but for whatever reason with details the first warrior to get hit with the spell reflect takes credit for the dmg of both reflects
#arms
minor gust
dull siren
but for whatever reason with details the first warrior to get hit with the spell...
that's why u go closer always
for a better details
Chatting
dull siren
xdd
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wait what got reflected
boreal quartz
wait what got reflected
Line p2
lean geode
Shoutout Tmy for giving me these and for discussing deviations from the sim APL - I just opened the pull request to WoWAnalyzer so hopefully that should be merged by like the end of the week and you arms enjoyers can actually use it again
rare kite
Correct
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blizz coding
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Not exactly new tech but ye
just not something you’d expect to work
woven wasp
also you never expect spell reflect to work a certain way
its always doing something wacky
wooden lava
do you guys feel like colossus arms does a bunch of work, only to end up being mediocre in damage
the only exception i'd make is my gear is suited for fury
boreal quartz
the only exception i'd make is my gear is suited for fury
How much crit do u have
Colo fiends for crit
wooden lava
damn that's unfortunate, i have 14% crit
boreal quartz
Try run a topgear to full recraft/regem ur shit to crit
Should be a big diff
(still wont do slayer damage)
wooden lava
Is slayer Arms better?
boreal quartz
Ye
boreal quartz
Better at putting you to sleep
Blord no jugg colo on court
Is the closest it gets to being ok
And even then if u push into exe by i2
Slayer does more i think
wooden lava
Colossus is better for M+ tho right?
quaint otter
do you guys feel like colossus arms does a bunch of work, only to end up being m...
Not really its kinda straightforward gameplay
A bit more complicated than ret but actually easy
boreal quartz
Colossus is better for M+ tho right?
Generally
swift shell
hey there, I'm struggling to understand how the next tier set will impact our rotation, as i understand it, it incentivize to not press overpower until the buff is sufficently stacked. Is that correct or it wont change our rotation that much ?
naive sage
hey there, I'm struggling to understand how the next tier set will impact our ro...
Ptr is not up yet so noone nose
👃
manic egret
How do ppl have 652 ring already if it was only 3 quests?
eager sigil
How do ppl have 652 ring already if it was only 3 quests?
exploiting
brittle fiber
have people been simming with wayward lantern
tiny agate
wayward lantern rules
also question about using cleave and mortal strike within rotation in m+ its fine to use them without overpower buffs right?
or do i just slam
robust coyote
damn that's unfortunate, i have 14% crit
I was in the same boat, but had modified most of my gear with the catalyzer and got up to 31% crit and arms feels insanely good now
tiny agate
how much haste do we want?
tiny agate
How do ppl have 652 ring already if it was only 3 quests?
2 ways, the faction change exploit, and i heard it has a chance to drop from one of the bosses
tough tangle
2 ways, the faction change exploit, and i heard it has a chance to drop from one...
In raid or on the siren isle?
eager sigil
2 ways, the faction change exploit, and i heard it has a chance to drop from one...
it cant drop from any bosses
tiny agate
In raid or on the siren isle?
siren isle, ive had guild members claim it did
but eh ive never had it drop myself
eager sigil
fake news
tough tangle
guildies may be pulling your leg or covering up their faction change abuse lol
shadow ibex
Where's that build
thick kelp
Chance to drop from bosses is only if u are behind on ring ilvl
sharp tendon
what is best to sim droptimiser for m + dungeon slice ?
quaint otter
dungeon slice is not ok mostly
sim 1target 5 mins or 3 mins
for burst 5-10 targets 40 sec
sharp tendon
thx
remote acorn
What’s the odds arms passes fury for M+ in season 2
quaint otter
🔮
serene hollow
remote acorn
When it going to be our time to shine dang
naive sage
When it going to be our time to shine dang
Never, once in a while we will perform good in raid and that’s it
lean geode
Howdy arms enjoyers, it's your friendly neighborhood oatmeal eater back again to let you know that arms is now also (kind of) supported in WoWAnalyzer
Things it does:
Check your casts against the sim APL
Check that you're using your major cds as many times as you can
Check that you're syncing your BS with CS/Ava
Shows you which specific casts were incorrect, and tells you why (although the grammar for the tooltip is a little sus, not much I could do about that)
Things it doesn't do:
Probably a lot of things, I was mostly just updating the existing (3 year old) APL checker
Handle high-roll gamba situations where you intentionally deviate from the APL and hope for rage refunds/cd resets
As with the previous changes for fury, I'm not sure when exactly these changes will be deployed and available, but the PR has been merged
Some sample screenshots:
boreal quartz
Good work
naive sage
Howdy arms enjoyers, it's your friendly neighborhood oatmeal eater back again to...
King
lean geode
Oh one more thing I should note, it only really supports slayer atm
It does support both opportunist and FF slayer, but doesn't check anything related to colossus whatsoever
If I get some time I should be able to add colossus support without too much trouble, but it's not a high priority atm
naive sage
If I get some time I should be able to add colossus support without too much tro...
That's what blizzard says, probably
hazy flower
👍 wowanalyzer is a great tool for begineers
Especially if youre new/too lazy to check these things on logs
minor gust
Never used it but good job
hazy flower
Its great when youre checking someone that does negative dps without knowing what his class does
As well
Especially if youre playing with him more than once (:
minor gust
Some people just don't press their buttons enough. I learned this while playing classic and was confused why the frost mage was doing so little dmg when their rotation is just press frostbolt.
1 minute fight 10 casts
lean geode
Its great when youre checking someone that does negative dps without knowing wha...
