Me when utility isn’t the reason Aug is mega
#fury
slim coral
restive peak
Talked to him, he basically told me he saw crit play arms, hence A, but hasn’t run with a fury at all
smoky vale
me when aug did damage and has util
south kayak
I c
slim coral
yeah so basically he's trolling
south kayak
Isn’t arms and fury like similar in m+ overall
Fury’s strengths are single target and 5 cleave
Arms is large aoe
slim coral
All tier lists are trolling
well sure but some people try to actually be honest with the rankings
south kayak
Arms
slim coral
like sure peetkos are a meme but atleast he tries
restive peak
Like quite literally every tier list is to get clicks and based on who they played PTR keys with
slim coral
atleast he tries man
smoky vale
xdddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd
south kayak
Don’t think I’ve ever seen an accurate tier list
slim coral
yoda saying idk just gonan put it here is troll
south kayak
Lmfao
slim coral
Did you see kush's tier list @smoky vale
south kayak
At least Petko plays all specs
smoky vale
no sir
slim coral
blow up
south kayak
And takes it seriously
clever belfry
lets get a perma mute on bazed
ok gala
south kayak
Let’s get a perma mute on this server
smoky vale
how do i ask a question to ask a question to ask a question
restive peak
Box is a blue like Xeos
slim coral
damn I'm not subbed to kush
slim coral
can't see the vod
restive peak
Wut
clever belfry
At least Petko plays all specs
somehow petkos is usually the best cause he actually reasons it
not that i agree, like ever, but theres some thought into it + he discusses it with the other IV writers
slim coral
or I'd show you the tier list
restive peak
Better sub to me when I start bro
south kayak
Maybe
Depends on changes, can’t believe these bozos just stopped some game changing changes right before raid
Classic blizzard
We don’t even know what they mean until reset day
slim coral
Why are you subbed to anyone
amazon prime
When peetko isn't sure about a spec he doesnt rank it tho that's my point
yoda just straight up trolling
south kayak
Better sub to me when I start bro
Make a tier list
I sub
Depending on what the changes for enha mean, I’ll either stay or go warrior
I’m tired boss
restive peak
I’ll make a tier list a week in to the tier
south kayak
Homecoming
restive peak
And my reasoning will be legendary and go viral
burnt kelp
yoda just straight up trolling
making a tier list pays the month's bills
south kayak
I’ll make a tier list a week in to the tier
Based
burnt kelp
might as well have fun while cooking the slop
restive peak
I’m gonna do it, someone find me the website and put the specs so I can click and drag
And one week in it’s going up on twitch and YouTube
burnt kelp
"Frost mage S tier cuz Jaina is sexy"
dense elbow
As long Fury is in S tier, I will click like and subscribe
restive peak
Wait till you hear my boomkin tier placement and reason
south kayak
They changed how spirit wolves work or something right before raid week, what are they doing…
slim coral
nah I'm about to make a tier list myself
south kayak
Wait till you hear my boomkin tier placement and reason
F tier, annoying
restive peak
Bazed NOBODY wants that
slim coral
tired of these biased slop tier list
dense elbow
I dont know, sounds kinda bazed to me
south kayak
Lmfao
restive peak
Funky
dense elbow
restive peak
Like man
junior gale
No Funky like OF
covert blaze
nah I'm about to make a tier list myself
top 15 guild applications
south kayak
Warlock, F tier, sandbagging
dapper goblet
Please perma mute baze before he makes a list
south kayak
Voodoo his ass
dapper goblet
very
covert blaze
making a list while on a list
south kayak
top 15 guild applications
Top 15 places to sit in WoW
quiet breach
why is my enrage sometimes getting refreshed by bladestorm
south kayak
Unhinged
quiet breach
does anything else passively reset enrage
restive peak
Bt
south kayak
Bloodthirst has a chance to enrage you
restive peak
Can proc enrage and extends it if you have deft
south kayak
30%
restive peak
Honestly, if you want to learn, it’s a good idea to read through the talents
restive peak
It really clarifies a lot and starts to get you thinking more critically about what’s affecting what
south kayak
BT enrage proc kinda useless now tbh
quiet breach
its too much info
dense elbow
I only look at the pictures, they say enough
south kayak
Was useful before with lower enrage uptime
restive peak
Well of course you’re not going to remember everything right away, you’re new
Sadly it will eventually be burned into your brain
sullen dove
why are they so high res
south kayak
Looks biazed
dense elbow
Put Fury into S right now
restive peak
Did you really put VDH in idk? Bazed that’s dumb even for you big dog.
quiet breach
why is thunderous roar higher prio in multi target situation than bladestorm? because its instant and bladestorm takes a few seconds?
dense elbow
Cause he didnt know he didnt know before it was too late
restive peak
I’m slowly getting onto the mute bazed bandwagon
junior gale
he gave up half way
sullen dove
why is thunderous roar higher prio in multi target situation than bladestorm? be...
thunderous roar is a massive dot
so you do that first so dot keeps doing damage as you bladestorm
south kayak
Massive
south kayak
Cluegi
chilly plume
not rating tanks
pwar A
slim coral
why are they so high res
do you want low rez or something
junior gale
barely decent for arms
frank dawn
Remember when we had abilities that did damage besides Ramp, BT, and RB
sullen dove
na just never seen those icons like that
slim coral
na just never seen those icons like that
welcome to 2025 big dawg
sullen dove
wack
quiet breach
thunderous roar is a massive dot
so how come roar is lower than 2 RBs and bladestorm in single target
south kayak
Remember when we had abilities that did damage besides Ramp, BT, and RB
Yeah but then those didn’t do damage
slim coral
so how come roar is lower than 2 RBs and bladestorm in single target
roar itself
south kayak
Flip flopped
slim coral
does no damage really
sullen dove
so how come roar is lower than 2 RBs and bladestorm in single target
uh i mean not too sure here but yea possibly just wanting to get blade storm on cd asap
covert blaze
it was massive
low taper fade
sullen dove
and then need to get back up to a rampage again cuz you might drop enrage
slim coral
you know what else is massive?
