Yeah, I think I'm trying to cast too much revenge and not saving enough rage for shield block
#protection
upbeat raft
chrome falcon
hm
you should be able to spam revenge like a madman
and still have enough for shield block
you should be generating like 1k rage per minute in combat
but remember to always SS over revenge
and yeah keeping up SB is literally your #1 priority
at all times
if you're being meleed
also you don't need rage to shield block anyway, remember to proc reprisal as much as you can
upbeat raft
yeah, I did a spires 18 last night, that's probably typical of what I'm doing.
wheat shadow
Yeah, I think I'm trying to cast too much revenge and not saving enough rage for...
The irony of your warr being named Lotorage while not having enough rage for SB
upbeat raft
I think we missed some important interrupts there, too, so that was bad
wheat shadow
yeah, I did a spires 18 last night, that's probably typical of what I'm doing.
Dark Lash hurts like a bitch on fortified
Especially if you don't SR it
narrow fog
Guys, is it wise to go tank when I return for the next xpac?
chrome falcon
you didn't waste a TON of rage, but probably a bit more than you should
but your CPM is low
narrow fog
As in, on the start of the new xpac...
chrome falcon
lowlowlow
you have 9.5 CPM on shield slam, so not even 10 casts per minute
but SS should have like a 6 second cooldown
so even without a SS proc, 10 CPM is the absolute minimum
upbeat raft
uhhhhhh.... in game, my shield block says "11 second recharge"?
chrome falcon
and considering SS procs, you should be closer to 15 CPM than 10
year sorry
i mistyped
shield slam
not block
upbeat raft
oh, yeah, 6.5s CD on shield slam
chrome falcon
yeah
upbeat raft
but it gets tons of resets from revenge and devastate and stuff
chrome falcon
so 9.5 CPM is what you would expect if you literally couldn't reset the proc
so this means you're missing a TON of SS reset casts
upbeat raft
so I should easily be able to get more SS casts per minute
chrome falcon
yeah
upbeat raft
ahhhhhhh
chrome falcon
sometimes you've already hit revenge and you can't react in time which happens to everyone but
you need need need more SS
you also cast intervene 5 times in the entire key
upbeat raft
I sometimes prioritize revenge over SS when I'm like "i feel like I have enough rage right now, so I'll do some extra damage"
I guess that thought was flawed
chrome falcon
with reprisal, intervene literally becomes a 30 second CD that gives you 20 rage, a free revenge (that works with best served cold), and 4 seconds of shield block
yeah
very flawed
if you have "enough rage"
press IP
and shield slam
chrome falcon
also
you have 2 melee
so you literally just
at the start of the key
macro intervene onto one of them
and now your intervene is literally just press on CD
for free rage and shield block and revenge
you had 5 casts when you could have had like
60
upbeat raft
oh, that makes sense. I dunno why I never thought to macro it
chrome falcon
yeah
wheat shadow
Don't even have to macro to a specific person since you can't always rely on that, just have a mouseover macro combined with charge to intervene to friendly targets
chrome falcon
^ have both
it will take longer and take more effort to mouseover press it on someone
90% of the time you just press the macro that intervenes the melee
and then on the 10% of the time that you don't want to do that, you can mouseover
also, you used about 1/3rd of your outburst tier procs on thunder clap
which is a liiiiittle bit high
upbeat raft
gotcha
chrome falcon
your blocked hits are at 65% which is also a bit low
but that'll go up with better rage management and reprisal usage
80% is a good place to aim for
you cast 34 ravagers in a 42 minute key which is also probably low for a spell with a 45 second cooldown, considering urh
this is another rage management thing but your banner uptime is also low at 31% but again, more shield slams and more reprisals will help that
part of the reason for that is your last stand usage
those are your banner (top) and last stand (bottom) buff uptimes
you really want last stand to only be up during banner
because it makes the banner last so much longer
chrome falcon
he's playing BSC
oh but i guess he's dying
so yeah
more demo shout if dying is a problem
strong forum
he should start playing BV then aswell
chrome falcon
also true
strong forum
helps with banner uptime and get more rage going
you used WW 3 times?
1 time hamstring?
sir we dont use those buttons
45 avatars in a 41min key is also absolutely horrid
it should be closer to 65 avatars
chrome falcon
solution to most of these problems is generate more rage by using last stand better, pressing more shield slams, and pressing more ravagers
strong forum
first thing to focus on should be block uptime and just generating more rage
chrome falcon
oh and press intervene on CD
strong forum
which entails SS, Ravager, Avatar, Demo shout with BV and Reprisal usage
in my 32min Spires i generated twice as much rage from reprisal alone than you did in your 41min key
chrome falcon
i think we might have scared him off
strong forum
🤷♂️
median tulip
oh, that makes sense. I dunno why I never thought to macro it
I focus a melee and my macro intervenes my focus target
strong forum
i always mouseover
topaz field
I focus a melee and my macro intervenes my focus target
that sounds awesome for a focus kick
upbeat raft
@strong forum @chrome falcon You didn't scare me off, but I did get distracted. Thank you for all the suggestios
upbeat raft
😁 💪
chrome falcon
was a lot of spam but ultimately main things to focus in order of priority imo:
- more shield block uptime
- more SS casts
- better reprisal usage (especially intervene)
- casting LS during banner, holding onto it if you need to
- go booming voice and demo shout on cooldown for better banner uptime and more rage gen so you don't die
and remember there's no such thing as "enough" rage, if you have a lot of rage then start spending it so you can get to your next avatar/tier set proc quicker
sick sentinel
200% would have timed 15 mists last night if internet didnt take shit for 3 minutes
pull boss,, 3 seconds later, lag out, well fuck
sick sentinel
like simpsons joke writing
modern brook
Gz on master yogi
sick sentinel
ty, 10.0 waiting room and maybe blue boy now
blazing condor
Gz on master yogi
toxic pewter
ty, 10.0 waiting room and maybe blue boy now
u not goin for hero? 3k
livid dagger
Is there any point in big pulls where it is worth using thunder clap? Or do we just never push it these days, to ensure we use the outburst on SS?
