fury

[restive peak]

You're reading cope memes of people who play poorly and applying it as actual data

[final birch]

Youre putting too much pressure on priority damage

[clever belfry]

guys

[final birch]

Shit has to die evenly

[final birch]

Not 1 mob 30 sec before the pack

[restive peak]

Actually you're completely wrong, thank you for typing that

[dense elbow]

Prio dam is king, others bring AoE

[final birch]

Youre coping hard buddy

[clever belfry]

🤷‍♂️ depends on how the pack is made up

pack is dead when last mob is dead

many packs have big men in them

[final birch]

Yeah and they die way too fast quite often

[restive peak]

^

[earnest canyon]

is it possible for a huntard to solo soak the mines on sprocket?

[restive peak]

LOL

[final birch]

Or you just chain pull to them

[clever belfry]

fire mage diffed

[earnest canyon]

in a small grp

[restive peak]

Holy fuck, you need to just stop typing

[final birch]

Man

Holy shit

[restive peak]

Guy thinks fire mage was bad in DF too

[final birch]

Youre getting annoying

[restive peak]

For sure

[radiant plank]

no they put a debuff for X amount of seconds

[restive peak]

You know what arms is?

[final birch]

You scream USA

With the way youre typing

[restive peak]

Arms is a shitter version of every single heavy AOE/overall class

Wrong big dog but good try

[earnest canyon]

cant u take one natty, wait a bit, then turtle the last 2?

[coarse nest]

He’s Canada

[summer quail]

doesn't work

[final birch]

Either way hes annoying

[clever belfry]

51st state

[final birch]

And wrong

But stick to 14s thats fine

[restive peak]

I'm definitely wrong at your level sure

[earnest canyon]

ah goddamn it it

[radiant plank]

Almost spread missinfo few

[chrome plover]

[restive peak]

Listen if they give me a 1 to 1 for my dollar I'm down 😛

[earnest canyon]

im talking about HC btw....not mythic

[restive peak]

as long as they bring US prices to canada as well xD

[rare garnet]

Best I can do is Canadia prices and US healthcare

[restive peak]

Big nopes

Honestly our healthcare is dogshit

[coarse nest]

Healthcare in general is dogshit
You have to donate an arm to fix your leg so to speak

[restive peak]

Yeah, we have like 12-14hr emerg waits, some of my clients are doctors (shocker, moooola) and they talk about how they have literally seen people die because of the wait

And they have to act like it's just part of the day

[dense elbow]

Cause it is?

[coarse nest]

Sad that healthcare has turned into “how much can we profit off this”

[restive peak]

It's pretty fucked up when people are dying in emerg because of a lack of workers+overloaded population bro

They're saying if they had 3x the nurses/doctors, those people wouldn't have died

[dense elbow]

Sure. But it still is part of their day, it is not an act

[rare garnet]

[restive peak]

That's their verbiage, not mine

As in "we're expected in meetings to act like nothing is broken and it's acceptable"

[dense elbow]

Cause it has been deemed to be so?

[restive peak]

What are you even arguing

Our healthcare is heavily underfunded and broken

[cosmic sundial]

This doesn't seem like Fury talk

Where's my zug zug

[radiant plank]

Fury players are the ones in Q for mental health services so it technically is

[dense elbow]

He just yapin, so I prod

[coarse nest]

Let’s talk about how prio damage “doesn’t matter” again

[restive peak]

"Well they stopped funding it so it's acceptable"

[coarse nest]

[cosmic sundial]

no idea what you're talking about

:3_:

[restive peak]

Like are you dumb? We can move back to fury, but that's literally the dumbest shit I've ever seen you type x1000 and it's not uncommon for you say dumb shit

[cosmic sundial]

damn

[restive peak]

Anyway

[cosmic sundial]

no custom emotes

[restive peak]

Arms warrs

[radiant plank]

I have that next to my name for a reason

[coarse nest]

You take that back!!!

[radiant plank]

still havnt progged a single fight as fury this tier

[cosmic sundial]

Anyway, 655 ilvl Fury warrior with 2k io gets declined from +6 keys AMA

[radiant plank]

normal day

[coarse nest]

Atleast you’re consistent with the rest of us

[sour frigate]

Im getting declines in 8 with 3k main

[dense elbow]

Lincc got a bad day today, attacking ppl who say Fury overall dam is weak and the ones who say Fury ST is strong

[cosmic sundial]

ah so it doesn't get any better

good

[restive peak]

I think what you said above is ignorant and stupid, actually

Stop typing

[dense elbow]

Go play your monk

[sour frigate]

Warrior life

[restive peak]

Same for me as arms come @ me bro

[sour frigate]

Monk gets insta invites in 13-14

[dense elbow]

Knew it

[radiant plank]

Well fury is weak in aoe and medicore in its prio damage, only "good" in boss damage due to how talents work for that spec

[sour frigate]

But pug is next level

[coarse nest]

https://tenor.com/view/ah-shit-here-we-go-again-gta-sa-cj-gta-again-gif-20425950

[radiant plank]

I dont think outside of ToP and DFC you would ever have a good argument for playing fury

and even in ToP I think arms is better

[dense elbow]

Bosses got to die, and we good players

[radiant plank]

DFC barely favours fury due to its access to constant aoe for the minecart part

[dense elbow]

[oblique trail]

I would argue that Arms ST in Colossus aint even that bad either

Though you can definitely high and low roll your ST as Arms

[sour frigate]

U have to kill boss not pad adds lmao

[granite bison]

Is this the WA i should be using for Execute with Fury spec? Asking cause it says Arms on it.

[oblique trail]

(EB/BL moment)

[radiant plank]

I agree

its definetly much better than it was last season

due to how strong our 4p is for ST

[dense elbow]

Boomies call what you say fake news

[remote bobcat]

Fury slaps in Rook. You have multiple high prio targets. You simply cannot pad as well on the low hp shitter mobs

[sour frigate]

Yeah and rets just divine storm

[dense elbow]

That is funnel

[radiant plank]

Arms owns the last boss due to having more condensed burst profile

[sour frigate]

Its not sadly

[remote bobcat]

I'd say last boss they're equal

[dense elbow]

All fun and games till ele joins the chat

[remote bobcat]

from my personal experience

since i play both

[sour frigate]

[remote bobcat]

and i play with warrs

as well

[eternal sundial]

Fun fury key ye

[oblique trail]

Also crazy Execute phase as Arms!! (play EP)

[eternal sundial]

Perma send on last and enable your group to hold CDs for shield

[radiant plank]

[eager mulch]

Why are we all so mad now, back in legion we would just say challenge accepted and hype eachother- if someone can pump as X spec let them pump

[dense elbow]

Wdum skog

We do hype

[remote bobcat]

what u on about

we hype eachother up all the time

[dense elbow]

Just not on what we can't win on, mass AoE

[restive peak]

Just think arms is a weaker version of the other AOE centric classes, and fury brings more to a team comp; but you could build your comp around arms too, we're good at different things

[radiant plank]

Just think fury is a weaker version of the other Prio damage centric classes, and arms brings more to a team comp; but you could build your comp around fury too(noxiv), we're good at different things

[restive peak]

But at the end of the day, fire mage does both things better all at once

[cosmic sundial]

So is arms aoe just stronger because of Demolish and Cleave? Or is there some other chemical x I'm missing

[restive peak]

Yes we're both right, exactly. Love you boo, love when we talk xo

[trail bane]

dots do no have a target cap

its a small part of the dmg but its something

[restive peak]

Rend/deep wounds spread definitely fucks hard

[rare garnet]

Are people still rocking thane on keys?

