its just..both specs are good
#arms
hollow plover
as someone who tanks a lot
im glad i got to see this routing difference
as dps
I woulda gotten flamed so hard
hollow plover
yeop
eager sigil
we just thought we were stupid
dim basalt
I was blasting 2.4M in a GB yesterday, was fun
Curious how much I could do in a SV
Prob like 3.5
Or at least 3.2
rare slate
Hello, do we have projection about the nerf as arms vs fury ? Please someone tell me i wont have to play fury in raid in order to be optimal
rancid solstice
Hello. Check updates channel
eager sigil
Hello, do we have projection about the nerf as arms vs fury ? Please someone tel...
both are good and you will decide boss by boss
or just play what you want
onyx rapids
but they perform just about equally
thabks for the feedback man
it seems that i wasnt considering mob alignment before spamming cleave and demolish.
hollow plover
thabks for the feedback man
it seems that i wasnt considering mob alignment befo...
just remember that demolish is used quite late usually
because you really want the 10 stack demolish
while also having all the other key pieces ready
charge>cleave>tclap>troar>sweeping strikes>ravager>avatar+warbreaker>stuff to get 10 colossus stacks>demolish
rare slate
or just play what you want
Tyvm
lethal stream
arms dead ?
torn rivet
yo chads we don't use sks anymore?
stiff wedge
I really want to play arms this season but the warrior pug life is rough. What are y’all’s thoughts on that?
hollow plover
I really want to play arms this season but the warrior pug life is rough. What ...
? just play
wdym
not sure what the issue is
stiff wedge
Takes forever to get a group and I don’t like wasting my time sitting in tow
hollow plover
Warrior will never have an easy time getting into m+ groups
I personally never had any issue with raids
stiff wedge
I can get groups quick on mage or as tank
hollow plover
I have always gotten quick invites into raids
empty raft
lmao
hollow plover
it doesnt matter if ur arms or fury
stiff wedge
Yes lol
hollow plover
you wont get good invites unless you are stupidly broken
slate grail
if ur good ppl will take you. can easily get close to title pugging then if top guys notice you, you might get into premades for title
hollow plover
if ur good ppl will take you. can easily get close to title pugging then if top ...
^
you can either want to play a lot of m+ or you can want to play a lot of warrior in m+
these two things arent the same
because warrior invites are p much never that great
stiff wedge
And what about just making my own groups?
slate grail
people will come, get it high as you can first wk or gets exponentially harder get good ppl sign up as time goes on
cloud gyro
Guys i played some fury and this spec is really fun <3 Its exactly like outlaw except you dont have to press buttons fast
charred brook
rose matrix
In 5+ target situation if you have nothing left to press would it be better to send a thunderclap or execute?
charred brook
Hmm, I guess a TC to refresh rend if cleave, ms, and overpower are all on cd
execute does nothing for us really in a 5 target situation as col
rose matrix
Yeah I guess if rend is recently refreshed maybe just send the execute
charred brook
yeah but thats ST
hollow plover
in ST you have execute uses as colossus m+ build ya
like during ravager
you spam execute
teal rampart
sorry but how do we get sparks this week?
sharp wyvern
we dont
dense escarp
yo guys! have someone compared fury and arms sims after the nerf? is still arms the way to go?
trim lintel
roll a dice, even = yes, odd = no
shadow ibex
Maybe they buff us outside of execute obv
slow saddle
start panicing
We are fucked
sharp wyvern
we are
slow saddle
Only scary thing is
sharp wyvern
fury is next
hybrid depot
if demolish is up but warbreaker is on cd do we hold for warbreaker or send demolish on cd
slow saddle
Hold it id say
hybrid depot
ty
slow saddle
U talkin aoe r?
In m+
Im actually super dissapointed they didnt buff or make new embellishments
slow saddle
I enjoy a good craft
shadow ibex
Just a checklist item
slow saddle
Nah
slow saddle
Its still 3 ilvls
shadow ibex
They made them all minor gains
sharp wyvern
once just a single spec uses an uncrafted piece over a crafted one they buff them
gotta make sure crafting is relevant
icy mulch
Better than S2 was
icy mulch
yup, lol
slow saddle
But i liked crafting being bis. Aquisition was slow enough. But ppl with multiple chars would get ruined
icy mulch
Sounds like only a problem for ppl that reroll all the time.
smoky kayak
good, fuck em
icy mulch
shadow ibex
I don't love or hate it. Just a raid prep thing
cloud gyro
if demolish is up but warbreaker is on cd do we hold for warbreaker or send demo...
