fury

[earnest canyon]

I mean if its such a huge gap then I can play arms for M+, but id rather not

[dense elbow]

I can honestly say, I doubt ppl who invite warrior in the first place, care about what spec they are if it isnt a question of Tank Vs DPS

[fickle bluff]

@radiant plank so you cant actually see the notes on the published version

[fervent yoke]

Yeah kitty’s got a point fury really isn’t far behind if going off of the spreadsheet either. If you’re better at playing fury then you’ll probably do more damage regardless.

[radiant plank]

damn

[fickle bluff]

but i dont actually know where the published one has spread from

[humble plover]

Can someone explain how arms does more damage? It's got one less weapon. Math doesn't add up

[earnest canyon]

bigger biceps so they hit harder. literally called arms because of this

[humble plover]

Feel like you need bigger muscles to one hand a big ass wep

[earnest canyon]

no thats just a stronger grip, but you flail around like a baby as the weapons are too heavy

[humble plover]

Makes sense thanks

[earnest canyon]

np, im the resident fury expert

[young swan]

has nothing to do with that, all of the dungeons have big pulls and fury has no uncapped damage with the exception of roar bleed

the shift towards rotational ability damage for fury hurts a lot in m+

especially in a season where most pulls have 8+ targets

[humble plover]

Meat cleaver increase when?

[dense elbow]

Xan bringing my own musings to myself, neat.

I prefer a world with more focus on CDs to offset the AoE weakness. Also, flat is boring, but hey.

[river viper]

Dps warrior still looking like crap for season 2? Just deciding if I will active my sub or not

[dapper goblet]

[earnest canyon]

Looks fine to me, but im not a min maxer

[dense elbow]

We far from 'crap' tier, but doubt we will be meta. We looking a bit better than current season, if that helps.

[river viper]

It does thanks

[dense elbow]

o7

[young swan]

giga in raid, fury mid in m+, arms probably barely off meta in m+

[dense elbow]

I honestly fear arms being so strong in raid, that it will somehow get Fury nerfed.

How? Only blizz devs know

[earnest canyon]

What do you think will be the 5 spec meta for M+ out of curiosity?

[covert blaze]

that guy doesnt play the game im pretty sure

[young swan]

caster comp

[earnest canyon]

hmm?

[dense elbow]

Still can have an opinion

[covert blaze]

xan known raid logger

[young swan]

prob like destro, fire + 1

idk anything about healers and tanks

[earnest canyon]

ok

[young swan]

prop ppal or vdh for tank

[dense elbow]

Destro/Fire, prob means VDH or havoc, and then disco or SP to amp the Destro

Maybe aug? >:))

[covert blaze]

i wonder how aug is after nerfs

[young swan]

nah aug is dead

[dense elbow]

Mayyybe aug >:))))

[covert blaze]

probably dead yeah

[earnest canyon]

Destro wih what kalamazi said would be pretty wild

[young swan]

sandbagger

[dense elbow]

As someone who did M+ PTR, Destro broken af

dont sweat it

[earnest canyon]

yeah ive always said warlocks are sandbaggers

[covert blaze]

whatever kalamazi said, multiply by 2

[earnest canyon]

never liked them except classic....just always felt like a clunky mage

[tidal kindle]

Spriest

Pi goated I fear

[young swan]

yeah

that was my guess

[warm crag]

spriest optimal pi target is an spriest thoughts?

[dense elbow]

Good thing Spriest can share it with another person

[warm crag]

yes they pi another spriest

[earnest canyon]

just 3 spriests all pi-ing each other and high fiving

[dense elbow]

That PIs another priest

that PIs another

and another

and another

another

Ultimate raid comp

[earnest canyon]

I mean in MC in classic we had like 23 frost mage raids due to the stupid immunities....lets go back to that

*vanilla

[dense elbow]

The work to find 23 frost mages in vanilla would have been backbreaking

[earnest canyon]

not really, was quite easy off the thottbot forums for the memes, and people would reroll alts

[dense elbow]

Thottbot

[earnest canyon]

RIP

[humble plover]

Dinosaur game

[earnest canyon]

it is pretty ancient yeah....given the amount of the time I have been playing I shouldnt be so bad at it, but such is life

[dense elbow]

Doubt you are bad at the game tho, in all seriousness. Not top 0.01% perhaps. But far from bad tier.

[humble plover]

That's how I feel about league. Been playing that shit since like season 3 and I'm still ass at it

[earnest canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/kiss-heart-shape-muah-love-wink-gif-25051971

[dense elbow]

🫶

[earnest canyon]

Yeah I dont get mobas at all....I played the original dota when it was a WC3 mod...was fun....and I had fun in HotS.....dota2 and league? No thanks

[south kayak]

any poe 1 gamers

[earnest canyon]

Too complicated for my pea brain

talent tree is like quantum physics

[sour frigate]

Quantum physics can be fun at least

[earnest canyon]

Yeah, unlike PoE!! Haha

[mossy fox]

false

norvegia better

[dense elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-angry-angry-mad-cat-meme-gif-17719456655395931550

[narrow delta]

Norvegia for regular day bread

[summer quail]

synnøve supremacy

[dense elbow]

u

get out

now

OUT

[slim coral]

I miss the critcake drinking streams

Maybe with arms being meta they will start again

[gusty hazel]

Synnøve 4 lyfe

[dense elbow]

Synnøve fienden strikes again

[junior gale]

Need another date with Critcake stream tyvm

[covert blaze]

date with critcake

[dapper goblet]

cowardcake

[sullen dove]

didnt want a xeos s3 shadowlands v2

critchad slowly making amends for the sins of df s4 tierset

[summer quail]

the good news is, if they decide to do the same thing again this expansion. surely there is no way anyone would choose s1 or s2

coz both of these are pretty ass

[sullen dove]

just like they shouldnt have in df too 😄

first 2 seasons were doo doo dogshit

[summer quail]

df tiersets you actually felt atleast

[sullen dove]

the like 1 bt every 35 minutes you could feel yea

that was aight

but nothin like BAM BAM BAM bloodbaths

[summer quail]

triple bam bloodbaths were nice in raid. did not like it in m+

[sullen dove]

ye unfort removed the cleaving of it

still fun to see main target mob's hp drop in chunks

but odyns was actually good then

so it was ok

[bitter palm]

god forbid warriors using necro banner on each other

[slim coral]

what is every m+'s obsession with putting fury in b/c tier

are they just ignorant or what

[winter shoal]

Literally yes

[slim coral]

They all say the same line too

[winter shoal]

Every single tier list person is like "idk much about warrior but I did 2 keys with critcake and he played arms and did well so it's A tier, fury is bad so B tier"

[slim coral]

"Warrior brings no utility so I gotta put it lower"

People for some reason tend to forget overall isn't everything

I mean just look at what fire mage was brought for a while ago

it had lower overall but cranked on it's damage profile which is what mattered

[summer quail]

the funny part is they rate havoc high because of prio??? as if fury isn't all about prio

[dusky owl]

11.1 on 25.2
is mythic 0 from wednesday or just when saison begins

[winter shoal]

Me when funnel > prio even if they achieve the same outcome

[dusky owl]

and is it daily lookout or weekly again?

[winter shoal]

Funnel is unironically better in very low keys and very high keys tho

[hardy bluff]

weekly

[summer crater]

Havocs prio is way better right now

[summer quail]

after the bug fix i'm not so sure about that

[dusky owl]

unlucky but starting on 25.2 or?