toxic pewter
definitely want to push it for the 5 rage though
blazing condor
yeah you dont stop pressing TC alltogether
just dont use it on outburst
however
with banner and all we generate a lot of rage so sometimes the 5 rage from TC isn't worth wasting the global on cus you have so much rage anyway
but you still press it if you need the rage
chrome falcon
Is there any point in big pulls where it is worth using thunder clap? Or do we j...
you definitely don't need to press TC on CD all the time but yeah it needs to be pressed
even though it's depressing
just don't waste outburst
modern brook
Is there any point in big pulls where it is worth using thunder clap? Or do we j...
Tc resets ss, that's more than enough reason to press it
Regardless of target counts
modern brook
You should be tracking outburst separately to avoid consuming on tc
blazing condor
are you playing again bull? 
modern brook
Honestly only rejoined the cord cause I stopped going to the gym without #pvp to be mean to me
But they're not the same anymore....
modern brook
It's a rough time for sure
blazing condor
sick sentinel
you'll be back for 10.0, i have the same relationship with ID games that i do with blizzard because there is no such thing as a bad blizzard or ID game 99% of times and are always worth giving a go. Halo is infinite, but doom is eternal
modern brook
its really easy to not come back to wow
jagged pier
true
modern brook
its a 60 dollar buy in and a 15 dollar sub
fuck chore duty
i spent ~30% of any given play session in q
jagged pier
there is no chore duty
modern brook
or waiting for my guild to want to play
cobalt seal
?
Like playing the game
Thats a huge chore
People and their chore copium comment
strong forum
the only chore there is is spamming keys
cobalt seal
Imagine speedrunning story for like 1h
cobalt seal
Lol
strong forum
??
cobalt seal
Did you learn that word today?
And found it funny to use?
And have no idea what it means
They arent necessary
wooden widget
Every chore is an opportunity
chrome falcon
they're necessary if you want one piece of gear to have higher ilvl/be in a different slot
wooden widget
Just reorient your thinking
chrome falcon
we're not exactly talking mandatory here
i mean
you could probably do a 25 with a 265 unit
you could probably do a 25 without unity
wooden widget
^^
strong forum
291 unity is a nice to have
strong forum
not necessary
chrome falcon
i dunno about you
?
yes
correct
the task is not necessary
therefore it is not a necessary task
ergo, fuck off
blazing condor
🤓 well according to the oxford dictionary !!
strong forum
and if that 5minutes are that exceedingly offputting
then idk what kind of game is for you
maybe fortnite or a br
chrome falcon
yeah man if you can't handle doing something vaguely boring for 5 minutes while listening to music or watching a stream
wait until you hear about like
real life
shit's gonna blow your mind
strong forum
the game has never been more "returnee" friendly
than rn
you log in, get 40/60 renown instantly
do ZM campaign and youre 80 renown
and will have a leggo for free
then you can spam m+ already, only need 2k score to get to 275ilvl equipped
now wherether loot will actually drop for you, thats another story
chrome falcon
skill issue
sick sentinel
i got the good cypher shield today, or, one of them IG
blazing condor
just reforge 
sick sentinel
master haste
dusky mica
shields come from vault only in this game
chrome falcon
i haven't seen a single 278 shield apart from the one i got from like my 4th kill of first boss mythic
saw one skolex shield drop but it went to a healer
need to bully guild into LoD rekill for the 285
dusky mica
same on my warrior, was the same last tier
my shaman on the other hand, shield every week from somewhere, every time
I switch to enh to not get a shield and he gets weapons, switch back to ele, shield
sick sentinel
if you click it any image and then hit "Open in new tab" it shows uncompressed or w/e
dusky mica
just lose the bars on the right, yeah
sick sentinel
feels weird with buttons there but okay
dusky mica
yeah thats my point, you always have to click open original anyway because it's shit
I've had my buttons there since wod, works well. Removes the need to do what most people do and install some WA pack that just shows your butttons.
Dont understand that
I split my bars into 3 squares though (3x4), helps with tracking things as I keep all rotational stuff in the middle
Try litebuttonauras too if you're playing like that, removes the need for some weakauras and timers because it shows buffs/timers on the ability
pallid quiver
I'm convinced Blizzard has it out for Prot Wars with shields, as I've never gotten a shield until like the week before I take a break from the game or the next major patch in any xpac I've played any reasonable amount of
waxen orbit
You only get gear before/during a break
I logged on once during my 2 month break and finally got a 278 piece of tier
ocean yoke
only 1 vault slot= best gear
royal ivy
Which conduit is better Condensed Anima Sphere or Fueled by Violence?
remote arrow
IS there a spreadsheet with the best targets for banner?
robust rover
Why would bonesmith be -10% in aoe but 1-2% gain in single target? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dZvH36YidNc4pWPmvTDCmK
robust rover
Which conduit is better Condensed Anima Sphere or Fueled by Violence?
CAS
royal ivy
Thanks
robust rover
IS there a spreadsheet with the best targets for banner?
Only ever seen just use it as a personal. It doesn’t matter who is near you.
royal ivy
Anyone is playing Venthyr in M+ as prot? Would I lose a lot if group need Venthyr? Like in HoA for gorgoyle?
sweet kettle
hey matta if I post a log can you tell me why my prot struggles or should I just post in review
blazing condor
The correct thing is to post in log review but if you actually want feedback youre better off posting in here
urban portal
Anyone is playing Venthyr in M+ as prot? Would I lose a lot if group need Venthy...
