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unreal sequoia
Yall, I have 233 OWS, 246 Scale, 246 IQD, and 252 Phial. What's my best combo for M+ and raid?
blazing condor
ows + scale is pretty dope for m+
for raid i'd probably play ows + phial but sim it if you want
unreal sequoia
2nd question, I'm pretty geared at this point, and wanted to know how valuable the defensive shards are for M+. I typically only run 2 of the dps ones and just high ilvl pieces in the rest of the slots. Should I be considering dropping from 249 to 247 for 3 more shards?
in M+ of course
ionic fern
That depends.
If it's mostly blockable damage and you still have SB charges you're not taking any significant damage anyways.
But in most situations for most people ~30 is the safer bet yeah.
jagged pier
2nd question, I'm pretty geared at this point, and wanted to know how valuable t...
Yes
strong forum
Shards are big
lime urchin
how does phial trinket work btw? does thunderclap give the debuff as well?
I am not sure if thunderclap is consider a melee hit. I think I just asked a silly question
urban portal
Everything works with phial
lime urchin
But in most situations for most people ~30 is the safer bet yeah.
does SB 'block' any of the physical damage over time?
or did I just another silly question
urban portal
Does not block
lime urchin
so, thunderclap would spread the phial to over everything it hits?
strong forum
1 at a time
urban portal
How it chooses I'm not sure
strong forum
Rng
ionic fern
does SB 'block' any of the physical damage over time?
The damage you take with SB up is pretty minimal so getting healed is not a big concern.
Unless you were like 50% when the pull started.
urban portal
I think he's asking if you can block the necrotic bleed
ionic fern
Jeah, i got that - it got answered. I clarified the portion as to why you would be OK with just SB.
lime urchin
thanks Mawhi, then its indeed how I thought you ment it.
lime urchin
its only the best tonk it the person slaps the correct buttons on the keyboard, no?
strong forum
Druids legendary doesn't get affected by necrotic for whatever reason
So they're immortal
urban portal
A druid that plays with 1 hand is almost as good as a properly played warrior
jagged pier
Which is odd as its an absorb
urban portal
In fact when I play druid I macro ironfur onto swipe
strong forum
A druid that plays with 1 hand is almost as good as a properly played warrior
Nerf proves that you don't even need 1 hand
urban portal
Link vid pls
jagged pier
U just need a forehead
strong forum
No need for vid
Just watch a run of nerf playing druid
Any run
Dude doesn't use his buttons
urban portal
My guild lead tells me "nooo you can't macro defensive onto swipe you need to hold rage for big damage"
Big kap
jagged pier
For most classes yes
urban portal
Once you macro ironfur you never go back
jagged pier
For druid no
strong forum
Even then, no
urban portal
💩
blazing condor
strong forum
You always want to have atleast 1 stack up, macroing it would end up making you use more ironfurs on low target counts
lime urchin
exactly
strong forum
On high target counts, sure just slam IF away you have infinite rage from thrash anyway
ionic fern
Know what would be sick?
Still having Iron Maiden. With Reprisal and how much we are spamming Revenge ...
lime urchin
whats Iron Maiden except for an overrated metal band
jagged pier
It was a conduit in beta
Revenge had a chance to give u a sb stack
Would have been really good to have
lime urchin
😮
blazing condor
feels like thrash + incarn but warrior
median tulip
There's always a chance we might get more conduits
tame jasper
Revenge had a chance to give u a sb stack
Giiiiieeev
jagged pier
Yes we did give feedback we wanted that conduit due to lack of shield block up time
ionic fern
I wonder if they are going to implement double Legendaries will they end up nerfing Reprisal even more..
We would be beefy as hell with Reprisal and also could run Seismic/Natures Fury for a ton of damage.
lime urchin
I skipped legion, but didn’t they allowed double Legendaries at the end of the expansion there?
jagged pier
If we had iron madien reprisal would be that good
And give us more options for leggos
blazing condor
☝️
i sure love being forced to play one legendary because it's literally the fix for our class
smile
instead of getting an actual fix and more viable legendary options
ionic fern
Well, you could probably play Seismic or w/e else Legendary in 20's.
jagged pier
15s are the most fun can do what u like
blazing condor
idk spamming 15s with different builds might be fun but it seems so futile
like it doesnt gain me anything at all
but neither does pushing rio either for that matter
its tricky
ionic fern
Pushing is only fun for me if i have a dedicated team on voice. 😦
median tulip
I was under the impression that wow is a game, and the point of a game is the fun
ionic fern
So i'm just doing 15s with Seismic and having PuGs be like "WHAT IS THAT DAMAGE?!?!?"
blazing condor
"yeah im like a theorycrafter for warriors on the discord haha u should check me out ; )"
ionic fern
No one knows who i am in game
Big secret.
But when i end up DPS'ing/Healing i silently judge every prot Warrior i get in my group.
ionic fern
Can't spread it if you don't know it.
I'm deleting my warrior every month and creating a new one just to be safe.
blazing condor
the new mysterious #1 warrior - Wmahi
halcyon shard
lmao
ionic plank
So i'm just doing 15s with Seismic and having PuGs be like "WHAT IS THAT DAMAGE?...
is seismic really a lot of damage? i might tank some 15s this week, I use EM for damage / reprisal for scary stuff
wonder if I should craft seismic and blast some 15s
ionic fern
Seismic is a lot of damage. 🙂
ionic plank
o shit gonna make a 235 one when I get home
ionic fern
Damn, calm down - mines still 190.
ionic plank
and offer to tank 15s (main fury) because our tank literally wants to die every time i suggest keys this week
halcyon shard
this week big ass
ionic plank
Damn, calm down - mines still 190.
