fury

[covert blaze]

0 chance you are not on a list

[dapper goblet]

weebs out

[sullen dove]

tf

ice spicers out

madox for yellow

[dapper goblet]

ice has melted

should probably change

[surreal token]

https://www.twitch.tv/gromnak/clip/HedonisticBelovedRavenPeteZaroll-47M96U7k10lmXzI7

[sullen dove]

water spice

[covert blaze]

hey it's my discord pronouns

[surreal token]

what you pushing bud

[dapper goblet]

old grom feelsbad

no hat

PIT hat no where to be seen

[sullen dove]

didnt undertake the training program yet

[surreal token]

u guys stressed him to the point his hairline started receding

Florida man loses hair to internet bullying

[tight magnet]

now wich one is better in raid fury or arms after this nerf?

[plush flower]

both will have their place depending on the boss

both are good

[true sequoia]

With the buff to bm hunter will that put them ahead of warriors now in dps?

[slim coral]

I don't believe so no

[fading sky]

Fury top st dps for warrior?

[radiant plank]

by like 10k

so basically equal

[slim coral]

What walhe meant to say was

Basically yes

[fading sky]

Ok, but furys loss in aoe spec vs arms?

[obsidian yarrow]

Do we want to priority execute with 2 stacks of sudden death still?

[slim coral]

they fill different roles

if you just mean overall at the end of the key arms because it can do more in bigger pulls

fury has more prio damage

[fading sky]

Id still bet prio dmg wins. But, i guess it also depends on what other specs are strong

[slim coral]

if you have 2 stacks of sudden death yes you want to spend a stack

[calm swallow]

We running AM for thane?

[slim coral]

yes

[inland flame]

So uhhh they never said anything else about how dinar for this patch huh

[devout totem]

dinar for 11.1.5

[inland flame]

Did they actually say that somewhere?

[devout totem]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/naguura-interview-with-ion-hazzikostas-and-maria-hamilton-dinars-moved-to-11-1-5-374656

[slim coral]

they drop with visions

so it'll probably be an award from doing visions

[last nacelle]

Hi !, with the new patch, we continue to play powerfull enrage instead of frienzed enrage ? 😦

(have a big difference in terme of dps between powerfull and frienzed ?)

[clever belfry]

"she is god"

[slim coral]

yes

[pearl sequoia]

good to know fury is better than arms until you get 4pc

[fervent yoke]

So according to sims we want to go fury on ST encounters now, except still arms if it’s an execute phase fight? But only till 4pc then back to arms fully?

[devout totem]

sentence is too complicated

play whatver u like most

[pearl sequoia]

if u live by sims i suppose so

but some fights are just gonna be arms anyway

[fervent yoke]

Ye I mush brained that sentence haha I need sleep

[pearl sequoia]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14Us4SYeq2fr3sG-iv1ADOORaO5NZqXFhQdt7UJzpfro/htmlview

you can click the numbers to see tier set numbers

[fervent yoke]

Ty good sir

[stiff barn]

This post or prio to nerf?

[pearl sequoia]

think prio

[stiff barn]

Alright, thanks

[thick fossil]

That did not age well.

[iron portal]

tbh, many things from Gromnak dont age well

[thick fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/its-science-anchorman-ron-burgandy-science-gif-10329069

[true sequoia]

What has the easier rotation on arms or fury? I'm really not enjoying the arms rotation atm

[eternal sundial]

try fury then its still just warr ior

[south kayak]

buff fury 4p

[remote bobcat]

fury ST is easier

arms has a lot more conditionals

although the arms rotation is just as easy

cooldown and conditional management is a little more difficult on arms than fury

[radiant plank]

arms has alot more conditionals?

[molten night]

kronzo, would Ra fury be used in keys too or just AM?

[radiant plank]

kek

[molten night]

kinda liking it on ST dummy.

[remote bobcat]

am

[molten night]

kk

[remote bobcat]

ok "a lot more" is a bit extreme wording i admit

[molten night]

do we take unbridled ferocity?

for RA

or if it works at all xD

[remote bobcat]

im not sure. i havent looked at fury in a few days

or rather

I looked at it before the recent changes

[molten night]

kk

[remote bobcat]

so it might as well be different from what i remember

[radiant plank]

Fury apl has more conditionals than arms

[molten night]

does it really?

[restive peak]

Yes lol

[radiant plank]

Like alot more

[restive peak]

The arms slayer rotation is literally 3-4 buttons

And like sometimes it’s just MS>OP back and forth

For several GCDs in a row

[radiant plank]

fury ST

arms st

[slim coral]

why do I see odens fury

[remote bobcat]

??

[pearl sequoia]

secret tech

[slim coral]

also onslaught

is in there

what is this cooked apl

[remote bobcat]

clueless~1

[radiant plank]

its for players

who talent into those

so they get to see

how DOGSHIT

[slim coral]

we have those?

[radiant plank]

of is

[slim coral]

[molten night]

lol

[south kayak]

office

[remote bobcat]

yea i mean you cant argue fury has more apl conditions when the conditions are including dogshit specs

like you can ig

but

[radiant plank]

no but

[remote bobcat]

thats not the point of the discussion

[radiant plank]

look at all the

BT and execute

and rampage

conditionals

You have 6 different things just for when to consume your SD

[remote bobcat]

legit fury plays itself if you just track the relevant buffs and then remember that VC hits at 35%

[radiant plank]

or when to rampage

[fickle bluff]

fundemental failure if it only works for a single set of talents

[high basin]

weird way to spell arms

[floral oak]

Any assistance? Don't want to shoot my self in the foot spending a big junk of valorstone 😅

The 2-hander is highest sim but require a big investment and might get swapped quicker than I would have liked for the amount of spending. Thoughts about Valorstone early etc?

[remote bobcat]

do what the robot says.

[radiant plank]

I would only upgrade the trinket

Weapon will be replaced relatively fast

but trinket will be good for a decent chunk

Since we dont have great chase trinkets in keys

*if the trinket sims as an upgrade for you

[floral oak]

Trinket & Cloak sims as a 1.3% upgrade, 2-hander with season 1 trinkets sims too 2.5% upgrade

[halcyon python]

Gentlemans, is it correct that when playing fury thane you basically never whirlwind at the same buff is applied by TB?

[hardy bluff]

yes

[halcyon python]

Not playing fury since forever

[remote bobcat]

Let's look at it from this perspective:
Carved crests upgrade until i believe 645. These items go up to 645. If you upgrade them, you won't need the crests again.
You may argue that valorstones end up being something you want to cap out for next ID. Well you can easily farm them right now by e.g. running dungeons.
You can upgrade all of those items and then cap out your valorstones and you won't really feel bad about it. Yes you will replace these items quickly. No it doesn't really matter. If you want quick upgrades, go ahead.

