protection

[errant thorn]

lol

you dont wanna use the same color font as your background

if its black, use white

if its white, use black

[chilly brook]

Smh where my drop shadow at?

[modern brook]

hang on i can make this better

[strong forum]

i shoulda made it green text on yellow background

[steady slate]

i got to play arms in a m+ this season. even without optimized stats and mediocre gear, it was fun. it's relaxing to just follow the tank whacking everything and yelling DIE, M'F*R DIE whenever execute is available

[strong forum]

playing dps in m+ is so braindead

[chilly brook]

Arms pipes rn

[stark sage]

but is the trinket even good

[strong forum]

Kel.

[chilly brook]

Playing wow is braindead

[strong forum]

i swear to god.

[chilly brook]

[strong forum]

playing is braindead

[chilly brook]

Truuuueee

[oblique geyser]

what's best soulbind character to choose for NF warrior pls ?

prot ofc

[hidden kindle]

what do you guys do against deathlink on mythic eye? cant be blocked cant be reflected it seems right

[topaz dragon]

Im wondering what the lowest price a t6 leggo will be going for

[chilly brook]

In what content

[modern brook]

@errant thorn

[stark sage]

yoooo

[sweet summit]

YOOOOOOOOOOO

PIN THAT INSTEAED

[jagged pier]

it does to 2.8k to all targets in the cone, but as pulls arent that big and the cone is fucking tiny it does like no damage

[deft vessel]

first raid night and my only drop ;-; fml

[strong forum]

thats good

aegis is literally the best trinket in the game (in m+)

[deft vessel]

I guess I'm swapping scale out

[jagged pier]

in m+ for sure

in raid

probs not

[deft vessel]

and torghast i assume

[jagged pier]

u run defensive trinkets in troghast?

[deft vessel]

I have shit trinkets

so I run whatever is least shit

I've been running around withh scale and a heroic hungering destroyer trinket for literal months

(the two in the screenshot)

[dense grove]

what shield is better for m+

[deft vessel]

highest item levle shield

[dense grove]

the haste-mastery or crit-versa

i got both

[deft vessel]

haste mastery

[dense grove]

kk

[unique shale]

my Current state of gearing

[jagged pier]

same

[unique shale]

zero upgrade since i got item from weekly vault

[jagged pier]

i didnt even get an item from weekly vault

your doing better than me

[unique shale]

[blazing condor]

Done in total 10 bosses and all ive gotten is a mount

[unique shale]

does high ilvl for gears count for fingers and neck ?

[jagged pier]

at like 15+ ilvl

[oblique geyser]

just helpin friend tanking tazavesh hardmode

[strong forum]

i actually run scale in torghast ye

thats where i use it the most

[jagged pier]

[chilly brook]

So probably Korayn then

Korayn is goated for keys/dungeons

Niya for single target encounters i.e. most raid fights

[oblique geyser]

okay thanks

[coarse meadow]

do you guys know if there is a discrod for tanks in general from all classes

[strong forum]

tank players usually hang out in multiple tank discords

[chilly brook]

Guilty as charged

[jagged pier]

same

[strong forum]

there is "tankchat" but thats more a dead discord full of degenerate shitposting with not much actual tank talk

[chilly brook]

Still keeping the warrior alive

Even if I'm pink boi now

[jagged pier]

i thought u were green boi

[strong forum]

i guess the tanknotes discord would be a place where its multiclass

[chilly brook]

I was, it's fun as hell in m+ not so much in raid

[jagged pier]

true

[chilly brook]

It was always between the two classes on what I was going to play as a break from the warrior

First week of raiding just kinda shifted my thoughts since I'll be spending like 8 hours a week in raid

[jagged pier]

its preference for sure i prefer monk in raid and m+ to paladin

expect kyrian paladin

[strong forum]

now that i think about it

[chilly brook]

Kyrian is nice

[jagged pier]

which is why im gearing my pink boi for m+ meme

[strong forum]

i think tankchat just became tanknotes discord

[chilly brook]

Unfortunately I went Venthyr

Cuz it goes brrrrr in raid and its basically an extra CD for the raid

[cinder nova]

Does Prot AH even heal that much?

Ret doesn't heal for shit

And desyncing it with wings feels icky

[chilly brook]

It heals more than revival over the course of a fight

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Or hymn

Its entirely dependent on when you use it though

[strong forum]

Heals like 20k raid wide per tick

Minimum

[chilly brook]

Doing dummy amounts of healing on Guardian rn for Naowh

[coarse meadow]

what does "AH" means?

[strong forum]

Auction house

[chilly brook]

Ashen hallow

[strong forum]

[coarse meadow]

lol

[cinder nova]

Nom's trolling

toxic

[strong forum]

I have my thinking cap on

[coarse meadow]

[cinder nova]

I feel like a meter monkey

I legit intervened my VDH to take a second Ruinblade so I could keep spending all my rage on Revenge.

Tanking is a DPS loss reeee

[strong forum]

It's actually a dps gain

Cuz of the rage

[cinder nova]

The 5 rage per whack isn't going to offset the rage I have to spend to stay alive

On a ST boss

[strong forum]

Bah

Just dont use IP

Done

[cinder nova]

LOL

JUST KEEP HITTING REVENGE

[strong forum]

Yes.

[cinder nova]

10/10 bigbrain SF

I also have to block

[strong forum]

How else did I get 2 top 10 parses on huntsman

[cinder nova]

Which is rage not being used on REVENGE

[coarse meadow]

which tank do you think guys will be the best when we get higher ilvl items, i heard Brewmasters scale better than any other because agility and stagger scaling

[strong forum]

Sb is a dps increase

[tardy osprey]

I have actually been intentionally using IP less and Revenge more
at first it made me nervous, but the dps looks so much better

[strong forum]

Nobody scales better than the other

[cinder nova]

In pure ST, but I'm specifically burning all my rage on Revenge with SR on during the add cleave in Soulrender

[strong forum]

It's a linear increase in stat gain for everyone

Nobody has exponential "scaling"

[cinder nova]

The rage spent on ShB isn't going to be more DPS than the double-slap of Revenge from Seismic even if I crit every SS

I legit just angled my entire build for Soulrender around add cleave

Like a fucking mong

Just kept my DPS as high as I could before execute and then just pressed Execute until he died

[strong forum]

There isn't a magical ilvl where a tank gets better than the other, balance patches, tuning and encounter Design is what will decide which tank suits it better @coarse meadow

[cinder nova]

Almost 5900 DPS as tank

Warrior definitely seems to be a little deflated this tier not necessarily by our kit, but by the fact that so many huge tankbusters are unblockable suddenly

Which annoys me

We don't get flat armor like other tanks

So if we can't block its like

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[strong forum]

Ya it seems to play out to be a less good tier for prot war

But we'll see

It's only day 2

[coarse meadow]

tyyty i was just asking because stagger % went up with flat agility, so there was ap oint where stagger was very high % of damage intake and they nerfed it to "reset" the scaling, i was main brew on legion and bfa so i felt it, but i dont know much about he mage

[cinder nova]

Hopefully it's spaghetti code and not intentional

Because I'm pretty sure lots of it was blockable week 1

And week 2 tons of shit isn't

[strong forum]

Na, thats where the K value comes into play

Much like armor and block, stagger also gets reduced by K value

To keep it from reaching a point where you become immune to damage

They thought of counteracting that

[cinder nova]

Isn't the K value just diminishing returns?

