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#protection
strong forum
ionic fern
jagged pier
for pve too?
no
jagged pier
:KEKW:
frosty holly
New vault changes kinda kewl doe
Are they tho? Kinda yikes they put sockets behind a weekly lockout thats only available if you pick no loot
proven patio
Are they tho? Kinda yikes they put sockets behind a weekly lockout thats only av...
Better than korthia or velari rep
proven patio
Atleast this way i can get sockets whenever my vault is shit
west walrus
Eyir socks
gilded tendonBOT
🧦
proven patio
I was hyped for seismic + reprisal combo all of 9.0.5 and 9.1 until they announced only cov leggo + 1 sl. regular leggo.
frosty holly
Better than korthia or velari rep
Yea sure. But it's last raid season. They could easily just thrown it in there with Exalted rep being the wall. Then just let us buy with Cyphers.. Because you get so many Cyphers.
Instead we get massively time gated socket from vault.
tawdry dirge
is there any good raid trinkets for us?
jagged pier
no
tawdry dirge
or are we again after scale
proven patio
Yea sure. But it's last raid season. They could easily just thrown it in there w...
But getting it with exalted rep is basically time gate. Having to grind the daily and 3 worldquests from. Revered to exalted for the enlightened is something that i surely do not want to do.
blazing condor
then just smack a sack, phial or ows onto it or something
tawdry dirge
yeah but cant get aegis higher then 252 😄
proven patio
is there any good raid trinkets for us?
Running aegis and fate scribe trinket after rework when I have to tank highkeys
strong forum
Aegis is 100% bis for alot of fights
west walrus
Nothing can compete an unlimited absorption trinket
strong forum
Especially jailer 
tawdry dirge
running scale and aeigs atm
frosty holly
But getting it with exalted rep is basically time gate. Having to grind the dail...
Already 2k into Exalted. So way less time gated then having to wait several weeks to get sockets on all gear :p
tawdry dirge
but i only have 226 scale 😄
blazing condor
at least you can farm scale
proven patio
Already 2k into Exalted. So way less time gated then having to wait several week...
So you didn't miss a single world quest and even grinded first day the biweekly? Idk mate. Just because you had the time to do all of that to reduce timegate doesn't mean other can aswell. Most of us are still honored because they missed a few days in the last 3 weeks
tawdry dirge
its kinda meh true but also kinda nice
frosty holly
Dude I didn't even get contract nor did i get darkmoon fair buff. I could be way further into the rep xD
Also not missing WQ aint really impressive? Only 3 a day
combined time doing them all is what 15 min max
proven patio
Not everyone can log in every single day and do wq
jagged pier
doing wqs everyday u should still be honoured
farming rares and chest for rep is where u get extra
frosty holly
No? chests gives no rep
jagged pier
they have a chance to drop rep items
ive got a few
and ive done every quest every day
and im only 8k into honoured
frosty holly
Doing every single available rare every day is like 290 rep max. That is if you do the 3 dunes ones that are up very sporadically
There are 2-3 75 rep items. One time things Favour of the first ones or something like that.
proven patio
So you are exalted now after spending hours each day in zm to farm for exalted without even being able to get unity legendary before people who just did the wqs and the weekly?
proven patio
Already 2k into Exalted. So way less time gated then having to wait several week...
Thought you are exalted
Ah. Mb then.
jagged pier
i mean its sort of pointless grinding the rep
frosty holly
Indeed. My point wasn't about that tho
It was that Vault in the end is more timegated then rep would be
jagged pier
doing the wqs literally give u unity on any slot at the same unity belt anyways
proven patio
i mean its sort of pointless grinding the rep
jagged pier
i mean not really
soon enough ill not be getting upgrades in it
tbh i didnt have upgrades in it last week
would have taken a socket item and held it for later
blazing condor
free augment rune pog
jagged pier
i have over 500 from misson table
frosty holly
So the first vault with 278 you literally had no upgrade at all? Mine wasn't great but still like 20 dps
jagged pier
not really no
nothing useless
i got a 278 ring with less haste on it than my other rings
at least i can trade rings now
frosty holly
Ye the augment rune is laughable. But i guess i can buy it for main and send my hundreds of augment runes to alts shrugs
proven patio
it was fun whilst it lasted skyhold bros
When will you return crowned one.
jagged pier
So the first vault with 278 you literally had no upgrade at all? Mine wasn't gre...
this was my vault, 265 ring useless will get replaced, chest i have and is tier slot to useless to take, wasit useless as unity, so'leash i already ahve better trinkets, chest again pointless, ring i took very minor upgrade and the ring will get replaced with better, and pvp gear all shit, as have 259 bracers and the rest was tier piece slots so useless
👍
none of the pieces procted tier ither even tho i'd killed alot of tier bosses so should have had a higher chance
jagged pier
that was last week
cant wait for this week
3 hc slots from raid no tier
3 m+ vault
no tier
blazing condor
When will you return crowned one.
when the winds once again whisper my name
jagged pier
fuck pvp row cba
jagged pier
if i had a healer to pvp with i'd be fine
blazing condor
mwahi mistweaver pog
jagged pier
but puggin is worse than m+
topaz ember
Yea my vault was so bad last week the only 2 possible choices I could of made 278 helm not tier or 278 IQD. So I took the trinket and it’s so trash in raid. And of course I got a weapon in my first vault but it was in the normal raid slot
topaz ember
polar nimbus
I'm having the hardest time tanking keys... Can anyone give me a good guide or something lol
ionic fern
I'm having the hardest time tanking keys... Can anyone give me a good guide or s...