The main reason I bothered to update it for Fury at all was how many people would post logs for review and they would do things that were somewhat intuitive, but entirely incorrect, namely using rampage and execute whenever possible
If there's a tool that'll tell them that and direct them to the guides for more information, it means I don't have to
shadow ibex
Where is new build
lean geode
Some people just don't press their buttons enough. I learned this while playing ...
That reminds me of another note, I think the downtime tracker in wowanalyzer is a little bit fucked and will say your downtime is way higher than it actually is. Not sure why or how that whole module even works, but also not a high priority atm
minor gust
Where is new build
Spear + Roar
hazy flower
That reminds me of another note, I think the downtime tracker in wowanalyzer is ...
Does it account time in combat or does it also think about the fact u dont dps insta when u get in combat
Like say tank is gathering and u spread rend
U wont do ur actual rotation then
Im guessing youre talking about keys right
lean geode
No, I've only ever run it on logs for raid fights lol
And almost exclusively single target raid fights
low hanging fruit type shit
dire hinge
That reminds me of another note, I think the downtime tracker in wowanalyzer is ...
depends on the fight too, but yeah, i think it's just raw combat-start vs combat-end and your APM throughout it. It doesn't pick up on things like mechanics assignments that can cause downtime to my knowledge.
take a lot of auto-generated audits with massive grains of salt
great for seeing the low hanging fruit like you mentioned (did you miss 3 casts of Avatar? Forgot to eat food?) but nuanced stuff it gets kinda shaky with
(and goes out of date quickly)
fresh spire
How bloated can this shit get
spear roar avatar odyns
tranquil sundial
cant believe how underrated intervene is for raiding
its such a free tool on say ansurek mythic
minor gust
Intervene go woosh for intermission and p2
shadow ibex
I intervened tanks too many times in sl
tranquil sundial
a mere 19 % pickrate for arms and 9 for fury
shadow ibex
Ptsd still
tranquil sundial
gromnak moment
shadow ibex
Last time I used it on Sylv prog p1 charged back in only I intervened cuz charge and mouseover intervene on same button and I was mousing over a tank
Since then no
tacit crystal
dire hinge
Last time I used it on Sylv prog p1 charged back in only I intervened cuz charge...
the 14min deep wipes
never again
brittle fiber
ptr this week so we can test how shit the arms tier is gonna be
There’s no way the tier sets dont get revamped……right?
minor gust
fury tier history says no
brittle fiber
fury tier history says no
teal fossil
Howdy arms enjoyers, it's your friendly neighborhood oatmeal eater back again to...
good work
from my understanding wowanalyzer is insanely difficult
lean geode
from my understanding wowanalyzer is insanely difficult
Honestly it hasn't been that bad to work with, but it's all typescript stuff and that's most of what I do for work, although it's a React app and I mostly work on Angular stuff. Getting things 100% perfect and accounting for more niche use cases would be monstrous, but just getting the basic stuff set up isn't bad past the initial learning curve of a new code base
They told me to pound sand and then went back to frogposting
fresh spire
fury is ape channel
arms is sometimes monkey mode but for most part just chill and quiet
shadow ibex
Where build
delicate siren
okay guys, sorry for dumb question... but is there any reason why i shouldnt macro my avatar to CS/WB?
dire hinge
within dungeons there might be times where you want to save Avatar for a larger, upcoming, or difficult pack, but you want to send WB on the current pack (say it's at half health and you can get it back before the next back). If you macro them together, Avatar would send into a low-hp pack and not be ready for the big spooky one next pull
it's good to have the ability to send them separately
tacit crystal
okay guys, sorry for dumb question... but is there any reason why i shouldnt mac...
because they perma desync
tacit crystal
within dungeons there might be times where you want to save Avatar for a larger,...
his answer is better
but the desyncing is also not good
delicate siren
yeah okay thats my thoughts. i was probably going to have a naked WB, and a WB + avatar macro to split for that exact circumstance. same keybinds, just wanted to make sure if i want them to sync, one less button
delicate siren
within dungeons there might be times where you want to save Avatar for a larger,...
thanks heaps
dire hinge
yee of course, good luck out there
brittle fiber
Same as it was a month ago
wooden tide
bet youre the life of the party huh
shadow ibex
sim 5 target and look at the apl if you want to know direct from source
brittle fiber
bet youre the life of the party huh
you asked a straightforward question i gave a straightforward answer
no need to fluff
wooden tide
youre a cornball
reef glade
meanest Canadian argument
rocky quartz
Should I be trying to empower my cleave in aoe with Op stacks or should I cast cleave on cd/soon as possible
dire hinge
Should I be trying to empower my cleave in aoe with Op stacks or should I cast c...
In AoE you're mostly casting Cleave regardless of stacks, but you're spamming Overpower as your filler between so it'll naturally get stacked up
rocky quartz
Ok ty. I think I’ve been over prioritizing stacks when I could be casting cleave more
dire hinge
doing colossus or slayer?
rocky quartz
Colossus right now
dire hinge
yeah, in big trash packs Cleave is your highest spell (behind major CDs, sweeping strikes, etc)
uneven carbon
yeah, in big trash packs Cleave is your highest spell (behind major CDs, sweepin...
Is MS not 2nd in line due to the CDR os prowide towards Demolish?