[strong forum]

Dont worry

K value is a flat value that just reduces the effectiveness of block armor and stagger

Based on instance type

[cinder nova]

🤔 ...maybe I'm stupid for just hearing about this.

[coarse meadow]

ooooooh i need to search more about that "k" value

[strong forum]

It's basically a variable inside the mitigation calculation

To stop you from scaling to crazy amounts

It'll keep our mitigation on the same levels basically

Even with ever increasing gear

For example, our block will never reach 50% mitigation

Because of the K value

[cinder nova]

🤔 ...why is my armor more effective when targeting KT?

Like it's 48% and against current target it's ~51%

[strong forum]

That I can't answer

[cinder nova]

I'll see if I can SS it

CAN'T OR WONT?

WHAT ARE YOU HIDING, NOM?

WHAT DO THE SF KNOW?

[strong forum]

Hidden tech

You're too innocent

Only to be known by the unwashed few

[cinder nova]

Oh yeah? Like Demolition ST % modifiers?

YOU THINK I AM UNAWARE OF YOUR HOARDED POWER?

[coarse meadow]

bro the new tank trinket bug can be exploited in ways i cant think right now, but its very good at pulling far away stuff for world quests

[cinder nova]

Trinket bug? 🤔

[somber stump]

according to several whispers im getting from ppl i know, the arcane dmg portion of this ability is spell reflectable, but the spreadsheet says it isn't. can anyone confirm? still on painsmith right now, but would be nice to know beforehand.

my friend's guild is using 2 prot warrs to cheese it

[fringe marten]

S he's not the only mob.

I saw that last night with uh? guardian heroic or something else.

for whatever reason I decided to look at my armor value. against the boss..then targeted a player and it went down.. then targeted other players and it varied a little bit between some players.

like WTF is up with that.

Nom is that a new way they're doing the math after BFA? One or more of our values got to absurd numbers (without buffs) in bfa..it was like high 60's or 70% mitigation from armor, and I swore block went well above 50%

Am I just misremembering?

[shut summit]

you mean the beam? not sure havent tried, link logs if u can

[cold zealot]

I can Tell you, that wäre can still solo soak Guardian HC. All you need ist. LS, SW, and scale or 30kish absorb and you live with Like 10-20k.
Of you can Demo aswell its realy Safe.

[proper pecan]

Revenge love, revenge is life

[coarse meadow]

and no spell reflection?

[timber slate]

PF+5, does it seem ok?

[cinder nova]

Logs?

If I can solo H Guard slap I'll do it

[cold zealot]

I dont think so. But maybe i did.check logs

[cold zealot]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GJHZmaTNbwAz14rx/

Somewhere in there exanimo. First Combo we used Priester Guardian Spirit, 2. Combo i soloed.
Im on mobile cant Check myself rn

[shut summit]

you can solo the soak

can also have an immunity or 2 jump in and make it an absolute breeze

rogue cloak etc

[cold zealot]

IT IS tight but possible, maybe with sligjt externals. But with our whole Kit 260k Hit should bei surviveable.
Just think about IT, ilvl 230ish
110k health with LS
50%dr Wall
Das some more Dr or health and the Hit ist done

[lucid steppe]

@errant thorn so the raid trinket u linked is bnetter in aoe then Scale? i have raid tinket 226 and scale 239

[errant thorn]

i have no clue

ask the stormforged in this channel

i just fixed a text on it

i have nothing to do with it

[lucid steppe]

kk

[cinder nova]

If I solo the first soak will GS keep me from getting turned into a floor inspector on the 2nd solo?

Or is the damage so high that GS can't save me from that kinda slap

[cold zealot]

Yes ir will If you use some sort of Defensive in top

[woven bear]

When to switch from Pelagos to Mikanikos?

[lucid steppe]

When mikanikos is fully unlocked it’s better for aoe dmg

[woven bear]

okay

[lucid steppe]

Defensive pelagos will be better

[woven bear]

okay thanks

[finite vine]

for m+ I craft Reprisal with haste/vers, yes?

[sweet summit]

ye on legs

[finite vine]

thanks

[coarse meadow]

man reprisal is like niht and day

every new pack you dont get smacked isntantly

and also get some revenge aggro

[sweet summit]

ya it owns giga hard

[mighty valley]

Sounds like a bug

[sick sentinel]

hey i'm a new warrior and i'm trying to set up my stance macros, anyone have some spare time to help me get them figured out with my action bar? 😄 first time wow player altogether

[sand pebble]

No more stances in shadowlands

[timber slate]

arms has it

defensive stance

xD

[sand pebble]

Ok ^^

There are no more abilities locked to a stance

Maybe he playing tbcc..

[timber slate]

well, in TBC you just press taunt on CD

[sand pebble]

Taunt does nothing if mob is hitting you, press other buttons and wait til a warlock rips threat from seed then taunt

Then giggle as they die anyway

Because mobs taunt immune!

[cinder nova]

Pretty sure it increases your threat generation on that target for 3s, which is not "nothing", depending on what you need it for.

[chilly brook]

Yes it's better in aoe than scale

Tldr, scale has a cap on both the damage it does and the damage it will absorb

Aegis does not

On either

The bigger the pull the better it is

[sand pebble]

No it makes your threat equal to the highest threat on its table (meaning if target is you it does legit nothing and states that in a tooltip) and forces that target to attack you for 3 secs

You are better off holding taunt until you lose threat then using it because using it while something it hitting you is a complete waste of a gcd

[cinder nova]

Except taunt isn't on the GCD.

[chilly brook]

It also gives you a threat bonus

[cinder nova]

^

[sand pebble]

It does not

[sweet summit]

[chilly brook]

Dats TBC nerd

[sweet summit]

is this not about classic

[sand pebble]

That’s what we were fucking discussing

[chilly brook]

Oh

Tf

#mop-discussion

Weirdos

[chilly brook]

Calm your tits big boi

[sand pebble]

They are calm, I was almost capped on rage until I had a little rampage

[unique shale]

i think i smashed my keybored hard in SD a little bit

[sand pebble]

Nice

[cinder nova]

Literally just opened my threat meter and it shows Shield Slam generating ~20K threat without taunt or over 150K w/taunt

[sand pebble]

In tbcc that the convo was about because someone asked about stance macros?

[cinder nova]

who tf asking about stance macros in a retail channel wat

[sand pebble]

Exactly my point

Scroll up

[cinder nova]

Ew. Imagine paying 15 bucks a month to play a game made 14 years ago

[sand pebble]

Imagine paying 20 bux a month because oce and playing both games

[cinder nova]

huge oof

As my friends from the UK say

[sand pebble]

I need that extra value somehow

[cinder nova]

That is a grand oof, my guy.

