fury

[wraith wharf]

..hoping the execute buff that was in updates and noone is talking about stayed in too

[sullen dove]

Turn execute into an onslaught and it’s absolute cinema

[random hill]

thats a cool idea

[sullen dove]

just instantly fixes that button me thinks

sudden deaths feel impactful cause it does much bigger damage and you’re not spamming it on cooldown in exe like maybe 10sec cd but if it’s strong it makes you want to hit it

[flat river]

do u guys think we will use onslaught again?

[random hill]

no

[flat river]

aw

[wraith wharf]

considering the season 2 current set bonus.. no

[high echo]

give old execute back tbh.. this one is laggy

[sullen dove]

vc bb/bt still prolly the majority of execute phase dam but giving exe more flavor and power like that should only be a win win

[high echo]

or

give the sweeping execute arms has

they did one good animation in shadowlands and they kept slapping it on everything

onslaught should have colossus smash animation 2 h don't @ me

[sullen dove]

that’d b kinda neat

Weird with 2 2handers tho

Be kind of like a final strike of rampage but you jump i guess

[nimble ermine]

body slam your target like gragas when you press onslaught

[slim coral]

No I just tested it, its still ass

[random hill]

thats what i want em to do sth about SMF

i wish we would use 1 handers ngl

[nimble ermine]

no

[random hill]

and fast attack

[high echo]

onslaught is pvp oly

[whole yacht]

disgusting. go play rogue

[high echo]

only

[jade cipher]

Tenderize also doesnt seem cool at all

[dapper goblet]

more warrior buffs when warrior is already the most op class in the game

cant make this shit up

[slim coral]

Come back to warrior now

you can play it before it gets nerfed after the first week

[outer rover]

Whirlwind + 30%. Crazy buff. We are meta now

[high echo]

hanged upside down and shot

[whole yacht]

if warrior is the most op in the game, im the richest man on the planet

[nimble ermine]

hello elon musk

[runic cypress]

Onslaught buffed

[random hill]

thats a filler xD

[runic cypress]

Lets go baby

[whole yacht]

sup

[random hill]

theres nowhere to go buddy xd

[vernal laurel]

Really good that they buffed Thunder Blast, that was really needed, seeing as the lightning strike damage basicly always was higher

[warped bone]

Hmmge

[jade cipher]

warrior is in its hoe phase. devs trying everything till they settle

[warped bone]

slam kekw

[runic cypress]

Where going all the way back to the bottom of the meters

[jade cipher]

and i bet none of them actually play warrior

[runic cypress]

Strap in baby its gonna be a bumpy ride

[glad coyote]

Move buffs baby!!!

[random hill]

I rly wish to see a warrior in S tier 1 time in m+ meta

[vernal laurel]

Everyone just sandbag the first few weeks, and we will avoid what happened in s1 when we were to good for heroic dungeons

[glad coyote]

Hopefully

[random hill]

we were in DF prepatch but that doesnt matter at all

[whole yacht]

same

[random hill]

and we had to cheese 2 sets

[runic cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/we-are-the-music-makers-we-are-the-dreamers-of-dreams-music-makers-music-dreamers-gif-17140466036812502346

Just close your eyes and dream about it

Its that easy

[random hill]

im dreaming for 20 years xd

[proven hornet]

warrior alive until 2 weeks into expansion let's fucking go 🔥

[jade cipher]

guys but this patch note actually means 25% thunderblast buff and 5% bloodthirst/bloodbath and rampage nerf

or am i missing something

maybe you should take the hype train over at arms

[slim coral]

@dapper goblet how big are the shaman nerfs?

[inner zinc]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/875594407892647956/1320963615230001232/Warrior_Banners.gif

[slim coral]

still S tier I'm assuming

[random hill]

same

they were broken on PTR

[covert blaze]

slur

[random hill]

so they were S++

now they are prolly S+

[hybrid summit]

Now we just need thunderclap glyph to work for fury

[dapper goblet]

blow up

[jade cipher]

question tho

are these buffs actually St damage loss?

[inner zinc]

WW got buffed by 30% for fury. We're so back

[opaque falcon]

More buffs!

[outer rover]

Yeah gamechanger

[flat river]

does this mean arms beats fury ST

[high echo]

not certain, fury was very strong st already

[jade cipher]

my question is is fury actually buffed or not in st

[slim coral]

honestly it'll probably be pretty close

arms might edge a little ahead but fury's tankiness is hard to beat in prog

[sinful spoke]

Instead of making assumptions inlet the giga nerds do the math

[opal zenith]

Probably an overall buff by a few percent.

[slim coral]

enraged regen is just really good compared to dbts or ignore pain

[opal zenith]

But we won't know until someone does the math

[flat river]

CRITCAKE GET ON IT

[jade cipher]

he is not the math guy

i think its a slight aoe gain and slight st loss for thane and thats about it for fury in this patch note

[sinful spoke]

Math guy is archnerd over here

[coarse nest]

Greg do fury math right?

Idr

[jade cipher]

Because whirlwind doesnt affect thane and strenght of the mountain doesnt affect slayer

onslaught affects nothing

[inner zinc]

So im assuming these buffs are on top of the hotfix buffs we got last week?

[sly crane]

god we are so back

[inner zinc]

pray we arent as good as S1 in raid

[flat river]

GREG GET ON IT

[inner zinc]

i still got the bruising from the nerf bat we got early this season

[upbeat plume]

so the BB bleed still dosent cleave with ww doesnt it

[opal zenith]

Has anyone actually checked if the other buffs made it through to this ptr?

[whole yacht]

i believe fury is still ahead of arms

on ST

[opal zenith]

That would be paiiiiiin

[upbeat plume]

that honestly scares me cause whenever thats the case they hit fury with a megaton nerf hammer

[whole yacht]

true

[upbeat plume]

or at least in recent patches

[jade cipher]

Slayer arms buff are huge tho

opportunist overpower hits like a truck n ow

[whole yacht]

had to relog

was gone 15 seconds

got kicked

from timewalking

[sly crane]

sit

[jade cipher]

and arms kinda spams execute in execute phase so 20% is huge, every 5 hit you are 1 execute ahead

[whole yacht]

i didnt even know people still vote to kick on stuff like that

like, a lvl 11 can 1 shot everything. who cares if someone relogs

[opal zenith]

All I know is that colossus demolish will be a very fun button to press with an evoker and steroided out.

