i have 46k in dps spec
#protection
sweet summit
jagged pier
im at 71k
sweet summit
so maybe
high folio
none of my hear is broken
sweet summit
somethings up
jagged pier
68k* i had mentorship
sweet summit
/reload gamer ?
grave vine
probably some debuff
high folio
yeah i relogged
sweet summit
nice
turbid cargo
that happens when you switch specs to prot while you're in Soulshape. switching out of prot then back in after removing soulshape fixes it
turbid cargo
yeah took a few times for me to figure out wtf was causing it haha
granite plover
With what Soulbind would u play ?
jagged pier
for what covenant?
granite plover
Kyrian,
jagged pier
pelagos till 57 renown
granite plover
I am not sure what i want to use. Mika looks pretty decent with the cdr and that haste
jagged pier
then mik
high folio
is finishing a MoTs @ 5.2k overall p good?
jagged pier
is alright
jagged pier
oh it should be way higher as NF
high folio
yeah i figured
tbf tho i dont really do keys higher then like 16 and the occasional 17
so i dont have a lot of practive with mega pulls
jagged pier
yer but mists is pumper dungeon
jagged pier
226 🤷
high folio
hmm
just gotta keep practicing it
i was venth for a really long time
just not used to it
nimble laurel
this was a 17
what's the story here? can you screenshot your overall damage breakdown?
jagged pier
not of that one
its months ago
but it should look like
or around that
probably hynmal trinket up there with phial trinket
nimble laurel
wow, didn't expect shield slam that high
nimble laurel
ST moderate damage in a mostly aoe encounter
jagged pier
Its literally always our highest prio spell and does and hit really hard its up there like always
lucid pasture
I should start logging my keys
jagged pier
Yer
nimble laurel
are you running 2 potencies or 2 endurances for keys?
nimble laurel
I'm trying to decide between Show of Force vs. Unnerving Focus
jagged pier
Unvering
Its our best conduit
Turns LS into dps cd
And a okay defensive cooldown
This is how conduits go
nimble laurel
this is what I'm running currently
nimble laurel
for Bond of Friendship?
jagged pier
I just go down the left hand side of pelagos
nimble laurel
oh so you don't take Stalwart Guardian?
jagged pier
Yes i do
jagged pier
The left path is literally 2 potencies and 2 endurance
Inspired is okay but meh i only ever use it in raid
And then not much i think i used it on council prog and that was it
jagged pier
Base rallu should be enough for that tbh
nimble laurel
good point
jagged pier
Yes looks like my path
But sof force is like a .5% dps increase u can just take inspiring
green dagger
hello everyone, is Reprisal still the best leggo to craft? i dont know if its still worth it or is any1 better option
jagged pier
It is still the best
sick sentinel
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=357902/adaptive-armor-fragment
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=357888/condensed-anima-sphere
i don't think i got either of these, are they 9.1 or removed or something?
are they worth seeking out for filler conduits if i can get em?
amber herald
I got them from the korthia questlines
sick sentinel
do you equip them for any type of content?
mystic yoke
will it be a problem if i keep my legendary (reprisal) on my feet slot? i see the pin says legs but both slots look to be dom socket free?
sick sentinel
legs is bc more stat value
legendary has higher ilvl than anything else, and legs in that case, gives most stats between options
mystic yoke
yeh make sense!
sick sentinel
yup, wow is all about getting the biggest buff you can and keeping it as long as you can, not dying basically
early wipe in m+ key destroy morale
and you have none of the good buffs u had before
ionic fern
will it be a problem if i keep my legendary (reprisal) on my feet slot? i see th...
Sylvanas drops high ilvl boots. 🙂
empty spindle
Are we able to get a path for mik when max renown is reached ?
mint wind
Will somebody explain to me how necro banner works? I can be standing pixel perfect on somebody and the buff will not go onto them, but will go onto ppl further away.
its just bugged right?
shut summit
bugged
limpid pawn
asking for someone else - but
if you forget to press the "I already know this" button after switching covenants
and missed it
is there any way to get it back
limpid pawn
its not great
the one you have equipped is a better haste trinket
but alar trinket is the one you want
sick sentinel
i looted it from 4 M dungeon
tepid sparrow
so yeah, how sweet is kyrian prot? worth it to switch from venth if all I previously did was PvP a lot
i just did a t orghast and I was like "this is actually fun"
i'm pretty casual though so i'm not exactly tanking 15s
spring holly
kyrian prot is generally considered "best" on the same level as NF
IMO kyrian is better due to the potion, ease of use, and the fact that NF is overpopulated.
sour nova
However, as NF you get to serve the Winter Queen. As Kyrian you have to serve Judge Judy
sand pebble
never need to go back again
Until next season...
modern brook
so, i have PF timed on tyranical and fort now 15
Bad news
coarse dock
So kyrian best all around cov, if im only raid logging and doing a weekly 20+ is it better to go necro?
quiet crane
Dunno why you’d do a weekly 20 unless pushing but you can play necro yes
high folio
So kyrian best all around cov, if im only raid logging and doing a weekly 20+ is...
necro only keeps up if you have a coordinated group and are buffing the right people
coarse dock
necro only keeps up if you have a coordinated group and are buffing the right pe...
