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zenith vigil
strong forum
Both kyrian and NF are equal
thorn remnant
As a mechagnome, I am calculating my personal preferences. lol
keen harness
@thorn remnant do it, you wont
thorn remnant
<@!172522980985929738> do it, you wont
Get outta here, SHAMAN.
keen harness
I have a lvl 51 warrior. I threaded of the fate. kyrian OPOPOP
opal kettle
doing some off spec m+ prot tanking my trinkets are dog shit dps ones you think even the lfr version of aegis and matrix are worth it>?
jagged pier
what are your trinkets right now?
opal kettle
tormented rack frag and the one off morgeth i only picked this guy back up end of last season and ive just gotten 0 trinket drops anywhere
or in vault
i off spec loot during heroic and normal on those bosses and still shit
be like 13 ilvl and 20 ilvl drop on trinks but i figure effects worth it
jagged pier
aegis from lfr is still kind of worth
but in general if your sturggling trinkets wont help a whole lot
opal kettle
yeah just figured something i could do while regular raids are locked out for the week
copper pewter
Shield is treated separately for the personal loot trading from other weapons as it is off hand, right?
And we cant loot off hand weapons as fury
cedar spear
When playing AM do you hold Avatar for AA? It always lined up so nicely for Kyrian but ever since I'm NF I'm unsure what's better
zenith vigil
I don't
jagged pier
u dont
cedar spear
Okay, thanks
wooden crater
anyone playing necrolord tank here?
or in general have any opinion on the Glory legendary and it's gameplay/benefits?
jagged pier
Necro for raid is really good IF u can get the perfect scenario everytime, which honestly is a lot harded that it sounds, the gameplay of it to be honest from what ive hears from ppl (because i havent played it) its not worth the effort and its not as fun to play, also glory can only be used in raid, in mythic plus u loose too much with by loosing reprisal
sweet summit
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blazing dune
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oblique garnet
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sweet summit
thank u both 
jagged pier
^^
alpine shard
late keeping true to his name
sweet summit
late is a boomer? 
sweet summit
oh
wooden crater
@jagged pier that sounds fair. i thought for raid or mythic - with the right set up - it would do wonders. I don't know whether the conduit strenght buff is extended as well, I'm guessing not?
sweet summit
i think it does
oblique garnet
Only your own buff gets extended afaik
wooden crater
but strength buff does not carry over
is there a macro/weakaura to spot who received your buff?
oblique garnet
I think there is a public weakaura for it
strong forum
stray hemlock
latent pier
How ya guys like spear as prot? Kinda wanna try it next week but feel like I'll miss aftershock a lot.
digital arch
is this the best st for korain?
jagged pier
all left
wooden crater
@strong forum i downloaded the weakaura, but doesn't seem to work
wooden crater
good call!
i had a go at the load options, but still doesn't seem to proc @strong forum
strong forum
I can't really help you then, I'm not necro maybe @south yarrow can help you
south yarrow
wooden crater
o/
south yarrow
I'll just PM
sick sentinel
prot rbg can it work ?
blazing condor
Yes
turbid cipher
First Prot lego, should it be reprisal or Wall and slot (thinking reprisal/feet based on info since mainly dungeons)
turbid cipher
I guess there is no competition fro that slot for any shards either
sweet summit
nope
turbid cipher
coo, ty
sweet summit
lucky there
the wall is not so lucky tho, has to go on cloak if you want to craft it
turbid cipher
Yeah, my monk has lego on shoulders :/ bleah
autumn marsh
bis leggo for new prot warrior
sweet summit
reprisal
autumn marsh
ty
vital spade
Reprisal is absolutely sick
patent osprey
^
barren socket
man feels so shit to have a paladin as co-tank
i'm losing aggro like a mf
deals way too much dmg
chilly brook
is this the best st for korain?
Sir that's Mikanikos
latent pier
Does pika stream? I don't watch twitch much, but might to see some sick prot play.
worthy karma
Does pika stream? I don't watch twitch much, but might to see some sick prot pla...
Hell yeah he does! I think it’s plkatv mans legendary. It’s also in his raiderio bio
latent pier
very nice. Should help me improve by watching him :D
Prot's so fun, brewmaster gets dull now.
worthy karma
Yeah I feel that I swapped to warrior from brewmaster and now don’t even enjoy looking at other tanks
sick sentinel
So I see the guides say NF and kyrian are equal but most are kyrian, is there any reason why?
worthy karma
And spear has been pumping lately
modern brook
So I see the guides say NF and kyrian are equal but most are kyrian, is there an...
No
sweet summit
highest simming talent for single target damage
sweet summit
higher sb uptime without spending rage on it=more rage to spend on revenge and higher SS damage
cinder nova
Might give that a try
zenith vigil
you really don't need to unless you're pushing 23+
AM will offer the average player a lot more
cinder nova
Not talking m+
sweet summit
or just guessing
zenith vigil
oh
cinder nova
Kek
sweet summit
sweet summit
ran it in a hc boost today
want too bad
but missed AM 
got rank 10 guardian tho 
its rank 11 now sad !
cyan onyx
Ele shaman does good damage but is kind of boring imo
worn timber
@sweet summit here I am ^^
worn timber
Tanks who kite <:Pepexecute:595606525272391710>
i don't know what your topic is at the moment, but i liked the old style tanks, that are like a wall, and NOT running away from mobs like "omg I am afraid to die, help meeee" --- my gosh warriors are BRAVE!
