imagine playing wow because of the BFA BG battle royal garbage they added
#protection
modern brook
waxen orbit
Sounds like a fair trade to me
sinful nova
@modern brook Thanks dude! thanks @mellow bridge too! I was checking the towering success one but it was in the overwhelming that you linked
modern brook
yeh i linked the wrong one
my b
A Tour of Towers is what i was trying to link
which is each unique quest
Tower Overwhelming is every spec
waxen orbit
Lowkey wish they added a new tint for the OG mage tower artifact appearance for those who completed it back in Legion and now
modern brook
https://ptr.wowhead.com/achievement=15310/a-tour-of-towers#comments which for anyone who wnats/ cares also has a script in the comments for tracking
waxen orbit
Shit would have been dope
sinful nova
Tower Overwhelming is _every_ spec
yep, gonna be a fun ride O_O
modern brook
but legion artifacts are already cool enough always down for more mogs though
waxen orbit
I mean imagine a black Legionbreaker flail with a black shield that spits out purple flames
That tint would’ve been fucking great
modern brook
smh u are 12
waxen orbit
🤷♂️
waxen orbit
BRUH
modern brook
hes like the equivlent of the "shoulda been born in the 80s" kids
waxen orbit
Oh fuck no, those people are a scourge
modern brook
shoulda been born in late naught emo wave
sick sentinel
back in the 80s if u wanted to see boobs u had to see them in real life
brittle owl
wrong
sick sentinel
things was different
brittle owl
smut mags
sick sentinel
u still had to get them off someone or be of age and then physically get them
if u went to store without cash u were SOL
waxen orbit
u still had to get them off someone or be of age and then physically get them
Get the boobs off someone? 🤔🤨
modern brook
Get the boobs off someone? 🤔🤨
the 80s were rough man
sick sentinel
mags or tapes or whatever im trying to avoid that whole topic
waxen orbit
Just type 80085 in your calculator
modern brook
453333333333333333333333333345
sick sentinel
but like, if u wanted to play with ur friend in the 80's u had to know where he was and then go to that location and speak to him and whatever
couldn't just call ppl up or text message
agile pumice
( . Y . )
sick sentinel
BOOBA, okay i'll stop
runic tree
is there any way to get rid of this annoying intervene retargeting after failed attempt to use it?
modern brook
is there any way to get rid of this annoying intervene retargeting after failed ...
are you using mouse overs?
runic tree
ye
modern brook
just mouse over the unit frame
sick sentinel
9.2 brings macroless mouse overs
modern brook
never fail
sick sentinel
keep that in mind
blazing condor
9.2 
sick sentinel
and that, selecting party member fame works best, set a focus target for raids since you will have so many people and make sure he is aware of what you are doing
modern brook
never fail
i believe you can add like [@noharm] shit to help deal with that but tbh never had the issue you're describing so unfortunately cannot give better advice 😦
sick sentinel
if you can create a video showing the issue someone can help much easier if its too difficult to describe, tells them infinite amounts of stuff about how they can further help you
blazing condor
didnt press my shield wall
modern brook
ooooooooof that feels bad
blazing condor
couldnt get it off in time
modern brook
did u have leap?
blazing condor
tru
modern brook
throw weapon intensifies
blazing condor
i may be stupid
slim pier
anyone got a good guide for the MT?
modern brook
modern brook
mellow bridge
brittle owl
dim wharf
I just started playing warrior and learning to tank. Anyone have any tips or help explain rotation?
blazing condor
but the fucking dh solod the last %
thats so embarrassing
that p2 was honestly so fucking scuffed
not proud considering it took like 50 attempts to do it but glad its over
strong forum
I just started playing warrior and learning to tank. Anyone have any tips or hel...
Id suggest the #268491842637660160 for prot first
For more specific stuff feel free to ask here
blazing condor
we do take those
strong forum
Take it boi
blazing condor
i even got it on vid for you all to laugh at 🙂
dim wharf
oh ok! thank you so much!
strong forum
Ofc 
brittle owl
ez one shot
blazing condor
without any strafing either 😎
uncut juniper
Go get'em @candid path! 🙌
blazing condor
bruh im looking at the kill velen literally survived with like 1 hp
and i was already dead
deft vortex
That article needs to drive home more how awkward it is to play the set right now. The amount of times I wasted a burst stack to thunderclap cause of rotation. Sitting there auto'ing waiting for a shield slam feels so god aweful
waxen orbit
It’s genuinely such a shitty designed set that I wouldn’t be surprised if whoever designed it never touched prot warrior
sweet summit
pog
blazing condor
idk this version of mage tower is easy 4 me but i have severe psychosis and whenever i play wow i just sort of zone out like im not in my body and im just playing my character on auto pilot or something dodging mechanics and doing big dam its pretty crazy but thats just who i am
mellow bridge
Had to learn Retri for this one
blazing condor
all i gotta say now
modern brook
idk this version of mage tower is easy 4 me but i have severe psychosis and when...
Gz on the kill
blazing condor
thanks 
sweet summit
did u actually do it
modern brook
No faith erga
sweet summit
proof or it didn't happen
sweet summit
LETSGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
modern brook
Firmly in the w
waxen orbit
Gonna be real
I’d take this 2 set idea I just came up with while high over the current 2 set
“Increase the damage of your shield slam by 20% for every consecutive revenge cast before it”
blazing condor
4 set - gain 5 stacks immediately every 15th revenge 
waxen orbit
and when you pop avatar*
modern brook
Smh set needs to be redone
2pc should be current 4 pc, 4pc should be every 8 stacks of out burst you can execute at any % for bonus damage
waxen orbit
“2 set - [Outburst] Increase the damage of your shield slam by 20% for every consecutive revenge cast before it. Maximum of 5 stacks
4 set - Avatar now increases your damage done by 30% instead of 20%, and reduces your damage taken by 10%. Using avatar will immediately grant you 5 stacks of [Outburst] — as will every 15th revenge.”