[hardy bluff]

no

[summer quail]

better probably yeah, but "way better" i doubt it

[dusky owl]

so only hc dungeons first week or what

[winter shoal]

Leveling my dh as we speak

[summer quail]

do note, this is with bugged dh. it's fixed now

[modest condor]

they have never played with a dps warrior so they dont know what to do with them so they just say what they heard other people say

[winter shoal]

This is from a key that's being played right now on yoda's stream

So should be fixed there innit

[summer quail]

yeah and it's still bugged on ptr

[slim coral]

yeah idk what this bit is about fury warrior but it needs to end right now

[winter shoal]

Ah didn't realize\

[slim coral]

yeah and it then it plagues the wow communities mind like a leech

[fickle bluff]

Season

[modest condor]

i mean apparently the general community still thinks fury is squishy after all these years

[dusky owl]

thats bad i need to gear warri than this week i guess ;D

[modest condor]

even tho we've been one of the tankiest dps since shadowlands and it's been getting tankier with every expansion

[summer crater]

I mean

Fury is one of the specs that dies the most by far

[slim coral]

I mean I know yoda is very good at the game but this is just wrong

Fury is not down there with aug

[oblique trail]

Die tier lists die

[dense elbow]

Fury gets futher and futher from S every day

fbm

[modest condor]

yeah i mean i know why it's looking especially bad this tier but that statistic never made sense to me in the first place

[winter shoal]

I mean I'd probably put it in B+ relative to those but it doesn't seem THAT egregious

[summer crater]

It's not like we need tier lists to know dps warriors will never ever be meta

For mythic

[slim coral]

bro come on

[winter shoal]

Esp if people are giga pulling week 1 in baby keys

[slim coral]

ain't no way you can justify fury in the same tier as aug

[winter shoal]

Target cap go brrr

[modest condor]

like i remember during smolderon prog

[winter shoal]

I'd put aug in C yeah

[modest condor]

i didnt even care about dodging the flame tornadoes because they werent dangerous to me

[slim coral]

It's the death rate bit

[modest condor]

often one of the highest damage taken but still one of the lowest external healing recieved

[slim coral]

some how fury has the highest death rate

so people think it's cause squishy

[modest condor]

yes that's the statistic im talking about

fury having the highest death rate in that statistic doesnt make sense to me

[winter shoal]

I think arms is def a tier above fury with big pulls, I feel like they're pretty similar once things level off and you're doing your weekly 10 with a tank who pulls 1 pack at a time

[summer quail]

i wonder how much of that is from aggro. i died to aggro alot early in the raid

like alot

[winter shoal]

#arms message

This is my conjecture

Lots of 1 shots in the raid

Not a lot of rot

[modest condor]

i dont think fury needs any extra defensive abilities

[winter shoal]

I agree

[modest condor]

and we're also very good against 1shots

[winter shoal]

I have lived one (1) web blade

[slim coral]

Yeah I mean I agree arms is a tier above but yoda's reasonning for putting fury in the lowest tier makes no sesen

just weird

[modest condor]

unless you mean avoidable 1shots then yeah i guess

[winter shoal]

Our dk got hit by at least one web blade every pull and never died

[summer crater]

I mean one reason fury dies could unironically be because of our self-heal so healers sometimes forget to heal us

[hardy bluff]

yea but thats not a warrior problem that a dk problem tbh

stupid ass class

[summer quail]

dk is on a different level. you have to actively try to die on dk

[slim coral]

no

that is not why fury dies

[lament otter]

Never really had that issue tbh

[summer crater]

So what is it

[slim coral]

bad play

[oblique trail]

People are just in general really bad at living on Fury and using their personals

[slim coral]

bad defensive usage

[winter shoal]

I mean yeah but if you give fury the dk cheat death it never dies in any scenario

[summer crater]

That makes less sense

[oblique trail]

But this tier it's kinda exacerbated a bit on some bosses, like Rashanan and Broodtwister

[slim coral]

you have so much self ssutain you are basically a tank

[summer crater]

That somehow just warriors wouldn't know how to use defensives

[slim coral]

I mean on average we have more players than most classes

[winter shoal]

The average fury warrior is braindead on god

[summer crater]

But it happens at all levels

[lament otter]

I think you’d be surprised

I’ve talked to a few warriors now that refuse to swap into Defensive stance to reduce damage taken

[summer quail]

most warriors also rarely use dstance. dstance owns

[slim coral]

yeah you can perma sit in dstance on prog

and never die

[gleaming talon]

Braided but still hit duelist s1

[summer crater]

But it's always down to "feels"

[lament otter]

down to me

[summer crater]

Fury warriors on this server also thought fury damage was great in mythic+ even before we started going thane

[sour frigate]

[oblique trail]

Depends on when before Thane you're talking about

[summer crater]

At any point

[oblique trail]

You're lost then if you mean at any point during S1 before Thane

I can agree if you mean between the last nerf with the target cap, and the Thane buffs

[summer crater]

We were bottom third even the first week in mythic+

[oblique trail]

Based on what metric

[summer crater]

Logs

Actual data instead of le feels

[oblique trail]

Odd, my personal experience showed me to always be at the top, or at least competing, with basically anyone I played with, pug or guildie

[summer crater]

Havoc and fury was at a similar spot the first week

[summer crater]

Maybe they just suck

[oblique trail]

Only one who'd consistently beat me was my FDK guildie

[next ruin]

Critcake was losing to most played specs with less gear than him, he made videos about it

[compact siren]

banezi never joins vc or plays games

[next ruin]

I don't think critcake played badly

[clever belfry]

@oblique trail GO TO BED

[next ruin]

Even now on live we are barely better in ST while being worse in small pulls and far behind in big pulls

I love the damage profile but it's just low on overalls let's not deny it

[summer crater]

In that moment we can at least say we weren't bm hunters

BM was insanely bad the first two months

[clever belfry]

in dungeons sure

in raid nah

[restive peak]

This season M+ wise is the weakest we've been compared to the strong ones in awhile

But even then, we work

[summer crater]

Yeah dungeons, in dungeons they were doing way lower than aug initially, was funny to see

[restive peak]

I mean we were never doing less than augs lmfao

[summer crater]

BM hunters the first few weeks

[restive peak]

No even then they weren't

Unless you played with people without hands

[oblique trail]

I am you meowster

[next ruin]

The first few weeks bm was kinda weird and did like barely any aoe damage

[oblique trail]

I'd like to believe my guildies at least weren't, but what do I know

[summer crater]

Yep, it was their basilisk talent

[oblique trail]

I was able to consistently beat the majority of people I played with the first few weeks, and the only time it was genuinely horrible was the time between the last nerfs and the first buffs

[summer crater]

Super strong ST with ST spec but broken aoe

[restive peak]

Yeah we were insane before the nerfs in M+ as well

[summer crater]

No we weren't

[restive peak]

Pretending otherwise is just weird, it was after the 3rd nerf and everyones gear that we started to be awful

You definitely know more than me about what we were capable of big dog, you're probably right

[clever belfry]

fury was cracked in 10s

it wouldve not been cracked in 16

[restive peak]

^

We are super not cracked in 16-17s now

But we were super fuckin good

[next ruin]

It was ret Pala tier

[oblique trail]

I'll admit I've seen the average Fury pug, so if you account for those and the fact they're also accounted for in whatever logs you looked at, then I'd understand why it looked grim

[next ruin]

Then trash, but now we should feel better than ret Pala so we won

[summer crater]

Fury was not cracked in 10s

[clever belfry]

then ure just shit

sorry

[restive peak]

So Neffy is trolling. Anyway

[summer crater]

No. You just base everything on feels

[oblique trail]

?