The only time where you strictly hold it is in ST execute, otherwise just try to line them up when there is not much lost cd on either
shadow ibex
8 gcds or something is the max anything is held usually
daring flicker
arms is dead
sacred zodiac
shot outback by blizzard
sharp loom
guys are you using thunderous roar before or after avatar? seems that in most guides it's used before but why since avatar it's increasing the dmg
charred brook
idc if arms is slightly behind fury im not playing that am shit fury is now ong
im not playing desynced AM fury id rather be taken outback myself
ivory widget
im not playing desynced AM fury id rather be taken outback myself
What is sync’d about the current arms builds? Honestly, none of it feels great. Love warr, but that’s the truth
charred brook
Wdym, have you played it all this week
There's always something to press with opportunist, its the same timing it has always been
MS feels good, OP feels good
Execute DID feel good
trim lintel
guys are you using thunderous roar before or after avatar? seems that in most gu...
roar damge come from the dot, not the initial damage, and using roar after avatar mean using a gcd in the avatar window which is less optimal
ivory widget
You’re talking about abilities. I’m talking about CDs
charred brook
How has arms cds changed it all we still play AM on arms as always
i dont think anything has changed, and it feels fine
nova marsh
Aside from the new wb animation being trash
icy mulch
Yeah, still do not like the new animation.
At the very least, the weapons should swing inward toward the armor.
lethal lodge
so we should change out legendary skippy for Windsinger now on the ring?
rancid solstice
Yeah
lethal lodge
thanks @rancid solstice for the reply i just replaced it
rancid solstice
thanks <@221845526205693953> for the reply i just replaced it
Ye there’s more info in the updates channel
lethal lodge
yes i just read it mate
rancid solstice
I simmed both after I read it, windsinger is ahead
rich kernel
Did anyone ever answer this?
wintry arch
Pretty sure deep wounds has been around since classic
naive breach
arms is kill
rich kernel
Pretty sure deep wounds has been around since classic
So I did mandela effect myself? Specifically remembering this from BFA arms when mastery was 80%+ of damage
naive sage
You mandela effected urself
steep osprey
Greivous wounds was a m+ affix lmao
pearl jasper
It is warbreaker and CS they are changing the visual for again right?
rich kernel
Greivous wounds was a m+ affix lmao
mmm maybe thats what I mandela'd. Especially cause in bfa you also had gushing wound from the Kings Rest weapon
Didn't they add gushing wound baseline to Fury?
oh wait no gushing was azerite
power
steep osprey
Wait, was the king's rest weapon also called gushing wound
the dot?
Gushing wounds is Cold Steel hot Blood
we have it now
as a dot
rich kernel
I can't remember waht that dot from teh weapon was called
untold trench
That was the name of the weapon, so sounds right
eager sigil
getiku
rich kernel
untold trench
Dont remember
shadow ibex
Gushing wound is the glyph that makes dw bloodier right
steep osprey
yes
rich kernel
Guhing wound was an azerite power for fury, and now from Cold steel hot blood right?
shadow ibex
It was always cshb
shadow ibex
It probably did but I think effect on armor was cshb
rich kernel
untold trench
I know I know the words gushing wounds, so it 100% was a thing on something
untold trench
Well there it is
rich kernel
gushing gushing gushes
steep osprey
an gushers in chat
untold trench
Ya ppl need Elune
hollow axle
MS not applying rend under 35%?
rich kernel
I prefer Belore too Elune
hollow axle
I have that
hollow axle
Its feels like its not applying the debuff, just adds time
eager sigil
how are we competing with the one armed bandit hammer with evokers ?
not just them
hollow axle
The talent says it "inflicts rend"
rich kernel
Would bloodletting pandemic it?
hollow axle
And iam pretty sure in the past it aplied the debuff
sharp wyvern
so because of the dinar they just make loot less accesable ?
good design
same thing with the house of cards trinket
rich kernel
so because of the dinar they just make loot less accesable ?
Huh? No? Dinar isn't even until 11.1.5 either
hollow axle
Anyone tested it? Iam inside a delve, its definity not applying nor reapplying/adding time
@smoky kayak Bloodletting working as intended?
fathom shoal
Was working fine for me yesterday
grizzled estuary
is this exec nerf somehow relevant pls guys? i guess impactful in st?
sharp wyvern
its over
smoky kayak
Anyone tested it? Iam inside a delve, its definity not applying nor reapplying/a...
get a video or a log of it
charred brook
Wait is that serious, we compete with evokers for BiS?
shadow ibex
It's a 2h caster mace
charred brook
Not on my watch
charred brook
Honestly I forgot evokers could use maces
hearty pewter
Hpala also if i remember correct
charred brook
There’s no way it’s a bigger upgrade for them than for like us or dk or ret tho right
void bay
Honestly I forgot evokers could use maces
I sometimes forget evoker is even a class
silent tendon
isn't the str/agi different from the int one?
fickle oar
why is cleave now doing a single target animation?
shadow ibex
Fob
warped spade
There’s no way it’s a bigger upgrade for them than for like us or dk or ret tho ...
On use is better for them, It lines up with dragonrage. It'll depend if weapon damage is big enough for us to come out ahead
sacred zodiac
just get a different weapon or
warped spade
isn't the str/agi different from the int one?