[halcyon python]

Just wanted to make sure i understand that correctly

[remote bobcat]

You can also buy the feet rn from renown 7

so you can have a total of 3x 645 items

[hardy bluff]

#showtooltip
/cast [known:436707] Thunder Clap
/cast [known:280392] Whirlwind
/cast Slam

[halcyon python]

And this is?

[hardy bluff]

a macro so you can use the same bind for slam ww and tc

since you will only press one

[remote bobcat]

you only ever want to whirlwind as thane in the ultra giga piss rare scenario that you have TC, BT and RB all on CD while not having enough rage to rampage because no procs and getting parried or some shit

[halcyon python]

Okok so very unluckily

[hardy bluff]

i dont have it bound on thane

[halcyon python]

And will cast tc (or tb) if on cd ww or eventually slam?

[remote bobcat]

is the whirlwind known condition improved whirlwind talent?

[hardy bluff]

i assume so

i didnt make this

[fickle bluff]

🤓 actually its not ST its all of slayer

[strong sage]

I'm still trying to figure out bloodthirst priority this time around, as is the case with most new patches 😂

[hardy bluff]

if target is below 35% or 3 stacks of bloodcraze or nothing else to press

[restive peak]

I absolutely have WW still bound on thane, it happens that you need it, it’s rare

We don’t have that many keybinds lol

[radiant plank]

or if bt crit chance is >85%

[radiant plank]

susge

you need to clap every 4th

[next ruin]

I just accept my fate in those cases, keep me humble

[radiant plank]

and clap is 4s cd

[fickle bluff]

demonic

[strong sage]

I see I see, no reason to wait till 5 stacks?

More damage output churning out BT with 3 stacks?

[restive peak]

Sometimes you running out of a mechanic and you just clap clapped and you can’t hit anything else

https://tenor.com/view/its-free-real-sate-gif-7215175

Also WW spam while standing in a city or before a boss pull lets people know you’re locked tf in

[next ruin]

Sometimes happen in ST also

[restive peak]

Free damage is best damage

[halcyon python]

Ill definitely bind it

[halcyon python]

Mostly for this purpose

But good to know is not rotational

At least with thane

[remote bobcat]

especially as thane

[marble schooner]

wouldnt you also want to WW if you have TB but arent enraged and are close to 80 rage?

so you WW > Rampage > TB

I dont bind WW tho thats some schizo shit

[remote bobcat]

i wonder if its not just better to send tb anyway with current RB and BT numbers

[south kayak]

they should buff TB again

until you ignore everything around you to press it

[restive peak]

Yes this is the other reason I use it

[south kayak]

too cursed

i just wanna press tc

[earnest canyon]

why do we take AM over RA for aoe when I simmed them both and RA is 200k more dps

is it the new ilevel/tier set?

[hardy shuttle]

Probably depends on foght length. AM is all about getting basically twice the casts off per every 1 of RA CDs

[earnest canyon]

hmm i just did dungeon slice with defaults....i actually prefer RA, so was surprised it was the other way around

@edgy widget sorry for the ping, just wondered if you can explain....as im probably missing something

on thane btw

[hardy shuttle]

Slice also isn't a great thing to use

[earnest canyon]

i figured it might be that

on my hunter we used to use full dungeon run sims

as dungeon slice wasnt very good

[eternal sundial]

RA doesnt suffer from downtime as much as AM does

do with that info what u will

[hardy shuttle]

It's usually a safe bet to just go off st sims in aoe build since we just cleave our st anyways. But you can vary the number of bosses and do like 1:30 fight time

[earnest canyon]

I guess my actual question is "what sim/settings did the theorycrafter(s) use to put out the recommended talents they did, and what is the difference"

if its a few percent ill just go RA

its AM even for thane

[remote bobcat]

aoe sims, dungeon slice sims and lots of ptr testing I assume

[hardy shuttle]

Just play what you like more until you hit high keys, by then you can just copy people's builds off raider io

[radiant plank]

0 dslice sims

[remote bobcat]

fair enough

[earnest canyon]

I will unless another talent is broken even for casual stuff....im just curious more than anything

i wont be doing high keys

[remote bobcat]

RA is better with slow groups

logically

[earnest canyon]

i just go aotc as a min, a few mythic bosses (im 6/8 on hunter months and months after the top 1000 guilds cleared), and maybe 10-12 keys

[gloomy loom]

any way to farm cartel rep? im stuck at 6 and miss one level to pick the boots

[remote bobcat]

bountiful delve you get rep 1 time

check your weeklies, you might have an undermine weekly left

(it doesnt show on the minimap)

[gloomy loom]

must be a 8+ delve? btw i did all the weekly so idk what i miss 😮

[earnest canyon]

rep is shared across all chars again right?

yeah it is

[remote bobcat]

nope, can be delve level 1

[earnest canyon]

just play alts no? and do dailies/blue quests?

[remote bobcat]

it wont give renown on alts

[earnest canyon]

hmmm

never really looked at it....i just do them on main then do on alts to get gear

[remote bobcat]

idk this is my renown rn

renown 7 1k40

[earnest canyon]

im barely on 5 lol

[remote bobcat]

skill issue

clueless~1

[earnest canyon]

not only do I have a skill issue at dps, but also at farming rep

[warm crag]

this definitely matters and wont be irrelevant the first keystone you complete next reset

[earnest canyon]

[gloomy loom]

ok i had renown 7 too 😛

[remote bobcat]

ofc its irrelevant, but people enjoy getting the pieces

[gloomy loom]

honor is gonna get resetted next week?

[cursive sierra]

ye

[dense elbow]

It shouldn't reset, if it works as it always has done 👍

If it does this time, my alt honor bank gonna feel sadge

[cursive sierra]

mb

[glass kelp]

hey guys, I unlearned Storm Bolt since personally i dont use it a lot and picked Seismic Reverbation. is it a good one?

[oblique trail]

It's good if you play Thane yes

Since it works with Thunder Clap/Blast

As Slayer though it basically does nothing

[dense elbow]

Take storm bolt, or and use it when you bladestorm if Slayer. At least pretend to use it for the great stun it is

[clever belfry]

me when

0.03

[dense elbow]

Is it that much, dang, time to make a wa to scream bolt bolt ⚡ ⚡ during BS
Big dam

O.o3 is close to the same value as heroic throw grants. Big value.
Add all that minmax together and you get at least o.1 DPS

Big

[sour frigate]

worth tryharding

[indigo arch]

They need to just go back to it doing 3838284% more damage to stun immune targets

[dense elbow]

Other way around, it does 100000000000000% more dam wehen you are stun immune

[indigo arch]

True, have to make sure it does nothing

Rallying cry nerf when blizz, 10% health is oppressive

[dense elbow]

Rogue stuns you while it midair? Skill expression tight there

[indigo arch]

Storm bolt needs a nerf too, it shouldn't fly at all, targets should have to walk into the animation

[glass kelp]

can i macro it with bladestorm ? 🙄

[stark lantern]

For fury thane, while Avatar, Recklessness, Ravager and roar should be on CD is there a reason why execute is low on the priority list compared to slayer?