There
I just redesigned it in a matter of minutes, which is more than the dev who designed the current tier set can say (spoiler: they designed it in 15 seconds)
waxen orbit
2pc should be current 4 pc, 4pc should be every 8 stacks of out burst you can ex...
Y e s
chilly brook
“2 set - [Outburst] Increase the damage of your shield slam by 20% for every con...
How am I supposed to ever get to 5 stacks
waxen orbit
M+
chilly brook
Brother you're gonna reset shield slam before 5 stacks
waxen orbit
Still a better bonus than what we currently have
chilly brook
It's not that long of a CD nor is it that rare of a reset
waxen orbit
Like I said; I reimagined it in a few minutes so there are definitely some inherent kinks
However, I’m of the belief that it’s less clunky than how the current one plays
chilly brook
Tbh current set is fine if they fix the problems
I.e. holding avatar, and buff being consumes by IP if cast before you have 8 stacks
Removal of TC/IP from the buff table would just be icing on the cake
inland raft
Remove the interaction with ip and tc, make ir so can build atacks past 8, and also casting shield slam also applies ignore pain at 50% effectiveness
lime urchin
I would like to see some community created prot warr tier set bonuses
chilly brook
I would like to see some community created prot warr tier set bonuses
Just copy Antorus set
Avatar makes shield slam have no CD
inland raft
On bright side we need a rework and the ones they’ve reworked so far are over performing now seems having weak initial build was the play
Arms is op now, brm monk is op now, etc
waxen orbit
But how do we know they’ll actually rework us
waxen orbit
And not just leave prot untended like they have 95% of the game’s lifespan
inland raft
Even if we worse tank on paper we will be fine
Prot is the og babe all other tanks are just side pieces to me
modern brook
Tbh current set is fine if they fix the problems
its zzzzzzzzzzz if they fix the problems
& specifically remove the ip/tc integration
outburst is interesting cause you can choose the bonus
the problem with the set is that there is no choice
theres what you should od
and a bunch of traps
if they remove that choice the set is ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
inland raft
Eh the “choice” isnt a choice so just remove it
modern brook
alos note: that choice is stupid and shouldnt be a set bonus
chilly brook
Going into legion "prot is dead it's so bad"
Going into BFA "prot is dead it's so bad"
Going into SL: "prot is so bad it's a dead spec"
inland raft
So dont have to actively not press things trying to play it right
chilly brook
the problem with the set is that there is no choice
Anything that offers a "choice" like this isn't a choice
Never has been
blazing condor
going into a wall: ouch
chilly brook
Something always maths out to be better
modern brook
sure
chilly brook
I.e. legion Blackout Combo
modern brook
but the tclap should math out to be better ina oe
strong forum
Going into legion "prot is dead it's so bad"
Going into BFA "prot is dead it's so bad"
Going into SL: "prot is so bad it's a dead spec"
modern brook
ip sohuld math out to be better in a defensive scenario
chilly brook
modern brook
honestly true tho
blazing condor
honestly its gonna be ass playing without rep 
strong forum
Reprisal is too strong not to miss it
chilly brook
Calling it
They'll just buff our passive armor by another 50%
strong forum
But ngl, I didn't notice not having it in MT
chilly brook
strong forum
Besides SB uptime
Tbhlad
MT just hurt seeing that spear CD ready and 5 targets, but not able to use spear
That hurt way more
modern brook
lmao
inland raft
Sb baseline and sb just improves chance to critically block, make gameplay even more dumbed down
modern brook
yeah
blazing condor
i didnt play for 3 months then all i did getting back was MT
i wont be able to do SL content now
strong forum
No you've grown
modern brook
i went into sylv prog after 2 hours of MT
strong forum
You got +1337 skill
blazing condor
its been an incredibly humbling experience
however
i still retain that it was ass with movement
i think i lost most just to getting knocked off n shit
strong forum
That's usually how it goes yea
blazing condor
so that means im still actually super great and awesome
strong forum
You rarely die to losing HP
modern brook
yeah its usually velen or knocks
blazing condor
100*
strong forum
12
modern brook
(edited)
blazing condor
how many it took in legion?
jagged pier
alot
strong forum
160 for me
jagged pier
around nomes number
modern brook
i 2 shot prot warrior 😎
blazing condor
lmao git gud scrubs 😎
modern brook
(after antorus set)
inland raft
idk this version of mage tower is easy 4 me but i have severe psychosis and whenever i play wow i just sort of zone out like im not in my body and im just playing my character on auto pilot or something dodging mechanics and doing big dam its pretty crazy but thats just who i am
strong forum
I was below recommended ilvl tho
blazing condor
sweet summit
idk this version of mage tower is easy 4 me but i have severe psychosis and whenever i play wow i just sort of zone out like im not in my body and im just playing my character on auto pilot or something dodging mechanics and doing big dam its pretty crazy but thats just who i am
chilly brook
I think it was 115 for me in Legion
jagged pier
same
modern brook
idk this version of mage tower is easy 4 me but i have severe psychosis and whenever i play wow i just sort of zone out like im not in my body and im just playing my character on auto pilot or something dodging mechanics and doing big dam its pretty crazy but thats just who i am
chilly brook
But I was like 900ilvl with shield slam gloves and no mannoroths and no set bonuses
wild hemlock
pray they fix our tier set this week
strong forum
Doubt
wild hemlock
its literally painful seeing the brewmaster one
chilly brook
We're not seeing this for another 3 months I'd wager
blazing condor
wild hemlock
also. brew will get nerfed
chilly brook
Go do mage tower on alts
wild hemlock
0 percent chance it goes live like that
strong forum
Do all 36
chilly brook
Dont worry about PTR sets
strong forum
Now
wild hemlock
how much vers i need for +15?