That's not really anything to go by.
jagged pier
Iqd is bis for NL
well maybe not anymore tbh as u have enough rage anyways
strong forum
Can't not execute fast enough
ionic fern
Icy Veins / WoWhead guides are a starting point to understanding the class.
Other than that the best bet would be to provide us some logs.
strong forum
More haste means more executes during LS window
polar nimbus
I'm getting slapped around in 15s I have played with 27 hast/vers 20 I also ran 23 hast / vers 27
strong forum
Means more executes back to back
ionic fern
I'm getting slapped around in 15s I have played with 27 hast/vers 20 I also ran ...
That's irrelevant.
strong forum
I'm getting slapped around in 15s I have played with 27 hast/vers 20 I also ran ...
The difference in vers is 3.5% DR.... That's nothing
Stats don't matter, correct play matters muuuuuuuuuch more
ionic fern
But without logs we can't really give you any adequate feedback.
Generic feedback that we can provide...
More often than not it's usually a mix of:
-Low SB up-time
-A lot of wasted rage
-Prioritising IP over SB
-Not pressing your rotational buttons enough so you have less rage to go around and use
-Not using your defensive CD's
strong forum
And that doesn't just mean your own play, your entire party play matters
If you play poorly no amount of obtainable vers is gonna help you
polar nimbus
I always have SB up I tried to use ignore paid when needed and I tried keeping ignore pain up but nothing is working lol I'm just confused how to live 😂
strong forum
That's what everybody says
jagged pier
1000% guarentee u dont have SB up
strong forum
And then they show up with 50cpm
jagged pier
34cpm
polar nimbus
What's that
blazing condor
Casts per minute
strong forum
Casts per minute
jagged pier
cats per mile
polar nimbus
Idk what that does lol
strong forum
How many abilities you use in a 1min window
blazing condor
Its just an indication of how active you are during combat.
jagged pier
if i got money everytime someone says they have SB up all the time, but the dont i would be reasonably wealthy
blazing condor
In terms of buttons pressed
strong forum
Only thing to prove otherwise would be to bring logs
ionic fern
I always have SB up I tried to use ignore paid when needed and I tried keeping i...
What's your character name? Maybe someone has logged a run.
polar nimbus
Umm alot lol revenge of I have to spend rage , SS when up TC when up
Intervene when up
I'll get it for you one sec
jagged pier
look we cant take anything u say at face value
polar nimbus
I recent changed to necro cus I got that cov trinket and I thought I would be more tanky lol
jagged pier
we need logs
strong forum
Necro is horrible in keys
mortal whale
You can check your uptime of sb in details as well in the tab auras
ionic fern
🙂
strong forum
Raw SB uptime is scuffed
jagged pier
You can check your uptime of sb in details as well in the tab auras
irrelevant
strong forum
Don't look at that
mortal whale
Why not?
jagged pier
because it take in total uptime
what if your kiting
what is mobs are casting and not meleeing
literally wasting uptime
but counts to overall
mortal whale
Ye sure but its an indication?
strong forum
Not a good one
jagged pier
its a terrible one
polar nimbus
I have no logs and idk where to check to be honest lol
strong forum
Rip
mortal whale
Hmm
polar nimbus
Ok
mortal whale
I usually have around 80% uptime there
mortal whale
You tell me im doing something wrong :p
jagged pier
u can have 80% uptime and 40% blocked hits
strong forum
And you telling me you have 80% raw SB uptime means you're 100% playing HR
blazing condor
You can have 80% uptime and 0% blocked hits if you give back to every mob
mortal whale
Hr? (Sorry pretty new tonprot war)
strong forum
Heavy repercussions
strong forum
Talent on last row
strong forum
Reprisal covers for low haste quite a bit
strong forum
HR does make it alot easier for raw block uptime yes
polar nimbus
Man..
ionic fern
@polar nimbus
#protection message
mortal whale
Im still pretty new to prot. I was told sb uptime was prio 1 but you're telling me thats not the case?
jagged pier
tbh its very ez to have like 100% uptime with HR imo
strong forum
You can get well over 80% blocked hits with reprisal alone
It's not wrong to play HR, but not needed if you play well
Unless you're doing like ultra keys
jagged pier
and with 4 set u dont play it at all
strong forum
Yeah
mortal whale
Ye with 4 set i saw cause of the avatar dm
ionic fern
and with 4 set u dont play it at all
I'll play Bolster with 4p once i get it in 4 months.