[radiant plank]

Constructive talks

[cosmic sundial]

Doesn't TC only hit 8 targets?

[sly crane]

yea

[radiant plank]

15priory before 2nd boss

[trail bane]

it doesnt hit the same targets all the time

so repeated uses means more than 8 dots up

[cosmic sundial]

Fair

[dense elbow]

Softcap, not hardcap, reduced dam after 8

[restive peak]

There's heavy value in bosses dying 30-45s sooner when you have great prio though

[summer quail]

5 rends per clap

[dense elbow]

^

Ppl keep ignoring we so 2m boss DPS when pally does 1m. Pally does 12m AoE when we so 4m

[oblique trail]

I think they should just delete DW/Rend 👍

Useless dots

[remote bobcat]

^

[restive peak]

I quite literally do 30+% more boss dam than basically everyone every key

[sly crane]

I hope we dont get nerfed from first tuning

[remote bobcat]

real

[thick elbow]

i wish blizzard would change our damn target cap cinderbrew and darkflame are infuriating to see classes doing triple dmg in big pulls

[oblique trail]

We perform well in raid but not oppressively so

[sly crane]

where is first class tuning anyways

[remote bobcat]

why not go arms

[dense elbow]

If they Nerf our ST, we cooked

[restive peak]

Class tuning probably coming this week

[summer quail]

prob this week or the one after

[oblique trail]

It's highly unlikely they nerf us

[sly crane]

prob next since today is last day of work week

[thick elbow]

cause arms is boring to play imo idk the hesitation to remove targte cap

[dense elbow]

Well, I remember s1

[restive peak]

Well Tuesday most likely

But yeah

[remote bobcat]

a lot of people say that before even giving arms a proper try.

[cosmic sundial]

It's Blizz, they will nerf war but buff pally

[oblique trail]

shrug

[thick elbow]

i tried just not a fan sadly wish i was

[remote bobcat]

colossus arms is way different compared to slayer

a lot of players try slayer and say its not for them

[oblique trail]

If my class is still playable and I don't feel like I'm griefing by playing it, then I'm fine with it

[summer quail]

funnily enough we got even more capped this week

this expansion

[restive peak]

Yeah Slayer arms is giga boring, colo arms is very involved

[summer quail]

was a bit focused on the word "week" when i typed initially

[remote bobcat]

idk anyone who says "yea no colossus arms is boring" in aoe situations

[dense elbow]

I just want Fury Burst AoE returned, so we got some AoE flare with our prio dam

[oblique trail]

Colossus arms is boring

[radiant plank]

Arms is boring

[south kayak]

Yeah, I think it's boring too

[oblique trail]

And actively detrimental to your mental health if you play with pugs

One outranged demolish and you don't want to play the spec anymore

[south kayak]

I'd rather play fury than arms in M+

[mossy fox]

demo cancelled

gg quit game idd

[restive peak]

LMAO

[summer quail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046046500578406479/1268595618625093682/Demolish_class_fantasy.gif

[sour frigate]

There is cool ability for u called Odyns Fury i heard

[dense elbow]

I love to hate you

[sour frigate]

[sly crane]

I love of as a button but its garbage, feels great to press

[dense elbow]

Btw, thanks to Gala, I now track demolish when I tank.
So I know when to start spasm moving and grip /targetoftarget

arms deserve that pain

[dense elbow]

Arms self reported to be shaman mains under the mask

[restive peak]

PTR server keys let's go

xD

[sly crane]

do they call it arms warrior cause you hit things with your arms

[junior gale]

Do they call it furry warrior cuz only furrys play it.

[dense elbow]

Nah, they call it Fury, cause we always furious about something

[sharp cargo]

the patch notes

[dense elbow]

We get buffed, we furious about it being too little. Nerfed, that it ruins another part of the game than it is intended to address

NGL, if they just let us AoE burst again for big momentarily numbers. Noone would really complain about Fury. The fact we do good prior dam, not overshadowed by looking like banthapoodoo during the whole AoE phase

Also, dopamine feels good 👍

[lost saffron]

play sailing alpha in osrs instead

[restive peak]

Bro runescape was so goated when I was like 10

I remember the times

Everyone rushing home from school

Telling your parents they couldn't make any phonecalls

Jesus I'm old

[timber hare]

😭

[coarse nest]

“Mom I need the phone for the next 12 hours”

I’m cutting logs

[eager mulch]

I remember my first day of WoW, was in BC and I had to play on an IMAC (the kind with semi transparent plastic casing

I got a solid 13 fps

40 when in caves

Took me a year to hit 70 because I got 1 hr to play per day

LOL

[chilly fractal]

I remember getting home from school to play EverQuest for a time… and never making it anywhere in the game

[coarse nest]

Whole heartedly miss those days

[eager mulch]

Not a flex-- I miss me before I was consistently getting r1s in legion-
Now even though coming back I'm trying to be more casual I find myself sweating and having to catch myself

Can't afford to give as much life to the game as I used to

I want my whimsy back

[dense elbow]

This is how it ends up, aint the same situation or same you anymore. Now you a washed up ol' gamer, who shake your head at the youngsters who dont know how good they have it

[eager mulch]

Also my pfp is a decade old now >.>

[hushed walrus]

guys the bt crit tracker do you always bt when it katches or you wait 80 90% above 35%

[warm crag]

i assume the bt tracker kachings when it is the correct button to press which should be >85% crit chance

[hushed walrus]

ok i asked cause mine glows around 33 45 % crit chance

[warm crag]

is it the one in #updates-midnight ?

[hushed walrus]

or >40% while Vicious Contempt is active, maybe its why

[thick fossil]

Could be worse, could be those old BBS muds or Everquest.

[hushed walrus]

when i quick sim on raidbot on 5min i have bt first then rampage then raging blow on raidbot it's raging blows first rampage then bt

[warm crag]

ye idk what that means chief i think you're just listing a damage breakdown of a sim rn

just trust the weakaura archi posted and press it when it glows

[simple frigate]

if you want to take odyn's fury instead of vicious contempt, where do you get the 3rd point to reach it?