every piece
cinder pasture
50% at least
sweet summit
4
strong forum
1337
chilly brook
Do you guys run Versatile 8? Or should I go Versatile 6 with Inneffible Truth 2?
blazing condor
go full dex and just r1 spam
sweet summit
what if my pokedex is already full
blazing condor
gotta have a living dex, both male and female + shiny versions
best IV/EV
only then can you find Mew under the truck
cinder pasture
gotta have a living dex, both male and female + shiny versions
sweet summit
not even capital g?
blazing condor
nope he's not pretentious
chilly brook
I don't remember who it was but I remember some dude arguing about versatile being better than TD in 15s because it meant the healer didn't need to heal him and could just dps or some nonsense
Oh man some of the cursed messages from back then
"Versatile has the potential to be more damage per corruption than TD"
strong forum
:)
If TD was 50% of your dmg, you can make up that dmg with just vers corruption and get even more than 70% vers
:)
Because that's how math works 😎
chilly brook
"Nah you're only looking at part of the story vers let's you scale pulls far more than TD"
blazing condor
no
chilly brook
I don't miss that system
strong forum
If you don't think there's too many mechanics going in MT you're apparently delusional
strong forum
Oh he's mythic alright
strong forum
F
modern brook
If you don't think there's too many mechanics going in MT you're apparently delu...
idk this version of mage tower is easy 4 me but i have severe psychosis and whenever i play wow i just sort of zone out like im not in my body and im just playing my character on auto pilot or something dodging mechanics and doing big dam its pretty crazy but thats just who i am
blazing condor
idk this version of mage tower is easy 4 me but i have severe psychosis and whenever i play wow i just sort of zone out like im not in my body and im just playing my character on auto pilot or something dodging mechanics and doing big dam its pretty crazy but thats just who i am
blazing condor
a whole teldrassil
sick sentinel
strong forum
A whole ass teldrassil frfr
chilly brook
Can't wait to be disappointed with my one 252 item on my 213 blood dk
jagged pier
HOT TAKE GUYS, i pay a sub so im entilted to the bear skin
And any tmog from MT
Or they should just add a casual mode for casuals like me ok
chilly brook
literally me
This was me in Legion on the healing MT
sweet summit
who tf is kor'vas
chilly brook
I died and the NPCs carried the last like .2%
blazing condor
the dh that KS'd kruul for me
jagged pier
So i dont need to worry about consomes and gear and numbers
blazing condor
what consumes did yall use btw?
modern brook
A whole ass teldrassil frfr
lmao
modern brook
what consumes did yall use btw?
only old world gimmick i used was legion rings, and hoa +cape
wild hemlock
Can't wait to be disappointed with my one 252 item on my 213 blood dk
you should already be disapointed playing blood dk lol
TBF i love my blood dk but it is kinda dissapointing lmao
jagged pier
Not gunna lie i logged on my dk to get it to the broke shore, it didnt even make it out of org i hate bdk so much
modern brook
I want to like DK
blazing condor
jakey crip confirmed
modern brook
all 3 specs are like conceptually cool
wild hemlock
its incredibly fun playstyle wise. just very underwhelming
modern brook
and then you play them and you're just like this is fucking stupid
(tl: im bad at dk)
wild hemlock
like you damn near need to use scale on pull to get agro of packs lmao.
chilly brook
you should already be disapointed playing blood dk lol
It's fun enough, I like living on the edge
sick sentinel
all they have to do is make the game not so buggy and actual semi balanced while keep things unique to each
modern brook
griff matt master edger
wild hemlock
all they have to do is make the game not so buggy and actual semi balanced while...
who
gaunt dawn
wild hemlock
The gane is insanely balanced right now
thats what i was also confused about
safe tundra
Unbridleds are actually huge damage
sick sentinel
thankfully i finally got a 242 scale, still want something better than meat hook automatic
blazing condor
safe tundra
If you are having trouble or want to meme a dps check they’re pretty big, crusader as well. I meme’d the pally one
chilly brook
griff matt master edger
I'll masterfully edge you
strong forum
modern brook
how long has been an emote
strong forum
a few months
modern brook
never even seen it
mellow bridge
man
all the DG talk made me join it now finally
I am disappointed to not immediately see any copium in there
strong forum
yeah it suddenly got humane
mellow bridge
this isn't what I was promised
strong forum
yeah thats where i spilled my pickles
chilly brook
yeah thats where i spilled my pickles
I'm going to tag him with the copy pasta
modern brook
parrygodx is a fucking FIRE tag
teal swift
Even if he's an ass. Bullying is scummy as fuck especially so publically.
teal swift
Semantics. It's still garbage.
mellow bridge
Cant say that I care
mellow bridge
When you insult people publically on a discord you lose any right to not get make fun off
I dont make fun of people that dont do that
chilly brook
I changed my name to be more fitting
mellow bridge
a shit
chilly brook
Even if he's an ass. Bullying is scummy as fuck especially so publically.