[maiden ingot]

Lol

[oblique trail]

That's rage bait

[summer crater]

Nope

[restive peak]

That makes sense for sure

[next ruin]

A pack by pack 10's as slayer feel bad tho

[oblique trail]

Then your intellectual capacity is severely lacking and I'm sorry to hear

[restive peak]

Yes now we are dogwater after being giga nerfed 3x

[summer crater]

Doing decent single-target prio the first week doesn't mean we were cracking

[restive peak]

If you think we didn't deserve the initial nerfs, you should go warlock because you're absolutely insane

[summer crater]

"Uh but total doesn't matter"

[restive peak]

And those guys love to act ridiculous when OP

That is not an accurate thing by any stretch and never was, haven't seen that 1 in ages though LOL

[maiden ingot]

I'm really squinting but it's not April 1st yet, so no clue what Neffy is tryna do.

[clever belfry]

what does this sheet even display

[summer crater]

It's logs for keys 9-12 the first week

[unreal kelp]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/253446173774315520/1060610510803980288/skateboardge.gif

[clever belfry]

3rd column u dense fuck

[restive peak]

xDDDD

[compact siren]

rude

[pallid tinsel]

I keep seeing all these tier lists and to me, basically the argument comes down to aoe cap vs uncapped. Do you guys think that by 11.5/11.7 we get aoe cap changes?

[clever belfry]

is that n

include the header like a normal human

[compact siren]

that is my rio!

[restive peak]

Noone has any idea Poe

We're very good for S2 currently, just not meta (we will never be meta by design unless reworked)

Looking like a solid season

[pallid tinsel]

Looking forward to it

[oblique trail]

The only cap changes we've gotten in forever has been getting a reduced cap rather than increased really

[sour frigate]

Funny numbers with coloured brackets

[oblique trail]

So I would not hold your breath

[sour frigate]

Why not

[next ruin]

Don't act dumber than the situation, fury wasn't the top 1 dps spec you can give him this

[summer crater]

"But but but I can easily beat pug dps"

[restive peak]

You really do realize that chart was never real and floated around a lot the first few weeks, yeah?

[fast mural]

looks like a popularity chart to me

[summer crater]

It was always real

It's logs

[restive peak]

Facepalm

[next ruin]

Unholy never is top3

[restive peak]

I'll admit it, you're champ trollin

UHDK as a top class in low keys

[summer crater]

A sample size of thousands isn't "nothing" if you think so you're actually just braindead

[compact siren]

@clever belfry owned

[clever belfry]

fax

did u die jimmyian

[oblique trail]

Nutcrackered

[restive peak]

Neffy can I ask you a serious question?

[compact siren]

i am on the ship eating a biccy

[sour frigate]

Devastation in 1/3 ure memeing right?

[restive peak]

I want to get you a gift, so it's a real question.

[clever belfry]

im in da mines

[summer crater]

Yeah I know you idiots thought we were great even before we got the buffs back

[warm crag]

i heard him screenshot and send that

[summer crater]

I don't forget the stupid shit you people claimed

[pulsar quest]

Are you claiming we weren’t good before the buffs lol

We were insane

[restive peak]

We got buffs back eh? Fuckin wild broheem, I must've missed those buffs during the 3 nerfs we recieved in the first several weeks. So no, you won't answer my serious question? 😦

[terse minnow]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-bart-eat-popcorn-listening-sideshow-bob-gif-11775572287607054920

[pulsar quest]

First round of nerfs were needed we were so good

[compact siren]

volcanussy

[summer crater]

The thane buffs went far beyond the initial nerfs in a mythic setting

[restive peak]

Bro WHAT ARE YOU GUYS PLAYING lmao

[compact siren]

giant saw me

[restive peak]

Neffy, will you teach me to play fury?

[clever belfry]

those who know

[oblique trail]

Tödliche firma

[warm crag]

the squad

[sour frigate]

Looks like starfield

[fast mural]

graphics are too good to be starfield

[summer crater]

No I'll just watch you be content with being the carry

[sour frigate]

[compact siren]

starfield gaming

[pulsar quest]

Merry do you have any logs this tier

Or recent

[restive peak]

They carry me cuz I'm a qtpi

[pulsar quest]

Neffy*

[pulsar quest]

I’m just curious if all of this is coming from somebody who’s like good at the game

[summer crater]

This is logs of the first week

[pulsar quest]

Or just like a heroic Andy

No I mean like literally you

Are you good at the game

[restive peak]

He's either trolling, or extremely piss poor as a player and needs to pretend it's the classes fault

[summer crater]

You're a moron

[pulsar quest]

So no

Okay

[warm crag]

You're a moron

[pulsar quest]

die spong

[clever belfry]

noob

[restive peak]

Spongie call me a moron

[gleaming siren]

say that one more time

[pulsar quest]

Yes!!!!

[summer crater]

How much lower do you think the higher ranked warriors were compared to the higher ranked classes above it the first week?

[pulsar quest]

I’m not entertaining an argument with you until you can prove to me that you even have a basis of understanding of the game

[next ruin]

Idk I feel like he's just saying it was not a top dps spec the first week, dps charts show top fury players did less than top X Y Z players

Doesn't seem like a wild take

[restive peak]

He doesn't know how to read data, big dog.

That's why we're all memeing him

[summer crater]

These idiots actually think fury was op in mythic + the first week

[compact siren]

these edibles ain't shit

[oblique trail]

I've got multiple screenshots of me doing well above the average of this dataset, from the first couple of weeks, so I can't tell if the people were genuinely just garbage at the spec (likely), or simply just the data set itself is lacking 👍

but maybe I was just carried by gear, so what do I know

[clever belfry]

yeah if only i logged

i couldve had rank 1

dps

all 10s

holy hsit

[fast mural]

how many people even log m+ runs

[oblique trail]

A fraction of people bother to

[dense elbow]

Close to none

[gleaming siren]

Nobody important

[terse minnow]

tbh thats you guys having poor understanding of data analysis

if you look at top dmg in his graph you'll notice its pretty close to one another

so if you are a top players vs pepegas you'd off course do well

[sour frigate]

I believe the take about garbage considering how many people cant play ra properly even now

[next ruin]

Well teach me what's the flaw in what I say I'm honestly curious

[oblique trail]

Right our average is close to or equal to the rest of the specs there

[sour frigate]

[oblique trail]

But we are told we were shit?

[terse minnow]

average vs percentile youknow

[clever belfry]

joe biden

[sour frigate]

[restive peak]

Because his data 1. isn't a real data piece and 2. If you balanced based on all levels, you'd never be accurate; if you have any chart that isn't the 90th% percentile at the lowest, it is irrelevant for balance

[summer crater]

The average for both the typical and the upper range was in the third lowest part

[pulsar quest]

To be completely honest, the average of about 95% of the player base does not matter

You need statistics from the 95% percentile and upwards

[sour frigate]

^

[summer crater]

"Well uh warriors can't die either"

[pulsar quest]

Everybody below that probably can’t even press RA buttons right

[terse minnow]

how come its not real data ? you mean not properly curated?

