protection

[hollow pine]

Conduits

And some fluff

[blazing condor]

Korthia rep is like s1 venari

[modern brook]

So nothing and I can ignore it

Got it

[ebon geyser]

I already feel behind...ugh

And is BS that u need rank 44 to transfer ash around alts

[modern brook]

Oh fuck I forgot about renown weeklies...

Game was so much better without them

[blazing condor]

I mean you get sockets on ur gear : D

[modern brook]

Who cares

[sweet summit]

i do

👍

[modern brook]

Nerdga

[distant crystal]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/771892991928565771/860234150161940560/unknown.png

[modern brook]

The thing that gets me is that so much of the mandatory campaign quest is not playing the game

Follow this guy

Slow walk this to here

Simon says

Bro I just wanna hit shit

[south kraken]

there's no dom socket in legs correct?

[sweet summit]

correct

[modern brook]

None, reprisal still on lega

[south kraken]

❤️ thanks. figured i'd pick up a tanking lego. so making for the first time haha

[distant crystal]

thank you for choosing reprisal

so many wall cowards floating around smh

[south kraken]

tbh just going off logs

😄

[distant crystal]

you chose wisely

[hollow pine]

I rerolled war for 9.0.5 and cleared cn with reprisal only

[modern brook]

👏

[hollow pine]

Didn’t even craft the wall, have the soul ash for it but meh

[distant crystal]

just craft a second reprisal and put a different mog on it

[hollow pine]

Haha

One for Saturday night wink wink

[distant crystal]

[south kraken]

any idea between hold your ground (extra potency) and built for war (extra finesse) in general draven soulbind? for m+

wowhead has hold your ground while IV has the other

hm.. nvm i see more logs with built for war

[jagged pier]

isnt it the women for m+?

n something

[sweet summit]

nadjia 📈

[south kraken]

i main fury, so leaving her for that spec

[modern brook]

Nadjia

[modern brook]

Go Theo then

[south kraken]

alright

ty guys/gals

[sick sentinel]

i timed 14 spires

pride bugged out because we died to bullshit on 3rd lady add at end, i died before i could hit absorb trinket

15 theatre

[mighty valley]

there's a really weird new trait

"if you're overhealed, get a hot for a percentage of the overhealing"

bruh i'm already max health

feels like so much will be wasted

[modern brook]

I mean only if ur not taking damage still

[sick sentinel]

where do you see that

hope springs eternal is a bit exciting to me, 8seconds of +20% mitigation when u use potion

[fiery warren]

Encountered that beautiful buggy mob before Devos in a 19 Spires yesterday

[autumn sphinx]

Guides recommend not taking Condensed Anima Sphere. I've heard that the tooltip is bugged and that it's actually 10 times more healing (2.5% instead of 0.25% in ilvl 145). Is it still bad?

Been doing plenty of keys around the 20 mark and frankly, besides CD reduction of SW and LS rage gen the other endurance conduits feel terrible.

[strong forum]

It's the 3rd endurance conduit you're gonna pick

After unnerving and stalwart

[lilac jungle]

Any thoughts on seismic reverb vs kyrian leggo for clearing torg?

[sweet summit]

seismic and swap to kyrian lego on last boss

🧠

[lilac jungle]

😮 thank you my brain would will never be that big

[sick sentinel]

i timed 15 top

this week easy

[distant crystal]

ubeast

[sick sentinel]

1900 rating almost

[mellow bridge]

this will def be a pushweek going forward

great affixes now that storming got nerfed

[distant crystal]

not sure what would be a better one, maybe volcanic quaking or smth

[sick sentinel]

timed 6/8 keys at 20 today. when last time i was here i couldnt even tank 17s

[strong forum]

If you play a bit more you can still get KSM!!

[sick sentinel]

the guides really paid off

esp ones from Mwahi and Pika

what dungeon gives the best necklace

[strong forum]

Hoa

[mild idol]

Hoa

[sick sentinel]

i got the 207 H/V one as a drop

and so i equiped it never really used anything else

boe

spiked collar

i always saw taht u cant get a H/V one from dungeons, had to do raid or PVP and im bad at both, my strong point is dungeon and light raiding

[elfin nova]

My dh killed sire mythic with a 213 pvp neck

Because i was hardstuck 1600

You also can't get a haste vers one from raiding

[sick sentinel]

you guys reckon Crumbling bulward would be the go-to power to pickup in keys

Combined with reprisal it should have insane Opener utility

where you can just focus on building threat

[pallid laurel]

Anyone have any thoughts on Koryan vs Niya for M+ (15s-18s)

[strong forum]

Korayn is better in m+

Niya is raid soulbind

[pallid laurel]

Cool, makes sense. Seems like first strike is pretty nasty in m+

[sick sentinel]

hunter or kitty druid or something else melee doesn't increase melee/physical as well does it or just WW

i probably play bad with them and quaking and shit, but i feel like poor representation of WW monks, who supposedly bring some giga melee buff (and rop) that makes life nice

[thorny bane]

Is anyone aware of any simulations comparing rage generated by the wall vs. glory?

[strong forum]

Glory is like 100 extra rage per usage

And wall you can break down to 60-80 rage per minute, to varying degrees if you get lucky resets

[thorny bane]

On top of baseline rage from banner? Or cumulative?

[strong forum]

Total I think

Ya, 100-150 rage per Banner use

with glory

So wall itself is massively more rage than glory

And reprisal is ontop of that more rage than wall

Because every charge and every intervene is effectively 70 rage

20 raw rage, 30 rage as the free SB and 20 rage in the free revenge

per charge / intervene

[proud carbon]

baseline banner is 60 rage, 45 sec glory banner is 180, 70 sec glory banner is 280 (per 2 min for cd)

excluding gains increased by conduits

[strong forum]

Gl getting a 70sec banner tho

That takes lucky procs + LS

[chilly brook]

Still massively outweighed by reprisal

Reprisal is literally 210 rage at the least every minute if you only charge twice and intervene once

And you can do more than that in a single minute

[proud carbon]

The question was about rage generated by the wall and glory ftr

I am well aware of the strengths and weaknesses of each leggo

[chilly brook]

Yes

But they're both worse than reprisal

Just use reprisal

[proud carbon]

...