Or os OP due to buffing cleave. And come to think of it does that change during MGB?
cloud gyro
fresh spire
Ms prio is dependent on if you are running dn/soa rn. Though this might just flat out not be the case next patch with mp nerfed and ms/cleave baseline buffed.
thick kelp
sure
lean geode
Fury a little tankier, but tbh in most cases if you were gonna die on one spec you would've died on the other
Neither spec is living a charge on court bc web people goofed
quasi torrent
Neither spec is living a charge on court bc web people goofed
p sure thane fury can live it
but its a press all buttons angle
not that it fucking matters
daring heron
How did your shard get misaligned in the first place when both are the same cd?
weak wave
Is there an Embellished that increases crit chance?
woven wasp
dawnthread lining
eager sigil
How did your shard get misaligned in the first place when both are the same cd?
cdr affix i guess
tiny agate
How did your shard get misaligned in the first place when both are the same cd?
well um i was jsut asking if they should always be used together
thank you for that question to answer my question
ill walk out now
daring heron
Yeah use them together
tiny agate
thanks critcake, love ur arms runs
quasi torrent
i prefer when he runs using his legs
tiny agate
that dawnbreaker 15 was bussin
weak wave
dawnthread lining
How much crit does rank 3 give?
woven wasp
idk
quaint otter
750 iirc
dim basalt
They all give the same amount
woven wasp
also real
weak wave
And can I craft this on the engineering bracers?
dim basalt
No
weak wave
And engi glasses?
dim basalt
Engineering crafts cant use normal embellishments
They are in their own bubble basically
weak wave
Ahh k
shadow ibex
Where ptr build
naive sage
Where arms rework
wheat lagoon
No ptr build yet? SMH
woven wasp
servers should be up in 45 minutes
quasi torrent
<a:chatting:1266019851743399996> servers should be up in 45 minutes
Thats a chatting for sure
woven wasp
blizzard would never fail to meet server start times
thick kelp
gaunt owl
swift crown
rare kite
Where arms rework
2 expansions more
tacit crystal
when ptr server up
do you think its worth to just play arms on ptr
and not have to think about fury changes
charred brook
yeah fury is easy to learn anyways
charred brook
what!!!!
halcyon valve
teal fossil
i knew it
teal fossil
I mean that seemed obvious imo
we are so validated
thick kelp
no
lean geode
Based
naive sage
you can start dooming about 4P now
And there goes my chance of coming back to warrior for next season ✨ it’s over
rare kite
you can start dooming about 4P now
ahahahahahahah
smoky kayak
I mean that seemed obvious imo
obvious in the sense that it could only work in one of two ways, yes
we were just hoping that blizz would actually pick the good way for once
rare kite
lament elbow
warrior = ⚰️
minor gust
20% stacking mod is something you dont see Blizzard usually doing
rare kite
so this might actually be the worst tier bonus of all time. since i've played warrior atleast(legion)
fathom shoal
Wow gotta be a joke
smoky kayak
warrior = ⚰️
just Arms, so no change really 
flint plank
smoky kayak
so this might actually be the worst tier bonus of all time. since i've played wa...
DF S1 Fury still worse
might be tied with TWW S1 Fury launch though
shadow ibex
obvious in the sense that it could only work in one of two ways, yes
we were jus...
They're batting like 0/8
I mean shit only reason we got a good one in s4 was we voted 
rare kite
DF S1 Fury still worse
might be tied with TWW S1 Fury launch though
even after the df s1 fury buff? even so, the s1 fury set was atleast fun. not tested this arms set, but i doubt it's very fun
minor gust
I hope some degenerate shit like we completely ignore OP comes out now
shadow ibex
I'd prefer a brand new tier set instead of this hastily thrown together shit
lean geode
I hope some degenerate shit like we completely ignore OP comes out now
Honestly this is what's most likely to make them change the tier
minor gust
^
smoky kayak
even after the df s1 fury buff? even so, the s1 fury set was atleast fun. not te...
after the buff it was like +4% lol
lean geode
Fury tier has created some insanely degenerate shit and gotten RA reworked like 4 times now because of it
minor gust
like if we cry its just undertuned it will never get buffed
thick kelp
lean geode
TBT to DF s2 when your rotation was ramp bb bt ramp bb bt with no deviation
Or maybe that was s3 idr
naive sage
Don’t worry guys it’s just the beginning of PTR they can rework it anytime 
minor gust
Don’t worry guys it’s just the beginning of PTR they can rework it anytime <:cop...
We can only hope remember DF Season 2 original arms tier set
SLAM
lean geode
God that set was so bad
shadow ibex
Went from the worst tier set possible
To the worst tier set possible
The replacement they made was ass juice too
minor gust
yeah
naive sage
We can only hope remember DF Season 2 original arms tier set
I do remember, it’s the only hope we have
minor gust
imagine if that MS frontal actually did dmg or something useful like apply deep wounds
naive sage
arms s3 was fun imo
Best
shadow ibex
Nope
naive sage
imagine if that MS frontal actually did dmg or something useful like apply deep ...
Also it had shit sfx
minor gust
yeah
rare kite
i cant wait to hit big OPs
🙂
shadow ibex
I fuckin love being told warrior is fine by people who didn't know warbringer wasn't warbreaker for a cpl years
charred brook
I fuckin love being told warrior is fine by people who didn't know warbringer wa...
mfw when i cast warbringer on multiple adds!!!
dim basalt
you can start dooming about 4P now
wtf is this
tacit crystal
@rare kite when i login to ptr
am i playing arms
or do i just play outlaw suboptimally
rare kite
yes. coz fury doesn't work rn
naive sage
I think they keep on buffing and making the spec work around overpower just because they think it has a cool name
naive sage
Wooo overpower warrior strong!!!
empty sluice
Good old dn
rare kite
like actually
yea bloodbath doesn't add duration. so RA is bricked
gaunt owl
I fuckin love being told warrior is fine by people who didn't know warbringer wa...