Bad bad
blazing condor
Unless you explicitly say youve posted a log in log review here then chances are no one will see it
urban portal
You are one of the worst venthyr classes in the game
sweet kettle
heh. well my kyrian prot war, we timed this but by seconds. beginning was very messy. I feel like im doing a lot wrong. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TM9J86mzFgpwkX73
chrome falcon
you spent 71 outbursts on shield slam
50 on thunderclap
that's like 30 too many on thunderclap
you're wearing codex
don't do that
jagged pier
running codex XD
chrome falcon
dogshit trinket
chrome falcon
you're casting thunder clap too much
and generally should be casting shield slam and revenge more
jagged pier
no hes not
Nome get at least another cast a minute
hes spending outburst on it too much
for sure
jagged pier
no his other casts are just low
sweet kettle
I prioritize IP over revenege usually, if I have rage for it
chrome falcon
no his other casts are just low
that's literally my point lol he's prioritising thunder clap too much
ignore pain is not good mitigation
so
jagged pier
well no in retro spec
chrome falcon
you should prioritise revenging
sweet kettle
ive noticed codex is not great, will swap out. we seem to mitigate too much for it to do much
chrome falcon
which means he's over-prioritising thunder clap
mighty valley
i think the biggest lesson is don't prioritize IP over revenge, more revenge will give you more SS, so more everything
sweet kettle
ok just IP to avoid rage cap? I've been trying to keep it rolling 80%+
chrome falcon
charge isn't too bad but
intervene was too low
no
IP is shit
it's only there to spend rage
you don't need "uptime" on it
in real content IP goes away when you get melee'd once
sweet kettle
lol ok
chrome falcon
it's just there to dump rage
mighty valley
i mean it adds up to doing a decent amount if you just use it to avoid overcap, it's just really inefficient, so you don't want to rage starve yourself by pressing it
chrome falcon
your blocked hits aren't terrible but aim for 80%
your rage waste also isn't terrible but should aim for lower
but really main thing
go necrolord
it's infinitely tankier
and does more damage if played vaguely correctly
and start casting more 
revenge = ss = rage
sweet kettle
aight thanks for feedback
sweet kettle
what about banner downtimes? Just limit pull sizes? Treat it like incarn or what?
chilly brook
No downtime
chrome falcon
what downtime
sweet kettle
hah. I can't keep it going for its full CD unless lusted vs boss
chilly brook
You can
chrome falcon
play better then, practice
chilly brook
If you can’t you’re making mistakes
chrome falcon
optimise your last stand window
spam reprisals
you don't need 100%
but anyone can get 70-80% with a bit of practice
and like
ok you dropped banner for like
30 seconds or you really fucked up and dropped it for a minute
no biggie really
trust me, go necro and just go hit a dummy until you can consistently keep it up for 90 seconds
start learning the opening 15 seconds with last stand and hard you need to fucking spam IP
i generally cast 7-9 IPs during a last stand opener
also
play the shield wall CDR conduit
over brutal vitality
brutal vit is real bad
sweet kettle
alright. is SW used reactively, or when you expect damage?
I tend to use reactively, when im in trouble
chrome falcon
well
urban portal
Both
sweet kettle
emergency cd
urban portal
You don’t wanna cast wall at like 10hp
chrome falcon
your effective hp is now 45%
if you cast it at 80% hp
your effective hp is now 120%
so
use it before the shadowcore hits you
like yeah, if you get chunked low and panic
you have to hit SW
but ideally you see the chunk coming and use it before you get it
it's just a practice/experience thing. like for example on the shadowcore packs, if most of the kicks are on CD in my party, and there's a shadowcore coming, i just press the shield wall to be safe
or in hoa if i get like 8 stacks of the bleed but i'm still 90% hp, i know i'm about to get trucked so i hit SW
you can also use it to fill a shield block gap
chrome falcon
but tbh any time you're like "should i shield wall here?" you might as well just do it, it's 90 second CD max with necro
chrome falcon
yeah if your group needs a venthyr
make one of them do it
prot warrior is probably the spec that gets fucked hardest by going venthyr
onyx matrix
Hihihihi!
sweet kettle
thanks Matta
chrome falcon
sure feel free to ping me if you have any questions about how to effectively be a bannerboy
crimson furnace
blazing condor
lookin real cloudy today
echo egret
blazing condor
nothing too major what i can see on a quick skim except work on effective shield block uptime
you had 68% blocked hits which is low
hazy edge
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qmvGYAhaWJZz84jR#fight=last
I'm all ears
Besides effective shield block uptime, you could have Executed more, it's our highest prio once it comes up, and you could have used SW a LOT more. It's effectively a 45-60 sec cd. You have use it pretty liberally and have it back up very fast. You had a few Outburst procs eaten by a new one, try and prevent that as often as possible, it's fine to use Outburst on TC to prevent them getting eaten. Otherwise good job 👍
chrome falcon
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qmvGYAhaWJZz84jR#fight=last
I'm all ears
Dps should be 10k+, probably could have higher SS and TC cpm for better rage generation, but pretty solid overall
Having said that you’re competing with a resto shaman and 2 op dps classes so like 8k isn’t totally rancid
But 10k should be the goal
toxic pewter
when you say 10k is that 10k on details or 10k on warcraftlogs
because apparently warcraftlogs is like damage over the entire dungeon including time out of combat
echo egret
because apparently warcraftlogs is like damage over the entire dungeon including...
If you hover the "Active" column you get a number that is rather close to in-game Details
echo egret
Besides effective shield block uptime, you could have Executed more, it's our hi...