chilly plume
fury muscles, swingin two big heavy bonk sticks around
restive peak
I just send roar on enrage tbh it’s so minuscule
modest condor
so how come roar is lower than 2 RBs and bladestorm in single target
because roar does full damage to everything it hits on aoe while the rest only does 55%
covert blaze
lets get a permamute on baze
south kayak
You either die a burst spec or live long enough to see yourself sustain damage
restive peak
We were sustain damage for ages
modest condor
so on st it's weak, on aoe it's strong
slim coral
lets get a permamute on baze
mad cause I put arms wher eit belongs
sullen dove
it is weird tho like 1 global before bs all thats necessary
slim coral
no sandbagging here
sullen dove
rather than pushing it back like 4 more
but eh
dont you spear single target anyway
frank dawn
mad cause I put arms wher eit belongs
Arms nerfed. You lie
sullen dove
or is that not allowed
chilly plume
You either die a burst spec or live long enough to see yourself sustain damage
or you be enhance and burst into the stratosphere so your dps never falls back under 3M and then you burst again
slim coral
dont you spear single target anyway
wowhead has roar in st
south kayak
They should buff thunder blast, thoughts? Rotational uncapped ability
dense elbow
No more Thane buffs
sullen dove
surely
dense elbow
I beg
south kayak
Nah it needs a buff
sullen dove
how many weeks until the 50% of dmg buff
sullen dove
first time in a long time funky actually can say that and not be wrong
south kayak
how many weeks until the 50% of dmg buff
Wanna bet
dense elbow
I am always ahead of the time. Ya lads just refuse to accept things before it is too late
sullen dove
god damn automod man
sullen dove
surely they dont be silly and dont fix that talent one of the few good ones fury has for 3 months
south kayak
sullen dove
what is CE
south kayak
CS
slim coral
Arms nerfed. You lie
Execute nerf doesnt really effect keys tbh
sullen dove
what rework
south kayak
Animation
sullen dove
cs got changed? to what
and wb just needs stomp back
instead of spin
altho after playing long enough i kinda dont mind the spin
covert blaze
I used leatrix to mute WB sfx
sullen dove
like for a single button press its not as cool
covert blaze
was driving me nuts
slim coral
?
south kayak
altho after playing long enough i kinda dont mind the spin
You don’t like spinning before summoning 6 weapons? ??
No way
sullen dove
your sword like swinging around like a snake
na i mean i do
and its a rare animation cuz arms will never use whirlwind again
south kayak
I think that if we’re capped to 5 targets, we should have aoe cds that actually do damage
Unfathomable
Right?
covert blaze
@sullen dove 💀💀💀💀 get back on genshin lil bro
covert blaze
south kayak
thunderblast
They forgot about it after buffing it by 14% instead of the intended 25%
It’s over..
covert blaze
https://tenor.com/view/yotsuba-koiwai-yotsubato-bounce-gif-25341299
silly!
south kayak
Gets this anime shit off my screen
sullen dove
oblique trail
https://tenor.com/view/miyabi-hoshimi-hoshimi-miyabi-miyabi-hoshimi-dance-gif-91...
I'm all ears
quiet breach
Whats causing my impending victory to reset its cooldown
south kayak
Is it just me or did OF have a little more impact in terms of the animation in Legion
Maybe the avatar proc messed it up with TT
I’ll try now
south kayak
Whats causing my impending victory to reset its cooldown
The talent itself says why
sullen dove
i have no idea who that is
slim coral
wahle told him to put Arms in God mode
south kayak
If you kill a target, it resets its cd
slim coral
i have no idea who that is
echo player
sullen dove
oh like zaelia
quiet breach
If you kill a target, it resets its cd
yeah but i couldve sworn i didnt kill someone with it and it still reset
am i just trippin? il pay attention from now on
quiet breach
nop
south kayak
Must have been the wind
sullen dove
idk if its final blows or just any deaths
south kayak
Never had that happen to me
sullen dove
i assumed it was any tho
south kayak
It is any
sullen dove
maybe if its like a shitty enough small mob or summon or something it doesnt count
south kayak
You’d never see it reset if it was final blows lol
sullen dove
i mean
4mil+ ms and cleaves
if you play the right spec
can be responsible for tons of final blows
sullen dove
:yep
sullen dove
like main thing i dont think super interested in fury m+ for
sure its good but like
actually feels naked without it
sullen dove
like "oooh im gonna hit raging blow and bt yippeeee"
south kayak
So true sword
south kayak
Real
slim coral
1 isnt enough but 2 is?
sullen dove
yepge
south kayak
BS needs a buff too
slim coral
sullen dove
i mean arms is sorta at that point
slim coral
the devs dont know how to balance our capstones
sullen dove
like maybe has 3 cool wicked abilities
coincidentally our top 3 dmging abilities
but like ms is more mid than cleave and demolish
south kayak
We’re talking about the same devs that removed TT and said something about being able to tune OF as a standalone aoe button
By buffing it by 15%
sullen dove
and then just didnt do that
south kayak
they are happy with current fury
south kayak
and then just didnt do that
Have you read Berserk btw
south kayak
I am reading it rn
sullen dove
neat
sullen dove
i think manga is good
just like hit or miss on anime adaptations
ik one of them is like giga memed on
south kayak
ik one of them is like giga memed on
Yeah the 2016 one lol
smoky vale
my magus needs keys
sullen dove
hope he finds them
smoky vale
😦
smoky vale
sullen dove
max ring wow
south kayak
sullen dove
maybe less
south kayak
That’s a lot
sullen dove
apparently upgrades should drop from rares
but also do the weeklies that take 3min each
south kayak
Ok
smoky vale
i did all weeklies on the map
i grinded ring
uh
now im doing a hc
crafted 5 items
sullen dove
who thinks about siren isle ever
smoky vale
ring and out
flat river
is fire mage big now?