Take that.
mortal whale
Dr rather
polar nimbus
What's HR?
strong forum
Ngl, I think bolster might be a good play for jailer on mythic just because of LS cdr
That dot
ionic fern
Heavy Repercussions
strong forum
Seems brutal
jagged pier
Ngl, I think bolster might be a good play for jailer on mythic just because of L...
free IPs from tier will cover it 
strong forum
45k every 1 sec for 18sec is insanely scary
polar nimbus
Are you suppose to keep ignore pain up time too??
mortal whale
So what do you use tondecide when to block and when not?
strong forum
Knowledge
jagged pier
strong forum
Know when stuff won't melee you
strong forum
Yes
ionic fern
I mean..i also sometimes actively don't use SB cause:
1)Incoming damage is irrelevant
2)I got SW up
3)DS/IP is enough to prevent any serious damage
4)I got a healer external and it covers the damage intake
🤷
Or the fifth and the most important one:
I'm too busy spamming Revenge.
strong forum
Same
mortal whale
Hmmm
blazing condor
If the mobs are about dead i dont really refresh my sb
Unless i know its gonna kill me
mortal whale
And you guys are pushing?
blazing condor
Might as well help the key and dps
mortal whale
Or is this farm content?
blazing condor
You can do up to 25s (if not more) without having to minmax every ability and cd
mortal whale
I tanked a 15 spires at 248 ilvlish and i did feel very squishy without sb :D
polar nimbus
I mean..i also sometimes actively don't use SB cause:
1)Incoming damage is irrel...
Then I don't understand how I'm squishy loool 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 unless bad healers??
ionic fern
It doesn't matter what content.
Still comes down to knowledge.
Don't get us wrong - keeping SB up and not putting unneccessary pressure on your healer is still your top priority. There are just a lot of nuances if you want to deep-dive into it.
strong forum
15 at 248 should be fine?
strong forum
There's a difference
Between not keeping up SB
And you squeezing 1 or 2 globals of not using SB
To cover a better spread of attacks
Gotta be efficient about it
mortal whale
What kind of dps are you doing in a 15 out of interest (i know itd impacted by various things, but give me a mediam :D)
strong forum
Reprisal in itself allows you to get close to 90% blocked hits
HR is just another 10% ontop
Since im undergeard my highest dps in spires was only like 7ish K
I think
mortal whale
Ye in a pull i can keep up sb pretty much indefinatly with my setup
And whats undergeared for you?
:p
strong forum
243
polar nimbus
I can't tank a key and I'm 258
mortal whale
7k before 9.1? :o
strong forum
No it was during 9.1
jagged pier
I can't tank a key and I'm 258
then u are playing drastically wrong
ionic fern
strong forum
I was undergeard shut up :D
mortal whale
7k in spires and 6k in mists? :p
strong forum
M8...
polar nimbus
then u are playing drastically wrong
Can you also be my team not interuoring or heals?? Or that's not the issue? I get clapped by casters all the time lol
jagged pier
Can you also be my team not interuoring or heals?? Or that's not the issue? I g...
i mean i pug so my groups are aweful im fine in keys, because i cover everything 🤷
ionic fern
Can you also be my team not interuoring or heals?? Or that's not the issue? I g...
It can also be your teams fault, yes. But first look at your own play and then start blaming others.
polar nimbus
I think you should be doing more damage in most then spires lol 🤣
strong forum
But only 8.5k in mists cuz low ilvl :D
ionic fern
But only 8.5k in mists cuz low ilvl :D
Get rekt, i'm 251 ilvl.
strong forum
I think you should be doing more damage in most then spires lol 🤣
Again... Its a whole patch difference
polar nimbus
Ok thank you guys soon much 🙏🏼💪🏼
mortal whale
Jakey = jakeyplops?
jagged pier
yes
mortal whale
Grats man you had the 3d highest dps logged for a 15 mists last season :D
ionic fern
WHAT?!?!?!?
jagged pier
oh right cool i guess
strong forum
Erga had #1
jagged pier
also true
strong forum
Ya
mortal whale
For prot war i mean
ionic fern
😂
jagged pier
yer look at the key
strong forum
Yes shen, we did a few 5 prot runs
mortal whale
It wasnt of of those
strong forum
🤔
mortal whale
2 war 1 lock 1 shaman and a mw
jagged pier
my highest numbers werent even in 15
strong forum
Smh, monk buff padder
jagged pier
i think it was a 17 or somthing
mortal whale
Then it wasnt logged
Highest prot damage logged for all keylvls in mistd is 8.1k :p
For season 2
jagged pier
Yes shen, we did a few 5 prot runs
it was a 16k, my and erga 2nd and 3rd on that run
jagged pier
they different runs for the 17
ionic fern
Highest prot damage logged for all keylvls in mistd is 8.1k :p
That seems wrong.
jagged pier
it was
ionic fern
jagged pier
dont forget mwahi it takes in travel time
strong forum
Ya 16 seems right
ionic fern
dont forget mwahi it takes in travel time
Yes, but it takes it into consideration for ALL the keys
So it levels out.
jagged pier
hes boomer
ionic fern
I'm boomerer.
woeful trellis
😁😁
mortal whale
I totally forgot warcraftogs for m+ existed
Just checked logged damage for 15 spires and feel less bad about myself :D
Sure i prob have higher than needed sb uptime but i still do very respectable damage
Cant wait for set bonus
ionic fern
mortal whale
Thanks for carrying me through this boring meeting. Now back to work
tame jasper
What trinkets do you use for raidi g, espc halondrus? I use fate for 2nd life and aegis, but aegis feels somehow useless, scale also 🤷♂️
upper flame
in M+, can the relics be pulled without the pack they belong to? I know it happened on Tzv gambit, but can it be done in general?