It's the same weapon. If you read the tooltip, out of combat usage switches the main stat
hollow axle
get a video or a log of it
I dont have the tools to record, but it didnt work inside a delve. I tested on an orgrimmar dummy it worked fine.
steep osprey
to shit class
dude what
naive sage
ayy can we start doomin
First symptom of dooming phase is gif spamming
steep osprey
lmfao
steep osprey
sacred zodiac
First symptom of dooming phase is gif spamming
arms is dead
grizzled estuary
yes guys i liek to see this
we are so dead no more execute trash class i respec sham
lament elbow
arms = ⚰️
grizzled estuary
midnight jewel
this is worth the price of nitro
steep osprey
naive breach
fresh spire
olive nest
white blade
hey guys, if i wanted to play the first 3 talent configs from archimtiros' wowhead article, the execute changes dont count in any way for me right?
lament ridge
Been spending a little time with the colossus M+ builds. I have a few prio list questions (I did look at the WoWhead guide):
- Do you start using cleave at 2 targets, or only at 3+ targets?
- Why do you want to activate sweeping strikes before ravager?
- How long would you hold avatar for csmash?
- Is there ever a time when OP becomes higher prio than MS like it does in the slayer build?
eager sigil
hey guys, if i wanted to play the first 3 talent configs from archimtiros' wowhe...
talents didnt change
white blade
ok thanks
thick kelp
Been spending a little time with the colossus M+ builds. I have a few prio list ...
- 2
- more globals inside mbg
- if cs cd is less than 10s
- no
lament ridge
Ohhh, merciless bonegrinder. Ok, dope. So cleave on 2. Also, guide says to send demolish on 10 stacks in AOE but is there ever a time you'd ever send on less?
thick kelp
if cs is about to run out
naive breach
didint check the maffs, i think youd send it before cs would fade
oh
walhe is too fast
lament ridge
Thanks chief.
Oh, sorry one last thing. Does cleave continue to be highest prio move over MS even on 2 target? I'm guessing yes.
rare kite
wait rly? cleave is prio over ms at 2 target with ss?
thick kelp
Oh, sorry one last thing. Does cleave continue to be highest prio move over MS e...
if you have sweep up you would rather press ms op execute (in this order) regardless if sweep is up or down, only cleaving as last place filler
@rare kite fixed 
rare kite
okok scared me for a second there ahahha
thick kelp
Kinda read 3targets
lament ridge
Ok, got it.
rare kite
lament ridge
So your ST moves with sweep up, cleave as highest prio when sweep down on 2+ targets.
thick kelp
cleave is highest prio at 3 or more
lament ridge
Gotcha, even with sweep?
lament ridge
k
thick kelp
Most of cleave buffing talents only start working at 3 targets
fiery berry
this nerf change rota execute?
tacit crystal
Most of cleave buffing talents only start working at 3 targets
why does gajeel do infinite damage
thick kelp
why does gajeel do infinite damage
thick kelp
this nerf change rota execute?
You now ignore the rage condition on overpower when opportunist up
umbral iris
IS ARMS DEAD GG
umbral iris
no but really how much st nerf
rare kite
not much. 3.6%
upbeat pelican
no but really how much st nerf
umbral iris
thx
thick hamlet
yo is the ring good for season 2? i skipped that patch
sweet quartz
happy with this trinket
thick hamlet
change for good mythic ring
is this something you read somewhere etc? what are the numbers on it
fiery berry
thick hamlet
arch already made a post on it? damn he moves quick
fiery berry
yeah
fickle oar
this warbreaker animation is honestly the most awful thing I've ever seen
untold trench
Yes it is, do remember to go to the offical forums and have your voice heard about it. Yes they said they going to look at it, but complain none-the-less
wintry arch
Is anyone else gonna play colossus in raid?
I am world number one blade storm/ww animation slayer strike hater
wind flicker
Since when can we not reflect consecration anymore in priory?
That was like my favorite reflect 😦
untold trench
RIP Consecration and ToP last boss reflects
void bay
Mr Blizzard reads everything
wind flicker
RIP Consecration and ToP last boss reflects
Yeah about the ToP reflect... Funny story...
Kugh
I noticed xd
zenith warren
that font color actually hurts my eyes xd
tacit crystal
Yeah about the ToP reflect... Funny story...
goat returns
knotty marsh
For arms warrior on this next seaseon in M+, im clearly not going to be getting a 678 Best in slots if im not mythic raiding, so would taking the dawnthreads still be the play over the weapon embelishment? as a 678 normal weapon would outperform the heroic Best in slots
warped coral
they are going to add some kind of currency to buy specific item
minor gust
For arms warrior on this next seaseon in M+, im clearly not going to be getting ...