I might have a lot of spare soul ash… definitely didn’t spam layer 9 torghast for the first 40 renown when I switched to kyrian
halcyon shard
nice trinket lmao
ionic fern
😂
ionic plank
also accidentally opened vault in prot spec a few weeks ago and got 252 scale
kinda huge
ionic fern
Idk, i was promised a Phial but some other Prot Warriors decided they want to do another dungeon instead of PF.
blazing condor
i would treat u rite
ionic fern
One of the better ones for sure that performs well in both AoE and ST.
jagged pier
2nd or 3rd
Dont have matrix so cant say
But it sometimes beats sack sometimes doesnt
lime urchin
sack?
ionic fern
Ticking Sack of Terror - from Tazavesh
lime urchin
I see. I recently got lucky with phial so I have playing around with phial+lfr-aegis, and gave mah good ole scale a nice place in the bags.
what are the other trinkets on the non-raiding wishlist? field emitter I suppose?
ionic fern
Phial
Emitter
Sack of Terror
Codex
Scale
lime urchin
okido!
tame jasper
Seismic is this WW legensary? How to you put ww in rota?
blazing condor
no
strong forum
It works for revenge.
blazing condor
seismic is for revenge
strong forum
It almost doubles your revenge damage
ionic fern
I mean..it's both..Revenge & WW..but we never use WW so..
tame jasper
Hmm. Maybe I shoud craft it as my 3rd 262 legendary. Dont know whst to do with the cinders snyway atm
mental scarab
Aegis 239 or scale 246? Using Matrix 239 and phial 246 now for dps Matrix and? For best dmg reduction?
jagged pier
Aegis
tame jasper
I mostly rund 239 aegis and matrix, but in some instances switching matrix to scale
ionic fern
Aegis + Matrix
Phial+Matrix
ionic fern
The trinkets this tier are the only reason i would want to raid tbh. 😦
strong forum
And it does damgur
mental scarab
Yea Matrix dmg is kinda nuts
about same dmg as phial
strong forum
Yup
mental scarab
But sack of terror at 233 does it more dmg on aoe then phial 246
strong forum
But Sack has less Str
A total of 0 to be precise
Which makes phial catch up in overall dmg gained
lime urchin
The trinkets this tier are the only reason i would want to raid tbh. 😦
same.. but no raidteam!
mental scarab
Aha
tame jasper
Which soot do you run seismic @ionic fern ? (Im on mobile so bad to check which are possible)
tame jasper
With dom items it self-reduce it to feet
ionic fern
Just don't have DOM items.
tame jasper
Too bad - slot I cant craft the vessel on my own (only belts and legs)
ionic fern
tame jasper
Just don't have DOM items.
Well.yeah.i mean.i would like to not need to raid. But 😦
ionic fern
Why do you NEED to raid? 👀
tame jasper
To get the dom items, shsrds and trinkets for betrer m+ 🤷♂️
ionic fern
I mean..it's a solid QoL for sure but by no means mandatory.
Atleast not for the majority of the playerbase.
jagged pier
U can do 20s without dom sockets
tame jasper
Most probably yes 🙂
lime urchin
U can do 20s without dom sockets
Well yes, this is mentioned a lot here. But I need stuff that makes up for the mistakes I make 😮
ionic fern
Healers cover for mistakes.
jagged pier
^^
mental scarab
More dmg—-mobs die faster that is some solid DR
ionic fern
lime urchin
Oh. Define normal 😦
median tulip
Phial
Emitter
Sack of Terror
Codex
Scale
How does Decanter match up nowadays?
lime urchin
Oh no! Bai!
lime urchin
How does Decanter match up nowadays?
Last time I asked, the most answers were: meh
jagged pier
Its pretty meh yer
bright flax
But ism s noob wanting to break the 20ties barrier 😂😇
This is a very counter productive argumebt to justify having to go for something. Sadly its shared by most of the player base
M+ success is highly correlated to the skill of 5 players, who you play with is a huge factor
After that, player skill, experience and knowledge of dungeons mechanics will take you a long way
Actually playing M+ instead of sidetracking for dom gear should net you quicker results because you are learning every time
lime urchin
M+ success is highly correlated to the skill of 5 players, who you play with is ...
Well yes, and the hardest part of m+ imo. I have been working on getting a dedicated m+ team going since bfa and it’s hard to keep 5-6 people together, or find some with the same mindset to replace etc
bright flax
Ye its the same thing as raiding, sometimes all it takes is 1 person to wipe the whole group or snowball into a wipe
So the point is, the idea that you need dom gear to do mythic+ is a bit skewed. You dont need it, it will make it easier in the long run. But if you dont know how to handle stuff you will keep kissing the floor with or without it
Like me, i kiss the floor all the time, treating 15s like they are 5s or so
undone verge
Man I don’t know how I’m supposed to survive the 20 barrier on fortified. Those first few packs in dos are a killer
ionic fern
You rotate CD's for the first one and then skip the second one to get to the tormentor. 👀
By the time you get to the "2nd" pack going by order you should have CD's again.
lime urchin
you dont need shieldwall for the first pack, right? pop lust, pop scale/aegis and some sexy kiting in a circle
well, thats what I do in mah 17-19 keys
now that I say that, probably on higher keys it would be nice to have your dps to have their CDs ready for the 2nd pack
ionic fern
DoS and SoA are the two dungeons that i'm most skeptical about pugging tbh. 😦
So many things need to be interrupted and from my experience 90% of them go through.
strong forum
Man I don’t know how I’m supposed to survive the 20 barrier on fortified. Those ...
