Imma just stop
#fury
wintry smelt
molten night
yeah all the tanks in my guild are prot pallies
xD
its pretty funny how they snipe ints.
wintry smelt
I play war monk rogue ret and VDH only
molten night
hunter warrior atm
molten night
molten night
I need sleep I play wow 36 hour
i woke up at 4am EST time >.< and only got like 3 hours of sleep
dreamy flameBOT
molten night
xD
inner zinc
i never interrupt spells aimed at me and it seems to happen often. Most of the time they get interrupted by other players though 
ivory ingot
Does afk waiting for queues to pop count as playing wow
charred scroll
at this point? yup
plush shadow
sorry about the dumb question but why does my bloodbath sometimes just expire like 1 second after pressing rampage? is it getting consumed by some talent i'm too blind to see?
oblique trail
If you got Ravager down, Unhinged from Ravager uses the Bloodbath proc
The same with Bladestorm
plush shadow
ah, i see. thank you
runic violet
Anything new happening at the reset?
runic violet
Haven't done raiding in a while.
I don't even have aotc yet lol
first time not having aotc ....
got stressed out at queen fight
hardy bluff
if you really want it people are selling it for like 30k gold
runic violet
that's relatively cheap
thick fossil
Ppl are having issues with AotC? Man I really am out of touch.
clever path
is there an issue with macroing recklessness and avatar together instead of having 2 keybinds since they are used in similar situations and have the same cool down?
warm crag
its fine for the current fury iteration but there were instances where you'd want to decouple them
you'd just be building muscle memory for something that's not always optimal
pearl sequoia
fury doesnt have an abudnance of spells so id probably just play with them split. in scenarios such as ST youd want them split anyway to be optimal
warm crag
i don't think splitting them in st is optimal
it just doesn't matter both do the same thing
pearl sequoia
In ST its reck before charge no?
warm crag
ye but reck gives ava and you'd ava within 3 seconds anyways so it legit makes no difference if you press ava with reck or press ava later unless im missing something
pearl sequoia
wow i never actually looked at bersekers torment on the ST build
lol, yea true then
hardy bluff
Ppl are having issues with AotC? Man I really am out of touch.
not everyone is doing it with a guild
and pugging queen is pretty tough
coarse nest
Ppl are having issues with AotC? Man I really am out of touch.
Anytime a boss requires even the slightest amount of coordination pugs struggle with it
We all know pugs like to just blast carelessly
runic violet
It stresses me just by imagining talking strats every pull with pugs.
storm rune
Constant cycling of 2-3 pugs every single wipe
runic violet
always a few that way undergeared and underperform
and you make one mistake then kicked
storm rune
I think there's some sort of inverse function
where the longer a pug has been attempting a boss, the lower the overall skill level of the group is
runic violet
Yea
fickle bluff
if you cant see ptr then you havent signed up for it
if you specifically mean 11.1, then the 11.0.5 branch hasnt been updated yet
fickle bluff
thats the one thatll change to 11.1
clever belfry
cat is bis so its oki :3
oblique trail
cat is bis so its oki :3
meow
clever belfry
meowiee
fickle bluff
:3
fickle bluff
kinda sorta
runic violet
server up?
fickle bluff
SL RA but with added effects
restive granite
and it was good back then right? ddint play warr in SL
sour tundra
server up?
been up for prob 15 min
runic violet
icic logging on now 😮
restive edge
Is there any prediction on furys performance next season compared to this season?
fickle bluff
nope
dense elbow
I predict Fury will be fine
modest condor
you're about 2 months too early with that question
chrome plover
I predict a riot
sour frigate
🔮
static rock
not greatest, hopefully not the worst
runic violet
my mastery is really low 😦
sour frigate
Git some more then
charred scroll
why does my sim show a 5% increase in aoe with dawnthread with a 0.7% loss in single target. do i really need crit that badly? the hell
clever belfry
Is there any prediction on furys performance next season compared to this season...
most certainly the best spec in the game, without question, no speculation
charred scroll
guess i'm recrafting to dawnthread
dense elbow
why does my sim show a 5% increase in aoe with dawnthread with a 0.7% loss in s...
Depending on build, crit and mastery usually have big AoE value. Lots of on crit effects that proc more often in AoE 
golden hare
charred scroll
Depending on build, crit and mastery usually have big AoE value. Lots of on crit...
makes sense i suppose
charred scroll
kinda shocked i was -5% on aoe this entire time
dense elbow
Ppl need crystal ball, I know we be fine. Ya ppl need faith
fickle bluff
the balls speaks to me, it says fury will be mid in both ST and AoE because blizzard still cant decide what they want to do and wont make any changes
dense elbow
And that is fine 
restive granite
my dad works at blizzard and he told me fury is going to be bis next season
charred scroll
the balls speaks to me, it says fury will be mid in both ST and AoE because bliz...
dense elbow
my dad works at blizzard and he told me fury is going to be bis next season
BiS pet battler
restive granite
im 3100 io 7/8M with 638 ilvl and i cant get into a 10 for weekly
what the actual fuck
they did us dirty
fickle bluff
🤣 not 3750, wr10 and 641
restive edge
most certainly the best spec in the game, without question, no speculation
I like this
dense elbow
Ye, it always feel weird to get a ton of 10 declines. Ppl think we are really bad in a 10
Cause you know, you need hero for 10 
clever belfry
im 3100 io 7/8M with 638 ilvl and i cant get into a 10 for weekly
7/8 kinda mid
restive granite
ik
sour frigate
im 3100 io 7/8M with 638 ilvl and i cant get into a 10 for weekly
Dunno just slipped in gb10 as 632
dense elbow
I forgot the rest of the list 
fickle bluff
🇬🇧 🇬🇧 🇬🇧 🇬🇧 grahhh
restive granite
yeah i just apply to DB and AraKara for weekly tbh
winter shoal
That statement can only be made by someone who hasn't had the tank just walk into the water on the last boss and die to tentacle
tardy lark
cat is bis so its oki :3
Anduwu
oblique trail
Its Andayaya
Andaballs
clever belfry
dont leak my alt maybe?