Am I being an ass? Sure, did he invite it? Yes. Does that excuse me? No
mellow bridge
that's gonna get a reaction at some point
strong forum
lets hope it doesnt get infected
blazing condor
class discord warfare 
chilly brook
Who didn't?
modern brook
🙋♂️
modern brook
wow time bro
time out
I know i wrote that as "Wow-time bro" but i read it as
"wow, Time-bro"
in case ur curious how down bad i am
mellow bridge
📸
blazing condor
🤨 📸
modern brook
tardy sequoia
Guys sorry for the maybe stupid question, but can someone explain me why on wowhead Llarold advises to run heavy ripercussions?
mellow bridge
where does he do that
chilly brook
I was gonna make a disparaging comment about his profile picture but decided against it
modern brook
I think he goes into it in the discussion on the talent row
blazing condor
griff ur pfp is MF Doom but in the 1500s
tardy sequoia
where does he do that
on the Mythic + section of the wowhead prot warr website
blazing condor
no its MF Doom but in the 1500s
mellow bridge
Well
blazing condor
on the Mythic + section of the wowhead prot warr website
you run HR in the top top keys
maybe thats why but idk
mellow bridge
he explains why right under the talents
blazing condor
it is
mellow bridge
AM is top tier offensively and for SW cd
blazing condor
do you push the very top keys? no? then run AM
mellow bridge
HR is better in combination with reprisal to get close to 100% block uptime
modern brook
he suggests Hrep becuase it is an execelent defensive choice for pushing keys, and performs extreemly well on fortifieid weeks. it sacrifices the burst daamge that AM provides, but makes 100% uptime on block easily attainable
tardy sequoia
i'm pushing TOP keys for me
mellow bridge
HR is easier to play than AM
blazing condor
dont matter
mellow bridge
and more defensive
tardy sequoia
not for everyone of course
modern brook
I mean lets be clear
tardy sequoia
so in the end on fortified HR or AM?
blazing condor
you shouldn't need HR in any key below 25
tardy sequoia
im doing 20s atm
blazing condor
run AM
mellow bridge
so in the end on fortified HR or AM?
do you need more shield block uptime to survive
mellow bridge
that's literally it
chilly brook
im doing 20s atm
No need for HR in 20
I've timed a few 20s without actually tanking 20s before and never felt like I needed it
tardy sequoia
cause I sent a log some days ago and in the end someone made me notice my SB uptime was low, with mitigation as low as 67%
mellow bridge
Personally I started using HR in 24/25s before I stopped pushing cuz it felt wasted below that
but your mileage may vary
blazing condor
if you need HR to not die in 20s (which wont happen because HR doesnt do that big of a difference), then you need to work on your playing cus you're playing improperly
play AM and l2p instead 🙂
mellow bridge
cause I sent a log some days ago and in the end someone made me notice my SB upt...
youre using reprisal?
modern brook
cause I sent a log some days ago and in the end someone made me notice my SB upt...
if you have a log i can look at it no problem
tardy sequoia
yes
mellow bridge
Then you need to improve on that
modern brook
videos are generally prefered for M+ stuff
mellow bridge
HR wont fix that glaring issue
tardy sequoia
i think it was you bullfango
chilly brook
cause I sent a log some days ago and in the end someone made me notice my SB upt...
Yes so why bandaid with a talent when you could fix the problem you already know you have
mellow bridge
without HR and no extended amount of kiting you should still be able to get like 80-85% blocked hits
chilly brook
But it's not going to massively solve a glaring issue like that
modern brook
oh i remember this one
tardy sequoia
oh i remember this one
XD
mellow bridge
yeah you only blocked 50% of melee hits
modern brook
i saw 47 second manastorm pull and it all came back to me
mellow bridge
HR aint helping you
mellow bridge
you are just not pressing SB/intervene/charge enough
tardy sequoia
sometimes I dont have rage up for shield block
modern brook
log a newer key and we cna talk :^)
tardy sequoia
log a newer key and we cna talk :^)
OK i'll record one on Fort because on Tyr I don't really have problems
mellow bridge
sometimes I dont have rage up for shield block
that goes back to probably not pressing your buttons enough
sick sentinel
what if it turns out most of the players that say they have problems is mostly problems i have
chilly brook
sometimes I dont have rage up for shield block
Don't go under 40 rage
mellow bridge
and that
chilly brook
Don't go over 90 rage
sick sentinel
not in proper position, so can't do dps and interupts and still keep up DR
tardy sequoia
Don't go under 40 rage
I overcast revenge or IP maybe
mellow bridge
if you see your SB is running out soon, dont go below the amount you need to cast it 🤷♂️
chilly brook
^
modern brook
OK i'll record one on Fort because on Tyr I don't really have problems
any issues you're having on fort you're probably having on tyr, you're just not being punished for
azure tusk
I don't raid mythic. Is there any useful prot stuff in Timewalking?
chilly brook
Melee ring?
sick sentinel
theres a crit trinket but its meh
chilly brook
Free damage
modern brook
I don't raid mythic. Is there any useful prot stuff in Timewalking?
nothing worth farming
mellow bridge
whetstone is big dam tbh
modern brook
nerfed
chilly brook
Whetstone nerfed
mellow bridge
even better than before under 11 targets
mellow bridge
depends on which one we get
either it's better under 7 or 11
depending on if we're getting dmg sqr or hardcapped
(from WW discord)
chilly brook
Yea but DK discord already said that's wrong maff
chilly brook
Ye
modern brook
its assuming a linear gain
modern brook
monk discord and wrong math, name a better duo
erga and a smile 🙂
blazing condor
thats a trio he's a paranoid schizophrenic
chilly brook
got a link or w/e?