With LS and DS being used offensively, I know I'm reluctant to use SW often because I do want that defensive cd ready when I really need it or know i'll need it soon
echo egret
you had 68% blocked hits which is low
This is something I still haven't figured out how to improve, tbh, I have the feeling SB is always on cooldown... maybe sometimes I don't have rage for it because of revenge spam but not so often.
toxic pewter
If you hover the "Active" column you get a number that is rather close to in-gam...
Ok thank you that is great to know
echo egret
oh and did they change something in the water, in DOS/Ardenweald ? I got my camera stuck underneath every time, when I didn't used to as Night Elf
chrome falcon
What race are you now
sleek current
This happened to me @echo egret - You need to turn off Water Collision in Camera settings.
chrome falcon
If you swapped to a tiny baby race then yeah that’ll happen
sleek current
I was an Orc... before and after patch 9.2.5 - It was enabled out of the blue for me. Before Patch, nothing wrong after patch, noticed I only saw my feet when stood in a small puddle of water.
echo egret
Sorry my wording implied I race changed, which I didn't
I notice now water collision is enabled, I wouldn't know if it was beforee patch
sleek current
For me, it wasn't before the patch, after the patch it was enabled for some reason.
deep solar
Is Show of Force or Adaptive Armor Fragment better for M+?
chrome falcon
adaptive
toxic pewter
I was an Orc... before and after patch 9.2.5 - It was enabled out of the blue fo...
I also noticed something weird with the water today during dos
i am vulpera though for the record
echo egret
i am vulpera though for the record
Apparently "water collision" got enabled with the patch - untick that in interface/camera and things shouldbe back to pre-9.2.5 state
chilly brook
This is something I still haven't figured out how to improve, tbh, I have the fe...
Stop pressing shield block just because
Use it when you need it
Aka learn what’s blockable and what’s not
blazing condor
free ss damage 😎
sinful plover
Yeah even with AM I always keep SB up for extra dmg. In like +19 and 20 though if I’m low on resources and CD I’ll be more conservative with it.
Especially on fort week
On tryn trash IDGAF
mighty valley
i mean it's fine to pop it for damage unless you're losing meaningful uptime because of it
toxic pewter
What % uptime do death knights get on their rune weapon thing
That thing needs another nerf to be honest. They’re mitigating more damage than a prot warrior and healing more than a mistweaver
They are getting their cake and eating it too
urban portal
A very long time
toxic pewter
It’s a bit ridiculous when they’re supposed to be the healing tank. Which I am ok with but they’re basically able to parry everything all while doing really good dmg
chrome falcon
the idea that bdk mitigates even half as much as prot warrior is silly
toxic pewter
It’s a bit ridiculous when dk is the better physical dmg tank
strong forum
Nah they're not
toxic pewter
They’re literally parrying the entire dungeon
crude notch
No they’re not
dark lark
No they're not lmao
toxic pewter
Yes that thing has 100% uptime
crude notch
No it doesn’t
strong forum
Naowh literally depleted streets 31 cuz he didn't parry enough on first boss
Meanwhile pwar would chill omega hard
toxic pewter
Yeah it does they have it up all the time
dark lark
It's not 100% parry
strong forum
It's 80-90% uptime on 65% parry
dark lark
That's not "literally everything"
toxic pewter
Either way that’s way too much
urban portal
apb making his monthly hot takes again
strong forum
The other 35% they're screaming to not get hit too often
toxic pewter
Blood dk is not the physical mitigation tank
strong forum
Cuz they can only deathstrike so much
toxic pewter
apb making his monthly hot takes again
My takes are what they are are
urban portal
yeah like venth prot warrior
toxic pewter
They death strike all the time too
crude notch
Hmm
toxic pewter
They’re way too op and do more dmg than anyone
crude notch
At least if you’re gonna make hot takes make them good.
chrome falcon
apb making his monthly hot takes again
monthly? either daily or weekly, i really need to ignore that "1 blocked message" notification eventually
cobalt seal
urban portal
have you done a 15 on venth prot warrior yet
dark lark
urban portal
or no
toxic pewter
Venthyr prot warrior stronger now than ever
crude notch
Yeah as solid as diarrhea
toxic pewter
You guys just scared to try it like I have
strong forum
While that is correct, it's still utter garbage
toxic pewter
Blood dk though they still need tuning big time
They’re way too much self sustain.
They can’t mitigate and self heal
Like what world do you live in where that’s ok
strong forum
:isleep:
urban portal
dancing rune weapon is around the same level of mitigation as shield block
like no lie
do the math
urban portal
in fact its probably worse
toxic pewter
It’s too much for a healer that outputs more than mistweaver
urban portal
if you think mistweaver is good in keys
cobalt seal
What are you on about
urban portal
toxic pewter
Mistweaver has highest hps I’m using it as an example
chrome falcon
please i am begging you guys not to engage
toxic pewter
You guys are just wrong
toxic pewter
You have no argument so you troll me
strong forum
Hps isn't what times keys
Mistweaver is a mana whore, and lacks mitigation to survive oneshots
cobalt seal
You guys are just wrong
Vdh outheals healers
strong forum
And does low dps compared to other healers
toxic pewter
Blizzard should of nerfed the uptime of drw. They had it right until everyone cried
cobalt seal
You have no idea what you are talking about
toxic pewter
I stand by this till I die
chrome falcon
yes blizzard should have made it essentially impossible for bdk to tank the last boss of the raid
your brain is very large
toxic pewter
Yeah I do
crude notch
Apb were you this harshly calling for nerfs for Pwar in BfA or are you only doing this because BDK is top dog?