Emphasis on "the first few"
That's the only hard part of the dungeon
After that it's free
lime urchin
well, I am curious how yall actually pull the Aerdenweald stuff
nowadays I have a affliction warlock in mah group, so he kinda wants me to pull BIG
strong forum
Ardenweald is by far the free-est part of all dungeons in SL
lime urchin
yes
but I would like to see a clip of how the actual pulling goes
^^
I normally do the first area in two pulls
ionic fern
Sounds about right.
ionic fern
It's like 4-5 pulls in total depending on the group/key level.
strong forum
Then pull everything to infront of boss
lime urchin
it is a fun part, it really is
because its big pulling without much headache
last reset we tried some big pulls with someone pulling extra stuff all the time in the maze, and those big pulls can cause headaches. I find it pretty hard to do proper interrupting-calling etc on those moments..
ionic fern
Assign marks to people and be done with it.
lime urchin
yes, I installed a auto-marker WA now, but I need to change some settings, so it no longer marks stuff that doesnt need marking
blazing condor
i pull quad
then pull tormentor with barkbinder dudes
then just pull a buncha shit on urn
then pull more shit
lime urchin
but %!
blazing condor
MDT is your friend
i pull enough to skip 2nd drill and dudes before blobs in mecha
which means like all the right side birds and the packs around the dragon in arden
bright flax
In the topic of dos. What can break invis pot when skipping those robots?
Never tried an invis skip there for not knowing it
blazing condor
you can disable the blobs and still be in invis
bright flax
Can touch the slime fluid on floor?
blazing condor
just have your engi go in and do it
bright flax
Gotta try it one of these days
Those packs a bit slow and annoying, rather pick more in ardenweald if possible ye
blazing condor
realistically youd skip like all of mechagon
modern brook
Yeah mechagon us the biggest time wink in thay dungeon
blazing condor
⏰ 😉
lime urchin
in my team we have a rouge, would it be possible to skip whole mechagon with invis pots + shroud?
blazing condor
yes
blazing condor
i think most people opt to not skip the slimes
they give quite a bit of %
or oozes
blazing condor
i dont think you get enough % from ardenweald to skip everything in mechagon
maybe but then youd have to go to the other bleakwing dudes down the path near the boss
which seems like a time-waste
modern brook
I dont have it sorry :/
If i remember right; in season 1
you distract the drill on the right side, hug left to skip him
clear arf arf + nerds -> skip everything to boss
OR u start the invis there
blazing condor
yeah thats how most do
modern brook
and clear ooze
blazing condor
cus u gotta take them after anyway
lime urchin
clear arf arf + nerds -> skip everything to boss
Aye but you don’t need shroud + in is pot for that right?
blazing condor
to skip oozes
if you skip from around 2nd drill i dont tink you need both to skip oozes too
maybe a roar or so tho
if youre gonna have someone who goes and disables
modern brook
Aye but you don’t need shroud + in is pot for that right?
i think you need both if you have to wait for the slimes to despawn
ie: you dont have a 2n stealth class w. engineering
tbh i really dont remembe thouh its been like 4 months since ive pushed that key :/
blazing condor
not entirely the right advice but go and watch the top keys see what they do
theyve thought this through a bunch
bright flax
was having lunch, I think the oozes at the end are quite good % and you still have some running time after to get cds back for boss
modern brook
i mean the problem with he mechagon run is that its in theory 5 single target pulls
so shroud gets u past 4 of them
bright flax
I noticed in mdi last weekend a team skip a lot of mechagon and let the dudes transform in the troll area for %
modern brook
thats interesting
blazing condor
too bad mdi is more about speed
so the strats wont really hold up if you push 23+
bright flax
specially with our gear ye
modern brook
lmao i wish i could be a tourney realm sub rogue :/
strong forum
Lmao I wish I could be a tourney realm sub rogue
modern brook
I was just thinking "yeah im not confident but this convos been going for 20+ minutes and nomeratur hasnt corrected me yet so im probably right"
strong forum
Bull looking submissive and breedable
modern brook
=UwU=
ionic fern
Please don't.
sick sentinel
i might play druid if there is 60 boost and instant 40 RK
i just can't be bothered giving a shit enough to do quests or dungeons or whatever
strong forum
Please don't.
It's a twitter meme :(
sweet summit
🐦
sick sentinel
warrior fine on tyranical, splat on these fort weeks
strong forum
Pwar is actually better on fort weeks than tyr weeks
modern brook
lmao
ionic fern
Ah,okay...i don't have that so makes sense.
modern brook
thanks for defending my honor mwahi :^)
sick sentinel
like i said loads of times, if there was no server imbalance, i'd have more lvl 60's on alliance
bright flax
team on the right side, casters were a bit like "they fucked up"
strong forum
I wouldn't have touched horde if it wasn't for imbalance
I'd still be a happy dwarf
modern brook
lmao sheeeeesh
modern brook
Dwarf is better and looks 15times better aswell
dwarf has the like fat man round belly and plate looks dogshit on it
same with panda
strong forum
Wrong?
gloomy cradle
wonder what it feels like running through the water in ardenweald without having to swim 🤔
strong forum
wonder what it feels like running through the water in ardenweald without having...