So ive been reading, just sticking kyrian i guess, thanks
quiet crane
It doesn’t matter in the content he’s running
I’m assuming he meant weekly 15 over 20
But nonetheless dan is right, you can’t get the best out of the covenant without it being coordinated usually
high folio
So ive been reading, just sticking kyrian i guess, thanks
if youre looking for a change NF is also solid. just a suggestion
is there like a banner or something that comes up when the tormentors spawn like with the assaults? havent actually seen these things yet
coarse dock
not playing that furry shit for anything lmao
royal idol
when I unequip my trinkets and rings, my damage reduction from armor goes from 50.74% to 51.43%, even though I have less armor. Is this expected? I assume I'm not actually losing damage reduction from armor, and it's just a tooltip thing.
sick sentinel
Has anyone here rerolled from DH to Prot warrior for Mythic progression? Just curious to hear why you did it and what I should look out for in terms of changes in play-style, CD usage, etc…
Ive played warrior for a long time but never “seriously” in raid so Im a bit worried/reluctant to switch
digital arch
guys sorry for ask but what is the best soulbinde for protection? pelagos or another?
elfin nova
@royal idol are you changing your target? Armor value changes with level of the target as well
@digital arch pelagos until renown 57
digital arch
ty!
quiet crane
@sick sentinel havoc got better probably as simple as that tanks are mainly simps for the group as a whole and havoc bringing brand means you don’t need VDH now, and warrior owns lol person pref aside they also have rally intervention with a conduit that can potentially in niche circumstances act as a cheap external and they’re super super tanky to physical damage
But again outside of world first you don’t worry about stuff like that, you play what you like and want and it’s likely not going to affect you or your group in any of the content you run.
royal idol
<@145709143792156673> are you changing your target? Armor value changes with le...
No. I just reproduced again targeting myself to be sure. I can remove my rings and damage reduction from armor increases
main wasp
is the Shard of Dom Blood Link an AoE or ST?
strong remnant
Hello. Recently switched to prot because my raid needs a tank. But I'm venthyr, which from what I understand is the worst.
Is it that big a deal for heroic raiding? I don't do much M+ and probably would play fury in there anyway. Am I really hurting myself for being venthyr prot? Every guide/resource makes me feel like venthyr is pretty bad...
rotund parcel
being the least optimal of the 4 doesnt mean its garbage.
strong remnant
Huh. I didn't really think about it like that.
rotund parcel
yeah neither do most of the people that write tier lists i think
strong remnant
I know being kyrian is the most optimal but is it a huge improvement? From what I understand the new raid doesn't have nearly as many bleeds to cleanse with the potion.
rotund parcel
bad isnt really the right word for these things.
strong remnant
Well the issue with venthyr is that condemn costs rage as prot so it feels bad to press a lot of the time.
jagged pier
its fine to press on ST
means u dont need to use rage on IP
and all of them are close for raid its m+ where venthyr falls behind
rotund parcel
i mean im kyrian, and i love having phial and it is really useful in those clutch moments. but yeah every cov is 100% viable for every bit of content.
door of shadows is also pretty nice situationally.
sick sentinel
The only bis potion for Kyrian is inky black potion amirite fellas
urban portal
Well the issue with venthyr is that condemn costs rage as prot so it feels bad t...
It's around 1/3rd of an ignore pain plus a ton of damage
The only problem is that it starts at 20%
It feels really bad to not have a cov for 60% of the fight especially considering how weak the soulbinds are comparatively
urban portal
Not to mention that the execute buffs don't apply to condemn
So now execute hits for the same damage as condemn
And if your entire cov is "you get 1/3rd of an ignore pain on execute", it ain't it
grizzled current
Oi guys I'm wondering, searching for some inspiration for keybindings on protection. I have so much stuff, I dont even know what I need to use often from
strong forum
everything
the only button you dont actually use is Whirldwind
everything else you should be using
grizzled current
Y I just figured I shoud use buttons double, dont know how that works with macros though. So for example I have charge and intervine on same button based on friendly/enemy or something. That woud clean up. My problem right now I play blood dk and dh, dh has alot less buttons and dk has less buttons still. So I have no keybinds left I normaly use
strong forum
the only macro to use is intervene/charge in 1
rest should be used separately
but yeah you will need like 30-35 binds
and its best to figure them out yourself
everybody has their own fucked up keybinds
cant make a guide for that
grizzled current
I just need to reduce it with macros by maybe 4-5binds and I'm gucci. Will think about it
quiet crane
It’s to bad they don’t have individual changes for protection warrior
And the venthyr cov
It’s my favours aesthetic by far :((
rotund parcel
fucked up keybinds 4 sure, when we changed to devestator in legion i couldnt use the bind i had devestate on for literally anything else thanks for like 10 years of muscle memory being on that key.
cooked me
rotund parcel
thats what key devestator is still on
strong forum
yup
jagged pier
that was my old deva keybind its now TC
grizzled current
what is a good charge intervene macro? : #showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover, help] Intervene
/cast [@mouseover, harm] Charge = this here only works for mouseover - can I have it like it charges my target and if I have a mouseover do what the macro does?
blazing condor
the only button you dont actually use is Whirldwind
we using hamstring?
karmic plinth
if you want it to keep mouseover functionality you can just do
#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover, help] Intervene
/cast [@mouseover, harm] Charge; Charge```
median tulip
So... if I delay doing a Calling until after the weekly reset, the valor from it will be Season 2 Valor, right?
median tulip
Not going to have a lot of time to do M+ for a couple of weeks
grizzled current
lol prot is so much fun, why woud someone play something else xD
plucky galleon
steep lantern
^
graceful cobalt
what is better 224.58 23%haste 15%Versa22% Mastery or 224.18 27.88% Haste 13% Versa and 24% Mastery
blazing condor
if you lose main-stat then its not worth
graceful cobalt
nope it´s only a neck or ring i change
graceful cobalt
ok with the 220 pvp trinket i got 31% haste but than i lose strengh from the top tank trinket with damage and heal
blazing condor
main stat > haste > vers > mastery>=crit
graceful cobalt
after what week we can upgrade the new Zone gear on 233?
opal escarp
old oracle
Hello everyone, I am coming to you for advice on mythic + for war prot. Talents on icyvein, wowhead, etc. board in the last level of talent "anger management", I see a lot of war taking "heavy repercussions". What is the best talent? thank you 🙂
primal cape
I switched to heavy repercussions too
Giving almost a free shield block or at least some extra seconds
Trying this atm with Kleia, but ill prob switch back to Devastator and Pelagos
old oracle
Ok thx !!!