Cuz the second pull on NW is with relics and its a team wiper
rugged mural
There seems to be a lot of inconsistency with how relics are linked to packs. Some you can, some you can’t from what I’ve seen.
mellow bridge
Yea that's correct
blazing condor
in M+, can the relics be pulled without the pack they belong to? I know it happe...
You can but depends on the pack in my experience. The pack before 3rd boss in HOA you can pull without pulling encrypted but other packs are just too closely spaced
earnest pond
If you are OTing on a raid boss, is there any issues intervening the other tank to proc lego?
chrome falcon
@earnest pond depends. If you have a rebuff making you take double damage, you don’t want to tank a melee swing. Just depends on your HC and whatever the tank mechanics are
HP*
earnest pond
<@!465325189199298560> depends. If you have a rebuff making you take double dama...
Thank you. Our MT just had a death in the fam so I'm trying to learn how to raid tank quick lol
jagged pier
If you are OTing on a raid boss, is there any issues intervening the other tank ...
you shouldnt be intervening when off tanking, u do it while your tanking for the uptime
earnest pond
you shouldnt be intervening when off tanking, u do it while your tanking for the...
Any concerns turning your back then? I worry I'd move the boss or expose my back
jagged pier
what offtanking is when u dont have aggro?
theres no such thing as a main tank and a offtank anymore
there are only 2 tanks
that do the same thing
earnest pond
Sure
chrome falcon
Where is your offtank standing that intervening means turning your back
That doesn’t make sense to me
jagged pier
melee u should be
intervening the other tank
can give u bosses mechanics u dont want
or pick your moment
but u should be using repisal
faint iron
intervene cotank on skolex.. bring CDs 🙂
tropic linden
Any macro for marking encrypted?
blazing condor
Probably some WA somewhere
wild hemlock
urh is god
strong forum
No thoughts, head empty, kill urh
west walrus
Just put a skull on Wo, they'll stop focusing it
woeful trellis
My pugs but with Wo
I feel that
forest fern
Just looking at the pins for legendary info. By "craft second legendary to waist, then helm later when you have 4 piece" is that meaning, craft a 291 version waist, or just stick with the "welfare" version waist you will get for free when its unlocked?
strong forum
Depends on your pockets
forest fern
ahkay that's what I figured, thanks
if I was to temp craft a 291, would you still think belt, or would another slot feel a better option
strong forum
The unity legendary you get from the quest you can't upgrade anyway. So it's either belt for you until you have 4p on every slot but helm
Or just sticking to belt
forest fern
I guess what I meant was, from a stat budget setting, would it be better on the other spare slots, bracer, back, rings etc than remaining on a belt in that interim while waiting for 4 piece etc
strong forum
Na helmet is defo biggest stat budget from the available pieces
There are good rings from raid and m+
forest fern
right but isnt' the helmet not a craftable option until 4 piece, as you don't want it in a potential "clash" slot until you achieve that goal. I'm talking in the meantime until that time arrives etc
strong forum
Uuuuhm.
Belt has a solid stat budget until then
Only slightly worse than legs
Iirc
forest fern
ahhkay cool, thanks for the info
wild hemlock
yo is NA up?
radiant magnet
wild hemlock
sick TY
jagged pier
278 shield is more available
strong forum
Shield has prio
Unless you can easily get the 278 shield from raid
If you don't have easy access, pick shield
You're gonna get plenty of tier token drops, getting a max ilvl shield is much less probable
tame jasper
Theres no haste/versa shield from m+ right? So only scolex?
deep steppe
Quick question lads. I can get 278 wrists with a socket, or the Normal Lords of Dread Tier shoulders (which would give me 2 piece)
deep steppe
strong forum
But only works if you can be patient about not getting tier ASAP
Okay those are yucky
But still good ilvl + socket
sweet summit
i'd take tier now that you can get sockets from vault later
deep steppe
but cant you make any gear into tier gear later too?
sweet summit
yes, but tier now is more impactful than a socket
deep steppe
hmmmmmm ok, I can upgrade my current bracers to 272 anyway so, not a crisis there
thanks guys!
ionic nimbus
bracers are the shitty slot itself ... so dont focus on bracers
if u can geht tier bonus, thats an upgrade, you should take
ionic nimbus
first upgrade should be 272 shield, very cheap and good
mighty cairn
how much of a diff is 272 vs 278 shield
mighty cairn
265 heroic andy tier prob not easy to come by either
deep steppe
first upgrade should be 272 shield, very cheap and good
that would require me to get a shield drop 🙃
ionic nimbus
that would require me to get a shield drop 🙃
keep points until it drops, then u can upgrade weapon or trinket
but bracers does not give u stats ...