[wind torrent]

why the fuck is the armor 730

[opal zenith]

Ooppsie

Just skipping a tier

[upbeat plume]

yeah I think they are kind of aiming for the other hero talents to be on top this patch to keep things varied both for arms and fury

[jade cipher]

i doubt slayer can catch up to colossus in dungeon and other way around for raid

[upbeat plume]

mmm Im not so sure especially because MS buffs work better for Colossus

and slayer got all of what? a 5% buff to opportunist

but the numbers will be in eventually lol

[whole yacht]

2nd time ive seen a piece of gear at 730 posted in less than 30 minutes

its probably just bugged.

[royal copper]

Would arms be great for M+?

[whole yacht]

it wont be bad

[opal zenith]

Lol

[whole yacht]

but idk if i would say "great"

too early to tell

[opal zenith]

Literally all my set vendor gear is 730

[random hill]

guys how much GBs ur wow folder is?

[jade cipher]

you're right but keep in mind that slayer does more execute before execute phase and has 30% baseline overpower damage and Colossus has to build that damage up to 50. but yeah numbers will come eventually

[random hill]

cuz mine at 260 oO

[whole yacht]

815

[royal copper]

Yeah okay.

[opal zenith]

Sitting just a bit under 700 ilvl

[whole yacht]

696?

[opal zenith]

Ye

[upbeat plume]

Im well aware, but the two are not that far apart right now, and most of the buffs and they are not small are to colossus

[whole yacht]

im a wizard

[opal zenith]

Too bad the weapons didn't go up that would have been fun

[jade cipher]

is this a good trade in your opinion guys?

[chrome relic]

https://tenor.com/view/deal-damn-good-deal-good-deal-id-make-that-deal-gif-27676387

[whole yacht]

yes

[jade cipher]

probably good for dungeon bad for raid

[wind torrent]

more uncapped dmg

[jade cipher]

but i dont think you thane in raid at all right

[upbeat plume]

you do for certain fights

[wind torrent]

slayer for raid more than likely

[whole yacht]

i would rather shave a sheep with my teeth, than play thane in raid

[upbeat plume]

but yeah slayers the more often pick

[chrome relic]

Slayer profile usually works better in raid

[jade cipher]

i liked thane with dungeon build without OF on second boss and court this tier ngl

[upbeat plume]

I think both are looking fairly strong going into the next patch compared to eachother at least

[whole yacht]

running thane on court, i did more damage, but i didnt like it. i would rather thane be exclusively for dungeons.

[opal zenith]

Lol just some casual 7 million blood bath crits in this bugged gear

[upbeat plume]

lol

[whole yacht]

hawt

[jade cipher]

but i hate the fact that blizzard puts certain playstyles miles ahead of others

i am sure i wont enjoy fury in dungeons next tier no matter the damage

[bleak bluff]

guys i think there is a big class tuning being uploaded right now

correct me if im wrong

[opal zenith]

Even with the buffs thunder blast is like 5% of my damage.

[high echo]

with these? nah

aoe buff tho

[whole yacht]

am literally gearing 3 alts right now, for this exact reason

just in case

[slim coral]

Yeah because ramp and bt were already pumping

My power into TB is what we need

[silk wharf]

WW +30%. now we are talking.

[jade cipher]

i think whirlwind should apply a 4 second very small dot for 30% of its damge. some uncapped damage

havent played myself but slayer in dungeons without OF seems like wet noodle

[frank dawn]

Thane is going to dump on it dungeons

[supple fractal]

hey what kind of build you guys running on the ptr? I've tried a few would like some ideas

[bleak bluff]

Fury
Whirlwind damage increased by 30%.
Onslaught damage increased by 30%.
Mountain Thane
Thunder Blast damage increased by 25%.
Strength of the Mountain increases Bloodthirst and Rampage damage by 25% (was 30%).

damn nice buffs!!!

[opaque falcon]

I hate onslaught

[opal zenith]

Still nobody gonna use it lol

That buff needed to be double.

[frank dawn]

Yeh pretty sure onslaught still bad. Just less bad if you really want it for some reason

[red berry]

yeah the onslaught buff is strange

it and execute need to just do

more

to be brought in

im glad thunder blast got a buff

[fast mural]

Did you forget about the 50% execute buff from last week

[red berry]

no

even with 50% its still doing less then raging blow

[frank dawn]

Yeh execute still mid

[red berry]

and even if it did a little bit more, you build two buffs with it

[fast mural]

Even with slayer strike stacks?

[red berry]

so it would need to hit even harder, or contribute to those buffs

[whole yacht]

still bad even with it

[red berry]

you'll still hit with slayer strikes and it is a slayer buff

it doesn't really up its relevance or anything

[glad coyote]

The ww buff is nice for slayer

[opal zenith]

Collosus warriors gonna have so much fun with this buff in m+. The gears semi broken but still managed a nearly 14 million last hit on demolish lol.

Sorry know were in fury x_x

[glad coyote]

Wonder if slayer is the m+ spec

[opal zenith]

Don't see why it would be.

[red berry]

slayer isn't bad for keys but thane is stronger and will remain so

for keys, anyway

[jolly marten]

they could buff WW for like 10000% and still noone will care

[red berry]

bring back merciless bonegrinder

[modest condor]

real

[red berry]

😭

[covert blaze]

nah

[upbeat plume]

I am curious what slayer will give up for sudden death in the talent tree for the cleave setup, since they made it so the hero talent stuff requires it now lol

[sinful spoke]

Is archi asleep i need him to to the maths i cant even do 2+2

[modest condor]

probably hns for the smallest dps loss or vc if you dont want to feel miserable

[upbeat plume]

I mean VC is already not taken in the most common cleave setup

[restive peak]

Dude I love VC

[covert blaze]

very happy SD is now required in aoe talents cause it will generate more cdr consistency

[upbeat plume]

I mean, its a straight up nerf so not super happy about it

cause it takes away from more powerful choices to simply activate something we got for free

[covert blaze]

you will get it more

[oak garden]

S2 Trinkets to go? question for the ptr player

[odd cipher]

eye of kezan and book

[upbeat plume]

getting it more is irrelevant cause you are still beholden to slayerstrike procs

[red berry]

yeah slayer didn't really need more SD procs

it is a nerf

[upbeat plume]

you only wanted to hit it at 3 stacks anyway

[restive peak]

Energy drink goated, white monster trinket yes pls

[covert blaze]

regular monster or bust

[restive peak]

Zhai

Honestly man

Just

[inner shadow]

any lore savant in the chat?