Idk how to create a thread link on mobile
But unholy-main has all the discussion
modern brook
Idk how to create a thread link on mobile
ucant 😦
credit: some outlaw rogue idk
but this is post nerf numbers
chilly brook
It's been all about the trinket splitting since like 7:30 this morning
modern brook
"its dog shit now" == basically on par with phial ina given key
ie: good, not worth farming
chilly brook
mighty valley
i'm gonna save myself the pain and not care about farming single items from a limited time event
especially when the evidence is one person saying "i made a graff" and another guy saying "nah"
chilly brook
It's all a little too maffy for me
chilly brook
especially when the evidence is one person saying "i made a graff" and another g...
Unholy discord made their own graphs
And are actively testing
mighty valley
graph vs. graph warfare
chilly brook
It's not just a "nah"
modern brook
especially when the evidence is one person saying "i made a graff" and another g...
i mean mines a screens hot from a key ran like ~20 minutes ago
mighty valley
fair enough, you linked a "nah" so i joked
modern brook
unrelated
chilly brook
modern brook
shout outs to the UDK "whats square capped, im bad at geometry"
thats the homie right there
chilly brook
thats the homie right there
That was a monk lol
modern brook
poor monk
blazing condor
man's using google docs math tool
chilly brook
Anyways it's all over my head and they're not quite sure how the trinket actually scales at the moment it looks like
I play with cameras for a living not maffs
mighty valley
bull's got the most relevant data - basically a phial in a random key
but i've also got a graph of how much pain i feel per run where it doesn't drop
it goes up, a lot
so
blazing condor
ok now that ive done MT wtf do i do
mighty valley
play world of warcraft, or don't
blazing condor
modern brook
ok now that ive done MT wtf do i do
send money to Bullfango-Thrall
blazing condor
bet
chilly brook
You got that mythic sylvie kill?
chilly brook
Ah noice
I'm on that p3 prog
Well p3 prog if we get there consistently anyways
Gotta love a phase that you basically only get to prog on if everyone doesnt fuck up for 10 minutes
mighty valley
sylvanas was a cool boss to one-shot on normal
beyond that... not one of my all time faves
kinda wish they could figure out how to cut out "cinematic phases" from real difficulties
blazing condor
yeah progging sylv is ass
p1 isn't exactly hard
p2 is easy to do once you get it
p3 you just gotta plya for 10 mins to even get to
mighty valley
also you can get away with bad vo lines way easier if you don't force people to hear them dozens of times lol
chilly brook
yeah progging sylv is ass
I don't think p1 or 2 are even difficult but somehow people still die to rive or other things in p2
mighty valley
if i have to hear thrall yell "my defenses falter!!!" one more time
chilly brook
if i have to hear thrall yell "my defenses falter!!!" one more time
"FALL heroes"
blazing condor
"CHAMPIONS! WITH ME! *jumps 200 feet"
mighty valley
going to Old Navy for the Fall Heroes collection
chilly brook
sweet summit
myth sylv would be a good fight if p2 didnt exist imo
and p1 
inland raft
Honestly shortened p1 that occurs on central platform that she covers in black shit that then moves directly to p3 would be much better
But have to have a 15 minute movie for lead storywriters love interest fight
mellow bridge
I dont mind p1 too much
inland raft
A shorter but more interesting fight would have been cooler
Could even have added something related to each covenant on their respective platforms too
weak hedge
Hello im new to war, as i was learning someone told me that ravager increase parry but i coudn't see it written anywhere is it true ?
mighty valley
It used to
weak hedge
but not anymore then ?
inland raft
No still general go to talent outside raid though
mighty valley
Yeah it's just damage and rage gen... but it's very good at that for aoe
weak hedge
okay thanks 😄
modern brook
Gotta love a phase that you basically only get to prog on if everyone doesnt fuc...
Yeah we're struggling to get through intermission
inland raft
idk this version of mage tower is easy 4 me but i have severe psychosis and whenever i play wow i just sort of zone out like im not in my body and im just playing my character on auto pilot or something dodging mechanics and doing big dam its pretty crazy but thats just who i am
Gz
modern brook
It looks like some people didn't have the arrows wa and were carrying like 7 to 8 stacks of arrow into the intermission lmao
modern brook
Glglglgl
modern brook
healing one is the hardest one right ?
I just assumed healers were the worst at the game
modern brook
I trust literally nothing about what people have to say a out mt
prime kayak
the 2 knives + mage and pack after that felt so horrible
prime kayak
Holy pal pretty easy though
yeah i heard that too wish i had one
decent geared lvl 54 druid and shit geared 50 monk
inland raft
Just dont do hpriest from what ive heard that one is insane especially if you dont play healer generally
modern brook
Resto ain't shit w/o boom voke tbh
prime kayak
yeah hpriest is impossible
sick sentinel
lfr mage time
inland raft
I barely touched mt myself i did fury arms prot and protpal and got bored so idk about most specs
prime kayak
atleast i have aman thul & hoa on druid
mighty valley
how can you see anything with 25 friendly healthbars on the screen
inland raft
Friendly healthbars are annoying af
chilly brook
I trust literally nothing about what people have to say a out mt
I cri
light thicket
yeah hpriest is impossible <:ratge:890357732543168594>
I thinkblizzard put out a small nerf today?