sweet summit
ye
surreal plinth
Thanks 🙂
sweet summit
wild hemlock
not a single piece of tier on my enh hahaha
frosty holly
You will loot lots in raid. I pray
wild hemlock
You will loot lots in raid. I pray
lmao TY
thought i did one 15 on my prot but i forgot it had leavers so i didnt get loot on my warrior 😦
frosty holly
:/
wild hemlock
and then got a 260 something blade dancer trinket on my prot pally lmaoooo
upgraded my 230 blade dancer
frail spindle
It's still Haste/Versa on leggos right?
ionic nimbus
It's still Haste/Versa on leggos right?
yep
green eagle
Have 252 Season 2 BSS, and 246 Old Warriors Soul
Better to upgrade ilvl on BSS and get the season 3 version? Or get Codex to replace OWS that's capped on ilvl
ionic nimbus
Codex is not that good for Prot warrior, Scale is always nice... so gz for 265 scale 😄
whole sphinx
Ya, scale is still bis i believe
grizzled lotus
Yo, 278 Axe of the Dreadgrove with LEECH
whole sphinx
Nice!
green eagle
tyty
raven hatch
Codex is not that good for Prot warrior, Scale is always nice... so gz for 265 s...
both prot guides say the codex is bis defensive trinket
I feel as though I need two defensive trinkets to survive m+ pulls consistently
I keep watching Tattman, and he has aegis from sanctum and gets so much value... I don't have the option to get that trinket... will codex fill that void?
sweet summit
it is the 2nd best defensive trinket from dungeons which is an extremely low bar
codex will not fill aegis' void
raven hatch
rip
raven hatch
do i need to pulsing riftshard maybe? will that fill the role?
sweet summit
idk what that is so probably not
raven hatch
the new heroic deffensive on use shield trinket
ionic nimbus
both prot guides say the codex is bis defensive trinket
which prot guides do you mean? actually opened wowhead (source for most casual gamers) - Codex is A ranked "It's a totally passive defensive trinket, but it's capable of absorbing and dealing a lot of damage over the course of a boss fight or a Mythic+ dungeon." - 5 Trinkets are higher ranked
jagged pier
do i need to pulsing riftshard maybe? will that fill the role?
no
jagged pier
252 and yes
raven hatch
as in i have to find some 'mog' runs xD?
ionic nimbus
read first, that are only m+ sources.´, below you can find the overall ranking
hollow citrus
Anyone interested in running normal and trading tier? Got heroic hands and legs LF ppl with any of the other
jagged pier
ionic nimbus
even with 239 aegis is still very strong in defensive ..
jagged pier
yep
ionic nimbus
and new raid trinkets for tanks are meh..
jagged pier
likely second best trinket
raven hatch
that sucks
sweet summit
5 min cd 
surreal plinth
that 5 min cd is rough
ionic nimbus
but 1.100-1320 vers is heavy .. but CD is too long
maybe in some kind of MDI setup with huge pulls, maybe its worth trying ... but you have to play alot around a 5min CD ...
chrome falcon
oh nah it seems like donkey balls in m+
with the state of tank trinkets these days i'll probably still be using aegis in 10.0
chrome falcon
with banner+avatar+first sigil you are going to top meter during execute in raids
no cap
chrome falcon
yes sir
anduin, lords of dread and jailer are all going to have long execute phases that shouldn't hit the tank too hard (lords probably a bit worse)
so we can just rip fat executes it's going to be great
jagged pier
XD no
anduin is fine
lord of dread truck at the end
and jailer just been buffed through the roof
jagged pier
no ry just hurts the entire time
chrome falcon
ry fucking blasts the tank
but unless i'm reading it wrong, jailer doesn't even have a tank mechanic in p3?
other than the chains which you just break
and since it's a giant physical dot, that's a job for my brewmaster, not for me
austere forum
Is Wall legendary ok to run in M+
jagged pier
not really no
blazing condor
It wont stop you from doing keys and tanking but it will make it way harder
Not worth it unless youre doing way low keys but then it doesnt even matter
ionic nimbus
Not worth it unless youre doing way low keys but then it doesnt even matter
but even in lowkeys, more dmg will speed u up 😄
urban portal
the idea is the lower key you do the more damage you run
strong forum
but even in lowkeys, more dmg will speed u up 😄
Wall is alot less dmg than reprisal tho
So it's just straight up lose-lose to play Wall :d
chilly brook
@wild rampart How'd that trial go?
strong forum
He just killed halondrus yesterday, didn't you see?