There's no harm in crafting a wep at the start and switching later
hollow juniper
happy with this trinket
did u get this trinket from bountiful delve ? and which level of delve u got it ?
tight idol
if i wanted to craft 3 pieces of gear this week, what embelishments are good to use?
young pewter
How big is this execute nerf to overall?
young pewter
Appreciate it thx
sweet quartz
did u get this trinket from bountiful delve ? and which level of delve u got it ...
weekly chest
young pewter
Can anyone point me in the right direction of a decent guide for arms? Super new to it, read the wowhead guide and slapped the dummies for a hour or so
Does critcake got any good stuff on arms?
sweet quartz
which event ?
awakened machine
hollow juniper
ok tnx
young pewter
You just answered your own question
Yeah I meant outside wowhead like video I’m a visual learner
I guess I can just look at what critcake is hitting in runs nvm ig
minor gust
Maxroll has pictures. But if you really need a video Madox has done some guides for arms and fury
young pewter
Thank you thank you
tacit crystal
madox for yellow
minor gust
You mean green
Madox is far superior than those yellow guys and needs his own category
wind flicker
goat returns
:3
tacit crystal
@icy mulch
tough steppe
wind flicker
Ill have a look!
icy mulch
<@218217312346570752>
wind flicker
Kinda busy these days :S
tacit crystal
despair
knotty marsh
There's no harm in crafting a wep at the start and switching later
im more wondering about embelisments
are we only taking the dawnthread becuase best in slots takes the weapon embelish away, or are the dawnthreads better than ascendance already
lethal acorn
Bloodborne not worth taking at all anymore?
tacit crystal
xddd
minor gust
are we only taking the dawnthread becuase best in slots takes the weapon embelis...
Ascendance is for raid if you only do M+ there's no reason to craft the Ascendance embellishment.
knotty marsh
thanks!
minor gust
In full bis tho you would run dawn/dusk embellishments because of the Wep from the raid yes
vague nova
When people start pushing keys is it gonna be healer check or dps check first, if we even know yet
Assuming 95% bis not like day 3 shenanigans
minor gust
Keys haven't been a DPS check since shadowlands
vague nova
Dreaming of those days again
grand idol
Anyone happen to know off hand the approximate ilvl to change over from current 4pc to 2/2 so I don't have to sim it?
minor gust
You can run 2pc 2pc once you get it
tight idol
on a fresh warr, sghould i craft 3 pieces this week with the weathered crests? or what is advised, if anything
eager sigil
on a fresh warr, sghould i craft 3 pieces this week with the weathered crests? o...
dont think it matters tbh
upbeat pelican
on a fresh warr, sghould i craft 3 pieces this week with the weathered crests? o...
Copypasta of what I wrote to guildies about things you can do this week:
- Do the 11.1 quest line for 600+ items
- Do 2x weeklies for Pinnacle Chests which give 626 gear
- Fly and collect 90 Weathered Crests and craft 3x 629 gear
- Get the 658 ring from Siren Isle. It will be bis for most until mythic rings
- Renown 7 gives an item too
doesn't really answer your question. weathered crests are obsolete in two weeks anyway so do whatever with them :)
dim basalt
- Stock up on Valorstones
upbeat pelican
yeah
tight idol
Copypasta of what I wrote to guildies about things you can do this week:
1) Do ...
Ya i did all that, however got screwed out of two 626 pieces bc of the bug. but i wanted to specifically know, if im crafting 3 pieces, what slots and which embelishments
upbeat pelican
Ya i did all that, however got screwed out of two 626 pieces bc of the bug. but ...
check #dps-faq for embellishments
you'll replace those 629 crafts soon enough and those can't be upgraded with other crests as they are blue items afaik, so doesn't matter
glossy tusk
Silvemoon deadge?
tight idol
you'll replace those 629 crafts soon enough and those can't be upgraded with oth...
so i could do double writhin armor pieces
and then craft a weapon i guess?
eager sigil
well you can only equip 2 embelishments
so craft writhing and weapon with ascension
and 3rd without
tight idol
kk
sweet quartz
first actual attemp on ST rotation dmg profile looking right ?
astral talon
yo, does mystic touch take school or damage type into consideration?
its the buff to dmg from monk
eager sigil
yo, does mystic touch take school or damage type into consideration?
it only increases physical damage
astral talon
okay, but if there's a paladin
quaint otter
...
quaint otter
buffs physical
minor gust
paladin does physical and holy
astral talon
okay, different
eager sigil
holy damage wont get increased
minor gust
^
astral talon
good, what i wanted to hear
minor gust
you scale off AP
gaunt owl
for example this fire ability is fire school
this multi school ability is technically more physical
quaint otter
im sorry
eager sigil
gaunt owl
look at this guy doesnt even play wow anymore and hes posting this shit
i'm the only one allowed to spread misinformation
minor gust
quaint otter
astral talon
<@291636646225379328>is sv balling coming tier
i dunno, i dropped mine in shadowlands or sth
no, mid df
boreal quartz
boreal quartz
i will get it 70 for the fyrakk pet ig
thick kelp
sv fuck good
astral talon
oh as BM?
gaunt owl
astral talon
bro we can have BOMBACRAB
quaint otter
bro we can have BOMBACRAB
black
astral talon
astral talon
pretend i typo'd aim and play MM angle then
ngl, survi needs a rework
but like
not changing two talents and one ability
it needs to be REMOVED and then reimplemented
xD
astral talon
shadowlands it was fun
very fun
with few diff builds that all somehow worked well
even the kyrian trap spammer clownfiesta lmao
then came dragonflight
it was still fine
super fun in m+
decent in raids
mongoose bite priority
now its dogshit somehow
butcher/flanking is wack
astral talon
4?