chrome falcon
and you are not at all a moron
toxic pewter
Yes bfa prot warr was too powerful
cobalt seal
@viral arch hi
urban portal
cobalt seal
urban portal
literally account sharing
toxic pewter
That’s false
strong forum
Dare I say
crude notch
lol
cobalt seal
Your opinions are wrong
crude notch
Based on everyone’s reaction you’re the one freaking out.
toxic pewter
Blood dk going to be nerfed into the ground next season
cobalt seal
Even thought its your opinion
crude notch
And this is normal for you
cobalt seal
Its wrong
toxic pewter
Watch and mark my words
toxic pewter
And venthyr warr is fine
cobalt seal
Blood dk going to be nerfed into the ground next season
Sure sure
Now its 100% trolling
crude notch
How much we betting they won’t be nerfed?
toxic pewter
Now its 100% trolling
I’m not trolling. You are too weak to formulate an argument
chrome falcon
well considering they're barely imbalanced, if at all
strong forum
I'd be surprised if they did any tuning to any spec
toxic pewter
How much we betting they won’t be nerfed?
the dancing rune weapon uptime will be lowered
chrome falcon
i'll bet pretty much anything
cobalt seal
I dont even play warrior
crude notch
Do you also complain that monk dodges as much as they do @toxic pewter ?
cobalt seal
Or bdk
toxic pewter
Do you also complain that monk dodges as much as they do <@185160009074737153> ?
No because they CANT HEAL MORE THAN THE HEALERS LOL
cobalt seal
Just here for people like you
crude notch
the dancing rune weapon uptime will be lowered
It won’t, now let’s bet.
cobalt seal
Vdh heals more than healers
chrome falcon
Just here for people like you
trust me this guy specifically gets old REALLY fast
cobalt seal
Whats your point
crude notch
No because they CANT HEAL MORE THAN THE HEALERS LOL
This late into the expansion almost every tank is outhealing healers
Stop making it sound like it’s uncommon
To outheal healers
toxic pewter
I’m telling it like it is. Blood dk is having its one patch of glory and will be burnt to the ground come season 4
strong forum
No because they CANT HEAL MORE THAN THE HEALERS LOL
You do realise monks do about 11k hps per key
Right
When healers do like 6k
chrome falcon
tank hps is totally irrelevant to look at anyway
toxic pewter
So do vdh
strong forum
Pwar does more than healers even
chrome falcon
it's an irrelevant thing to measure
strong forum
Like
crude notch
I’m telling it like it is. Blood dk is having its one patch of glory and will be...
One patch of glory! Unfair! Imagine having more than one patch of glory!
strong forum
Lmao
toxic pewter
The fact is that they’re not mitigating all physical dmg. That’s my niche. They will burn
toxic pewter
I’ll set reminder to come back to this conversation when the time is right
Maybe few months
chrome falcon
i'm rarely convinced that apb speaks human
toxic pewter
If I’m not censored or banned by then
chrome falcon
let alone english
cobalt seal
You do you
chrome falcon
i seriously need a discord plugin that makes it so blocked people's messages don't actually show up
i can't resist clicking the "read blocked message" button
crude notch
There is one you just have to do it every time you open discord
chrome falcon
sweet
toxic pewter
Wdym
Right- people like you that have no argument or anything so they put others down and belittle them by censoring. Bullying is another term for it.
cobalt seal
You have no arguments
crude notch
lol censoring and bullying are not the same thing
cobalt seal
You just angry that bdk is meta for 1 season
crude notch
I’ve provided logical counters to your arguments.
toxic pewter
lol censoring and bullying are not the same thing
They go hand in hand, here I am expressing my views and giving my arguments. Telling me I’m a troll, telling me to cease. Get a clue
toxic pewter
You just angry that bdk is meta for 1 season
They’re meta due to being overpowered , yes
dark lark
Your arguments are hyperbolic
strong forum
Cuz these "arguments" are based on emotion
cobalt seal
They’re meta due to being overpowered , yes
They arent overpowered
toxic pewter
Not really. The original nerf blizzard wanted to do is writing on the wall
strong forum
Yes
toxic pewter
That’s false
cobalt seal
Its not
chrome falcon
good lord
sick sentinel
You just angry that bdk is meta for 1 season
my malding is not nessecarily that warrior is bad, but that it seems to do so worse than any other tank, with no real stand out abilities
chrome falcon
someone please come in and post a dogshit log of them not being specced into unnerving focus or something
or playing kyrian
so we can talk about something else
toxic pewter
Listen to your arguments: literally do most dps, most healing, most mitigation.
chrome falcon
people think prot warriors do worse than other tanks because about 80% of our playerbase plays the wrong covenant, wrong talents, and does 5-6k dps
toxic pewter
And you see nothing wrong here?
sick sentinel
we get extremely furiously frothingly mad.... to put a "lift rock mad the bad thinks go away" buff
cobalt seal
Listen to your arguments: literally do most dps, most healing, most mitigation.
Not the most dmg
Not the most mitigation
They always highest healing
Try again
toxic pewter
In mythic plus they are the top dmg tank and top healing
crude notch
BDK outheals healers
Lots of tanks outheal healers and BDK has to heal that much because they take so much damage. Which is ironic considering you think they take no damage.
BDK has drw 100% off the time
No they don’t. Like Nome said it’s 80-90%. If it was a problem you’d also have a problem with monks dodging as much as they do.
