bobcat]

capsie

[eternal sundial]

This i want to avoid

Hairline i mean

Not being Western goat

Id be ok with that

[south kayak]

Everyone wants to avoid that

But it’s not up to us

[remote bobcat]

ok but caps has never had completely dense hair

[eternal sundial]

I mean it's ok for him ngl

[south kayak]

How old is he

In there

[eternal sundial]

But i think personally id go skinhead

25

[south kayak]

Say that in another way

[summer quail]

caps has gone skinhead before. looked better than balding

[radiant plank]

Alright German

[eternal sundial]

Just cuz im german i cant be a Skinhead or

Pepela

[radiant plank]

no I mean

its a trait u are born with

default

as german

[eternal sundial]

[radiant plank]

pepelaf

[remote bobcat]

Geheimratsecken are on their way

[south kayak]

Yeah some people look better with hair than bald even if it looks bad

[radiant plank]

Buzzit

[south kayak]

I’m cooked

[radiant plank]

Phil

buzz it

[eternal sundial]

They dont understand the things i eat for dinner

[radiant plank]

3mm buzz

[eternal sundial]

Hungry hungry hippos

[eternal sundial]

Atm i have like semi long but i might bruzzcut yeh

[eternal sundial]

My dad is like if you had a Tonsur

It's kinda orror

It's März but none of the dot on the Stirn

And grey

[summer quail]

you can try buzzcut before balding. i knew i was likely gonna lose my hair eventually so i tried buzz at 20

[south kayak]

My sides are like a bit inward so any cut where I have to cut the sides looks weird on me, I don’t know if that makes sense

[summer quail]

just to see what you would look like

[eternal sundial]

The main thing is it legit took

[south kayak]

[eternal sundial]

2 years for it be nice and long

And the Phase between normal and long

Is so dogshit asscockaids

[south kayak]

Are you using buns

[eternal sundial]

Sometimes

[south kayak]

I have long hair and I’m using a bun

Best I’ve ever looked tbh, nothing really worked for me

[remote bobcat]

guys im nuzlocking and my next gym level cap is 29. How the fuck do i get growlithe and onyx up to speed

😭

cooked

[eternal sundial]

Shlongdong

[south kayak]

Does anyone else have streaks of white/grey hair?

[remote bobcat]

non

[eternal sundial]

Only on my balls

[summer quail]

i have a single grey hair in my beard

[south kayak]

I have a few on the right side of the top of my hairline

Looks cool

[remote bobcat]

im blonde so i have streaks of platinum blond hair in my beard that end up resembling grey

[south kayak]

My hair is dark

[radiant plank]

Yeah on my left side I have a white patch of hair from when I cracked my skull

[south kayak]

[remote bobcat]

BASED trauma induced white hair

[south kayak]

Have you guys seen those people who have grey hair like way earlier

Mid 30s

[remote bobcat]

yea

[summer quail]

there was a league of legends caster who had full grey hair in his 20s

i don't remember his name

[south kayak]

That looks cool imo

[eternal sundial]

Depends

[remote bobcat]

if ur hairline suffers along with your hair color then it doesnt look that cool

[south kayak]

That’s true

I mean if you have a good head of hair

And it’s grey etc

It does look cool

[remote bobcat]

very very big "if" right there

[south kayak]

Yep

[iron portal]

Soon i hope

But my beard is getting lighter in some spots

Maybe it is comming

[dense sedge]

Just returning from a break since s1

Do we still macro Reck and avatar and roar together

[sand crest]

not unless you wanna roar without enrage

but reck and ava yes

[fast mural]

we play AM now so you gonna get 2-3 reck uses for every avatar use
still need to track the CD

[remote bobcat]

we dont do that

combatstart > reck > charge > ava > rampage

[fast mural]

yeah you use reck before charging in
you would use roar when not at the boss

[remote bobcat]

you can macro reck>ava>charge together

as an opener macro

[bitter palm]

might as well macro the entire opener atp

[remote bobcat]

real

just 1 button assist the opener

[modern slate]

hey im new , and im enjoing playing fury, but everyone is telling me, that class is garbage in case of endgame content... u guys have some tips for me in case of dps to not get gatekeept in M+ groups etc.?

[undone flower]

Make the group, add ppl in friend list

And fury struggle in push m+, raid is fine

[modern slate]

true

u guys think he will get a buff next patch in case of M+

?

[vague tapir]

It might be relatively stronger but it's unlikely any of the fundamental limitations will change mid-expansion.

Run your own key, invite specs that would make for a good physical comp (any monk, resto/feral druids, resto/enhance shaman, hunters, rogues) and add people to your friends list who were decent and/or enjoyable to play with.

[undone flower]

And i don’t think we will get simple buffs, bc raid wise is really fine

And ppl to add in priority to your friend list are tanks and healers obviously, if you think you had a really good run, don’t be afraid to ask bnet

[vague tapir]

Even then I'd try not to overthink it though, the main thing is to run your own key and even having another dps player of a similar skill level whose company you enjoy will do wonders for your success and enjoyment.