smoky vale
ya
flat river
how big
flat river
raid?
slim coral
so dont bring a pug mage
flat river
i think if anyone dies
slim coral
they will probably be floor pov
slim coral
they do lower than healer
covert blaze
for some like shitty 3d rendering
the one from 2016
smoky vale
holy im powerful
sage ridge
Does CB and BB have prio over Rampage in RA?
modest condor
if you're enraged yes
sudden tusk
wonder what i would have named my mage
sage ridge
Is the build any different than the AM build or do you just rotate between the two
winter shoal
What do you mean
AM and RA are a choice node so it's by definition a different build
sage ridge
Yeah I meant outside of that choice node. Pretty sure the AM build uses frenzied too
glad coyote
stormrage offline?
wind sentinel
all the guys im reading are saying Reckless abandon is still a viable option is that true?
modest condor
depends
am sims slightly higher but it's close enough that it depends on what damage profile you need on a fight which one ends up being better
young swan
its like 2-3% diff or something
frank dawn
difference is usually bigger for Thane, but yeah super close as Slayer
summer crater
0.9% higher ST in MT spec and 0.2% lower AOE
frank dawn
but even for thane it's still 3% range
winter shoal
RA thane feels extremely shit to me
summer crater
In thane RA has 1% worse ST but 1.3% better MT for me
earnest canyon
RA thane feels extremely shit to me
thats my current fave spec lmao
manic pelican
I know the discussion on races is always laughable, however does anyone find a greater use from one more particular set of racials over others. For instance...I swapped to Dracthyr during Queen prog because I thought the double jump trick was cool.
earnest canyon
i picked dwarf in like 2004 cos it was funny to me....parked the char for like 15 years.....stoneform is useful sometimes
always been a horde player mainly though
surprised stoneform is so strong as a personal tbh
manic pelican
I was thinking how funny it was that Dwarves got Stone form but Earthen got an evoker wanna be one
earnest canyon
yeah idk about the new races
dont have any of them afaik
being alliance and a dwarf is a nice change to me after playing horde at somewhat a hardcore level for so long
now I just clown around and smack things, and stoneform can be very strong
manic pelican
I can't argue with that ...Stone form has been a GOAT of racials
earnest canyon
it is on warrior to me as i sorta mained mage/pala/hunter which all had an immunity
but i have no clue if any race makes any spec unplayable
manic pelican
nah hardly in this day in age
earnest canyon
yeah thankfully they just want you to play what you like
manic pelican
although sims like things like mecha gnomes...maaaan I'm usually hard pressed to ever see one
earnest canyon
ive never seen one, but i do like when some gnome is there as MT in a pug with a massive fucking sword bigger than them
maybe next xpac they go into choosing your race, then choosing 4 racial abilities
so play whatever you want
manic pelican
that is very Everquest-esque
wind sentinel
Im tryin ra thane atm and yeah it feels great
wheat oyster
With slaughtering strikes are we supposed to keep going until all our rb charges run out or just until we hit rage cap? The opener says to do it twice and we already are rage capped during it
sullen dove
i think there was some like tiny tiny optimization to get a good amount of slaughtering strike stacks to buff your brutal finish rampage (the 50% buff after exiting bladestorm) but i think it barely matters and also its cringe to play am and not hit ramp the instant its available
so dont think you have to worry about that if you dont want to and just insta send ramp as soon as you can
wheat oyster
Im more of a min max gamer so in that regard is it better to send the slaughterings
sullen dove
ive heard you can go up to 5 stacks but i cant imagine its that realistic to get 5 raging blow resets before sending the ramp
so if you want to rb as many times as you can right after a bladestorm that should be fine
assuming youre still enraged
and then like bt right after the ramp probably to spend the bloodcraze
but after that it should pmuch be normal ramps on cd, just spamming the rb thing right after a bladestorm
wheat oyster
Yea sweet, that was the only thing getting me a bit gimmicky on am warrior
My reck cd management could be improved but idk how that’ll go exceeding rage for slaughtering strikes
young swan
yeah
sullen dove
but ur not waiting for rb cd
young swan
yeah
young swan
its really fucking cringe but it doesnt feel horrible
sullen dove
yea i mean i dont look at how long my enrage is up anyway
young swan
usually I run out of stacks before enrage drops
sullen dove
i just assume it always is
sullen dove
usually I run out of stacks before enrage drops
#arms message rember dis
modest condor
i looted heroic augury from our first kill and then got it in my vault in the same week
good times
young swan
blow it off
dapper goblet
me when xan and swordish yap to eachother kissing
sullen dove
love kissin people on the lips
indigo arch
so when is RA getting buffed
playing AM makes me want to suckstart a gun
odyn's fury 2016-2025
i cri evrytiem
:(
summer quail
so when is RA getting buffed
Don't see it happening. We most likely play RA on some fights
hardy vault
What's the determining factor for playing AM or RA in a fight? Just wondering.
summer quail
What's the determining factor for playing AM or RA in a fight? Just wondering.
Cd allignment and uptime
indigo arch
Don't see it happening. We most likely play RA on some fights
I was talkin purely m+ shoulda said
hardy vault
uptime of ? enrage ?
summer quail
uptime of ? enrage ?
Just uptime. If there is very little mechanics you get to stay on the boss more. Thus wasting less cdr
summer quail
I was talkin purely m+ shoulda said
Well bad news there mate
indigo arch
oh I know.
spec feels rly bad atm for m+
AND is hardstuck AM
all they had to do was leave fury in the state it was in during tww prepatch
and then fury would have been golden, who needs utility with the damage it had then
hardy vault
Just uptime. If there is very little mechanics you get to stay on the boss more....
so RA for cd allignment and AM for uptime ?
summer quail
No i meant the statement that the thing that determines what you play depends on whether you have good uptime and/or cd allignment.
hardy vault
okay ^^'
summer quail
Like if AM sims higher but there's a very big chance you get a mechanic, you would prob play RA
sullen dove
and like rick has big RA timings on add spawns
i think
but general patchwerk full uptime am better
celest sierra
AM better then Reck now?
summer quail
AM better then Reck now?