I mean, we wanna talk about oof, though. I accidentally overwrote my T5 Kyr shard with a T2 Jas

Instead of chiseling it out

So, yeah - kill me fam

[timber cloud]

Anyone know if that shard trinket blocks the 5k from mob hits before or after armor/block ?

[mellow bridge]

Thanks for taking the suffering so I will never do that on accident

[dusky canopy]

worth ranking up 1 shard a bunch or split currency on multiple shard ranks?

[mellow bridge]

Depends for what I guess

Ranking up your set bonus will be pretty important I'm sure

But that only works for raid

Altho higher ranks quickly become more expensive too so spreading the upgrades probably isn't a bad idea for now

[crude whale]

man, that condensed anima condi heals a lot

seems useful

[fading dirge]

So when pain smith throws the weapons, can those not be blocked? I have shield block up but logs aren't showing me blocking it.

its physical damage

[crude whale]

double ip works bests

i try to pool rage right before and double ip it

dont bother using sr, it dose nothing

[fading dirge]

so its not blockable? Double IP would make sense then

[crude whale]

nope

[vale tulip]

do we just upgrade whichever set of shards we get first? i have a full unholy set i can wear and no blood ones yet. Do i upgrade those or wait for bloods

[frank hemlock]

how do i look up blocked damage in my logs?

[brave jetty]

how does remnant heroic stack up against soulrender?

our group having a bit of a rough go at dormazain (no DK hurts a bit) and i'd really love to hear that the one after will be a step down lol

[vale tulip]

our group went to remnant first

and it was a faster kill than soulrender

[cinder nova]

Can you invis past the Gasbags in ToP or does their aoe tick kick you out?

Specifically this one

[sick sentinel]

You can invis past the ones on the top floor I assume you can also invis past that one

But y'know, blizzard

[cinder nova]

You can

I got the haste-crit shield

pumper bis

let's goo

I can't wait to SEE WHAT MY VAULT GIVES ME before I spend valor on it

great systems

Tbh if you could destroy a piece of gear you upgraded with Valor to get back that valor towards your current cap it'd be a lot less dogshit

But as it stands you get to wait until Tuesday to see if it's a straight up

[cobalt grove]

I still hate that since I main fury, I'm left with a poor covenant option as prot, hurts my soul.

[blazing condor]

Nf is great for prot

And fury

[stray hemlock]

Where dl you find so uptime and blocked hit % in logs? Having trouble finding it

Shield block

[cinder nova]

Block uptime doesn't matter, hit % does.

Or rather, blocked hits.

Uptime is useless.

[cobalt grove]

Don't get me wrong, I love just clocking new targets with some fierce condemn damage for that snap threat

[stray hemlock]

Yah that's true

[cinder nova]

One sec.

[stray hemlock]

Thanks!

[cinder nova]

Go to damage taken, click the character you wanna see.

Then if you mouseover/click the mechanic you wanna see block/hit % on

Specifically the bar

Not the name

My block % is dogshit here because when the boss is at 20% I am legally obligated to spend all my rage on Execute to maintain Ashen Jugg stacks.

[stray hemlock]

Hahaha true. Dps always comes first if you don't die

Thanks for walking me through that.

What would be the appropriate compensation for SS and TC? I'm guessing in the ~15 range?

Atleast 9 cpm for tc since its a 6sec cd. Definitely didn't get that in my normal run today.

[cinder nova]

idk I'm a parse monkey that just makes damage go 📈

I legit only push TC when Revenge will empty me and SS is on CD

Or if TC is the only thing available

[stray hemlock]

Thats a good way to look at tc usage.

[cinder nova]

It might not be. I legit don't even know how to play Prot anymore, it's mostly muscle memory.

I'd have to actually stop and think about how it fits together sometimes.

[hearty terrace]

Hey guys I’m thinking amour playing Warrior as my main never really played it looks super fun is it possible that you would be able to give me the pros and cons of the spec ? 🙂

[subtle ginkgo]

pros: you're a raid buff + raid cooldown

[fringe marten]

Moon quite honestly the icy veins writeup about it has pros/cons at the very front of the page I believe.

What is your end goal with the game? You want to be a 3 day a week cutting edge raider...you trying to be at blizzcon doing pvp in a lan tournament.. you just wanna play with your wife on the weekends?

I have a feeling if you were someone trying to get sweaty and push cutting edge content (weather it's raids/dungeons/pvp) that you wouldn't even be asking that.

[hearty terrace]

Lol I am an Ce raider but always been DPS and put my hand up to tank coz we lost one and we have all buffs atm so they sead to pick what ever 😂 and I’m tossing up atm

[fringe marten]

Then you know what warrior brings.

PURE. MANLINESS.

then as a ce raider you know how powerful rally cry is; our physical mitigation is king against things that are melee type hits (many mechanics and casts fall into this as well). The weakness is that it's unforgiving to sloppy play. It's very easy as a warrior to blow all your defensives and leave yourself vulnerable during a tanking window.

[hearty terrace]

Ah okey as an new ish tank would it be hard to learn/ be able to pick up quick ish I rather learn/play somthing fun over the best hence why I’m not playing Bear or DH

[fringe marten]

and you get the ability to sometimes get fancy with leap/charge/intervene and then spell reflect..allowing some cool 'high skill ceiling' play in a lot of situations.

I've only played prot warrior but this I've heard from MANY MANY sources that, they've tried a few tanks and warrior was the most active/fun. That seems to be a theme I hear a lot from new prot warriors and new tanks trying warrior.

[hearty terrace]

Okey cool thank you 🙂 I’ll look in to it and play around more

[fringe marten]

I think a lot of it honestly has to do with a combination of how warrior actually plays and the class fantasy of how it 'feels' IE animations/sounds/etc. Watched a DH in our guild stream a key earlier and ...? It just doesn't seem as cool tanking as a DH...yes his class kit is great, but the class fantasy of holding the line and fully tanking dungeons ... Blood and Thunder sir!

And as far as quality of tank, prot warrior like every tank..is great when played right. It's just not dummy thicc and easy like bear.

[hearty terrace]

Yeah cool! Thunder Clap dose look cool

I saw Kryan/NF as well dose it matter witch one ?

[fringe marten]

The 10 seconds I've ever played fury (ok the last chunk of bfa..for funsies) it's actually awesome.

[hearty terrace]

Sweet?! That’s what I like to hear 😦

🎉🎉

[fringe marten]

Definitely go kyrian if all you wanna do is tank; it'll give you the best all around kit plus the added utility of what the spear of bastion does as opposed to what other covenants offer.

[hearty terrace]

Cool!!! 🙂

The wall as well yes?

For LEGO

[fringe marten]

As fury..hitting some whirlwind and then rampage with two 2handers xmogged as 'Armageddons' ...dude... it's like testosterone replacement therapy as a playable class~

no; build reprisal

[hearty terrace]

Even for raid ?