[chilly brook]

Wall is ded

Unless of course you just for some reason can't be bothered to charge weave which really isn't that difficult

But you're severely hampering yourself if you dont run reprisal over wall

[thorny bane]

I want to see the raid on mythic before concluding that. Boss movement, facing direction, etc. might create risks for charging/intervening.

[chilly brook]

It won't

First of all

You can charge on taunt swaps

You can intervene melee on boss without even being displaced from your spot

And almost all bosses have some sort of moment where they cast something where they're not moving for a second and you can charge weave

[frigid spire]

[Old Warrior's Soul] or [Reactive Defense Matrix] for prot warrior??

[chilly brook]

Not sure tbh, atm not worth worrying about

[thorny bane]

I think you're probably right on the pure rage generation because, as you point out, almost all bosses have taunt swap and you can always intervene the other tank or other melee. I'm leaning that way right now. I do want to know whether I might need a shorter cd on the wall for sylvanas' tank buster, for example.

[chilly brook]

I'd lean towards old warriors strength tho

[chilly brook]

Just make your holy priest symbol of hope right after you used your wall

[thorny bane]

What's a holy priest? Is that a new class that they are adding after this expansion?

Cause I've never seen one...

It must be new.

[ebon geyser]

like yumytv said, Disc priest Beast healer but nobody knows how to play it

[chilly brook]

Fr tho

This shit is hilarious

Literally instant shield wall

[quiet crane]

@thorny bane I can almost guarantee you, you won’t I’ve tested sylvanas and felt perfectly fine

Just using standard setup

[river escarp]

Has anyone tried doing the 9.1 cov campaign skips? I switched to NF, and there was no option from Bolivar to skip the maw/intro quests in the campaign.

[thorny bane]

Thanks @quiet crane @chilly brook @proud carbon @strong forum for your thoughts, btw.

[chilly brook]

No need to thank me I'm just an asshole

[quiet crane]

You can use what you want at the end of the day but honestly you’d be gimping yourself not running reprisal

[amber herald]

how is a holy priest doing that?

[chilly brook]

Symbols of Hope reworked

Granted

[amber herald]

yeah but google says it's only 60 seconds

[chilly brook]

Shouldn't be interacting like this

But it is

[thorny bane]

Maybe fae guardians cdr as well...

[chilly brook]

Specifically when you spend rage with AM and symbols is going on

[chilly brook]

Negative

[amber herald]

ohh AM and symbols

I push with a holy priest

[flat elk]

How u think the combination of Last Stand + Bolster + Sinful Surge ( Venthyr legendarie) synergy?

[chilly brook]

Only NF priest we have is a shadow boi and he only casted shadow mend once and it was on himself meaning I wouldn't be getting faw guardian CDR

[chilly brook]

Meh

It doesn't stack

I.e. it doesn't extend the shield block duration

[empty spindle]

You run anger management with reprisal yeah

Or is bolster the go to pick

[chilly brook]

Yes

[empty spindle]

👀

[chilly brook]

Am

[empty spindle]

In m+ ?

[chilly brook]

Yes

And in raid

[empty spindle]

I’ve been using the wall in raid

[chilly brook]

No reason to anymore tbh

[empty spindle]

Reprisal that good ?

[chilly brook]

At least not currently

Yes it is

[empty spindle]

How do you utuilise reprisal in a raid environment though - no point intervening away on a dps and charging back in if your not actively tanking the boss ?

[chilly brook]

Intervene on your cotank or melee

You dont move

Charge before you taunt on swaps

Most bosses have mechanics where they're busy doing an animation or a cast where you can move out and charge

[empty spindle]

Guess shield block is just OP 😛

[dark lark]

Thoughts on Adaptive Armor Fragment conduit? Haven't seen any discussion on it in search

[sweet summit]

is that the potency one

or endurance

[dark lark]

potency one

receiving heals gives you main stat

like 3%

[sweet summit]

alright 3rd option for non venthyrs, and alright second option for venthyrs

so its worse/equal to SoF xd

[dark lark]

2.8% str for 15 seconds, 30 sec icd

Doesn't beat out SoF? Interesting

I would've figured that the strength gives a defensive component whereas SoF is only offensive

[sweet summit]

its very minor mainstat

its like two feasts for 15 seconds

[dark lark]

Icic

I was also testing Mikanikos in keys for the Bron buff and in anticipation of the later capstone, and that auto-phial is actually awful

But big haste buff at least

[sweet summit]

yeah its kinda bad, both that and the knock. but i feel like auto consume is better than the knock so just get used to it :p

[dark lark]

I might test out the phial knockback to see if it's tolerable lol

Does it interrupt casts?

[sweet summit]

well it knocks, so yeah

[sick sentinel]

Why do you still eat feast if you have hast food, major, buff

I'm at 24% haste personally most I had was 28% for a bit

[sweet summit]

because mainstat is more valuable than secondary stats

[cinder nova]

Why uh

Why do the soulbind trees in IV say to use Show of Force

When armor shards are better?

[sweet summit]

the what

[sick sentinel]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=357902/adaptive-armor-fragment

Seems good

Although, what if say a prot paladin did lay on hands on a prot warrior with last stand possibly to simply soak some mechanic

[sweet summit]

#protection message

[sick sentinel]

Have a nice like idunno 5-10k heal every second for 15 seconds

Oh I thought it was overheal

[cinder nova]

I'm kinda dumb, so should I or shouldn't I be using it?

[sweet summit]

if you run 3 potency conduits you use it as a 3rd

if you you 2, you dont

[cinder nova]

Oh good

Would you still say to use it over SoF for M+?