For m+ yeah. For raid see statement above
lapis scaffold
why can't i upgrade any of my mythic gear?
it says "the season has ended"
but i don't see anyone with season 2 gear
lapis scaffold
i legit didn't realize that the next step to perfecting my set was upgrading it
now im cooked
tidal kindle
Dropped 1.5m getting heroic gear on my 2nd warr over 4 weeks, told myself I'd upgrade it this week
Jokes on me
tidal kindle
Tuesday dungeons unlock w/ raid
You can also get weathered crests and craft 629 gear
Up to 3 a week
clever belfry
we are in the down week u see
lapis scaffold
Tuesday dungeons unlock w/ raid
?
tidal kindle
Or I guess weds if EU
The new season starts w/ reset
Till then we're kinda just
lapis scaffold
oh so the new season hasn't even started yet
i thought it started last tuesday
but that was just the season ending
tidal kindle
Ye
clever belfry
bring back heroic week
lapis scaffold
glad i didn't do a raid yet lol
tidal kindle
bring back heroic week
Real
clever belfry
this dead week can smn
tidal kindle
Why did they get rid of it again....
lapis scaffold
so
is there legit no point
to doing mythic dungeons
or raids
or anything
for gear
clever belfry
correct
tidal kindle
If the base mythic ilvl is an upgrade
Might be worth doing raid
Or dungeon
But otherwise, yah
Just unlock the new zone
Log off
lapis scaffold
im so cooked
i legit got a full mythic set before the end of season
and i didn't upgrade
clever belfry
we canceled our m reclear cause the only reason would've been to get people more acquainted with class changes
tidal kindle
we canceled our m reclear cause the only reason would've been to get people more...
WARRIOR CHANGES! 
lapis scaffold
at least i got ash'adar before the event ended
almost didn't realize there was a special mount
clever belfry
WARRIOR CHANGES! <a:BATCHESTING:1001711497363337327>
Press same buttons
do bigger dam
lapis scaffold
ok so
wow classic is the move
until the new season starts at least
ive been playing season of discovery
west stream
guys hows fury looking in 11.1 dps wise, oh and is mountain thane any good?
slim coral
Very good
west stream
mountain thane looking good too? i really like the look and feel of it
summer quail
mountain thane looking good too? i really like the look and feel of it
thane is the play in m+ no doubt
clever belfry
im a dedicated thane hater
west stream
is the dps difference in raid between that and slayer big or am i ok to be mt and not feel bad 😛
clever belfry
if youre not raiding mythic it doesnt matter
west stream
well mythic raiding is definitely not happening but was curious
ya know what fuck it im going thane
lapis scaffold
need a good thane build
indigo arch
They need to bring odyn back to tww prepatch lvls
sullen dove
does need like a pretty big buff to be used
indigo arch
fuck it, bake in the damage from running 2pc/2pc in prepatch also, anything but this
has me eyeballing arms and I have despised that spec since wod ruined it
lmao
lapis scaffold
wow classic is the move in s2 too
lol i wasn't dissing classic. i might end up playing both at the same time too.
kind of a new player. i started last month but i think i've finally started to get past the learning curve.
fresh creek
bah another season with execute just being a filler 😦
red berry
id like to be able to do more AoE again in bigger packs
desert knoll
fury its still ok? I see it on tierA more or less
fresh creek
so ive been reading the guides but it doesnt say anything bout the empowered BT in Thane build?
buoyant island
lj1111
slim coral
so ive been reading the guides but it doesnt say anything bout the empowered BT ...
Yes because we take anger management over reckless abandon
slim coral
i mean from burst of power
Why would the guide mention that
It doesn’t change anything on the priority list
fresh creek
aight thats what i wanted to know ty
fervent yoke
I didn’t test the raid on PTR but a lot of Undermine bosses are listed as ST w/ priority adds. Still use ST talent build for those fights?
hardy bluff
depends if you want to help the team or farm boss damage
but usually you will go improved whirlwind atleast
fervent yoke
Basically trying to figure out if Fury or Arms sim’s higher for each encounter and then the talent load-out (ST / AoE/ cleave etc.)
hardy bluff
you played the fury aoe build for every boss except sikran and kyveza
fervent yoke
Nah first boss you go ST if you wanna parse
hardy bluff
okay are we talking parsing or progging?
fervent yoke
if you go to wowhead there’s like a NP section that recommends loadouts per encounter
hardy bluff
because week1 if noone kill the adds on ulgrax you just die
it doesnt matter if some warcraftlogs idiot decides add damage doesnt count
round prawn
Hi, the guides are saying to pop Recklessness with Avatar.
But we are also speccing into Berserkers Torment
Are we supposed to be popping both at once or just popping one ability and using the Proc from Berserkers to get the other ability up?
slim coral
Hi, the guides are saying to pop Recklessness with Avatar.
But we are also spec...
you can use reck and avatar together
fervent yoke
because week1 if noone kill the adds on ulgrax you just die
True prog is priority just didn’t know if the players who tested PTR had talent suggestions per boss bc some load outs are different
slim coral
True prog is priority just didn’t know if the players who tested PTR had talent ...
theres only one true ST fight
and it's sprocketmonger
round prawn
you can use reck and avatar together
Which kinda confuses me, it's seems like it would be a waste of a CD ?
hardy bluff
Which kinda confuses me, it's seems like it would be a waste of a CD ?
the timers stack
slim coral
Which kinda confuses me, it's seems like it would be a waste of a CD ?
why would that be a waste?
hardy bluff
click it and you will see
round prawn
the timers stack
Ah thank you
fervent yoke
theres only one true ST fight
Based of spreadsheet sims that means we only go fury on sprocket and arms for the rest?
slim coral
Based of spreadsheet sims that means we only go fury on sprocket and arms for th...
it's possbile although one coudl argue fury
round prawn
why would that be a waste?