clever belfry
You leaked my FF14 character
bro is afraid
restive granite
making one in every realm
clever belfry
bro about to be exposed as lominsan catgirl
clever belfry
meow :3
tepid gorge
Does crit really matter that much for fury
winter shoal
It matters as much as the sim says it does
static rock
crit matters for comboing heavy hits, so you want at least a little. For exactly how much, sims would hold the answer
quaint dove
my guild are lusting 2nd infest on Mythic Queen... Reckon it's best to save 90s CDs for this or just use on 1st and 3rd for 2 uses?
quaint dove
ignore me i'll use 1st and 3rd
clever belfry
my guild are lusting 2nd infest on Mythic Queen... Reckon it's best to save 90s ...
what a shit lust timer
just lust pull and kill boss earlier
quaint dove
I think the point is to make shackles and acolytes easier
summer quail
is ptr up?
fickle bluff
no
edgy widget
my guild are lusting 2nd infest on Mythic Queen... Reckon it's best to save 90s ...
two uses is far better
and let the lust carry dam on the set you don't have full CDs for
gleaming siren
You never know what kind of FREAKS you find on FF
Like Banezia and him keeping me as a pet
clever belfry
Banezib one might say
thick fossil
I predict Fury will be fine
I just want Warrior to be competitive and not feel like shit vs all the meta shit.
hardy bluff
I just want Warrior to be competitive and not feel like shit vs all the meta shi...
warrior is just fine?
dense elbow
Fine is fine, we are fine, everything will be fine
dense elbow
I refuse to grow up about OF not being buffed on PTR yet tho
Give me my OF buffs, and I am happy
summer quail
I just want Warrior to be competitive and not feel like shit vs all the meta shi...
arms lowkey underrated in m+. does alot of damage, but then again you have to play arms
fickle bluff
51% or is that an old joke now
dense elbow
51% is always the joke, but no longer the number
last nacelle
Hi !, i have a little question about fury, i main fury since Ny'alotha and love it every patch/expansion until season 3 of dragonflights and now season 1 of The War Within, i find the fury is boring to play with a talent like powerfull rage and other like (annihilator in DF season 3) and now without Odyn's fury, i'm the only one feel this feeling ?
dense elbow
Just play with OF, ya will be fine
Still, ye - I too find the Thane AM/RA to become quite boring over time. Still, I am not forced to play it, I even get to play execute focused Slayer in m+, so overall there is no problem really
clever belfry
arms lowkey underrated in m+. does alot of damage, but then again you have to pl...
explosion moment
winter shoal
arms lowkey underrated in m+. does alot of damage, but then again you have to pl...
Only does good damage if you have the gear for colossus, which means way more crit than you'd have if you main fury
thorny cove
finally got a myth track weapon, but it's crit/vers...
summer quail
Only does good damage if you have the gear for colossus, which means way more cr...
true. tbf 1 ring and a neck will make a big difference. arms has to be giga broken for me to touch it on its current iteration tho
Rework soon™
winter shoal
I played colossus in one (1) key this season and the damage was fine but it was kinda clunky and took like 6x the brainpower of just ja clappa
charred scroll
ptr not out?
summer quail
arms insanely clunky for sure, you want to press everything at once but you can't. spec is just so weird
also sweeping strikes half a gcd??? wtf is that
summer quail
i like cleave,ms and execute. overpower and slam not so much
runic violet
Enjoyed DF S3S4 arms
true trench
hello ! new to fury warrior, why do we use whirlwind as a filler rather than slam on single target rotation?
high echo
hello ! new to fury warrior, why do we use whirlwind as a filler rather than sla...
Depending on the talents gives more dmg/more rage
true trench
ok, back to reading talent tree then, ty for help
runic violet
I haven't used slam for nearly a year.
gilded pawn
hello ! new to fury warrior, why do we use whirlwind as a filler rather than sla...
slam if you dont have improved whirlwind talented
but its minor
you could just use whirlwind instead
silver stag
Yo, is there a faq about ring gems?
runic violet
or.. wowhead
oblique trail
The faq could definitely use some updating
It still has Fyr'alath mentioned for leveling
gilded pawn
is fyralath good rn
silver stag
ty
storm rune
I accidentally leveled my DF warrior with professions and didn't even get use out of fyralath 😦
oblique trail
nothing lost
winter shoal
I accidentally leveled my DF warrior with professions and didn't even get use ou...
Spec colossus, press demolish
Same thing
dense elbow
Not too far from the truth
silver stag
Hm sadly doesnt help. Im kinda confused about the wind slot. Im simming way higher with [Windsinger's Runed Citrine] (about 80ish k) meanwhile everyone is playing [Legendary Skipper's Citrine]. Im not sure if its me simming wrong or just my gear scaling better on mastery.
radiant plank
summer quail
Hm sadly doesnt help. Im kinda confused about the wind slot. Im simming way high...
then you use that. whatever sims higher
high echo
Hm sadly doesnt help. Im kinda confused about the wind slot. Im simming way high...
Most people tend to just follow guides rather than sim like you
oblique trail
Hm sadly doesnt help. Im kinda confused about the wind slot. Im simming way high...