[inner pelican]

Is there a new best legendary for M+/Raid? Or is it the sames as before

[limpid pawn]

what is the ultimate goal of death's advance rep

[quiet crane]

Check pins moving forward but reprisal @inner pelican

[pine cypress]

Busy-work and an imaginary sense of accomplishment?

[limpid pawn]

there's no time-gated thing locked behind it?

like something that gives us power

[pine cypress]

Far as I am aware, no, the Campaign is locked behind Renown, not rep

I think like, indirectly there are power increases? like one of the rewards increases stygia gained, and Im pretty sure theres another that increases your treasures?

[sweet summit]

Id say sim it, if its very close just go with mainstat

Getting friendly to see the extra caches inside the shadow realm is nice, and there are some tmog sets and mounts to get once youre exalted too

[gaunt igloo]

so, stat prio is the same from last patch so far, right?

haste > versa > crit > mast

[sweet summit]

Ye, prio on ilvl tho. More stats>better stats

[crystal iris]

Hey guys where do I craft seismic reverb?

[dusky mica]

Feet if you're a raider most probably.

[crystal iris]

never gonna wear it to raid though..

meh works out, feet are cheapest right now lol

[dusky mica]

Domination Gear sits in Head and Shoulder slots. If you will never raid, craft it on helmet. If you will raid then you craft it on feet.

[crystal iris]

ty

[cinder nova]

Swap vers and crit if you want to be a pumper.

But vers has more than acceptable scaling and helps in more ways that just smoothbrain meter monkeys

[sour hill]

Does the final Manikos souldbind node tip the scales in Kyrian vs NF for general use (both raid & M+)?

[blazing condor]

Yeah kinda

[cinder nova]

You lose ST DPS as Kyrian, but you'll have more rage. It's also lockstep with NF for general cleave.

Kyrian also has more utility, so if you're okay with giving up some parse numbers for higher utility and comparable cleave, go for it.

[quiet crane]

Kyrian is most likely going to be better in mplus arguably already is

But raiding nightfae will take the cake still most likely for raw damage

[mental scarab]

fuckehm casters

[gleaming oracle]

guys d you think blood or warrior is easier for pugging? 😄

[cedar spear]

Warrior because most pugs are afraid of BDKs

And many healers dislike healing BDK in addition to probably not having encountered many this expansion, meaning they aren't used to it either

[strong forum]

Defo warrior easier

I think

Idk

Haven't pugged in 3 years

[tame jasper]

Lucky you 🥺

[orchid frigate]

"Complete Layer 9 with a 4 Gem Rating in the new score system to unlock Layer 10 for next week." is it for both layer 9 you do or just one?

[carmine prawn]

usually unlocking 1 will unlock the other

[orchid frigate]

thanks!

[patent salmon]

any other way to get reprisal beside torghast?

[blazing condor]

if you mean the power then no

But you can do TC and get it if the right wing isnt in rotation

And just reset in twisting corridors til you get it

[patent salmon]

which level of tc?

[urban portal]

3

Just chill out a bit

If you don't have tc unlocked

[patent salmon]

yeah it wasnt last week nor this so hopefully next

i can craft the wall for now

should i go with that till reprisal

[jagged pier]

i would just go get rep tbh

[urban portal]

If you need to tank at this very moment

You can consider a 190 wall

[jagged pier]

i mean u can tank 15s with a cov or a leggo

[patent salmon]

part of reason i was thinking of wall its because i will also raid on my prot

so might comes handy maybe

[jagged pier]

nah reprisal is better 90% of the time in raid and if its not better its still on par

for that 10%

[patent salmon]

ah i see

[ionic fern]

Reprisal is better if you can utilise it correctly and consistently*

[patent salmon]

fair guess i will wait

[ionic fern]

@chilly brook jep, both The Wall and AM are doubledipping, did some testing yesterday.
Apparently it's the case with a lot of different abilities for various classes.

[jagged pier]

can i get a holy priest in my group please

[strong forum]

Perma SW :pogging:

[empty spindle]

With reprisal we don’t have to run bolster do we

[strong forum]

Nop

[jagged pier]

no

[empty spindle]

Noice

[fiery pendant]

Using reprisal effectively is what, keeping charge and intervene on cd where appropriate?

[ionic fern]

While keeping the enemy in place as to not reduce your groups damage.

[exotic summit]

Good morning everyone 🙂 gpt a quick question , raid env Anger management or heavy repercusions with reprisal ? my logic says AM for SW cd, however I am doubting myself

[jagged pier]

AM because u dont need the block from HR

[exotic summit]

figured , thx for the confidence boost

[somber sky]

go fuck up those bosses king!

[exotic summit]

❤️

[sick sentinel]

How is spell reflect looking in the new raid

do we have one of those awesome spreadsheets yet

[pine cypress]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQgrszRE22Brb0f5k761vUXVe7MD1-qHThpalxzn0zWFRdQqrh0hM5LcQNoa-lLz4781S5rH2e9tRXG/pubhtml#

[sick sentinel]

ah i didnt expect it to be there, but yes ofc ty

[wide pilot]

Anyone know the confer price for r5 and r6?

[orchid frigate]

ok i have to admit that torghast is a tad more bearable now

but will probably be boring again soon

[river escarp]

Torghast as Prot suuuckkkkksss

[jagged pier]

eh?

its takes like 3 mins a floor

[orchid frigate]

super nice as prot

[river escarp]

How? What powers are you guys getting? it takes me forever

[strong forum]

Press revenge and pull big 👍

[brittle owl]

just gotta

big dick

all gas

no brakes

[strong forum]

:letsg

Fuck..

I've lost

Can't recover

[orchid frigate]

ugh

rough

[brittle owl]

no outplay

[orchid frigate]

is the cosmetic from end boss in torghast rng?

[jagged pier]

https://giphy.com/gifs/rhettandlink-seltzer-white-claw-truly-MZpttZB24TNXhIVEFt

[jagged pier]

u buy them from the vendor

[orchid frigate]

if you get one or not

i got one from boss 😦

[jagged pier]

i mean u can just buy them form the vendor

[orchid frigate]

i dont wanna!