I can tell you even as vulpera
modern brook
Aight nom; I'm going to go ahead and give you the next 8 hours to continue living in your fantasy
and then im going to bring your world crashing down
cause dwarf has a fat belly dude
gloomy cradle
I can tell you even as vulpera
there's the one spot right between the pillar and the "bridge"
too deep 😢
strong forum
Idk man, I never swam in ardenweald
mint turret
Dwarf warrior gang stonks
strong forum
Maybe don't run dumb ass paths
modern brook
lmao
mystic warren
cause dwarf has a fat belly dude
fat belly that resets bleeds and necrotic tho
lime urchin
Panda warrior best warrior!
lime urchin
And plate looks amazing on it
dwarf legs too short for your swords!
and they smell like wet rock
modern brook
Dwarf doesn't have a fat belly lol
i remembbered dressing room exists and i dont have to wait 8 hours
dwarf has the physique of body building dad who just gave up
modern brook
its right there
strong forum
All I see is, a twink who doesn't understand manliness
strong forum
Idk doesn't concern me
I'll never play it cuz their animations are horrible
And they have no ass and literal twig legs
Proportions are massively off
bright flax
Thats no belly, its ironforge stout
strong forum
Pandas bellies even have jiggle physics
If they had proper shoulders, pandas wouldn't look as shut
But their overponounced belly and literal lack of shouldersize, makes them just 
Same issue as Kultiran BTW
Huge belly, no shoulders
That's why they look so god damn ugly
modern brook
The best part of Kultiran
Is that even in Kul Tiras 90% of females were normal humans
because the devs couldnt bring themselves to make + sized female npcs
modern brook
i mean if this game was made any time after '86 KT would just be a character slider
bright flax
Its more a case of keeping it neutral no? Instead of a stereotype
strong forum
Trueee bull
lime urchin
That's why they look so god damn ugly
Y u mock mah physique 😦
strong forum
Sensitive subject
obtuse monolith
So Necrotic hurts but I made it and now my key is a DoS, which I haven’t done over 10 before on any week. Any tips before I scrub out?
lime urchin
spell reflect piercing barb on Hakkar
spell reflect the 'crusher' on final boss
but you need to time it by looking at your timers
obtuse monolith
Crusher like when he’s pounding both fists or?
lime urchin
no, the dot, soulcrusher or something
obtuse monolith
Ahh
lime urchin
spellreflect shadowcore from the scary mobs
you may wanna scroll upwards because DoS was something talked about earlier today
modern brook
Most of the Dos discussion was in reference to cuteness neeeded for higher keys
Im assuming this is ~15
lime urchin
aye, so
lust on the first pack, and try to safe your shield wall for the 2nd pack if you cant trust interrupts
do big pulls to make you feel happy in Aerdenweald
I think thats about it
modern brook
As an aside
dont be afraid of necrotic
ITs a DPS mechanic; even if they wont admit it
the worst thing you can do this week is pussy out at 20 stacks and give your back and make DPS chase shit
just let your monkeys lay the pipe
wooden kettle
ITs a DPS mechanic; even if they wont admit it
How so
modern brook
How so
Dead things dont give necrotic stacks
Ex: you have a bear tank quad pull he pops incarn and nothing dies and he dies after cds
is it your tanks fault you did no damage
??
modern brook
Crazy stuff yeah
median tulip
Necrotic is a Party Coordination affix, really. If you're on Voice Comms with a team that knows how to use AoE stuns/roots/slows/knockbacks it's literally not a problem. PUGging it without Comms is a massive diceroll though.
wooden kettle
While that is true, it doesn't apply to necrotic specifically, since that is the case every weak
wooden kettle
Okay then
modern brook
RE: party coordination: i dont need coordination to press shockwave leap
RE: necrotic; tank doesnt play any differently with necrotic
you commit cooldowns and you leave the pull
people get scared cause they're at 80% with 20 stacks
and start moving shit out of circles
and suddenly DPS are gimped because all their circles are 9 miles away
or worse now DPS are chasing the group
and not watching for frontals, kicks, etc
median tulip
From experience with my guild, it's a lot easier on the DPS to kill things as I jump out if the Earthbind Totem or Piercing Howl is applied
Coordination works wonders
modern brook
My point is literally that Necrotic doesnt change anything
it just speeds up when you have to leave
but that point is 20 stacks
lime urchin
30-40 minimum, no?
sweet summit
depends
modern brook
30-40 minimum, no?
am i threatened
sweet summit
depends on:
your current hp
pack hp
cooldowns/externals available
which mobs youre fighing
group dps relative to key level
racial? (dwarf)
phial
your hate for the healer
etc
lime urchin
If we can’t facetank it, we die. #nomorekiting
I also actively taunt back from trees and Earth elementals
I am the tonk, not u
median tulip
The biggest problem packs on Necrotic are those that combine high magic damage mobs with a larger number of necrotic-applying adds
jagged pier
It depends on a lot u can go to 70 in a lot of circumstances pretty ez
median tulip
A purely physical damage pack is not much of a threat, because it just doesn't do enough actual damage through armour and block
obtuse monolith
I guess it depends on stacks vs key level. Like 30 was where I started feeling it on 10. On 12 late 20s more.
Pulls w lots of little guys shoot you up in stacks but still don’t feel it
lime urchin
I think the point people write from above is that when the damage you take is blockable with shield block, even in very big pulls, hardly slaps you if you have shieldblocks rolling. With that principle the keylevel does not matter very much, except for the punishment when you make a mistake
obtuse monolith
I hear that. I find life’s harder too without a strong DPS group. Longer the pull goes more chances for a slip. A lot easier when 1-2 get knocked down quick and I’ve only got 1-2 mobs left to manage.