[bitter palm]

no

fury needs an expansion level rework

to be good in m+

[fading sky]

Not rly

Meatcleaver

20% more

And we prob preeetty good

😅🤣

It is surprising they havent buffed the % if they wsnt us to be great at 5t

[modern slate]

so that means, to be better in M+ in case of DPS -> switch to arms?

[junior oyster]

How high of keyes you tryna do?

[modern slate]

+10

[remote bobcat]

no difference.

fury loses to arms in higher keys

the difference is primarily seen in keys higher than 14s or 15s ish

both fury and arms are perfectly capable of doing great dps output as seen in these ranking for floodgate 10s

[modern slate]

okay nice to know

in fact, that means if im progressing and reach +14 , my class is technical bad in view to other classes/specs?

[remote bobcat]

warrior sucks in high keys yea

we get more invites than last season but its still bad

people play uhdk, balance druid and mage 90% of the time

with retribution paladin flexing into one of these spots at times

other dps specs have to work to get invited

[junior oyster]

Fortunately for me, I don't care to go past 12 and fury is still fine there

[modern slate]

how sad....

and blizzard is doing nothing against it?

[remote bobcat]

why would they?

we do get invites

[modern slate]

class attraction?

[remote bobcat]

just less likely because pugs are plagued by meta

My guy you can have perfect m+ balance, equalizing every spec in the game, and there's still going to end up situations like this

where some specs are prefered

its applicable to every competitive environment.

in all games

[modern slate]

i mean he dont need to be like an S tier or smth. but some upgrades would be nice, the community calls fury "garbage class"

[junior oyster]

They're being hyperbolic imo

[remote bobcat]

You have to sacrifice a group utility slot to bring warrior. We have no bloodlust and no combat rez. Our raidbuff, battle shout, is valuable but only for half the cast. Compared to druid's mark of the wild? Much less versatile. Thats one of the main reasons why warrior is unpopular. Arms warr is perfectly capable of dishing out crazy damage in high keys, we just dont bring enough to warrant the spot, tbh.

[remote bobcat]

yea but that always happens in pugs

thats pug life

thats why i dont pug if i have the option to skip pugs

and when i do pug, i invite off-meta only.

off meta players are usually better anyway

[modern slate]

the life as warri in wow xD

[remote bobcat]

I don't mind it. I play the game the way I enjoy. I blast in the keys i play, i blast in mythic raid. Life's simple and life's good

ykwim?

[modern slate]

yeah

[remote bobcat]

it's just that I don't expect to be meta relevant in keys so i dont try to get into keys much

otherwise it's just warriors babyraging to get into keys

fk that lol

[junior oyster]

I fill my myth + vault with 10s and raid XD

[remote bobcat]

i mean +12s are usually faster than +10s

cuz better players

but yea i get that

i do the same, roughly

[junior oyster]

It's a simple life

[smoky vale]

yeah login play uh and arcane get invited

🙂

[dense elbow]

Problem with Fury Warrior is that we do less AoE than basically everyone. Including tanks.

Most PuGs fail the first few pulls. The only thing they see on the meters is mass AoE dam. Fury being down there with the tank...

That is the reason why many after seeing this time and time again, avoid us like the plague.

[remote bobcat]

yea but arms also isn't really getting invites

its pug life

[dense elbow]

Neither is shadowpriest. Your point is weak and wobbly at most.

Fury is far less attractive than arms, there is a reason people say "they saw I am Fury, not arms, so I got kicked".

First impression matters far more than what logic you try to bring to front.

[oblique trail]

Also a fairly weak point to bring up failed pulls as the reason why Fury in particular is just bad

People with the best comps also fail pulls

[dense elbow]

What was my reason? Fail as UDK, you still did millions ahead of what you see Fury do

Impression matters a lot

[storm birch]

I mean compared to all other potential melee comp specs arms is right around the same representation at 1.5% in 15’s and above

[oblique trail]

Right but you as a Fury are not the sole factor for failing a pull or not

[dense elbow]

Never said you are

[oblique trail]

And if people look at the meters after and see "Fury didn't do X amount of damage, so it's the reason we failed"

Then it's the peoples mentality that is completely twisted

Which frankly the community's mentality is

[dense elbow]

That is the reason ppl don't like us. And it is.

Glad you agree with me

[oblique trail]

But I am not convinced that at all is what people base their opinions from

I think even despite all the mentally unstable people you find in pugs, that the entire community perception is not just built on singular failed pulls from their many M+ runs

[plain narwhal]

Haven't checked in a while, is single minded fury still bootycheeks

[dense elbow]

After all the hate messages, forum posts and YouTube videos, I find it very likely to be the main issue.

It always boils down to a "we did this pull and Fury was tank DPS lol"

It is stupid, but it is what the people easily see and it is a pattern that happens every key.

[ancient ridge]

I'm so confident that that fact will never change that I will personally ping you if it ever does

[dense elbow]

SMF still bad

[plain narwhal]

Greatly appreciated

It's like the only reason i barely play warrior 😔