torpid jackal
Does anyone have that "Cast car, if car not available favorite mount" macro that was posted in here the other day
boreal quartz
ye
astral talon
and two big cds
boreal quartz
its less than i recall it being previously which is nice
astral talon
it used to be more buttons 😦
boreal quartz
since they removed serpents sting
severe haven
i played mage/sham in SL
astral talon
i dunno, i think its worse now
severe haven
arcane mage was so fucked up
severe haven
kinda funny that an iteration of that is back now
boreal quartz
hm i have my rogue still but idk if i can be fucked to play it
shadow ibex
silk spade
hm i have my rogue still but idk if i can be fucked to play it <:keks:9362316108...
you can (by me)
astral talon
hm i have my rogue still but idk if i can be fucked to play it <:keks:9362316108...
no
you will not play rogue
boreal quartz
my rogue is level 70 and i hate levelling
minor gust
hm i have my rogue still but idk if i can be fucked to play it <:keks:9362316108...
Play DH it owns this season very fun to play
boreal quartz
i think its gg
twin hazel
is there a best cartel for warriors?
deep moth
twin hazel
nothing for skinners/miners?
minor gust
purely cosmetic
twin hazel
cosmetic phfftttt
steep osprey
It's not purely cosmetic
music changes too
and that's a dps gain when u hear good music
twin hazel
are set bonuses still good or just upgrade gear to higher levels?
thick kelp
Still good
sharp wyvern
oh no
dull siren
@calm vessel
twin hazel
damn
sharp wyvern
we are cooked
minor gust
Delete that Tmy
sharp wyvern
fury BiS
dull siren
I'll fix it a bit more Chatting
dim basalt
Please don't
steep osprey
The music in Undermine was bussing until I choose a cartel
dull siren
Massivity Chatting
shadow ibex
sharp wyvern
isn't this within variation
if stormbolt is a dps increase then people are gonna go with this
steep osprey
still not enough to care about it
People can do whatever they want
but when they complain about it, it's all on them
dull siren
It's fine to sandbag Box
steep osprey
susge
minor gust
number bigger its time for the SKS return
steep osprey
make it 16740
dull siren
No, I'll keep the secrets hidden and 100% parse every kill
Like @thick kelp
Look at him go
Only 100's everytime he was there
best warrior
thick kelp
Im being framed here
minor gust
Always knew Walhe was hiding things
SKS is bis but hes keeping it a secret for himself
dull siren
Yup
quaint otter
magic canopy
SkS can die
snow flame
@reef glade
halcyon valve
<@593536556472729602>
Hell yeah
tacit crystal
<@593536556472729602>
hi
minor gust
yeah their gonna see Xan in there and nerf fury
silk spade
<@593536556472729602>
xan noob
floral ledge
why do you want his log dawg
want to see the replay, how he is playing ect
analysing
minor gust
thats what they all say
snow flame
Pause did this guy just call walhe baby
thick kelp
Private logged this tier
tacit crystal
<:peepoBlush:818323879315505233>
hey baby
minor gust
damn all you dating Walhe?
dull siren
xdd
hexed saddle
https://www.twitch.tv/swordish__/clip/BoxySpookyCodGivePLZ-qpT7Txs7y513YVAF
unbelievable
hexed saddle
<@137363315817971712>
u gotta stop man
dull siren
u gotta stop man
Well
If I just did this sim
correctly
I'm trying to confirm it I think I've made a crime
thick kelp
(he simmed 99999 variations)
icy mulch
https://www.twitch.tv/swordish__/clip/BoxySpookyCodGivePLZ-qpT7Txs7y513YVAF
That's called frontal roulette. lol
thick kelp
(0.01% margin of error)
boreal quartz
https://www.twitch.tv/swordish__/clip/BoxySpookyCodGivePLZ-qpT7Txs7y513YVAF
spmgie player framme
boreal quartz
i was 14 versions behind
when i logged in again
and didnt have action bars
went crzay
minor gust
for about 1 hour then it was fixed
charred brook
begone sks
heavy seal
for anyone that is still playing this week. the legendary skipper nerf seems to be pushed in NA so might wanna sim with the windsinger's. for me the windsinger's was an increase
hollow plover
what was sks again
halcyon breach
Skullsplitter
rancid knot
are we running arms for everything now (raid (ST), raid (MT) and M+) or is it fury for mt + m+ and arms for st?
lean geode
are we running arms for everything now (raid (ST), raid (MT) and M+) or is it fu...
You can play either spec in raid or m+
They are strong for different reasons, and relatively close to each other overall
Playing the one you prefer and are better at will probably have the best results for you
pearl jasper
Has the best build changed as a result of the nerf?
quaint otter
lean geode
Rng from the special assignment weekly
wooden lava
where is that?
lean geode
Undermine
wooden lava
ok thx
lean geode
You do some world quests then kill 4 elites
lean geode
Has the best build changed as a result of the nerf?