[oblique trail]

Please do not do this

You will absolutely grief your groups if you always stormbolt whenever you BS

Just use stormbolt like a human being when you actually have to stun, and don't bother with the mid-BS stormbolt

[young swan]

execute still doesnt do damage unless if its being buffed by marked for execution

[stark lantern]

so basically keep the standard rotation of bloodthirst, rampage, raging blow, thunderclap and maintain 4 stacks of cleave via thunderclap or whirlwind and only use execute if somehow all those are all CD?

[young swan]

yeah pretty much

[stark lantern]

mm okay ty! 😄 Still getting outdps by ret and enhance shammy so im curious if im doing something wrong with my rotation since ive been trying thane in +12-13

[radiant plank]

in 12 keys the ret and enha one shots the pack

before your damage kicks in

now

[stark lantern]

makes sense, even before the key / m+ nerfs / buffs ret and enhance would always outdps me, though on a training cleave dummy, I see my dps much higher than Slayer as Thane so ive been tinkering around with keybinds to make it comfortable to me

[young swan]

in 12 keys fury one shots the pack

scaling is all fucky

[radiant plank]

havnt played a single key

[young swan]

nothing lives much past 20s

[radiant plank]

[stark lantern]

yeah scaling has been definitely wonky. feels like 10's are like 7-8 and 12's is like a 10 or so

so basically -2 / 3 of current key lvl

[devout totem]

everyone took mega buffs so yeah, everything S1 feels easier

[young swan]

megabuffs aside

[stark lantern]

yeah definitely

[young swan]

shit just doesnt have hp

like they literally have less hp

[hardy bluff]

the guile affix is gone

[devout totem]

we +3 a Necrotic 12 without realizing it

[hardy bluff]

change should only be in 12s and up

[young swan]

i ran 5 warrior comp 2 nights ago and we +3 a 14

[stark lantern]

was excited for s2, but after switchin to thane now and trying to get used to keybindings im even more excited

[hardy bluff]

this used to give hp and dam

[young swan]

my bad, was a little off, +3 a 13 and we had 1 dk

[quiet breach]

so is thane gonna be stronk next season

[devout totem]

for m+ yes

it was already ahead of slayer late S1 in high keys

[young swan]

thane was ahead of slayer in like week 6 or something

just took people a while to catch on

[radiant plank]

Xan

why did they buff UHdk

even more

come watch this with me

[young swan]

no idea

[radiant plank]

https://www.douyu.com/2805008?dyshid=0-646473c28995bc34031d5bdb00021701&dyshci=5

[young swan]

oh wow

[hardy bluff]

bug abusers...

[radiant plank]

Thre is some big things happening in the Chinese community

[earnest canyon]

What is that?

[radiant plank]

they are comparing divine hammer to breath of sindragosa

[earnest canyon]

lmao i love the translation

[earnest canyon]

🤣

[hardy bluff]

Lol

[south kayak]

what kind of language is that

[earnest canyon]

moonkin?

[sage quiver]

[south kayak]

Chinese English

[radiant plank]

its chinese translated thru google translate

[south kayak]

lmfao

what is big brother

[earnest canyon]

top dps? idk

[sour frigate]

the

[devout totem]

im more intrigued about the panacea

[summer crater]

The name

[kindred notch]

fury better than arms?

[quiet breach]

so, its always worse to cast bloodthirst than it is to cast raging blow if you have below 5 SS stacks?

if u dont have vicious contempt

[mellow bloom]

rerolling Cuckoo

[flat river]

did someone say my name?

[south kayak]

I wonder what warrior is

[mellow bloom]

angry brown man

[steep lynx]

any keys u run this week dont count towards io right

[steep lynx]

cause i noticed keys were fucking brain dead just did one to get my key next week (not sure ifi even had to do it or not )

[mellow bloom]

who is the milk monk

critcake = milk monk

[south kayak]

is that colossus lmfao

[earnest canyon]

where are you getting the source to translate all this from? 🤣

I love the translations for boss fights

[south kayak]

this how walhe knows what's good

[earnest canyon]

im sure the chinese think we are all idiots, but stuff like this always made me chuckle:
kelthuzad 基爾紮紮德 ICE WIZZARD 冰精灵 circles on ground dangerous 危險地上的圓圈 friends turn enemy 朋友是敵人monster undead appear 怪物不死族出現 wise men apply chains 智者應用鎖鏈

[south kayak]

what is wise men apply chains lol

[earnest canyon]

chains of kel'thuzad

"Chains of Kel'Thuzad is a nasty Mind Control ability, targeting the Main Tank and 4 other random players in the raid. When the Main Tank is Mind Controlled, they will lose all threat and have to start back from 0, meaning a secondary Off Tank has to take over Main Tank duty. Mages and Warlocks in the raid should be prepared to crowd control everyone impacted by the Mind Control, to avoid MC'd players roaming around and killing the raid. If a Healer is Mind Controlled, they can actually place buffs and heal Kel'Thuzad. Make sure someone in the raid dispels these buffs if that happens! Chains of Kel'Thuzad is cast every 60 seconds."

[south kayak]

is this classic KT?

[earnest canyon]

yes ofc

thats where the chinese memes are the best

[south kayak]

thought maybe it was SL one lol

[earnest canyon]

noone cares about SL

[south kayak]

true

[earnest canyon]

the mechanics are so easy in classic, you would be doing the boss and people in general just spam stuff

[small dome]

I see the guild likes thane for m+, is slayer far behind?

guide*

[south kayak]

yeah true

even tho naxx was easy

I thought KT was a step up from most classic bosses

[earnest canyon]

naxx was not easy in vanilla

[south kayak]

yeah because most people were bad

[earnest canyon]

4 horseman was crazy hard because noone had seen mechanics like that

it wasnt even about player skill, it was thinking

so overtime people have got way better mechanically, but also thinking logically

[fickle cedar]

the chinese copy pastas from wotlk classic were pretty good

[static rock]

I think the first time wow brings news mechanics people are really bad initially, like imagine the first time vehicles were added

[sour frigate]

depends on key level the higher the key the more slayer sucks

[earnest canyon]

I can ive played wow since vanilla beta

im terrible compared to some teenager that played for a few weeks though these days

the first boss of ulduar was the first we had a raid with vehicles iirc

[restive granite]

think the dragons from the malygos raid count as vehicles too dont they?