I didn't realise the timers stack
slim coral
I didn't realise the timers stack
ah yes they do
fervent yoke
it's possbile although one coudl argue fury
Only way to truly know is to wait a couple weeks and see how the logs pan out I guess
I lack patience haha
slim coral
Only way to truly know is to wait a couple weeks and see how the logs pan out I ...
just watch revvez in RWF
hardy bluff
just look what the rwf guys are doing
slim coral
fastest way to know
hardy bluff
they know
fervent yoke
just watch revvez in RWF
Oh yeah duh thanks Bazed
tight magnet
Now arms is better or fury in Raid?
fervent yoke
Now arms is better or fury in Raid?
We wont know for sure until the raid releases / RWF but here’s the sims to speculate https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/10g479vXesC382k68gw4akUKeuGUodbDho0yhKK6Eh0w/htmlview?pli=1
I’m probably going slayer fury pure st - colossus arms on aoe fights first week
round prawn
ah yes they do
I've done barely no m+ as fury
Does it not happen in dungeons that you'd want to hold off on one or the other if you think the packs going to die too quick?
fading sky
has me eyeballing arms and I have despised that spec since wod ruined it
tbh arms arms rotation is in a better state than fury atm
heavy galleon
Fury is old now
Our gameplay is the same as Legion since they created rampage
The only new thing is meat cleaver 4 stack
summer quail
tbh arms arms rotation is in a better state than fury atm
hard disagree
fading sky
hard disagree
i feel like the fury one, has so many conditions atm
do u have 2 x bloodcraze u hit this, but wait, if u have this amount of rage this, if not rb, oh ye u just did bladestorm u need to rb a lot
unless u have bloodcraze at 3 stacks then u send that instead
summer quail
if you're talking about the bladestorm rb thing, you can basically ignore that. insanely small gain
heavy galleon
Fury is like DH BFA, 3 boutuns rotation 🤣
slim coral
I've done barely no m+ as fury
Does it not happen in dungeons that you'd want t...
Depends on the key level but it is possible on a low key that the pack could die fast enough you want to wait for a bigger pack
most of the time though you just send on cd
heavy galleon
I would love something like a other spell with rampage
Like a new big AoE rage spender
As arms you can spend rage with MS Cleave or exec
oblique trail
tbh arms arms rotation is in a better state than fury atm
Arms you can boil it down to press MS on cooldown and you're fine outside of that
It's not exactly the most exciting rotation at all
Rage isn't really a factor for the most part (except maybe as Colossus it becomes one), which removes a massive part of what made Arms more engaging to play
fading sky
Arms you can boil it down to press MS on cooldown and you're fine outside of tha...
i just feel like it at least has a focus point and a true "dmg" button now in MS after the buffs
oblique trail
And as for conditionals, there are also a lot of conditionals for Arms in AoE based on target count, and whether you have SS active or not
fading sky
where as every furys conditionals are so big
fading sky
well optimal play is
oblique trail
Bloodcraze you can ignore, SS you can ignore
fading sky
i know in realist just spam
oblique trail
Right, but optimal play will not net you an appreciable increase at all
sage ridge
I honestly think Arms is easier than fury right now
heavy galleon
you can lose more DPS if you want to min / max 0.5% dps than just spam
oblique trail
I'm all for playing optimally, but sometimes I really couldn't care less to play optimally if it means I gain a theoretical 0.2% increase
heavy galleon
sure
sage ridge
Stacking up slaughtering strikes is the main one I don't do
clever belfry
thats probably the easiest one though honestly
u just get a WA that displays brutal finish (always after bladestorm, duh) and then u add a glow if ure at 5 stacks 👍
hardy bluff
do you really wanna overcap rage for the bigger rampage?
clever belfry
yes
sage ridge
Exactly it feels unnatural
clever belfry
dont bother with it tho if u dont care really
sage ridge
It's minimal and feels bad
oblique trail
I'm taking that exact optimisation with a massive grain of salt
When I checked, it was a 0.4%~ loss to ignore it with AM
And on a per fight basis, with AM at least, it can either make or break you making a CD timing or not by overcapping rage and not just spending Rampage instantly
We might get another Ovinax situation where a single missed Rampage means you getting CDs in time or not
heavy galleon
Fury is one of the easiest spec to play by far
next ruin
Banezi in your "dumbed down" version, is bloodthirst prio over raging blow? In AOE
oblique trail
I have not actually looked at numbers, but ever since start of S1 I've always pressed BT > RB in AoE
To my knowledge it's not better in low target counts, but anything above 5+ it should be
I've also just not put myself into the S2 rotation at all yet and just pressed buttons so far 👍
fickle bluff
5 for slayer 6 for thane
next ruin
Just prio it in execute or aoe, press rampage when available, send execute when weak aura tells me to (or nothing else to press) and that's it
Thank you
quiet breach
Just prio it in execute or aoe, press rampage when available, send execute when ...
can u send ur execute weakaura
sage ridge
I have just been sending execute with 3 stacks of marked for execution, refresh aj, or when I have 2 stacks of sudden death
bold grail
Just had a nw brick on second boss and both the mage and hunter spam ???? healer
look and they have 1 and 2 kicks the entire key
i hate it here
visual breach
anyone got some cd macros they can share with AM build? playing RA all this time has thrown out my timing, and what buttons i can and should be macroing
hardy bluff
anyone got some cd macros they can share with AM build? playing RA all this time...
avatar and reck
visual breach
avatar and reck
but reck gets de-synced by AM...
next ruin
can u send ur execute weakaura
https://wago.io/SuKT7KC8I
It might need some tweaking
hardy bluff
but reck gets de-synced by AM...
yea you still wanna bind reck or just press the macro again
remote storm
The Wowhead guide and the Icy Veins guide say two "slightly" different things when it comes to Slayer's Execute, but just to confirm, I press Execute with Prio if:
Sudden Death is about to expire
Sudden Death is at 2 stacks
Currently have less than 3 stacks of Imminent Demise
Marked for Execution is at 3 stacks
Ashen Juggernaut is about to expire/missing
Other than those situations, It's just pressed if nothing else can be, besides Slam?