in wotlk I could tank away 50% of inc dmg with my mastery = blocking
oblique garnet
@sweet summit did you stop sandbagging with venthyr
sweet summit
i might swap for sylvanas
dont know to what tho
might try kyrian
havent been that yet
onyx vessel
Venthyr prot 
oblique garnet
you wanna come and grind renown with me? @sweet summit
doing some fun torghast :))
high folio
is the physical damage from obliterate on guardian bloackable?
sweet summit
if i were to grind renown id do comp stomp
but also need to kill fatescribe and KT first
latent pier
doesn't that take longer than speed blitzing torg?
onyx vessel
Torghast speeds are pretty quick
oblique garnet
not on shaman with unlucky powers 
sweet summit
is the physical damage from obliterate on guardian bloackable?
no, but sunder is
????
shaman is so disgustingly broken in torghast
onyx vessel
oblique garnet
what spec?
potent anvil
Is the reactive defense matrix any good?
oblique garnet
literally gotten 0 good powers
sweet summit
ye deswind
oblique garnet
in coldheart
high folio
no, but sunder is
damn okay, the initial physical damage from obliterate just hurts a lot
its nearly one shotting me trying to figure out what to do about it
high folio
i mean fair but im like 2% hp lmao
only thing i can think of is hold demo shout for it but thats a fatty dps loss
high folio
lmao
how do yall deal with it?
im trying to figure out if im fucking it up or if not enough people are soaking
sweet summit
we have half the raid in each group on hc
and immune on mythic
high folio
hmm
okay
im taking about 30 from physical and another 40k from the magic
12 man raid
sweet summit
i took an average of 20k phys and 15k magic
high folio
dont know what i did different there but it was much more manageable
sweet summit
it was in you all along
fringe marten
You ascended and became SafeDolan
lilac bloom
for h sylvanas on p3.. if u taking wailing arrow.. do u collect the banshee pruple thing or wait till after then collect the whole banshee
sweet summit
you collect when you go over for wailing arrow ye
lilac bloom
ya
sweet summit
but there is one overlap where the aoe thing is happening right after arrow
so just keep that in mind so you dont wipe the raid trying
lilac bloom
thats the furry thing
i just dont pick up the purple b4 that cast about to happen
u know when she does heartseeker and it puts a banshee bane debuff on you... how long till it expire and explode the raid
i dont see any timer on the debuff
candid inlet
When should I run bsc vs bv in keys? is it just a preference thing?
sweet summit
i dont see any timer on the debuff
in p3? when you get dispelled
candid inlet
I basically only do keys, so I just sit on BSC?
lilac bloom
yay well.. it leaves a dot on you one u get heartseeker
but i suppose to go to the corner to get it dissapled. or do i collect more pools then go the corner
that i dont understand if i should get more pools or go to the corner b4 timer expire
by that time more pools spawn.. and it just ruined it all so .. just got to make sure what ihave to do
fringe marten
Eddie, for me while tanking it's : Get wailing arrow, insta move to jump to next platform...cotank taunts, soak puddles while arrow counter going down...when arrow hits 0, get hit...She starts casting raze..fly back over get dispelled insta by 1 healer waiting for me, then we both jump back.
lilac bloom
the video on slyvanus never tells u what to do with the main take when he gets taunted off.. is he suppose to go collect the other pools or he just go and get it dissplled
fringe marten
On the overlap when you get arrow, and she's about to raze platform a bit after.
lilac bloom
ok.. but do i have to taunt for heartseekrs too
fringe marten
So you presoak the next platform for your raid; and jump over clean.
fringe marten
Yeah..the 3 stack?
modern brook
I basically only do keys, so I just sit on BSC?
fringe marten
yeah..you do NOT wanna be taking multiple hits.
THe way it's supposed to work..
she 3stacks you..then you run around soaking, go to a corner, get dispelled all while other tank is 'tanking' her.
then he (or you depending on when in rotation) will get his 3 stack, and if there's nothing to soak...he just runs into your old puddles/corner gets a dispel and re-stacks them there.
lilac bloom
ok i got u
fringe marten
You don't want to 'spread' the puddles..you run into the middle of the previous bunch of puddles and just get your dispel...then charge out to sylvanas so you don't pick up any stacks as you run out.
always charge/intervene out to get out of the puddle corner quickly.
lilac bloom
ok got u
thx
there's thhat thing when u dont pick up the purples.. or else u die from it.. i think its the furry
fringe marten
Furries..are always scary.
blazing condor
there's thhat thing when u dont pick up the purples.. or else u die from it.. i...
If someone in the group got stacks of the puddles when banshee’s fury is done casting it deals a chunk of damage for each stack on the raid
so thats why you need to have people dispelled
zenith vigil
I basically only do keys, so I just sit on BSC?
Yes
craggy pilot
whats best to use Valor on after wep+shield? Should i save it up for trinkets?
craggy pilot
wdym armor? is there anything specific to go for?
jagged pier
more strength and armour is better than trinkets
woven bear
How do you deal with deathlinks on the eye mythic? IP enough or cd + external cd?
jagged pier
SR and IP is enough
craggy pilot
more strength and armour is better than trinkets
ah ok, so not rings i guess 😄
also, in M+ is it better to go for ilvl than dom sockets?
fx 226 + dom vs 236 ?
or does the ilvl have to be higher for it to matter?