I have yet to see any sim indicate Windsinger being ahead
Can you send the sim
summer quail
also i assume he's simming dslice based on that number
radiant plank
remember to click here!
summer quail
knew it
oblique trail
I'm confused
radiant plank
he also isnt pressing replace existing gems
oblique trail
The highest result is using Legendary?
dense elbow
You just made the sim drop 400k
winter shoal
dslice->patchwerk
dense elbow
Ah, dslice, 3min
gilded pawn
im not a believer of dslice
dense elbow
my head is autoadjusted to 5m t sims
hoary agate
dslice is ass man
only use 5 min 1 target, 5 min 6 target and use brain (sometimes MDT sim can be useful)
edgy widget
there's nothing inherently wrong with dungeon slice
it's just a different set of parameters
hoary agate
If you are are lazy sure, but much better to decide how much ST you give up vs AOE if you are simming with M+ in mind
winter shoal
only use 5 min 1 target, 5 min 6 target and use brain (sometimes MDT sim can be ...
5m 6t is wild imo, if any packs are living that long in your keys, something has gone very wrong
hoary agate
not understanding how sim works is wild
winter shoal
wym
hoary agate
when you run a sim it runs like 1,000 or more iterations at varying fight times and takes an average
"By default, fight length will vary up to 20% for each iteration"
if you view the HTML output for example
it doesn't just run 1 sim at exactly 5 minutes
winter shoal
Yes I'm aware
If you take 20% off the fight timer, that's still 4 minutes straight of fighting trash
Which is just not realistic for an M+ scenario
hoary agate
you are simming 4-6 minutes and taking an average
high m+ you going to chain packs
probably more realstic than a 1-3 minute sim if you select a 2 min pull or something
or w.e 20% is
also shorter sim timings typically have a higher burst and will favour trinkets with more power (but potentially a longer cd) for example
which might be shit if you are doing a high key with a 2 min pull chained into another 2 min and such
winter shoal
I mean it's probably more due to lust than trinkets/cds
hoary agate
yea lust too, but trinkets/cds/lust can have a larger impact and give an inaccurate result for dungeons if you run say a 2 min sim
winter shoal
I see your point about effectively two 2m sims vs one 4m sim though
hoary agate
only time I would look at stuff like that is if you planned your route and you KNOW you have lust, cds, trinket up and struggle with a specifc pull maybe you can then sim that one
winter shoal
the former would give you 4 sets of 90s vs the latter giving two
But also
Simming for M+ is kind of a meme anyways
Sim 1t 5m and put on M+ trinkets 
hoary agate
Simming for M+ is kind of a meme anyways
not really, probably more worth than raid lol, balancing ST, Priority and AOE can have a huge impact to your key timers
like if you run with 2 big aoe classes, probably not worth going big aoe builds, take a ST priority build etc
for your weekly 10s maybe not, just go big aoe dam and pad like crazy for huge details penis
winter shoal
Bold of you to assume I do anything other than weekly 10s
winter shoal
like if you run with 2 big aoe classes, probably not worth going big aoe builds,...
This is true for raid too though
Source: multiple sub-1% wipes on brood bc people were playing pad aoe specs even though we were omega overkilling adds already
hoary agate
yea pretty annoying, boss is a joke now only need knock/grip and like 2-3 aoe class, rest go ST passive cleave and boss dead so early
undone flower
Fun fact: I got paid to be ST on rash
thick fossil
arms lowkey underrated in m+. does alot of damage, but then again you have to pl...
@hardy bluff if either of you can sit there and tell me Warrior is competitive with Shaman, or ret, you're delusional. I don't care which spec of dps warrior, but I do want em to be capable of similar output.
Is that asking too much? Hell, give us Shaman dps and leave our utility alone and I'd ve happy.
dense elbow
If you include the %AP given to the whole group, then we kinda close to Ret - it is fine
hardy bluff
minigame content will always need fotm rerolls
just reroll if you cant handle being mid
summer quail
<@223850105625640960> if either of you can sit there and tell me Warrior is com...
competitive with ret yes. competetive with shaman? absolutely not, nothing can compare to shaman
thick fossil
I don't want to reroll, and won't.
summer quail
literally nothing
red berry
we do more ST then ret, we don't do more AoE then ret
hardy bluff
you will never get balance in m+ just because of things like cd timings
its just how it is
dense elbow
We were actually basically there before the nerfs, but meh
that is what it is, raid need balance too
sudden tusk
PTR
dense elbow
Working?
sudden tusk
not sure
red berry
trying to launch rn
winter shoal
<@223850105625640960> if either of you can sit there and tell me Warrior is com...
I can't find the vod but I know Tmy played arms in MDI in Mists and they won against one of the better teams
Granted that was arms over dk/ret, not over enhance, but still
storm rune
Well, doesn't help the other team fucked up maze then wiped
winter shoal
Sorry it was Walli, not Tmy
Oh wait they lost that one xdd
SOMEONE won with it
narrow delta
any news on PTR testing of our new tier set?
narrow delta
what about fury tier?
winter shoal
Shruge
hardy bluff
what about fury tier?
we know what that does
if you ask tuning come back when the patch releases
narrow delta
I am more asking how it interacts with buffs etc
young swan
meager void
latest numbers indicate we have no fing clue yet
smoky vale
?
fickle bluff
only dogshit while blizzard havent made bloodbath do the things its meant to 🩺 🔬 🔭
young swan
its supposed to add duration
frank dawn
something about the dot seems broken, but I cba atm
narrow delta
anyone got a suggestion for new talents with tier?
sullen dove
yea and as mentioned like a few weeks ago when it first said i think theres no way the debuff timer just infinitely stacks up
why would it not pandemic like every other dot
thick fossil
If it stacked that could be kinda cool... like a budget Ignite.
young swan
i mean its literally just useless rn
sullen dove
theres no way u just chain spam bb for a 2 minute long dot
storm rune
because SP exists
young swan
its just a 6s dot that refreshes to 6s
sullen dove
yea
meager void
i mean its literally just useless rn
it is if you have to run away from hogger for 6s
sudden tusk
wait it doesnt stack?
young swan
no
sudden tusk
does it compound the damage at least?
young swan
ask grego
fickle bluff
it doesnt do anything right now
young swan
i logged off cause my UI is bricked
sudden tusk
covert blaze
does it compound the damage at least?
compound dn
young swan
and i dont wanna deal with it
fickle bluff
just a regular ass dot
winter shoal
If it stacked that could be kinda cool... like a budget Ignite.