[earnest canyon]

the discs?

not the same, as you still use your own abilities

[restive granite]

werent they dragons with their own abilities?

think the disks were from the dungeon

[earnest canyon]

oh which was the disc boss

no it was a raid

but its been 20+ years of bosses and i cant remember yesterday

[dense elbow]

You could put it in a sequence macro,
/castsequence bladestorm, stormbolt, reset=5
Still two clicks, but it is 1 macro

[molten night]

i got a 13 done, and this happened xD

NW

i ❤️ this community

[earnest canyon]

wow is serious business

highly competitive game

[molten night]

must be

[iron portal]

Wasnt it in cata

[earnest canyon]

cant remember as I said

[iron portal]

Me neither tbh

[earnest canyon]

from cata i remember the black blood on the last boss

[iron portal]

20+ years of wow fried my brian

[earnest canyon]

you stacked mages til you got gear to burst them

[quiet breach]

do you always need to be enraged before casting whirlwind?

[modest condor]

no

[silk wharf]

Would you ideally want to be enraged when you whirlwind? Of course. But WW does so little damage it isn't concerning. It would be far more damage lost to not cleave the attacks you are using to get enraged.

[quiet breach]

So i should only view whirlwind as a cleave activator and not a damaging spell

[silk wharf]

That works.

[quiet breach]

how do u get bloodcraze stacks?

[blissful yarrow]

when you press RB

[quiet breach]

so i should ocasionally cast bloodthirst in between the raging blows to use the bloodcraze stacks?

[blissful yarrow]

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/guide/classes/warrior/fury/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps#rotation-multitarget-talents
yeah, its higher than RB if you have 3+ stacks

[remote bobcat]

track the buff with a weakaura, then you know when to bt

[blissful yarrow]

I've tried searching but haven't found an answer
The Multitarget Talent Opener on wowhead sends Rampage right after Bladestorm (BS), but in the prios it's recommended to stack up Slaughtering Strikes with Raging Blows (RB) due to the buffed Rampage after BS from Brutal Finish. The Sim seems to send a couple of RBs after a BS to juice up the Rampage as well. Did I miss something and is the opener still correct?

[acoustic seal]

this user's name 😭

[tepid cedar]

The sim is also pre casting Ava and reck

Which changes things a bit

[radiant plank]

are u comparing st opener to mt opener?

[whole yacht]

Lmao. That's beautiful

[blissful yarrow]

Maybe i'm reading the new prios wrong, but they seems to prefer sending RBs after BS in AoE and ST.

[thick fossil]

There was a lot of the black blood/old god silliness in Cataclysm. Dragonsoul particular.

Only disk boss I can think of in Cata was the Shaman.

Hagara

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDlpZPT92mQ

[south kayak]

I was wondering who this was then I sawe the name lmfao

[static rock]

Are the new talent builds with the new tier set in mind, or is this an in between seasons build?

[south kayak]

You probably don't know this but did the DS 4p CS extend your normal CS? @thick fossil

[dense elbow]

Tierset doesnt change anything, but giving us another "if YXZ press BT vs RB" that we likely just going to ignore in the name of sanity

[thick fossil]

Man... trying to remember.

My boomer brain!

[south kayak]

Honestly the 4p from DS seems bad

since you already had a pretty decent uptime of CS from it's resets

and the 4p chance to proc it is pretty low

[dense elbow]

Only cryllics groups invite warrior, this is known

[south kayak]

so true

[molten night]

LOL yea

[blissful yarrow]

I could have worded my question a bit better. Yeah I did compare the openers to the prio list and what the sims did (patchwerk 5 bosses; dungeon slice; latest simc version). The 2 sims didn't send a Rampage right after BS. I still can't figure out why the multi target opener is different in that regard (sending Rampage right after BS).
What did you mean by sending Reck/Ava a bit later changing things a bit?

[south kayak]

Did you enjoy Cata Arms btw?

[dapper goblet]

you dont really have good cs uptime in cata

because its rng

sometimes you go a full cs cd without it procing

4 pc is good though because its just more uptime

[ionic bone]

Why even comment about 2p and 4p, we only get 3% from set, might as well take higher ilvl gear and ignore set altogether, blizz tuning at its finest, can't even fix our target cap, they forgot that m+ exists in the game and only tune towards raiding

[south kayak]

I see, does it extend it tho?

[dapper goblet]

think it just refreshes

[south kayak]

ok

ty

[hardy bluff]

thanks for the input

[ionic bone]

It's so annoying man

[hardy bluff]

warrior is good rn wtf are you crying about

[true sequoia]

I've ditched my lock and bm hunter mains to re roll a warrior this season, I love them, fury ftw

[ionic bone]

Yea, really good In raid, dog in m+

[hardy bluff]

have you played 1 singular arms key?

[ionic bone]

Even pugs pull big nowadays

[old hedge]

how are arms and fury looking compared to eachother?

[hardy bluff]

both look good

[true sequoia]

My only gripe with arms is the rotation, feels discombobulated 😅

[hardy bluff]

yea it does

but you get used to it

[ionic bone]

Arms uncapped insane aoe, fury slightly better st

[oblique trail]

You know you're commenting on a convo that was about Cataclysm, not live, right

[sullen nexus]

Yeah, once you get the swing of it it feels great on a big pull

[true sequoia]

I've been trying, there just doesn't seem to be any predicatable flow to it, like I'm just like oh shit press that! 😂 maybe I'm just doing it wrong. Fury feels like a better flow

[old hedge]

so is arms expecting to outperform fury in mythic plus this patch then?

[ionic bone]

I didn't know actually, but my point stands

[old hedge]

arms last patch did feel very whack a mole

[oblique trail]

I'm personally really not too concerned on how much of a gain or loss a set is, but the fact that it's yet another generic "do more damage" set

[south kayak]

Yeah it does suck that fury's tier sets are shit

[oblique trail]

And not a set that actively changes your rotation at all going from 0p to 4p

[ionic bone]

The thing that I hate about arms is that they've got 5 amplifiers towards Cleave and yet it's nearly impossible to allign them without holding cds or using them at the wrong time

[south kayak]

2 tier sets in a row

doing sub 3% dps

crazy

[oblique trail]

For all that I care, the set can be a 4% gain at best, but at least make the rotation either feel very different or just better

[ionic bone]

Both specs need changes imo

[true sequoia]

Coming from destro lock and bm hunter the rotation curve has been strange for me to learn 😂

[south kayak]

Didn't I see you in eha channel lol

enha

[pale geyser]

is AM still the play on bosses with forced downtime(ric reverb, trash ball boss, sprocketmonger)

[ionic bone]

Yea mate I play nearly all melees

[restive peak]

Agreed on this. Feels very bland

Our tier sets that influenced rotational decisions and rewarded those are BIS

[eager thorn]

are we playing new am or ra for nerubar (my guild is doing 1 more clear)

[oblique trail]

You can play AM for basically all bosses

[eager thorn]

sweet ty

[south kayak]

we need a tier set with even more conditionals

[eager thorn]

my only other retail season was s2 dflight but i kinda liked the tier since you'd play differently with tier

[oblique trail]

You really didn't play differently with the S2 set

All it did was you'd press BT at max stacks, that's it

[south kayak]

you played differently with the s3 one

[eager thorn]

ah

[oblique trail]

But outside of that, the rotation stayed the same

[stark lantern]

I believe Luxethos (spelling?) Default warrior WA tracks Bloodthirst %? For crit strike chance

[queen lagoon]

coming back after a break from 11, is MT going to be viable for raid ST?