239+dom vs 252
jagged pier
also, in M+ is it better to go for ilvl than dom sockets?
dom socket at like rank3 gem is worth all the ilvl
like lfr with max gems is probs better than 252
craggy pilot
also in M+?
jagged pier
yes
jagged pier
thers a list in the pins
craggy pilot
i know the list, but just thinking Kyr is worth more ilvl than fx Jas
strong forum
The leech and speed ones are obv not worth any ilvl
craggy pilot
not thinking about those for M+ 😄
thinking these:
Shard of Kyr
Shard of Dyz
Shard of Cor
Shard of Bek
Shard of Jas
strong forum
Yes, that's the order
craggy pilot
but is a 226 dom socket with Jas better than a 252?
gives like 400 hp, and a little more healing received? 🤔 vs a ton of str and armor and stam
strong forum
Ah that one, no I don't think it's worth 26ilvl
Don't think that one is worth any ilvl
13ilvl is alot of stam and Str
craggy pilot
ye ok, so might be better off having just 3-4 sockets in M+?
3 dps shards, and Kyr
craggy pilot
not gonna get 252s 😄
strong forum
But the other 4 sockets are worth losing ilvl for
craggy pilot
max gonna get 239 from HC
ok
just thinking you lose quite a bit of surv, for a tiny bit of deeps
strong forum
You get up to like 10% or more dps from those shards
4 armor pieces ain't gonna give you 10% dps
Or the massive dmg reduction that kyr is
craggy pilot
just had a GM in my guild say that dropping ilvl in M+ is not worth 😄
just wanted someone to reassure that i was right in saying he is wrong
jagged pier
then he is dumb
strong forum
Maff too hard
strong forum
It's only several % increases per shard bro, 13ilvl gives you totally multiple %of dmg
:))
jagged pier
craggy pilot
ok so, for M+ i want
2 frost
2 blood
1 unh
correct?
and for Raid i want 3 blood (for tank)
3 unh (for dps)
ish
jagged pier
u can only have 5 slots
craggy pilot
so what should i focus upgrading first 🤔 so i get both a set bonus and a dps bonus
jagged pier
and blood is more than unholy
craggy pilot
ye for tank
jagged pier
and the other 2 slots u run the frost dps 1 and the unholy dps one
craggy pilot
but for dps arms, unh is still top right?
jagged pier
probs
craggy pilot
just wanna upgrade my gems somehow so i can multiclass
strong forum
Be me, multispec without any shards
jagged pier
theres no point set is based off lowest gem of the 3
strong forum
craggy pilot
theres no point set is based off lowest gem of the 3
yea, thats why i wanted to fx upgrade 3 blood shards first? 🤔
craggy pilot
it seems blood set and unh set are quite close in DPS now tho, but cant figure if i wanna wait for the helmet 😄
craggy pilot
but if i wanna upgrade Unh set + M+ shards, then i need to upgrade like 7 gems 😄
brisk sparrow
sorry if that is not really the best place to ask but I have trouble making up my mind - In a m+ scenario with pugs and a mage friend - do you think it would be more beneficial to go dh tank? I feel like that is more failsafe if you can't count on the healer since warriors can't sustain themselves as easily
strong forum
Welcome to the shit show that are shards
craggy pilot
fk shards 😄
strong forum
sorry if that is not really the best place to ask but I have trouble making up m...
Play whatever you wanna play, objectively DH is easier to play than pwar, but if you play it well it won't make any difference wherether your healer is good or not
If your healer sucks you will die on any tank outside of cds
Choosing your class based on the low performance of others is just stupid imo
brisk sparrow
welll obviously I am not playing perfect either... I am just thinking about it increasing the chance of timing keys and maybe even benefiting my mage friend a little more^^
craggy pilot
just play druid, if you want high chance of timing keys
you will get invited more as well
FOTM spec
brisk sparrow
I really don't enjoy druid anymore and the real benefit of druid is 3 minute bigpulls which are quite impossible with pugs I feel like^^
brisk sparrow
thank you guys 🙂 I guess I will stick to warrior then, since it is the tank I enjoy the most and just get better to increase my chances^^
craggy pilot
good boy ❤️
how does the 2week daily Covenant switch thing work?
is it only when switching back to something you have already been once?
amber herald
brisk sparrow
if you switch back to a covenant you have already been before you have to do 2 weekly bars
otherwise you just instantly get invited to the party
strong forum
Covenants don't care about seasons
worn timber
Question:
Last night somone mentioned , that prot is doing nice dmg now
post here: #fury message
can you tell me which talents, soulbind (NF), Rotation I have to use, to do that much dmg?
something special with stats?
If there is a sticky for doing dmg like that, you are welcome to post it to me 🙂 thx for your advice
I did not tank for a longer time now, but I really want to learn it again 🙂 thx for help
worn timber
korayn soulbind
ah okay, same like fury NF in m+
zenith vigil
and best served cold talent, ravager, anger management
if you look at your talent tree as a rows and columns
3 1 1 1 2 3 1
worn timber
ah nice one moment, ingame - will do that right away
legendary? i still have only wall
worn timber
urgh >_< I hate devestate... no longer used to it... long time ago
zenith vigil
the ability?
jagged pier
that dps in that screenshot is pretty low
worn timber
that dps in that screenshot is pretty low
xD
zenith vigil
when you take that talent it goes away
worn timber
the ability?
yes
zenith vigil
yes its gone when u take devastator talent
worn timber
when you take that talent it goes away
ah did not read, it was diferent through the years - i remeber , sometimes i had to use devestate, sometimes i had talents that removed it
worn timber
korayn soulbind
which conduits?