[restive peak]

https://tenor.com/view/just-get-out-of-here-go-go-leroy-brown-assisted-living-s4-e2-go-away-gif-9636572612298392823

[upbeat plume]

oh well at least I know that the RA bleed cleaves now

[fervent bough]

sugar free monster sucks

[upbeat plume]

good stuff

[inner shadow]

i'm tryna find out about xalata'th, is she immortal, or stronger than Sargeras?

[south kayak]

Think Arms might overtake fury now xdd

both are strong though

[covert blaze]

kiss me instead

[whole yacht]

im tryna find out what them feets do

[whole yacht]

i dont think it will.

[south kayak]

wdym, it definitely can

[restive peak]

Not with that battery acid taste in your mouth

[covert blaze]

the usual

[oak garden]

book?

[whole yacht]

can and will are not the same thing. which is why i said "THINK" not. "it wont"

[covert blaze]

kidney failure speedrun any %

[inner shadow]

her power derives from sargeras' blade. so technically she is a lot weaker than sargeras

[summer quail]

think he means house of cards by "book"

[whole yacht]

idc about all that. i need more feet shots

[odd cipher]

ye, the one that gives mastery on use

[south kayak]

ST is pretty equal but aoe might go for arms since colossus has uncapped aoe for the most part

[oak garden]

what you thin weapon wise endboss for sure and one from m+?

[oak garden]

Raiddrop if yes which boss?

[red berry]

ive never had monster tbh

[restive peak]

Such a myth dawg

[wary fjord]

wait, where did it say TB got nerfed?

[south kayak]

It doesn't

Maybe it's a typo

I just saw that too lol

[modest condor]

yeah i think there's something missing from there

[opaque falcon]

-12% nerf

wtf

[ocean ingot]

how does TB 25% increase result in a -12% nerf?

[primal python]

this isn't it

[wary fjord]

weird

[covert blaze]

kidney failure speedrun any %

[golden kiln]

Could be a mistake

This is the blizz post

Nvm my phone hates me

Blizz said it was buffed

[south kayak]

Bazed just posted some breakdowns since PTR went up and his TB damage went up too

so this has to be a mistake

@slim coral

[static rock]

This really only affects mythic+ if it's true, might be to bring back MT to fall in line with slayer

[glad coyote]

Sigh only thing I care about is m+

[wary fjord]

the blue post said they buffed it 25%

i think its an error

[golden kiln]

For those confused

[glad coyote]

Yeah that's weird

[golden kiln]

Could be a datamining mistake, maybe the aura was nerfed with a counter buff large enough to equal 25%

[pulsar quest]

im so confused why they would nerf thunder blast

[golden kiln]

They aren’t

Their intentions is to buff it

[slim coral]

TB is buffed

not nerfed

[pulsar quest]

is it nerfing thunder blast but buffing lightning strike or something

[glad coyote]

Well arch just said it's nerf by 11%

[pulsar quest]

i see

[static rock]

Until archi says differently, Imma assume it's nerfed

[glad coyote]

Sames

[golden kiln]

It’s early datamining, I’m going off the official blizz notes first for their intentions before I go off the first wave of digging

[pulsar quest]

he just edited it

its normal now

[slim coral]

the datamining is wrong

[static rock]

yay

[slim coral]

I've tested it myself

[modest condor]

it's not wrong, just unclear

what the datamining says is that they added another effect to the fury aura

[slim coral]

I mean TB hit harder when I tested it

[static rock]

so did we get a buff, or that the nerf was negated?

[slim coral]

I just told you it got buffed

[storm rune]

holy shit boys WW buff, we in it now

[static rock]

Man, I'd love for onslaught+AM to be good again, would be nice to see it return

[slim coral]

yeah uh ons was still ass

even with 30%

[low phoenix]

quick question boys, how is warrior dps in 11.1? are we cooked or still hopeful?

[golden kiln]

So basically, we’re looking good in aoe and st damage wise next season, I smell a nerf before raid even opens lmao

[slim coral]

it's very good

[low phoenix]

very good even?

[slim coral]

huh?

[summer quail]

yea raid drop. drops from one armed bandit

[low phoenix]

what spec do u think will preform the best in raid?

[slim coral]

hard to say

if the sim's end up being close I'd say fury in terms of survivability

[modest condor]

probably the one that has the best damage profile for the boss you're fighting

[slim coral]

but arms will probably be higher number if I had to guess

[glad coyote]

Hope we are top tier for m+

[primal python]

there's some add fights fury will shine on and arms execute might be really good on one-armed bandit and mug'zee + some 2T on bandit

[blissful delta]

HAHA

[primal python]

think we'll play both for sure

[whole yacht]

YOULL play both

ill be fury

[summer quail]

think mugzee mythic might be a fury might. lots of adds

[modest condor]

the datamining doesnt say it got nerfed, effect 16 doesnt exist on live so it's just a straight 14% buff, the 30% must be from some previous effect that got removed but still existed at the backend or something

[slim coral]

I didn't see the datamining numbers only the patch notes so I didn't know

I just knew that if people were seeing it as a nerf then they were wrong

[south kayak]

That’s so dumb, TB needs more than a 14% buff

[modest condor]

it's weird that they say 25% buff but then buff it by 14%

[slim coral]

probably just a mistake

it'll probably get fixed since they posted their intended buff

[south kayak]

[primal python]

mug'zee is not really an add fight you have a couple people per elemental and seldom a couple sentries at most 2T but can't even stack boss on elementals so hard doubt, and p3 boss goes ham so might lust and burn there

[modest condor]

i doubt it, but at least we'll be more competitive than s1

[jolly marten]

does now onslaught worth picking it?