Or very recently
chilly brook
I trust literally nothing about what people have to say a out mt
I literally did the affliction mt legit on my alt which I started playing this patch and our lock had to cheese it with an exploit and waited 40 minutes for absolute corruption to kill the boss
modern brook
I literally did the affliction mt legit on my alt which I started playing this p...
lmao
how does he last 40 minutes on that fihgt
chilly brook
Because some idiot found out theres a spot on the map you can drop down to that LOS/outranges the boss
So you kill everything except for the last boss
And just leave corruption on him
Because the talent makes it infinite duration
So stupid
@modern brook https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tPk6N5YNnI
Literally 3:10 onwards
Not the same person but this is where they got the idea from smh
chilly brook
@modern brook @strong forum lmaoooo peep guardian chat
jagged pier
Griff stop trolling
chilly brook
Griff stop trolling
jagged pier
Nah jk thats what ive been doing for days
chilly brook
Nah jk thats what ive been doing for days <:yep:703420923625078804>
It was honestly too easy it wasn't even fun after a few minutes
sick sentinel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFOgefROqfI if i was a healer instead
frail oar
well i think i'm starting to get it 🙂
i did 30ish try tonight
manage to constantly push it passed 70% and did a few try at 50%
should i start using consumables (right now i only use food) or wait till i get to P2 ?
strong forum
I used pot on pull, and you could technically get your pot back for late p2
But only getting variss below 70% means you don't live for longer than 1minute
Do you just take too many stacks of the aura or why are you dying?
frail oar
But only getting variss below 70% means you don't live for longer than 1minute
That's my average pull indeed
I usually die when the first infernal pop, right after killing the first wave of adds
From a mix of his dot and the cast of variss
I try not to go higher than 6 stacks
mighty valley
Are you using the healing orbs?
frail oar
Well every time I go higher I die
strong forum
Sure but like, variss cast doesn't hurt, are you using victory rush procs efficiently?
frail oar
Are you using the healing orbs?
Aren't I suppose to save the first orbs for later?
mighty valley
I mean, if it’s pick one up or die, I’d pick one up
But yeah you shouldn’t be in that much danger
Adds give you a lot of VR procs
strong forum
Cuz you legit gotta abuse victory rush to stay alive.
And no, the very early orbs you can easily use
If its between life or death, pick up orbs anyway
frail oar
Sure but like, variss cast doesn't hurt, are you using victory rush procs effici...
I try but most of the times all the adds die at the same time, the few times they died one by one are the times I managed to push him further
frail oar
Ok
strong forum
But also kill them off quickly
frail oar
I usually charge them
strong forum
Don't want more than 1 eye up to be safe
frail oar
Should I kill them for afar with heroic throw?
mighty valley
Try and stagger the packs from the portals too, your prio target should go down and you should get at least the VR from that before the others burn down
strong forum
Also if you can, wait for the debuff to drop from variss aura before using VR, so you have more HP to actually heal
Cuz VR is % based heal
frail oar
I kill them on top of variss with him as my target, not good?
strong forum
That's completely fine
frail oar
Ok
strong forum
Sense, Jakey and Me have each uploaded our kills on YouTube if you wanna see how/what we're doing
If you haven't checked anything yet
mighty valley
I mean, there are generally times when you need to drop stacks so you clean up adds away from him
strong forum
Unless you wanna do it blind
frail oar
I saw all the videos, the problem is reproducing it 😬
frail oar
Yep
frail oar
I should be able to practice some more this sunday
strong forum
Is the important stuff on p1
Abuse victory rush, and if you can sometime soon manage it, kill variss before 3rd infernal spawns
frail oar
Ok
strong forum
That's my main recommendations
frail oar
Thanks alot 😁
One last thing, I' m currently using scale + mecagon trinket (so double on use)
Should I drop one to put OWS?
frail oar
Ok thanks
fringe marten
Oh did that mage tower thing release?
What are the rewards for it?
I think I have an old cyclotron in my bank..is it good for the mage tower now?
chilly brook
Oh did that mage tower thing release?
Cool armor set
If you beat each boss you get a spell tome mount
mellow bridge
I think I have an old cyclotron in my bank..is it good for the mage tower now?
Yeah it's pretty busted from what I've heard
dusk hinge
are we any good this patch ?
chilly brook
are we any good this patch ?
Nope just delete your warrior literally can't even complete the raid much less do 20s
I'm kidding, we're fine. Tank balance is great right now
fast knot
blazing condor
Thank
chilly brook
What sword is that now again
What he said, go kill maldraxxus dudes in revendreth and the mission item will drop
blazing condor
Where one hand
chilly brook
Wat
sick sentinel
maybe if i play rogue, i will understand bad tank positioning
hasty cedar
Is the prot tier set still bugged in PTR?
dusky canopy
servers die for anyone else?
vestal moat
sick sentinel
ddos?
ocean yoke
raid night is kill
sick sentinel
they saw my picture that you can draw penises so they had to emergency nerft it
fringe marten
So is the legion content actual timewalking? is that why cyclotron has value in it?