Summary: If BDKs mitigated as much as you’re pretending they do, they wouldn’t be outhealing the healer as much as you say they do. Your two main arguments are contradictory. The end.
cobalt seal
In mythic plus they are the top dmg tank and top healing
Vdh says hi
sick sentinel
like, what if we can pick up a non elite and strangle them, mob has to follow you, kinda like the DK vader choke
crude notch
In mythic plus they are the top dmg tank and top healing
There how’s that for a precise counter.
toxic pewter
You all are delusional
strong forum
cobalt seal
Yeah right
toxic pewter
Just look at the numbers
cobalt seal
We are the ones delusional
crude notch
You all are delusional
That’s not a counter
strong forum
That's precisely what we're doing
crude notch
Why won’t you say anything to my comments?
strong forum
You're letting your feelings conflict with facts apb
toxic pewter
Either way when the nerfs come I’ll pop back to this conversation
chrome falcon
Why won’t you say anything to my comments?
because he's trolling
toxic pewter
I am not trolling
chrome falcon
this is the third or fourth time i've seen this exact exchange play out
in the last month
toxic pewter
The numbers currently back what I am saying the difference between vdh and monk can be see where? THE HEALER DPS
THE HEALERS DPS MORE
crude notch
You clearly are. You claim we’re not countering we’re just bullying. Yet when I give you precise counters, you ignore them.
toxic pewter
And that where the numbers lie
ocean yoke
arguing is lame im here to jam
sick sentinel
cuz you know bdk
crude notch
So please stop trolling.
toxic pewter
The healer dps is the difference
cobalt seal
Sure
toxic pewter
That’s where the overpowered amount appears
cobalt seal
Now add 5% from dh
And do the math
Thats 5% on destro
And surv bombs
5% on healer
crude notch
I see healers do the same damage with monk as they do BDK so idk what crack you smoking.
dawn canyon
slim zinc
What is happening here
sick sentinel
https://twitter.com/Naowhxd/status/1505500696023638016?s=20&t=dbssLxULueVCZK90vD...
but did he dieded though?
slim zinc
is someone saying bdk is bad?
sick sentinel
cuz, if he dinnit die, salll good
strong forum
The opposite
cobalt seal
It’s a bit ridiculous when they’re supposed to be the healing tank. Which I am o...
Here you go @slim zinc
slim zinc
Ah yes, bdk mitigates more damage than pwar
and I can win a formula one race with a volvo from the yard
Just need to drug the competition first
crude notch
lol
dawn canyon
but did he dieded though?
they did in fact kill rygelon
slim zinc
bdk does mitigate a lot of damage for a bdk in comparison to previous patches
dawn canyon
^
sick sentinel
and I can win a formula one race with a volvo from the yard
"I don't care what it takes, just win the race!"
slim zinc
but if you're mitigating less as a pwar than a bdk I'm sorry to tell you it's you who's misplaying
urban portal
Damn are we still engaging
chrome falcon
i've given up telling them to stop
ocean yoke
lots of nice grass out there to touch bois
strong forum
I'm just going to bed
slim zinc
it's 2am, the grass is cold
strong forum
As should you
dawn canyon
gn nome
crude notch
Why should we listen to you Matt?
crude notch
Nome it’s 820p definitely not bed time
Ha ha ha
Your bear emotes have no power here
strong forum
As a famous person who I forgot once said, nothing good happens after 2 am
slim zinc
😢
strong forum
slim zinc
As a famous person who I forgot once said, nothing good happens after 2 am
I've got leftover pizza so they wrong
crude notch
chrome falcon
Why should we listen to you Matt?
i mean, i was right, wasn't i
strong forum
I've got leftover pizza so they wrong
That was eaten at 1am
crude notch
Right about what?
Congratulations you’re holier than everyone.
Have a cookie.
🍪
Oh wait you’re not, because you admitted to keep checking blocked messages.
chrome falcon
unfortunately i can't have wheat, dairy, or cocoa, you've just caused a crohns flare-up
ocean yoke
babe wake up new argument just dropped
toxic pewter
unfortunately i can't have wheat, dairy, or cocoa, you've just caused a crohns f...
My brother has crohns I am sorry to hear that. Truly awful disease.
crude notch
You can make cookies out of other things.
chrome falcon
yeah and they all taste like dogshit
toxic pewter
Dwarf and DID need nerf, that is prob coming in dragonflight hopefully
NE shadowmeld too
toxic pewter
Going to add that to my list of things to watch for
crude notch
Why do you want everything nerfed
toxic pewter
sup
crude notch
Sheesh
toxic pewter
They are toxic abilities
crude notch
You’re like Blizzard. NERF NERF NERF
crude notch
Gods please
toxic pewter
Just my opinion, they promote a type of gameplay I do not enjoy
chrome falcon
and now you've set him off again
crude notch
Didn’t set him off again
cobalt seal
Just my opinion, they promote a type of gameplay I do not enjoy
And thats what
crude notch
Genius
toxic pewter
'click a button all is good again!'
crude notch
Learn to read.
cobalt seal
What
crude notch
Your autoimmune disease doesn’t prevent you from reading
sick sentinel
i dunno wtf i missed
toxic pewter
being able to cheese mechanics
sick sentinel
but some drama
toxic pewter
its detrimental to the game
cobalt seal
Da fuck
toxic pewter
needs a nerf
cobalt seal
Are you on about now
toxic pewter
or compelte rework
cobalt seal
Sure sure
ocean yoke
nerf human i was stunned and then i wasnt wtf is that?
cobalt seal
Nerf the money making
toxic pewter
Are you on about now
Nerf bdk, nerf dwarf and dark iron dwarf racial, and night elf racial
chrome falcon
Your autoimmune disease doesn’t prevent you from reading
this is a very weird post 
crude notch
Your inability to read is weird too but we allow it
cobalt seal
Nerf bdk, nerf dwarf and dark iron dwarf racial, and night elf racial
Nerf you playing skills
toxic pewter
Thats 100% gonna happen
Just adding it to my list I am making gonna make a forum post. I realized the more people think I am trolling, the more it needs to be nerfed
crude notch
Just adding it to my list I am making gonna make a forum post. I realized the mo...