[warm crag]

@dense elbow i think you were the OF coper right

[hushed walrus]

when i sim my char below i have the output and it's not what i press with the crit tracker despite the equivalent damage output overall

[smoky vale]

what

[warm crag]

you're either not playing the correct rotation or you're comparing the wrong things

its a theoretical sim result playing a theoretically perfect rotation

[hushed walrus]

the thing is below 20% on sims it should prioritize bt over raging blow but raging blow is more used than bt

[clever path]

gio57

[smoky vale]

my dog was barking at me to wake up for over 1 hour

[warm crag]

how are you seeing this

[smoky vale]

my ears are ringing

[warm crag]

and vicious contempt is 35% not 20%

[hushed walrus]

yes but on sims on raidbots you can sim with execute patchwerk which is <20%

[smoky vale]

no?

what are you looking at

[warm crag]

you can just look at what the apl does ye

[compact siren]

Gio/galastronk be spittin

[rotund ginkgo]

another day

another gapping the shit out of people in ST

[eager thorn]

Feels good after last tier

[rotund ginkgo]

good thing its only viable in M+ where people still hate us! ❤️

[warm crag]

the 2 conditionals that matter are marked in red

[thick fossil]

Until.you run into a good fire mage or Ele shaman.

[rotund ginkgo]

good + ele shaman

?

[warm crag]

are you literally just talking about the number of raging blow presses here or

[rotund ginkgo]

i only met like 3 good fire mages and i dont get gapped, they just have a similar ST number to mine.

[warm crag]

cause u get like infintie RB resets while bloodthirst is like once every 4 gcds or so

[thick fossil]

There are some out in the weeds. It's just there are WAY too many fotm rerollers from s1 still.

[rotund ginkgo]

i legit

havent met a good ele shaman

they all either pump + die a lot (bad)

or they dont die but they just do 8mil one pack and then 2mil for 3 packs in a row

and i havent met an enha shaman that didnt floorpov at least 4+ times this season

max ive seen was 7 and least was 4

[acoustic seal]

i remember that and the og Diablo on battle.net

good memories

[rotund ginkgo]

missing 1 13 is diabolical

let me in workshop so i can time it and then freely run my key since it wont be depletable below 13

[coarse nest]

I’m trying to hit the 13 base this weekend

Just going to roll my own key all weekend so goodluck rng

[hushed walrus]

yeah i'm talking about the number of raging blow pressed

[coarse nest]

13 flood in bags

[warm crag]

you have at least 3 engines which refund raging blow charges while bloodthirst is on a hard locked 3 gcd cd

[rose rain]

[warm crag]

it also doesnt help that roughly every 3 abilities you generate enough rage for a rampage so you delay the bloodthirst by an additional gcd

you also want to dump rb charges after a bladestorm

[coarse nest]

Do you continue to dump RB charges after BS if it resets one or more times before the rampage?

Assuming less than 5 SS stacks

[warm crag]

ye you wanna go all the way to 5 ss charges if you can without losing enrage

afaik the sim doesnt even care and just sends it at 4

[coarse nest]

Even if BT Crit goes over 100% doesn’t matter in that scenario right?

[warm crag]

idk follow prio

which seems to be to ignore bt until you rampage

[coarse nest]

True yeah I don’t believe prio specifys that scenario though

Probably a minor technicality

[winter shoal]

BF ramp with SS stacks is higher prio than 85%BT

[fervent yoke]

I just use the BT tracker WA it bumped my dps

[winter shoal]

The BT crit thing is still filler prio, it's just high in the filler prio

[coarse nest]

The BT wa will kaching during scenarios where you can RB for more SS stacks after BS but before rampage

So that’s what we’re discussing

@ super

[warm crag]

need to fix my sd conditional weakaura

grr!

[hushed walrus]

sry what's bf ?

[lapis eagle]

i changed sound to swoosh so all raid is now katching and swoosh

[coarse nest]

Brutal finish

[hushed walrus]

k thx

[coarse nest]

The slayer talent that buffs your next rampage after Bladestorm

[hushed walrus]

yeah

[rotund ginkgo]

boyfriend

[rotund ginkgo]

wym

i just timed it

its insane how its an easy key if people actually just have interrupt bound

[chilly fractal]

You saying I can play the game on hardmode if I just take that off my bars?

[rotund ginkgo]

frrr

[coarse nest]

True true

I actually really enjoy flood

[forest owl]

https://mythicstats.com/dps?dungeon=&period=1003 how much can you trust data like this?

[rotund ginkgo]

just be me

gap

[thorny cove]

how yall getting into 13s?

[rotund ginkgo]

floodgate gap

nolife/run ur own

no other way

[thorny cove]

I can't even get into 12s

[rotund ginkgo]

theres legit 3 ways to get up in keys as no meta

1. nolife
2. run ur own
3. network

NO Other possibility

anyone saying otherwise is literally lying

"get a premade" is networking btw

[thorny cove]

I did no life and still can't get in

[rotund ginkgo]

define nolifing

how many declines a day

[thorny cove]

I have every 11 accept 1 timemd

[rotund ginkgo]

how many dph u got (declines per hour)

[thorny cove]

oh that's what you mean

[rotund ginkgo]

what ilvl are u

[thorny cove]

657

[rotund ginkgo]

yeah

get higher ilvl and either sit in que forever and pray

or simply run ur own

or network

[thorny cove]

guess I'll just play the wait for 10 myth track vault game and get it when im 675 I cba

[wise canyon]

Just spec prot

Ez game

[forest owl]

im 663 barely get into 11s farless 12s, scores only 2670 though that might be why i dunno

[thorny cove]

I rather quit than play tank

[modest condor]

meanwhile im playing with a premade and i was 2670 before i was ilvl 650

i just asked people from my raid team that showed interest in m+ whether they wanted to play together

and by showed interest i mean did more than their weekly vault keys

[thorny cove]

yeah I don't raid mythic it's a giant waste of time

one prestigious mount you can just farm in 3-4 years without spending 10-12 hours weeks

[modest condor]

i never did it for the mount

[chilly fractal]

Why play the game with that logic

[modest condor]

getting the mount is nice ofcourse, but i would still have raided mythic if there were no mount drops

[thorny cove]

I mean I just go for fomo mounts

[remote bobcat]

that statement is hypocritical aint it

[thorny cove]

I have 10 ksm mounts, 10 glad, all 5 cm mounts

[forest owl]

yeah not many interested in pushing keys in my guild, im sure if they did, we'd have score and be banging out the 12s np

[chilly fractal]

So you’d mythic raid if it didn’t go down to a 1% drop rate after the xpack

[thorny cove]

ya

[fading bane]

playing the game solely to increase ur number in the mount collection or what lol

[remote bobcat]

just curious @thorny cove why do u think people mythic raid?

[thorny cove]

for progression on difficult bosses

[remote bobcat]

You say its a waste of time

[thorny cove]

but legion kinda broke me when I was in a shit guild that couldn't kill mythic argus after 500 attempts

[remote bobcat]

so there must be an incentive

what do you think that is ?