zenith vigil
that part is in the guide
worn timber
kk
craggy pilot
damn raid tanking is weird when used to having Ravager 😄
mellow bridge
thought there was a time dropoff
well kinda
blizz reset your "traitor" status when s2 came out
so if you were e.g. kyrian in s1 and left them, that status reset
so now you can just join them instantly
if you do it again however, you will have the 2 weeks lockout
craggy pilot
ahh
so i think i would be able to get back to Kyr for free then
nice
anyone know if theres a WA that will /say when you ate your last cookie? 😄
kinda beneficial for M+
finite vine
if you have shield block up and charge, the charge should deal 250% more damage. thoughts?
zenith vigil
what
blazing condor
Are you suggesting this to be a new thing, or asking if this is an already existing thing?
finite vine
to be a new thing, because ramming into someone with a shield would hurt more
zenith vigil
we already puuuuuuuuuuuuuump compared to some classes
ur not wrong, but where you gettin that rage on pull
heh
blazing condor
It would be more flavorful if it would consume a shield slam proc to give charge more damage
Not that i think itd be a good addition
But itd be cool 
strong forum
if you have shield block up and charge, the charge should deal 250% more damage....
Shield charge used to be a thing, yes
finite vine
strong forum
Was very op in pvp
plush tendon
Shield charge used to be a thing, yes
You know, reprisal is kind of like a shield charge
craggy pilot
anyone know if theres a WA that will /say when you ate your last cookie? 😄
blazing condor
No idea
Maybe im old fashioned but i feel like just learn to look at your stones every now and then and its no problem
brisk sparrow
it should be the same typ of thing as kyrian potions, right?
I have a weak aura that shows me the cd and begins to glow when there is only one charge left... there is an option to check for item count and include charges
craggy pilot
Maybe im old fashioned but i feel like just learn to look at your stones every n...
i mean, i want to let the warlock know to put a new healthstone
without having to type it out every time 😄
brisk sparrow
you can attach a chat message to it of course^^
blazing condor
Ah you mean like that
Just create three macros for the healthstones with a chat message for 1,2,3 then use them correctly
Jk i honestly dunno but theres probably a WA for it
craggy pilot
whats the pros/cons of NF vs Kyr as prot?
are they VERY similar? or why are most people going towards NF?
strong forum
most people are kyr
and its literally just potion vs soulshape and tether vs knockdown
craggy pilot
ye i feel like knockdown is only good for castheavy packs
and tether is good on any pack
strong forum
thats it, alot of the people that are NF are usually also arms mains for raid
craggy pilot
but even Arms dps difference is so small now a days
strong forum
yes
craggy pilot
and Arms M+ is Kyrian best it seems
strong forum
also yes
craggy pilot
and i feel like everyone trigger happy with their Interrupts, so NF doesnt rly help much
people still using their interrupts on stuff standing in 
tropic gorge
mornin team warrior
for every interupt heavy group i get in, either on my mage or warrior, i seem to get into 3 or 4 groups where i feel like the only interupter
i have plater set to show interupts on the bar to help me know if i'm the only one
zenith vigil
i mean
if you're not on discord telling them constantly to interrupt
that's on you
bright flax
Low lvl keys, high chance of nobody interrupting (knowledge issue)
Mid lvl keys, more people are willing to interrupt and you might end up wiping cuz no interrupts available
High lvl keys, people are more likely to only interrupt priority casts or when called
Im sure theres a bias on what I said and theres always that time you get a mage that will not counterspell or wtv
The main point is that is a group effort, so if you want it well done you gotta use comms and plan/call for it
Low, mid and high is also just relative, you can trade "keys" for "player/class experience" and it will fit
lofty thistle
Nf knockdown really makes the lich wing in ToP alot easier
zenith vigil
I can't decide whether to play warlock or ele sham as my dps alt
plush tendon
Shaman: totally underrated class
lofty thistle
Ele is one of the most visually satisfying classes to play
dark canopy
Hey quick question. I have to replace a tank tonight in raid. When gearing for it should i go for ilvl>versa in general or not?
patent osprey
just straight ilvl @dark canopy
patent osprey
mm with rings and neck u can lose a little ilvl for haste verse but most of the time ilvl is king
like if you want to go 246 haste verse vs. 252 crit mast neck or ring that's fine but don't do like a 226 ring with haste verse for a 252
patent osprey
ye
in my experience raid is more about SB uptime against boss melee and more about cds during big hits than how much verse ur wearing
ancient lantern
any tips on tanking HoA? Is The Wall legendary any good there?
patent osprey
not worth to lose reprisal
but don't try to ever take gargons, just kit them if you don't have a cd up and your tram needs to focus interrupts on obliterates especially during raging
as long as your always focused on oblit/garg it's really easy
craggy pilot
why the fk is HC Raid so hard to pug... even as tank theres never any grps up, and when i join they disband after 1 person fucks up...
first 5 bosses or so ez, but then Pain forward is just wipe upon wipe
cinder nova
Might be getting unlucky.
cinder nova
Alternatively, start your own group and curate the raid to your specs.
craggy pilot
then got 0 bosses in like last 3 hrs
blazing condor
Its also one of those things where you wont get invited to good groups until you are also curved. Meaning you get stuck with people who are worse
cinder nova
Why are you wearing a heart.
wooden radish
@ionic fern
blazing condor
Trinkrt aint bis if youre not doing 25+ dungeons
cinder nova
^
blazing condor
And even then its not really bis per se
remote python
ionic fern
<@!238357283996696576>
Hi Lincoln. 
blazing condor
cinder nova
It went down wearing a 236 trink compared to the 213
OH WAIT
I gotta zoom
Yeah use the anime emmitter
blazing condor
I was bouta say haha
blazing condor
Good morning sweaty
remote python
trinket 213 = 1458 str trinket 236 = 1475
craggy pilot
"anime" emitter kekw
iron ravine
Quick question for the fellow kyrian tanks, with the final mikankos trait, whats the cooldown reduction on the spear?
modern brook
3627 vigor let's go
strong forum
Quick question for the fellow kyrian tanks, with the final mikankos trait, whats...