Ah yes a forum post
cobalt seal
You already got nerfed
toxic pewter
Need to nerf haste also
chrome falcon
i have no idea why you're going after me when all i did was joke about how people need to stop engaging the obvious troll
crude notch
You definitely sound like a forum post Andy
toxic pewter
If I could press a button and remove haste from the game, I would
dawn canyon
L
crude notch
Remove haste. That’s a good one.
urban portal
Haste is venthyr best stat
toxic pewter
Haste is venthyr best stat
Well that is something I am willing to lose. For the betterment of the game.
sick sentinel
i found the source of the overhealing
sick sentinel
its all because of this guy
chrome falcon
has he called you all speedfreaks yet
sick sentinel
crude notch
Don’t lie Matt you clicked.
cobalt seal
chrome falcon
?
toxic pewter
I stand by it
crude notch
i have no idea why you're going after me when all i did was joke about how peopl...
Remember when this was all you said
I member
chrome falcon
he does this bit every week or so
cobalt seal
He did
chrome falcon
ctrl+f speedfreak from apb
dawn canyon
turn off friendly nameplates
crude notch
he does this bit every week or so
He hasn’t said delete haste for 2 months
toxic pewter
No... just certain things I find detrimental to the game
Haste is just bad design tbh
its lazy
crude notch
Let me see that forum post when you’re done
toxic pewter
Ok I will keep you posted
crude notch
Thanks
ocean yoke
or dont
cobalt seal
Vers is a good stat then?
toxic pewter
The more people go crazy over my opinions, the more I know I am onto something
cobalt seal
Not boring at all
toxic pewter
Vers is a good stat then?
yah verse is fine, dont see anyone freaking out if I said lets nerf vers
in fact most would be happy with that
cobalt seal
Nah
crude notch
You’re right Apb. The evil overlords of haste enthusiasts will pay.
cobalt seal
This 100% is a troll
chrome falcon
wow cro, you think?
cobalt seal
Nah
cobalt seal
Who isnt he banned?
crude notch
Matt, if you’re right or wrong, who cares. Messing with trolls is fun.
cobalt seal
crude notch
If you want a quiet discord. Create your own and sit in it.
toxic pewter
Why would I be banned? I am just offering my opinions
crude notch
Down with haste!
chrome falcon
i have no idea cro, normally he manages to avoid mods when he goes off on one and whenever he doesn't they just leave
toxic pewter
I think bdk needs nerf, certain racials, and haste is just a bad design
that it at the moment tbh
crude notch
Heckin speedfreaks
toxic pewter
Lol
crude notch
Go play FF14 if you want to play a slower game boomer.
toxic pewter
maybe that is what we need. Go back to basics
crude notch
Go play classic
toxic pewter
Lol wat? Why would I play a game I already beat years ago
that desnt make any sense
O_o
crude notch
Neither does deleting haste, yet here you are.
toxic pewter
It’s just bad design, they can perhaps load the haste into the already designed frameworks and abilities or something
I just think it’s boring to be honest. The stat itself
crude notch
Anyways, I’m out it’s been real, it’s been fun, but it hasn’t been real fun. Enjoy your night trolling @toxic pewter @chrome falcon
toxic pewter
Good night
chrome falcon
do you have a crush on me or something dude holy
crude notch
No you disgust me.
toxic pewter
😮
chrome falcon
mighty valley
what the fuck happened here
toxic pewter
Got everyone upset cuz I said blizz should nerf bdk
And then went on to talk about certain other nerfs I think would be good
chrome falcon
apb succeeded in his standard mission of burning this channel to the ground for another hour or so
toxic pewter
Not even accurate though
chrome falcon
had some fresh meat, y'know
mighty valley
oh you asked to delete haste again
ocean yoke
this all couldve been an email
cobalt seal
@mighty valley this One is on you
crude notch
had some fresh meat, y'know
Not new bud. Nice attempt at trolling though.
toxic pewter
Nah I’m done for now
chrome falcon
oh, and i think this jordan guy wants to fuck me
toxic pewter
LOL
chrome falcon
i haven't sent a message in the last 20 minutes that he hasn't directly responded to
toxic pewter
Get a room you two
crude notch
oh, and i think this jordan guy wants to fuck me
Not a guy.
chrome falcon
see? can't help themselves
crude notch
lol yeah okay
urban portal
Matt is too much of a gamer
crude notch
You’re just as much a troll as apb
urban portal
You always deny saying this like 2 weeks later
ocean yoke
"class discords are a great resource to learn your spec and theory craft" they try to say lol
chrome falcon
well
cobalt seal
You always deny saying this like 2 weeks later
Its called being bipolar
toxic pewter
You always deny saying this like 2 weeks later
Ok listen about the venthyr warr I agree it’s not good and prob never will be ok.
chrome falcon
this is why i told everyone to ignore apb
urban portal
And trollers
chrome falcon
because if someone came in wanting help
they wouldn't want to interrupt everyone arguing with apb
crude notch
"class discords are a great resource to learn your spec and theory craft" they t...