Yeah… DPS affix amirite?
bright flax
Tank is just 1/5 of the group
Idk, i think leaper mobs are the worse but we have some tools to deal with them
Also since warrior is a high physical mitigation tank, if you facetanked in other fort weeks you should be able to this week
Casters, diseases, dots, bleeds, those things will make it harder but they generally do on other weeks as well
Example, good druids will use treants every week so you take less dmg and healer can dps. Not just on necrotic
lime urchin
Don’t let treants steal your aggro! Burn the trees!
steel mist
lime urchin
everytime I see that in my pugs I cry a little bit on the inside
I am not sure if the talent they normally use instead of treants is a big dps upgrade tho
orchid frigate
Typical pug balance druid
lime urchin
but if I would be playing balance I would love to use trees
lavish oracle
Last I checked, the difference between trees and Nature's Balance was negligible
But not having it does mean you kinda need to pool Astral power at the end of pulls
Which can be awkward, I suppose
austere marsh
how much % vers would you recommend for m15s?
timber lagoon
Don't worry too much about vers at that level. Haste is where it's at
austere marsh
I know, but just went into mists 15 and healer left after first pull because I got melted XD
7% vers
timber lagoon
I don't think doubling your vers would drastically change that outcome
Those first couple packs are rough
austere marsh
was tanking a bit in season 1 with pvp gear and felt a bit better
timber lagoon
It's more about what buttons you press and when
Also group can help you out with stuns/slows if you have to kite. If dps is low that doesn't help
But it should be livable. What's your ilvl?
unreal sequoia
Is shard of Jas worth 14 ilvls in M+?
median tulip
Which one is Jas?
grizzled lotus
increased incoming healing and + max health
afaict in M+ you just want the 3 damage ones, but even that is kind of sus depending on itemization of the actual dom pieces and the level of your gem
MAYBE Kyr is the only one that can slip through
modern brook
I know, but just went into mists 15 and healer left after first pull because I g...
You got melted cause u didn't press sb or cooldowns
Not cause of 3.5%passive dr
mighty valley
that first pull can also tear anyone up if there's no purges/dispels
we need a "don't make me tap the sign" meme
"it's not your vers"
jagged pier
u probably didnt SR the debuff @austere marsh
mellow bridge
tbh if I had to guess
you didnt use a defensive and stayed in way too long with necrotic
🤷♂️
fathom turtle
hey lightless force or celestial for m+? 🙂
fathom turtle
i dunno im just beginning to tank warri^^
modern brook
It doesn't matter a whole lot
Lf is slightly more damage in aoe
Celestial gives mainstat so it does a bit of everything
fathom turtle
ok thx. i also wanted to know if u just use mythic dungeon tools or have anything else what show u about % ?
untold blaze
guys any tips for Sylv mythic for p3 ?
taking huge dmg
also what is the best legendary for p3 ?
modern brook
ok thx. i also wanted to know if u just use mythic dungeon tools or have anythin...
Mdt is fine. There are other similar tools but they're all basically the same
primal cape
not getting any pleasure with this affix
unreal sequoia
So should I just use the three damage shards in m+? Or just two of them. I have a lot of 252 pieces without dom sockets, and I know they sim higher dps wise, just wondering about the defensive shards
also is phial at 252 better then ows at 233. Sims say yes. But the haste might be better?
cyan onyx
"it's not your vers"
strong forum
📌
unreal sequoia
@strong forum I see the pins, more so wondering at which point they become more valuable then ilvl. 239 with gem vs 252 ya know
strong forum
i was more referring to the "its not your vers"
thing
that should kinda be a pin
ah
strong forum
<@!192743144276623360> I see the pins, more so wondering at which point they bec...
they are more valuable than ilvl already at 226
even for m+
theyre fucking massive
sick sentinel
thats more or less exactly what happened with me as well
just, not playing it right
modern brook
10 tens
safe thistle
theres good key for this week, i like top this week
mist is always good on any affix too
lyric relic
i start m sylvanas soon and I’m scared trying to decide if swapping to kyrian/necro from Nf would be beneficial defensively vs the time investment to catch-up
modern brook
i start m sylvanas soon and I’m scared <:sadge:820202363359854633> trying to dec...
Not noticibly
If u wanna switch go wild but don't do it for an expected performance increase
lyric relic
I’m just a filthy min maxer trying to gauge the options
I know any covenant is clearable
just trying to snooze thru sylvanas and then go back to night fae for reclears
safe thistle
tried necro as a team player i totally hated it.
lyric relic
debating if podtender is even worth on prog, idk if sylvanas debuff drops off or not when I’m podded
safe thistle
no alar ? i still use it on some fight as a net 😛
unreal sequoia
Been kyrian for the last 2 months. Anyone got an argument for NF?
safe thistle
kyrian myself and i just love it too much, once 9.1.5 ill switch just to try it out though
blazing condor
Been kyrian for the last 2 months. Anyone got an argument for NF?