let me warbring in peace plz
tacit crystal
yea bloodbath doesn't add duration. so RA is bricked
oki im just going outlaw
i cba
naive sage
Good old dn
Correct me if I’m wrong but wasn’t dn strong in shadowlands?
charred brook
mfw i copy account data and settings and it doesnt copy over
empty sluice
Was strong in df too
naive sage
True but like, particularly strong in SL
empty sluice
Idk, its the same for a long time
Wish We had some bigger changes
Not Just splitting 1 talent into 2 and call it rework
naive sage
I see all the enha shamans on the discord being all hyped and frenetic about the changes and then there’s us
shadow ibex
I love their confidence. They nailed all 3 warrior specs. 0 reworks needed while every other class gets them
empty sluice
Wish they give us ret treatment
thick kelp
empty sluice
It pumps
empty sluice
There was no build this week, so maybe theyre cooking
shadow ibex
It's why arms has languished almost every tier until 6% increase either thru aura or buffing most abilities
naive sage
absolutely out of touch with reality
gaunt owl
its deader than dead
thick kelp
gaunt owl
lament elbow
⚰️
minor gust
candid pecan
Warrior dev sees that we're not happy (again). How can the dev solve this issue?
urban field
both then arbitrarily revert one
thick kelp
minor gust
silk spade
@smoky kayak
smoky kayak
?
silk spade
the prediction
smoky kayak
what prediction lol
silk spade
smoky kayak
it was always either one or the other lmao, a literal 50/50 coin flip
silk spade
that it waas probably duration
silk spade
it was always either one or the other lmao, a literal 50/50 coin flip
yeah it;s not that deep
smoky kayak
sure, you and everyone else who read the bonus correctly predicted it would do one of the two things it could concievably do 
silk spade
ok?
smoky kayak
I just dunno what you're going for here lol
silk spade
not going for anything
candid pecan
okay hear me out, either they change the 4p to value, or increase the bonus to 30% and call it a day
smoky kayak
okay hear me out, either they change the 4p to value, or increase the bonus to 3...
huge buffs
eager sigil
there are huge buffs coming (it came to me in a vision)
candid pecan
huge buffs?
smoky kayak
candid pecan
sharp wyvern
arms can never be good at the start of the tier
fringe moon
you can start dooming about 4P now
Does the timer get extended for additional stacks of the buff?
silk spade
I just dunno what you're going for here lol
just a funny remark, not everything has to be a debate 
sharp wyvern
we learned that by now
thick kelp
Does the timer get extended for additional stacks of the buff?
it can get over written so potentially changing a 20s buff to a 2s buff
smoky kayak
extending would be way too convenient
sharp wyvern
isnt that the design thats a casino
smoky kayak
remember what game you're playing
fringe moon
it can get over written so potentially changing a 20s buff to a 2s buff
Oh…well that’s just terrible design. Hopefully they change that’.
silk spade
perma extending doesnt sound too healthy either
not sure what they shoudl do about it tbh
smoky kayak
doesn't need to perma extend, just put a cap on it
or something fancier, like not allowing Winning Streak to be consumed while Hedged Bets is active
silk spade
wouldnt it be virtaully impossible to drop the buff if it extends in any way
thick kelp
Well once you get it rolling atleast once, you can keep a pretty good uptime on it till you proc it like sub 3 stacks from what i feel hitting a dummy for 10mins before bed
silk spade
real question idr the numbers
smoky kayak
wouldnt it be virtaully impossible to drop the buff if it extends in any way
no, because you still need to proc it again after the lockout period
silk spade
ah i forgot it has a lockout
smoky kayak
and with only a 15% chance, which isn't that high, that's far from a guarantee
it doesn't have a lockout, I'm saying it could
shadow ibex
It's OK we'll just suffer for 6 weeks get aura buffed, pump until the. 5 patch when everyone else will get new talents and back to bottom middle of the pack
smoky kayak
but all of this is secondary to the fact that it's a really bad bonus lol
shadow ibex
The way of the warrior by sun tzu
sharp wyvern
"just play fury " -blizz
smoky kayak
They could make it like +50% damage maybe
silk spade
this gamba design sounds annoying no matter how they tune it tbh
thick kelp
but all of this is secondary to the fact that it's a *really* bad bonus lol
they forgot to add a 0 to the 75%
smoky kayak
forgot to add a 0 to the 20
smoky kayak
they forgot to add a 0 to the 75%
Blizz would fix this by changing it to 75.0%
thick kelp
Blizz would fix this by changing it to 75.0%
5Head company
naive sage
"just play fury " -blizz
Since wotlk
thick kelp
Since wotlk
cata was still arms
gaunt owl
Legion was more Arms at first
BFA same
problem is both spec are equally in the gutter most of the time
this tier Fury was surprisingly the hard carry for raid encounters
and it got shot in the knee for it
hazy flower
cata was still arms
Ds arms peak
shadow ibex
Been half dead since bfa
Highlights are is Tom talented or not and is tuning so fucked that we need to stack multiple MS buffs to make iconic ability worth using
brittle fiber
fury hotfix this soon might be a good sign no? @smoky kayak
summer cargo
any warrior streaming ptr ?
finite wasp
wait hold on is arms able to spec into torment with roar talents fully speced in ptr
fresh spire
yep
random ibex
if i have a 639 weapon do i just default to duskthread/dawnthread?
eager sigil
sim it
random ibex
sadly i dont have a robot account :(O
swift crown
You dont need one
random ibex
not enough iterations
though
simming 5 gems with meta, dusk + writhing/wep embelishments and im at 395k
tacit crystal
maybe turn down sample size
grand idol
Weapon pair vs threads is like 40k iterations.