[jagged pier]

random if they have them]

[orchid frigate]

i wanna be a hoarder

[jagged pier]

300 thingy

i mean not like u have to spend it on powers already busting without them

[orchid frigate]

need to save 500 for in order to increase chances for flawless run

[jagged pier]

eh?

just get without

[orchid frigate]

why are you forcing cosmetic on me? 😦

[jagged pier]

tmog >>> than everything

[orchid frigate]

am i so ugly to you?

oh

what does those glasses cost?

[strong forum]

You can always look better

[orchid frigate]

amen

[strong forum]

https://tenor.com/view/itadoriminaj-gif-22172971

[sick sentinel]

is this better than this?

[strong forum]

Yes

[sick sentinel]

show of force then?

[strong forum]

Yup

[sick sentinel]

ty 🙂

[median tulip]

None of our conduits are tremendously impactful

[sick sentinel]

i was reading icy veins now and they put adaptive armor frag on top of show of force if i understand correctly but i guess its more when you are in a party and not alone which is the case anyways

[strong forum]

Because its a placeholder spot

Mwahi will update it soon

[jagged pier]

IF u can consisently get the buff its .5% better than SoF, and thats only IF so its not better really

[civic burrow]

So yesterday I did my first couple dungeons as prot my guild told me I did good but can't help to think it's cuz im over geared as fuck but they were 3 hunters so it's tough to say I'm cut out for tanking lol

[primal nimbus]

Just keep at it and keep improving

[ebon geyser]

This no heals have me

[ionic fern]

Did you enjoy tanking? That's pretty much all that matters.
If you enjoyed it then you can just keep on improving by doing dungeons.

If you're looking for advice then we'd be happy to help but we would need either logs or VOD's to provide any adequate information.

[civic burrow]

It was a different feel that was for sure we were having fun just seems a lil more stressful haha ill record a dungeon later on and post it up im at work for a bit

[spring holly]

I run about 50% of my dungeons with a resto druid buddy, would Adaptive armor fragment be better then? I imagine the HOTS give it almost 100% uptime/usage

[ionic fern]

Tanking is a more stressful than other roles - atleast in my experience. You feel the mistakes of your DPS'ers/healers like missed interrupts etc and people also expect tanks to deal with route setup etc.

Ideally you would know the route you want to do for each dungeon by heart and then also be able to modify it on the go if someone accidentally pulls something extra etc. With Prideful going away the second part will be less important.

[ionic fern]

Be better than what?

[strong forum]

It's pretty much inconsequential which of the 2 conduits you run

Wherether you pick the 30 Str or sof

Pick which ones colour you like more!

[lucid pasture]

Next week we can take both pog

[tidal quarry]

If I swap covenant now will I be stuck a week behind everyone else?

Or is the hotfix not yet live anyway

[median tulip]

Have you swapped cov before?

[tidal quarry]

I'm 40 on all 4 haha

well tell a lie, 42 in venth.

[median tulip]

Ah

The forgiveness is next week, but yeah, you will be 2 behind this week. You should be able to catch up tho

[lucid pasture]

Which trinks would be good for getting sick logs week 1 and 2 ? As prot kyr prot

[tidal quarry]

Sweet, I might just hold off til next week, then go from there & try get the 5 renown in that week.

I've got an alt at 42 as well anyway so i won't lose out on flying.

[strong forum]

Phial and dreadfire vessel

For next tier trinkets idk yet haven't checked

[lucid pasture]

Never got dreadfire, not Even hc or normal

[sweet summit]

😎

[lucid pasture]

Bullshit

Maaaaan

[lucid pasture]

Literally going to 13k prot execute you

[sweet summit]

try me

[plush tendon]

So, me and the bois did some 19s yesterday to prepare for next season; what key level do yall think we need to do to ensure a 15

[sweet summit]

i did a 20 to be safe

19 should be fine

[lucid pasture]

Biiiiiiiiiitch

[mellow bridge]

do 20s now so you already get the port

so nice to have

[lucid pasture]

Failed a 19 dos then timed it on 18

Then we went and did 19nw two times and almodt 3 chested

What a sleeper dungeon kekw

[jagged pier]

i only got invited to a 19 pug

[sweet summit]

i just leech of guild

:v)

or, well, tank for guildies

[jagged pier]

i think im the second highest io in the guild

[lucid pasture]

Am not Even in the top 5

[jagged pier]

I was higher io than erga for a long time then i stopped pushing because i didnt want to pug

[plush tendon]

The pug life is toxic

1/10 would not recommend

[sweet summit]

bro my IO skyrocketed with the blizzard score thing LOL

[plush tendon]

make some friends

[jagged pier]

same

i got like 500

cause i still ran keys in tryan weeks

XD

[plush tendon]

now you are going to have to anyways for score!

[sweet summit]

barely play prot anymore

[jagged pier]

oof

12 points more than me

[plush tendon]

That DoS holding you back

[sweet summit]

yes, and thats ok

i have scale

[lucid pasture]

KEK DOS

AHHAHA

Did you literally sleep on the 40 min dundrende?

Dungeon

[sweet summit]

dundrende

[plush tendon]

with the nerfs, it might be pretty good

[distant kestrel]

any of the new potency / endurance conduits any good for prot or nah?