Or yknow like deep wounds
fickle bluff
also surely they add it to bloodborne
thick fossil
Or yknow like deep wounds
I was thinking more of the ignite stacking, but the rolling Deep wounds.
winter shoal
also surely they add it to bloodborne <:clueless:1099922541923024997>
and twords right 🙂
meager void
well, on the fantasy side a compounding bleed doesnt really make sense.
meager void
but i was flying on a rat earlier so, sense is not exactly a metric
covert blaze
well, on the fantasy side a compounding bleed doesnt really make sense.
fantasy very important for gameplay design!!!
sullen dove
it is or else there wouldnt be useless fucking trash in every raid
young swan
well, on the fantasy side a compounding bleed doesnt really make sense.
of course it does
sullen dove
and you wouldnt have to fly some dumb spider to get to a boss when you respawn at the start of the instance
young swan
ur literally just make more wounds for blood to come out of
dense elbow
Lets see, PTR is up I see - so first impressions of set and talents are?
young swan
how does that not make sense
sullen dove
theres only so much blood
frank dawn
personally I'm excited to have a 80 second long dot needed for our talent to work
very good
much fantasy
sullen dove
personally I'm excited to have a 80 second long dot needed for our talent to wor...
yea like theres 0 chance this is the intention
that would be dented as fuck
young swan
Lets see, PTR is up I see - so first impressions of set and talents are?
bad cause nothing works
frank dawn
gestures broadly at warrior design
dense elbow
Classic PTR
sullen dove
just an extra thing to keep up during reck or something, make sure dot is rolling but cb should still be main damage doer
thick fossil
I'm installing PTR client, prolly won't get to test till weekend though
covert blaze
just an extra thing to keep up during reck or something, make sure dot is rollin...
can it even fall off during your regular rotation
sullen dove
proly not ig
i mean unless you like cb 3 times in a row
and thats good
take me back to s1 df
cb prio above all
meager void
blame EU for that
sullen dove
whatd they do with that
they messed up s4 with the s2 set but dont recall the involvement with s1
meager void
oh yeah I got my Ss confused
dense elbow
To be fair, you could just play S4 in S3 tierset :v
meager void
well no all EU, just the french then and the reason is because.
dense elbow
covert blaze
well no all EU, just the french then and the reason is because.
yeah fuck xan
meager void
anyways, so PTR shows we are an 80s long dot spec now
then I demand a soulstone bshout
thick fossil
What is this 80s dot?
dense elbow
From context, got to be the new RA, that turns BT into BB only during the duration of Reck, and it is a bleed
Presumably, every press of BB just adds 6 sec to that DoTs duration
red berry
its also limp
young swan
if it perma extends you can prob get a dot length that extends to ur next reck
radiant plank
if it perma extends you can prob get a dot length that extends to ur next reck
swap target xdd
red berry
i think its just broken rn i ngeneral
dense elbow
Does the bleed cleave at least?
charred scroll
that can't be right
red berry
im not sure if it is right now
young swan
sidearm tier damage
red berry
no literally lmao
charred scroll
that has to be bugged yeah
red berry
well 260 it might be but with the new avatar you can in theory just crank out so many bloodthirsts
thick fossil
That's some extremely disappointing numbers.
red berry
im sure its just brokenr ight now
charred scroll
almost done with ptr
meager void
If it cleaves, just treat it like it doesnt cuz its gonna get "tuned" out
red berry
i am still worried about our total AoE performance without odyns fury
dense elbow
Odyn's gonna get a bump up, dont worry
charred scroll
^ 100%
red berry
i am sure it will
charred scroll
if it doesn't then blizzard seriously are high at the office
smoky vale
can you not install ptr while playing
dense elbow
Surely they wont let it stay in the gutter (as the devs, for sure, dont hate odyns)
hardy bluff
can you not install ptr while playing
you can
charred scroll
i am sure it will
no it actually has to. with the titan's torment change and it already being nerfed into the ground right now, odyn's definitely has to be buffed if they want everyone to use it as a core ability which they said they do
frank dawn
the new titan torment is also dog water
smoky vale
i keep getting a cringus error
dense elbow
Dont worry, we are fine, worst case we get some 3% aura buffs as needed
dense elbow
It really was
young swan
Dont worry, we are fine, worst case we get some 3% aura buffs as needed
u just have to stop
charred scroll
agreed with gio
red berry
i have complicated feelings on whether or not it was, 'unhealthy' - our burst potential was too high. they nerfed that. i realize my position will always come from someone that really just doesn't care about raid
what i enjoy is keys
charred scroll
that is also mainly the issue, majority of the times they balance while looking at raid
red berry
in five targets, it was still too much
dense elbow
Hear you, but it was basically a talent that made it so that Odyn's couldnt do damage on its own - as it could be doubled up'd.
red berry
which is where the raid is concerned
sullen dove
was only one odyns in legion and that felt good
red berry
tru
sullen dove
if it just do magic dmg again ignoring armor probably a huge step
red berry
they just need to make it worth pressing
acoustic yoke
their fault for having adds on like every fight that die fast
sullen dove
tuning later maybe
dense elbow
Tuning will come, then all is good
sullen dove
but should be good nuff on its own to like hitting it
dense elbow
Other than maybe that reck talent and tierset
we shall see. But I believe Odyn's will survive and come out stronger than ever
acoustic yoke
i just want the dead talents to go
charred scroll
buffs will come. they have to. if they don't then blizzard probably going back on their word or are genuinely silly and don't know what to do with their own class
i maybe coping but to assume buffs are coming would be reasonable
dense elbow
Cope is good, no need to doomium just yet
First they gotta bugfix their stuff, then they will prob tune abit
Hopefully they get some time to do that for warrior
young swan
best not to assume anything
hardy bluff
i think its totally fair to completly freak out right now
young swan
at least nothing good
thick fossil
Shit it's not even letting me copy my character over.