[fringe marten]

the wall is the 'super easy' passive legendary, and it is good...reprisal adds a layer of complexity that has a better payoff to it. Better to make it early, learn it..and have the 'right' legendary as you get comfortable with the class.

we're 9/10 heroic and i've tanked both heroic 'clears' and both normal full clears with reprisal.

[jagged pier]

u want both tbh

like with fights like the eye where u can only block 1 ability on an add

[fringe marten]

I have 'the wall' as a cloak in my bags; but I haven't used it since start of 9.1.

[jagged pier]

u might as well have the wall with u for that fight

the rest reprisal

[fringe marten]

says the #1 proponent of reprisal~ lel

(jakey is like..Reprisals spokesperson)

[jagged pier]

sense has spoken

i listen to him Kek

[fringe marten]

Right..and maybe on mythic eye I'll use the wall? didn't need it on heroic.

[jagged pier]

yer

i dont swap from rep in hc

[fringe marten]

So as I said; if you're gonna' invest into a legendary..

get reprisal so you can learn it.

[jagged pier]

yus

but i came in mid convo

[hearty terrace]

Yeah to easy

[jagged pier]

dont know if u were talking mythic or not

[fringe marten]

He wants to start tanking for the first time..and roll a prot war.

[hearty terrace]

Yah I’m an Ce Dps

[jagged pier]

but that being said if u dont have a lot of soul ash lying around i dont know i still have 15k and made elyisans might yesterday

fair then, make rep

[fringe marten]

How is that btw?

I have it..but haven't made it.

[jagged pier]

i only made it in pvp

for pvp*

and its 📈

[fringe marten]

oh..it's a pure dps leggo..is it better than seismic for 'easy' keys?

[jagged pier]

got to 1700 in 1 push

[jagged pier]

no its miles behind

[fringe marten]

aww 😦

[jagged pier]

its only just ahead of rep

let me get the sim picture

[fringe marten]

I was hoping.

[jagged pier]

hang on

[hearty terrace]

Hey make the LEGO on legs???

Hast Vers

[fringe marten]

yes, leg slot for reprisal, go haste/versatility.

[hearty terrace]

Sweet

[fringe marten]

LOL look at those sims..

Do we ..commend blizzard for kinda' making the legendaries balanced?

[jagged pier]

well

if u have tone of crit

[fringe marten]

Or..are we just monkey blooded mongs for caring about 'dps' as a tank?

[jagged pier]

might becomes mega strong

because it only increases crit damage

[fringe marten]

You mean like..

If you got yo crystal of POWAH?

[jagged pier]

i dunno i was thinking more about 50%+ crit

so u kind of guaranteed to crit during it

[fringe marten]

I don't even remember what elysian might did

fuk do it do?

[jagged pier]

increases the duration of spear by 4 secs its size a little bit and increases crit damage by 25% if your in the spear

[fringe marten]

BTW Moon; end of the story is...If you aren't trying to be super sweaty bleeding edge in any particular content; and just want a tank you will really enjoy, you will probably really like warrior. It seems to be the general concensus that warrior is the most fun tank to play, or competing for it.

Oh yeah so..with no spear crit half that leggo is just gone.

That seems like some...Torghast hero mode shit~

get tons of crit..get spear boost powers..

[hearty terrace]

Yesh thanks mate means a lot!

[fringe marten]

But torghast is already a memefest of mongo pull/smash.

But also ..warrior is THE. BEST. TANK. Period. EXTRA PERIOD. if anyone says otherwise you kill them, eat them..and take their power.

However you do have to delete all your other characters once you roll a warrior. This is not a class...this is a lifestyle choice.

[jagged pier]

yus

[subtle ginkgo]

[fringe marten]

In case you do not know, the picture morico posted is the universal symbol for "yes that is absolutely truth" in the warrior discord.

(the last few things I've said are not true..please don't post 2d pepe as a QFT emote)

[hearty terrace]

I’m keen to give it an go thanks!

[fringe marten]

Anyone else wanna go eat one of their heath bar flavor klondike bars, then go do some 2am keys with late night randos and hope it's not awful? YEAH EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING.

[hearty terrace]

Why do people say if you wanna be an worst tank play bear ?

[blazing condor]

People will say its easy

[scarlet sparrow]

hi guys! how is this trinket for a protwar? https://www.wowhead.com/item=186424/shard-of-annhyldes-aegis?bonus=6805

i have it in my guild bank, have to choose between this (il226) and a 236 waist (BiS from TOS)

[jagged pier]

best for m+

[hearty terrace]

Says in pins :p

[jagged pier]

wow they actually put the picture in there

[strong forum]

They

I made naeno mad

So he made his own picture

[jagged pier]

LUL

[hearty terrace]

Lol

Why would you play NF Vs Kryian,

And or Necro

[mighty valley]

vibes

[hearty terrace]

Like more info but cool cool cool

[jagged pier]

there isnt much more

u can play which cov u like as prot

really doesnt matter

[strong forum]

Kyrian and NF have the same dmg output

So you just pick which shade of blue you like more

[hearty terrace]

Oh really cool

No slight pros over one or the other

Like more tankie more mog more anything 😂😂

I do like NF so works out good to me

[lavish oracle]

I mean extra movement ability vs extra self-cleanse/healing pot, spear is a good kiting tool, AA is strong against caster packs. They both have their ups and downs

[woven bear]

I just started playing prot warrior in our raid and I'm still unsure if I play it correctly. Could you give me some tips maybe? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kVpwKxq6T8CJhBvc

Especially if I should use more IPs or so

[strong forum]

Your block% is terrible, but that's because you're playing wall + am

Besides that the rest seems okay

[barren socket]

spiritual alch stone is decent?

[strong forum]

Not great not terrible, I would go for it tho

[woven bear]

@strong forum Shield Block uptime? What should I change?

[strong forum]

I would play reprisal

Besides on select bosses like eye or sylvanas

[woven bear]

@strong forum What's AM?

[strong forum]

Anger management

It's fine to play Wall + am don't get me wrong

[woven bear]

Do you look at my uptime overall or at the uptime while active tanking?

[strong forum]

I looked at blocked hits

You only blocked 51% on the nine

[jagged pier]

[strong forum]

Tarragrue is pointless to look at, same as eye

[woven bear]

@strong forum Okay, so that's while active tanking then. I try to always have one charge so I'm wondering why the uptime is bad, what's a good value of blocked hits I shoud achieve?

[strong forum]

80%+

In raid you should be able to get close to 100% tho

[jagged pier]

im at 84% on the nine without tracking or trying

i think it can be a 90%+ tbh

[woven bear]

Is this even possible with the wall?

[strong forum]

No

[jagged pier]

the wall???

on a block fight

[strong forum]

With wall you can get like 60-70% if you play Bolster

But you shouldn't play Wall on most bosses

[woven bear]

okay, so I should go to reprisal then on physical heavy fights

[strong forum]

Reprisal is more dmg than wall, so any fight where you don't need an SW every 50 seconds, you play reprisal

[jagged pier]

its basically all fights but the eye

[strong forum]

Maybe sylvanas but idk, was only dps there

[woven bear]

@strong forum okay, but my bad uptime of shield block is then caused by my setup and not execution I guess?