Oh it's the? wasn't that the PVP coloring for the tomb of sargeras set? (the green was the mythic and red was the pvp wasn't it?)
lucid dew
@chilly brook how long did sword take to get
Are mission tables hard I haven’t really leveled my shit up
chilly brook
<@133532617940140032> how long did sword take to get
not long, like 3 minutes to get the item to drop and then 8 hours for the mission
you can just use the 75k follower token on one follower and it'll be a 100% chance of success on the mission
lucid dew
Oh that’s simple then. Yea I have used those but didn’t know I’d it was a super advanced mission
Def going to pick that up. Looks great with the mage tower set
karmic plinth
i have a 249 shield and my dom shoulders are only 226 (although i have 252 non dom shoulders for m+), should i take the shield ?
lime urchin
I haven’t completed mage tower yet, so I am not sure if I am allowed to advise
But I would go shield
karmic plinth
ye probably the better idea
jagged pier
u take the shield
karmic plinth
shield: taken
cinder dirge
Honestly guys, do you got any hope for prot warrior compared to other tank next patch (and i insist with "compare to other tank) or am i mistaken on how fucked we are ?
sweet summit
only "fucked" thing about the spec for next patch is the tier set which is just buggy as heck, but there is still hope for it to get reworked/fixed/buffed or something
brittle owl
2 more months of ptr
cinder dirge
Bonus set isn't enough and has to be super precise in order to not fk it up by using IP on it.
Not fk it up by pressing avatar if we have 1 to 7 stakc of outburst in the bank
Power hide behind a 1min30sc CD (not counting Anger management ofc)
But I mean, in all fairness do you really find that competitive compared to other tank ? Prot paladin ? Guardian druid ? Blood DK ?
I'm talking about riad and M+
sweet summit
🔮
cinder dirge
that's how i would define "fkd"
sweet summit
hmm
cinder dirge
but am i wrong ?
brittle owl
you're overthinking yes
cinder dirge
If so, could you tell me how ? Maybe i missed something
brittle owl
about stuff that isn't set in stone
yeah you missed the 2 months of ptr remaining
and the reworks they already did
like erga said
the only fucked thing is the bugs
and some of the design booboos
if those get fixed, smooth sailing
sweet summit
^
brittle owl
as far as competitiveness
same thing applies
who the fk knows
rn veng is busted
like legit broken
that's bound to get fixed somehow
also on the topic of competitiveness
cinder dirge
Even without bugs the set is still not competitive enough, right ?
Meaning the only "good part" is that they can still rework the set is that it ? Or am I understanding it wrong ?
brittle owl
you sure you are supposed to ask that question? are you in the scenario
where you would need to ask it?
because if you were
you would know the answer already
sweet summit
it's a reasonably big single target damage increase (we lack ST damage currently)
great synergy with anger management (obvious avatar synergy + increased rage generation with +200% rage gen from SS)
main thing i dislike about it is ignore pain and thunder clap being able to consume it (you would never use outburst with these buttons on purpose (unless they change something)
cinder dirge
Oh ok
Cause I found prot warrior multi target to be fkn awesome to be fair and it's true that the single target is absolute dogsh*t (I remember some monks climbing to fkn 8 - 9k ST I was like WTF is going on)
Another stupid question, by using Anger management what is approximately the CD of avatar ?
sweet summit
~45 sec give or take
cinder dirge
yo rly ?
sweet summit
AM is roughly 50% cdr on avatar and sw
brittle owl
assuming you play efficiently enough
sweet summit
yeah assuming you don't waste rage xd
jagged pier
are we fucked?
strong forum
Warris ST dmg will catapult next patch
jagged pier
first im hearing of this
strong forum
So idk chief
brittle owl
Yes this is totally fair, however. Having challenging content with cool rewards that others can’t obtain isn’t elitism. Blizz has a huge player base full of diverse skill levels and goals. It isn’t fair to “hardcore” players to make everything in game super easy. Blizz makes a lot of things obtainable that casual players normally can’t get ( mythic raid gear etc) It’s not unreasonable to say “hey can we please have a cool reward that’s designed for skilled players?” I’m not totally convinced the MT is perfectly balanced but if it does need nerfs I do think they should be small, very specific nerfs to certain mechanics (an example would be reducing the eye HP in guardian challenge by 10%)
I do think less skilled players were kinda lead on by the MT though. They’re main thing is single player content so when the mage tower dropped it obviously looked like it would be right up they’re alley. These poor people walked out of korthia dailies straight into the MT. There’s just no progressively challenging content to prepare yourself for what the MT is.
strong forum
Ohno
jagged pier
oh no
jagged pier
stop mael stop
brittle owl
stop mael stop
it's a condition
strong forum
Anyway, our ST dmg will increase substantial amounts @cinder dirge brcsuse of the interaction of necrolord + glory + reprisal + the influx of rage gain from the set bonus alone
jagged pier
it's a condition
dg if on good form this morning
strong forum
We will gain alot dmg through that
cinder dirge
Maybe the glory legendary might be more useful afterall with the rage generation of the banner
ye that's what i was thinking
But i found the necro a bit wack in term of multi target dmg
strong forum
We will get close to 100% banner uptime
strong forum
In multitarget you don't play necro
strong forum
You only play necro in ST
Otherwise it'll be NF/Kyr
And we're in the unique position to have really good covenant legendaries and a broken normal legendary
brittle owl
freely swap
that sounds like hoe behaviour. i aint no hoe
strong forum
Unlike monks
sweet summit
that sounds like hoe behaviour. i aint no hoe
yes you are
brittle owl
no u
sweet summit
oh i definitely am
strong forum
So don't just take the set bonus as the only metric to consider who's gonna be good
We have alot of stacked up for us
That being said, bear pally and vdh are looking really promising too
Monks get fucked from the double leggo system but their set bonus is broken AF for now, emphasis on for now
And bdk is just bdk
cinder dirge
what about magical damage taken ?
strong forum
What about it?