pallid wolf
what i enjoy is keys
being good at killing trash = mad skills.
radiant plank
3% aura buff
dense elbow
3% aura buff, indeed
young swan
buffs will come. they have to. if they don't then blizzard probably going back o...
their track record since bfa has been exactly not knowing what to do with the class so
charred scroll
their track record since bfa has been exactly not knowing what to do with the cl...
that's exactly why i'm hesitant, i haven't been here for long but even i know that
i'm hesitant but still hopeful
dense elbow
To be fair, TWW beta was fire. Big burst dam, big fun
So they got the idea, they just... raid balance the fun out of it :v
charred scroll
it just makes sense for them to buff odyn's at the very least
radiant plank
blizzard not good at doing things that makes sense when it comes to warrior
dense elbow
I just hope the tierset doesnt feel overly clunky, and got a nice flow of resets and procs
young swan
it makes sense for them to do a lot of things but they just dont do those things
charred scroll
what makes me hopeful if they can do a lotta good stuff here with the titan's torment change, not being able to do so many abilities in so little globals and them having such a shit track record on what to do with the class makes me hesitant
regal vector
I have not seen anything that shows me that they have a clear idea of what warriors should be
young swan
TT change good, we happy :)
well considering new TT is dead in the water, not really
but i get what u mean
old TT being dead is good
dense elbow
<3
young swan
the replacement is just actually terrible
dense elbow
How does the tireset feel tho?
charred scroll
not into ptr yet but new tt feels shit?
dense elbow
(all but the removal of TT is shit, is the tldr)
young swan
not into ptr yet but new tt feels shit?
its just less BBs than taking zerkers torment for extra duration lol
winter shoal
charred scroll
buffs are more than likely to come
dense elbow
There we go, accept the mantra:
This is fine, we are fine, all is fine
thick fossil
This is bullshit, I can copy my hunter but not my warrior.
formal ravine
On the bright side i am easily keeping 10 stacks of set
regal vector
the way to do it now is scream and cry about needing buffs, hide sims and intentionally deceive no matter the actual case
formal ravine
It's not removing it that much, though idk if it's intended
dense elbow
the way to do it now is scream and cry about needing buffs, hide sims and intent...
we aint rets, we dont do that here
charred scroll
<:copiumTruck1:1247905889135099980><:copiumTruck2:1247905887209652375><:copiumTr...
gonna need to be bigger than that bud
charred scroll
the way to do it now is scream and cry about needing buffs, hide sims and intent...
it works for others so it's a fair shout
formal ravine
Hide sims lmao
Cus yeah they do not have any way to measure things
They are relying on sims. . .
glad coyote
seems cool that we get spear back with ava and dr
radiant plank
They use hc logs 
regal vector
Sims drive community perception which shape design decisions
red berry
i still dont understand why the tierset raging blow proc is 2 extra rage
just give it another 10% crit damage or something, since they seem so inclined
formal ravine
Cus as we've seen since dragonflight they do not like RB
They went away from it in df
they are going away from it in multiple ways
dense elbow
Do we really need more power into our builders tho? Kinda feel they dominating everything already
fickle bluff
its just less BBs than taking zerkers torment for extra duration lol
so the solution is to nerf berserkers torment
back down to 4s
young swan
so the solution is to nerf berserkers torment <a:chatting:1266019851743399996>
i was just thinking about this lmfao
formal ravine
Also for the record, the bleed from BB doesn't cleave
They did it same shit as df season 3 set
bullshiiiiit
radiant plank
neither RA ability cleaves
dense elbow
No way, it doesnt cleave?
radiant plank
so you basicallt dont do aoe during reck
dense elbow
There is no way that is intended
dense elbow
send em bug reports, cause that is sillybilly levels
charred scroll
neither RA ability cleaves
regal vector
lets play the game "bug or poor design choice"
red berry
it only does 70-73k per tick
its weaker then gushing wound by far
its only grace is that it can be extended so long
charred scroll
think it's best to come back later when they send out some bug fixes
red berry
but i assume that'll be buffed
formal ravine
neither RA ability cleaves
What do you mean? They both cleave fine
The bleed simply doesn't apply from BB
the bleed doesn't apply on cleave i mean, it's only main target
radiant plank
idk Bloodbath atleast wasnt cleaving for me
formal ravine
It is
dense elbow
it cant crit
Ok, I am starting to feel the doomium creepin'
red berry
bloodbath is cleaving, the dot isnt
formal ravine
That's what i said
red berry
yes
formal ravine
Both bb and rb are cleaving fine, teh dot is only applying to main target
Though it's so insignificant atm
That i feel like AM might be better
red berry
in theory once RA is tuned it'll probably end up stronger
which feels odd since they wanted AM to be competitive
red berry
its total trash and i have no idea how they are supposed to make it an attractive choice except for making it so bloodthirst has no GCD during the window
and that would be
gross
charred scroll
they ain't ever doing that
red berry
it could buff damage outside of the avatar buff but it wont do that
red berry
sort of
young swan
You already get part of that from burst of power
just 0 CD, hes saying no GCD
formal ravine
Yeah but that makes no sense either
young swan
so u could press other buttons while bbing
formal ravine
since when an offensive ability would go out of th gcd
glad coyote
what build is everybody using on ptr?
glad coyote
so no spear?
young swan
they dont like it thats why they removed it, but it would prob be good
formal ravine
Well no spear for aoe at least
Gotta wait next week's patch notes as it is
Nothing has changed
It has changed for the worse lmao
red berry
so u could press other buttons while bbing
yes exactly. being able to do your rotation while managing bloodthirst during that window would make it significantly stronger
give it actual value
more importantly
if you're playing mountain thane
thick fossil
Does anyone have any idea why I can't copy my warrior over?