[thick fossil]

Very much so. Was my fav version of it

[remote bobcat]

using pre-made weakauras often leads to someone not understanding what they should press at which time

i recommend making your own weakaura pack/ui

[fast mural]

make the tier buff BT by 30%

[stark lantern]

agreed, while it is useful for keeping track of rage, CD's WW stacks, etc I can definitely see it becoming confusing to someone

like I had to go on a training dummy to see which buff / WA displayed is the one that tracks BT % lol

[dense elbow]

I thought S1 was over

[remote bobcat]

no enraged regen?

[dense elbow]

No meld either

[remote bobcat]

zz

[dense elbow]

This says enough about the actual situation

[remote bobcat]

this is skill issue honestly

if melee dont stack on tank

[sinful spoke]

@hard widget washed

[dense elbow]

Oh he had room, dont worry

[remote bobcat]

oh but you didnt? as a melee?

clueless~1

[dense elbow]

@hard widget Stop you making us look bad

[remote bobcat]

gutshot is prevented by anyone being in melee, not just the tank

[south kayak]

Nice, I heard good things bbout it, im playing on cata rn

it's nice

MoP even better tho

in terms of playstyle

[dense elbow]

Sadgers, true and real, I should've stuck closer

[glass kelp]

do i use Thunder Clap on single target as well in m+ ?

[wraith wharf]

if you get have a thunder blast proc, yes.
Thunder clap no* unless filler and you have nothing else

[stark lantern]

have +12 / +13 in current season 1 been nerfed or we just got "buffed" and assuming we have similar ilvl for s2, +12 and 13 should be relatively easy?

[wraith wharf]

i think the M+ got nerfed, did some 10s with my group to test out the talent changes and stuff.. we had 19 minutes left when we got to the last boss

[stark lantern]

yeah since I remember people were struggling on 11's, but I ran some 11's and 12's and a 13 to practice my keys in current s1 m+ and everything kinda just melts...

feels like +10 is a 7-8 and 11-12 is like a 9-10

or basically key level minus 2 lol

[glass kelp]

can i use Thunder Clap instead on Whirlwind ?

[stark lantern]

I believe so, since it gives you 4 stacks of cleave

albeit I do still have ww on my bar incase for some reason everything is on CD

[wraith wharf]

assuming mountain thane, thats the point

[stark lantern]

but for the most part I use TC to get my 4 stacks of cleave

[wraith wharf]

if slayer no

[glass kelp]

yup, for thane.. its my first time, been playing slayer all along

[stark lantern]

same here, just transitioned from slayer to thane as well - still getting used to it but it's a ton of fun in keys rn

[sour frigate]

Becuz it deals more damage

[compact knot]

hes lowkey not wrong tho

lmfao

u need like 2 410 heroic tier pieces for it to be better than the 391 tier pieces

[oblique trail]

Right

He's still talking about retail numbers

[smoky vale]

hi banezi

[oblique trail]

Hello

[compact knot]

gulp

[hard widget]

Photoshopped

[true sequoia]

What's the better talent for raids?

[junior gale]

https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1237303208754286715

[mint obsidian]

guys fury lookin good for this patch?

[static loom]

Very

[mint obsidian]

really?

[arctic pivot]

no

only or raid

[hollow elk]

every time i see the updates channel not grayed out i get scared for abit

[mint obsidian]

whyy?

[hardy bluff]

its good

if you really care about m+ arms is probably better rn

[mint obsidian]

cant decide on warr, paala or dk

[cedar tusk]

So if i prefer to play raids As fury, i can just do so right?

[hollow lintel]

warr for life

[cedar tusk]

i prefer the fury playstyle namely

[eternal sundial]

Zug

[junior gale]

Are you in the RWF?

[cedar tusk]

lol nope

[junior gale]

Then your good

[mint obsidian]

zug?

[cedar tusk]

i know then it doesn't matter, but otherwise, is arms very far ahead?

[arctic pivot]

anything below 12 u an play wt r u want

[junior gale]

Arms and fury are equal rn

[cedar tusk]

Thank you

[mint obsidian]

which feels more satisfying ?

arms or fury?

[eternal sundial]

Try it?

[sour frigate]

Frost dk

[cedar tusk]

that's for everyone different @mint obsidian for me it's Fury which is 100% personal preference, not a fact.

[eternal sundial]

You have to try it and correctly conclude arm

[mint obsidian]

whaattt rly?

[mint obsidian]

yeah i feel ya, i feel fury gets a bit annoying with WW spam for AoE

[sour frigate]

yeah rider heroic talents rock hard

[cedar tusk]

Not sure if it's still the same in last few patches, but i only do it when needed to activate the buff, i dont spam it :/ (Unless that changed now)

[dense elbow]

AM Slayer with OF and AJ/Massacre is BiS feelwise

[sour frigate]

WW spam for aoe was in shadowlands

Now u press it once 4 gcds or we

[cedar tusk]

yeah ok, that's still the same now right with undermind changes?

[dense elbow]

basically every 5th in AoE yarps

[cedar tusk]

Pfew, i didn't like the shadowlands ww spam :/

[dense elbow]

Same, same

[cedar tusk]

if i want the smash head on 1-3 buttons i'd play Arcane mage

[eternal sundial]

Finally someone that gets it right

Arcane is not phd

[dense elbow]

Arcane is PhD minimum, have you seen their UIs?

[cedar tusk]

plenty of peeps still say it's CoMpLiCaTeD and i'm like, plz, go cry to your nearest manager.