primal nimbus
Do we know if we can put a normal socket onto a piece with dom socket on? So that we have two sockets on a piece
strong forum
yes you can have both a normal and a dom socket on the same piece
primal nimbus
Aight, thought as much, thanks
spark hamlet
If im not able to raid as Prot but do raid as fury what would be my best cov to choose
primal nimbus
The fury in my guild is going venthyr for raids, with the new leggo you will have crazy uptime on recklessness in execute windows
spark hamlet
I use Venth for tanking say M+'s also though
primal nimbus
what level of keys?
spark hamlet
Just say a 15 for the weekly chest
primal nimbus
any cov is fine for that
ebon geyser
chrome falcon
What trinkets do we like from the raid?
ebon geyser
i wanna say scale and something else
strong forum
we actually dont want scale
from the raid we want aegis
and then w/e is a good dps trinket
tame jasper
we actually dont want scale
wait?`what? no more scale?=
pine cypress
Jewel Heart of Ezekiel, is that actually viable or is it a meme
strong forum
a meme
strong forum
wait?`what? no more scale?=
yes aegis is better
tardy osprey
the valor we currently have is getting deleted along with conquest and honor?
ebon geyser
yes aegis is better
what about silvie trinket
strong forum
seems also very good
pine cypress
That sylvanas trinket, it does say, but does the secondary effect remove the stacks ?
doesnt*
strong forum
id assume so
main wasp
is the Shard of Dom Blood Link an AoE or ST?
pine cypress
Is the raid a linear boss order, or can you choose which wing to tackle first, like with Nathria
strong forum
there is slight variation
after first boss you have 3 choices iirc
and then some later on again before KT
pine cypress
And the shortcut quest I assume brings you right up to KT? or do we not know that yet
pine cypress
Fair point
chrome falcon
Has anyone else noticed Banner giving 408 mastery instead of 400
Do we know... why... that's happening
strong forum
All the mastery gains from soulbinds or covenants are slightly different for some reason
Pelagos only gives 318 when he gave 350 last patch
chrome falcon
.. how bizarre
strong forum
Some nerfs some buffs for w/e reason
chrome falcon
i mean i would hope that banner would scale slightly because in a patch or two, 400 mastery isn't going to mean as much as it does rn
but it's very weird that it's just 2% better now
pine cypress
Does it scale based on your mainstat maybe?
strong forum
Soulbinds don't scale
plush tendon
They buffed the mastery gain from banner a bit coming into this patch
abstract forge
Yo guys, u know if we have cap on our haste? o i should go as much as i can
pine cypress
theres no cap afaik, but you shouldnt focus solely on haste to the detriment of other secondaries i believe
strong forum
39% is when you should stop investing into haste
Like actually stop
Besides that, there is no harm to get more haste
plush tendon
Haste is our best stat, but in most scenarios go for 'more stats'. But prioritize haste on same I level pieces
Ill be surprised if you reach 39% TBH
at least this tier
strong forum
You can
You could reach like 34% last tier already
Getting another 5% should be possible
plush tendon
Though, quick question, with ITF, does that haste cap become 29%
thin trail
only can buy one item from cfrafting?
strong forum
Ye
plush tendon
You could reach like 34% last tier already
I mean sure, but you would have to be either really lucky, or unlucky in this case, to have haste on every best I level piece you get right?
strong forum
I mean...
Is it luck?
I've never had low haste ever in my max gear
In 2 full expansions
plush tendon
Well, I Mythic raided and I didnt get a single armor piece the whole tier last tier; im a sad boi with 0/9 on the Mythic CN tmog
strong forum
You can get over 10% haste from just rings ykno
plush tendon
so I think theres some luck in getting gear with certain stats
strong forum
If you don't do that, you're obv gonna have low haste
plush tendon
I want more crit anyways 😛
strong forum
Like legit, just equipping inerva ring and hc dena ring + sockets is over 10% haste
Just those 2 rings
plush tendon
gotta get those first :^)
strong forum
Then add hoa neck, that's another 7% haste
plush tendon
and I follow the I level>stats rule
strong forum
Yah but neck and Ring don't follow that rule.
Hence why I'm mentioning them specifically
You wouldn't catch me dead wearing a 226 ring without haste when I can get big dick haste 210s from m+
plush tendon
ah; well I have the 226 huntsman neck (154 haste) DoS ring (154 haste) and a vers mastery ring (with socket).... i guess everything else doesnt have haste XD
ah well, its all trash anyways
strong forum
I would never run a non-haste ring
So much waste
Like, I don't see myself replacing the inerva ring anytime soon
170 haste + socket
plush tendon
I think Id rather have more stats>haste, but prioritize haste when I get it.
lunar plover
Haste is king
strong forum
Same as neck btw
Ring and neck you can drop ilvl for better stats
Because of the lack of mainstat and armor
median tulip
Stitchflesh's Misplaced Signet is the best ring. Having a 226 of that in an early vault was a godsend
Best boi ❤️
lunar plover
That avoidance chefs kiss
median tulip
Yeah, that was the icing on the caek
plush tendon
LOL avoidance is whatever
you want SPEED
Speed=faster=quicker to mobs=more damage!
median tulip
w/e - the important point is it's a Haste/Versa ring
modern brook
Imagine wearing gear smh
empty spindle
Leech is the best stat
modern brook
Zzz
sick sentinel
i timed 16 spires
grand drum
half flicker
Hey guys! Just wanted to ask if Venthyr Prot has any sort of relevance?