random ibex
im simming the 5 gems that go in my sockets and wep/writhing and dusk boots/wrists
random ibex
can gemming not change with gear?
grand idol
I suppose it can but were talking about hundreds of dps out of 1.5 million.
tacit crystal
well if you actually care about those gems
you know you are always going to get one of each
grand idol
Even less so if you're using a meta gem that locks 3 gems as "off" stat anyways along with its socket not mattering.
random ibex
fair
swift crown
Gems are pretty low-impact
overall
Just for comparison in DF S3 a gem was worth 4.3% of a mythic ilvl ring's secondary budget and this is with all the ilvl inflation of 3 seasons. In S1 TWW a Gem is worth 3.2% of a max ilvl ring's secondary budget
i.e. gems are quite a lot weaker in TWW S1 than they were in DF S3 comparatively, and they will obviously continue to become weaker going into next season
In S2 it'll be closer to 2.5%
maiden moat
how do you guys execoute ? just spam it and use MS / BS when rend / Deep Wounds expire ? or with 4P buff + OP Buff use ms?
random ibex
if i were to use ovinax egg what is the optimal way to use it? all str? or a mix?
hazy flower
Prob 20/10
20 str 10 secondary
Could always sim for exact values
It diminishes past 20 stacks so u dont want to stack 1 of them past the 20 threshold
sullen moat
is it me or am i totally blind here. i use a no rend build cos i like that. but when i sim my char rend shows up in the sim. Is it bloodletting being naughty and applying it even if rend is not taken ? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/e3PuFJVhbw5hGe9mNDrqUx
minor gust
ptr arms feels the same
why would it be any different
hazy flower
And it did 1.3% in your overall
So it would make sense that its just bloodletting somehow applying even though ure not talented into it
sullen moat
So it would make sense that its just bloodletting somehow applying even though u...
then im not blind 😄 good good
fresh spire
is it me or am i totally blind here. i use a no rend build cos i like that. but ...
@jovial marsh
Something for you to check for us 😮
Rends seeming being applied sub 35% through blood letting when rend isn't taken.
hazy flower
Arma is handling strictly simc stuff no
Maybe thats just how the game works
In-game is what i mean
fresh spire
dunno, talent clearly states when rend is taken
jovial marsh
in sim I do have it setup to apply even if you don't have rend
hazy flower
Oh
jovial marsh
but I'll need to re-check vs in game
hazy flower
Im on my phone so couldnt check
jovial marsh
these can go either way
hazy flower
Yeah then its super fishy
fresh spire
but I'll need to re-check vs in game
i can do that later and let you know
jovial marsh
Sure, I'll try and do it after work as well if you don't get to it
fresh spire
ill check now actually, i got 2 mins
sullen moat
ill check now actually, i got 2 mins
nice
fresh spire
Sure, I'll try and do it after work as well if you don't get to it
yeh in game doesn't rend sub 35%, not sure if it was old bug that got fixed/slipped under radar 🙂
sullen moat
looks like it. i also tryed and looked at some keys in detail! and didten see any rend
jovial marsh
perfect, much appreciated, I'll patch that now
jovial marsh
Alright, latest on raidbots should pick that up in the next 5 mins or so
appreciate the report, and the tests on that ty
quartz girder
Hows arms feeling in the ptr
brittle fiber
the same as it does in live
fresh spire
perfect, much appreciated, I'll patch that now
Thanks arma as always 🙂
rare kite
Hows arms feeling in the ptr
tierset is poopoo
vast surge
How badly am I hurting myself by sticking with slayer in M+ over Colossus?
sullen moat
perfect, much appreciated, I'll patch that now
Thank you 🙂
proud remnant
Arms is still a mess on ptr. So sad at what they have turned us into. Very low hopes they make any major changes until next xpac at the moment.
dire hinge
ngl, arms can be a shithow, game is saved if they use the new swirlies in raid
minor gust
new swirlies is very nice
quaint otter
boreal quartz
naive sage
https://tenor.com/view/uni-cat-gif-16508948274886257497
Me irl
slow saddle
Holy Fwak arms tier is bollocks
plucky fern
hope they do smth about the tier set
tacit crystal
nope stop dreaming
plucky fern
ripe snow
slow saddle
CDR on an abillity that has frequent CD resets great game design.
Imagin if instead it was CDR on WB
wooden lava
Is Demolish a fixable ability?
Does blizz have the competency to make it so that you dont lose out on dmg with all your CDs up just because the target moved like a yard away
Or are we perma stuck with this shit ass ability
cinder dove
well this is how it works, it is meant to be used when you know it can be used
if you don't like it you can go slayer
cyan oriole
it used to be worse in the beginning of the expansion it'd break all the time due to los or your character getting yanked. im pretty sure they already fixed a bunch of its issues but they werent documented anywhere.
but as long as its a castable ability it'll always break due to range
wooden lava
It's fine in most of the cases, but that 3-5% where the adds get yanked
especially in keys
It's the ultimate blue baller
and if you're unlucky enough to be casting it while some other shit happens, man...
cyan oriole
the only thing you can do yourself is try to add a little bit of speed so you can move slightly as you cast it
beginning of the season I had 17% speed and could move quite a bit as I casted it.
but it was never enough to fix the cast if the mobs got typhooned away or something. but i could move out of most of the smaller swirls
wooden lava
fug, that kinda kills the vibe in keys
cyan oriole
you get used to it the more you play it. but you can always go fury or slayer arms. i don't believe it's that big of a difference.
cyan oriole
yeah.
i'm im recalling correctly fury thane is a good choice if you dont enjoy colossus
wooden lava
I'm a fury main - practicing arms intentionally
it's actually wonderful
just demolish is cheeks
I'm hoping there's some good Arms news for 11.1
ebon garden
I'm hoping there's some good Arms news for 11.1
naive sage
I'm hoping there's some good Arms news for 11.1
I hope you realize there won’t be any
soft dew
"We feel that Warriors are in a good place overall, however, there are a few places we’d like to make improvements to each spec, and to the class as a whole." meaning they won't make big changes.