Was able to copy my hunter, but the Warrior keeps saying copy failed.
red berry
you don't have to worry about stacking thuderclap procs
young swan
Does anyone have any idea why I can't copy my warrior over?
Was able to copy my ...
no idea, mine went off without a hitch
hardy bluff
Does anyone have any idea why I can't copy my warrior over?
Was able to copy my ...
are you logged into it?
formal ravine
You don't have to worry about that either way
pallid wolf
Does anyone have any idea why I can't copy my warrior over?
Was able to copy my ...
I cant even log into PTR it just says no realms available
red berry
yyyeesss you do
formal ravine
No you don't
thick fossil
are you logged into it?
I only have the PTR open.
red berry
and it was difficult to not press clap because ideally
in that window
you want to just slam bloodthirst
its the point of the window
its literally the buff
formal ravine
Yeah which has enough duration for you to not worry about it
you won't run out of a stack before you press it usually
red berry
its less about running out of the stack
and more that
you cannot get more then 2 procs
so you want to send it
its priority
fickle bluff
surely they add it to the whitelist
fickle bluff
also
red berry
yeah
young swan
cause that is crazy bad damage with both amps 
red berry
yeah no it was
super bad
roar in general feels very limp on 5 targets
but it'll be very big in keys
young swan
oh my
young swan
red berry
🤔
slim coral
dapper goblet
lets get a mute on baze
radiant plank
Another stray bullet has hit arms
slim coral
lets get a mute on baze
fickle bluff
anyone techd if VC buffs the bleed damage
formal ravine
What why would it ?
fickle bluff
it doesnt
slim coral
This RA change ain't it
fickle bluff
and because its all technically "bloodthirst"
formal ravine
BTW IDK if it's intended but ravager is allowing a double dip on BB
while ravager is on it's BBing and you can press BB too
So worth spamming it
fickle bluff
of course
fickle bluff
yeah are you aware of the RA changes
gloomy zenith
is this a bug on the ptr?
young swan
no
formal ravine
no they changed it
gloomy zenith
or you play sudden death as slayer now`?
formal ravine
you need to have SD now
fast mural
you need sudden death now
gloomy zenith
ahhh noooo
thick fossil
Yup, bug fixed.
gloomy zenith
i hate it xD
charred scroll
fast mural
more SD procs
radiant plank
fast mural
yo we playing AM now ?
winter shoal
We win
formal ravine
Is ok
thick fossil
Weeeeee, more SD procs which still hit like a wet noodle again.
formal ravine
got time for tuning
gloomy zenith
Now you finally play thane in all situations?
modest condor
yeah ofcourse im just semi-memeing
lean heart
AM thane actually so fun on live i think its my favorite build to run
formal ravine
and not cleaving too
modest condor
it's day 1 and ptr has been up for an hour
formal ravine
The cleave part i feel might be intentional
similar to what they did in DF season 3 set
fast mural
ngl the new RA looks nice
thick fossil
it's day 1 and ptr has been up for an hour
Surely we'll see changes.
radiant plank
Hey guys, so in TWW S2 my guild will take a more serious approach to raiding and start progressing Heroic, so I need to prepare. Could you guys basically write down the entire rotation, for every single situation, two months before the patch comes out? I am a very serious player, and most definitely a min/maxer, so I need to know! Do we use Execute when the guy gets below 35% or what? Is it worth it? I am also a hardcore transmogger, so please tell me which racial is the best for fury? Oh and by the way, fury or arms in TWW s2? xD or is it too soon to say
modest condor
i mean i like the idea of new RA, it's just giga weak right now
final birch
Hey guys, so in TWW S2 my guild will take a more serious approach to raiding and start progressing Heroic, so I need to prepare. Could you guys basically write down the entire rotation, for every single situation, two months before the patch comes out? I am a very serious player, and most definitely a min/maxer, so I need to know! Do we use Execute when the guy gets below 35% or what? Is it worth it? I am also a hardcore transmogger, so please tell me which racial is the best for fury? Oh and by the way, fury or arms in TWW s2? xD or is it too soon to say
modest condor
Hey guys, so in TWW S2 my guild will take a more serious approach to raiding and start progressing Heroic, so I need to prepare. Could you guys basically write down the entire rotation, for every single situation, two months before the patch comes out? I am a very serious player, and most definitely a min/maxer, so I need to know! Do we use Execute when the guy gets below 35% or what? Is it worth it? I am also a hardcore transmogger, so please tell me which racial is the best for fury? Oh and by the way, fury or arms in TWW s2? xD or is it too soon to say
fast mural
yeah was talking about the designe of it not the numbers
iron plaza
The cleave part i feel might be intentional
Wait the bleed doesn't apply to additional targets via whirlwind stacks ?
frank dawn
Fury deadge
modest condor
we should change the channel description to
frank dawn
Numbers deadge
fast mural
we just need to hope blizz puts a shit ton of small adds on every bossfight
they always do
formal ravine
@iron plaza nop
dense elbow
2.1%
gloomy zenith
you play as fury aj and sd? or only SD?
slim coral
2.1% <:critcake:984549832511344640>
this was on 3 mobs too
dense elbow
Say sike right now
red berry
idk what they should do but TT really aint it
tired orchid
Lol
young swan
Say sike right now
did u expect something different..?
charred scroll
this was on 3 mobs too
nvm we're so fucked
fast mural
its not day 1 its day -60
red berry
charred scroll
just kidding
slim coral
I can't find out where this weapon drops from tho
dense elbow
did u expect something different..?