[plush tendon]

Hakkar no long breaker of groups

[sweet summit]

good like 2nd/3rd options

[jagged pier]

endurance is 3rd best and 3rd / 4th for potency

[sweet summit]

potency is within 1% of SoF

[lucid pasture]

Ohokay dude

[sweet summit]

so id run it over SoF cos both dam and defense

[plush tendon]

within 1% of 0% is not a lot

[lucid pasture]

Yall kyrian tho

[plush tendon]

KEK

[sweet summit]

exactly augusto

im venthyr bro

[lucid pasture]

Sorry mister r1 prot dps

[jagged pier]

for raid i would run PV ashen str for m+ PV SoF Str probs

if i have triple

[sweet summit]

lol

[jagged pier]

but meh 3 endurance and 2 potency seems better for m+ imo

that healing one is pretty nice

[plush tendon]

I wish they did the opposite for SoF; a thunderclap would buff your next revenge

[sweet summit]

ye

[lucid pasture]

Tru

[jagged pier]

just give use the talent back

and give use short leap cd and double time baseline

even though the talent didnt quite work like that

just change it

[plush tendon]

Seismic Reverb should be a talent

[jagged pier]

☝️

[mystic warren]

or they could revert the talent layout back to bfa style

[jagged pier]

ew no

[sweet summit]

they should

bfa prot was good

sl prot bad

fight me

[jagged pier]

im not saying bfa was bad

i prefer SL though

but then again ive always liked prot so

[mystic warren]

just give back demo shout DR in AM

[jagged pier]

🤷

well exepct when IP was on the GCD what a dumb idea

[sweet summit]

that was just 8.0

[jagged pier]

i know

i still have the ghuun recording

[lucid pasture]

Booming baseline

[sweet summit]

am/bolster baseline

[lucid pasture]

Tru

[sweet summit]

both ideally

[lucid pasture]

Am influenced by mastery

Maybe

Thoughts?

[strong forum]

Honestly

Am being our mastery

[plush tendon]

Yea, the issue becomes once these all become baseline, what the hell do you do with talents!?

[strong forum]

Would be a great design

@ionic fern

Speaking of mastery

[plush tendon]

maybe our talents should just give 3% vers

[lucid pasture]

Master my BALLS

Goteem

[lucid pasture]

Good torghast powers btw

[jagged pier]

cant wait to get the no jumping and no back peddling powers in m+

[sweet summit]

how would you do AM being mastery? 🤔

[jagged pier]

i will no longer be able to move backwards i only strafe backwards by jumping literally muscle memory at this point

[plush tendon]

higher mastery, less rage needed to lower cd?

[lucid pasture]

Influenced by mastery in some way would be pog, how im not sure

[strong forum]

Either increase the CD it reduces per 10 rage

[lucid pasture]

Hm interesting

[strong forum]

Or it lowers the rage needed threshold to reduce CDs by 1 sec

[jagged pier]

how about they just reduce our cds by about half as baseline so we have like the same length cds as other tank classes

[sweet summit]

every 10% is 1 second or?

[plush tendon]

or they could make a weakened version of AM baseline, and the talent could buff it

[strong forum]

10 rage = 1sec ye

[lucid pasture]

Thats kinda monka

[jagged pier]

@chilly brook showed use de way just get a holy priest

[lucid pasture]

But interesting

[sweet summit]

that'd be cool

i like that idea

[strong forum]

But could make baseline 0.5sec per 10 rage, then increase the CDR per X mastery

[sweet summit]

but i also like crit block :/

[strong forum]

That would be perfect tbh

[sweet summit]

just wish it was a better/more relevant stat

[strong forum]

Just have 12.5% base block chance, 25% critblock

Just baseline

[sweet summit]

true true

[lucid pasture]

Am being mastery would be more relevant then that shit ass stuff

[sweet summit]

crit block owns in like 4 dungeons wdym :v)

[lucid pasture]

Zzz

Now to contact wow devs

[sweet summit]

@ ion

[jagged pier]

bro they dont listen

[strong forum]

On it

[jagged pier]

look at beta

[strong forum]

📱

[jagged pier]

give use fury execute and fury WW

[lucid pasture]

No cap

[median tulip]

Will the block stat on shields in 9.1 be high enough to reach 50% DR?

[jagged pier]

depends on the k value

[sweet summit]

K-value increases

[jagged pier]

JINX ERGA

[sweet summit]

so its relatively the same

[jagged pier]

[sweet summit]

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/he-man-i-have-the-power-sword-gif-5305079

[strong forum]

No

A max ilvl shield will pretty much always mitigate the same dmg

[tropic linden]

9.3 we will block 80% dmg, that's how it works

Fight me

[sweet summit]

9.3 wont exist

[strong forum]

Just like 80% block dmg won't outside of crit blocks

[sweet summit]

[plush tendon]

ooof

[tropic linden]

It will, just need to wait 3-4 years

[sweet summit]

am i wrong tho

[ionic fern]

Hi?

[plush tendon]

whats the next expansion name then; World of Warcraft: In space!

[strong forum]

Read above the ping

[sweet summit]

let me fight the void lords already!!!

[strong forum]

And then the following stuff about it

[ionic fern]

👍

I only read AM = mastery.

Meeting.

[strong forum]

Good enough

[tropic linden]

Legion had some spaceships fights and scenarios

[plush tendon]

yea, but this time itll be like

Among Us or something

[strong forum]

Amogus

[sweet summit]

https://tenor.com/view/among-us-among-us-summertime-summertime-dance-gif-21266432

[plush tendon]

thatll be us next expansion!

[median tulip]

This fucking Gromit daily quest is utter shite

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/19dollar-fortnite-card-among-us-amogus-sus-red-among-sus-gif-20549014

[lucid pasture]

Any1 done spires recently

[mellow bridge]

fun dungeon

[sweet summit]

no but ive heard stories LOL

[jagged pier]

whats up with it now?

[mellow bridge]

fun angel time

[jagged pier]

i thought we had like a carpet nerf right?

oh no

[sweet summit]

last 3 mobs oneshot melee people with an instant invisible frontal or something

[mellow bridge]

so you know the spears

where the 4 lines shoot out in the cardinal directions

[jagged pier]

i mean as ppl say in my guild

[mellow bridge]

they shoot out from the angel instead

[jagged pier]

'free game'

'no bitching'

[mellow bridge]

so after there are a few spears down

you cant predict it anymore and just get oneshot by seemingly random lines shooting out from the angel

https://gyazo.com/7d5c17e2b68730bd39419942e83b173f

now imagine there are more spears down and it shoots out every couple seconds

while oneshotting melee in high keys

[ebon geyser]

Log in to get sht done...server shutdown

[mellow bridge]

oh and that bug was reported ages ago on the ptr

[plush tendon]

ooof

[mellow bridge]

and never got fixed

so that's cool blizzard

[sweet summit]

yeah all of ptr its been reported

so looks like its intentional 🤡

[plush tendon]

Dont hate on the intern; hes doing his best!