Just as much as the tooltip says
5sec per enemy up to 20sec
woven bear
@jagged pier the spreadsheet says Deathlink is physical, so SR doesn't work right?
strong forum
Then 4
cinder nova
<@!179993058186625025> the spreadsheet says Deathlink is physical, so SR doesn't...
That's not how it works, my dude.
I mean, yes, it wont DR. But effects that do physical damage exclusively can be reflected.
woven bear
@cinder nova Yeah, then I guess I don't yet understand SR completly
cinder nova
You are correct that Spell Reflect wont provide any protection against Deathlink due it to being physical damage, and not some kind of magical damage. But there are physical attacks that we can deflect or reflect, so it may pay to not immediately assume because an attack is a physical one that it can't be reflected.
woven bear
"Raise your shield reflecting spells cast on you and reducing magical damage you take by 20%. Lasts 5 sec or until a spell is reflected." - So deathlink won't get reflected - as you said - and I wont get reduced because it's phys
So I'm wondering why I should use SR on deathlink
sweet summit
spell reflect will not do anything against deathlink
cinder nova
Didn't think so.
woven bear
No. I asked in this channel today how to handle deathlink, if IP is enough or if you use a external cd or so and Jakey answered, IP and SR are enough
cinder nova
🤔
I mean, your Demo Shout lines up with every Deathlink
And padding with IP or just dumping Wall will do fine as well
woven bear
okay. Does Deathlink damage get reduced by Demo Shout?
sweet summit
all damage you take from enemies with demo shout debuff gets reduced
cinder nova
^
Magic, phys, emotional damage.
It's all reduced.
But the emotional damage still hurts the worst : (
inland raft
so we running bv in keys with kyrian now since lines up with spear in aoe?
jagged pier
only if u run EM
craggy pilot
is unh set decent for Prot Raid?
jagged pier
not as good as blood
jagged pier
no blood just does more for us
craggy pilot
because its pure drain? and the other one is stats?
jagged pier
🤷
sweet summit
because its pure drain? and the other one is stats?
basically yea
craggy pilot
how big diff is it tho?
craggy pilot
but that only shows the dps 😮
sweet summit
that's the point
craggy pilot
ah ok thx 🙂
cinder nova
Has anyone tried to double 3p yet?
I'm still fishing a mail belt
See if it's possible
sweet summit
both sets bonuses get disabled
craggy pilot
can i Reflect anything on Guardian?
cyan onyx
I have a 233 Scale, a 252 OPC and a 252 decanter of Anima charged winds. Which ones should I use?
Sims were no help lol
sweet summit
can i Reflect anything on Guardian?
no
elfin nova
@craggy pilot (you should still use it for the DR for oblit though)
cyan onyx
honestly if you aren't dying I'd just use double dps
Sounds good!
craggy pilot
<@!270309256471773194> (you should still use it for the DR for oblit though)
ah so you can Reflect it?
craggy pilot
ah, that was kinda what i was asking 😄
which one do i reflect then? The sunder or the oblit?
or both?
elfin nova
ye
craggy pilot
what do i do for the other ones? 🤔 should i go the wall so i can have it up for every Oblit?
blazing condor
Got OWS from my first sylvanas kill
its big in m+ for sure but how about st? do we got any numbers?
zenith vigil
It's 200 haste dude
elfin nova
@craggy pilot for mythic right? i can answer in a bit raiding right now
zenith vigil
Thats it that's the whole shebang
elfin nova
for ST you can just sim it
sweet summit
@blazing condor 
sweet summit
its ok i have it but it took a too many kills
blazing condor
but sorry idk much about dps trinkets n shid
how good is it?
obviously its a sim thing but just in general idrk
craggy pilot
<@!270309256471773194> for mythic right? i can answer in a bit raiding right no...
nah on HC
but killed him now no problem 🙂
blazing condor
does it outperform phial etc?
sweet summit
depends
i have a metric fuckton of haste so its worse than 233 sack and 246 phial for st damage
zenith monolith
Guys just picking up warrior since 9.1 launch. Can someone plz give me a tldr talents , cov and leggo ? Many changes to 9.0 ?
blazing condor
@zenith monolith
the guide can convey info in a more concise and better way than us
i guess im gonna have to try it out at least im sure it'll do better than my AFE
sweet summit
3-1/3-1/2-2-2-1/3-1/2/3
kyrian/night fae
reprisal
no changes
zenith monolith
oh sorry thought he said 8.0
Lolz
blazing condor
depends
i have a metric fuckton of haste so its worse than 233 sack and 246 phia...
it aint that good for arms tho right haste aint that big?
sweet summit
its extremely good for both dps specs
outer plume
I’ve been going back and forth between Ravager and ItF in keys, with HR…ItF seems to feel better, is there any recent theorycrafting on this? Playing Kyr with Reprisal currently, Mik tree
jagged pier
I’ve been going back and forth between Ravager and ItF in keys, with HR…ItF seem...