strong forum
We get 10% flat damage reduction from avatar, we have demo shout, IP, SW and SR
sweet summit
the vast majority of magic damage is avoidable + what nome said
strong forum
The only real troubles we have is consistent dot dmg
brittle owl
which is an issue for anything that isn't vdh or paladin tbh
but it's nothing that affects viability
strong forum
Tldr
Don't worry about it, things are looking good
cinder dirge
I'm being clubbered by those mobs in HoA and on the ring on DoS. It requires so much team effort to make those guys interrupt on 22 - 23's
you not?
strong forum
Ring on DoS are instant magic nukes with 1y range
Just keep them slightly away from you and they can't cast it
Mobs in hoa need to be interrupted and the other mobs are bleed dmg
Everybody hates bleed dmg
brittle owl
whodda thought, the main weakness of every tank is menstruation
sweet summit
what
brittle owl
what
cinder dirge
well, hopefully you guys got it right, tyvm for reassuring me. Tbf I'm still nervous about more than a year being throw into the sewer by the community perception of prot warriors and their high expectations for VDH early on and now Guardian druid. Even if to my personal opinion tanks has never been that much balance, the overall community perception about the meta is killing my mood so much x)
strong forum
whodda thought, the main weakness of every tank is menstruation
Check pms soon
sweet summit
strong forum
well, hopefully you guys got it right, tyvm for reassuring me. Tbf I'm still ner...
Fuck the community
cinder dirge
ye well fuck the community if you play with a team
sick sentinel
I'm being clubbered by those mobs in HoA and on the ring on DoS. It requires so ...
I normally like to Shockwave when they are all together then spell reflect since it resets their casts then demo shout shortly after followed by a defense trinket or wall. This usually leaves some room like 15-20 seconds before you have to start doing the big think and hope you don't die
cinder dirge
if you solo queue like me they litearlly fk you in the ass big time
sick sentinel
For DOS Anyway
brittle owl
if you solo queue like me they litearlly fk you in the ass big time
if you want some reassurance, try queuing as any dps outside of the top 5 meta picks
cinder dirge
🤣
brittle owl
you'll very quickly realize tanks no matter how well or badly percieved they are by the community
cinder dirge
alright you got me
brittle owl
are fucking spoiled
sick sentinel
Tanks in general have it pretty easy in all content
First in line for everything almost
brittle owl
ofc
there is a barrier for entry
which nullifies all difficulty
that being copious amounts of testosterone production
we're too chad for the game
sick sentinel
Thankfully tank mains are far and few in-between 
strong forum
For good reasons
sick sentinel
Could you imagine experiencing anything as a tank with dps standards
brittle owl
i can't do wq's outside of tank spec
strong forum
Yeah
brittle owl
legit makes my brain rot
strong forum
Losing HP wtf is this
sick sentinel
LOL
brittle owl
imagine not being able to pull an entire zone and just play with your cat mashng 2 buttons
strong forum
This
sick sentinel
Pulling the entire zone and dying outside of tank spec
strong forum
Pulling 3 mobs and holding on to dear live
sick sentinel
I've tried healing, but its unbelievably boring
Dps is fine but it's like hunger games trying to get into any keys or raids
summer gorge
Can anyone link me to a good version of dbm or something for the mage tower. Because my timers are all over the place. I'm also seeing the smoldering infernals ressurect in their banished state and just as they unbanish I'm sent flying only to then see them do the animation? XD
strong forum
I've done it without timers so Idk
blazing condor
When infernals respawn they like instacast the knock
So just gotta be extra careful
Look for respawn animation
forest meadow
I like tanking and healing both way more than DPS. DPS is major punished for any downtime between buttons or mess-ups in rotation. Tank and healing are both so chill. As long as myself and the team aren't dying, we good. As DPS I don't actively watch the meter, but always worried about it falling for taking .1 second between abilities or being 1 step out of melee range or something else silly like that.
And sometimes for utility too. Like, don't waste too many GCDs on your amazing utility unless you want to convert that sweet deeps for invisible value.
strong forum
Well you can be the same as a healer and tank
Every button counts and decides (not always) between life or death
Do I go for more dmg or do I heal now, do I have to heal, can I use a defensive here or will I need it soon
forest meadow
Very true. I tank and heal +18-19 keys and they feel easy and comfortable. Healing on my monk doing ~3.5k DPS and my shaman ~4.5k DPS. I don't waste time between abilities, but as DPS I feel way pressured to ALWAYS be like 2222222222333333333332222222225555554555443333333323222222
brittle owl
not all specs are that fast and alot of tank specs are gcd locked too
dps is very chill brain on autopilot, just kill the things that the tank pulls
forest meadow
Yeah I know what you mean. I just hate losing DPS when it's my role. If I go into PF as a WW with a shaman healer on the week of sanguine, I feel like dispels and RoPs alone drops me by like 500 DPS or something stupid. At my mid-skill level, I'd never worry as a prot warr if I accidentally Demo Shout before Avatar and had to IP before Avatar to prevent rage cap. Sure I lost some AM CDR, but it just doesn't feel as bad as accidentally pressing bladestorm while at 60 rage.
teal swift
I like tanking and healing both way more than DPS. DPS is major punished for any...
Tanking and dps are the same.
Tanks just get two extra minimgames..
Mitigation minigame and taunt minigame
Tank 👏 DPS 👏 matters 👏
forest meadow
Okay, sorry I said tanking was more chill than DPSing lol
teal swift
I mean it has all of the same issues
Where you're out of range
And you lose dps
For like 0.5
Or you spear 0.2s before another add
forest meadow
If you're out of range they come to you haha