sage ridge
That is pretty much what I do but I don't pay attention to using it with less than 3 stacks of Imminent Demise because that usually just happens naturally
edgy widget
Yeah I truncated a little bit because the ID thing practically never happens
I think the line was used 0.23times in the simulation or something 
Unless it’s an ovinax situation where you’re explicitly trying to maximize Bladestorm AoE I def would not worry about it
remote storm
Perfect, Thank you both :)
true sequoia
Is there a set flow to the rotation or is it literally just spamming RB , BT and using cooldowns? Slam or bladestorm
dense elbow
Pray reap RNG is on your side, or do negative dam till bosses 
runic violet
do yall track BT crit?
sour frigate
No
runic violet
Just hit it like every 3 rb?
dense elbow
I got BT crit tracker, it is neat to have on ST to remind me to press the button
west stream
hey guys can i enchant both weapons with the same enchant or do i need 2 different ones?
hardy bluff
can be the same
west stream
i mean will i get benefit from both
slim coral
Yes
west stream
ah ok ty 🙂
runic violet
ok found the tracker. I like it
dense elbow
Kaching
glad coyote
hey guys can i enchant both weapons with the same enchant or do i need 2 differe...
Sim it it'll tell you what to use for each weapon
true sequoia
TLDR outside of cds spam bt in aoe and rb in st
That's almost as easy as bm hunter 😆
lapis shadow
do yall track BT crit?
Yes
strong sage
Is that the same BT tracker we used in Dragonflight?
lapis shadow
Is that the same BT tracker we used in Dragonflight?
There's a TWW one I use
strong sage
There's a TWW one I use
Ah cool, whats the name of it? 🙂
lapis shadow
Ah cool, whats the name of it? 🙂
At gym atm can find it for you when I come home
strong sage
At gym atm can find it for you when I come home
no worries, thank you!
feral ivy
For m+ next week what lvl should we start to take it slow and just try to time it?
lapis shadow
For m+ next week what lvl should we start to take it slow and just try to time i...
As in key level?
summer quail
For m+ next week what lvl should we start to take it slow and just try to time i...
everyone starts with a 2 key next week. just push it
if you start to struggle you know what to spam
lapis shadow
Was about to say to just push as much as you can
Your gonna start at a low key anyway
whole lotus
dense elbow
We gonna be farming 12s to skip the affix either way 👍
Ain't nobody want to deal with that
earnest canyon
Did they knock up/down the difficulty again? Like a 10 being a 20 or whatever was weird, but i dont tend to keep up with M+....its just a misery i slog through for gear
crude flame
hey folks i have a little question concerning rotation priority. what should i press when Bloodthirst, Raging blow, and execute are up?
dense elbow
M+ will be very ez once you know the dungs. Rookery will be annoying while ppl learn it
dense elbow
hey folks i have a little question concerning rotation priority. what should i p...
Hi, the complete prio list can be found in #dps-faq linking to the WoWhead guide, explaining when, why and how in detail
slim coral
hey folks i have a little question concerning rotation priority. what should i p...
depends are you in ST or AOE
quiet breach
do y'all consider arms to be harder to play than fury? if so why or why not?
cunning tusk
dusty flicker
pallid wing
considering stats prio for arms and fury, how interchangeable would gear be between them? let's say i'm arms stacking crit and want to play fury with the same gear, how noticeable would the stat prio difference be?
hollow elk
dense elbow
considering stats prio for arms and fury, how interchangeable would gear be betw...
Some %s on ST and a bit less on AoE. Just go Crit/haste for arms/pwarrior, and then over time gather some heavy mastery off pieces as you go
feral ivy
considering stats prio for arms and fury, how interchangeable would gear be betw...
If you plan on switch this would be time since all gear is useless while everyone is gearing up
thick fossil
I'm not keen on the new fury rotation in AoE. Rampage> RB till you can clap.
rarely do I get to the point of needing to hit BT until a) actually low on rage b) execute range
quiet breach
anyone have a separate weakaura that tracks slaughtering strikes and bloodcraze? I use luxathos and I either can't find it on there or its too small
I like the ability CDs for luxathos but hate the buff tracking
and debuff tracking
thick fossil
You don't need to track SS
quiet breach
You don't need to track SS
I'm new I want to anyway
round prawn
Got a weird problem I am not getting any Crushing blow or Bloodbath proccs when I am in recklessness?
quiet breach
someone linked me a nice execute wa
thick fossil
Got a weird problem I am not getting any Crushing blow or Bloodbath proccs when ...
Do you have Reckless abandon talented?
round prawn
no?
thick fossil
Then you don't get Crushing or Bloodbath
thick fossil
someone linked me a nice execute wa
SS only stacks to 5 total. With AM you hit Rampage to prevent rage capping. Always.
round prawn
thank you , latest guides are saying spec Anger management yep?
thick fossil
Yeah
RA change just turned it into a useless talent.
Would of been nice if one was better in AoE while the other was better in ST.
hardy shuttle
anyone have a separate weakaura that tracks slaughtering strikes and bloodcraze?...