[chilly fractal]

It’s called fun

[thorny cove]

yeah wiping to a boss 300 times is not fun

it's the equivalency of watching paint dry

[remote bobcat]

speak for yourself

[eager mulch]

But then on pull 374 you kill it and get a r1 parse and feel legendary

[remote bobcat]

The light at the end of the dark tunnel is whats fun

[thorny cove]

I am? It's almost like I'm entitled to my own opinion or something crazy how that works

[remote bobcat]

not the act of trespassing the tunnel itself

[fading bane]

there is one thing wipiing 300 times and progressing

Its an entirely different thing to wipe 300 times cus u got some ppl that just cannot learn

[chilly fractal]

And that’s when you have your warrior.exe moment

[neon blade]

Anyone willing to go over my mythic Rik Reverb Kill with me? I took a tier off warrior on DH and Ive come back to fury and im just playing like shit. Gone from oranges to grays.

[fading bane]

If you progress with ppl way below your skill lvl you wont enjoy it

[warm crag]

rik reverb is not a real fight

you will parse badly playing the fight perfectly and parse insanely well griefing the fight in ways you cannot imagine

[fading bane]

Rik Reverb u press ur CDs on CD

can hold BS for barrels if u need dmg on them

[remote bobcat]

it has absolutely dogshit scripting

[thorny cove]

also after WoD raiding kinda became a full time job

[neon blade]

My boss dmg and my add dmg are abyssmal

[chilly fractal]

I agree with you there

[thorny cove]

"hey guys make sure to run your 8 keys a week during prog so you can get a 0.1% upgrade"

yeah fuck that

[neon blade]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/T67AFgyx38RtVb4G?type=damage-done&fight=last

[chilly fractal]

I had to quit after EN until SL basically… anytime I tried to come back I couldn’t keep up

[forest owl]

my guild killed it last night, i ignored pylon draining man i have damage to be doing aint got no time for no damn pylons

[chilly fractal]

I’d get off work at 5 get home at 6 have raid at 8, would be expected to do M+ and do WQs for AP etc… couldn’t do it

[fading bane]

yikes

[warm crag]

you griefed your guild ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[restive peak]

Rik is such a meh fight dude

[forest owl]

[chilly fractal]

It ain’t grief if you kill it

[forest owl]

there was 2 deaths and they died to their own shit so idgaf xD

[solemn plover]

yes it is grief if your greed causes even 1 wipe

[forest owl]

let's be clear i drained on other pulls through the night but just not the pull that happened to be the kill lol

[fading bane]

Are you assigned to drain or are you winging it?

[forest owl]

nah we're just told anyone does it.

so ofc you get some that take giga stacks and others barely any some none

[fervent yoke]

My guild made ranged do pylons 😊

[remote bobcat]

do u have like zero melee ? or how do your ranges rotate through all pylons

or are u talkin heroic

[thorny cove]

you think if I mained a meta spec I would have a better time getting into keys or is it pretty much the same unless you play healer or tank

like if I mained fire mage for example

[warm crag]

it'll still suck but it'll suck less

[restive peak]

You'd have a slightly better time but still wait awhile

[forest owl]

play blue class or priest gg

[restive peak]

You're 1 of 100+ people

to every key

[clever belfry]

balls

[warm crag]

if you want to actually minmax you will friendmax and find friends to play with holy moly

[sour frigate]

[thorny cove]

I will give credit where credit is due tho

I've seen some really talented veng dhs

[gusty quiver]

why aint we using spear on ST anymore?

[thorny cove]

like they perfectly chain cc on a groups of trash

[fervent yoke]

if you can get some guildies to time some 10s with then you should see more invites. I hardly get declined now.

[thorny cove]

I already have almost every 11 timed I'm talking past that

[fervent yoke]

Ahhh true yeah that’s meta territory gonna be hard to break from that hive mind

[thorny cove]

dumb question

[sour frigate]

Meta coolstorybob

[thorny cove]

do people meta slave because it's easier or because the numbers actually support their decision?

like for example noxiv's group makes it work, but are they also having to try way harder than a meta comp?

[oblique trail]

Because both roar and spear are bad options realistically, but roar is infinitely easier to use

[oblique trail]

people meta slave because they want to play what's meta because it's either strong, or because community perception means they'll get easier invites to pugs

[sour frigate]

Non meta comps have lower ceiling

But 11s are kinda floor lvl

[wind haven]

What are some high key streamers or youtubers that I could watch play fury? 🤔

[thorny cove]

noxiv, critcake

[fickle cedar]

critcake abandoned us for arms

[sour frigate]

[fervent yoke]

You could always OS prot in keys that’s what did last season when fury got gutted

[sour frigate]

Gutted (was still better than big variety of specs)

[humble plover]

I thought Crit was an arms enjoyer? And abandoned them to play fury, now he's just going home

[sour frigate]

[olive wraith]

Pretty sure crit just plays whichever

[humble plover]

I mean most do, but there is still the one that you prefer and I think he prefers arms

[torpid elbow]

just crafted 675 weap and 1st trinket is hero and the 2nd trinket is champ but still currently lf mechano hero 😦 gonna get the wrists next but i also got the wrist out of a heroic raid so not sure if i should still craft my wrists

[thorny cove]

is arms better on 8+ targ than fury? feels like I always lose on dam whenever a tank does gigachad pulls

[torpid elbow]

whenever tank does that and sucks them all in i usally use tb and get the ww 4 stack then i apply pressure

[fickle cedar]

you craft them for free at 658 with the free runed crest on next reset

[torpid elbow]

okay thats good 2 know

[fair thistle]

can someone tell me why on bloodmallet "remnant of darkness" is that low ?

i feel like its effect is kinda good

[summer quail]

coz it's shit

[fair thistle]

thats not an answer lol

[torpid elbow]

it is shit

[summer quail]

it is. just not the one you were looking for

[restive peak]

It's just bad

It doesn't do good things

[humble plover]

Unacceptable answer, do all of the math for me

[fair thistle]

dk i felt like it was still less bad than "ratfang toxin" haha

[white wave]

feelings vs math in this game math always wins

[oblique trail]

Right, but you are comparing bad to worse

[fair thistle]

thats not what i meant

[oblique trail]

Ratfang and Remant are just both not good, at the very least compared to other alternatives

You can go farm out a seaforium instead, and you have your passive slot sorted for both Fury and Arms, and get House of Cards from the raid, or hopefully get a mechano-core/energy drink from the vault as a 2nd passive option

[fair thistle]

i said "kinda good" but wanted to say "not that bad"

got already seaforium

just dropped remnant in a key, asked myself how it was doing

HoC went on other of my MM raid members

[humble plover]

Well unfortunately trinket game this patch seems bad. My sac still sims higher than all the dungeon options other than pacemaker and piroy trinket and Id rather just not use the 2 min on use lmao

[fair thistle]

on the other slot i have sprocket's trinket which is okay, willing to replace it asap

[winter shoal]

Capstones are all bad but roar is slightly less bad

[clever belfry]

ratfang angle

[fair thistle]

played with it (not my will i swear) first 3 mythic downs lol

horrible

[summer quail]

pretty fun

[fickle cedar]

gz, did they fix having to restart it after every try for the adds ? did it last week and it was a pain in the ass

[short igloo]

how fast do we break the old tier set? is a 15/20 ilvl piece upgrade enough to break the 4set?