ITF will alwys be better because it gives u more SS procs
therefore making HR better
outer plume
So with optimal play, ItF/HR should result in higher SB uptime and more rage gained. That’s what it seemed like but you know how feelycrafting is
cinder nova
You should absolutely be able to hit 100%
outer plume
The haste from ItF should make it easier to accomplish though, by lowering recharge time on SB, to clarify my statement
inland raft
Both are nice to play depending on personal preference
cinder nova
I mean, yeah, but you're not running HR for anything but ST parsing, ball-bustingly hard-hitting fights like M Danny prog, or really high keys.
Also the haste from ITF doesn't breakpoint SB iirc
So that's not really true.
inland raft
Some people really hate itf some people really like it
Beauty of prot is theres choice
cinder nova
I mean, yeah, but not all choices created equal.
You can quantify which are better and where.
inland raft
In this case they pretty much are even sims for st and cleave place them practically identical
At least in keys
We in a really good spot
valid summit
hey guys on an orc prot warrior, is King's defender or Warbringer from thrallmar rep better?
zenith vigil
Imagine taking itf when sexy ass ravager exists
inland raft
Itf is fun too but ya rav is fun i like both
But it really is subjective
Which is a good thing
Never fun to feel forced to pick copy pasta talents
high folio
You ascended and became SafeDolan
worthy karma
I like ravager M+ just because I toss it around to pull packs and use it as an aggro generator at the start or an M+ pull
inland raft
I think most people prefer ravager foe the playstyle
Aoe threat and rage generator that justfire off
high folio
i think ITF is better and more rage gen overall in raids
but ravager is far superior in keys
inland raft
Its more overall rage but rav is more on demand rage
At least feom the few times ive bothered to check logs in m+ which isnt often
And on demand rage is generally more useful
strong forum
na ravager is more rage, but in ST ITF is just more damage
high folio
i gotcha
strong forum
the run i accidentally ran ITF+EM i generated abysmal rage compared to Ravager + Reprisal
like
insane amounts less rage
talking 50% here
inland raft
Idk i had logs where ahowed itf consistent more overall
Its weird
I agree rav feels nicer in general though
And feels is a large part of being good
strong forum
in a 19min run i generated 9.7k rage with Rav+Rep, in that 29min run with ITF+EM i only had 10.5k
10min difference but only 800 rage
fucking dumb how much rage reprisal and rav are
inland raft
With itf i feel like im spamming the shit out of ss barely having globals to revenge since hit 50% haste
strong forum
i had almost 14cpm on SS in that ITF run
and it did not feel like i didnt have enough globals
like
i generated 1.3k rage in 19min with ravager
from just ravager alone
thats the ITF run
ravager
inland raft
I dont realy do keys anymore and when i fo im normally arms so i sont have a large dataswt to pull with i just know with itf and rav my overal is basically the same and i somehow feel tankiet with itf, but rav feels more fun
So idk
Last season i swapped a shitton between them
strong forum
not having ravager felt abysmal to me
inland raft
When did keys more often
strong forum
like actual trash
fluid wraith
plka described itf as lazy man’s ravager for keys
inland raft
Im on team ravager myself but i play both, and enjoy both, but i fully on board with why people dislike itf
Rav is high on demand rage aoe threat and another button to press
strong forum
its playable, defo, how else could i do over 7k dps with it
but im not gonna say its good in keys
inland raft
I think it just comes down to recommendation is play ravager but if really like itf then play it
strong forum
obv
blazing condor
do yall stack the entire group for one ad then switch for m eye?
or split groups?
jagged pier
we switch
plush tendon
18-2 split is what we do
jagged pier
10-10
cerulean barn
Looking to get some info on Prot. I typically only play arms/fury and would like to dable into the Prot world. what would be my main stat priority, as well as Rotation for survivability.
blazing condor
Looking to get some info on Prot. I typically only play arms/fury and would like...
ilvl > Haste > vers > Mastery=Crit for stats
id recommend checking the pins in here and looking at the icy veins guide for more detailed info
jagged pier
do we stay as tanks?
if your switching the tanks stay
jagged pier
i believe any strat u do the tansk stay
blazing condor
yeah
solemn current
i believe any strat u do the tansk stay
There's definitely strats that work perfectly fine having tanks swap with their group.
blazing condor
18-2 split is what we do
do yall swap healer on single group too?
plush tendon
do yall swap healer on single group too?
The tank healer does swap
I think the short of it is, do a swap of some sort to reset stacks
blazing condor
yeah we're tryna work out the healer swap rn
ocean yoke
everyone but me and the other tank swapped for ours
blazing condor
without leaving the tank too starved
plush tendon
We had 4 healers; the tank healer got the short end of it
Cause it’s me as a BDK and VDH
Literal 0 fun for him
And at around 40% health on add 2, the range burn the other target
jagged pier
blazing condor
yeah thats still a dub
we take those
but would be more fun with a bit faster progressing guild
jagged pier
we have it now
but we didnt go for curve because most of our casters didnt want he in loot table for the vault
so we only got it last week
blazing condor
yeah true tbh
ows is pretty neat
im just tryna get my mythic aegis
then im pretty satisfied
blazing condor
Dont even got one to begin with
My loot drought really got me playing dps instead for the first time in a decade
If you dont count glad stance in wod
jagged pier
^^
strong forum
Ya but the only thing was you couldn't turn it off inside combat, but since m+ drops combat you could choose to have multiple tanks, or if you run double glad you could switch roles for every pack
Lol
jagged pier
it was a talent not a stance dont forget
strong forum
Well technically it was a stance after you picked the talent
You could opt out of the stance outside of combat, but were hardlocked into the stance during combat
crystal nexus
quick question for Remnant of Ner`Zhul Mythic. His Helm of suffering (starting at 80%). The guide says that the helm will aim his suffering and the closesd player who stays near the helm, in our raid the Helm ALWAYS aims at the Boss.