For slayer, not that I'm aware of. For colossus in M+, it makes battlelord pretty definitively better than juggernaut (which most people felt like it was already anyways)
pearl jasper
noted, thank you
twin hazel
i did that quest didnt get crap
severe haven
nvm
chilly wave
yo big dawgs, been a minute since playing arms, do we MS at 3 targets and 5 with Sweeping up still?, and cleave otherwise?
silk spade
I didn't get sub 6
dull siren
gg
rich kernel
for just bursting down packs in low keys, like below 7, is slayer still better, or is it now coll?
quaint otter
It doesn't matter at that level play whatever
rich kernel
i mean ofc, but which has the better burst really?
shadow ibex
stormrage offline?
shadow ibex
rich kernel
ive noticed it has been laggy all day too
minor gust
hopefully its to help fix lag or some shit
gusty nymph
Colossus is really good at the moment. Really fun in aoe. Survivabiity is noticeably better. Really fun spec
void bay
hopefully its to help fix lag or some shit
nah its offline cos I 1v1'd everyone and killed them all
shadow ibex
void bay
they are searching for more people
wintry arch
should i alwys send the first sudden death proc
or wait for 2
i guess wait for 2 cuz thatll let me hold the full jugg time
tender ermine
Check out madox's video, there's a weakaura that pings when you should send your execute
Basically you wanna send it whenever your juggernaut is about to expire, you get 3 stacks of marked for execution or you get 2 stacks of sudden death.
tender ermine
The very first one in the fight, I think you can just raw send it to start up the old juggernaut stacks unless someone bigger brain than me says otherwise haha
rich kernel
Check out madox's video, there's a weakaura that pings when you should send your...
is there a way to make this work for prot war in execute build? Because that also runs jugg
tender ermine
I think you can just set the weakaura to load on both specs if you wanted to.
All the buffs are the same so I don't see why that wouldn't work out
rich kernel
All the buffs are the same so I don't see why that wouldn't work out
thanks ill look into it
wintry arch
The very first one in the fight, I think you can just raw send it to start up th...
That’s what I was thinking too. But then I thought waiting for the second stack of sudden death would guarantee you could reset once jugg is low. So I think sticking to the conditions of the above weak aura is good even in the very first sd of a fight
minor gust
The very first one in the fight, I think you can just raw send it to start up th...
dont press execute until any of the conditionals are met. Sending exe instead of slam is a minor dps loss if none of those conditionals are met
tender ermine
dont press execute until any of the conditionals are met. Sending exe instead of...
Thanks for clearing that up!
tight idol
revezz recommends blademaster's torment, its different than the wowhead guides. is this just preference?
also noticed he uses soa over dreadnaught
cosmic fossil
minor gust
revezz recommends blademaster's torment, its different than the wowhead guides. ...
Blademaster and DN are both just more aoe options. If you want more ST you swap to warlords and SOA
mental moon
I am getting conflicting information on this priority.
There are people saying that there should be a 4 condition added to this (shown in bold), is it correct or no?
"Execute with three stacks of Marked for Execution, two stacks of Sudden Death, one stack of Sudden Death with 3 seconds remaining, or to refresh Juggernaut just before it falls
do we do the part in bold or no?
minor gust
kind of a given you dont want SD to fall off without being used, but yeah the bold is part of the conditions
mental moon
thanks
lean geode
I am getting conflicting information on this priority.
There are people saying ...
Archi simplifies the wowhead prio list a bit from the "real" APL - last I simmed it (in 11.0.7), the difference between using your 1SD before it expires vs not was within sim margin of error
So my takeaway from that is "it's technically correct, but probably not worth worrying about"
I have a weakaura do the worrying for me though
mental moon
ah mkay good to know
minor gust
ngl Archi should just link the WA right next to that part in the guide
just like hey this exists but heres the WA to do the thinking for you
mental moon
i made a WA for it bc I couldnt find any good ones, I was wondering if I needed to add another trigger for that
minor gust
scroll up
minor gust
it will play a kaching when you should press exe
can change the sound to w/e u want if u dont like the kaching
lean geode
I made my own that also displays the jugg/SD timers over top of it to consolidate the information
mental moon
now I'm gonna compare mine to that one to see if I made mine correctly lol
lean geode
But Cone's is probably better if you don't want that
dire frost
cause you have impending victory
dire frost
xdd
shadow ibex
i think it used to in SL but since DF nah
cobalt sinew
at least we still have carrion feast execute
pearl jasper
Mortal strike feels so good to press
urban marten
Idk we still use thunder clap as a rage dump on m+ aoe
rotund frost
Hey, y'all know which is preferable if you can't get to 10 stacks of demolish during Warbreaker?