[summer crater]

That's what the top is genius

[sour frigate]

^^^^^

[pulsar quest]

What percentile of the top is it taking from

Top 30%, top 20%

[restive peak]

No one said warriors can't die, you shouldn't die if you use your brain and are a good player, I think we can safely state about 85% of the WoW playerbase has no idea how to use their whole kit

[terse minnow]

id assume its just "max"

[fast mural]

there is a reason you look at statistics on raids from 90% upwards

[summer crater]

Top 5%....

[sour frigate]

I was boosting 10-12th with 3100 fury recently and he didn't press the buttons

[pulsar quest]

Okay, can you link the source site

That you have this from

[south kayak]

Some things weren't pushed on PTR and that bug is one of them

[sour frigate]

Then asked me how do i deal more damage

[terse minnow]

yea, so its real data not being properly filtered i think no one disagrees on that, claiming its not real data is just wrong mate

[fast mural]

so we should balance classes based on the avg meaniing 50th perentile ?

[fast mural]

you cant say a spec is bad cause bad players suck at it

[restive peak]

Wait til this guy sees a bad enhance shaman

[sour frigate]

We will have 35 ret pallies then

[summer crater]

Let's pretend this meta isn't true either

[sour frigate]

[oblique trail]

Why are you suddenly talking about meta

[unreal kelp]

a bad 640 enchance shaman

[restive peak]

Noone claims the meta isn't real, the meta looks like that every tier for the record

[summer quail]

stop strawmanning

[pulsar quest]

Instead of linking screenshots can we post actual links

[restive peak]

As in the top 5 dominate the upper 85% ish

[sour frigate]

Not quite rare

[pulsar quest]

So we can see the source data

[compact siren]

andasimp will see some play in s2

thats all im saying

[gleaming siren]

start strawmaxxing

[terse minnow]

i mean i have no clue about blizzard politics, but its valid intel to some extend, by definition top 10% is just top 10% of runs
so if there is a big gap in avg vs top you could argue the spec is somehow "too hard to play"
please note im not saying its the case for fury

[summer crater]

You morons move the goalposts. It needs to be 95th percentile, well it was, then what

[gleaming siren]

[oblique trail]

Schmidibara got emote privilege owned

[gleaming siren]

0

Banezi post chadding

right now

[oblique trail]

I'll post balls instead

[clever belfry]

andasimp is in s3 df

she will stay in

s3 df

[compact siren]

balls!

[sour frigate]

BALLS

Yep

[gleaming siren]

Andasimp wasnt good for your mental

[clever belfry]

maybe andasimp-wil[dgrowth should make a comeback @gleaming siren 😳

[gleaming siren]

YES

Feral is good

[compact siren]

https://tenor.com/view/kaeya-genshin-impact-good-morning-balls-gif-4518758848321159064

[restive peak]

We didn't move the goalposts brother, we didn't place the goalposts...you did. If you place the goalposts in front of yourself with a ball and we're playing soccer, I'm gonna tell you to put the goalposts in the proper place or not play.

[oblique trail]

I'm still trying to understand how warrior was garbage the first few weeks, when the average shown in the sheet you so adamantly defend keeps us in line with most other specs?

Wrong reply

[restive peak]

Does the analogy make sense, or is your brain too scrambled? I still want you to answer my serious question so I can give you your gift.

[oblique trail]

I got owned

[fast mural]

finally some actuall data

[dense elbow]

warrior meta

[gleaming siren]

he is so bright

[sour frigate]

[summer crater]

Learn how to interpret data instead of feels. You beating your guildie group isn't relevant

[restive peak]

My guildie group

I lol'd

[sour frigate]

[chilly fractal]

Yo

[covert blaze]

what did i walk into

[gleaming siren]

balls

[frozen berry]

wth are these like 56p images?!

[chilly fractal]

Who is pissin off Lincc

[restive peak]

Apparently fury was insanely week the 1st weeks of the tier brotherman, we are awful

Also balls

[sour frigate]

Balls

[fast mural]

yellow guys are getting owned by data

[restive peak]

I'm laughing at him, he's trolling

[compact siren]

woah

[warm crag]

my brother is lost

[next ruin]

Wasn't the original take warriors being op? So op or in a good spot

[young swan]

balls

[restive peak]

But he won't tell me his fav color so I can buy him a new helmet 😦

[maiden ingot]

Somebody really doesn't want a gift of Lincc is what you walked into. Dodging it like a League Pro apparently.

[clever belfry]

my picture was 40000x700

[chilly fractal]

Ight brah you stay safe out there

[summer crater]

I never said we were awful, I said we weren't good in mythic+ even the first week

[restive peak]

Helmet color, pick

[summer crater]

Bm hunter was awful

[oblique trail]

Warrior was for sure really strong the first week compared to the majority of specs, but saying we were weak or bad in M+ is genuinely just either stupidity, ignorance, both or willfully trying to rage bait

[compact siren]

i heard banezi is manipulating the sims

[clever belfry]

guys holy shit !!!

[pallid tinsel]

Funny seeing fury warriors argue about statistical data, considering the wow community looks at us as a buncha mouth breathers, who split a single brain cell between dpsing and ignoring mechanics to dps.

[warm crag]

wtf?

[sour frigate]

🏐 🏐 🏐

[young swan]

holy balls

[maiden ingot]

[pulsar quest]

Dude!!!!

[gleaming siren]

Points

bro

[summer crater]

With good reason, they can't read data

[fast mural]

filtered by key level ?

[clever belfry]

points cant be filtered

i just did all 10s day 1

🤯

so i got this locked in

[restive peak]

Anda for president

[clever belfry]

no way!

[pulsar quest]

I still don’t see why the actual source site hasn’t been linked

[pulsar quest]

And not just a bunch of screenshots

[sour frigate]

Sounds very ret

[pulsar quest]

So we can actually see the data we are using as evidence

[gleaming siren]

@warm crag did world 3rd DB 10

ask him about M+

[covert blaze]

spongie 🫃

[next ruin]

Don't you think the answer could be a mix of both? It Def was good. But how many people you know rerolled warrior because of how it was performing? I'm overall happy with the changes tho

[compact siren]

https://tenor.com/view/kaeya-balls-alert-kaeya-genshin-impact-genshin-gif-32354815828264793

[unreal kelp]

i personally owned in m+ first week

[warm crag]

?

[gleaming siren]

spongie 🫃

[compact siren]

gz on the child

[pulsar quest]

Buddy you’re talking to a verified week 1 m+ blaster

[restive peak]

Good news guys Blindlinc has tier set

[chilly fractal]

All I remember first week M+ was having to sit on my hands otherwise BALDESTORM AGGRO

[covert blaze]

🫃

[restive peak]

We're cookin with gasoline over here now

[fast mural]

we got some real +10 gods in here

[sour frigate]

Dh alt?

[clever belfry]

im so mad i did one eleven this tier

[oblique trail]

I'm willing to read and understand data, but can also interject with my own empirical evidence that I'm very much capable of performing as Fury compared to most I played keys with the first few weeks, both guildies and pugs (and I'd very much argue my guildies were far from bad), but empirical evidence means null and I gotta always look at the data from logs to get my own opinion and judgment of how well a spec performs

[compact siren]

🫃

[next ruin]

This is mythicstats

[clever belfry]

ruined my perfect flat line

[pulsar quest]

I am the reason they nerfed us in week 1 m+

[frozen berry]

Dude, I still pull aggro on some fights, I died to add aggro on our Mythic Rash kill awhile back lol.