I mean today
Forgot it was today
chilly brook
nah
strong forum
Was even a wowhead post
sturdy sable
man i want a first sigil so bad
ive been messing around with a heroic one
makes execute and opener nice
chrome falcon
i got a HC one drop first week
but i already had the stupid bell from skolex so i had to trade it
because for some reason that trinket can drop for prot
sturdy sable
got mine from the box lol no one would let me keep it if it actually dropped for me
chrome falcon
oh man i double stacked outburst on anduin and hit 2 100k shield slams in 2 globals
and straight NUTTED
sturdy sable
its very satisfying
mighty valley
that must've been uncomfortable for the rest of the fight but probably worth it
mighty valley
i hope nutting is happening naturally
inner sable
what cov. are we rocking with a 2 piece?
mighty valley
i wish good health to all warriors
mighty valley
i'm... probably sticking kyrian? might try necro in normal?
chrome falcon
necrolord in raid and there's no contest imo
mighty valley
don't think anyone's super mathed out the 2pc scenario
chrome falcon
necrolord absolutely blows kyrian out of the water in raids imo
inner sable
necro based with 2? i know its good for 4
chrome falcon
unless the boss has some kind of downtime period i'm finding my banner uptime ridiculous
and banner is an insane buff
inner sable
are you running glory Mattacate?
chrome falcon
yeah
chrome falcon
but i've been a necrolord fanboy since 9.1
mighty cairn
are there separate entires in logs for outburst ss/tc vs normal
or other ways to see outbrust procs spent
chrome falcon
i have orange logs on everything apart from xymox where i died
going to go full degen and try to sweep rank 1s this wednesday
might go boost mode and yoink some PIs
strong forum
Jakey has R1 on pretty much everything but he's private logging so it doesn't show
Sense beat him on anduin tho
By quite a bit
chrome falcon
i was like 1k over sense on our 1% wipe
fucking ranged getting killed by walls in intermission
and our boomie dumping the end of his burst into anduin instead of LK
does anyone know how the jailer tank mechanic in p3 works
does the giant physical dot go away after you break all the chains?
jagged pier
Sense beat him on anduin tho
And lord was rank 2 on lords
strong forum
Scrub
jagged pier
☝️
dapper swift
Hi all. Quick question. for GV are we prioritizing highest Ilvl m+ items over lower ilvl tier? I have a 252 tier piece and much higher choices 270's ilvl to choose from for m+. thanks
chrome falcon
tier >>>>>>>>>>>> ilvl
west walrus
That makes Sense
chrome falcon
actually i probably need to add more > to that
but if you're going to be killing bosses that could drop that tier tonight
you can wait and see if you get it as a drop
dapper swift
Ok should we be equipping lower ilvl tier over higher ilvl gear if we alread yhave it on?
chrome falcon
tier >>>>>>>>> ilvl
chrome falcon
you would wear 4 lfr tier pieces over 4 mythic non tier pieces
dapper swift
fair. appreciate u
sweet summit
bout to deplete a 21 gambit
tropic linden
DoS is wild with Wo skips, pretty fun stuff
ionic fern
bout to deplete a 21 gambit <:seramore:917663298869145640>
Stream
wild rampart
<@!199999654815989761> How'd that trial go?
I got in 😛
chilly brook
I got in 😛
ayyyy let's goooooo
ionic fern
In where?
wild rampart
dude, you cannot make it so easy for me 😄
ionic fern
wild rampart
i am holding myself back so hard right now\
wild rampart
thanks
couldn't have done it without you and the nerds in skyhold teaching me prot, so if anything, gratz to all of us and skol! Everyone drink! Mwahi's paying!
🍻
sweet summit
depleted after 1st boss because we killed haste and not cdr !!!!
wild rampart
depleted after 1st boss because we killed haste and not cdr !!!!
aw man 😦 I know the feeling, depleted plenty of 11s as well 😢
sweet summit
ionic fern
couldn't have done it without you and the nerds in skyhold teaching me prot, so ...
Wait, what?
wild rampart
Wait, what?
what what?
Remember how I was telling you I was gonna main prot this tier? Well, I had to be trialed as prot first, and I passed, and it's because I can play prot decently, cuz you coached me, and I got a lot of help in Skyhold? Why you gotta make me say it man :))))
strong forum
hes shy
wild rampart
It was the "Mwahi's paying!" part.
oh, that's pretty straight forward
blazing condor
He’s shy on money
wild rampart
you are applying as fury right?
strong forum
they saw it last season in mdi
wild rampart
oh, they must be trolls then
strong forum
thats why
ionic fern
oh, they must be trolls then
True.
wild rampart
hey man, stream yo key
strong forum
hey nice cloak
waxen orbit
CRIT/MAST CLOAK
waxen orbit
strong forum
dont hurt yourself!
wild hemlock
same thwump. no tier for me baby
chilly brook
I mean like prolly egoing but
mighty valley
i guess the meta brains haven't caught up with the season
chilly brook
I know I'll out DPS anyone they invite
waxen orbit
That's yall fault for thinking anyone using LFG is actually going to understand how the game works
mighty valley
i'm having a happier time just doing guild runs which inevitably end up all-melee
including melee healer
storming ruled
chilly brook
I'm never on when the guild groups do their keys
And when I am, it's usually the struggle bus groups
jagged pier
Actually got accepted to a +16 mists
Desperste weekly no leavers
waxen orbit
Okay I'm just taking fucking
Bells
Because if I have to take another piece of mastery gear and break 300 mastery
I'm rerolling
chilly brook
Because if I have to take another piece of mastery gear and break 300 mastery
just take ilvl
mighty valley
any 278 piece can turn into tier later
and be strong now
though who knows, there might be trinket tuning
and you'll be happy to have bells
lime urchin
ring my bells
waxen orbit
It sims really high
jagged pier
Taking sims at face value :/
Member in season 1 when everyone stacked mastery cause we had arms deep wounds on our sims
I memeber
strong forum
Member in season 1 when everyone stacked mastery cause we had arms deep wounds o...