[strong forum]

Ya

Cpm, rage management all seems fine

[woven bear]

okay 😄

I was worried after you sad that lol

@strong forum How about the IP usage?

@strong forum Thanks for having a look btw!

[strong forum]

IP usage is mostly just a defensive rage dump, not a necessity

On some of my mythic kills in CN I didn't use more than 5 IPs

Gotta pump dam

[scarlet sparrow]

Sry, didn't see it :-/

[woven bear]

@strong forum I'm wondering about the reprisal usage though, I guess you use intervene most of the time to get high uptime, since you can't just charge the boss without having some distance?

[strong forum]

You can often find timings where you can charge easily without moving the boss

Alot of bosses stand still to cast mechanics

[woven bear]

Yeah I thought reprisal is more or less a m+ leggy. I still have a haste versa legs version of it

[hearty terrace]

Hahah all G bro

[woven bear]

Ah, legs can have sockets right? So I need to recraft it anyways, since with 9.1. legendaries get sockets but not while upgrading them?

[strong forum]

Legs can't have sockets

[woven bear]

😄 ok fine then

[jagged pier]

can also do this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ea4BtA0CNU&ab_channel=Jakeyplops

[woven bear]

@jagged pier I guess you jump away and charge? I kinda want to save my jump on the soulrender fight if I need it

[jagged pier]

i use it all the time as havent had an issue

[woven bear]

okay. Thanks for all your input

I also saw that I don't use thunderclap as much as I could with wowanalyzer, is this also something that should be fixed?

[jagged pier]

yes

its a rage generator it should be used on cd

[strong forum]

Wowa isn't properly maintained as far as I know

[cinder nova]

Would've been smarter to charge in a strafe to the adds that doesn't turn your back to boss.

Although personally I usually backpedal into a soulshape with momentum so I can charge right back in

[jagged pier]

its an example of how rep can be used theres loads of ways

just ppl ask how do u charge to boss without moving it

[cinder nova]

Oh, yeah.

Leap/Soulshape are the ezpz methods

Or just Intervening a ranged that wont turn your back then go right back in

[tacit bay]

Is the pin about Domination Set bonus still accurate?

[jagged pier]

we will have an update if there is on over the weekend

[sleek echo]

Reprisal best crafted on boots atm? I had it on boots in 9.05 just cos slg legs were higher ilvl.

[median tulip]

Legs

There's a pair of boots from the last two bosses in the raid which are higher iLvl

[sleek echo]

Ah ezclap then. Had legs rank 4 already anyway haha

[ancient monolith]

How do I check my shield block uptime while tanking a raid boss on logs?

[jagged pier]

damage taken > melee > hover over hits

[ancient monolith]

fantastic

tanked Painsmith hc for the first time and used reprisal

Reprisal is so broken to keep shield uptime

92.49%

[late basin]

whats the best cov to play when im swapping between arms & protection?

kyrian?

[cinder nova]

Depends on what you do as arms.

[strong forum]

Kyrian and NF are good for both specs

Literally neck and neck

[safe thistle]

im at 70% uptime on soulrender i guess i could imporve that more threres a lot of downtime.

i would be higher if co-tank wouldnt die though and get brez

[jagged pier]

uptime dont matter its all about blocked hits

[safe thistle]

ya i meant block hit %

sorry

[jagged pier]

u can improve a lot more

[safe thistle]

i used to have very poor blocked uptime before as low as 40% i think i revenged too much

[cinder nova]

Never too much revenge.

Your HP missing is a healer mechanic

[jagged pier]

thats terrible u need to manage your shield block far better if your at 40%

[safe thistle]

ya i pay more attention i had waste on channel cast that i could had hold a bit

the eye would you pick the wall over reprisal though

[solemn aspen]

I think there are channel like on nerzhul when you still get AAed

[cinder nova]

I'd go wall over reprisal unless your healers can tolerate the extra damage tbh.

You can't block anything but the impact of the add spear

Literally everything else just slaps you in the face

Block uptime is just DPSing with SS.

[solemn aspen]

the eye = IP then ?

[safe thistle]

and spell reflect on cd

[cinder nova]

Yeah basically SR on CD and smash IP.

Use your biggest available CD for every Deathlink

Because wowee that shit hurts

[safe thistle]

oh man i know and it hit whole raid too if you dont mitigate i think i killed ppl with it once

[cinder nova]

I'm still trying to figure out why people were talking about taking more than one

Like ???

Bruh, it's not about surviving the hit

It's huge raid damage tf

[safe thistle]

i normally shield wall death link

[cinder nova]

We used to be able to block Eye mechanics

Now we can't

Undocumented changes are toxic af

[safe thistle]

i never saw that

[rotund parcel]

Brothers I need someone with a perspective thats not mine. Kyrian prot keys soulbind im kind of torn between all 3 right now. like they all have their own advantages but ive been a palegos simp for ages but running kieia atm. want to run mikanikos with his r48, the damage one seems alright but the shield overall with perfect uptime is gunna end up as like 300hps?

[cinder nova]

HPS isn't what you should be looking at

DPS is.

Damage times keys: period.

[solemn aspen]

"Piercing Lens" is physical but not blockable ?

[tame sleet]

im ilevel 212, what level m+ should I be looking at?

[cinder nova]

If you can't survive, then that's a way bigger problem a soulbind wont fix.

[modern brook]

+90 🙂

[cinder nova]

kek

[safe thistle]

mika is good for m+

[cinder nova]

Mikanikos is your default M+ bind

Mik is basically hardlocked cleave

The CDR on spear is yooj

[safe thistle]

pelagos gonna be our raid soulbind correct ?

[tame sleet]

😦 seriously any help?

[safe thistle]

around the 10 depend of your group dps

[jagged pier]

whatever lvl u feel comfortable is the right lvl

[rotund parcel]

what path do we run with mik, i hate the autophial legit

[tame sleet]

ya im trying 7/8s and i cant tell if its me or my healers / dps but we are having lots of deaths

[jagged pier]

could be both wouldnt know without logs

but in general 7s-10s are the worst bracket of keys in the game imo

[tame sleet]

why ?

[safe thistle]

then stick at around 6s until you get very good run and better gear, me normally i always d keys 2-3 lvl below in pugs

[tame sleet]

ok

[modern brook]

because its season 2 so all the good players are already pushing 15-20 range

[tame sleet]

lol aw man

[modern brook]

no shade

Just like

[tame sleet]

i get it, im new to tanking m+

[modern brook]

You're scraping the bottom of the barrel and alts

[tame sleet]

alright thanks for the tips. ill go a little lower till i ilevel up

thanks fellas

[safe thistle]

your new and with other new ppl so work your way up

[jagged pier]

because it where u can get to by ignoring mechanics and then at thoughs lvls the scaling if u ignore mechanics start to become a problem u also dont get the dungeon buffs etc so bad players and bad dps becomes even worse

[coarse dock]

Any min maxy tips for pushing 15+ keys? Lots of mythic raiding experience but I always brick my keys

[modern brook]

honestly if people are dying and you're not its them not doing mechanics

Also if you're dying

ITs them not doing mechanics

[jagged pier]

honestly if u are mythic raiding u shouldnt be struggling in 15s, but no just expereince u could be doing somthing wrong on a fundimental wouldnt be able to tell without logs

[oak lotus]

whats an kick lol

[safe thistle]

oh man pugs and kicks.,..