radiant plank
lmao it's day 1
already went tvru this in tww beta, called spec shit and it stayed shit
fast mural
already went tvru this in tww beta, called spec shit and it stayed shit
by beta do you mean heroic week ?
young swan
we were amazing for like
radiant plank
I played arms
young swan
the first 3 days of early access
radiant plank
not fury
young swan
we stopped being amazing when they nerfed unhinged
fast mural
your mistake
lilac plinth
any fury warrior streaming ptr on twitch ?
lean heart
this looks good
young swan
But for 3 weeks were pretty fine
yeah true
formal ravine
rampage is not hitting hard enough
even at 10 stacks
i hate having our spender being so shit
formal ravine
Genuinely right now with this RA, the reason i am pressing rampage is to not press RB
radiant plank
Rampage didnt exist till legion
young swan
also rampage is teh entire class fantasy of fury no way they delete that
it wasnt always
radiant plank
it is not class fantasy
fast mural
it was since legion
lean heart
inc rampage dmg buff 50% trust
modest condor
Rampage didnt exist till legion
Chatting it existed as a crit buff
radiant plank
Chatting it existed as a crit buff
young swan
LOL
lean heart
LMAO
modest condor
28 hits means 7 casts tho
lean heart
imagine that sub 35% w VC
thick fossil
Cool ... so we really don't care about spender if BB is available.
fast mural
fury > arms in execute
we are back
lean heart
or is that already sub 35
formal ravine
I don't mind BB being a good to press ability
modest condor
i mean ability that is only available for a limited amount of time does more damage than ability that you use every 4 seconds isnt really a wild concept
formal ravine
But rampage being that low feels so meh
It's a spender after all not a noodle
It's not a wild concept but atm usually you break even with rampage-bb on st
fast mural
"that low" litteraly 2nd highest dmg
formal ravine
or roughly even
young swan
still a funny screenshot out of context
modest condor
i mean there's this
formal ravine
@young swan that's why i gave context 😄
lilac plinth
anyone streamin PTR pls
iron plaza
i mean ability that is only available for a limited amount of time does more dam...
True but we only have a spender and it's Rampage, having a generator dominate on our one and only spender is like wtf, like what's the point of rage being a thing at this rate
Must get that capstone called AM for your class resource to be meaningful
edgy widget
Wait the bleed doesn't apply to additional targets via whirlwind stacks ?
I mean this is probably unintended, so I wouldn't read too far into it
iron plaza
I mean this is probably unintended, so I wouldn't read too far into it
That would be wild if it's intended lmao
Big huge buffs and changes inc
COPIUM
lament otter
Do you still need to actively apply for PTR?
fast mural
i mean, its not the first time they didnt let something cleave
and when they did they stopped it cleaving
edgy widget
never did
young swan
its not an application u just opt in im pretty sure
red berry
arms is slamming 5 target tho
winter shoal
Don't even need to opt in
frank dawn
PTR always just on the launcher, install/play for anyone
winter shoal
You just download the client
lament otter
Huh, ok
charred scroll
why does my ptr say no realms available?
winter shoal
Don't even need a subscription
lament otter
So thats for expansions only then?
charred scroll
am i missing something
frank dawn
am i missing something
there are two ptr versions, make sure you have 11.1
lament otter
ic ic
frank dawn
or servers could be down, bugs and stuff, idk
charred scroll
yeah it's 11.1
young swan
when u log in does it ask u which wow version u want to use
charred scroll
nope
young swan
usually like wow1/wow7 or wow2/9 or some shit
charred scroll
directly goes to retrieving realm list and then no realms available
young swan
no idea then
edgy oasis
let me get this straight. Reckless gives us tons of rage via initial cast and 100% more per empowered ability - couple that with Rampage being 60 rage spender....we will have 100 rage indefinitely. Spam Bloodthirst/bath and rampage.
storm rune
did you create a ptr account?
formal ravine
@edgy oasis as it's tuned rn it's nto worth taking TT
Also even without TT i am drowning in rage
red berry
lmao
edgy widget
let me get this straight. Reckless gives us tons of rage via initial cast and 10...
assuming you take Titan's Torment, but it seems pretty dead atm
formal ravine
I practically am getting a rampage every rotation of abilities
edgy widget
Reck has always flooded you with rage though, so that's not really anything new
charred scroll
did you create a ptr account?
uhm not sure what's the way to do it?
storm rune
uhm not sure what's the way to do it?
edgy widget
no it uses your regular account
formal ravine
does UF proc extend reck like before?
edgy widget
yes it works the same way as before
upper grove
Why do I hear from people that Ovi egg is a sim trap for M+? B/c that's factoring perfect balance of 20/10? I always select other trinkets to compare but egg is always highest in M+ sims I do (along with transmitter). I've tried just spamming 10s to watch the differences but that also takes into account tank speed/pulls/etc. to my knowledge.
I've checked archongg and ugg for m+ popularity and ofc it's Sac and Shard/Mark/Transmitter so really I guess why Sac over Ovi in all those reports (if any reason except the perfect 20/10 split?)
young swan
Why do I hear from people that Ovi egg is a sim trap for M+? B/c that's factorin...
nobody wants to manage the annoying move/no move trinket
slim coral
it bothers me to not know whether to prio bb cb or rampage during this ra window
upper grove
nobody wants to manage the annoying move/no move trinket
Yea I usually let it do what it's gonna do and see what happens lol, usually.
dense elbow
BB procs reap, so reap
young swan
BB procs reap, so reap <:Hydrate:690891013350228028>
the bleed?
or the button
cause it always did that
upper grove
nobody wants to manage the annoying move/no move trinket
but yea so essentially, unless you're keeping 20/10, Sac is better
wary fjord
gamble on the reap
slim coral
I'm playing thane rn
gloomy zenith
whats your ptrs builds?