But they reworked shamans like 4 times already
smh
quartz girder
Question i'm seeing colossus used a lot for mythic plus but everything i'm seeing recommends to use slayer
gray herald
Question i'm seeing colossus used a lot for mythic plus but everything i'm seein...
colossus is really fun
quaint otter
Arms enjoyers must be down bad
wooden lava
But learn slayer as well
what is there to learn with Slayer? It mostly plays itself doesn't it? You just watch where you send SD procs
naive sage
lmao you guys are doomer as hell
Clearly you haven’t been around for long, you’d understand how shitty is warrior treated by blizzard, and arms all the more
wooden lava
Nah I've just been having a blast on fury
quartz girder
colossus is really fun
Would a safe assumption be slayer 1- targets colossus for everything else
wooden lava
I've played warrior at its worst moments
Castle Nathria warrior
I don't think it's ever been worse than that
naive sage
Castle Nathria warrior
You played arms then? I did (although on private server)
wooden lava
Yep, shit was awful
Both specs too...
Though lately Arms hasn't been feeling too good either
naive sage
In DF it was ok
wooden lava
ever since IP stopped contributing to Test of Might
naive sage
Especially s1 and s3 were good
wooden lava
S1 would've been cheeks if they didn't do a lot of aura buffs throughout the course
both specs ended up being strong going into Aberrus
They butchered Arms for S3 though
tribal kindle
I want to play arms again but it feels worse every time blizzard says something about warrior
wooden lava
I heard it was OP for the fated season
boreal quartz
what is there to learn with Slayer? It mostly plays itself doesn't it? You just ...
Looking at when to not insta send sd
But ye it's not very complex
boreal quartz
I heard it was OP for the fated season
SL or df?
wooden lava
DF
untold pewter
DF was good yeah
wooden lava
I don't remember arms being good on anything besides like 2 mid bosses
boreal quartz
Played 50% haste magus then mainly
untold pewter
This next tier set doesn't give me hope, sounds like the absolute worst Arms tier set I can recall
wooden lava
Court and Nymue
boreal quartz
Arms shat on fury in all non pad departments S4
Nymue is not a good arms boss
Normal killtimers get u off the boss into intermission in execute
Veeeery shit
wooden lava
S4 doesn't really count though, that was a mickey mouse season
boreal quartz
I liked smolderon on arms
Fyrakk too
Frank arms went crazy but made p1 a skillcheck
Fury didnt
untold pewter
Smolderon was sick
untold pewter
S4 doesn't really count though, that was a mickey mouse season
Arms was super good in S3
For boss damage at least
wooden lava
Oh right, it was Volcoross, not Nymue
I just remember fury being super dominant, especially on last 3 bosses
boreal quartz
Big true
wooden lava
I don't think anyone even bothered with running Arms on smolderon until after prog
boreal quartz
Tindral not armsable in mythic
wooden lava
cos you were insanely squishy on arms
and fury just let you live
while doing better dmg
If Arms can shine on an early/mid boss
and one of the last 2 bosses
I think you can call it a success
cos if arms is better on every boss, it means fury is borderline unplayable bad
As long as arms can do better than fury on pure ST with extended execute, and 2 target cleave
it's in a good spot
naive sage
Extend arms
boreal quartz
cos you were insanely squishy on arms
Not that even
Tindral you cant keep up with root breaks on arms nicely + fury is a good padder
Frank p2 was hardest phase in the end and fury smurfed the adds so u can cc a bit sloppy
But it's not cuz arms was squishy
wooden lava
Nah, it's definitely on some bullshit
That's why they're giving compensatory buffs in 11.1
Hunters haven't been squishy in like a decade lol
wooden lava
Was it? Damn my memory must be slipping
I swear they haven't had survivability issues in so long
boreal quartz
Fury brainrot
wooden lava
To be fair I should've said since shadowlands
I just remember hunter being AOE gods in Nathria
Not much else
wooden lava
Nah I remember that night fae circle would annihilate mobs
brittle fiber
Act like an angel and dress like crazy
all the girls are girling, girling
da da duh duh
sullen moat
i have to say that i kinda like colossus arms. and arms in general. you have a lot of build to use if you want. not just a cookie cutter build. ive played alot of builds and found it very fun
midnight mural
i have to say that i kinda like colossus arms. and arms in general. you have a l...
samesies
brittle fiber
oh shoot me didnt have advanced logging enabled
marble steppe
farmed myself a crit set of gear and got it up to 35 and now want to try arms
were progging court with my guild
what hero talent would you play in court and in M+?
eager sigil
what hero talent would you play in court and in M+?
in m+ i play colo for silken i went fury just because its less thinking
gray herald
i play colossus in both
eager sigil
but i think you can play both on silken
marble steppe
i got a question about the rotation in colossus
so if i get MS resets, do i spam MS or do i use always keep overpower in 1 charge
also when do i execute? in the M+ setup it deals fairly low damage
do i use it as a filler isntead of slam?
misty yew
thick kelp
radiant echoes x5
viral locust
Kek heroic 24 DPS 2 healer easy boss parse 😅 I forgot to take raid buff too sadge, getting the hang of warrior slowly
livid cloak
Do the special delves on lvl 1, finish and get radiant echo. Do that 5x then do a world soul
viral locust
How long does 5 delves take then to do that?