Not much more than preference rn anywya
Same dps
More or less
mighty valley
if you're NF you'll be able to turn into a little rat in 9.1.5
naive panther
I like the Chain interrupts of fae. Huge rage Gen too with last stand and conduit.
sick sentinel
i went ahead and got the blue necklace 230, had to buy it twice at 4k, cuz its random secondary when you buy it from ah some reason, don't see that until it comes in mail
hybrid violet
Is blue 230 neck worth it if I have a random neck with higher ilvl already?
sick sentinel
the one you have is higher ilvl? i'm not sure, but i'd say go with whatever was highest ilvl
hybrid violet
I have a 236 with Crit Mastery. So far I've always gone with highest ilvl. Haven't got to a point yet of being picky on secondary stats.
safe thistle
ilvl over everything but ya dont gimp your haste too much.
hybrid violet
What's an ideal point of haste to try and float around?
mighty valley
There isn't one, more is better, up until like... 40% pre-buff or something huge
hybrid violet
I think I'm around 19% haste and 13 sec recharge on shield block. Im not good enough for 100% uptime on SB but I usually have something like charge or intervene or a charge or SB available
Ah wow okay. One day...
mighty valley
There's also no "you must be this tall to ride" haste number either, just try and get your block % up with reprisal etc as best you can
i would take a 230 haste neck over your crit/mast one though
sacred timber
Can confirm, I tank +16s with 238 ilvl and 1% vers.
craggy pilot
You can probably go way higher than 16s
marsh aurora
I did a few 18-19 last week with 233 so yeah can do
It's just a lot more demanding and your dps falls off hard from dumping a lot of rage into ignore pain
sick sentinel
should i go ahead with trying to upgrade these shoulders? needs 2k to match ilvl of current, got 1500
that or this seems like good upgrades
mighty valley
personally holding all research for conduit upgrades, you can get better drops than this from a lot of places
but if you want a short term upgrade, those are good stats
sick sentinel
You guys deleted the state of prot warrior pin?
I was going to share it as it accurately describes basically everything about our spec so a non tank wow player could understand it. Hoping for a 9.1.5 or 9.2 one if is a possibility
plain shard
i went ahead and got the blue necklace 230, had to buy it twice at 4k, cuz its r...
Its not random you need to buy the specific one and not just search by name
regal basin
how good is the blood set vs unholy set?
is it worth it for the heal? i figured unholy would be better for dps, with the heal not being as good
i think i saw a 88k total healing from link, just wondering how that stacks up vs the damage that unholy gives( Was on H nine)
urban portal
Blood is bis for prot
mellow bridge
You can just sim it
But blood does more dmg than unholy for us
Assuming same rank, for diff ranks just sim it
crystal iris
pure DPS do you run Booming or BSC with seismic reverb as night fae?
there used to be a pin but i cant find it
sweet summit
bsc with seismic, always
crystal iris
ty
granite mortar
Any words of advice for killing Mythic Soulrender with only 1 dk?
shut summit
quiet crane
get em to run double grip leggo to
nocturne sage
is tarragre's grasp of death a non-tank only ability?
mighty egret
does aegis ignore necrotic?
strong forum
You guys deleted the state of prot warrior pin?
Should still be in #announcements
strong forum
does aegis ignore necrotic?
Yes
strong forum
Always is
orchid frigate
am i doing something wrong but the first packs in SD hurts pretty much (traps excluded). anything special i can think about during the first pulls there?
strong forum
Animate weapon
orchid frigate
prio target?
strong forum
Stun the cast
orchid frigate
oh
strong forum
Animate weapon does 100% magic dmg
strong forum
So you wanna stun the cast, the skirmishers won't recast it for 30 seconds
orchid frigate
nice nice ty!
strong forum
You can reflect 1 auto attack from an animate weapon, but it's just 1 auto attack
And the add disappears if the skirmishers dies
orchid frigate
always nice to reflect stuff, even if its just 1 auto attack 🙂
strong forum
Ya but it's useless in a sense that its useless dmg
You won't kill the animate weapon
ionic fern
Stun it..or die.
orchid frigate
ah
ionic fern
And don't rely on your DPS'ers to stun it - they don't know anything.
strong forum
You prevent the dmg on yourself sure, but the reflected dmg is pad
Cuz the weapon will just disappear anyway
orchid frigate
no they will just go "lol paper tank! l2p" if i take too much damage
strong forum
Just make it an interruptible spell
And not just a lol stun it or die, thing
Makes no sense
ionic fern
Atleast they don't re-cast it right after being stunned.
strong forum
Which is basically like a kicked cast
potent anvil
strong forum
But just make it kick able anyway..
potent anvil
Die animate weapon, die
strong forum
So it's more intuitive
ionic fern
So..where are we on the WA that's designed by tanks to DPS'ers in m+ that literally screams and makes the screen switch colors whenever something that's going to wreck tanks is being cast?
orchid frigate
🙂
orchid frigate
besides those first pulls i dont think SD is so bad after all. i rather go there than halls
ionic fern
I did a mists yesterday with double hunters..0 binding shots throughout the dungeon.
strong forum
SD is very chill besides first boss and 2nd
orchid frigate
haha
strong forum
Binding shot doesn't do damage bro
If we really have mages trying to justify not kicking because of a fireball cast, you'll see hunters do that for binding shit aswell
ionic fern
orchid frigate
gearing up a WW to get an insight on DPS life
ionic fern
Don't.
orchid frigate
will be interesting to see things from another perspective
orchid frigate
hmm maybe i should try arms in a couple of keys
jagged pier
i did 4 15s yesterday thats enough pugging for this week ppls dont have the dps
ionic fern
Expectations as a DPS - I'M GOING TO BLAST THIS DUNGEON AND INTERRUPT EVERYTHING TO SAVE MY TANK!!!
Reality as a DPS - Man..i have been queing for 2h straight and only getting declined..OH, i got into a group...damn, i died to something avoidable since i'm used to surviving it as a tank.
strong forum
Truuu
jagged pier
TRU
strong forum
When you're a tank 1 trick you die so often cuz shit actually can kill you as dps 
ionic fern
😂
jagged pier
When you're a tank 1 trick you die so often cuz shit actually can kill you as dp...