[modest condor]

no

[restive peak]

Onslaught dead thank god

[slim coral]

it's honestly hilarious how bad the damage is from it

[clever belfry]

it should fuck more than CB yep

[cerulean hornet]

They could've buffed onslaught by 100% and i still wouldn't take it

[modest condor]

it was already not worth it and now the other abilities got buffed by over 40% while onslaught got buffed by only 30%

i think with a 100% buff it would be worth taking

[south kayak]

Yeah

[jolly marten]

yeah but it buffs your rampage to

[south kayak]

OF too

[cerulean hornet]

I'd consider it with a 100% buff and a capstone follow up that was worth

[glad coyote]

Thats all I care about

[red berry]

now make that 14% actually 25%

[slim coral]

Ons needs some kind of special effect

it's basically just slam for fury

[red berry]

onslaught does need a little love. would be nice to have capstones that actually matter

[primal python]

just needs to be changed to siegebreaker

[covert blaze]

how are capstones do bad

[south kayak]

They’re doodoo

[stiff torrent]

So in short its just going to be ''play arms for raid'' yeah? Outside of some new broodtwister kind of fight?

[modest condor]

who knows

[whole yacht]

if youre weak willed yeah. if youre a MAN youll play fury

[modest condor]

afaik fury still sims higher than arms

[winter shoal]

arms or fury?

[modest condor]

yes

[red berry]

what if i am not a man

do i reroll

[whole yacht]

yeah you go enh shaman

[red berry]

my bad

[whole yacht]

its ok

[winter shoal]

1-10 how surprised are you at no fury nerf?

[smoky vale]

hi

[silk wharf]

IM sure like last time we will get hit just as raid releases and then cascaded progressive nerfs.

[smoky vale]

im a big fan of your work

[modest condor]

2

[winter shoal]

based

[slim coral]

Uh guys

I think they broke item level

[modest condor]

naah that's clearly fine

[winter shoal]

Did the stats change at all or no

[slim coral]

I'm 700 item level lmao

[whole yacht]

8th one ive seen people post 😦

[slim coral]

just more stats I think

atleats when I compare to the weapon but idk

[winter shoal]

Crazy work

[slim coral]

the main stat

[winter shoal]

Blizzard attempts to have a stable environment with reasonable version control challenge (impossible)

[red berry]

wasnt there a bug some people had on live where

item level of gear just jumped

i dont remember specifically what it was

[inner zinc]

is it a typo in the update channel saying Tblast is being buffed by 14% but its 25% on the blue post?

[slim coral]

blizz most likely meant to buff by 25 percent but only updated by 14 percent currently so no it's not a typo

It is possible they meant to put 14 in the blue post but idk

[inner zinc]

time to doom

[modest condor]

not the first time the things they said and the things they did are different

[winter shoal]

Possible the 25% was a separate scaling vector so it's a net 14% more (based on what Archi said here #arms message )

Additive vs multiplicative type shit

[modest condor]

no they just added a new effect that buffs it by 14%

[winter shoal]

Oh idk then

Blizzard technical processes kinda wack

[south kayak]

Can please just get accurate information in patch notes for fucks sake

[winter shoal]

#fury message

[south kayak]

No way in hell is 14% TB buff enough anyway

[smoky vale]

GUYS WHO IS PLAYING PANTS

[south kayak]

Hell, 25 isn’t

[smoky vale]

ARE YOU PLAYING PANTS????

[south kayak]

Did you see Aug nerfs

What is pants

[modest condor]

for what

[smoky vale]

-6.7%

[south kayak]

TB

[smoky vale]

[winter shoal]

All I'm saying is if I fucked up a branch strategy/cherry-picking from a PTR to live at work, I'd get chewed out for sure. If I also fucked up the patch notes, I'd get chewed out again

If I did both of those multiple times on sequential releases, I'd be finding a new job

[modest condor]

yeah but not enough for what

[south kayak]

I guess ST prio

[modest condor]

like yeah sure it's not enough to make TB the strongest ability on st, but who says that's the intention

[south kayak]

I do

[modest condor]

understandable

[inner zinc]

i want my TB's to delete the dungeon. No im not unreasonable

[south kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/understandable-have-nice-day-have-a-great-day-have-a-good-day-nice-gif-20850110

[smoky vale]

i think the enh changes were good as well

what do you think box

[south kayak]

I think a better nerf would be to reduce the Hot Hands duration from the totemic talent

Instead of the actual talent

The totemic one is pretty consistent and you always get it after dropping totem

This one is entirely RNG

So it’s not that big a nerf

[smoky vale]

what is hothands

[south kayak]

And it would be better if they also reduced Earthsurge damage instead of totem all around

[smoky vale]

i dont think ive ever talented into that

[south kayak]

It’s a buff you get that makes lava lash have very little cd and deal more damage

[inner zinc]

its when you rampage so fast your hands catch on fire

[smoky vale]

do you have to spam lash

[restive peak]

Wait did they finally kill Aug?

Did we do it? Is the world healing?

[smoky vale]

-6.7%

calm down

aug is still best dps spec

[south kayak]

Yeah because hot hands makes your lava lash also send sundering

[restive peak]

I fuckin hate Aug

[south kayak]

Which explodes totem from totemic for more damage

[smoky vale]

grrr

[modest condor]

i wonder how much aug's dps contribution has been nerfed by now since it got created

[smoky vale]

let me ask

[summer quail]

ofcourse not. that little cockroach is still somehow alive

[sullen dove]

war buffed for the third time...

hmm...

[smoky vale]

hi ish

:3

[sullen dove]

something is wrong with the balance of the world

[smoky vale]

im waiting on an answer

ill reply when they get back to me

[hollow elk]

wait... they are still buffing warriors?

whats going on

[regal mountain]

Are the hotfix increases still in from last week? or did they revert that?

[south kayak]

They’d mention if they were nerfed

[restive peak]

It’s healing don’t jinx it swordboi

[edgy widget]

they're still in

[regal mountain]

thank you

[south kayak]

I thought you were going to bed

[restive peak]

Maybe they finally felt guilty for literally tactical nuking us over a fuckin heroic week this tier

[south kayak]

[south kayak]

[wispy bridge]

watch them do it again

[restive peak]

There is no heroic week

We may make it

[hollow elk]

i wont believe anything until release

[smoky vale]

[restive peak]

Bro revvez is gonna absolutely fucking crank if warr is top tier hooooly fuck

[south kayak]

Also there’s no reason to nerf to nerf fury since we won’t have the aoe burst anymore

[restive peak]

That’s like a passive Echo/Method buff, revvez and big @maiden copper bout to carry

[modest condor]

if they nerf fury again then they need to at least give a compensation buff to whirlwind cleave

because our 5 target aoe is finally in a good spot from what i can tell

[south kayak]

Make it hit 8 targets

[modest condor]

and if they just nerf our st we're gonna have another season of mid dps in m+

[restive peak]

Fury 5T+prio kings = goated

[south kayak]

5 target cleave in big pull dungeons

[frozen berry]

Oh wow, yeah since we won't be going Odyn's Fuyr or Dragon Roar our aoe burst is gonna tank, esp for Mt Thane right?