Or am I really gonna be shooting myself in the foot by choosing venthyr?
strong forum
its defo the worst choice to make
but it wont stop you from doingX
but you just wont do yourself any favours playing it
stiff gate
I have a question about necrolord's Glory legendary in raids. Does anyone if it only affects party members or can the buff be applied to raid members?
narrow swallow
i have to remake the wall on my back right
jagged pier
I have a question about necrolord's Glory legendary in raids. Does anyone if it ...
it applies to the 3 closest ppl to u at the time
jagged pier
i have to remake the wall on my back right
well u first need dominant sockets, and u should really be playing reprisal, but if u want to use it at some point u will need to recarft
narrow swallow
reprisal feels clunky to me i can't really get used to it so I just play wall
torgh it is thanks
snow summit
The new torghast as prot warrior is kind of wtf - most of the points to achieve 5-stars are linked to kill mobs within seconds
any good tipps :D?
strong forum
🤷♂️ just make sure to open all cages, get all souls get all phylactery
and pull 2-3 groups of mobs at a time and mow em down
snow summit
You get 100 points to complete everything
+10 for all ghosts and stuff
so 90 are missing
strong forum
i literally just told you everything thats there to do 🤷♂️
strong forum
if you complete every floor at 95%+ and if youre faster than 5min per floor, and you get a few kills with empowerement you should get the 5 star
this was like my 2nd run this week, the only thing i fucked up was not clearing floors properly
okay 3rd run
and i didnt have a leggo equipped by accident 
copper lion
should I be stuck at 41 renown? already did korthia weekly, maw souls quest and anima resevoir quest... I did a calling but it gave me no renown, shouldnt the extra activities give you any missing renown 100% of the time?
sweet summit
raid/dungeons then
strong forum
you did the anima reservoir and korthia thing too early then
sick sentinel
i haven't done that thing yet
copper lion
so have to wait till next week to cath up if I did korthia too early?
strong forum
youre supposed to be at 42 if you did korthia and anima
if you did those while still being at 39, you did it too early
copper lion
so what do I do?
copper lion
thats dumb
sweet summit
thought they fixed that
strong forum
i have no clue
all i know is
catchup is always up to current -2
so if you use your weekly quests before youre caught up, you fucked up
copper lion
doesnt make sense to wait to do that and then do korthia on alts
sweet summit
last week
strong forum
yes
sweet summit
when 40 was cap
strong forum
because 40 was cap for literally ever
so the catchup is until 40
and next week catchup should be until 42
thats the way i understand it
strong forum
ye next week cap is 45
so, go do a dungeon/lfr next week
before you finish your story quests/weekly quests
short kiln
I was at 37 going into the patch on alt and still made 42 by yesterday.
copper lion
yea but you probably did korthia last up to 42
short kiln
Not true actually
copper lion
the weekly?
short kiln
Last points were from herioc raid reclear
But have done all the quest line and korthia content on him
toxic kelp
Whats the best soulbind for prot venthyr for m+?
strong forum
nadija
toxic kelp
ty ❤️
tame jasper
is there any page where I can see dungeon maps of where the S2 minibosses spawn? keystoneguru doesnt has them yet, neither does MDT
mythic traps or tankspots also dont have them up yet
strong forum
i mean S2 isnt out yet right
copper lion
do I have to finish all 9 covenant chapters on an alt to continue the chains of domination quest line
or just to the skip
which is chapter 2
sick sentinel
what would you reccomend inviting with a hunter for 17 halls
plush tendon
what would you reccomend inviting with a hunter for 17 halls
anything?
primal cape
atm i like to have a SP or Demo on group
sick sentinel
well, i often fall into trap of my group is me pwar, demon hunter dps, mage/ele for magic/lust, and then whatever
but i don't know how to build more physical group that is solid
plush tendon
We did a 20 Halls is week: Prot War, Ass Rogue, MM hunter, Shadow, and Resto druid
sick sentinel
shadow is always hit and miss for me
sick sentinel
not a fan of shadow cuz it doesn't bring a major thing to party, for DHtank for sure yes
sick sentinel
still, i'd rather have brez or lust, or some utility, giga slow/cc
they silence is bae
brittle owl
i'd argue that mass dispel is superior in a few sl dungeons
plush tendon
I think its important to think about what you have rather then what you could have
if that makes sense
plush tendon
dont worry about building a perfect group; get some gamers in there that know what they are doing and youll be gucci
sick sentinel
i run kyrian, so even with DPS related tanking conduits and talents, i can just pop potion to remove most things, and then i rely on healer to do magic
tame jasper
i mean S2 isnt out yet right
you nether prepare ahead?
plush tendon
Yea, just wait for Dratnos
sick sentinel
i'm considering doing KSM crunch like right now
sick sentinel
17 halls sounds might tall feat for me, but i think i can do it
sick sentinel
i just like having a rythym so i know why i'm doing what i'm doing
plush tendon
but I would like to know where the minibosses are
plush tendon
right now, me and the bois working on our Key Stone Hero achievements for the dungeon teleports
good week to do it
🙂
sick sentinel
how is it even hard though? you just don't stand in fire and you do the maximum dps you can at all times, don't waste the healers mana so you can pull again sooner to complete faster
big purple circle around me? gee should i take it out the group?
brittle owl
when you're talking undergeared af weeklies at the start of the season or high keys
it's more than just dont stand in bad
elfin nova
start of the season 15s aren't that bad except in the first season of an xpac
but high keys are a lot more than don't stand in bad
brittle owl
if you wanna time then
them*
gotta rub a few braincells together
at that moment in time
elfin nova
well sure but they're something like an 18 or 19 in s1
sick sentinel
i don't think i told it to record just now but i ran a 16 spires with 7 minutes to go
only death i had was because after first boss i pulled both the groups for LOS, marked on dratnos
healer say "the skirmishers kill the healer if you do that"
so, had to take a few safer pulls, but a good run regardless,
sick sentinel
i didn't want to say that because i live in canada, it is a offensive term to native indians here.
they get SJW offended over it, and i agree with that
plush tendon
I edited
sick sentinel
cheers, nothin to worry about
tame jasper
just make your own shit <:dandy:809705852658253844>
thats what I want to do, but I dont know wherethe mini bosses spawn to plan routs
autumn sphinx
thats what I want to do, but I dont know wherethe mini bosses spawn to plan rout...
Depending on whether you have a rogue or not, some routes are gonna look different. Generally speaking, you want to gather the buffs you want early and stomp trash with the buffs.