Can slam a 12 key arakara in 20 mins or so and get 200 and crests 😁 that's what I do rn
thick kelp
hc parse 🥱
viral locust
I already mentioned heroic kek
I need to get in my guild raid as warrior to get some real tests done
Although blood is hardly a difficult boss on myth
dim basalt
Did you filter it in some way or why am I not appearing there
Some weeks ago I got r1 on heroic BB with 1.970M
thick kelp
its by boss dam
viral locust
Dirty padder
dim basalt
I didnt really
viral locust
dim basalt
Had one BS up for adds by coincidence
Thats all I did
Maybe an execute or two to hold stacks
Wasnt even trying to get a parse
viral locust
Heh I was just spamming some finery and found that group, surprised I did good
Just kill time probably
dim basalt
1:57 is okayish
viral locust
Ye for a pug
Having fun on warrior though picked it up about 3 weeks ago, fury in keys doing ok too pretty fun
viral locust
Queue time is not fun tho
viral locust
Ye insane when CDs come up perfect with exec % tho
magic canopy
tacit crystal
half vine
Does spell reflect still have the same sound when you reflect? it's so satisfying to hear it
shadow ibex
blizz putting work in the right areas
ill take my dstance shield back as well plz and ty
gaunt owl
they lost it in the sauce
eager sigil
i need it to recharge ms faster instead of op
shadow ibex
i cant get excited for recharge when we have MS and OP reset shit
gaunt owl
its redundant
gaunt owl
nearly all our ability got some CD reduction or reset from pushing buttons
slow saddle
Having wb often with iftk would feel great
shadow ibex
yay I ate my 20% MS dmg buff in execute for a OP dmg boost?
like who
yay my OP is recharging faster but the boss is sub 35 and im spending 40 rage on this ability that has a % chance to reset it per rage spent
just read a fuckin talent tree ffs
dim basalt
If at least the 2p was meaningful but
shadow ibex
this shit only works in a world where tact dont exist lol
shadow ibex
numbers is whatever but it makes 0 sense
casting OP sub 35% just means youre removing your 20% MS dmg amp
for recharge on something u just had reset back to back to back
shadow ibex
if we assume arms "should" be MS X exe exe MS for x2 EP then where do they think the value in this recharge is coming from
slow saddle
As u dont wanna execute?
naive sage
Don't worry, new ptr build hasn't come out, they're cooking for sure
slow saddle
I mean gamba theme
slow saddle
It is that atm
shadow ibex
yes we need artery cut
dim basalt
Rets also gettin shafted
I dont know much about ret but just from reading the 4p it sounded kinda nice?
shadow ibex
gone asap
trim arrow
I mean TR exists
shadow ibex
replace artery cut with more MS dmg not bullshit bleed dmg after u just nerfed BB
trim arrow
From a thematic standpoint an ability called demolish being capable of parry
is laughable
shadow ibex
doesnt matter
trim arrow
does parry serve
trim arrow
shadow ibex
work smarter not harder right
better to create whitelist of abilities boss cant parry
trim arrow
Or when a boss dumpy so thicc
shadow ibex
shadow ibex
yea learned my lesson on court just charge the bug ass
not using avatar and stuff on pull = 0 rage if you get parried
stuck looking at boss for 5 seconds
questioning life choices
slow saddle
Ye
slow saddle
Flavour
gaunt owl
TR can be parried
tacit crystal
thunderous roar?
slow saddle
Its a clap
gaunt owl
but dot still apply
tacit crystal
not tc
slow saddle
Thunderclap
gaunt owl
i had Troar get parried
tacit crystal
XD
tacit crystal
i had Troar get parried
thats demonic
slow saddle
But u said rend parried
errant goblet
odys fury can also be parried and it does not apply the dot
gaunt owl
Tclap is so insignicant
tacit crystal
yeah
gaunt owl
you dont notice as long as dots get applied
slow saddle
Tclap apllies rend
tacit crystal
im never pressing tc
minor gust
Tclap is so insignicant
DF season 3 tier set not being a talent is criminal. But we all know why they never added it. Because it interacts with TC and Blizzard the company obsessed with theme were like nope Thane exists that means nothing else can interact with thunder and lightning.
gaunt owl
Thane should have been between Arms and Fury
change my mind !
the SDclapping was so satisfying
minor gust
I didn't care about it until they giga buffed it and you could actually feel the claps
But man especially since we're forced to take SD now for Slayer to work they really need to give SD some kind of AOE angle like that tier set provided.
fallen canopy
Arms thane would be actual godmode
gaunt owl
i'm glad this patch exists
the best content we get is this brand new emote
its peak emote
thick kelp
minor gust
fresh spire
weary hull
if any arms st ptr cooks pls tag me
silk spade
mad ox my beloved
icy mulch
silk spade
parry in 2025 is criminal
latent moss
and not dumb bleeds
nah bleeds would be sick if they did anything
big hits with bleeds
minor gust
I force the rogue in my raid to perma play trickster sub so the boss doesnt parry anymore
god I hope blizzard never fixes that bug
lucid thicket
parry in 2025 is criminal
Meanwhile, as you click Die by the Sword
silk spade
Meanwhile, as you click Die by the Sword
?
silk spade
ok?
lucid thicket
ask Blizz to remove a mechanic that Arms actively uses
silk spade
your ragebaits get weaker by the day
minor gust
trim lintel
vast helm
trim arrow
I force the rogue in my raid to perma play trickster sub so the boss doesnt parr...