[modest condor]

you'd be surprised how much you can make up on smaller pulls/bosses

[summer quail]

mountain thane burst will be less affected. no more odyns buffing every bladestorm(free avatar)

[rigid stirrup]

Anyone got info on what trinkets are lookin good for next patch

[bronze chasm]

this is why youre my 🐐

[smoky vale]

look in arms

[rigid stirrup]

ty papa

[south kayak]

I know, I played bfa

[dusty flicker]

Eye of Kezan and House of Cards

[south kayak]

Wasn’t 5 target cleave good in bfa

Iirc

[modest condor]

yes

[south kayak]

To be fair we didn’t have aoe cds then lol

And BS was doing way less damage

[inner zinc]

Cant wait to get the good squad trinket

time to goon with the bros

[opal zenith]

Has any math came out on this PTR stuff yet?

[smoky vale]

🔮

let man sleep

[south kayak]

If they want to buff slayer aoe they can just buff whirlwind by 200%

I think there should be a node in slayer buffing bs

[frozen berry]

Increase duration of bladestorm :p

[south kayak]

By a lot

[golden kiln]

just make the next WW after bladestorm finishes a fucking nuke (but not the spam version we had with merciless bonegrinder lol)

[south kayak]

So like that slayer talent that buffs rampage after bs

[smoky vale]

or arms ww in df

[south kayak]

It should buff it by more tbh

[golden kiln]

considering merciless bonegrinder was a 200% increase in damage and we spammed it, for it to be a 1 use only nuke we'd need atleast like 1000% lol

[south kayak]

Sounds like Wrecking Ball from legion.

That’d be better

[golden kiln]

at that rate you'd just make it buff Odyn's Fury though, since it's already an ability that is just WW but bigger

Honestly wouldn't mind a reality where both tclap and WW see play

tclap being our new cleave stack button, and make WW a stronger CD like in annhilator last xpac

maybe a midnight change you know

if they want to abolish hero talents for something new

make tclap and the enhanced version baseline

rework WW

[runic cypress]

WW should be a channel like the evoker channels where the effect is different depending on how long you channel

[golden kiln]

bro

each channel tick extends the range

and makes it more powerful

and also change the color to something cool with effects at longer charges

instead of a few white wind slashes lol

[runic cypress]

It all becomes deeper shades of red the more you channel because you spilling so much blood channeling it

[south kayak]

10 second channel to explode your pc and everyone else’s in the group

[golden kiln]

or make it fire themed

cause fire melee would go so hard for fury's theme

imo that should be our direction in a rework

either titan magic (titan grip and odyn's fury guh) or fire from rage

[runic cypress]

But warrior is thunder now because of thane

[golden kiln]

budget enhance

kek

[runic cypress]

Budget class

[golden kiln]

titan's magic would actually be dope tbh

would be quite unique

[runic cypress]

But the titans

They are le bad

[golden kiln]

@shadow priest

[runic cypress]

Le evil?

[golden kiln]

@demon hunter

@warlock

@death knights

I think evil magic is kinda everywhere by now haha

[runic cypress]

Shadow priests are just sad
Demon hunters are just mad
Warlocks are just goths

[golden kiln]

and we're chad titan/odyn loyalists

fuck em

[runic cypress]

But odyn is a bad guy too

[golden kiln]

fuck em

he gives us funny 45 second button

[runic cypress]

T. Blizzard devs working on warriors

[golden kiln]

real

[opal zenith]

They need to take onslaught off the GCD if anyone is ever going to pick this shit

[summer quail]

nahh it just needs to do big damage

[rancid vortex]

QQ when you charge into a pack with your than AoE talents and CDs up, after you drop thundering and avatar, ravager etc. is there an easy prio list of buttons to press since they're basically all lit up at once? haha
It feels like Rampage->clap with 2 stacks or odyns-> ??? i dunno raging blow or something, not enough gcds with rampage being like every second global

[winter shoal]

Rampage should not be every second global if you're playing RA

[rancid vortex]

ahh i just assumed overcapping would be bad

[winter shoal]

Nvm I'm cooked

You're talking about unhinged consuming BB

I don't play odyn's personally but my opener as thane is
reck > charge > rav + ava > ramp > CB > thunder blast > ramp > CB (unhinged should use BB here too) > ramp > thunder blast > CB

But no as RA you don't care about overcapping rage really, it's more important that you use your CB and BB every rampage cycle

[opal zenith]

Our builders hit so fucking hard they're better than our spender

[frank dawn]

So what does bloodbath do with unhinged this week

[rancid vortex]

oh fuk i shoulda really looked at the tooltip after pressing rampage XD they hit so much harder holyshit

[slim coral]

yes

[summer quail]

based publikpriest

[graceful ruin]

have we been buffed 3 times now? or am i tripping?

[summer quail]

we have

[graceful ruin]

when's the 60% nerf comin

[winter shoal]

In s1

[dapper goblet]

🧎‍♂️‍➡️

[upbeat plume]

is the new titans torment still dead compared to berserkers on ptr

[winter shoal]

YEP

[modest condor]

missing fuck boomkins

but otherwise accurate

[red berry]

the buffed thunder is nice but

[summer crater]

Funny onslaught buff

[high echo]

We have also been nerfed so many times

[summer crater]

Last minute literally being 3 march too

[restive peak]

Silm gets it

Fuck the chickens

[graceful ruin]

that's part of what worries me lmao

don't wanna be hit with like 4 unnecessary nerfs in a row AGAIN

[high echo]

I think the raid is more cleave and melee unfriendly oriented

Problem with this tier was that there were a lot of small adds and warrior just insta killed them all

They would only bring down these levers they buffed I think

[smoky vale]

🐉

[fallen pivot]

What 'should' my damage breakdown in a key look like as mountain thane? Rampage=BB>CB>Thunder blast>lightning strike?

[thick fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/marketmove-mm-move-cool-trend-gif-25255231

[bitter palm]

Onslaught buffed by +30%

onslaught jumpscare

[bitter palm]

onslaught jumpscare

Onslaught buffed by +30%

[smoky vale]

dont let kitty nkow

[bitter palm]

arms king after buffs

noob fury players!!