[dense elbow]

So many purple thingiebobbies going bling blong dong

[junior gale]

Arcane is for paste eaters now

[dense elbow]

They got so many lights and flashes

no way that is ez

[eternal sundial]

Man i wanna play s1 arcane ok razageth again

That was so fuckin sick

Complete 1v9 thanos spec on that boss

[cedar tusk]

sips tea

[restive peak]

Arcane is super easy once you spend a bit, there are literally WAs that say "BARRAGE NOW"

Fire mage BIS mage get gud

[quiet breach]

isnt that what we do tho

[cedar tusk]

I guess in a way we do, just with more elegance i'd say :3

[hardy bluff]

unbiased opinion

[eternal sundial]

I want df or sl prepatch fire

Ion like this pf shit but oh well

[sinful spoke]

chat has blizzard said anything about the coffer keys

[eternal sundial]

Good spec still

[hardy bluff]

bfa fire mage

[sinful spoke]

are they gonna reset them on tuesday

[hardy bluff]

they will reset

[eternal sundial]

Mirrors wrists 46% haste baseline

Haste affix

Infinite damage

[hardy bluff]

wrists are coming back

[sinful spoke]

how about the new ones

[hardy bluff]

login

[eternal sundial]

(going oom in m+)

[hardy bluff]

the new ones will reset in season 3

probably

[restive peak]

Ye it's pretty fun S2 as well

[sinful spoke]

thats not what im asking

[hardy bluff]

what are you asking then

[sinful spoke]

when can we earn the new ones

[hardy bluff]

any keys you currently hold will reset on wednesday

on wednesday

[sinful spoke]

interesting

[eternal sundial]

Tbf im just a hater cuz i loved pyroclasm

[restive peak]

xD

Fair

[hard widget]

I want mage to stop existing 🙂

Thats the best state of mage

[pseudo marlin]

lol silvermoon realm deadge

rip

[feral ivy]

Is that a rp server?

[dense elbow]

Death to silvermoon!

[radiant plank]

why combust less cd than AM reck

[eternal sundial]

more than bs tho

so its ok clueless

[restive peak]

Mage BIS again get on board

[eternal sundial]

obviously

its a day that ends with -day

thus mage is good in keys

[junior gale]

because to much reck uptime is toxic said some blizzard dev

[eternal sundial]

95% reck
99% enrage
incident

[junior gale]

wasnt an incident it was glorious

[high echo]

season tierset before the nerf gave near %100 combust cdr lmao

[surreal token]

Are there any target dummies in the game with a lot of health?

Aside from Kelpfist in Dornogal, there used to be two other dummies that had 100m+ hp

but now they only have like 60/30m

kills my pre-execute rotation

[lucid thorn]

there's one in org that has 100m+

[surreal token]

above the bridge thing?

[lucid thorn]

ye

[surreal token]

F i'm allaince

[lucid thorn]

oof

[surreal token]

I assume there's one in SW

[lucid thorn]

SW might have some yeah

i dont see why it wouldnt

[surreal token]

oh baby

there's like 4 or 5 here

in Old Town

thanks king

[lucid thorn]

got u

npnp

[dense elbow]

The dummies in the towers dornegal is too low HP for your testing?

[lucid thorn]

apparently

[dense elbow]

Impressive

[surreal token]

on top of the tower?

it's only like 61m hp

I legit don't even get to hit it for more than 30 seconds before it's at execute phase

[hardy bluff]

kelpfist has 120

[surreal token]

yeah but kelp is always getting hit by someone

[dense elbow]

Kelp prob being swarmed

[hardy bluff]

fair

[surreal token]

yep, he's perma 0hp

the issue imo is that dummies take forever to heal back

[dense elbow]

I used the Dummy in Boralus on the PTR

[surreal token]

i wish wow had a sandbox training mode where u could reset CDs, Lust, have specific target dummies like one that's only at execute threshold and another one that never drops below 36% hp

[dense elbow]

Training Grounds Training room, ye

could be cool

[surreal token]

legit all i want is the keystone sand elemental for all CDs, Lust, etc.

and a varying set of dummies

[hardy bluff]

there was a npc yesterday next to kelpfist that had buffs on him that tracked dps

he despawned after a few seconds tho

no clue where he came from

[median marsh]

is there a WA for s2 keys already?

[wind sentinel]

is mountainthane or slayer better for learning the new fights in the upcoming raid? I assume Thane for defenses but idk if it'll be death to my single target or not

[crude ridge]

Won't matter. Pick whichever you like more or whichever performs better.

[wind sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-sir-gif-18835091

[dapper goblet]

madox for yellow

[crude ridge]

Fury is already pretty tanky as is

[wind sentinel]

My only complaint about slayer is the CDR. I like it when my cooldowns all match up.
Its the silliest complaint because more activations = more dps but like D:

[plush ice]

So, in practice your 2nd bladestorm does tend to overlap w/ your 2nd reck, its just you press reck first

then your 3rd bladestorm tends to align w/ avatar/reck, etc

[hardy vault]

how du u manage your opener AM multi target ? Not enough rage for rampage

[winter shoal]

Your rage on opener should be the same in aoe and single target

[dense fulcrum]

try precast reck+avatar, charge u should have enough rage i guess to rampage

[pseudo marlin]

https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/can-we-get-a-healing-warrior-spec/563627 we need to get this seen by blizzard

[slim coral]

They need to fix arms and fury first

[summer quail]

we do not

[fast mural]

lmao

[pseudo marlin]

aint this good tho

[fast mural]

read the first thing on that list

its awfull

[pseudo marlin]

all ability but then MS go brr

[dense elbow]

It is over

[slim coral]

That does nothing to fix the class

And its issues

[fast mural]

being on top of details doesnt fix my spec ?

[earnest canyon]

what the hell is this from? I go out for a meal come back and there is this?

[fast mural]

you havnt been here the last 2 weeks?

[earnest canyon]

Yes

but not the last hour

[acoustic seal]

it is the patch notes sir

[earnest canyon]

which patch notes

[fast mural]

from last wednesday

[earnest canyon]

things were solved

[fast mural]

[earnest canyon]

lol

who cares about that

[pseudo marlin]

66% MS in pvp sounds like fun idk

[fast mural]

sure

yeah now that i think about it unhinged is gonna slap in pvp

but that doesnt "fix" the spec

whatever that might mean

[pseudo marlin]

yeah we need to be 2x ahead of every spec for it to be almost fixed

in terms of dps

[fast mural]

so you litteraly think "fixed" meaning top dps

[heavy flax]

it's over for us fury warriors

[sage ridge]

In Single target do you send a execute if you get 2 stacks of sudden death

[fervent yoke]

We go fury > arms now pure ST right?

[hardy bluff]

they are pretty equal

[fervent yoke]

Does this also apply to execute type fights? Or is arms better?

[quartz matrix]

They are relatively equal, arms has better cleave and execute

[fervent yoke]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14Us4SYeq2fr3sG-iv1ADOORaO5NZqXFhQdt7UJzpfro/htmlview

Yeah it’s close ST

[young swan]

arms has better 2 target cleave* and execute

start adding anymore targets and fury is better

[dense elbow]

It is over for us fury warriors

[hollow lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/the-end-is-near-simpsons-warning-gif-5187386

[final eagle]

W8 where top dps?