Skipping trash packs early on - especially hard packs might be the move, simply because the power of having the buffs will allow for bigger pulls.
autumn sphinx
thats what I want to do, but I dont know wherethe mini bosses spawn to plan rout...
As an example, clearing around and taking the first powers in mists and then just double pulling gorms until you hit 100% is probably safer and quicker than going through the two tough groups before the first boss.
Considering we don't need to gather 20% count to spawn pride for 1st boss, this might give a lot more safety.
strong forum
thats what I want to do, but I dont know wherethe mini bosses spawn to plan rout...
🤷♂️ youre gonna know them after the first time you run them
inland raft
So havnt ran dungeons other then a 20 for getting a key next week in a long time, ive heard spires angels were changed? Whats the new mechanic?
shut summit
back to how they were now
inland raft
Ah cool
lapis iris
Is there a way to get tormented to show up on MDT to start planning for next week? I've changed the affixes but it doesn't look like the mobs are showing up on the map.
inland raft
He probably hasnt sorted all that yet and likely wont til race is over
sweet summit
if youre EU you can probably update on tuesday and start planning then
if youre NA just wing it lol
lapis iris
Haha, fair enough. Thanks!
inland raft
Gonna be farming 10s at start of week anyways probably so can figure things out as go
Hold w and collect loot and make mental note of where they are
analog laurel
sweet summit
yes
nimble laurel
Are the tormented mob locations per dungeon the same every week or do they change each week?
sturdy sable
odd umbra
Hello, i have a little question for my war prot.
I'm going craft the wall for raid, but the main stats is hast versa or hast mastery in 9.1 ?
mighty valley
Stats are close, haste/vers still prob best long term choice
sweet summit
the wall is kinda dead now that reprisal exists
odd umbra
Reprisal for raid ?
sweet summit
but if you really want to use it over repsial then haste/vers on cloak
yes
everywhere
blazing condor
is this week considered easier than the previous "push" weeks?
purely uh
affixional
sweet summit
wdym?
blazing condor
obviously people are geared to the teeth and all but doing m+ is easy asf right now
the affix combinations
we've never had storming bursting combo
and it feels like it'd be at least on par with spiteful/volcanic - bursting/volcanic
blazing condor
oh yeah that too
jagged pier
but maybe at the end of next season it will be easier
jagged pier
well we get more stuff
sweet summit
owned
ebon sun
I miss the Necrotic nerf 😦
cloud stag
Does anyone know wich bosses mechanice in m+ can be countred by Spell Reflect? Ty
ebon sun
P sure there’s a list in the pins.
cloud stag
Ty for this friend
outer solstice
heya, for those of us that are also fury in raid and thus ventyr, I guess we going for draven? if so the overhealing hot we can choose in the 3rd to last row sounds interesting, but do you guys think it#s worth taking a finesse over an endurance conduit?
strong forum
draven?
dont you pick nadija for everything
just setup another pathing within nadija for prot
ebon sun
Nadjia make you go zoom zoom.
nimble laurel
what is a decent overall damage taken per second for tanking an 18 key?
strong forum
no clue
inland raft
Dungeon, affix, healer, pull size, etc all come into play, better to look at shield block management and such
strong forum
if you didnt die, timed the key and didnt get yelled at by your healer, you probably did good
nimble laurel
if you didnt die, timed the key and didnt get yelled at by your healer, you prob...
that's the answer I'm looking for I guess
inland raft
If timed key and healer wasn’t swearing at you your probably fine
nimble laurel
trying to figure out the right balance for shield block uptime vs. rage spent on revenge
jagged pier
tbh if i time a key i take it
i know my routes are slower than most but they will get to the end in time if no mistakes
inland raft
Effective Shield block time should be up nearly always with reprisal
But ya time or no time is the proper metric
nimble laurel
there are times when the boss is casting a mechanic or I'm kiting between packs where I let it fall off
or if the pack is all casters
inland raft
Yes thats why i said effective uptime
No need to blow charges if not taking blockable damage
Spunds like you on the right track since 90% of prota seem to just blow their block willy nilly
nimble laurel
I think I need a better way for tracking it
using a small bar right now
details buff uptime is only 60% overall
strong forum
Logs
inland raft
Logs but if you mean during pulls a simple weakaura to show remaining block time works
strong forum
But 60% of raw SB uptime is aight
In my run with 85% blocked hits I had "only" 66% SB uptime
But that's logs uptime
inland raft
Main thing is step 1 which is focus on living as you get more and more comfortable with your routes and pulls youll slowly learn how to maximize damage while doing step 1 and the more you maximize damage the faster the pulls tend to go thus lowering chance of dying thus more damage and you become a zugger
pastel sleet
Ive been using bolster now for a year and half (the start of the corruption patch of bfa.)
I believe i will be switching off of bolster now that i have reprisal for this patch.
Is last stand just a shitty emergency heal now? Should i use it on cd?
I ask because im very accustom to using it for SB in my SB rotation, and now that isnt a factor.
strong forum
It's still a defensive CD that makes your 30% tankier
And don't forget that 46% extra rage generated during it
So it's both defensive and offensive
austere cave
you can still use it for heavy magic dmg paired with the rage gen to spam ip
like in spires third boss when you solo soak orbs
strong forum
So any pull you know will hurt, you can just pop it
pastel sleet
Alright. It is gonna feel weird pulling it out of my SB rotation.
ionic fern
Meanwhile as soon as you talent out of BV you forget that DS even exists.
pastel sleet
Lol
I DS on cd cause im to bad to think about timing
I will say DS, scale, shield wall, last stand, spell reflect, healing potion, healthstone
Feels good to have so many defensive buttons.
inland raft
Its not that demo is bad to press really its just lose motivation to look for when to use it when dont have bv i want to zug
jagged pier
i just forget its there because it doesnt give rage anymore
nimble laurel
HOA +18. I am probably casting Revenge way too much?
jagged pier
no
jagged pier
your not casting SS enough
nimble laurel
yeah... gotta break my brain on the revenge spamming to focus more on SS
inland raft
Only wasted rage is capped rage
jagged pier
should look like that
nimble laurel
what scenarios, if any, would you not cast SS on CD?