[south kayak]

I’m thinking about how insane that dh funnel is, you could kill a boss very fast if you pulled as many trash as possible together

[terse minnow]

also a 10%+ gap on top parse is pretty big so i dont understand the hate honestly

[oblique trail]

I really do not see how it can be a mix of both, when they explicity stated that warrior was among the worst for M+ #fury message based on data and not feels

[chilly fractal]

Yea I died on my last Broodtwister rekill… them crabs man…

[frozen berry]

Isn't Fury like 15-20% behind on ST?

[south kayak]

No

[fast mural]

i wish

[restive peak]

There in enhance about 20% ahead of everyone

And then everyone else is within like 5-7% of each other at the worst

Balance is never as bad as people make it out to be

[fast mural]

plot armour is very expensive and only applies to blue things

[frozen berry]

Oh, I'm talking bout live, not PTR

[restive peak]

I'm talking about live

Lol

[terse minnow]

gigabrain boomies complaining 24/7 and not getting nerfed

[pallid tinsel]

Yea I don’t think they gap is that insane on ptr for single target between enhance vs all others

[maiden ingot]

No boomies complaining 24/7 isn't a tactic, it's a character trait from birth.

[restive peak]

I meant class balance, but also boomies do cry a lot and always end up near the top

[south kayak]

Go check classic WoW statistics and you’ll see what bad balance looks like

[oblique trail]

Very misleading statistic to sort by damage to bosses in this tier especially

[upbeat plume]

depths of insanity is still crap with the new stuff on the ptr right?

[summer crater]

The top performers of fury weren't close to the top performers of many other specs, being able to do mythic 10s the first week doesn't change that particularly when even BM hunters did

[restive peak]

No enh is fairly fair now tbh

[south kayak]

Took a lot of nerfs lol

[pallid tinsel]

Yea it’s what a lot of streamers have said

[restive peak]

It's still very strong

[next ruin]

Well he was saying a lot of classes could do more overall back then, I don't really care but it was true you did no damage outside of cooldowns. So bad play and bad pulling prolly caused people to do very low damage compare to ret

[pallid tinsel]

That’s good tho

[restive peak]

Like still upper tier, may see meta play, but it's not egregious

Right now it's fucking egregious in M+

[terse minnow]

bayesians vs frequentist KEKW

[edgy widget]

it's not really better per se, but it is seeing increased use just because we have the talent point to spare (from not putting as much emphasis on bleeds or odyn's fury)

[south kayak]

It’s strong but it’s “someone has to be the first strong “

[next ruin]

It's like fire mage when someone doesn't know how to play fire mage. The dps is very low

[restive peak]

I'd say fire mage is likely going to be the #1 M+ spec this tier

But I could see Fire/Enh/Lock as the 3

Or Feral instead of enh, tbh

[frozen berry]

How so? Without adds to pad on Fury is suffering ST aren't they?

[south kayak]

I think they should soft cap ignite

[restive peak]

MOTW, brez, tanky, great spread+prio dmg

[oblique trail]

Because this tier especially we played around add sets, and it was our job essentially for half the bosses

[upbeat plume]

ahh okay has there been a talent setup floated around for testing or things still pretty heavily up in the air? for both ST and MT?

[edgy widget]

#arms message swap to Fury, obviously

[upbeat plume]

aah thank you sir

[oblique trail]

We will as a direct result look awful for boss damage on a boss like Ansurek, or Broodtwister, when we use our CDs around add timings and not just to maximise our boss damage

[frozen berry]

True, I stayed aoe spec on every boss there was adds on. Was fun melting saving cds for adds and melting them as Slayer lol

[terse minnow]

dem boys are quick with the memes

[edgy widget]

it's misleading because "damage to bosses" still counts fights which are predominantly add heavy, meaning Fury is generally saving CDs for them and therefore performing worse on bosses

[frozen berry]

AH, didn't realize that's how they were calculating it.

[terse minnow]

tldr, just look at sikran or princess if you wanna talk about st

[edgy widget]

which is still not to say that Fury is particularly great vs a real single target boss like Sikran; in fact I'm pretty sure it's still the lowest or very close to it

[next ruin]

Will they meme you tho?

[edgy widget]

just that "damage to all bosses" itself is not always a good metric either

[summer crater]

BUT I WIN IF I GO IN HEROIC RAIDS

[edgy widget]

will who meme who?

[restive peak]

If you look at the pure ST bosses, the gap is very close on ST

Someone has to be top and someone has to be bottom

[edgy widget]

I don't think anyone will give a shit if you play Fury on Sikran

[terse minnow]

BUT I AM THE TOP DMG OF MY ROSTER ON SIKRAN SO THE SPEC IS GOOD

[sly crane]

veng/mw/fire/feral/enh

🤔

[next ruin]

People bullying someone cos he said fury damage has never been great in the war within using mythicstats and warcraftlgos data

[restive peak]

If we had never been nerfed, fury would be giga cranking overall and boss dam right now

[summer crater]

In mythic+

[next ruin]

You arrived saying fury is bad in st

[restive peak]

I think 2 casters

[edgy widget]

idk what you're talking about, but Fury damage has been great in TWW

[sly crane]

but priory you need priest/pal

[edgy widget]

its single target just isn't particularly great

[sly crane]

so idk

[restive peak]

This season is a bit meh for melee

[restive peak]

Using the term bullying when someone is trolling is a big stretch, friend

[compact siren]

fury has been solid so far

[next ruin]

Being the lowest is a bit worse than "not great" but your positivity is something I try to achieve everyday for real

[summer crater]

We were talking specifically about mythic+ not raids

[south kayak]

Have you seen havoc on ptr, majority of damage comes from funnel, it’s so funny

[restive peak]

I'm not happy with where we're at for M+ in S1, not in the slightest currently

[edgy widget]

someone has to be lowest, and Fury makes up for it in other areas so

[restive peak]

All of my final title keys, I was noticeably below my enh sham/boomie friends, but to say we're weak is just ridiculous

[terse minnow]

were you happy in the first week?

[restive peak]

If we had remained as the first week

[south kayak]

We’re never going to be meta as long as Cleave is capped to 5 targets

[restive peak]

We would've been DF S2 placement aka just outside the meta, extremely strong

[south kayak]

It’s that simple

[restive peak]

So yeah

[summer crater]

Nope

[sly crane]

I played prot on the 1st week

[restive peak]

And that's where S2 is looking for us

[terse minnow]

we'd still be way below ench right?

[restive peak]

So I'm happy

Absolutely enh is giga busted

[sly crane]

fully missed first week fury

[restive peak]

I truly believe enh only went unnerfed because of TGP

They say they don't base stuff on that...but they do.

Those teams practiced for months with the enh PI/Aug dmg

If they'd nerfed enhance 3 weeks before, it would've invalidated a lot of their practice.

[south kayak]

I’ll be happy if Meat cleaver is capped to 8 instead of 5

[edgy widget]

honestly though, one of the biggest problems with the modern World of Warcraft community is this insane over emphasis on "hypothetical optimization" - this idea that you can't play the game if you're not playing the absolute best of everything optimized to the nth degree, which is frankly ridiculous

[terse minnow]

they could have nerfed it way earlier, i'd assume its just blizzard being blizzard

[restive peak]

If MC ever goes to 8, we will be nuked for ST

You will not be happy

[edgy widget]

it's actually kind of alarming how hard people think they need to optimize in order to be successful at the game

[restive peak]

I started going for title S2 of DF and have never missed since, no matter how weak or strong, people truly are ridiculous with this stuff.