- Demolish in warbreaker window, even if under 10 stacks
- Wait for 10 stacks even if you miss out on the WB
reef glade
i think technically if its at like 7+ stacks you probably could send before WB falls off cause it'd be about the same since each stack is 10% dmg but also each stack gives the mobs like an extra damage taken debuff thing thats nicer to have full stacks with
but i think in practice i just always send it when its at 10 anyway cause demolish will eventually reach 10 and you could send another global or 2 in the WB instead like a cleave or ms or something
the only like stack contemplation i do on it is if like youre doing a pack right before either a way bigger pack or a boss or something it may be prudent to send it earlier so you get it back faster if you dont think you'll have enough time to build a brand new set of stacks on it with a 45 second cooldown
rotund frost
Sounds good, thank you for your input
reef glade
but so yea i mean to make things easier and not have to track how many stacks of that shit you have youre probably just fine to send it when it lights up with 10 stacks
altho with sweeping strikes ravager you probably can get 10 stacks pretty fast
like all fresh cds walking into a pack
to almost assuredly get it during wb
spamming as many ms's and cleaves as you can
but eh shid happens sometimes
minor gust
altho with sweeping strikes ravager you probably can get 10 stacks pretty fast
they fixed the bug btw your not getting extra stacks from ravager because of SS
minor gust
spring vale
cant have fun interactions
minor gust
still its pretty rare to not have a 10 stack demolish in a WB window
you have to be super unlucky
reef glade
yea i mean if you have no cds and no rage
not as improbable
but during avatar should be like guaranteed
minor gust
yeah
I wish they made CM last 1 minute like imminent demise for slayer
would help keeping stack between packs
reef glade
yea watching it fall off is misery
minor gust
Me screaming at the tank whos taking forever to pull the next pack and I lose stacks
reef glade
the thing also just shouldnt cancel if someone drags mob away
just let it finish man
fuck the melee range realism
minor gust
they just had to give us Fyrakk lego instead of making demolish like Fist of Fury
spring vale
:padge:
reef glade
the opposite
minor gust
The funnel part of it was neat yeah
reef glade
like the only boss that actually mattered on
otherwise it was just a bit more pad in m+
waiting until like week fucking 14 to get it or something was a drag
fuckin axekandi man..
reef glade
wonder what this xpacs legendary is gonna be
dont think theyve ever gone one without one
in some fashion
even if its like last patch of the xpac
minor gust
I guess BFA had the cloak right
reef glade
yea
minor gust
who knows they might actually skip it this expansion
the backlash last expansion was pretty rough but they deserved it.
Poor evokers didnt even get a bad luck protection system for their lego till like the .5 patch
minor gust
our dev evoker at the time didnt get the lego till the last week of the patch
had like 12 mythic sark kills by that point
disgusting
spring vale
I wasnt playing much at the time, werent people kinda pissed that only one race and one class had a whole legendary dedicated to them (Evoker)?
minor gust
prob not 12 now that im trying to remember how many weeks of farm we had that patch. think like 8 or 9 M sark kills
reef glade
eh i mean race is who cares class is what mattered but maybe a bit
i think the ppl most negatively affected are the actual players of the class themselves
ik a druid in my guild was pissed 10.2 wasnt a druid legendary
minor gust
Evoker was the new class of the expansion I dont think many ppl cares they got a lego
minor gust
yknow in the emerald dream themed patch
yeah lmao
I didnt get the axe till the 14th week or something Ik it was the week right after we finally killed Fyrakk
reef glade
aside from that big copout/misdirect i dont think most people care that some other class has a legendary
other than the classes themselves that have it
cuz if you dont have it you just feel like a fucking idiot
either deterministic guild wide legendaries or way faster blp on "welfare" legendaries
is necessary
minor gust
yeah I really wish next time they do a legendary dont tune classes around it let them have fun that season...
reef glade
like the first may incite some drama sure but at least you can try to handle that civilly
like if youre the best of that class in your raid unequivocally it just goes to you first
ideally doesnt take like 5 weeks per person to farm
maybe like 2 or 3 max
spring vale
yeah I really wish next time they do a legendary dont tune classes around it let...
This is what struck me as odd last time
minor gust
I wouldnt mind it since I like my guild and they like me but Ik so many people would be bitching if they made a lego like shadowmourne or Atiesh
spring vale
DKs, Paladins and Warriors with the Axe werent OP, they were just doing the damage Blizzard intended them to do
stable fiber
all 3 classes where like top tier though
minor gust
yeah If I remember right all 3 lego classes were on the lower half
minor gust
lemme check cuz my memory sucks dick
reef glade
unlike s2
stable fiber
pretty certain both warrior specs where good, unholy was good and ret was good
silk spade
wonder what this xpacs legendary is gonna be
spriest surely
minor gust
yeah fury was good for most of season 3
stable fiber
unholy might not have been good actually
reef glade
but priest in general maybe
been a while for them no
like dragonwrath maybe
caster specific leggo
xalatath theme shit
stable fiber
dragonwrath is like 20% damage increase
spring vale
unholy never allowed to pop off because its insane when you can pull like 30 mobs which means it has to be ass at anything below that
silk spade
xalatath expansion surely they give them leggo
silk spade
unholy never allowed to pop off because its insane when you can pull like 30 mob...