[eager mulch]

I'm just returning and getting started but do delves get harder? I did level 8 last night in almost entirely greens with 1 blue wep

[summer quail]

yeahh i think so atleast? only tried 3 times today and all were fine

[fickle cedar]

sim and it will tell you, 2set s1 is kinda decent so if you brake it for random pieces they probably have to be quite high

[short igloo]

okay i will do that 😄 thanks

[eager mulch]

Just wondering because i saw people trying to sell 8s in chat as I flew around doing quests

[young swan]

only thing that could be called hard is ?? underpin

[thick elbow]

god i hope they eventually make dinars for mythic plus. 23 runs for cinderbrew neck and nothign is rough

[edgy widget]

dinar is only for cantrip items anyway

[thick elbow]

yea but a way to buy something so you arent farming 20+ runs for each item u want

[young swan]

yeah but ur not even gonna use it on m+ items other than trinkets

[barren dagger]

just to get this straight... when i'm above 5 targets in aoe i spam BT to fish for thunder blast procs? or doesn't matter the target number?

[thick elbow]

i mean like have a raid dinara and mythic plus dinars

like if u get to 2500 u get one dinar and 3k another

[young swan]

oh

yeah that would be nice

[winter shoal]

Casuals would hate that

People who don't have the time or inclination to get 2.5k/3k otherwise, I mean

[sand crest]

casuals already get hero path from delves

[winter shoal]

Keys in that io range would be FULL of demons

[winter shoal]

Dinar gear would go up to max myth track, no? Like the s4 bullion gear

[sand crest]

yeah probably, what I more so mean is, if ur casual and not looking to do high m+ or raid, why would you care about having anything more than hero path

full 665 gear is already way overkill for tier 8 delves, let alone outdoor content

[chilly fractal]

How many times did Brann try to ruin your attempts

[summer quail]

idk, he didn't fully ruin them. whenever i died it was just me being stupid

funnily enough on the kill he jumped to brann several times when i tried to move him away

[quiet breach]

when do we get the first dinar

[undone flower]

i pray for the downfall of fire mage in 5 hours

[ivory skiff]

A quick question. Is it worth running two Gurthalak, Voice of the Deeps

[fluid pollen]

Why 5 hrs?

[young swan]

#mop-discussion

[coarse nest]

What is it like 6 weeks to go for mythic best in slots!?

[mossy fox]

correct but i'm defo doing more as arms than fury in keys

raid is pmuch all fury though

[eager mulch]

Im still insurmountably lost trying to absorb all the things I need to know after taking a 6 year break

Or was it 5

[undone flower]

Usual blizzard end of week bluepost timing

[willow patrol]

how do you think fury are doing in terms of getting invited to keys and usefulness in dungeons?

and how does it differ from arms

[olive wraith]

Dps is hard to get invites in general

Don’t think it matters arms v fury

[coarse nest]

Inb4: we wanted to shake up the dinar system so we decided this time around items in the shop will be from the mythic plus pool

https://tenor.com/view/dead-my-honest-reaction-damn-skull-skeleton-gif-15885937969029652188

[undone flower]

you have to kill the boss on this char

[willow patrol]

i play feral mostly and its pretty reasonable

i think

at least 10s and 11

[undone flower]

My friend is in 12-14 range as feral and does competitive damage with others for now

[celest sierra]

is Cyrcys circuit really our bis ring?

[winter shoal]

Feral kinda deece

[celest sierra]

Feral is monsterous rn

[willow patrol]

yeah, im just waiting for everything to fall apart and be nerfed

[winter shoal]

but probably for most of the season ya

[willow patrol]

just like prot warrior

[winter shoal]

Don't look at the pwar damage

Just the feral

🙂

[undone flower]

Nop if feral is top, they will leave it

[fickle cedar]

yeah feral is insane but they barely play it

[quiet breach]

il bet lust DPS/brez DPS is way easier to get invited then classes that can't do either of those things

[torpid elbow]

not 2 bad of damage

[willow patrol]

whats the xperience of doing pugs as warrior though?

[frigid cipher]

fine

[celest sierra]

trash

[willow patrol]

is it just going to be sitting at 10s, hope you get a good group and start group?

[winter shoal]

I haven't had much issue either getting into pugs or with those pugs being successful for the most part

[willow patrol]

nice

[winter shoal]

at the 10/11 range

10s are kind of free as fuck already

Dungeons have been nerfed so many times

[willow patrol]

yeah its dumb

but i wanna push with one char

i assume im staying kitty

unless i really enjoy tanking on warrior

[fickle cedar]

pushing to 3k is a bit harder tho, im like 80 points away and pugging is a bit tough, well mostly finding a grp

[fair thistle]

cauldron & mugzee myb more arms though

[oblique trail]

Bandit also exists

[fair thistle]

do some people play Slayer in ToP since it's little packs ?

y

[forest owl]

what kind of overall do you guys have at the end of a 12 priory? if anyone has a breakdown

[quiet breach]

what's ur io and are u prot or DPS when u apply to these groups usually?

[winter shoal]

Nothing crazy, like 2650 or something, 660ilvl. I only ever dps

My rule about playing prot is I'll only do it in content easy enough that I don't have to use defensives

[quiet breach]

u are able to get invited to +10-+12s relatively easily with 2650 io?

[winter shoal]

Yeah

I mean "relatively easily" is still relative

It's not instant queues

[summer quail]

i have the same io and get in easily as well

[winter shoal]

But it's not dragonflight 10.1.5 levels of down bad

[quiet breach]

when u apply to groups are u just spamming as fast as u can and delisting the oldest ones

[summer quail]

ngl i just signed up to as many rookeries as i could. did 8 then logged out

[winter shoal]

I mean I'm generally farming specific dungeons so there aren't a TON of groups posted

[mint anchor]

should i be using the active on cd with best in slots wep

[winter shoal]

Macro it in with reck after your trinket I think

[fickle cedar]

Personally I aim for grps with monk/sham they usually tend to take warriors for a physical comp

[mint anchor]

ok cool, so i should be using tht active, i wasnt sure if the weapon still procced while on cd

[winter shoal]

Yes, but the weapon active shares an internal cd with on-use trinkets

So you want to use 90s on-use cds with avatar and then BIS with reck in between

[celest sierra]

if ur not holding a shield, pugging keys as a warrior is ass if ur io isnt at the top top rn

[summer quail]

maybe for pushing keys. for doing weeklies it's real fast for me

[winter shoal]

I feel like that's just blatantly disregarding what me and mutou said lmao

[celest sierra]

my bad i didnt see what u said

[winter shoal]

"Your lived experience holds no value compared to my made up scenario in my head"

[quiet breach]

would u guys use ur 2 catalysts to get 4 PC this week's raid then not have one for potential mythic track armor I get next week and have to wait an extra week for that? or just not have 4 PC for this raid and save 1 catalyst for vault item

[sleek oasis]

So what's cast order for trinkets, CDs, and bis?