[edgy widget]

and the ironic part is the people preaching it the hardest are usually the people who aren't playing at that level in the first place

[restive peak]

Our limit was 18/19s

[covert blaze]

you can move the %, right?

[terse minnow]

problem is that most pugs groups are lobotomized by meta and R1 players

[restive peak]

As in that's where we fell off

[edgy widget]

heroic mode heroes who don't step into mythic, people who don't go higher than +10 or maybe the occasional +12

[south kayak]

I don’t see how that’s possible considering Outlaw’s ST is more than fine when their cleave is 8 capped

[edgy widget]

hence why I said it's a community problem

[restive peak]

Outlaw ST is usually pretty volatile

[terse minnow]

and you cant argue that picking a prot pal, sham and an aug isnt enabling the easy mode

[humble plover]

That's why if they do they need to lower the cleave amount. Make it 8 but only like 35-40% damage instead

[upbeat plume]

I got into a good guild that unless something is legitamtely mechanically broken, you can pretty much play what you want and we get CEs every teir so it all works out

[restive peak]

I would argue at a 14 level, it really isn't

Because those people might suck

[edgy widget]

we're at the point where people think that a 5-10% difference is world shattering, when in reality you'll often see bigger swings than that based on pull-to-pull RNG and who gets targeted by what during an encounter

[pastel flax]

If I don't fully optimize my +6 key so that we can barely 1 chest I swear to god!!!

[south kayak]

That’s because any downtime hurts them more than anyone and they have some rng involved

[restive peak]

Then we lose our niche of 5T, there's a tradeoff,

[terse minnow]

yea but they dont need to be good to make the game easier, thats the point

[edgy widget]

idk what that means

[upbeat plume]

yeah boss mechanics, and mechanic rng have more impact on dps then spec most of the time

especially in mythic

[restive peak]

People should truly look at their sims variances, it would do wonders for their mentality

[terse minnow]

i wont say comp matter for a 14 thats not my point you can time it with anything, im just saying some comps make it easier

[restive peak]

RNG factors into a lot, including mechanic assignments

[humble plover]

Not amazing at that anyways so /shrug

[covert blaze]

thats fine
not like we own in exactly 5t above all else or anything

[restive peak]

a 95 parse with 3 mechanics vs a 100 with 0 is equal at the worst

[edgy widget]

the game is not so hard that everything needs to be optimized to the nth degree, at least outside of week 1 race to world first stuff

[terse minnow]

yes mate i defo agree

[restive peak]

We do on PTR

[south kayak]

I am more than okay with losing that niche tbh, there could also be options to choose either 5 or 8 targets

[edgy widget]

even in heavy M Raid prog, the 300 pull bosses almost always come down to mechanical mastery, not eking out 5% more damage

[clever belfry]

more damage does allow for more mistakes tho

an early death, some cds improperly used on some adds etc

[edgy widget]

to a point yes, but that works both ways - less mistakes also allow for less damage

[clever belfry]

its far from necessary tho

[restive peak]

To highlight what archi is saying, Max frequently admits they discovered a class/spec may be better later into prog but decide the change and relearning is less value

[edgy widget]

I've had the 0.16% wipes, and yeah if someone were doing just a little bit more damage, we would have got the kill

but if 5 people hadn't died early, we also would have gotten the kill

yet we always hyper focus on the measurable aspect - "you're playing X instead of Y!" instead of the fucker who is catjamming to his spotify playlist instead of paying attention to callouts or boss mechanics

[restive peak]

But for anyone who's worried...you can safely be excited for S2, we are notably stronger than now

[covert blaze]

fair then, but i dont think fighting exactly 5 targets is super common or super relevaant

[edgy widget]

5 targets is more common than 8 targets, tbf

[hardy bluff]

on your average weekly key you do alot of 5 target fighting

[restive peak]

And to even further highlight Archis point...there have been times where arms is better for prog, and I only ever swapped during Nzoth, otherwise I'm been top 50ish several times remaining fury and mostly ignoring arms outside meme reclears. It's not a decider unless you're Liquid/Echo/Method

[south kayak]

with the amount of big pulls next season, idk

[next ruin]

This is raid oriented and less and less people play the raid. Not playing meta in m+ feels more and more like griefing, especially when all your friends play meta

dungeons you do more than dps, and if your group can't sooth can't cc can dispell, can decurse can't skip can't cheese. Keys are harder 🤷

[frozen berry]

Do we know yet which hero spec is doing better at what? Bascially same as S1?

[restive peak]

Every single huge pull has 1-2 BIG prio targets, and we crank prio

[edgy widget]

idk man @restive peak and @mossy fox manage to get title as a Warrior

[terse minnow]

are you guys saying that fury is playable tho? or we are talking about arms? S2 wise

[modest condor]

people really dont have to be as scared of big pulls as they are right now

[restive peak]

Same as S1, slayer for raid, thane M+

Fury is beyond playable

It's very good

[terse minnow]

thanks

[modest condor]

dungeons are not 80% uncapped pulls, more like 30% or something

[summer crater]

Yes, but arms is comparatively better

[frozen berry]

Slayer still ahead in ST?

[modest condor]

and for the rest fury is absolutely blasting

[south kayak]

Remember Reaping

I did not like that as fury

[modest condor]

yes

[restive peak]

My boss damage on PTR is fucking insane compared to others, and competitive on overall

[south kayak]

Not one bit

[restive peak]

I'm talkin like 2.5mil to 2.1 for the others insane

[edgy widget]

People really don't understand how huge the rotational ability buffs are

[modest condor]

tbh i think reaping in general is the most overrated seasonal affix

[restive peak]

110%, we are actually nutty for ST damage in AOE in current S2 tuning

[edgy widget]

they see -5% nerf and think its the end of the world
without realizing that BT/RB/Rampage/Execute got upward 50% buffs

[modest condor]

it wasnt bad but it was a whole load of nothing

[restive peak]

The nerfs are annoying but honestly...probably deserved man

[humble plover]

Oh yeah, I think reaping in hindsight was giga ass

[frozen berry]

TY. But I've been Fury since vanilla(sides in BC/early LK when I was forced to go prot) so Fury>>>Arms for me 😛

[edgy widget]

I think Arms will be a lot more fun next season, especially Col in M+, but I am still more fond of Fury in general

not a huge fan of Slarms, unfortunately

[inner zinc]

i dunno, still think it sucks they nerfed a lot of abilities that frankly probably could have used a buff in that 5% nerf

[restive peak]

Arms is definitely more enjoyable S2 as well, not being a bleed spec is nice, demolish is...growing on me

[south kayak]

I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone get the amount of rotational ability buffs fury and arms got this entire PTR cycle lol

[edgy widget]

it's a pretty insignificant nerf though

[restive peak]

But AM fury is so fun man, and we crank

[terse minnow]

gimme bfa s4 corruption arm backs

dem ToM

[sly crane]

make rend on arms automatic and I'd enjoy it more

[summer quail]

you don't like highrolling jugg? xD(tho idk if you were only talking m+)

[restive peak]

Well then why bother having rend

[sly crane]

remove it then works too

[restive peak]

There are ways to spread rend easily, plus sub 35% it is effectively automatic

[frozen berry]

Wait...Rend isn't applied by ur abilties as Arms?! As prot you apply Rend just by Thunderclapping o.O

[upbeat plume]

now having checked the ptr talent builds, is AM now the go to or is RA still competitive

[hardy bluff]

arms does the same

[restive peak]