Since when does it apply for other people
verbal inlet
Hows arms in ptr?
reading archies notes on the tier set, it dont sound pretty
minor gust
if a rogue is running that build you genuinly dont get parried anymore its great
minor gust
its very noticeable by just playing if you have something that tells you when u get parried
trim arrow
its very noticeable by just playing if you have something that tells you when u ...
I'm seeing parry on a log with one still
so idk
trim arrow
interesting
abstract cairn
Are EB and Battlelord talents bad for slayer? :x
devout pewter
devout pewter
Are EB and Battlelord talents bad for slayer? :x
Wouldn't say bad, just don't play quite that well with it. Try it, sim it, see what it does to your dps
errant goblet
its very noticeable by just playing if you have something that tells you when u ...
whats the ability do?
for the rogue that reduces boss parry?
minor gust
I dont know the details all I know its a bug with one of their hero talents
im sure you can ask in the rogue discord
abstract cairn
Wouldn't say bad, just don't play quite that well with it. Try it, sim it, see w...
ill try this just to see how it performs~
coral crescent
Trickster hero spec puts a debuff which makes it so the boss can't parry. That hero spec is only played for sub right now.
that one
lean geode
Any colossus knowers know if there's ever a case where you wouldn't take battlelord
I guess the wowhead build doesn't take it in pure single target
silk spade
are you talking about m+ or
lean geode
I mostly mean raid
I'm working on adding the colossus apl to wowanalyzer
I have played colossus for 1 key and 0 raid fights
lean geode
Public service to my fellow skyholders
silk spade
is it worth if you accidentally put misinfo in there and say it's updated and usable
also wont you have to update all of that in liek 3 weeks
lean geode
Yeah I'm gonna need to update everything for 11.0 anyways
Rather have the scaffolding for it ready to go
So I can just make tweaks instead of building it from scratch
silk spade
fair
lean geode
Arms is actually set up pretty nicely to just translate the simc APL into WoWA
Fury not so much
So I might add that too idk
vast helm
lean geode
Okay I spoke too soon, ravager doesn't have a buff the way bladestorm does
At least not on logs
So I can't easily filter out unhinged MS
lean geode
Yeah, it's harder to filter out based on casts though
silk spade
it's combined with real ms in that timeline
lean geode
Have to listen for the cast event, update a global timestamp, compare to that, etc
Vs just "do thing while buff"
silk spade
uncut raven
I think the dev's mom are murdered by warrior user. Why they always make it suck? As the seasons change, it seems like devs are saying, "Are you still playing a warrior?".
silk spade
so true
lean geode
it shows up on casts no?
Okay I just tried it on break in raid and it does give you a buff with id=228920 so idk why it doesn't show up on logs
Unless I'm el stupido
rare kite
I think the dev's mom are murdered by warrior user. Why they always make it suck...
"We feel that Warriors are in a good place overall"
lean geode
@silk spade @thick kelp either of you have good colossus raid logs I can use for testing?
lean geode
real
I found some of Walhe's
You think he wants to join my dogshit 6/8 guild? We're 200 wipes into court and have made it into p3 exactly once
tacit crystal
boreal quartz
<@235857431492558848> <@865605822638063647> either of you have good colossus rai...
@fresh spire
smoky kayak
<:madox:1326474049903398975>
I see you've discovered your new emote 
magic canopy
I see you've discovered your new emote <a:peepolaugh:890741791928754206>
i didnt realize i was poggin out
smoky kayak
It'd make a great gif, but emote will do
magic canopy
:p
thick kelp
<@235857431492558848> <@865605822638063647> either of you have good colossus rai...
I think i have a few that r public
oh u found
and yea like phil said look at fishys /krisp logs too
hexed saddle
It'd make a great gif, but emote will do
minor gust
astral yarrow
have you ever seen Madox and Xan in the same room
thick kelp
actually yes
thick kelp
brittle fiber
Got you there
thick kelp
minor gust
idk man I only see Madox's face that "Xan" could easily be an AI
fresh spire
Just find it funny the thing that got him pogging was an animation change. Shows how much we barely get nice things
boreal quartz
calm hollow
is it still SKS time in 11.1 or its finally dead?
swift crown
https://tenor.com/view/absolute-cinema-absolute-cinema-meme-absolute-cinema-meme...
I̶l̴n̸l̵e̶v̸i̸a̶t̶
Man I love AI slop
thick kelp
is it still SKS time in 11.1 or its finally dead?
sks is still alive for now
calm hollow
sks is still alive for now
thick kelp
wcyd when we dont have alot of ST nodes
and they keep nerfing the ones we have apart from sks
empty sluice
Yea there is still cringe fatality
thick kelp
Fatality buffed
empty sluice
Just dont play it no? xd
calm hollow
anyone know if the next tier will be an aoe fest or more ST focused?
empty sluice
There was no raid testing so far no?
empty sluice
There is a lot of interesting trinkets tho
empty sluice
Fatality buffed
It needs god
empty sluice
Really?
thick kelp
yeah on ptr
empty sluice
Is it intended tho?
thick kelp
but its prolly not meant to be off of ava +cs
only from aura buffs and maybe mastry or smth
but anyway it should be playable talent nxt tier
over things like sharp or deft
empty sluice
Torments need some treatment too
calm hollow
btw how fucked i am currently in bis fury gear, if i want to switch to arms?
calm hollow
well 1 ring is isle ring anyways
calm hollow
would need an ansurek ring ig