AND I || mwahi and melekus || FIXED IT
waxen orbit
just take ilvl
Too late already took Bells
It’s ight I’ll get a cloak next week for sure
I’ll run another 24 keys and then get the exact same crit/mast cloak
I’m living in a simulation
ionic fern
Desperste weekly no leavers
I'm a chad, timed it.
strong forum
hard solo carry
tropic linden
Did halls 10 yesterday. played like a big potato but still timed it.
Need to learn to interrupt more
craggy pilot
anyone know what they mean when they say "bucket" in liquid RWF?
chrome falcon
duplicate characters who are there to increase the chances of lucky great vault/split loot
craggy pilot
so a character that can trade Shoulder Tier fx?
chrome falcon
yup
if one of your buckets get tier shoulders from vault, it can potentially trade tier shoulders to someone elses' main
or that bucket could become your main
gentle tulip
Just had a question about prot warrior tanks. Is the t5 4-piece set bonus with the haste bonus proc really good for threat or is there a better option thats good to get? I will probably never have arena rating to get the good gear, so weighing my options...
playing in classic TBC obviously
ionic nimbus
Just had a question about prot warrior tanks. Is the t5 4-piece set bonus with t...
I assume you are talking about TBCC, 4-set-boni T5 is very strong for threat, more haste means more attacks, which results in more HS, so a lot more aggro
gentle tulip
I assume you are talking about TBCC, 4-set-boni T5 is very strong for threat, mo...
is that only for multiple targets or single target though? I had a huge debate earlier about what was best for threat gear, and im still agreeing that the t5 set bonus is king for now, but people are comparing warriors that have realm first kills etc, so im in-between a rock and a hard place getting them to be convinced lol
i know that haste bonus is just a proc or chance when getting hit, which turns people away usually on that kinda proc chance, but i still think it will be better than wearing pvp gear as a prot warrior tank
blazing condor
Just had a question about prot warrior tanks. Is the t5 4-piece set bonus with t...
mellow bridge
i dont think too many people in here play classic
there's a different warrior discord for it, probably better to ask in there
gentle tulip
i dont think too many people in here play classic
yeah, couldnt find any legit links for that, thats why i came here LOL, any chance you gotta link?>
gentle tulip
Why are we talking about TbC in prot
there was a debate whether the t5 is better than wearing pvp gear for tanking and pulling threat.. thats all lol
jagged pier
there is literally #mop-discussion i believe it also says these are all retail channels
the tbc and classic discord is in the pins of the tbc channel
gentle tulip
yeah sorry, just gonna copy paste this discussion there byeeeeeee
craggy pilot
in anduin, everyone has to be in barrier right?
has nothing to do with Shadow Word?
mighty valley
you can step out if you think you'll literally die otherwise
blood dk's don't enjoy being in there
craggy pilot
if you die from it, that means the barrier is popping too fast
mighty valley
i mean, it's a healing absorb
chilly brook
So I'm not saying I'm a genius
But this is two expansions in a row where the tank I made a decision on intending to play for the upcoming expansion despite guildies questioning me has become the meta tank
waxen orbit
Thought I hit the windows key oops
mighty valley
But this is two expansions in a row where the tank I made a decision on intendin...
If you're not a genius then guildies are stupid
Or both!
chilly brook
If you're not a genius then guildies are stupid
More like I'm stupid for caving and not playing paladin
mighty valley
Everyone can be stupid
chilly brook
and I'm fury main now
jagged pier
well its nerfed
mighty valley
it's gone from ~5% of my damage to more like 3ish on raid fights
although that's just a 252
deft hinge
More like I'm stupid for caving and not playing paladin
i’ve been prot since lvl 36 in stranglethorn vale back in 04. i’ve leveled up in def stance and played all exp until now not caring about meta. leveling up in defensive stance was really stupid, but sticking to prot is my one and only. its prot warrior or no wow at all for me
chilly brook
i’ve been prot since lvl 36 in stranglethorn vale back in 04. i’ve leveled up in...