[restive peak]

Onslaught dead forever

[covert blaze]

blow up

[bitter palm]

Onslaught buffed by +30%

onslaught king

👑 🧎‍♂️

[covert blaze]

dead talent buffed hard enough to stay as a dead talent

hooooly

cinema

[young swan]

at least its not worse than base BT anymore

[slim coral]

delete your acc

[bitter palm]

xdddddddddd

[bitter palm]

[sly crane]

what was buffed by 30%

[bitter palm]

https://tenor.com/view/shaq-sad-shaq-dismissed-shaq-shaquille-o'neal-gif-17893105500149090374

[left elk]

Not Onslaught clearly

[whole yacht]

man i sure do love current state of fury warrior

its never been better

[slim coral]

well legion

[whole yacht]

its never. been better. than live wow. right now

[slim coral]

well it was in legion

[summer quail]

legion fury was mid. people just think it was amazing because of the execute video. now arms was the best in legion(playstyle wise)

[sinful spoke]

i wish my warrior could look like this

[slim coral]

Sir that's a monk

[sinful spoke]

yes

[whole yacht]

false

[sinful spoke]

its gonna be my alt

next season

[slim coral]

lame

[sinful spoke]

ww is fun

[slim coral]

dk looks better

[sinful spoke]

well

i got warrior and dk

[whole yacht]

what sources of content give sparks?

i forgor

[sudden tusk]

M+

raid boss

LFR

[whole yacht]

hwat are my options at ilvl 422

[restive peak]

What is that disgusting dragon

[whole yacht]

buy gear and do lfr?

[restive peak]

Delete it or the warrior, no other choice

[sudden tusk]

buy 560 boe greens and do lfr ya

[whole yacht]

from AH? or is there a vendor

[sudden tusk]

AH

or

you can go do rares on the siren island where you get the new ring

and get 580 gear from farming flame blessed iron

and leveling the ring

[whole yacht]

is

the gear

warbound?

[sudden tusk]

yeah

[whole yacht]

bet. my warrior has a bunch

[sudden tusk]

if youve done it on another guy you can send over the currency

and just buy 580 gear

[whole yacht]

what are enh stats? haste/mast with a lil crit?

[sudden tusk]

just haste mas

same with ele

[whole yacht]

bet

[slim coral]

we need a 4th plate class

[whole yacht]

thanks brother

[slim coral]

for the campfire

I can only have 3 plates

I need this fixed asap

[sudden tusk]

evoker tank class black dragonflight

choncky tank boi

[slim coral]

just make a void warrior

[whole yacht]

my lineup of 4, for season 2, is destro lock, frost mage, fury warrior, enh shaman.
backups are hunter any spec, ww monk, druid any spec, and frost dk

i think ive set myself up to be able to be meta at any given time

[high echo]

Switch specs around and kinda the same here

I only play 1 character till I'm aotc/2400/keystone tho

[whole yacht]

i play my main till 2500 and aotc

then i play my main less, and start gearing alts

[sinful spoke]

my main

[frank dawn]

well, thunderblast def doin the big fuck dam on ptr

[sinful spoke]

waiting for the update where my dragon can be visage form in the warbands camp

🙏

[restive peak]

You know I’m rare on the need to ban people but you’re pushin it brotato chip

Dragon mains

[sinful spoke]

woahhh

i have seniority here over u

u wanna ban me

just cause i like dragon women

with big honkers

[warped bone]

Well the "dragon" part has no honkers

[restive peak]

Dragon mains

[sinful spoke]

i got sources warband screen visage form is coming soon

🙏

[sinful spoke]

whats ur main

watch it be human or belf or nelf

basic

[restive peak]

Nothing as ugly as a dragon dawg

[red berry]

now imagine if it were 25% instead of 14%

[restive peak]

I’m just fuckin with you, I’m a meta slave dwarf

[sinful spoke]

LOL SHORT

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-at-you-gif-15677477317679001616

[modest condor]

damn get owned

[warped bone]

I'm a dwarf also and i know @warm crag loves it

[restive peak]

Bruh is 5’6 irl calling it

[sinful spoke]

switch the numbers

and ur right

[restive peak]

Fuck there are so many bleeds and shit next season too…so ugly dude

Dwarf truly is disgusting to look at

[sinful spoke]

dwarf is passable

now if u were a gnome

id have u arrested

[frank dawn]

oh and all my tier pieces are 730 ilvl, I was like wtf these numbers are not making sense

[restive peak]

You only go gnome if you wanna truly fuck with people emotionally in PVP

Just because getting your shit pushed in by a gnome is embarrassing

[sinful spoke]

i hate gnomes

[restive peak]

NE BIS animations, I miss it

[sinful spoke]

BIS ?

[opal zenith]

I had like a 8m bb crit because of that lol.

[restive peak]

Best in sexuality

[sinful spoke]

@covert blaze can u give my ww a free heroic boost? 👉 👈

[sinful spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-what-oh-shit-for-real-i-see-gif-8120501

[smoky vale]

:3

[sinful spoke]

hej gio

is queen ded yet

[smoky vale]

i already killed remember

[summer crater]

2 9

[sinful spoke]

wait did i miss the stream

[smoky vale]

yeah last week

[sinful spoke]

NOOO

whats parse

[summer crater]

My first warrior main was a male nelf back in 2005 and people only called me gay elf

[remote bobcat]

damn

[rancid vortex]

if you remove odyns you usually pick up vicious contempt yeah?

[high echo]

Ye

[remote bobcat]

usually ya

[rancid vortex]

and thats basically a bit more boss dam mostly. Edit: or prio

[frank dawn]

it's basically just more damage everywhere at the moment (on ptr) unless it's a larger trash pack that will die in like 8 seconds

[remote bobcat]

vicious cont is a lot more sustained damage

YEP

[covert blaze]

can discount but no freebie

[remote bobcat]

zhai you shouldnt boost with this luck

leave the boosting to the lucky players

yepge

[sinful spoke]

i think as a black man i should get it for free during black history month

[covert blaze]

real

[remote bobcat]

i just got reminded that not everyone here is from EU

yepge

[high echo]

The autism would really make you think so right? Lol

[sinful spoke]

thank god honestly

[remote bobcat]

SwagCool

[high echo]

Lmao that's fucking awesome I'm taking this

[remote bobcat]

ManstarCoolCat

lads i need a public opinion

whats matters more to yall

high rank early season or high rank end of season

[high echo]

Pvp?