AM for M+, RA/AM for raid will be fight design dependent

[edgy widget]

I just don't like gamey stuff in general, and I don't like how mediocre its Bladestorm is outside of Unhinged

[restive peak]

AM can slightly highroll

[frozen berry]

Ah..tells you how much I play Arms lol

[restive peak]

As in on a perfect target dummy, AM wins

[edgy widget]

AM is slightly better in general, but it's very likely RA will be the play on some fights just due to encounter timing (tbd)

[restive peak]

But you're going to get mechanics and downtime, so RA might win

[terse minnow]

i cba RA, AM is more suited for my mouthbreather brain

[modest condor]

RA and AM are crazy close right now

[summer quail]

agreed. jugg highrolling for me is the worst part about slarms, wish colossus was the play in all content

[edgy widget]

not just the highrolling, but the delay to keep rolling it

[south kayak]

Idk if you saw but in the most recent notes they said they some of the changes/fixes weren’t pushed to PTR yet, including the havoc funnel double dipping

[edgy widget]

RA is a lot diff in 11.1 fwiw

[summer quail]

yee i did

just forgor to respond to you earlier

[summer crater]

The latest changes come on 25

[south kayak]

[terse minnow]

yea i gotta look into that, thanks

[upbeat plume]

on the ptr? and yeah Ill wait till the math comes out but if they are about where they are now Ill just do wtv, I like RA alot, obviously for add fights AM can swing really hard though

[summer crater]

They're in the hotfix but they're not enabled server-side

Same with warrior and hunter nerfs

[next ruin]

What about m+for the same question

[south kayak]

Main reason I dislike Slarms in aoe is the aoe damage is not good due to how bad BS is in aoe

[edgy widget]

most likely AM all the way; last check I think RA was like 3% behind though, so definitely playable if the misalignment annoys you

[south kayak]

I’ve seen crit press Bs in a big aoe and his dps barely changed

[summer crater]

Yeah because the nerf comes when the patch goes live

[south kayak]

Wrong reply?

[edgy widget]

wut

[restive peak]

AM is the play in M+ for sure

The nerf is applied to the PTR

[edgy widget]

the -5% is def on PTR right now

[south kayak]

Some things aren’t

But yeah that is

[summer crater]

It's in the patch but it's not enabled

[edgy widget]

it is

[south kayak]

It is

[restive peak]

Neffy has to be trolling man

[edgy widget]

its in the spell data

[summer crater]

Yes, but it's not enabled server side

[south kayak]

The havoc nerf isn’t, unless they didn’t fix the bug properly

[terse minnow]

[south kayak]

Who knows

[edgy widget]

yes it is, you don't know what you're talking about

[next ruin]

Okay thank you, proper play will be to send on cd even if misaligned?

[restive peak]

It is, it's just still very strong lol

[summer crater]

It's exactly the same for hunter, their 8% nerf isn't in yet either, even if it's in the logs

[edgy widget]

generally, but there are caveats - are there big pulls coming up, etc etc

[edgy widget]

friend, trust me when I say I know way more about this than you do

[south kayak]

I’m pretty sure people were saying the damage didn’t change at all so idk

[restive peak]

Proper play always comes down to nuance and factors, in general you'll send on CD

[summer crater]

Yeah I don't care what you claim, it isn't in, compare notes

[fast mural]

[south kayak]

[restive peak]

But if there's a big pull, or a big DPS phase, or you're within a certain timeframe of the others....you hold sometimes

[snow edge]

Oh boy

[twilit pelican]

😆

[south kayak]

Uh oh

[young swan]

[restive peak]

I'm back to wanting to buy this dude a helmet

It took 30mins

[summer crater]

"The following changes will arrive alongside the patch (February 25 in this region):"

[fast mural]

thats for live

[next ruin]

Ofc theres still some Feely craft. I just really dislike some misalignement like aff where u have a 45s one and 60s and you hold 15s each time. Great we don't have to do that

[south kayak]

This is for live, not PTR

[twilit pelican]

haha this guy

[restive peak]

On live, it arrives on the 25th...just like all the other PTR changes

LMAO

[summer crater]

They're not enabled

[restive peak]

I'm dying dude

[edgy widget]

that was them saying that the hotfixes weren't going to be pushed to live until then

[sinful spoke]

Why is bro arguing with archi of all ppl

[edgy widget]

so that people wouldn't get confused between live and PTR tuning

[south kayak]

Some trolling going on here

No way

[fast mural]

let him

[terse minnow]

wait a sec im grabbing popcorn again

[sinful spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/german-cat-gif-4365234429694123050

[inner zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-comendo-picoca-gif-9669437860846841235

[modest condor]

people dont manually change the spelldata in simcraft, that's all automatic, if it's in the sims then it's on the ptr

[summer quail]

idk, havoc bug not fixed on ptr according to yoda stream

[south kayak]

Can you see if the havoc bug fix is in the sims or what

[summer crater]

They're not in

[restive peak]

@summer quail asked Yoda, he says havoc isn't

[hardy bluff]

the bug doesnt affect single target

[restive peak]

Which means havoc gonna be very mid cuz he's not winning now

[summer crater]

The stereotype about warriors is actually true

[south kayak]

???

[summer quail]

yeye

[south kayak]

I can’t

[restive peak]

Havoc back to mid then

hahahaha

[south kayak]

I like the idea of that passive

Big pulls for big funnel

It’s not gonna be as strong after fix but still decently good

[restive peak]

It's ok, Shamlinc and Lincmagician will be the alts

Maybe Feralinc

[south kayak]

Lol

[summer quail]

definetely feralinc

feral is cracked rn

[south kayak]

Are those the real names lol

[restive peak]

Fuck yeah bro

My names are goated

My rogue is Invisalinc

[fast mural]

if feral is good we gonna have boomie meltdowns

[summer quail]

have you seen meteos play feral? shits crazy

[next ruin]

Have you played it Recently? Something really feels off as feral

[south kayak]

Sounds like Invisalign

I played feral for a bit this season

Pretty fun but I also got boring quick

[restive peak]

Feral is actually cracked as fuck on PTR rn

[pastel flax]

I grew up watching the dude killing it playing JG in League of Legends, I was so surprised to see recently that he was also the top feral in the world lmfao

[restive peak]

Meteos is goated

[restive peak]

That's the joke boo

[summer quail]

yeah he's been a feral one trick for a loong time now

[sinful spoke]

Yeah you’re proving it

[summer quail]

insane player

[next ruin]

I always love watching psybear play feral. The dude has no add-ons, vanilla ui, play non meta build, non meta rotation as feral. And the guy just pumps

[summer crater]

You're actually some idiot cult member, your heroes can be wrong moron

[pastel flax]

I think I partially didn't know is because he played it on an alternate stream, I only had his main followed

[restive peak]

Psybear is also goated

[sinful spoke]

Woahhh

Bro is angy

[hardy bluff]

so can yours

[south kayak]

Is it Claw or wildstalker

I love claw

[restive peak]

Claw

[south kayak]

Big ravages

[sinful spoke]

Bro linked a screenshot from some random

[restive peak]

It's like bite spam apparently

[sinful spoke]

And called it facts

[fast mural]

this is what playing BM does to your brain

[sinful spoke]

Like who the fuck is that

[south kayak]

Yeah it’s similar to now

[restive peak]

I wanna play around w totemic enh

Looks giga strong, and fun, and a bit less weird than right now

Right now is fun but it's weird

[south kayak]