No pls no

https://tenor.com/view/no-no-no-no-no-wait-wait-wait-wait-wait-gif-3746287728568117387

The nerfs are coming

[pulsar quest]

where were u when warrior was kill week 1

rip

[slim coral]

Time to lock in

@young swan

[rose bay]

True cant wait for tuesday!

[fervent yoke]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/10g479vXesC382k68gw4akUKeuGUodbDho0yhKK6Eh0w/htmlview?pli=1

how can I see the talents used in these sims?

[hardy bluff]

go on the sim

then the view full html report

[hardy bluff]

its in there

[fervent yoke]

Ah I’m doing it on mobile

[hardy bluff]

probably dogshit on mobile so gl

o7

[ebon junco]

On web some of them have

and you just open and copy to clipboard

[sage ridge]

Do you send an execute if you get 2 stacks of sudden death to avoid overcapping in st?

[summer quail]

yes

[sage ridge]

I was just wondering because it doesn't say to on the rotation I was looking at but I didn't feel right

Seems like I am almost doing less single target in the single target slayer builds vs my thane m+ build

[earnest canyon]

I just play thane M+ with RA over AM

idk why AM is recommended at all

asked earlier, didnt get an answer, so I just do what feels better

[sage ridge]

I am just confused why the ST build for slayer is only doing marginally better than my M+ thane build on the dummies

[earnest canyon]

no clue buddy

[sly crane]

AM is fast and fun

[covert blaze]

cause you have cds every pack

[sage ridge]

It also is nice to have cds more often

[dense elbow]

DPS lead isnt that huge, we not talking 20+%, the difference is also noticed more in a fight when you also go into execute phase. Where AJ and the crit% mod from slayer get in some work.

For all we know, you are simply just doing it wrong. Or, perhaps, you just vibe better with Thane clapa clapa.

Important part is that you play the game in a way you enjoy. Difference wont matter

ST slayer, MT, Arms or Fury, just play what you have the most fun and enjoy the most

[restive peak]

We don’t have peaks and valleys anymore, we have a VERY flat damage profile now with both capstones, with RA having slightly higher st burst, and we get a slight peak with VC+stacked jugg in execute

[earnest canyon]

but its also for CD no? It just feels worse to play than RA

er ST

[restive peak]

That’s about it, they’re also very close in multiple ways, if you’re not going to push 20s or HOF, you can probably just stick to your preference

[summer quail]

it sims higher st yeah, but for some fights we're likely to go RA anyway. coz if you get any mechanics as AM you're fkd @earnest canyon

[restive peak]

The reason RA will likely be the play in raid is downtime, the gap closes and feeds towards RA quickly when there are several downtime occurrences (which will happen frequently in a lot of these fights)

AM simming higher is effectively high rolling for pure ST

[dense elbow]

Reach the cap where it starts mattering; check the data. Know the most efficent option is to reroll from warrior.
Acceptance strikes. You play whatever you find is more fun, as the %diff is neglible compared to swapping class.

[earnest canyon]

yeah I think im just gonna stick to RA cos im casual and it feels better

[covert blaze]

RA better pragmatically

in raid

specially on prog

[restive peak]

Most of us will likely play RA on early prog

[static loom]

Team AM right here

[winter shoal]

Me when AM

[earnest canyon]

Team big poop (and also way better than me)

[young swan]

feel like AM gonna be giga for most fights

[earnest canyon]

id still love to see some sim differences

[young swan]

exceptions for fights with clear timings that make RA better

[earnest canyon]

asked that like this morning

[young swan]

rik reverb

for example

[earnest canyon]

simmed myself and RA was 200k ahead

[young swan]

that doesnt seem right

[static loom]

To be fair, I'm team whatever is the best 🤷

[earnest canyon]

well i dont know under what parameters talents are recommended

[young swan]

im still trying to figure out what to do with the button that housed OF

[winter shoal]

I've had onslaught on 2 this entire expac 🙂

[static loom]

Seeing as how I haven't optimized the sims for RA, it should never be on top. :)

[earnest canyon]

i just did dungeonslice with the wowhead thane spec with RA, and then with AM

RA was 200kish ahead

[winter shoal]

DSlice is slightly cursed

[earnest canyon]

i got told this, but no recommendation as to how else to sim other than patchwerk

which seems also cursed coming from other classes

so I am sort of confused

[winter shoal]

Fury's rotation and stat priorities don't really change that much between ST and AOE so most people generally just do 1t 5m patchwerk with M+ trinkets

You can also do like 5t 45s or something like that

But disable lust and all that for those

[earnest canyon]

so which should I do?

[winter shoal]

I just do 1t 5m

[earnest canyon]

There must be a baseline, or is everyone just guessing ?

[covert blaze]

sim st target

you cleave on this spec by doing st

[earnest canyon]

but what if its m+ where 90% of the time im just doing aoe?

[winter shoal]

.

[covert blaze]

you don't change your gear for aoe

[winter shoal]

For one thing it's def not 90%

[covert blaze]

so why do you need to sim aoe

[winter shoal]

But also it's not meaningfully different to aoe vs st as fury

[earnest canyon]

i just wanted to sim the best M+ spec....I only know for hunter where we didnt use dslice as it was crap and didnt represent anything meaningful

[covert blaze]

you don't sim aoe to figure out what's best

[earnest canyon]

so really just asking what i need to do align my sims with the theorycrafters to see which is better

[covert blaze]

you apply critical thinking

[earnest canyon]

id rather other people do that and then align myself with that

[covert blaze]

why align yourself

im not sure I understand

if thane is better in m+ cause it's better sustained aoe

and AM gives you your CDs more often

what is there to sim

[earnest canyon]

if AM does that or RA does

RA just seems better to me

in all circumstances, when I play it

and when I sim it

[winter shoal]

@covert blaze why'd you private your logs Madge

[covert blaze]

simming AOE is a meme

[winter shoal]

I mean tbf AM and RA are very close anyways

[covert blaze]

my arms character is not private

[covert blaze]

what do you mean by seems better

[winter shoal]

HOLY having different characters for different specs

[covert blaze]

cause it's not black or white

[earnest canyon]

"seems better" is the origin of this entire discussion

[covert blaze]

if you're bad at AM your cdr might be cursed

[earnest canyon]

it either is, or isnt

so I want to test it, as AM is always recommended

[covert blaze]

I have a lot of warriors

[covert blaze]

AM is better in m+

[earnest canyon]

based on what?