[remote bobcat]

obviously not

[high echo]

Ah parses?

[remote bobcat]

clueless~1

ya

parses

[covert blaze]

end of season

[high echo]

Sry been on pvp last month, brain fried a little

[remote bobcat]

ok ok new example:

End of 1st balance patch

vs

End of entire season

[covert blaze]

end of season

[remote bobcat]

feelings based or logic based reasoning?

[covert blaze]

you can get spoonfed gear and parse all 99s for free

assuming you're decent ofc

end of season you're competing vs people with the same gear

[remote bobcat]

Counterargument:

Due to the stacking % buff, you are realistically only competing against people who still play, which tends to not be a lot

[smoky vale]

you can get the buff

[covert blaze]

that doesn't always exist

[smoky vale]

in 3 raids

maxed out

less even

[covert blaze]

plus if you don't filter logs per split you're looking at it wrong anyway

[remote bobcat]

im on your side

[winter shoal]

Is there a way to compare logs across partitions anyways?

[remote bobcat]

there was this guy who was rank 1 HC during 1st patch when he got funneled gear during early prog, abandoned his guild and took that into boosting

and he kept telling me that hes the best warr in EU

kekW

[smoky vale]

me when revvez exists

[winter shoal]

I had r1 hc volcoross week 2 of amirdrassil because I took PTO and spammed keys all day before raid

[covert blaze]

on a character page you can see everything at once

filter by All

[winter shoal]

Then @sullen dove stole it before it was locked in

gg

[modest condor]

reminds me of someone at the start of shadowlands

bought all the highest ilvl boes, got rank 1 parses on normal on the first day

bragged about it all over discord

couple of weeks later their guild was hard stuck on the 4th boss mythic

[remote bobcat]

ICANT

clowns

[covert blaze]

ye early parses can be a meme

[remote bobcat]

something else is a meme too

NA right now

thank you for the content lads

especially canada

peak content

[upbeat shore]

Hey guys, I haven't raided competitively since Wotlk / a small bit of cata and I just came back 2 weeks ago. I wanted to ask if these suggested "meta" builds are actually good. Ive seen higher end players walking around with sub-20% crit / haste and it bewilders me because of their necessity to the class. Am I just... thinking in outdated ways or, are there better methods than what is being suggested?

[sudden tusk]

fury no care crit

[remote bobcat]

what do you mean suggested meta build?

[sudden tusk]

haste mastery good

[remote bobcat]

you want mastery and enough haste to support ur mastery

yepge

[modest condor]

secondaries are an afterthought, we have robots to decide what gear to wear

[remote bobcat]

this~1

[modest condor]

if the robot tells you a certain piece of gear is better you equip it

doesnt matter what it does to your secondaries

[thick fossil]

https://imgur.com/a/7KsyCKl

[remote bobcat]

but also @upbeat shore where did you hear about crit's "necessity" to the class ?

[upbeat shore]

The Crit damage perks spread throughout the skill tree which people are taking but not getting the full potential benefit from

[remote bobcat]

you have inherent additional crit chance in the tree, meaning you dont need to build as much crit.

[modest condor]

yeah like champions spear increases your crit damage, but it always lines up with recklessness which increases your crit chance

[upbeat shore]

8 seconds?

[remote bobcat]

Read "Bloodcraze"

[upbeat shore]

1.5m cd

[remote bobcat]

for example.

[upbeat shore]

Ill go read it right now

[remote bobcat]

Read Critical Thinking

Or Ashen Juggernaut

Then, read what your mastery does and how well it scales

mastery significantly outperforms critical strike chance

by a large margin

[feral ivy]

im doing court mythic and during ring phase how long do u have to pick up orbs.. i dont wanna get hit by ring because i was impatient but i still need to get orbs lol

[remote bobcat]

you got a lot of time, safety first always from my experience

(i dont actually know how long they last, im ooga booga)

(I just know that last a shitton of time)

[winter shoal]

I am once again asking for a location that has dummies that don't go into execute range on PTR

[feral ivy]

cool tyty

[whole yacht]

anyone got a missive of the feverflare they be willing to sell for less than 9 freakin thousand for a missive

[remote bobcat]

wait an hour

[feral ivy]

whats happening ina hr?

[remote bobcat]

prices regulate

[feral ivy]

ah

[whole yacht]

what if i dont have an hour to wait tonight

[remote bobcat]

do it tomorrow

SwagCool

and if ur on a tight schedule

[whole yacht]

WHAT IF I CANT PLAY TOMORROW

[remote bobcat]

and on EU

bro

[whole yacht]

this is turning into a nightmare

[remote bobcat]

why do u wanna craft so bad rn

[whole yacht]

i NEED to

i NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED it

[remote bobcat]

wha

Why

[whole yacht]

cuz

[covert blaze]

why is a missive 9k what the hell

[whole yacht]

IDK!

[torpid sand]

[cinder hinge]

Any ptr fury streams?

[winter shoal]

Crit probably will tomorrow

[dense elbow]

Did the war dev just not know the diff between whirlwind and odyns Fury, and typed the wrong ability in the note?

[ionic bone]

if they wanted to buff WW it should have been 300% not 30 XD

and give it a short CD

[young swan]

try silvermoon

its usually pretty good

[sudden tusk]

explode posthaste

i like the mists shrines are p good

only issue is no ST dummy they too close

[winter shoal]

Those ones only have 123m hp and don't heal fast enough so they usually get to execute range like 1:15ish

[feral ivy]

how do i make a url from a image

i forgot the site name that does

[remote bobcat]

you mean something like imgur? Where you can upload an image and then link it?

[feral ivy]

Yea I found something but idk if it’s a good site lol “postimages”

[remote bobcat]

what exactly do u need to do

[willow cradle]

Tier is finally over

Almost ended up on race to world last lol

[sly crane]

grats

[feral ivy]

GRATZ

[feral ivy]

Ah was filing a guild application and it asked for ui picture and needed a url for it lol

[willow cradle]

Thanks!

[pulsar helm]

@young swan 🤡

[remote bobcat]

yea upload to imgur or just use lightshot, which allows you to auto-upload all screenshots

[remote bobcat]

congrats boss

[clever path]

Gz , we did 1 night of pulls on court and gave up for the season;p so not raided properly for a month now:p

[willow cradle]

Honestly, I wished we killed sooner but we are only 6 hours a week.