Who says that lol
urban portal
Wowhead!
ocean yoke
they, its in the sentence
toxic pewter
@chrome falcon is right to some extent. I never meant for arguments to arise based on my opinions
dusky mica
The first nerf they planned for DK was the right one
toxic pewter
But it does appear they occurred
broken crater
can someone link me start of 🍿
toxic pewter
The first nerf they planned for DK was the right one
Dude that’s exactly what I was saying
dusky mica
before the internet outrage mob kicked in
broken crater
The first nerf they planned for DK was the right one
not that harsh but closer to that than what they got instead, yes
the initial nerf wouldve made re-timing keys impossible that they already timed
dusky mica
have you tried keeping up necro banner as arms? DK should be on par with that nightmare
broken crater
same vdh meta
dusky mica
right now with enough gear you can have infinite rune weapon
broken crater
is ~55% at best, in halls
chrome falcon
have you tried keeping up necro banner as arms? DK should be on par with that ni...
i still think it's hilarious that blizz insta-nerf 100% banner uptime on fury but they think prot is dogshit so it's ok for us to have it
dusky mica
the gameplay on dk is also total turd, people only playing it because it's busted
toxic pewter
Yeah the haste meta has just gone too far in my opinion. Having to do double or triple apm just to stay competitive. Hand and wrist doctors are loving prot warrs right now
dusky mica
haste shouldn't be on gear, it should be a proc only
toxic pewter
Oh wow, look at that, someone who agrees with me
who would of guessed that would happen.
dusky mica
we are probably old players
dusky mica
same
toxic pewter
Thank you
chrome falcon
it's incredible, right
toxic pewter
I value your input
chrome falcon
it's like if yogi started using his powers for evil
toxic pewter
LOL
dusky mica
boomers are anti haste
toxic pewter
yogi is a good man
I am watching his climb to hero
he says he is stopping, but everyone knows once you get a taste of the speed... theres no going back..
sick sentinel
it's like if yogi started using his powers for evil
I'm not that nice, i'm mean and i'm evil, i've got some work to do now, i'm gunna eat your heart out.
broken crater
jesus
dusky mica
there's some clown tier tanking in keys these days, tanks shuffling around, moving mobs out of damage circles for no reason
crude notch
Keep the crayons away from the warriors
toxic pewter
there's some clown tier tanking in keys these days, tanks shuffling around, movi...
dude, I was thinking that same thing when I am leveling my rogue..
so many tanks dragging mobs around its awful
sick sentinel
I'm not that nice, i'm mean and i'm evil, i've got some work to do now, i'm gunn...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmozGmGoJuw referencing this
toxic pewter
im like trying to backstab over here
dusky mica
I'm shouting at the screen "JUST STOP" and these pleb tanks going for a jog
broken crater
pls
dusky mica
pulls mobs, everyone drops their shit, tank moves away from everything
crude notch
chrome falcon
pulls mobs, everyone drops their shit, tank moves away from everything
good fuck dps
dusky mica
😄
ocean yoke
leveling dungeon that tank probably doing 3x more damage than everyone else tbh
sick sentinel
Running drama.exe
It's super effective!
ocean yoke
scaling is wack
dusky mica
trying to play arms in keys turns you into a bad man
chrome falcon
<#148897941883584512> chat worse than <#148898695696482305>
i'm desperate for some 2.6k io person playing kyrian to come ask how they can improve and post logs
ocean yoke
oh wait you said keys
dawn canyon
i'm desperate for some 2.6k io person playing kyrian to come ask how they can im...
logs are fun
sick sentinel
scaling is wack
liberal scaling to everything is wack FTFY
planned scaling of ability dmg is amazing
crude notch
i'm desperate for some 2.6k io person playing kyrian to come ask how they can im...
You don’t have to sit here if you hate it that much, you know.
chrome falcon
logs are fun <:gladge:963970137701109820>
i like it when they play conduits that are suboptimal and we get to explain why
ocean yoke
liberal scaling to everything is wack FTFY
lvl 10 arcane mage is the true expansion endboss
chrome falcon
You don’t have to sit here if you hate it that much, you know.
i seriously don't know what your problem is with me specifically but please leave me alone thanks this is like the 8th time you've pinged me to try to pick a fight
crude notch
I’m not trying to pick a fight I’m providing friendly advice.
broken crater
get told
crude notch
You’re the one endlessly complaining yet still sitting in the mud.
sick sentinel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMIt4qCmzoQ game dev problems from a players perspective in another game well thought out with examples
you could easily extrapolate this to wow or another game, i would equate this to tank TDev in pvp power levels of weapons
crude notch
“Man I hate it when I have to sit in this discord and have no possible way of leaving it” -Matt 2022
mighty valley
i haven't seen you in here before and your level of hostility is absolutely off the charts
what is going on
crude notch
I’ve been in here plenty thanks.
mighty valley
i scrolled back through the convo and all matt was saying was "don't engage this bad argument"
crude notch
Good on him.
Thankfully he didn’t talk about how he kept clicking “blocked message” a million times either.
sweet kettle
i'm desperate for some 2.6k io person playing kyrian to come ask how they can im...
ouch
chrome falcon
ouch
wasn't a burn brother sorry if it came out that way, i enjoy looking at people logs and trying to help them
you were just the most recent example that came to mind
broken crater
yea totally the impression i got
sweet kettle
all good :p
chrome falcon
pretty soon you'll be the 3k io person playing necro telling everyone else to play necro anyway
cinder nova
y'all bad don't @ me
cobalt seal
@cinder nova
crude notch
@cinder nova
cinder nova
@cobalt seal @crude notch
cobalt seal
crude notch
umbral island
If I back myself into a corner and have no rage/ss on CD/an outburst do I just rip a sad Tclap or is it worth straight waiting for SS? (I know this problem is less likely if I just manage my other stuff better but I’m learning)
potent anvil
Probably someone more informed than me can correct me, but I would just thunderclap. Especially if you're solely relying on a slam reset via auto's. Either that or maybe charge/intervene for rage to revenge and hope for a reset.
I think that casting something is better than auto attacking for a shield slam. But I dunno.
toxic pewter
Yes I agree casting thunderclap is the move especially hoping it resets shield slam cooldown.
ionic fern
verbal hill
What's SS again?
ionic fern
Shield Slam.