wary fjord
99% of gamblers give up before they proc 6 reaps in a row
gloomy zenith
slayer and m+
wary fjord
damn
gloomy zenith
and builds for thane xD
formal ravine
@slim coral it's BB by far hardest hitting
slim coral
and builds for thane xD
I'm trying this currently
dense elbow
I respect that you still bring Odyn's
tepid gorge
I can't find out where this weapon drops from tho
Are these real? lol
slim coral
Are these real? lol
yes
tepid gorge
What dungeon are those in
wheat oyster
I can't find out where this weapon drops from tho
likely new delves
slim coral
I can't find where it drops
young swan
my bet is its from a delve or some shit
young swan
u get hero from bountiful
formal ravine
I see
dense elbow
yep, the maps
formal ravine
makes sense then
fast mural
gavel
tepid gorge
Ahh well I just realized it doesn’t have any secondary stats on it the effect is cool but it won’t get any play
wary fjord
pls no gavel again
hardy bluff
we get a token eventually tho
wary fjord
oh tru, forgot token
formal ravine
It's literally the shadow weapon enchant we got now in a mace form
It stacks 25 times 1k dmg per stack
but it has no duration on the dot
It's till target dies
wary fjord
wack
tepid gorge
i linked it above
This weapon goes BRRR
wary fjord
oh nice, it even has stats
slim coral
stats don't really matter if the passive is good
KT weapon was really good without stats
wary fjord
ye, but stats + random passive is nice
formal ravine
Okay it feels SO bad to press thunder clap and RB during cds now
You're wasting so much dmg from BB
wary fjord
wtf
young swan
dude what
wary fjord
no please
sullen dove
thats funny lol
wary fjord
they hate us
frank dawn
hardy bluff
they loved alakir loot
young swan
cant wait to high roll mast/haste and lose it to a boomkin
high echo
+cirt
+vers
gz
frank dawn
cant wait to high roll mast/haste and lose it to a boomkin
bold of you to assume a warrior will be in raid at that point
wary fjord
cant wait to have to get multiple of that ring for playing each spec on a class
hardy bluff
that ring will be the hardest thing to hunt probably
wary fjord
formal ravine
cant wait to high roll mast/haste and lose it to a boomkin
Sorry let me fix that a bit, can't wait for itto roll high mastery and any second off stat and lose it to everyone in the game
frank dawn
formal ravine
6200 mastery idc what the other stat is
And that's on 665 ilvl
it can upgrade even lmao
formal ravine
Where's that ring from ?
slim coral
Where's that ring from ?
the one arm-bandit
lilac plinth
the one arm-bandit
are u streaming ?
slim coral
are u streaming ?
I am not right now
slim pollen
Sorry let me fix that a bit, can't wait for itto roll high mastery and any secon...
And then you end up getting the worst combination on it in vault
fast mural
can you use your dinar to set the stats on it is the important question
gloomy zenith
how the new talents affect our rota as fury as thane fury?
young swan
finally no longer punished as bad for downtime lol
dunno about that the damage is actually piss
on the bleed that is
gloomy zenith
i do on the aoe training targets lower dps as in retail xD
wary fjord
the dot is low damage ye
willow cradle
dunno about that the damage is actually piss
That's a shame lol
dense elbow
well, dam is just tuning, and it isnt supposed to carry the dam alone :o
If OF is 1.5%, then I presume the new RA should be around the same in total
smoky vale
just to make sure our bugs are we cant cleave during recklessness and bleed doesnt extend
anymore out there?
wheat oyster
i do like that they're finally accepting a class with a blood craze theme to have bleeds. though no idea what arms identity will be if fury gets dots
modest condor
If OF is 1.5%, then I presume the new RA should be around the same in total
you should be comparing it to AM, not OF
and AM is way more than that
dense elbow
Fair, also without TT to force OF and BS lineup, it is even more
BS will go more often go burrr, just for less
slim coral
There's a weapon in every dungeon that drops for warrior so I don't think farming for a weapon is gonna suck
only mechagon doesnt drop a weapon from what I can see
dense elbow
What did they do with the 2nd part ring?
slim coral
I don't see the ring
violet condor
why would they ever make something like this...
wheat oyster
is it on rare roll loot table?
slim coral
nope
wheat oyster
that's intelligent
im not against rng stat rolls but i think it should be a separate loot roll on top of boss drops
frank dawn
Idk I think it’s kinda cool. Chance for it to high weight your best stat
If basically everyone wants it to heavy weight mastery maybe that’s less cool at that point. Idk what stats are like across the specs
young swan
new swirlie looks good
young swan
shares cd with trinkis
gloomy zenith
can it be possible then arms is stronger then fury?
upbeat plume
I mean in what capacity that question means nothing without specific criteria
dense elbow
Fury use 2x 2h, arms 1x 2h - so Fury is stronger, as lifts twice as much
gloomy zenith
okay then iam stupid to play the new fury xD
sour frigate
Fury use 2x 2h, arms 1x 2h - so Fury is stronger, as lifts twice as much
not only lifts but also damn grip strength
sour frigate
huge
dense elbow
There is no chance for human error there, Arms is better confirmed
sonic shoal
Arms is squishier and overall in dungs comes to pretty much the same
sour frigate
why no one wants play arms ...
gloomy zenith
why no one wants play arms ...
because you have only 1 big weapon!
wheat oyster
fury warriors HATE seeing 6 mil crit demolishes
gloomy zenith
how do you do 6 mil BB?
dense elbow
A lot of modifiers
lean heart
hit the button harder
smoky vale
pot
fast mural
can it be possible then arms is stronger then fury?
depends on how many adds the bosses have
gloomy zenith
depends on how many adds the bosses have <:keks:936231610850897992>
iam talking on m+ raid its completely wayne our guild only does aotc xD
flat river
LETS FUCKING GO
slim coral
yes
smoky vale
XD
covert blaze