Is there some kind of bug, or are we missing something or was there a hotfix we missed?
This behavor makes is nearly impossible to hit the 3 orbs oO
ocean yoke
only seemed on the boss when we were pulling it this week, i was usually always able to get all 3
the hitbox is super generous
jagged pier
its ez
u put the boss inbetween the 2 and point the boss at the one outside
u will always hit all 3
crystal nexus
so boss between orb 1 and 2 and aiming boss to orb 3 works more or less every time?
ocean yoke
pretty much yep
crystal nexus
cool thank you 🙂
slate sandal
Is necro good for prot? I know Keiran is best
chrome falcon
Define good
It's fun and weird
If you like breath of sindragosa you'll like the legendary
But night fae and kyrian require less brainpower and teamwork and you get to press a big aoe burst button
jagged pier
in raid its theorically the best if u can get the best case secanrio every time, but u loose reprisal in raid
whihc i spretty big
and u cant run glory in m+ so its kinda bad there
chrome falcon
I've timed 20s running glory in m+ but it's almost definitely worse than reprisal
I do actually think the legendary is very good in raids
craggy pilot
how does the tank swap work on Sylv? 🤔
jagged pier
every 3
craggy pilot
ye thats what i did, and then it ended up with me getting every single wailing arrow
is that normal?
jagged pier
yer that happens
jagged pier
we just yolo it everytime tbh
craggy pilot
Keiran is da best man
chrome falcon
TRUE
craggy pilot
he the man
jagged pier
i mean its subjective
chrome falcon
BANNERGANG RISES
craggy pilot
we just yolo it everytime tbh
wdym yolo? 😄
chrome falcon
The guide was before mikky tbf
chrome falcon
I think mikky kinda pushes it over the edge to kyrian but it's so minor
Also: I don't know how to numerically prove this so I might be wrong but I honestly think that Glory is just great in raids in terms of how many stats you get for like 1 minutes and the rage generation
jagged pier
but do you have to taunt when the tank gets wailing arrow?
we literally just taunt randomly
she doesnt move platform
chrome falcon
Yeah sylvanas is literally a nightmare to tank if anyone has a strategy for that then lmk
Sylvanas does follow you sometimes in p1
It's just a barely functional encounter in terms of tanking and positioning
craggy pilot
ye i just tried first time on HC and was like wtf
chrome falcon
I have absolutely had her follow me all around the platform
chrome falcon
I've also had her auto shot and tankbust me from the other side of the fucking instance
Don't try to actually work out what she's doing, just taunt when the other tank looks like they're fucked
And spell reflect when she does the triple shot
craggy pilot
ah makes sense
need to make use of Spell Reflect more often
also
just saw this, is soolo tanking sylv possible? 🤔
chrome falcon
Yup
You just take a shitload of damage and dots
And the last phase gets funky
But there's no mechanic that makes it impossible
craggy pilot
ah she doesnt switch platform when you leave for wailing? 😄
ocean yoke
she hangs out while casting the others
safe thistle
its not that hard sylvanas build stack for heartseeker just taunt after her 3 burst and in p1 theres a point where she goes up to 6 stacks due to mechanics that prevent her from doing it and you gonna taunt swap quick.
woven bear
How's reactive defense matrix? Good trinket or garbage?
ocean yoke
excellent
ocean yoke
yeah the uptime is good, its usually between 200-400 dps and hps dpending on content
the 239 was about 300 of both last raid of mine
woven bear
224 on mythic the nine for me. Not that bad
ocean yoke
being dps and hps for it is really nice throughput overall
really nice for m+ too, even higher in that. running shard/matrix is nuts
woven bear
I'm just not sure what trinkets to use in raid. I got a scale, weave of fates, aegis, phial, cube, decanter from soulrender
For m+ I use scale and aegis
@ocean yoke don't you use scale for m+?
ocean yoke
nah i dont like double on use and ive also never gotten a scale lol
rich sorrel
how much % shield block uptime is actually good in a key?
ocean yoke
i would give matrix/shard a go and check your overall after, itll be pretty high numbers
err shard
woven bear
@rich sorrel better look at the % of melee hits you blocked, that should be at 80 or more
thorny stone
should i equip the sin stained pendant? or should i farm the one from tazavesh until 9.2?
dusky mica
equip the sin stained pendant
craggy pilot
anyone have any idea of how to find an active raid grp without joining a new guild? 🤔
currently my guild are raiding on days i cant attend, but dont want to leave as i have been here 3yrs or so 🤔
safe thistle
then join pugs in the raid finder
craggy pilot
thats what i do, but takes ages to find grp
and then they disband after 1 pull
spent like 9 hrs killing 2 bosses...