[viral flame]

Whats up with the patch notes saying 25% on Thunder Blast for fury but the updates channel only saying 14%?

[indigo arch]

Anyone else seeing all these ptr buffs and wondering how much they'll crucify the spec 2 weeks in after heroic raider andys get mad?

[summer quail]

Nahh. No heroic week this time

[sullen dove]

my addge

[river reef]

[dense elbow]

Blizz just making up excuses to Nerf warrior at this point. "Look too strong single target to 5t cleave on this one boss fight", meanwhile ppl pumping millions ahead of us in m+

[fading sky]

haha fact

To good at niche, get fucked

[bleak bluff]

umbased on the numbers is it fury or arms?! what do you guys think?

for season 2

[oblique trail]

both

[fading sky]

Fury 100% lives longer

[fading sky]

also u sir, WHERE IS THE SANDBAGGING !

Swordfish Sandbaggings, should be new name on ptr. plz dont get us nerfed

[oblique trail]

good thing he's not doing more damage in that screenshot, than people already were doing months ago

[bleak bluff]

so damage wise it will be about the same but will depend on survivability

[fading sky]

i have no idea m8

[oblique trail]

Both specs will be quite tanky

[dense elbow]

Shows 450k DPS, fears for nerfs

[oblique trail]

So I wouldn't worry about their survivability

More like what one spec does better than the other

[fading sky]

m8, we are BEATING A MAGE

thats why i worry

thats risky.

[dense elbow]

We always do that on certain parts of a fight, nothing new

We are fine, for m+ we are high mid at best

So can't really see us nerfed

[oblique trail]

Well we for sure wont get nerfed from our performance in a 6 month old raid

[dusty flicker]

Fury still ahead of arms in ST after these buffs?

[radiant plank]

Most certainly yes

a good chunk ahead

[dusty flicker]

about 10%ish?

[dense elbow]

Fury ST is around 3m, arms was what 2.5-2.8?

[dusty flicker]

that would be my guess as well arms at 2.8 or so

[radiant plank]

around 2.7

[dense elbow]

Prob more than 3m, as that is my m+ st

[dusty flicker]

and we still 300k ahead wow

[dense elbow]

I will trade 300k st, for the AoE diff. Make OF at least hit for more than RB

[dusty flicker]

we have been buffed too much around rb/bt/rampage leaving TR and OF in the dust

[fading sky]

well they did just buff

onslaught

[dusty flicker]

no point taking it still probably, will see once Archi is up and does some math.

[fickle bluff]

everything this patch cycle has been buffed more than ons/of has, theyll still not be worth picking

[dusty flicker]

we will go with spear instead of TR, and leaving OF out as well. I think

[fickle bluff]

not quite

none of our CDs were buffed

[fading sky]

tbh a season of spear isnt the worst

[fickle bluff]

the best option at the minute is roar with no capstones and all the stat nodes

[fading sky]

Spear and beyblade is not horrid

[dusty flicker]

so we go with Ava/reck/BS or Ravager and thats it? and either picking AM or RA.

[dusty flicker]

so taking all the secodnary bodes

nodes*

[river reef]

AM?

[fickle bluff]

they shot RA last week

[fading sky]

what?

[fickle bluff]

reduced the BB bleed damage by 66% (it ticks every 3s now)

[fading sky]

but buffed the initial hit

bleeds need to go anyways

besides it still stacks forever no ?

[fickle bluff]

they buffed everything by 20%, means nothing

[fading sky]

well

AM Slayer is fun

so

im happy

[summer quail]

Yeah but that's just to make it stronger than a regular bt. If they only buffed bt, bb would be pointless

[dense elbow]

AM slayer can't fit OF tho
But it is the most fun one

[fading sky]

nah

just put SPEAR ON AM

i want spear and bladestorm to line up every fackin aoe pack

[dense elbow]

You do get they would desync ye?

[summer quail]

Would still not line up. Slayer bs marks for execution

[fading sky]

hm

just make spear 45 seconds then

idc

same as OF is now i guess give me spear more often

[dense elbow]

Just go 45 sec roar with OF, best you can get. Even if blizz is strangling it to death S2

I bet one of the arms mains became dev, and they hate OF and Fury having fun with burst

So, makes sense

[silk perch]

Yo are buffs any good or am i reading this wrong

[sour frigate]

still overperfomed in niche by universal specs...

[oblique trail]

The onslaught and WW buffs are inconsequential

[fading sky]

OFC 😄

[oblique trail]

We still wont take Onslaught, and WW does essentially no damage still

[silk perch]

Sure but the MT buffs?

[slim coral]

Yes they are good

[oblique trail]

It's a bit more TB damage

Overall fine, nothing super noteworthy

[slim coral]

Ons stinky

[south kayak]

Should have been actually 25%, not 14%

TB needs more than that to be prioritized on ST

Can also buff the ST lightning strikes

[silk perch]

Cheers

[summer quail]

They buffed those not too long ago. Lightning strike hits for a decent amount

[south kayak]

I know they do but it has been 40% buff to BT/RB/Rampage since then

I doubt we'd be prioritizing TB at all on ST

[sudden tusk]

tbh the issue with thane was TB just didnt do enough damage so the 25% was really nice

in a key overall Tblast did the same damage as lightning strike

[south kayak]

It wasn't even a 25% buff

[sudden tusk]

which was pretty bad for our overall

[south kayak]

it was 14%

[sudden tusk]

they updated it later then was initially 25%

weirdge

[south kayak]

Nah it's still 25% on notes

idk what happened exactly

Idk anything about this

[sullen dove]

450k is just on the p3 adds...

that appear 3 times a fight..

[dense elbow]

I am aware

[sullen dove]

nerf stronk

any 14mil dps over 7 seconds enjoyers

(if i was a blue man i would put 1 totem down and do 50mil)

[flat river]

A mountain thane anger management buff would be so the "recklessness grants a charge of thunderblast" should also increase maximum charges to 3

[dense elbow]

Or just increase the damage of ravager and bladestorm?

No need to add multiple layers

[south kayak]

yeah one stack per reck is pretty questionable

that talent node is dogshit

[somber elk]

guys will am or ra will be the play in keys, do we already know this?

[south kayak]

It needs to be reworked anyways

[south kayak]

AM most likely

[unreal onyx]

Sadge