[sweet summit]

its clearly not good enough

[distant crystal]

i think there's a method to it

[plush tendon]

Hes done some great work like Mythic Azshara, Mythic SLG, tuning for early SL dungeons

[distant crystal]

my guildy was trying to explain to me how it works yesterday but i wasn't in the key just in discord

[ebon geyser]

so we gonna be down for 1hr?

[distant crystal]

but that mf knocked out 7 m+ portals in the past couple days so i believe him yo

[sweet summit]

show hack @distant crystal

[ebon geyser]

what am i supposed to do in this hour

of dwontime

[sweet summit]

go to the gym

[modern brook]

?????? What's the problem just don't get hit 4head

[ebon geyser]

time to watch plka vids so i can get better at this

see ya in 1hr

[plush tendon]

Take a shower, make some breakfast, make some positive life choices?

[ebon geyser]

im a warrior i already did a positive life choice LOL

[plush tendon]

Tru

[ebon geyser]

last nite my paladin was calling me ...

OOF

I got weak

I just need a more alliance theme mog

[distant crystal]

I have requested the hack I'll relay it here when he awakes

[sweet summit]

thank you, sir

[inland raft]

Do i really want to farm out all 20s? I did one yesterday and seemed pointless since not account wide and can just be summoned anyways plus dont want to do spires seems cancerous

[tardy osprey]

well you probably have 6 months until the next content patch, so what else you going to do?

[sweet summit]

nah just do one for 15 key from vault next week

or farm them for portals

[plush tendon]

I want the portals for the clout

[azure perch]

Does it have to be timed?

[sweet summit]

20 untimed or 19 timed

[azure perch]

Alright, thanks!

[distant crystal]

you're gonna feel real bad when these guys kill themselves trying to time a 20, finally get it, then find a 16 key in their box on tuesday

[glacial skiff]

So why are legs now suggested for reprisal?

[sweet summit]

more stats

no dom sock

[rotund thicket]

Sylvanas dropp shoes

[sweet summit]

^

[glacial skiff]

I made feet because I knew I’d get the SLG legs

Oh, neither last boss drops legs?

[sweet summit]

correct

[glacial skiff]

Oh well I guess I can wait a bit before worrying right now

[distant crystal]

as long as you don't spend cinders on feeties

you're golden

we'll have so much ash

[civic burrow]

Any tips on how to properly use intervien I haven't used it since swapping feels like I'm missing something big

[rotund parcel]

aw i have to redo my reprisal as well then

big sad, thats 4 now D:

[plush tendon]

on CD

[sweet summit]

when its off cooldown and youre not above 55 rage, use it

its that simple

[plush tendon]

and it doesnt matter who either

[sweet summit]

just try to not use it through bosses/mobs

[plush tendon]

based upon what you are doing TBH; like intervene to melee if boss needs to be still, intervene to range for a quick charge back

[sweet summit]

you might get hit in the back

[plush tendon]

yea, getting hit in the back hurts

[sweet summit]

yeah :(

[civic burrow]

So do I click a party member or an enemy I kno dumb question but everything I click it it does nothing

[sweet summit]

i have a mouseover macro

so u hover mouse over party frame

and press button

[civic burrow]

So like heal bot?

[sweet summit]

i think so, yeah

never used that but i guess

[civic burrow]

Anyone got any add on recommendations?

[sweet summit]

weak auras dbm/bw+lw/omnicd/opie are the main ones im a big fan of

[ebon geyser]

any WA that we might benefit from as warriors?

[autumn sphinx]

nameplate cast target is quite nice for randomly targeted abilities that can be reflected

Like bite in mists and the dot in sanguine

[plush tendon]

WAs are sort of a personal thing; basically any information you need to keep track of like dungeon debuffs, SB time, aura/buff uptime, etc.

theres a bunch out there you can copy; sort of need to determine what works best for you. One size does not fit all

[ebon geyser]

like dun said, is there one that kinda help me with Spell reflect

[autumn sphinx]

I also strongly recommend spell CDs on nameplate.

[plush tendon]

that helps; there is also a weakaura that tracks spell casts so you can time a mutli reflect

wasnt helpful for me; too much information on my screen to be worthwhile

[plush tendon]

The self learning one right?

[chilly brook]

That's funny as hell

[autumn sphinx]

Yeah. Combining the two (nameplate on target) and spell CDs makes managing mobs a lot easier.

Like reflecting the soul crusher guys in the beginning of mists.

[oblique garnet]

what

[sweet summit]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/859647900446883840/Kekw_Shield_Wall.mp4

@oblique garnet

[chilly brook]

Symbols of Hope's interaction with other cooldown reductions is broken

[oblique garnet]

Wait hold up

[strong forum]

he doesn't know

[plush tendon]

D:

[strong forum]

he lacks critical information

[plush tendon]

wait, so SW is a 20 second CD

with AM and The Wall?

[strong forum]

Exhil has a 0 sec CD

Crimson vial has a 0 sec CD

And so on :)

Symbol of hope is majorly borked

[sweet summit]

crimson vial pepelaugh

[chilly brook]

No

I'm not using the wall in that video

[oblique garnet]

What even is symbol of hope

[sweet summit]

both of them ahve a weird interaction

[strong forum]

New priest thingy

[oblique garnet]

Ah

[sweet summit]

holy priest ability?

or all priests?

[strong forum]

Holy I think

[plush tendon]

ah

Priests

OPOPOP

that a holy priest?