inland raft
As long as not capping rage you arent in any rush to spend so can ss before next revenge
urban portal
Even then you can eat the rage with ignore pain and ss
nimble laurel
Here is the 18 Halls: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/p7A8KY6JcLThqrx3/#fight=last&type=summary
welcome feedback
jagged pier
blocked hits are low
sick sentinel
17's hurt
jagged pier
your CPM is ummm really bad your SS CPM is super low it should be double what u have
sick sentinel
got the first red guy no problem, then i got my face stomped on last red guy before first boss
nimble laurel
specifically for SS?
nimble laurel
what should be the most?
jagged pier
u cat TC more than it when it does less damage and gives 10 less rage
revengj with reprisal
could intervene more as well
would give u more blocked hits or should if your using it correctly
but u need to be careful using reprisal your wasting a lot of rage there
nimble laurel
overcapping?
nimble laurel
oh geez
I wonder if some of that is from throwing ravager onto a new pack right before charging
jagged pier
your wasting around 800 rage thsi run
terse yarrow
Sorry, this is unrelated, but what ilvl and hate % do you all think we'll need for the raid on Normal?
terse yarrow
*haste
strong forum
210ilvl should be good enough
jagged pier
210 and any stat lvl
terse yarrow
I figured. Guess I have more work to do lol
strong forum
basically, whatever the raid difficulty drops minus ~20 ilvl is good enough
nimble laurel
so...
- SS more
- Improve SB uptime (blocked hits >85%)
- Watch rage better, use IP to spend before cap in heavy damage
jagged pier
pretty much
nimble laurel
what determines the max time on shield block? Or is it always ~13 sec?
jagged pier
its 18 seconds
sick sentinel
i wonder if i should just run kliea for this one dungeon because of the bleeds
dim dirge
where you craft seismic reverberation?
ionic fern
Probably feet as head/shoulders are Shard slots. 🙂
lone sentinel
How much am I gimping myself if I go Necrolord? I really like the looks of them overall. I'll be doing HC raiding and up to +15 keys.
amber herald
for that sort of thing not at all
lone sentinel
Perfect, cheers!
sterile mantle
Any necro warriors out there have a few questions pretainign to banenr
chilly brook
Something you can't control without paying for a server transfer
sterile mantle
lol was asking what it stood for 😛 just transfered thsig uiy
sterile mantle
guy*
strong forum
Some programming code ID stuff for blizzard that happens to sometimes influence some dumb stuff in wow
hybrid ravine
Another random one - Crafter's Mark of the Chained Isle. Anyone know if this works on weapons/off hands? Wondering if I can get a higher level head start on a shield/weapon for the raid
mellow bridge
yeah it's based on stuff like character creation date, server transfers etc
pretty stupid
wasnt there a mechanic on nzoth that targeted the lowest GUID as well? I feel like there was something 🤔
inland raft
Anything that targets random people is potentially affected, guessing thats the default value to any random target effect if something is programmed incorrectly
stable cradle
hello, i am unsure on my covenant as we currently have the option to switch currently. i am going to be dps (fury) in raids and offtank (was main tank) and will be tanking in season 2 mythic + i am currently venthyr as was intending to fully go dps but its looking like better overall options will be NF and Kyrian? thoughts?
- i already have necro, ven and kyrian all at 40, nf not touched
quiet crane
If you’re main dps fury and only offtanking sometimes my recommendation is to stay venthyr as I know it’s hugely ahead for fury warrior dps, in raid playing venthyr isn’t so bad Youel only really notice it in mplus, but Is more then viable still just not optimal
But if you do want a good median between the two nightfae is slightly better then kyrian
quiet crane
At least when taking fury into account aswell
ancient pasture
venthyr for prog then swap nf/kyrian for M+ after
if your prog lasts a long time, then it doesn't matter that you are for fury in raid and go nf/kyrian anyway (edit: i can't spell for shit)
stable cradle
great idea, yeah prog venthyr switch later, that execute phase needs a juicy condemn
crystal iris
hey guys, anyone have an idea how much damage i should be taking in a 14-15... noone to compare to
Just did a 14 SD and took 3.6 DPS which i thought was a bit high
lofty widget
that's probably the wrong metric to be looking at tbh, that being said in a recent 15 i did i had 3.4k dtps
ebon geyser
crystal iris
Do i run BSC with seismic reverb or booming voice
plush tendon
you run BSC in M+ with Reprisal or Seismic Reverb if you want to pad; booming voice in ST raid
formal carbon
how bad of an idea is it to go venthyr as prot?
nova arch
I’ve just switched to prot warrior (from prot paladin) and hit 60 two days ago. I’ve got enough soul ash and the items to make a rank 3 reprisal or the wall but not both. My main focus will be heroic raiding, so which should it be?
plush tendon
Reprisal
plush tendon
how bad of an idea is it to go venthyr as prot?
not at all
not optimal, but Cov choice doenst make or break Prot WAr
but lots of wars go Venthyr cause of PVP, looks, or they main fury in raid
frosty flame
soo, is fixed that necro is like third choice, how impactful it is if u have a coordinate group with 2 classes that use it well (fire mage and MM hunter) in comparison to the other two best ?
sick sentinel
I do kyrian but I'm also not good at the game really
I only did 4 different dungeons 15 on time so far for ksm
ebon geyser
so our prepot is strength?
lofty widget
str for aoe and phantom fire for ST
lofty widget
nah there's no prepots anymore, i think ppl just call it that still
radiant oxide
are any of the new conduits any good for prot?
sand pebble
The one that increases str when healed by another player for 15 secs on a 30 sec CD is pretty insane
arctic meadow
Is necro prot with necro legendary to make banner last longer more raid dps than another covenant and legendary that boosts personal dps? Has anyone done the math?
shut isle
I've been curious about this as well.
quiet crane
Yes it does
But like august said it’s fucking shit to play around even though it’s strong on paper and really only benefits dps who benefit from mastery
serene stag
Ok so to any other kyrian out there, be careful not to accidentally bank your potion, otherwise you won't ever get a new one from your Owlbro until you either find the potion in your bank or it gets removed like all conjured items do after some time logged out.