[jagged pier]

dungeon tanking is 100% different to raid tanking

[coarse dock]

I’ve been avoiding keys like the plague since SL launch. So yeah I got some catching up I guess. Just looking for like small min max tips to incorporate into regular runs. But I get it’s hard w/o logs to look over. Ours still private

Do my 14/15 once a week and raid log

[modern brook]

Honestly m+ tanking is 90% homework 10% effective shieldblock uptime

[jagged pier]

if your struggling with keys u shouldnt be asking for little minmax tips u should just be jumping in and learning tbh

u can also unprivate logs if your the log holder

u can always just watch my vid on how to read logs instead 😉

works for m+ and raiding

[modern brook]

because jakey refuses to self promote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1tRp8lULT8

[jagged pier]

yah well ppl will find it if they need it

[coarse dock]

Yeah I was just checking out his spires run

[jagged pier]

ooo i made a lot of mistakes there

still timed it though

[modern brook]

You know the search i had to do to get this as top result

[jagged pier]

hahaa

[modern brook]

"Prot Warrior Logs Jakey WoW reading"

[jagged pier]

i did do a sick SR stack though

[coarse dock]

Discord account < twitch < YouTube

Pretty easy to find lol

[modern brook]

smh

[nimble laurel]

thanks, @jagged pier

"i'm hoping its not going to be that long of a video" 🤣 ❤️

[jagged pier]

yer i say that about all of them

and ppl ask why i dont do commentaries anymore

i do not have the time

or im lazy

or both

🤷

[safe thistle]

lazyness is nice sometime

[lunar plover]

@jagged pier you just saved me a slight mental breakdown with that video

[nimble laurel]

One of my better personal performances this season (I switched to warrior from holy paladin): https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Lc6HTJ87CrAy4thY/#fight=last&type=damage-done

Still need more shield slam CPM and slightly more blocked hits.

I appreciate any feedback on that ^^

[jagged pier]

u wasted a fair bit of rage

make sure your using IP and revengj to dump

and yer your SS casts should be far more

TC cast look fine

LS casts seem fine u can cast SW more

intervene and be far higher u are running rep u want to do that on cd

but yer better rage mangement more SS ull be great

interveneing more will help with blocked hits

[nimble laurel]

yeah, I think I need to set cooldown pulses for intervene, shield wall, and last stand so I use them almost immediately

(cooldown pulse = something that flashes in the middle of the screen when the ability is ready)

[jagged pier]

well u dont use them immediately u need to use them rotationally but still have them for when u need them

so if u need SW in 2 mins

[sick sentinel]

what are the best stats for prot war now?

[jagged pier]

use it as u will have it back

still the ones in the cheatsheet

[nimble laurel]

For sure. Its just good to know when its up. I've started using Last Stand more offensively if I don't have an intense pull coming soon.

[jagged pier]

yer u used it like nearly as much as u could in that run

[nimble laurel]

this week with inspiring has made some larger pulls more challenging defensively

[jagged pier]

tbf its more a offensive cd now tbh

[nimble laurel]

people think I'm crazy, but Sanguine Depths is my favorite dungeon by far. I know it like the back of my hand and really love a lot of the trash pulls and bosses.

[jagged pier]

its really ez tbh

[nimble laurel]

it is

TOP has been causing the most grief this season. Its not due to bad pulls or wipes either, just takes forever. It needs strong ST dps in the group.

[jagged pier]

TOP is a really tight dungeon

[nimble laurel]

I'd probably put DOS right behind it in that category, for mostly the same reasons.

and surprisingly HOA as well

[modern brook]

SD is the like epitome of all 5 players need to be playing the game

thats why people hate it

[nimble laurel]

Fair point

[modern brook]

they cant just follow the tank around and kick yellow bars

[nimble laurel]

anything over a 17 now we make everyone get on Discord. We learned that lesson plenty of times last season.

I don't have time to be typing commands when I have to push all these prot warrior buttons 😄

[jagged pier]

i just pug so never on coms

[nimble laurel]

Yeah, Wicked Bolts in HOA beg to differ. No one interrupts them.

[blazing condor]

Hoa is a great dungeon on paper but shit in practice

Open courtyard style with a lot of room for creativity but timer is just too tight

Imo 🙂

[nimble laurel]

this was from last week when they both enraged:

[oak lotus]

Ya the buff to bolt is real

[nimble laurel]

I tried out Mikanikos the other day to see how the shields worked. They did great. But that fucker Bron just pulls everything.

[sick sentinel]

Is it normal to have dead gcds in the playstyle? I'm level 55

[blazing condor]

It’ll get better at 60

And with better stats

[strong forum]

Yes it is normal

But hardly noticable once you have gear

[tardy osprey]

even at higher haste it still happens occasionally, but when you are weaving leap / charge / intervene you barely notice the empty gcds

[sick sentinel]

Okay thank you

[inland raft]

Anyone know if you can have more then one conduit upgrade item on bags, Doesn't say unique anymore like s1 did but don’t know if maybe they stop dropping if you have one

[last yacht]

Hey, is Anima Field Emitter still a go to trinket for us? Currently using a 220 scale and a 230 alchemy stone, but just got a a 236 emitter.

[last yacht]

Yeah they stack afaik

[forest fern]

well you can have more than 1 in your bags, they don't "stack" i believe

[modern brook]

you gotta be way more aggressive with your pulls then

We dont do anything less than a triple pull in the courtyard

[sick sentinel]

Can anyone suggest an addon or WA that tracks healer externals

that is not XRT

or does everyone use XRT

[jagged pier]

omnicd

[tame sleet]

how do you guys handle intervene w/ reprisal? mouse over macro or somthing?

[modern brook]

MO macros work

its really a comfort thing

[tame sleet]

are there alternatives to mouse over?

[modern brook]

uhhh clicking

named macros

[inland silo]

@focus on a melee

[naive hatch]

Are there any venthyr tanks here that can tell me what they use for their soulbind and conduit path?

[strong forum]

Generally just nadija

Unless smth changed

[plush tendon]

yea, Nadija is poggers

Dont know if I got the potency conduits right, but this is the path you generally take

and If you main spec fury/arms and use Nadjia for that, you could probably set Draven up for tank. Itll be worse overall then nadjia, but at least you wont have to respect constantly.

[modern brook]

theo is underrated

wasteland being a 5s cd on condemn is kinda thick tbh

[plush tendon]

Theo is also pretty good

but his last trait is kind of ass

[modern brook]

if we're being honest you go VEnthyr for condemn and anything the soulbinds give is gravy

only reason not to go nadjia is if u r trying to hold it for your main spec and still want to do tanking on the side

[flat pewter]

thoughts on which is better?