I’m gonna be maining enha and warrior as an alt

[next ruin]

Basically nothing changed really

[south kayak]

Totemic went from big burst every 2 mins to consistent damage on PTR

[restive peak]

I LOVEEEEE

Consistent dmg

[junior gale]

DH is a lot of fun in 11.1

[restive peak]

FUCK YAS BAE

[junior gale]

my fav melee spec rn

[south kayak]

It’s very fun, I tried it on ptr

[summer quail]

ye, not needing totemic relocation or whatever it's called is really nice

[south kayak]

Every time you drop totem, you get hot hands for 8 seconds, and lava lash with HH sends sundering

Which in turn procs the totem

[restive peak]

That's gonna be a blaster too

[next ruin]

What are the top consistent damage spec on ptr rn? And the best st one out of them. I'd love to play this damage profile and I think this is fury (I'd go for a burst ST oriented if there's no other st oriented consistent)

[restive peak]

Fury is probably the most stable, even keeled DPS number

Noone really knows what #1 is, balance actually seems pretty close

[modest condor]

fdk is also very consistent from what ive heard

[warm crag]

genuine question why do you want a flat damage profile

[restive peak]

Fire mage is the only standout I've seen played super well

[summer quail]

fire,boomkin

[south kayak]

The 45 second damage spec?

[modest condor]

idk anything about fdk

whatever spec allows them to do consistent damage

[next ruin]

I also like Toyotas over sports car

[warm crag]

i feel like there are literally no upsides to it ever, especially fun wise where you get peeled away from the boss for 5 secs for a mechanic and your fun and dps is gone

[covert blaze]

fdk is playing obliteration with no breath iirc

[summer quail]

i think they play rider now? so just has damage all the time

tho not fully sure

[fast mural]

is ret still gonna be a 30s spec

[restive peak]

I personally enjoy flat dps profiles, IDK why but to this day DF S2 was my fav the spec has been. It's not about what makes the most sense, it's just a personal enjoyment thing; my dopamine gets off on slowly climbing to the top 3 every fight as others yo-yo

[next ruin]

I hate the lows more than I like the highs if you want a real answer

[summer quail]

not a dk player

[south kayak]

Really? No breath?

Sheesh

Is 2h oblit

Send talents

[summer quail]

dual wield oblit i think

[fast mural]

from what i heard its dual wield oblit

[south kayak]

Oh that makes sense

That talent that makes you proc some damage on auto attack crits

Too good

[terse minnow]

i get you mate, bursty specs are frustrating to me. feel in a wheelchair when off cd and die of aggro when you can blast

[covert blaze]

https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bqcTJX5mf7etjqA6MbMPJR/simc

[next ruin]

I only play m+ tho

[sly crane]

feels weird to read this, had no idea

[hasty tide]

pretty crazy how much blizz hates bladestorm

im tired of using ravager

[restive peak]

Bladestorm still used for slayer homeskillet

[south kayak]

I’m on phone can you link wowhead talents pls

[next ruin]

And for the best ST damage in a m+ set up rn?

[hasty tide]

i'm m+ only andy unfortunately

so only got to use it for like 2 weeks in S1

[dull sierra]

just play slayer in m+

[south kayak]

Doesn’t fdk have similar talent builds between st and aoe

[restive peak]

Yeah if you're not doing title level you can slayer lol

[dull sierra]

even at title level i think noxiv was playing slayer

[next ruin]

He was also playing with a team that played around his burst

[restive peak]

No noxiv swapped to thane near the topend

[hasty tide]

thane alot more forgiving especially when not pushing high keys lol

[south kayak]

Now I don’t want to be ungrateful

But what is this

[dull sierra]

ahh i stopped paying attention

[covert blaze]

thats the website i linked

if you bothered to open it

[next ruin]

You might also just sim thane with bladestorm. Might be less overall loss than slayer

[south kayak]

I’m on phone so it’s very hard to do shit

I opened it

[covert blaze]

skill issue

[south kayak]

Thanks tho

[covert blaze]

shattering blade rider

with no breath

[south kayak]

I assume you take the aoe shatter thing

For aoe

Frost strike aoe

[covert blaze]

i think i deleted my shattering blade plater script

reeee

[south kayak]

There’s one in acherus discord

[covert blaze]

yeah ill have to look into it again

[south kayak]

-50$

[frozen berry]

sus

lol, did he get modded?

[smoky vale]

hi

i woke up

[hardy bluff]

gm gio

[smoky vale]

gm

[south kayak]

Congratulations

I am going to sleep

[smoky vale]

goodnight

[dense elbow]

Gio bakk

[smoky vale]

:3

[edgy widget]

Sorry I had to step away for a minute, but since you asked, let's compare notes - I'm gonna use Heroic Throw here, because it's a really simple/static ability without many modifiers, and the most min/maxed gear set this side of the PTR

My Heroic Throw has an unbuffed tooltip value of 6,026. Now that doesn't tell us much, but we can do a little backwards math to check the values

• First you want the AP formula, which is (Primary Stat + Weapon DPS * 6) * AP Coefficient * Damage Multipliers
• in my case, that's (17,647 + 1.2 * 6) = 17,654.2 ap * 0.35 coeff = 6,178.9
• now we apply various damage modifiers including DW Spec (6%), Versatility (if I had any), and talents (of which there aren't any), giving us 6,178.9 * 1.06 = 6,549.6
• now we apply the spec aura, which if it were still -3% would be 6,549.6 * 0.97 = 6,353.1, but clearly that's incorrect
• instead, it's actually -8% now, which is 6,549.6 * 0.92 = 6,025.7 matching the expected tooltip value

[hardy bluff]

Ok but some random said it's not in yet

[pulsar quest]

sounds like a bunch of feelings to me

[edgy widget]

the game has absolutely no mechanism for "in the spell data, but not enabled" - barring obscure bugs (things not hooked up right), if it's in the spell data, it's in game

That doesn't mean that everything is necessarily in - just because they did/not push one change doesn't mean another hasn't hit yet, but this one is most definitely there

[next ruin]

One thing you can credit him for is doubting blizzard when they say they have done some work

Or things work as intended on the ptr

[edgy widget]

I don't give him credit for anything, because he wasn't doubting Blizzard, he was blindly parroting someone else's assertion

[next ruin]

Tried to be funny my bad

[edgy widget]

and to be fair, that other person might not have been wrong - I don't have the first clue if Hunter changes or anyone else's are in - nor do I really care, I just focus on my stuff

[pulsar quest]

i swear that guy is just a double agent who came in here to start shit all day lol

[modest condor]

i recognized his name he's been weird before

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[undone flower]

Did I read correctly the dude who was saying flat earth theory about nerf not being enabled lol

[edgy widget]

I didn't see that part, but that would have made it all the better

[undone flower]

I will happily eat my popcorns and see what they are talking about with his source

[edgy widget]

na he's not gonna come back till the next argument

[undone flower]

Nah I meant I know who ceo of dungeons is

It’s Hunter disc

[edgy widget]

I know who it is too, but I don't know the context of that screenshot - they might have looked after the changes were announced but before they actually hit, they might have conflated a numbers change elsewhere, or they really might not have been pushed to Hunter at the same time or at all - I haven't the first clue (but I also don't care all that much)
they also just could have been mistaken, shit happens and we all make mistakes

[fickle bluff]

oh wow what have i missed

[undone flower]

that was the flat earth type theory i was talking about on their discussion

[edgy widget]

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