[quiet breach]

I would be catalyzing hero track armor if I went 4 PC this week

[winter shoal]

#1237307732705415228 message

[winter shoal]

Depends how much you care about your raid performance in the 2 weeks between, I'd just send it personally but that's probably not "optimal"

I'm a fiend for early season parses because I'm too shit to parse well later in the season

[sleek oasis]

Thanks bowl o7

[quiet breach]

so basically either choice is fine and its not troll whatever I decide

[unkempt grotto]

Youre statistically likely to be unhappy either way

[winter shoal]

Depends on your short and long term goals but you can justify either

[celest sierra]

31% uptime on Best-in slot in 4 mins

good or bad?

[dense elbow]

I am one of many OF enjoyers

[next ruin]

slayer fury in rookery owns, change my mind

[wintry wharf]

Yea but then some shaman bursts for 17m dps on trash and suddenly the 100mil you did on ST doesn’t matter lol.

[dense elbow]

2nd boss

[next ruin]

just did it as 4 melees wanted to end it

[dense elbow]

Just stay in the pull-in and jump out at 0.7sec

[chilly fractal]

Run with DKs and then forget about it

[dense elbow]

big DPS stonks

[winter shoal]

I love afking for 6 seconds while boss does dark gravity inside a puddle

[dense elbow]

Heroic Throw

[winter shoal]

Very cool blizzard thank you

[dense elbow]

Heroic Throw big

giga DPS

on that fight

[winter shoal]

heroic throw has a cd innit

[wintry wharf]

Don’t forget storm bolt

[dense elbow]

Shockwave

WW spamming

so many options

[next ruin]

i almost first timed it and did 1m9 on it, there is so much space for improving still

[wintry wharf]

😂

[winter shoal]

If you think I have ww on my bars in thane you got me fucked up

[next ruin]

esp when u just reck on cd like a dumbass

[dense elbow]

Noob

losing DPS

kek

[winter shoal]

Real

[dense elbow]

Spam WW >:)

They just need to desync the overlap of pool into pullin

and the fight wont be as abysmal

[winter shoal]

They made the first boss not so melee friendly

or

unfriendly

[dense elbow]

1st is kinda friendly now

[winter shoal]

And then they looked at the other bosses and thought

That seems fine

????

[dense elbow]

Ah, ye

They prob looked at 2nd, looked at the clock, then said "nah, aint nobody got time for this, send it!"

[next ruin]

everything after the first pull is pure hate for melees

[dense elbow]

They did extend the hitbox of last boss too, to be fair

very melee friendly

[next ruin]

and ofc the only correct pull for melee they put an afk spot for casters, just in case

[next ruin]

but you also can't charge unless youre like 100yds away

[dense elbow]

Better that, than having to not hit the boss while placing the debuff

[next ruin]

true true

[dense elbow]

I kinda did enjoy on PTR that on 1st, the play was to jump into the boss, get knocked back up - over and over

was unique, you know

[rotund ginkgo]

embarrasing

[winter shoal]

What key?

That's low overall from everyone

Tank diff surely

[rotund ginkgo]

13

workshop

our first pull was obv disastrous

we did both packs and its a fucking hunter pala so ofc neither of them cc'ed properly

so literally 4 ppl blew up

we "finished" that pull with 7 deaths

starting from 2min behind we slowly caught up

dam was okay but pulls were just slow/weirdge

we skipped pack before 3rd boss and skipped 1 pack before last, kinda standard

[next ruin]

yea you can't judge overall on some bricked key

[rotund ginkgo]

it was timed

[dense elbow]

You didnt get good DOG placements?

[rotund ginkgo]

u mong

oh no

he didnt know how to play around boxes

0 uptime for everyone

[dense elbow]

Ah, fair, but that explains your low DPS

[rotund ginkgo]

its not even hard :kekw

[dense elbow]

that is where we usually get to "pad" in our way

[rotund ginkgo]

i topped the dog boss wym

:>

[willow patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/doggie-happy-bo-jack-what-now-excited-gif-9748029

[dense elbow]

Ye, but 100% uptime on it is huge

[rotund ginkgo]

yeah

[winter shoal]

I sure hope fury beats ret and bm on boss dam

[rotund ginkgo]

as usual i gapped everyone on 1st boss

yh

i did

obv

[dense elbow]

We crush Ret, by a mile

[rotund ginkgo]

all 3 bosses

[dense elbow]

BM i have seen some actually do decent ST dam too

[rotund ginkgo]

yeah bm kept up on st

though his aoe was weirdly bad

[dense elbow]

Maybe as Ret is the AoE typhoon, he did go some sort of half'n'half build?

[next ruin]

do you guys ever go slayer ? i really think going slayer for top and rook, and colo arms for every other. Still debating about mechagon tho

[dense elbow]

I play Slayer, the ST DPS is good enough

[thorny cove]

how does every tank somehow mess up the first pack of cinderbrew

[dense elbow]

Cause' it is a tricky pull to do right - a lot of moveing parts in there that if one DPS fail a stop, it is a mess and quickly

Then you got the VDH new guy tanks: Jump, jump dead, lands

[winter shoal]

Yeah very easy pull to mess up and people will get grouchy if you pull less than they feel like you SHOULD

[rotund ginkgo]

no hes just a ret

divine storm

!!!

had a ret get GIGA gapped by me in 1st boss workshop and we bricked and they somehow flamed ME after they baited dog boxes wrong and we wiped on it

the ret and shammy premade KEKW

[dense elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-scott-steve-carell-the-office-yuck-ew-gif-17355783

[rotund ginkgo]

2 target boss btw

[thorny cove]

was interesting I had workshop yesterday and had no idea if hunter FDs first jump you skip the other two

[rotund ginkgo]

"ret did 400k more overall than u"

• the key bricked on 2nd boss

[next ruin]

first boss of workshop just makes me wanna play arms

esp if u keep lust for it

[rotund ginkgo]

i love furying it idk

[next ruin]

nothing can beat the dopamine it gives u

[rotund ginkgo]

i be shouting and shit

[next ruin]

i ahve this on second boss of ml

as fury

the way you pump on this boss is stupid

problem is you have to play fury for everything else in the dungeon

[winter shoal]

Second boss ML as arms is sicko mode

Me when WB into demolish on damage amp add HOLY

[river reef]

meadery is afun key

[winter shoal]

There are no warriors in this group

[next ruin]

i have tried both and fury just feels better, cos ok sending that demolish on buffed add is top tier, but then you drop too much, i feel cucked

[river reef]

im a pink warrior

[next ruin]

and u wont top boss damage

fury tops add, and tops boss

you just own

i don't understand how noxiv ends up being 3m5+ on ml as fury

[versed siren]

Can we get a 3rd spark this week? I already crafted 2H And wanna know if i can craft the bracers this week too

[radiant plank]

his groups pulls cater to him

[versed siren]

I already have a fragment so just need 1 more

[radiant plank]

constant chain pulling and small packs

[winter shoal]

I mean they also play outlaw which wants this too innit

Not just catering to him but playing to their comp's strengths

[radiant plank]

ye

[next ruin]

i guess if my group doesnt play around my dumb ass, id better go colo right

[radiant plank]

he also has druid buff + monk in his grp

which adds up fairbit

[next ruin]

and they used to have mm in season1, now at least banshers can pump

[radiant plank]

pugs are less likely to mass pull, you could probably get away with slayer

[next ruin]

what is the other ones in which slayer fury wouldnt be troll ? dfc/mechagon i guess ?