I made and posted one on wago last night but it's insanely minor for SS. It's just called slaughtering strikes tracker
quiet breach
I made and posted one on wago last night but it's insanely minor for SS. It's ju...
ty
now I just need a bloodcraze tracker
also I should probably get like a "rage cap alarm" wa
radiant plank
duplicate and change trigger from ss to bc
hardy shuttle
I just use the old bloodthirst crit tracker with the kaching noise from DF, and removed the sound
remote storm
How important is it to get AJ running at the start of a boss fight? Enough to justify executing on the first SD proc?
modest condor
no, kind of whatever
you probably wont be able to maintain it before execute phase anyway unless you get giga rng
remote storm
So keep to the Prio, but it's not that important if I don't get it running asap
I imagine we should 100% uptime on AJ during the execute phase, was just curious about outside of that
subtle knoll
how far behind is slayer on aoe?
fickle bluff
~9%
charred estuary
Hear me out
Give fury a breath of sindragosa type effect as a capstone
eternal sundial
Hear me out
Give fury a breath of sindragosa type effect as a capstone
(anger management - keep reck up by spending enough)
95% reck uptime incident
fast mural
charred estuary
Something crazy like every 2s dump 60 rage and get a free rampage that does an extra (uncapped) burst of damage
Only active while reck is up or something lmao
hardy shuttle
go play dk
undone flower
Or get a shield and a sword
But I would not like to be that uptime dependent personally
modest condor
Hear me out
Give fury a breath of sindragosa type effect as a capstone
make it a mastery buff for players nearby, you could call it banner or something
modest condor
i was joking
charred estuary
🗿
modest condor
necro banner in shadowlands was basically our breath of sindragosa
you increased its duration by spending rage
charred estuary
Yeah but you still spent rage though right it's not exactly the same
quiet breach
what makes fury warriors have super high survivability compared to most other dps specs and classes?
fast mural
hp
modest condor
i mean if you want a buff that drains rage itself then you would need to change how fury works fundamentally because that would mean you cant maintain enrage
modest condor
what makes fury warriors have super high survivability compared to most other dp...
high hp, passive dr, multiple low cooldown defensives, solid self healing
charred estuary
i mean if you want a buff that drains rage itself then you would need to change ...
I mean that's easy to fix right
The drain casts a free rampage + the effect
edgy widget
idk I don't like the idea of a rage drain because that's... basically what Rampage does already
now if you want an absolutely cooked idea, here's one I had back in DF Alpha
edgy widget
put Rampage on a choice node with a new talent that allows you to cast a direct damage ability cast on a partial GCD ala MoP/WoD Bloodsurge for ~30 rage each, with a 30ish% chance to trigger Enrage, when using that ability, similarly reduce the chance for other Rampage-related procs by 66%
call it like Heroic Strike or somethin, idk 
wind root
personally I dont really like to play this version of fury 😦
edgy widget
<@61282228017041408> do u think warrior needs a big rework ?
depends on your definition of "big" but I think no, not really
most important thing it needs is a lot of careful intra-talent tuning
wind root
do u have any youtube channel or something for guide specs?
spare steppe
i feel like the bottom row for fury needs some tuning
quiet breach
depends on your definition of "big" but I think no, not really
most important th...
do u think any class needs a big rework?
edgy widget
I don't care about other classes
edgy widget
do u have any youtube channel or something for guide specs?
na I don't do the youtubez, just written stuff
sand sedge
could someone help me not be stupid? when talenting berserkers torment, if i macro avatar with recklessness, will it just add the 8 seconds to both or do i need to unmacro and space them out?
latent hedge
time will stack
sand sedge
zug zug brother
quiet breach
u are supposed to cast reck first THEN avatar correct?
latent hedge
yes
gilded pawn
u are supposed to cast reck first THEN avatar correct?
Doesn’t really matter
Technically you reck charge avatar
And in combat send it whenever
quiet breach
Technically you reck charge avatar
so is it worse to reck avatar charge? if so why
radiant plank
/cast Recklessness
/cast Avatar
/cast Charge
quiet breach
/cast Recklessness
/cast Avatar
/cast Charge
if I'm orc I should put /cast blood fury after avatar?
night portal
when our avatar/DR is about to come back up ST, is it optimal to hold reck a few seconds to align them? or does it not matter much
south kayak
put Rampage on a choice node with a new talent that allows you to cast a direct ...
is that cleavable
edgy widget
it's a single target attack, isn't it? 
south kayak
I'd love that tbh
a talent option that just completely changes your gamepaly like that is nice
edgy widget
Yeah, a bit too invasive to ever be real; just a fun thought exercise more than anything
south kayak
But either talent should be straight up better, wouldn't it?
something's always better
edgy widget
I mean that's fine
south kayak
Tier sets could make one better than the other
or just plain tuning
A rotation for either would be nice
edgy widget
a lot of things could
south kayak
every other tier, you play one
edgy widget
anything that procs off of "Rampage" without having a reduced rate for Heroic Strike would immediately upset balance
the intent wasn't to make a perfectly balanced idea; there's no such thing as perfect balance in WoW to begin with
it was just a fun thought exercise as to how a "heroic strike" like ability could be added to encourage the older style of gameplay without fundamentally redesigning the specialization
south kayak
anything that procs off of "Rampage" without having a reduced rate for Heroic St...
With the reduced Enrage chance for Heroic Strike, wouldn't SMF be better?
limber oar
thoughts on adding something like lust to warrior to make it fill out some sort of niche for m+?
south kayak
People are always talking about giving warriors lust
edgy widget
With the reduced Enrage chance for Heroic Strike, wouldn't SMF be better? <:dete...
no? SMF doesn't have any interaction with the GCD
Warriors don't need lust and giving them lust wouldn't make them meta in M+ anyway
edgy widget
no, if you're using roughly 3 HS to every 1 Rampage, they should average almost the exact same amount
either way, SMF has no interaction with that
south kayak
Right, fair
gilded pawn
I don’t think enrage will be an issue in the year of our lord 2025
I think blizzard has said 100% enrage uptime is the standard now
feral ivy
I can’t find it but I swore I read that the severs will be down but I forgot from 7-? Can anyone tell me
restive peak
It’ll be up at like 10-1030 pst most likely
restive peak
I’m a believer, they’ve been good the last few days 1s. Mind you all these rando crashes lately lol
final eagle
Dumb question, on a overall scenario do you macro your avatar + trink with tempered potion?
oblique trail
Dumb question, on a overall scenario do you macro your avatar + trink with tempe...