[plush tendon]

the 233

[blazing condor]

Idk i do big pulls. Always at least houndmaster+casters with groundskeepers if poss. Big BL pull on first shard etc. But maybe we just got lower dps

[modern brook]

f you can remember to @ me in ~7 hours

I'll post our route

[blazing condor]

Its not a problem that its ”too tight” but considering the pulls and effort for each pack the dg itself just becomes tight

In comprison to other dgs

But thank you i’ll check it out

[plush tendon]

Hot take, HoA has always been ass

[blazing condor]

Just one big butt-clench

[plush tendon]

Actually, even if they were considered the easiest for a while, Mists and HoA have always been C tier dungeons in my eyes

[formal grail]

if you intervene, can you get hit in the back by the mobs?

[indigo hatch]

any thoughts on this trinket? Wowhead and Icyveins guides both say that it's not worth it, but 12.5k healing up to every 20 seconds sounds not too bad to me. Or am I missing something?

[nimble laurel]

doesn't add any offensive output, which is needed even by the tank in most content

it also inflates your stamina while giving you no added mitigation, just making you harder to heal.

[indigo hatch]

ah, so the use effect is not the problem but the stats on it?

got it, thanks

[placid river]

@strong forum I read somewhere that you run ~2% vers, and a lot of haste. How do you "choose" between the other secondaries?

[jagged pier]

he equips the highest ilvl gear he has

[jagged pier]

its fucking dogshit

[modern brook]

If you intervene like a moron yeah

[indigo hatch]

well, thats a clear answer 😄

[modern brook]

To expand, strength feeds into armor and ap scaling

[lavish oracle]

Had it kill me in an SD the other day, was a bad feeling for sure, haha

[modern brook]

So it simultaneously increases effective health through armor Dr and ip absorbs, and damage through bigger damage

[modern brook]

It happens a lot tbh, it's why people suggest intervening melee

[lavish oracle]

The HPS also just isn't very good

I did intervene a melee but he had gone off to open the jar and I didn't realize

So I got deleted, lol

[modern brook]

You love to see it

[indigo hatch]

thanks for the explanations, that really helps a lot 🙂

[lavish oracle]

It's certainly not the worst tank trinket this xpac

cough cough

[placid river]

@jagged pier Thanks! I have a trinket question too, if you have time 🙂

[jagged pier]

yah?

[placid river]

I got this as 233, and a 252 Anima Emitter

However I was doing a HoA 16 and felt squishy AF

With the Anima Emitter

Am I being an idiot? 😄

[tardy osprey]

Sack + Aegis is my favorite trinket combo in M+

[naive hatch]

Yeah I'm fury main spec but I can't get into keys so I'm ready to look into tanking. I'll look at Draven's tree and see what's up

[jagged pier]

ive heard that a good trinket but if u feel squshy its not down to trinkets it down to play

[plush tendon]

I always recommend that any class that can tank, should when pugging keys. DPS warriors are fire!, but there just arnt enough tanks

[placid river]

I guess, the feeling stems from the healing debuff Lieutenant, where I was hovering at 15% constantly with SB up 100%

[jagged pier]

u got a log and can have a look?

u shouldnt be hovering low

[placid river]

I don't unfortunately. I have tried live logging but my pc cant handle it

I get DCs alot when I do

[naive hatch]

Very true. Hoping it'll be easy enough to learn and get into some 15s quick.

[chilly brook]

Trinket off guardian seems pretty good btw

[placid river]

@tardy osprey Which one is Aegis?

[lilac bloom]

i was watching limitless take down painsmith on heroic. I see a tank going through the balls like nothing. How? If i ran through them i get one shotted.. this is after the tank drop his spike debuff

[shut summit]

most likely bop or bubble

[torpid zephyr]

I believe he got blessing of protection

[chilly brook]

BoP

I did it last night

Honestly comparatively really not bad for a "defensive" trinket

Reactive isn't even on a kill either

And that's with taunt swaps

I'd love to see how it stacks up over the course of a dungeon

[tardy osprey]

from raid

https://www.wowhead.com/item=186424/shard-of-annhyldes-aegis?bonus=6805

[placid river]

Ah

[nimble laurel]

Just enable the logging and manually upload when needed. That's what I do.

[strong forum]

I just equip whatever highest ilvl I have

And it's usually haste + X

🤷‍♂️

Rings + neck alone are 15% haste

[placid river]

Thanks, I like the haste approach 😄

[nimble laurel]

Yeah, right now we're sadly sacrificing a lot of optimal secondaries for ilvl. I dropped 10% vers this week, but I've gained 5% haste and 7 overall ilvl.

[strong forum]

I haven't sacced anything yet

Just stop caring about vers

(but I'm also not gearing lol)

[chilly brook]

Vers is a meme

[jagged pier]

and griff saw your ping earlier yer matrix is apprently pretty good

also tanking 10s at 205 on pink boi hurts

[chilly brook]

It doesnt get any better

[orchid frigate]

will mikanikos become a thing for us?

[chilly brook]

I put pink boi in the trash

[jagged pier]

57 renown

[chilly brook]

Started dying to autos in raid

But fr, even at like 228, 15s are rough af on a pally

[orchid frigate]

isnt bron kind of dangerous?

[chilly brook]

Meanwhile green boi is doing 9k HPS in 18s and able to face tank

[chilly brook]

How so?

[orchid frigate]

have a vague memory of him pulling mobs

[chilly brook]

The only way hes going to pull mobs is if you're not paying attention to the buff and have mobs in a spot where a 6ish yard knockback will social pull

In which case you could have mitigated all of that risk

[orchid frigate]

hm ok

well will be fun to try out

hope its not too bad to go mikanikos defensivly

[orchid frigate]

so monk is that strong now?

[chilly brook]

They've always been good

[mighty valley]

bron is only dangerous in really specific places where knocking adds is bad, like echelon in halls

[orchid frigate]

remember when someone had him and he always showed up at the worst times

like when a pull was almost over

[hot gazelle]

Hey, my co tank is a prot warrior, and he is not doing good damage-wise. I have 0 clues how he's doing defensively because it's only heroic and we have strong healers. I have no idea how to play prot warrior but I want to help him. What should I look in logs to help him improve in raids please ?