TRU
orchid frigate
wasnt havoc quite tanky in bfa?
orchid frigate
aah
orchid frigate
i dont dare to play on my DH now that momentum seems to be the go to
orchid frigate
oh?
strong forum
Momentum dh is best dh
orchid frigate
feel like i would ninja pull left right and center
ionic fern
Just dash around and hope for the best.
strong forum
feel like i would ninja pull left right and center
How
orchid frigate
proximity?
strong forum
Don't fel rush into the next pack done?
orchid frigate
hehe
strong forum
When are you ever fighting close to other packs
orchid frigate
oh?
strong forum
NF in raid, kyrian in keys cuz mikanikos
orchid frigate
i see
guess it will be my next project then
first planned on gearing a boomie but now im a bit turned off by the idea of playing one
then started with monk 🙂 actually having fun as brew with it
main plinth
Does someone know if heroic leap still works on jumping over spiked balls in P3 with painsmith ?
and which cds do you use in P2 when spiked balls come before the axe hit ? (except bop)
..or when axe hit and spiked balls overlaps ?
thanks indeed
gaunt dawn
Doesnt it rely on parry rng?
strong forum
Not worth the risk
jagged pier
Doesnt it rely on parry rng?
i think its something to do with peak of jump height and server tick time ive not tried it i might give it a go in my hc run tonight for funzzies
ionic fern
i think its something to do with peak of jump height and server tick time ive no...
The run where your guild carries me you mean?
ionic fern
😂
jagged pier
im not joking most of the main raiders dont bother comming even tho they still need dom piece
so it just like me some officers and plebs
im included in the plebs tbh
jagged pier
i wish
jagged pier
in ergas probably
ionic fern
👀
I mean..considering i do 3k ST DPS as Fury i don't think i would contribute much.
😂
jagged pier
erga and u cant carry me and mwahi
strong forum
Shut up
jagged pier
strong forum
You do more dps than me
jagged pier
u mean blood set makes me do like 100 dps more
strong forum
Still more
ionic fern
S K I L L
strong forum
And plenty for hc
jagged pier
might come anyway for funzzies gives me somthing to do
not do m+ anymore this week
unless skyhold weekly happening
ionic fern
Skyhold weekly IS happening.
jagged pier
POG
ionic fern
And yes, please come - i need to be carried.
halcyon shard
skyhold weekly where everyone is under 500 rio and 3 bosses in lfr cleared
with vers stack
jagged pier
pretty much
ionic fern
skyhold weekly where everyone is under 500 rio and 3 bosses in lfr cleared
LFR is hard, ok?
jagged pier
still time 15s tho
jagged pier
mwahi tanking this week?
ionic fern
No one wants to tank cause it's Necrotic, huh.
😂
Gonna be fun with triple spears and Sanguine tho.
halcyon shard
bro get my tank in
jagged pier
yah but if u have me and Nome and sarri or erga we blow up pack anyways so necro no issue
halcyon shard
and I am 0 xp protwarr
ionic fern
Sure.
halcyon shard
LETS GOOOOO
ionic fern
yah but if u have me and Nome and sarri or erga we blow up pack anyways so necro...
Who are you kidding - Erga ain't got time fo rus.
halcyon shard
can I prot with a two hander?
ionic fern
Yes.
jagged pier
Who are you kidding - Erga ain't got time fo rus.
true
ionic fern
You just need to stack leech enchants / items and pretend to be a BDK.
On a side note i finally got a 242 shield yesterday. So now i just have to replace my 203 trinket.
jagged pier
jagged pier
soon tm
orchid frigate
trying to get gear through farming dungeons feels so futile
jagged pier
ionic fern
Wat
strong forum
Do people still play tbc?
jagged pier
apprently
ionic fern
👍
orchid frigate
dont mind popping into classic for a couple of hours a year to get a dose of nostalgia
but cant play much more
what is the warlock slow called?
ionic fern
Curse of Exhaustion or something?
sick sentinel
ah yes, the famous one that reduces your speed TO uhh, what is it 70%? rather than by just a simple slow
so, even if they have giga movespeed buff it sets then to 80% base run
quick elk
How do you guys track how well you are mitigating dmg in M+ . Without asking the healer. Do you check shield block up time?
jagged pier
u log
blazing condor
log your run
jagged pier
theres no other way
quick elk
Yup and then you check shield blocks and such?
blazing condor
yep
jagged pier
yes
blazing condor
jagged pier
oh look its me
quick elk
Ah cool thanks
jagged pier
i will spare you the self-plug
strong forum
I track it by staring at the corpses of my enemies
quick elk
i am my own worst enemy so i guess i do that fairly well
ionic fern
^
I got like 5k i think.
@sweet summit is Skyholds wallet and the Protection team supporter since he ditches us all the time for gold.
blazing condor
He knows how life works
its like a sandwich
no matter how you twist, turn or flip it - the bread comes first
sick sentinel
had to buy 2 necklaces 230 for 4k each was part of it
and i mean, is money, comes and goes freely it seems
this is the other half of that equation that isn't like flasks and enchants and shit
ionic fern
😦
sick sentinel
between 25 and 31k gold
strong forum
Just get 1mil from pieces?
sick sentinel
gold has almost never been a concern for me
blazing condor
sick sentinel
if i have it cool, whatever, if i need it, i buy it, if i don't have any, too fuckin bad
strong forum
Ya same tbh
ionic fern
Mates rates
Can i get a Mythic boost plz. 5k upfront, 5k after all bosses killed.
strong forum
U wanna spend that 1m
Can I buy vip guardian matrix funnel with 100% guarantee? I have 14 copper
ionic fern
"Full cloth stack, no exceptions".
strong forum
Tedious yes, stopping you from doing 20s? No
subtle tulip
Aight fam, you give me motivation I need 😉
subtle tulip
its not hard
and thats what she said
sick sentinel
ionic fern
Aight fam, you give me motivation I need 😉
Do a dungeon or two and watch that motivation dissapear.
strong forum
Socket...