[mellow bridge]

so did two priests cast symbol of hope in that clip or what

[chilly brook]

Holy priest

Ye

[strong forum]

1 priest

[mellow bridge]

how does it work with 1

[strong forum]

It's just borked

[chilly brook]

2 priests

[mellow bridge]

i mean it got reduced twice in a row right

so that's two symbols or?

[sweet summit]

nah

[strong forum]

Ah 2, and then double dips

[chilly brook]

Yes

2 priests

[sweet summit]

its a weird interaction with am and the wall

oh you have two too

[chilly brook]

2 separate symbol casts

[oblique garnet]

8 months btw

[sweet summit]

two holy priests

🤔

[strong forum]

New meta

Infinite defensive CDs

[chilly brook]

To break it down

[sweet summit]

i trust

[mellow bridge]

go only holy priests

[chilly brook]

2 symbol of hope castw

[mellow bridge]

who needs heal cds when your entire raid has perma defensives

pog

[chilly brook]

But one for first blood price

Another for the next

So I'm getting back to back shield walls

But they're not stacking the cast

It's just broken lmao

[elfin nova]

It reduces the cooldown by 1 minute right? Or what's the wording

[strong forum]

Reduce the CD by 1min,then I guess stalwart guardian reduces it to 20sec

[chilly brook]

60 sec is the wording

[strong forum]

somehow

[elfin nova]

🍝

I thought it was supposed to take a flat 60s off of the current cooldown

But i guess not

[chilly brook]

That's how it's supposed to work

[sick sentinel]

Is the toiling groundkeeper in HoA supposed to hit me for 20%

https://gyazo.com/f4e11ccf4820b51f03e318d4ac15044a

Ithe smack and jaws of stone are outliers in this

[blazing condor]

maybe you had a gap in your mitigation?

[timber slate]

i read toilet groundkeeper...

[jagged pier]

when they enrage they hit hard

[sick sentinel]

the actual groundkeepers enrage?

[jagged pier]

yer

if they are the mobs im thinking of

[distant crystal]

i don't think they are

it's the smallies

i think there's similar mobs in sangy d that enrage

[jagged pier]

the smallies around the whirlwind guy?

oh HoA

yer im thinking of the wrong thing

[distant crystal]

their smack just...smacks hard

[jagged pier]

yer probs a drop in mitigation

could tell with logs

[sick sentinel]

Agh alright , next time ill bring something more substantive

HoA is by far the hardest dungeon i've tanked

this was a +21

[amber herald]

I always find HOA hard on my warrior

[sick sentinel]

Yeah, its all bolts and Bleeds

[blazing condor]

when youre a pwarr in HOA youre all in the hands of your team

they cant miss interrupts

and cc

boomie is uber value for Solar beam there

and trees

[sick sentinel]

Boomie is by far the most desired dps for me

if im hosting my keys theres always a boomie there

[distant crystal]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/121880895211831302/856561580287721532/Vampire4.png

but you gotta call for treants often or they'll start rando dropping for the astral power

[torpid egret]

Anybody main tanking as fury prot?

[jagged pier]

I fuking wish

but that would be a question for #mop-discussion

[sweet summit]

if you play classic vanilla sure

its not a thing in tbc/retail

[torpid egret]

I mean, with a shield

For say flurry down to shield slam

[sweet summit]

https://discord.gg/RbCZJtw

[inland raft]

Go to fight club discord

But short answer is it’s not a tging in tbc

[plush tendon]

I may have been saved bois; Going to swap to Necro (cause i screwed myself by queing up a cov change) and then when they flip the switch later this week, I can go right back to NF or Kyrian 😄

[sweet summit]

letsgooooooo

[plush tendon]

huge gains

Thanks Ion's intern

[jagged pier]

LETSSSS GOOOOOOOO

[timber slate]

asmongold does it

[inland raft]

Wait how does queing a change fuck you?

[jagged pier]

whos asmongold?

[timber slate]

[plush tendon]

So i have part 2 ready to hand in; I cant delete the quest and go for a swap to Kyrian until I switch to Necro first

[torpid egret]

Is this retail server?

[plush tendon]

which means, swap to Necro, wait two resets, swap to Kyrian

[sweet summit]

yes it is

[torpid egret]

REtail should I say

[inland raft]

Yes

[sweet summit]

i linked the classic one

[torpid egret]

Oof

[inland raft]

Reeeeetail

[plush tendon]

But thats also my fault for playing 3 different covs on my warrior

[torpid egret]

Yuvk

Yuck

[sweet summit]

epic edgy

[jagged pier]

wow

[plush tendon]

yea, take your classic babble and throw it away

[inland raft]

I mean tbc is more yuck so

[jagged pier]

so cool man

[plush tendon]

we dont need the boomer crusade in here

[ebon geyser]

tbc is only good because is when paladins went tanks

[plush tendon]

its already done enough damage to my guild... taking our boomers away

[inland raft]

Tbc took my healer and boomy from me

[ebon geyser]

im about to flip out, cant progress kyrian because i cant trigger ren 8 quest

[plush tendon]

Should change this channel name to TBC Abandonment support group

[inland raft]

Just sucks cuz looks like ill be a pug hero this season which means just soing weekly 15s probably cuz dont enjoy the game as much pugging

Fuck tbc

[plush tendon]

TBC is already beaten for me; log on once a week, clear the raid, see everyone next week

[jagged pier]

^^

[plush tendon]

And i already have 10 of my BiS pieces

[jagged pier]

i have none

[inland raft]

Sadly my friends are the obsessive type the one spends 14 hours a day gold farming for no reason

[ebon geyser]

i feel im the only warrior in this kyrian hub

[inland raft]

He has everything and just does it compulsively but wont come back to retail

[jagged pier]

im literally stood there right now

[plush tendon]

join us in Ardenweald 😄

[dark lark]

The problem with going NF for keys is that the majority of other dps are NF

[plush tendon]

I love my lion soulshape

https://tenor.com/view/lion-king-simba-roar-cute-lion-cub-gif-17303165

[sweet summit]

looks like a lot of specs are swapping off nf

[plush tendon]

theres a lot of change for dps right now

[dark lark]

And so if you find yourself in NW or Spires, then you might not have a Kyrian unless you find a WW

[plush tendon]

yea, that doesnt affect me

[sweet summit]

hunters go kyrian now i think

[plush tendon]

I play with a Kyrian WW and Hpal

oh, and a kyrian hunter

[dark lark]

You can get away with no Necrolords in your group, but Kyr is pretty imperative for mainstream routes

[plush tendon]

the only thing I will say; super awful to use urns in DoS when you are tank

[dark lark]

Yeah definitely

[amber herald]

kyrian hunter?