[chilly brook]

Drop the logs here

Hard to know exactly without just seeing them myself tbh

[hot gazelle]

thanks, here are the logs from yesterday : https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1GBxN7vV4nRpT2JK#fight=last&type=damage-done&translate=true

[distant crystal]

you just wanted to flex your pink parse

damn dirty monks

[mighty valley]

are they not running AM? low number of Avatar

no pot too

doing better parse-wise than some of your dps though! it's not ultra tragic

[modern brook]

Heavy repercussions is wrong

Casts are a little on the low side but could just be downtime idr the fight tbh

[hot gazelle]

Yes it's not tragic, but he wants to get better and I don't know how to help him

[mighty valley]

Switch to Anger Management, use a pot with lust

Easiest gains

[modern brook]

The wall isn't doing much for him on this fight

[chilly brook]

Shield slam casts seem right

Revenge seems about right

[mental scarab]

To many IP

[chilly brook]

More avatar

Aka run AM

No intervene

[modern brook]

He's running wall

[chilly brook]

Should be running reprisal

[modern brook]

Which is honestly tragic with 7 chargea

[chilly brook]

If he ran reprisal

He'd have like 90+% blocked

Also aegis is nice

But its not doing him any favors in raid fights in terms of damage done

[jagged pier]

aegis is dog for damage

but fucking insane for mitigation in m+ anyways

[modern brook]

weird

he uses reprisal in other fights

[distant crystal]

maybe he got clapped by something in this one

[modern brook]

nvm thats why

[distant crystal]

wanted to pump it up

[modern brook]

i dont play prot in raid

[jagged pier]

hes wasting a lot of rage for a raid encounter

[modern brook]

but i assume you shoul have more than 10 charges + intervenes ina 6 minute fight w/ reprisal

[modern brook]

this is the big one for me

lots of wasted rage

[jagged pier]

doesnt cast execute that much

[chilly brook]

Just a comparison between the top log and his

I'm going to chalk up the difference in shield slam damage to shield slams without shield block

[mighty valley]

What covenant is top log? Necro?

[chilly brook]

Nightfae

[modern brook]

p sure its nf

[unique shale]

sometimes i do more dps with SS

wtf

[mighty valley]

Huh thought AA would show up higher than TC

[chilly brook]

Tldr

More execute

[unique shale]

Condemn or go home

[modern brook]

SS should always be your top ds

[chilly brook]

Revenge difference likely due to not running AM/reprisal/BSC

[jagged pier]

u dont run BSC

in raid

[modern brook]

and also just 10 more casts

[unique shale]

it is different even with AM/Seismic/BSC ?

[chilly brook]

Ye but those casts could have been chalked up to free casts from reprisal lol

That's what I was getting at

[mellow patio]

Hello protek

[modern brook]

Fair; hes burning enough rage to overcapping that it doesnt really matter that hes getting less free casts imo

and even when he runs reprisal he isnt using it enough on the fights

if youcheck his nine kill

[unique shale]

@jagged pier got 3 bis gear today

[chilly brook]

Brain fart on my end

[sweet summit]

hello hawgz

[modern brook]

hi hawgz

[mellow patio]

How are things in this neck of the woods

[sweet summit]

pain

[modern brook]

viable

[chilly brook]

I miss you king

[hot gazelle]

thanks a lot everyone

[mellow patio]

I miss prot chat

[unique shale]

as always no pain no gain

[modern brook]

you're always welcome here hawgz :^)

[mellow patio]

Also miss prot war

[chilly brook]

Where you be now?

[mellow patio]

Playing dh for now

[jagged pier]

[mellow patio]

I fundamentally disagree with ravager

[chilly brook]

RIP

[modern brook]

windows key + shift + S please

[sick sentinel]

exactly the same belt but with haste instead

[chilly brook]

I unfortunately fundamentally disagree with DH not having gluttony

[unique shale]

just hunting blood scale in my dream atm

[chilly brook]

[mellow patio]

Well dh is paper thin you’re right

Adds some flavor

[jagged pier]

get aegis

[modern brook]

not palying warrior has not stopped me from being here

[mellow patio]

Sometimes my health is just 0

[chilly brook]

Gluttony was just a fun thing imo

[sweet summit]

dh has like 3 cheat deaths how can your hp go to 0

[mellow patio]

It goes to zero

Just goes right back up

[chilly brook]

Like super cool just randomly popping in and out of demon boi

[mellow patio]

:^)

[sweet summit]

[chilly brook]

Fel Dev baseline was cool just don't think demonic should have replaced gluttony

[unique shale]

need to find raiding guild cause pugs are now wipe once and leave .....

[mellow patio]

Gluttony was good but fiery soul + gluttony would make dh broken

[sick sentinel]

i wonder if dual weild sheilds should go to prot paladin or prot warrior

[mighty valley]

if dual wield shields is ever a thing that's optimal, for anyone, i quit

[unique shale]

pala

[chilly brook]

Oh thanks for pointing out another thing that I dislike that's new about DH

[chilly brook]

They fuckin need it, doing a 15 feels like doing a 25

[sick sentinel]

double critical block

10k hit becomes 10 dmg

[distant crystal]

2 charges of avengers shield

[sick sentinel]

nah, it just fires 2 of them lol

[distant crystal]

aww yiss we give them 2 shields they throw them both away

[unique shale]

i hate heal pala its like 100% and boom 10% and dead

i rather heal bdk then pala

[mellow patio]

Dh bdk and prot pal all like that

[sick sentinel]

i like having paladin healer because i played one in vanilla 2004 so i understand what paladin wants to do

[mellow patio]

Difference is dh and bdk can find their way back to 100%

[sick sentinel]

they have lots of useful tools paladin

[chilly brook]

Hey to be fair so can pally

[unique shale]

as well as high ego

[distant crystal]

i like being a boomie with a prot paladin tank

[chilly brook]

Just once every 5 SotR

[distant crystal]

i feel so important

[chilly brook]

[unique shale]

i never could get along with a hpala

[sick sentinel]

is hpal dps portion more melee or magic dmg

[chilly brook]

Magic

[sick sentinel]

for when they are just sustaining

[chilly brook]

Judgement go brrr

I think crusader strike is also magic

[unique shale]

my favorite heal is shaman

[sick sentinel]

seal of kekmand

[chilly brook]

Also Hammer of Wrath go big brrrr

[unique shale]

too much brrrr

[sick sentinel]

the bubble was by far the best part

and a full heal to boot

[chilly brook]

Casual 25k hammer of wraths as a tank is a meme tho

[sick sentinel]

and have to remember in vanilla 2004 there was literal nothin that can remove that buff maybe few random quests or raids

you had bubble up you wre a god

divine intervention, why this was removed, i'll still never forgive or fully understand

[pastel sleet]

im seeing a lot of into the fray and heavy repercussions on warcraft logs. whats up wit h that

[plush tendon]

Lots of lazy prot warriors

[jagged pier]

^^

[plush tendon]

myself included

XD

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-gif-18805247

[plush tendon]

at least ill admit it!

[jagged pier]

true

[plush tendon]

bad enough I have to raid lead while tanking

[dusty geyser]

ew

[plush tendon]

just dont have the brainpower

[pastel sleet]

(i might be interested in lazy) is it just offensive loss?

[plush tendon]

You lose CDR on Shield Wall

but get higher uptime on SB

and it is a DPS loss

[pastel sleet]

is ITF better than it was last season because of higher base haste?

[plush tendon]

Ravager is still the play for damage and rage gain in M+

[strong forum]

itf was always the go-to raid talent

[plush tendon]

Im not 100% why its ITF and HR, something to do with SB recharge time

[strong forum]

ITF+HR together is literally just picked for MUH SB UPTIME

[pastel sleet]

im not looking at raid stuff. only m+. just showing a lot of indecision in the top 100 breakdown

[strong forum]

but playing HR in raid is just dumb

[plush tendon]

It is XD