As much as it hurts
Ah
Nvm yes, 246 easily
Both have a socket so obv sin stained is bis
blazing condor
yeah
subtle tulip
Do a dungeon or two and watch that motivation dissapear.
I enjoy the tyran weeks way more. Fort + (inspiring, bolstering, enrage) just makes my warrior pp small 😦
sick sentinel
errant leaf
Fckin awful week you guys agree ?
sick sentinel
i think i was reading on wowhead that people who use this can clear stacks for me
so, rets and hunter
it does seem like it would have good chance to fail, because, like, when would they need to use potion that gains them 20% life and i also need the effect as well, but im also lowest hp? seems a bit wonky
blazing condor
dont think youd want to rely on that conduit
maybe in a coordinated group it'd be okay to make us of
but you shouldnt need it anyway
sick sentinel
if you knew the guy was running it and you were constantly monitoring tank hp/stacks and could call you were about to do it as dps for tank, would be fantastic
but, again, even then with voice, too ennnnhhhh
orchid frigate
is it true that the dungeon loot in GV is based on the dungeons you've done prior week?
jagged pier
no
mossy peak
false
mossy peak
black bear
orchid frigate
battlestar galactica
strong forum
Identity theft is a serious crime
jagged pier
actually best prank
orchid frigate
MICHAEL!
jagged pier
hand set second
sick sentinel
no idea what its about but its downloading some 105mb patch
blazing condor
updating lfg to include more shit people
sick sentinel
our hunter ran through the slime maze like 3 times before accepting mass rez from healer
you know those moments where you are doing some key and something happens and you are just like "oh no, this is where the depleting starts" is like that
mossy peak
the one time this entire expansion circumstances forced us to pug a tank, it was bolstering week and he pulled everything in the manastorm wing up to the tunnel entrance
sick sentinel
me and my old GM a blood DK both absolutely despised bolster by the end of bfa
we wouldn't even do keys those weeks
mossy peak
lets be clear here
soggy was in the wing
soggy + dental drill + a hundred spinny bois
and bolstering
jagged pier
that guy sounds like an idiot
mossy peak
then he quit after the wipe
sick sentinel
i lost track of the times i quit out of keys
mossy peak
here's how to get me to quit when i'm tanking:
- pull random shit constantly
sick sentinel
i've usually done something to bork the key
mossy peak
so you fuck up their key and then bail
jagged pier
just cause u doing somthing wrong doesnt mean u should leave
i only ever leave a key if other ppl do
sick sentinel
ah i'm a fisherman as kid, so i know sometimes in life you just have to let it go
wasn't meant to be
blazing condor
sometimes i leave if i know the key is fucked
and the reason im there is to push rio
not gonna waste my time
sick sentinel
sometimes, you just know someone is turning sour as the key fails more and is about to burst with rage
and so i do it to avoid that happening to group
mossy peak
i can guarantee you that however mad i am that a key is going poorly, someone rage quitting amplifies that ten times over
especially if they're the one who fucked it up in the first place
strong forum
I've never quit a key
mossy peak
that's not ripping a band aid so much as wrapping your taint hairs in duct tape and yanking that
strong forum
Unless someone else already left
Or it was mutually agreed that we wouldn't finish the key and go 1 key lower or somewhere else
sick sentinel
i try not to leave until other players have left, or we've already wiped twice before even engaging first boss
spent 10-15 minutes clearing trash to 2nd boss
mossy peak
that's even worse, the way this seasonal affix works you're way more likely to wipe early a few times than later
a key that's going really sour can turn around as soon as you get another power
no rhyme intended
sick sentinel
best key i've done is +9 2chest sanguine depth, in this season
sick sentinel
tormented is like the 8.3 thing couple of elites? is there a tank deleter one i need to look out for
i know for sure there was a tank delete guy with the portal mechanic
strong forum
They're pretty harmless
Only one that's slightly dangerous is the sword guy. He reduces healing taken and applies a dot
orchid frigate
yay topped the meters!
plush tendon
Guys, new tech to make this week fun, drop the healer and add a 4th dps
orchid frigate
yikes
plush tendon
you need a skilled group, but we two chested a nice 15 SD
gonna see how high we can get 😄
plush tendon
no, VDH, UDK, Frost Mage, Arcane Mage, MM hunter
modern brook
I've never quit a key
U dont pug
blazing condor
Imaging ninja leaving a skyhold key
plush tendon
Imaging ninja leaving a skyhold key
what a power move
plush tendon
wtb 5 warrior key
blazing condor
Cringe
jagged pier
they arent happy seeing 4 warriors
plush tendon
you guys can do it!
blazing condor
Imagine all the rally’s
plush tendon
stuff will die so fast
blazing condor
What do you even gain with more than 1 warr in m+
plush tendon
More dps
blazing condor
Except rally and piercing
plush tendon
duhhh
blazing condor
A million spears 
blazing condor
modern brook
plush tendon
I just prefer it; ill do slightly less damage, but i aint pushing world first keys over here
sick sentinel
5 paladin group
blazing condor
I have never even tried anything else than kyrian
So maybe ive been gimping myself
plush tendon
just wait till 9.1.5
blazing condor
But its been working so far
plush tendon
when itll be easy to swap around and try new things
modern brook
Kyrian has the only simp worthy soul bind tbh