safe thistle
as a tank make one yourself
dont take scrub
check ilvl of the group you join when you get into one
that theres no carry
craggy pilot
but even for tank, theres like 3 grps up for fx Painsmith
so few grps up in LFR it seems
craggy pilot
im talking heroic here
found good grp for full clear, but they ended after 1 wipe on Painsmith
then been struggling to find grps for Guardian, KTZ and Sylv the rest of the evening
safe thistle
tuesday is the day for pugging
safe thistle
everyone does it at reset
safe thistle
then your reset day is the best day for it
craggy pilot
if i was able on Wed, i would do raid with my guild
guess ill try to pug Thursday from now on
safe thistle
normally thats the day you get well geared ppl just wanting some trinket or other piece and that they already do mythic but not heroic anymore in guild
craggy pilot
hm ye ok
thorn remnant
Sorry if this is repeat details... Mikanos is all left down the soulbind?
safe thistle
the more you wait after reset the worst it gets for group
craggy pilot
the more you wait after reset the worst it gets for group
makes sense, and M+ can wait until Tuesday because thats when everyone wants to do them 😄
safe thistle
m+ theres always ppl everyday
craggy pilot
if i kill Sylv, will i be able to get KTZ loot in Vault?
or do i have to kill him as well
ocean yoke
i believe it works as if youve killed that boss ever their loot table will be in the vault
even if you didnt that particular week
craggy pilot
thats what im asking
never killed KTZ 😄
but if i kill Sylv will that add both, or just the Sylv loot table 🤔
ocean yoke
i think just sylv
craggy pilot
ok
tame sleet
i have 3 set for frost and the gem,s dont have blood yet. worth it for 3 set until i do ?
mighty valley
Yes
violet violet
Anyone have tips for tanking H sylvanas? Main tank is MIA so I’m filling in
peak forge
in m+ when do I spend rage on ignore pain or revenge
tropic gorge
awww, a group just got mad cause i wouldnt sit still while tanking while mele ignored bombs
ah, pug life baby!
uneven river
Anyone have tips for tanking H sylvanas? Main tank is MIA so I’m filling in
Make use of healer CDs when your picking up a lot of the pools. And use intervene /charge to get out when they dispell etc
brave jetty
in m+ when do I spend rage on ignore pain or revenge
If you're actually at all concerned for your survival and have SB up, maybe you're expecting a damage spike, then you can IP. Otherwise you're smashing that Revenge button like it owes you money.
inland raft
This week i ip way more then usual, so many guild keys wirh no soothes, no boomies, etc
15-16 weekly guild keys feeling like im doing 20s, idk why they brought this combo back from the dead
brave jetty
From the question I assumed he wasn't doing insane keys
Was there never Fort/Raging s1? I don't remember.
inland raft
Last time was legion
jagged oasis
What trinket should i use as prot in m+?
brave jetty
aegis rly good
zenith vigil
Depends what you have
oblique garnet
Phial for big dam
blazing condor
Just realized ive actually never done tazhavesh
I got the hm item thats all lol
Pugs left mid run and i forgot about it
steel mist
guys whats the least min ilvl to tank heroic ?
ionic fern
There is no such thing.
Dependant on your group/comfortability with the class and encounter.
steel mist
i mean does 220 ilvl is fine as such , its gonna be my first time tanking raids
i only did m+
ionic fern
Just know the fights and you'll be fine.
ionic fern
For the IV, yes.
steel mist
read your guides, it was helpful
jagged pier
well normal drops 226 so you will be fine for hc at 220
ionic fern
That's always good to hear.
past nebula
I have a 233 sack from tazavesh, is that a good trinket then for prot?
ionic fern
I have a 233 sack from tazavesh, is that a good trinket then for prot?
Sack provides a good amount of DPS , so yes it's good. 🙂
ionic fern
Imagine having Phial AND Sack.
jagged pier
yah its huge
ionic fern
jagged pier
ionic fern
Jah, huge. 
worthy karma
I just did an 18 dos and timed it. Prot warrior STRONGGGGG
ionic fern
NO
Freaking
Way
We are trash.
Don't make us meta.
@patent osprey stop doing world first keys.
We are trying to keep a low profile.
ionic fern
I just did an 18 dos and timed it. Prot warrior STRONGGGGG
Jokes aside, gz.
ionic fern
hes busy in DoS mwahi he wont reply for a while
You make it sound like something went horribly wrong in that run. 😂
ionic fern
So...something WILL go horribly wrong?
jagged pier
🤷
ionic fern
DoS/SoA are pug nightmares so i just avoid them generally. 😦
jagged pier
i wish i could avoid pugging
ionic fern
We have our Skyhold push group, it's fine.
ionic fern
That's pushing to SOME people okay???
jagged pier
well if u actually played the game like you used to, you would be far above me
like S1 where u were just doing 20s like week 3
ionic fern
I did transfer to horde with big hopes of "i'm going to do m+ on horde cause alliance is dead!!!"
And then realised that the game is "meh" and i just don't want to play it that much atm. 😂
ionic fern
I'm still like..renown 55 i think..will try to get 57 this week for Mika. 😦
jagged pier
like i want all 20s in time, and i just cba at this point
ionic fern
I'll gear my druid so i can heal you.
It's not TOOOOO much behind on renown so maybe i can force myself to do it.
And we'll blast with Erga and Nome as DPS'ers. 👀
Easy 16's on time.
jagged pier
16s LETS GOOOOOOOOO
jagged pier
just ask my druid friend how to heal, he spent the whole time in the NW this week in cat form
jagged pier
🤷
ionic fern