[radiant plank]

dfc, top, mechagon

[flat river]

Im 6 mil with cds?

[next ruin]

i meant overall

[flat river]

Oh

Yeah im also 2.9m-3.1m overall

[radiant plank]

arms bingchilling at 4.5million overalls

[next ruin]

i didn't think 5s in my head before asking, but his numbers "make sense" but iguess he's also the only one pushing fury to its limit rn so yea, feels odd kinda

[next ruin]

i think this is the play for me, play those dungeons as fury and switch to colo to the big pulls one

[flat river]

This is fury channel

[radiant plank]

Fury is dead, this is skyhold general channel

[flat river]

Agree with second part

[dense elbow]

I agree to both statements

[flat river]

Nah bro fury isn't dead, it never was alive in the first place

[dense elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-cry-hurt-feelings-gif-8108963

[eager mulch]

I dont get the memes- im still only coming back- but my digging is showing fury in a good spot for raids and if thane then good aoe burst as well

Is it really that rough out there?

[flat river]

It's good in raids but is mid in keys

Who cares about raids though you only do them once a week

[eager mulch]

Is arms better?

For keys

[radiant plank]

Arms is so much better even @restive peak is playing it now

[flat river]

Who is that

[dense elbow]

Another Fury traitor, smh

[flat river]

smh

[eager mulch]

Ive played both specs a lot throughout legion and early bfa, so im not biased- just want the good info

[flat river]

Honestly play what u like

[eager mulch]

I like warrior

[dense elbow]

Arms does more AoE, but less prio dam than Fury

kinda sums it up

[eager mulch]

The rest is up to numbers, efficiency and sims

[dense elbow]

Pick based on the groups needs and your preferences

[flat river]

Both is good in raids, arms is better for uncapped AoE but fury is better for 5 targets and prio dmg on bosses

[dense elbow]

Some like being top DPS on overall, even if their DPS on prio is lacking and others carry the slack

Looking at you, ret players

[radiant plank]

[eager mulch]

I was sad to see odins fury is RIP atm
Was fun in legion

[flat river]

I said better, i didn't say the best

We still lose to other classes in 5 targets

[radiant plank]

[flat river]

[uneven plaza]

What do we think about this trinket?

It outsims Seaforium in ST

simtrap or?

[dense elbow]

prob not, try it out

[sly crane]

I did my first key as arms and forgot to press execute

[flat river]

Sim yo self

[uneven plaza]

[clever belfry]

if u play the correct arms spec

[uneven plaza]

read second sentence bud

[clever belfry]

this doesnt matter

[flat river]

Arms doesn't use execute that much in m+

Only for EP

[sly crane]

huh

thought colo arms did

[flat river]

No

Thats slayer

Colossus no longer gains stacks from execute

Since start of season

[sly crane]

wtf

[flat river]

Demolish*

[sly crane]

ok then I was playing properly then I guess

[queen panther]

I was using it before seaforium, it would only do like 2-3% of my damage in ST

Barely did more damage then my autos 😅

[uneven plaza]

hm

[dense elbow]

That is the double of my mythic track trinky

giga value

I got the stupis pig liver looking trashbag trinky

[queen panther]

Jk lookin back in the log with it, it did less damage then my autos 💀

Autos did 14M, it did 7M

[bright sable]

Where can I see the opener for Slayer

The WoWHead one seems not accurate according to what I've seen people in here say

[eager mulch]

On wow head im seeing-
Pop cds - charge - rampage - rb x2 - rampage - dragon roar thing etc

[weary sail]

Whats so special about Mechagon hot damn

[bright sable]

yeah yet when I look in the log review channel several people say this is wrong but dont elaborate

[silk wharf]

Unlike other classes/specs as long as you get all the buttons out in a timely manner the opener is not make or break for warrior.

Sure a certain order is "optimal" but won't be some huge difference.

[bright sable]

I see it brought up constantly in log review thats why im asking

[queen panther]

I usually reck charge avatar let an auto hit rampage roar then bladestorm into rampage rbx2 rampage bt

[bright sable]

I'm really fucking unhappy with my performance lately so I'm trying to see what common issues are for others

[coarse nest]

Afaik
Reck+ava+charge > rampage > roar > BS > RB > RB > Rampage > prio

[restive peak]

I did it, it's true

[chilly fractal]

And what do you have to say for yourself?

[silk wharf]

If I had to guess blindly my takes would be: hit buttons more, stick to your target so you can hit buttons, I would assume the vast majority of people still have their spell queue window at its default value of 400 which I think is a detriment for fury.

[chilly fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/i-want-the-truth-tom-cruise-a-few-good-men-truth-gif-18300622 @restive peak

[bright sable]

spell queue window?

[silk wharf]

Its a system in the game that "locks in" an ability cast before you are actually able to do it, to help with lag and latency.

[bright sable]

oh wtf is that why it feels like I cant cast shit sometimes

[silk wharf]

Very, very useful for spell casters, not so much for melee.

[bright sable]

How do I change this?

A lot of the time when I have bloodlust I feel like I can't use my abilities properly because they are "locked"

[silk wharf]

I use an addon called advancedinterface options. But you can also find console commands to change it.

[bright sable]

and I feel like that absolutely doesnt help with my downtime/rage overcap issues

I swear the only times I actually overcap on rage is when I'm in bladestorm tho :/

but WoWAnalyzer says its enough of a problem to yell at me

[silk wharf]

yes, that can happen for sure.

Though beware you dont want it off completely . I believe the suggested is your MS +100 no less than 150

its default is 400

[bright sable]

I have a completely stable 20 MS so I guess I should put it on 150 then

[coarse nest]

My MS + 100 would be 108 on average

[silk wharf]

Though that is likely only one part of the puzzle but can feel like molasses

[coarse nest]

Guess it should be 150 then

I’ve been on the default for 15 years and haven’t felt it really

[queen panther]

Mines usually 120+

[silk wharf]

I think if you get used to it it's fine. I spam so much though so it felt awful to me on 400.

[coarse nest]

Maybe 200 would be good

[bright sable]

yeah my fingers are never still

so it feels like fucking ass

[coarse nest]

I spam too

[silk wharf]

And if you find you don't like the new setting you can always change it back

[restive peak]

Felt good man

[silk wharf]

I would say the biggest thing that helped me improve was to always be hitting buttons, even if I knew they were wrong a millisecond after hitting them. Learn from my mistakes and become better.

some damage is better than no damage skipping a gcd thinking.