No
Macroing anything with your potion is never advised
final eagle
Ty
gilded pawn
Macroing anything with your potion is never advised
Except sigil of the first ones
Remember
oblique trail
Only exception probably in an eternity
dapper goblet
madox for yellow
slate tusk
When should we be replacing our tier?
stiff barn
4 set I believe
last sparrow
2 set even on normal for me is still a 20k dps increase
iirc its as soon as we get it
dense elbow
Our tierset is so weak, just replace it when you get the ilvl to do so :v
forest owl
good thing about shitty tierset is not having to worry about competing against others to get it, since you'll probably be prioritized last
clever path
Yeah I was gonna say the tiersets are like. ..the same for everyone almost 😅
violet condor
do we know what stats our tier pieces have?
dense elbow
OF+50% dam, say no more
forest ginkgo
Blizz can never get fury tier sets right
dense elbow
S3DF was solid, and S1DF would work if they balanced it properly (and execute did actual dam). TWWs1 was made to be boring AF
violet condor
Blizz can never get fury tier sets right
well its pretty obvious they dont have a full time dev play the class so how could they if they dont know how the class functions tobegin with?
clever path
Fury tier set is literally the same as other melee dps this tier
Winning streak is just kind of what we all have
Sucks as a tier but should make balancing easier
dense elbow
Good thing tho, we dont care about tierset, so we dont have to care about dramalama loot farma
dapper goblet
that was a goated set
if it was so goated why didnt it win 😏
dense elbow
It was so goated that even in s4 it was keeping up
dense elbow
They thought the tierset was AM, the same way ppl thought S3 tierset was annhilator
dont ask
they just did
restive peak
I tried so hard to get the masses to go s3, I will never let this die
I WAS RIGHT AND YALL WERE WRONG
Sorry I’m calm now
modest condor
no you were wrong
dapper goblet
true sequoia
Guys what level can you solo naxx at?
crude flicker
80 for sure
dense elbow
S1 was the goat
winter shoal
But if I get out, who will review fury logs of people pressing exe on cd
restive peak
S2 was the most faceroll our spec has ever been and that’s saying something
restive peak
Dogwater gameplay
winter shoal
Rampage on back to back gcds was dopamine straight to the brain
Seeing reck/rav cd ticking down
HOLY
restive peak
Although I guess I get why you enjoyed it
edgy widget
kaching gameplay was ok, I wouldnt' want it all the time, but an option that plays into it would be fine
like if Bloodcraze were a less universally used talent with a bigger payout or somethin
quiet breach
is it rare for y'all to cast slam?
edgy widget
fairly, yes, it and Whirlwind are the last resort filler
winter shoal
Maybe a handful of times per fight yeah
junior gale
Your not gonna catch me pressing slam on fury
tepid cedar
Has the APL been fully updated or will there be some more updates to it in the apl
junior gale
Rather just WW
edgy widget
Has the APL been fully updated or will there be some more updates to it in the a...
there's no such thing as finished, updates are always made as needed
quiet breach
in the entire history of world of Warcraft warrior has slam ever been an important ability?
junior gale
Yes
modest condor
yes
edgy widget
for most of the history of World of Warcraft, as a matter of fact
quiet breach
ah
tired bloom
in the entire history of world of Warcraft warrior has slam ever been an importa...
Its super important for prot rn
In pvp atleast
It's almost ur n1 damage dealer
remote bobcat
there's no such thing as finished, updates are always made as needed
I believe hes asking if the APL team is confident in its accuracy or if its still a little up in the air
Might be wrong tho
fair star
in the entire history of world of Warcraft warrior has slam ever been an importa...
its an important filler now
in vanilla aswell maybe
remote bobcat
It's almost ur n1 damage dealer
Its more than revenge?
tired bloom
500k rn
The damage goes up in pvp
Noone knows it
Its a subtle change lol
Its twice as much i think
remote bobcat
Oh pvp balancing
tired bloom
In burst u keep spamming it , critting 800ks
tired bloom
Like i don't even care they nerfed execute, if the make slam damage go up
Prot will be so strong in pvp
edgy widget
I believe hes asking if the APL team is confident in its accuracy or if its stil...
that's a really leading question lol
remote bobcat
I had assumed the burst from shield charge into demolish is king
tired bloom
Naaah the thing is
remote bobcat
that's a really leading question lol
Ur right
tired bloom
Slam, shield slam, execute
These are top 3, and rend also
U get stacks for bolster, burst shield block, spear, and just keep hitting with slam and other spells
remote bobcat
Hmm
tired bloom
Crit build? Uhh idk if it's meta or not but it's definitely not bad
If u play on eu i can show u
remote bobcat
And demolish is easy to escape
I assume shield charge (stun) into demolish into slamming and execute is giga burst. If they trinket to get out of demolish you do it again in 30secs or whatever. Also shockwave can be talented into a knockup to avoid stun dr a little bit
remote bobcat
If u play on eu i can show u
I do but im on the shitter rn with my m+ group waiting
tired bloom
Yiee idk, i guess im just not a fan of waiting for a big burst and want more of a consistent damage
Ill def try it out tho
U kinda changed my minda
hardy bluff
are weightstone and mana oil interchangable or is there a clear winner?
remote bobcat
If the dmg isnt substantial enough to justify colossus then obv thanes better
But if the burst ends up being good then i believe it will be worth it
remote bobcat
are weightstone and mana oil interchangable or is there a clear winner?
I think its a sim angle
tired bloom
Yeaah, it's just i haven't played with colossus for a long time i guess i got used to it
remote bobcat
Werent they about equal?
tired bloom
It's also good for shield slam by going colossus
remote bobcat
Tclap turns more into a slow+bleed button i think
tired bloom
Yieep yieep, rend is top 5 damage atleast when u use it
lapis scaffold
is it normal for wow classic to induce rage?
i legit fucking hate murlocs right now
"discover rolf's fate" is the most fucking broken quest ever
2 stagnant murlocks just sit by the quest objective and they kept respawning after like 2 minutes
i couldn't complete the quest because a murlock would show up every second from around the corner or a random respawn
what the fuck