[winter shoal]

AM is better in M+ if you don't grief your cds*

[covert blaze]

are you not reading what I type

[earnest canyon]

ok but its recommended for thane

[covert blaze]

I kinda cba if you aren't

[earnest canyon]

and also ST

[sullen dove]

cuz ra got changed to be dogshit

and the other rotational buttons got buffed to be barely worse than the transformed ra abilitites

[covert blaze]

having CDs every pack is better in m+

[summer quail]

i'm surprised you got this far honestly. i'm not even part of the conversation and lowkey losing my mind

[earnest canyon]

so we circle back to the fact RA sims 200k higher for me

[earnest pike]

So what's the play this season for m+ and raid? am I playing fury or hating my life and playing arms 😛

[sullen dove]

in dungeon slice which is the most worthless sim metric

[winter shoal]

AM does more single target in a vacuum for thane, which due to the nature of fury will also pretty much necessarily mean it does more aoe as well
AM also means you'll have cds every pack which is good in a practical sense

[covert blaze]

who gives a shit about aoe sims

my god

it's not real man

[winter shoal]

#arms message

[sullen dove]

5tar 5min maybe theres something there

but dungeon slice is not real

ever

[winter shoal]

5t 5m is beyond fake

[sullen dove]

training dummy cleave

ez

[winter shoal]

There is literally never a time where you are fighting 5t for 5m

[sullen dove]

there is if u keep chain pulling

[summer quail]

there was almost a time in vault. was 4 targets tho

[restive peak]

^ dis

[earnest canyon]

That is all fine, so where are the theorycrafter sims that take all this into account

[summer quail]

you do know sims cannot take every single variable into account right?

there are wayy too many

[earnest canyon]

or is it all feelings

[covert blaze]

you realize keys are not simmable right

cause every key is different

[earnest canyon]

of course they are

[covert blaze]

and holding CDs changes things

[winter shoal]

Even my dogshit guild didn't take 5m to kill council

[earnest canyon]

you just load an entire key

[summer quail]

like keys has an absolute fuck ton of variables

[sullen dove]

tru just load the entire key

enter it into the mainframe

thats all there is to it

[covert blaze]

ok you're trolling or braindead

[earnest canyon]

thats what we do on huntard

[covert blaze]

unlucky

[restive peak]

Hunter and M+

[earnest canyon]

take a MRT path, load it into raidbots

[restive peak]

Yeah that totally works because nothing has ever changed and all other classes DPS to ensure the exact same cooldown timers every single time you run the key

[summer quail]

on our first kill we did, very dogshit guild. tho after that yeah nowhere close to 5m

[restive peak]

Do you need the /s or you good?

[earnest canyon]

well that is why I was using dungeonslice..... but that is bad too

[restive peak]

We sim ST and then swap trinkets as needed

[earnest canyon]

so I am kinda confused

[restive peak]

Because that’s how fury works

[sullen dove]

dung slice is like a 6 min little excerpt of like a +3 or some shit

[earnest canyon]

right so always patchwerk?

[restive peak]

And tbh that’s how basically every spec works

Yes

[sullen dove]

2 minutes of fighting a boss and the rest is variable pack sizes for variable lengths never more than like 15 or 20 seconds i think

is what i remember being told by xantage like a year or 2 ago

but its not realistic

[earnest canyon]

ok so I will do patchwerk....
goddamn this was hardwork

[sullen dove]

that was prolly mentioned

in like the first 5 lines

[winter shoal]

I mean tbf me and Zhai did both say 1t 5m as our first replies

[covert blaze]

he said he plays hunter

be gentle

[sullen dove]

hunters in sod are cool man

retail tho

[earnest canyon]

i dont play hunter anymore

[covert blaze]

extremely dented individual

[earnest canyon]

ive only played for 20 years

mage for most of it

[sullen dove]

[earnest canyon]

but unlike a lot of channels, and i dont mean to be disrespectful, you guys can say "we dont know, thats just how it is"

[restive peak]

We do know though

We know exactly why

They literally told you why

You didn’t like the answer is all

[covert blaze]

we do know

you just don't understand what we're explaining to you

[sullen dove]

its definitely not realistic to copy an entire dungeon into a sim and except an actual result

[earnest canyon]

what answer dont I like? I dont care, I like playing fury

[sullen dove]

dungeon levels and timers change

pulls change

the dps of other people in your group change

[earnest canyon]

sure they do

[smoky vale]

@covert blaze my mage needs keys!

[covert blaze]

I'm touching grass atm

[smoky vale]

me too

walking dog

we need to put my mage into 10s so i can get 3/6 hc gear

[floral frigate]

anyone got a macro to apply mana oil after the change to have to target your weapon?

[sullen dove]

#showtooltip
/use [button:1] Algari Mana Oil
/use [button:1] 16
/click StaticPopup1Button1

prolly like make another for 17 instead of 16 for a second weap

if i had to guess

[floral frigate]

ok ty

[slim coral]

@sullen dove

yoda glazing fury rn

[sullen dove]

dumbass

[slim coral]

[sullen dove]

rates it c in ptr and 4 days go by and “omg wow so good”

[modest condor]

bait

[sullen dove]

tru

Ww rising tho

poggers

[slim coral]

that was his thumbnail this is his real raiting

[smoky vale]

deadge

@slim coral

[slim coral]

I swear yoda is cooked

[sullen dove]

baze when lying for fun I guess

[slim coral]

?

[smoky vale]

hi when are we playing 4 warrior comp

[sullen dove]

What even was that first scuffed image

[slim coral]

it was a clickbait

[smoky vale]

also which one of us is playing healer

[sullen dove]

o so he’s cringe nice

[sullen dove]

you

[slim coral]

see

[smoky vale]

ill play mw

bazed you in?

[slim coral]

someone needs to talk to yoda fr tho

[smoky vale]

that guys too far gone

[slim coral]

his biases are showing fr

[dapper goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/war-dogs-war-dogs-movie-stressed-facepalm-gif-5727928

[smoky vale]

blow up

[dapper goblet]

lets get a perma mute on baze

[covert blaze]

you got owned

[slim coral]

He had me for a second

ngl

[covert blaze]

bent over

[slim coral]

I really thought he woke up

[covert blaze]

it's over for you you gave him the view

[slim coral]

still a 4 arms tier or what

[smoky vale]

2 now

[restive peak]

It’s a double fury or arms or 1/1 tier

We are eating like kings still

[slim coral]

I just want xeos to do the bit

[dapper goblet]

not a bit

[restive peak]

Xeos is blue now

[slim coral]

ok so still a 4 warrrior tier got it

[burnt kelp]

xeos has always been blue

but just seeing aug being unplayable makes me happy

I'll be happy as long as evoker never sees the light of day again

[restive peak]

Aug being dead quite literally gives everyone a 33% higher invite rate

[dense elbow]

we are s tier, pog

[restive peak]

We ball uncontrollably

[south kayak]

I’d say Aug, not evoker

[slim coral]

I just listened for his reasoning on why he put fury in B

this man is trolling

[smoky vale]

me when dev and pres have 80% of aug utility

🙂

[slim coral]

"Fury might be higher but I don't really know just gonna put it here not sure"

-Yoda