[frank dawn]

Thane fury doesn't vibe for me. Maybe I need to try Colossus Arms too...

is this the way to great glory

[dense elbow]

Depends on what you are going for, you could always go Slayer Fury

Still, just try arms, many enjoy it

[unreal kelp]

Just go prot warrior instead

[frank dawn]

I do dig the AM Slayer build, and I've honestly played it in most keys. I just feel like I'm trolling

[frank dawn]

I've also done this. Protlossus is stronk

[dense elbow]

You aint trolling, your prio dam is strong

[queen panther]

I just hate being target capped in 2025 💀

[dense elbow]

overall just looks worse off - but trying to AoE dam pad overall as Fury is basically the real troll

[frank dawn]

fair take lol

[dense elbow]

I hope that they give Fury AoE burst again, so ppl feel good about Fury thanks to dopamine, even if DPS isnt supergreat on AoE

The flat profile just makes it feel even worse when ppl do 4x your DPS - you got to just grit your teeth and repeat the mantra: "Prio dam matter, prio dam matters", it is true, doesnt make it feel any easier on the mind.

[queen panther]

I was perfectly content last season cuz of RA…

[dense elbow]

Why so?

[queen panther]

Cuz burst was still pretty up there.

[dense elbow]

We hit harder now than we ever did with RA

[queen panther]

Well yeah cuz if scaling

[dense elbow]

RA had nothing to do with our burst?

[queen panther]

Of*

Big Blood baths felt nice

[smoky vale]

nerf of @dense elbow

[dense elbow]

Staph

[frank dawn]

OF getting buffs TODAY

[dense elbow]

It is a Fury Warrior signature ability

[frank dawn]

I feel it

inb4 no tuning for anything announced today lul

[dense elbow]

Signtature

[red berry]

yeah im surprised they havent buffed or nerfed any classes yet

[frank dawn]

This is reflective of thier efforts to make it a powerful ability independent of Avatar

much success

[wary fjord]

The signature ability of fury is charge -> release spirit

[dense elbow]

I am kidna glad they give it some time to brew. Kneejerk nerfs never been good for warrior

[restive peak]

[red berry]

after removing two odyns id just both make the dot longer and make the damage much stronger

[dense elbow]

If they make OF just Roar, then they failed to make OF a button

They can just buff Roar if so

[red berry]

warrior i dont think would have any reason to be nerfed

[dense elbow]

Our ST is quite strong

probl needs a solid 15% nerf

[red berry]

the bleed was already what did more damage in packs

[wary fjord]

Yeah, but so is WW's St I thought

[red berry]

and our ST is strong but its not the strongest

[warm crag]

wdym

[wary fjord]

I'm thinking WW getting nerfed before us

[warm crag]

both warrior dps specs are in the top 3

[frank dawn]

our ST is strong in our cleave spec which is a good thing since we can't do fucking anything else lol

[red berry]

tru

[dense elbow]

Top 3 doesnt mean we are top 1, now does it?

Strong but not the strongest stands

[red berry]

ik arms was stronger

are we that strong in mythic?

[smoky vale]

yes

its ww

warrior

[dense elbow]

Yep, our ST got nothing lacking

[warm crag]

you are insanely nitpicky and delusional if you think that you are not part of the strongest if you're not #1

[dense elbow]

If you aint #1, you are a loser

[red berry]

well i wasnt implying that

[wary fjord]

Yeah, but we have a shield at least

WW will get hit first

[dense elbow]

Winners win, losers lost.

[wary fjord]

Hopefully

[red berry]

but i havent kept up with our mythic peformance either

[wary fjord]

Or they just buff everyone else up

The best outcome

[warm crag]

mm yes powercreep for the sake of it

[dense elbow]

Kinda hard to do that, without making them overtake us 120% in m+

[coarse nest]

If yaint first yerlast

[dense elbow]

^

[velvet obsidian]

Is fury actually that good in ST? It thought we were middle of the pack in ST unless we tossed out all cleave potential, and then dog water on multi. Did that change?

[red berry]

yes

[warm crag]

look at lockenstock parses

[red berry]

we are very good in ST

flat damage profile is good

at least for that

[warm crag]

flat damage profile is not good

we're just tuned well

[wary fjord]

Flat damage profile really bad actually

[red berry]

flat damage profile is good if that flat damage is tuned to high hell lmao

[dense elbow]

Flat is boring, and it really sucks with downtime

[wary fjord]

Means we benefit the least from shit like hero and pi

[smoky vale]

having down time

[velvet obsidian]

I mean, in our most ideal 100% uptime encounter that's good to see. If fights get more downtime I assume we fall behind

[wary fjord]

By we I mean specs with flat damage profiles

[warm crag]

outlaw was literally never tuned well

[coarse nest]

I want fire mage profile

[smoky vale]

getting downtime on fire

[velvet obsidian]

Warriors can never beat mages, Blizz won't allow.

[smoky vale]

[wary fjord]

I want df s2 demolock profile

Nuke in CDs, then less than tank DPS outside of cds

[velvet obsidian]

That was us last season wut

[smoky vale]

thats fire mage rn

[red berry]

i dont know enough about outlaw to comment so id have to give you that

buffing our core rotational as much as they did was always going to be goofy for our ST

[velvet obsidian]

I'd say mean things about combat rogue but honestly everytime I look at the class it's just slot machine simulator. Actual gamba gameplay.

[smoky vale]

no there is skill

[velvet obsidian]

I'm sure there is, I'm not saying it's low skill, I just say I can't play it because roll the bones would literally give me cancer

[coarse nest]

@oblique trail #fury message

[vague sierra]

Actual mage infiltrators in here trying to turn fury into another fire mage.

[restive peak]

We absolutely giga fuck ST

[frank dawn]

jesus the outlaw sim is at 90 apm lmao

[wary fjord]

Outlaw requires brain to click the right buttons fast enough

Unlike us who just spamming smol brain

[warm crag]

or a weakaura

[velvet obsidian]

I play constant classes like fury with no RNG where I only have to hope for procs on RB reset, HnS reset, reap the storm procs, Slayer's Strike, Burst of Power, Thunder last procs, avatar procs, and Blizzard's random ass balance procs

[clever belfry]

177300

with no RNG where I only have to hope for procs

banger

[compact knot]

this might possibly be the worst thing ever said in this discord

no flame

[velvet obsidian]

[clever belfry]

177300

[warm crag]

177300

[compact knot]

I think fury keeps like 96% of their st damage to pick up full aoe talents or?

[velvet obsidian]

Someone linked a build with Storm of Steel once. I'm just clueless on our ST potential

[compact knot]

yeah whoever linked storm of steel you should block them

fast

[velvet obsidian]

It's secretly giga brain because you get one more brutal finish per pull. /S

[frank dawn]

HOLY

[compact knot]

thats so true

actually so fucking true omg

[fading sky]

yeah our st dmg is very nice, in both cleave build. thane and st ngl

[winter shoal]

It's about -3% to get impww and meat cleaver yeah

[dense elbow]

It is so small that if you forget to, you can still parse a 99

[frank dawn]

I guess that's one benefit of ignoring most of your capstones