Just something you might want to know
kindred pine
Anybody else feel like Reprisal makes Prot feel a little finicky if you want to get the best use out of it?
mighty cairn
not really reprisal is a ton of guaranteed value even if you don't try to min max it
kindred pine
Will admit, mythic plus seems to be the perfect playground for reprisal, esp with the kiting meta
But other than that, it becomes a little finicky for me when used too long without that context
jagged pier
Kiting meta is not a thing
dim token
Do you guys have any tip for reprisal? I’m using rumbling earth and tc range talent, wondering i should go for double charge and leap cd instead. Right now I only do the leap charge combo every 45 sec not sure if i should force more procs
cinder nova
Yes you should be using Double Time.
Like, there's really never a moment not to use Double Time.
kindred pine
Kiting meta is not a thing
I must have misheard then.
jagged pier
are any of the new conduits any good for prot?
They are both 3rd best for there respective type
jagged pier
Is necro prot with necro legendary to make banner last longer more raid dps than...
It only makes the buff last longer on u and you loose dps still and u loose a lot of survival as u loose reprisal, that being said it is the biggest raid dps increase
jagged pier
I must have misheard then.
The kiting meta died in 9.0 when ppl got gear
pine phoenix
Altight, fellow warriors i’d love Some personal opinions covenant wise. For 9.1 im going to maintank the mythic raid with my guild and im going to run m+ to around 15s and higher with pugs. Im currently necro but the banner just doesnt feel great. What would you advice which covenant to go? And should I switch at all? I dont care about cosmetics, just want the best one.
coarse meadow
hey guys, i love venthyr, condemn really sucks for tanking?
kindred pine
That's it then, I kind of took a break to start a business.
jagged pier
Do you guys have any tip for reprisal? I’m using rumbling earth and tc range tal...
U need to keep intervene and charge on a rolling cd to get the best use out of reprisal
jagged pier
Altight, fellow warriors i’d love Some personal opinions covenant wise. For 9.1 ...
Well necro is kind trash in keys as u have to run reprisal so u loose a lot of value, and if your gunna pug id say go kyrian as most groups wont have a kyrian and most tanks fill that spot andat 57 renown it will do about the same dps as a NF prot in m+
dim token
Like, there's really never a moment not to use Double Time.
Do you guys try to force reprisal proc when leap is on cd? Like by stunning/cc then charge. Or just leap charge most of the time
dim token
U need to keep intervene and charge on a rolling cd to get the best use out of r...
Oh right so I alternate intervene and leap
jagged pier
U should never intervene out
U loose value in the legendary
And u dont force it u charge or interveen when u nees to fill the gap in shield block
pine phoenix
Well necro is kind trash in keys as u have to run reprisal so u loose a lot of v...
Thanks, and is kyrian also the best raid wise for mythic then?
jagged pier
Thanks, and is kyrian also the best raid wise for mythic then?
That or NF its in the pins
dim token
how do you charge when leap is on cd?
misty lintel
run away from the mobs?
dim token
Like cc/slow then run backward?
jagged pier
U can stun, fear or just walk out and carge back
misty lintel
like 5 steps
jagged pier
Position yourself to charge to a caster without charge through mobs
dim token
Hmm I guess I have to practice a little more, I can’t do it properly without pulling mobs out of earthquakes and crap
cinder nova
Do you guys try to force reprisal proc when leap is on cd? Like by stunning/cc t...
I just Hamstring my main target and charge it by running away and jumping.
Soulshape, Leap, Intervene, Hamstring + Run, Shockwave + Run, Intimidating Shout + Run
There's like a bazillion things you can do to get recharges, all of them relatively quick. Just practice.
modern brook
Hamstring pog
jagged pier
yer i wouldnt suggest doing that
number hamstring will make the mob slower than the rest so if u aint careful u gunna charge through mobs and get hit in the back
TC slows enough honestly
modern brook
Frankly you should have a strong slow active anyways
Like 5 classes have passive slows
jagged pier
i mean u can just take cracking thunder which slows them even more
making it easier
but its not needed
cinder nova
I've never had an issue with back hits using Hamstring.
Only time I'll see that happen is genuinely nothing else is slowed at all.
In which case, press TC
I feel like the slow with TC barely exists anyway, like you gotta run to fucking narnia to get out of our deadzone unless they're casting.
Speaking of, that's another good way
Wait until something starts casting and run to charge it.
jagged pier
and again
cinder nova
idk, getting recharges isn't hard.
cinder nova
I mean... maybe? Again, I haven't had any issues with doing it.
modern brook
and get hit in the back
I probably do this a lot tbh
modern brook
:)
blazing condor
Poor cat
median tulip
Any kind of caster mob makes getting recharges in a complete doddle
crisp dragon
What kind of Mythic + groups will you build? I'm having a hard time figuring out a way to most effectively include a BR and hero with my friends whos playing rogue/DH
chilly brook
What kind of Mythic + groups will you build? I'm having a hard time figuring out...