no longer the case this coming season
low cleave is good
spring vale
finally
minor gust
ok yeah so once most ppl got the lego they were good
the graphs are funny to see that 10.2.5
10.2
reef glade
presumably some amount of class tuning too changed rankings of people
idk if we had any big ones then
reef glade
i think this is like the most ive been not excited the week before a tier
in terms of preparing for next
but i think next week gonna be real fun in keys
if warrior isnt hit with a 20% nerf by the time that happens
like actually who is farming renown for 6 ilvl higher gear on 3 slots
thats getting replaced in the first global after patch launches
minor gust
yeah theres nothing to do but laps around the hotel
spring vale
I got the renown required for the boots just off of doing achievements in undermine so it wasnt tooo too bad
minor gust
excited for the raid and keys tho
reef glade
surely my guild will week 1 aotc
havent for a while
not since sark i think
cuz that fight was a joke
but idk how gallywix gonna be
could always donate my body to liquid splits tho and get vault if necessary
did that for fyrakk week 1 and got an augury out of it week 2 i believe
that was fucking nasty
minor gust
We usually have to put in some overtime for week 1 aotc
raid like 1 extra day to guarantee it
minor gust
lmao
reef glade
but it was like 10% of my dmg in anything
minor gust
I have a feeling its gonna be easier this tier
minor gust
even if they arent purposly making it easier than last tier it 100% will be easier just because of the new swirlies
minor gust
rigid ravine
Ik keys are nerfed but it's feels so good doing giga dam rn
reef glade
yeap
keys still gonna be on avg easier next week
than start of this patch
combined with us doing real damage
and yknow raid gear and not fuckin delve gear or whatever
but should be waaay easier to fill a vault with 10s
tacit crystal
could always donate my body to liquid splits tho and get vault if necessary
is that the move?
reef glade
if they do it sure
reef glade
unlikely pugs are gonna be killing it unless its rly easy
and if its that easy then the guild will kill it
but liquid didnt do ansurek splits for whatever reason
tacit crystal
surely btc can do it!
reef glade
cluegi
tacit crystal
i believe in btc
void bay
Mythic is open day 1 this time right?
reef glade
yea
void bay
Neat. This will be more interesting.
reef glade
yea
i think generally its more fun like that
no watching rwf do splits for 10 fuckin days
itd be better if this current preweek was just the heroic week
but that'd prolly be like a 16 hour maintenence
void bay
no watching rwf do splits for 10 fuckin days
Aye this was terrible and boring
wooden lava
pre-mythic splits kill my hype so much
seeing the warriors on prot duty
and even then, the guilds one-shot the first few bosses
Ok I have an opener related question
maxroll guide says
wowhead guide says ****
sending MS before BS, worth or no?
reef glade
i mean its prolly just better to put it on cd
+1 ms and let its cd recharge during bladestorm
why not
not like you have to giga rush to bs instantly
wooden lava
Actually, I do CS before avatar
because i want to get full value out of the mini Reck
in raid when u pull on lust
you can get the full BS cast + 3 GCDs that are affected by Reck
which is usually 2x MS and one SD Execute if it procs
CS > (Avatar+MS > BS > SD Exe > MS)
everything in the parentheses is coverd by Reck
reef glade
yea i mean prolly fine
idk exactly which globals are avail when and stuff can change based on haste
but if you can fit another ms in there its prolly better than cs's instant damage
isnt the reck like 8 seconds long tho i would think u can fit more than 3 globals outside of bs
but havent rly paid attention to st arms yet so maybe not
bs only like 3ish seconds no
or is it like 4
wooden lava
reck is 6
the opener i posted above actually gets cut short one gcd when u dont have lust
so depending on whether u get an SD proc
ur last Reck affected ability will vary between MS and Ex
reef glade
ya i mean not apl writing nerd guy but either of those under reck sound better than cs under reck
doubt you have any rage problems you probably come out of bs with ragecap
wooden lava
I thought so too
definitely not if you send the MS beforehand
one benefit I've noticed about sending MS before BS is that u can sometimes sneak an extra stack of Marked for Ex
So when u come out of BS, you have all 3 stacks
tacit crystal
idk i think not giving cs reck is grief
wooden lava
not just reck, but also avatar
so ur missing the extra 20% dmg
but the way I look at it, MS does more damage than CS
and has deeper interaction with your kit as a whole
tacit crystal
yeah but thats wrong
reef glade
i mean if rage is no concern cuz you cap during bs then its just comparing 20% crit chance on a button's damage
and ms/exe do more damage than cs
so you just do that no
wooden lava
25% crit chance on mini reck
tacit crystal
i dont think 1 gcd of reck and avatar is the difference
wooden lava
I have ~30% crit
tacit crystal
because most of your reck is spent inside bs
reef glade
its not like a r1 parsing change
but its just if youre cognizant to do it its not "bad" to do it
most just are unlikely to care
wooden lava
I think during lust and opener, you get to have 3 GCDs aside from bladestorm be affected by Reck
instead of 1 being taken up by CS, i'm arguing for 2x MS and potentially Execute
reef glade
its just the changing ava > cs > ms > bs to cs > ava > ms > bs
or i dont remember how arms torment works
snow vigil
Does anyone have a good colossal might tracker?
reef glade
doesnt cs also give reck
tacit crystal
they shot that talent
wooden lava
no
reef glade
o ava is just 6sec flat reck
minor gust
A perfect opener wont contribute a lot to your overall dmg in the fight at the end of the day dont over think just be hitting your buttons
tacit crystal
smth like that
minor gust
not even
tacit crystal
Xdd