I'm not a meta boi
If I was I would've just rerolled in SoD
jagged pier
BUT THEN I'M NOT PARSING WITH 2P
just parse without it
chilly brook
but I ended up sticking with woyer
jagged pier
🤷
chilly brook
It's just more or less me laughing about the fact that I should just play what I want
And finding it amusing that that choice ended up being the "meta" pick for 2 expacs now
mighty valley
everyone always wrong, meta always shift through expac, always pick what you think is hot and cool
mighty valley
always pick what griff thinks is hot and cool
chilly brook
if only my logs were public
RIP
Jakeys logs too good for us mortals to bear witness to tbh
jagged pier
whats top artificer logs right now?
obsidian valve
6 total parses for prot warr
cinder nova
kek
obsidian valve
mighty valley
This might be decently representative, although sample small enough that stuff like "who has tier" is making a big difference
in any case
Not The Worst 🥳
strong forum
dw soon dmg meter will look a little different
distant crystal
yeah but how about the rage generation meter
strong forum
with bear bdk pally destroying
and vdh bear absolutely DOMINATING aoe fights
once everybody has everything
chilly brook
Honestly idk how people can’t hold aggro as a blood dk
I was doing some 13s as a 239 blood boi
And wasn’t losing aggro to a 260 fury warrior
mighty valley
i'm not a blood expert but they're less bursty than some i guess
so if dps has absolutely no restraint they might struggle to get back on top
urban portal
without slapping hands its quite hard
if you dont have bone shield up from previous pull you gotta build that first
strong forum
Honestly idk how people can’t hold aggro as a blood dk
had a good fury then, waiting 17 globals for bdk to get threat
cuz an actual dmg dealing fury can rip off of any tank
urban portal
you dont have aoe until you press heart strike
chilly brook
you dont have aoe until you press heart strike
Not really true
You have swarming mist and bonestorm for every pack
Both 1m Cd
dull owl
The secret to pulling treat off of a blood dk is exploit thier slow movement speed. As fury you mount up run infront of them leap to the next pack (make sure to pop your potion). Burst and profit!
urban portal
i mean if you are going high you are gonna run purgatory
urban portal
i mean yeah
but im saying in general
and swarming mists isnt exactly huge dam
thats why i say you need abom limb
strong forum
New bdk tech is bonestorm
To offset the absolute overload of runic power
With new tier hotfix
And haste stacking
urban portal
i see
chilly brook
echo stream turning into shadowlands prot channel
did someone bring it up on stream?
dark lark
wtf is happening
mighty valley
jagged pier
they just filling out vaults so it catJAM and ratJAM time
production on the echo stream have been on point i must admit
anyway time for 
and disappointment in the morning
strong forum
Okay it'll be xymox trinket
jagged pier
😢
i mean probs not even gunna pick till after raid
could get tier piece in raid
actually thats kind of nah towards ppl in the raid
will ahve to thinking about that
strong forum
Yah, picking vault before finishing heroic and normal is inting
Unless it's dogshit vault
sweet summit
me
blazing condor
one day we will have :nomeratur:
strong forum
I think I'll resign my role before that
I only haven't resigned it cuz I still talk in here a fair bit
strong forum
🤎
mighty valley
did you do the fight last patch at all
mighty valley
sometime you have to call out colors
otherwise it's just point him away from everyone
gather up/interrupt adds
craggy pilot
how do you easily call out the colors?
mighty cairn
theres a weakaura for console but just 1 person needs it
craggy pilot
WA or something?
mighty cairn
mighty valley
idk i just talk to people
craggy pilot
theres a weakaura for console but just 1 person needs it
is it always the tank?
mighty cairn
no usually someone just volunteers
i just say at the beginning of key im doing console
mighty valley
makes no difference who does it since it's not a dps phase
mighty cairn
and then you press the button for each rune color and hit send
mighty valley
just not the healer ideally
craggy pilot
ok thx
scenic mural
Tier chest out of vault , its a great day
craggy pilot
is it next week we can get 2 lego?
pallid musk
I really dislike to tank S3 as protection
No good bouns and nothing self heal when bosses in tyrannical week is more harder than ever
Yes I got 2pc but it’s kinda low bonus
Ideally reduce 30 rage to 20 rage for each stack of outburst make it more complete with other classes.
lofty widget
is it next week we can get 2 lego?
week after
craggy pilot
ok ty
chrome falcon
outburst at 20 rage would be completely broken
lofty widget
well next week if youre NA i guess
chrome falcon
you don't need self heal when you have Literally One Million Fucking Rage at all times
sweet summit
outburst already stacks pretty fast
sweet summit
i don't think you need to change it
chrome falcon
just get the 4 piece and you will see that it's a really good set
lofty widget
isnt it just compared to other tank sets that it's kinda bad?
set in itself looks very fun
chrome falcon
yeah i mean it's not completely fuck off ridiculous broken like monk
sweet summit
kinda yea
chilly brook
just vanilla
chrome falcon
but that's not the set's fault
sweet summit
it's a well designed bonus
chrome falcon
it doesn't need to be good compared to other tanks, it needs to be good compared to the thing you're getting hit by
lofty widget
300 % bonus? pog
woven lance
Anyone know any top m+ prot warriors who streams or makes youtube videos?
sweet summit
tattman streams i think
not sure if there is any youtube creators other than sense, but he doesn't really push keys
sweet summit
is that a tier helmet?
old flame
it is indeed teir hat
sweet summit
what tier pieces do you already have