Ele sham or hunter and druid healer
crisp dragon
You know, I think sticking to Engi rezz is better 
stone nebula
does the kyrian ability kick casting mobs in m+ like ancient aftershock does? Im about to change to kyrian but only because of the phial thingy for the bleed affix, I feel like ill miss the kicking utility of the NF ability
chilly brook
And resto druid is lookin pretty good tbh
crisp dragon
Ele is all good indeed, but I wasn't talking about the hero bit of the problem, I was talking about the BR situation
jagged pier
does the kyrian ability kick casting mobs in m+ like ancient aftershock does? Im...
no its a tether
chilly brook
Yea just resto druid
glacial flint
"the wall" has only 2 crafting slots ?
jagged pier
"the wall" has only 2 crafting slots ?
cloak but honestly u should be running reprisal
crisp dragon
For Mythic +? It never has been before, whats changing
chilly brook
Wat
jagged pier
what
chilly brook
Destro is one of the uncapped bois
glacial flint
cloak but honestly u should be running reprisal
yeye no worry got that. thinking about getting more ^^
jagged pier
^^
crisp dragon
Sure, Infernal is a mega poggers CD, but even with them being a powerhouse in 8.3, there just were better classes
chilly brook
8.3 had uncapped aoe
crisp dragon
Like dont shoot me down please, I'm just asking for why its changing
chilly brook
They pump
chilly brook
destro gunna pump with necro banner
jagged pier
can never remeber and i dont care about banner
chilly brook
Demo is single target meme spec
crisp dragon
Imagine being Necrolul
jagged pier
tbf im more likely to run banner than what my healer wants me to do
chilly brook
Tldr affliction got nerfed
Destro got buffed
Rain of fire uncapped
Mage got pp slapped
sweet summit
SUB ROGUE 📈
chilly brook
SUB ROGUE 📈
Inb4 sub oversimmed heavily and ends up middle of the pack
zinc stag
Should I go with Elixir of major agility when tanking or Elixir of major defense?
crisp dragon
TBC andy
jagged pier
#mop-discussion or fight club discord
chilly brook
Should I go with Elixir of major agility when tanking or Elixir of major defense...
Imagine tbc chat in not #mop-discussion
chilly brook
zinc stag
ohhhh
chilly brook
Imagine saying imagine
zinc stag
retail?
crisp dragon
So TBC huh, I also killed Illidan
chilly brook
zinc stag
why yall so mad?
chilly brook
We not
jagged pier
Imagine saying imagine
imagine saying 'imagine saying imgaine'
sweet summit
theyre grumpy old men dont mind them
jagged pier
griff boomer confirmed
chilly brook
imagine saying 'imagine saying imgaine'
Imagine saying "imagine saying 'imagine saying imagine'" dragons
jagged pier
chilly brook
griff boomer confirmed
Better than a coomer
jagged pier
chilly brook
Ok time to stop memeing and go back to bed
crisp dragon
Imagine going to bed in the morning, Im no boomer
jagged pier
hes a USA man whos always still awake at this time
stone nebula
If I use Reprisal for M+ Im supposed to spend my rage only on dps and Ignore Pain right?
jagged pier
gn @chilly brook 🛌
sweet summit
no you still want to cast shield block @stone nebula
jagged pier
i do that all the time griff its okay
stone nebula
no you still want to cast shield block <@!697257200988717167>
after using intervene and charge stacks I guess?
crisp dragon
no you still want to cast shield block <@!697257200988717167>
No in 9.1 Shieldblock is actually not used, contrary to popular belief
jagged pier
after using intervene and charge stacks I guess?
u shouldnt be using all your charges at once u use them, to fill the gap in shield block charges being down
potent basalt
Hey guys ive a question. Does all Bosses do physical Damage with there Autohits? So you can Block them with SB?
stone nebula
u shouldnt be using all your charges at once u use them, to fill the gap in shie...
aight thanks!
So far Im spamming IP as I use buff from reprisal, like trying to have both up all the time
crisp dragon
Any rage u dont have to spend on SB because of Reprisal is gained rage
jagged pier
u dont need them up all of the time
potent basalt
Thanks
stone nebula
I see, Ill practice more... I tend to start freaking out when I see my hp lower from 100%
crisp dragon
A good player never stays on 100% health
jagged pier
your health should be going down very slowly
like i comfortably sit on less than 20%
and still stand in
heals are coming
stone nebula
yea, Im playing like there was no healer in the group, so Im basically killing my dps in order to have all my mitigation stuff all the time
stone nebula
:v
blazing condor
is there anyone who know the locations of all the new tormentors in m+?
if there's a sheet or smth somewhere
jagged pier
dont think so
and i think i heard somewhere there positions may change week to week but dont quote me on that
or the mobs could swap week to week
that sounds more reasonable
strong forum
There is some sort of different positioning or different orders on a weekly basis yes
But time will tell
jagged pier
we will know in a few days
jagged pier
thats the same for everyone
jagged pier
i reckon more skips are gunna happen
gaunt dawn
i reckon fewer
jagged pier
that depends if u get monster powers u can just destroy everything
blazing condor
true ig
i havent really looked into all powers
only did a few PTR runs
the 15% damage gain for standing still was p okay though
mental scarab
Thorns power
blazing condor
depends on the value of the other choices
i felt like i could keep the buff up quite a lot
and it came back quickly enough if i moved/backpedaled
blazing condor
yeah i aint picking that shit up
jagged pier
like i cant take both
ither backpeddle
or strafe jump backwards
theres no inbetween
jagged pier
its always been called that
blazing condor
but you said there was no inbetween
jagged pier
i mean i get summoned to dungeons so i guess i dont go there
blazing condor
jagged pier
even though i have a higher rio than most ppl
because i did high keys in try weeks
ill just get them next season anyways will give something to do so i dont just raid log
blazing condor
honestly yes
i want to have the portals but i also dont want to
so i got something more than rio to aim towards
jagged pier
honestly i could have probably got them this weekend but instead ive been sat in the maw wait for that god damn horse
blazing condor
i managed to finess an SD portal at least though which is nice considering its pretty far out
im way out of the loop on mounts n shit in korthia
i just run around and collect nests and mushrooms
kill what i find
jagged pier
just dont got for the fallen charger ive now put in too much time not to farm it out
5% dropchance on a 1-14 hrs respawn
jagged pier
nice
brittle owl
future has increased interest rates and decreased financial security
enjoy rent life zoomer
blazing condor
is this in america land or not
jagged pier
not america
blazing condor
at least thats something
brittle owl
have enough money to buy a house but cant pay the mortgage
that doesn't make sense
you either have the money to buy it upfront
or you need a loan