[jagged pier]

yer

they are now

[plush tendon]

it is de way now

[sweet summit]

yes

[plush tendon]

Frost mage most likely becomes meta over fire (my take, but who knows) so they take the venthyr spot

but we shall see how things shape up

[dark lark]

I feel like both will be good

[plush tendon]

I hope its frost

[brittle owl]

die fire mage die

[plush tendon]

i hate fire in SL

[dark lark]

Frost also works as NF

[brittle owl]

arcane meta when

[plush tendon]

ruined a great spec

[dark lark]

Since it brings IV back sooner

[plush tendon]

soon, they are quite strong

[brittle owl]

arcane is the 200iq mage spec anyway

[dark lark]

Do Ele shamans go back to Necro since prides are going away

[plush tendon]

they can realistically be Necro, Venthyr, or NF

Necro better in raid, NF for M+

but again, thats just based on recos from writers; I dont play Ele

and I think Blizz is getting closer to the ideal where most specs can play what they want and not be hampered too much

[cinder nova]

I don't think I'll be swapping until we hit a point where the last ability in the bind tree opens up.

[ebon geyser]

https://c.tenor.com/RVi1u8Q3uMYAAAAM/sweating-hot.gif

[grim urchin]

Anyone noticed banner behaving wierd? It keeps buffing the same two people all the time, even when the healer is 20 yards away and i have my dk and dh in melee with me

[plush tendon]

if thats how it works, that would be awesome 😄

preemptively choose your targets

[grim urchin]

Yes, that would be nice, but it's even wierder

[plush tendon]

thats why im all for party wide buffs rather then two closest

[grim urchin]

It went on the dh and healer all my banners in DOS

[elfin nova]

i heard someone else say the same

would be interested to know how consistently it does this, and how if at all you can reset it

[grim urchin]

We even kicked the dh and druid, had them stand 30 yards away

2 other dps with me and they still recieved the buff

It does it all the times.

When DH logged off, it started going on another dps

Healer still gets it, in party or not

Still being far longer from me then two other people

[elfin nova]

supposedly it snapshots after one use

did it/does it reset when you relog?

[grim urchin]

Tested it now on two randoms in khortia. Lock and monk close to me. It buffed the monk and a hunter standing further from the lock haha

No

[elfin nova]

ok so even a 'fresh' cast is just buffing the wrong people

[grim urchin]

Yes

[elfin nova]

that's bad

[grim urchin]

Only thing we can think of is the key swapper after finishing key. We all 3 did swap our keys

[elfin nova]

being able to get it on the same people every time with no movement required would be nice

[grim urchin]

Tested once more on randoms. Two closest to me did not even get it. Another dude 25 yards away and someone else. Could not even find him

[elfin nova]

📉

[blazing condor]

8 months wasnt enough to tune necro warrior

[sweet summit]

die necro die

[blazing condor]

😳

but they alredy ded

[sweet summit]

die again

[blazing condor]

drenched in sin?

[sweet summit]

yes

[blazing condor]

[sweet summit]

come sin with me 😈

[blazing condor]

[modern brook]

All of them are dead

Necrolords just have bones

[blazing condor]

o shit u rite

[distant crystal]

so timed 18 for a 15 in your box

ez

[blazing condor]

you only need 18?

for s2

[distant crystal]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/blizzard-on-great-vault-loot-in-season-2-item-level-curve-adjustment-for-mythic-323191

drops 3 levels

[blazing condor]

[plush tendon]

looks like me and the bois didnt need to push to 21

kek

[sweet summit]

clout score with portal tho

right

[sick sentinel]

plague fall key again, i hate that dungeon forever

worse than TD

i fall into trap when i make PF groups, usually want necro, and a rogue, usually end up with 2 melee and not as good

i notice that i invite, DH, shaman, mage, X(magic) those groups tend to work out alot smoother other dungeons

[mighty valley]

what's TD?

[distant crystal]

tol dagor prob

[mighty valley]

oh, tol'dagor? i was going through all the shadowlands dungeons in my mind lol

[sweet summit]

tdeez dnuts

[strong forum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/585869263223521291.png?v=1

[junior spade]

Is prot warrior still good in dungeons using the wall or should I practice more with reprisal?

[strong forum]

reprisal is superior

[plush tendon]

Reprisal is de way

[junior spade]

Alright. I will stop being a baby and get better with it. Thank you lol

[plush tendon]

learn it, live it, love it

[inland raft]

Reprisal more damage and more defense, reprisal is love

I have a cash register sound go off every time i charge or intervene

[plush tendon]

thats pretty cool

I might do a 'ara ara' or a 'uwu' for mine

thats a good idea

[sweet summit]

i hate weebs man

you're so weird

[blazing condor]

Did they patch the mf uh

Portals

For doing a 20 this week

[plush tendon]

Seems like a perfect way to troll my group
😛

Ill make it a chat thing

kek

[grizzled forge]

I see a lot more Heavy Rep being used now is there a specific haste you should be hitting to run it?

[sweet summit]

nah dont use it

[plush tendon]

Its a build that andybrew uses, but if you dont know why hes using it, dont use it

[grizzled forge]

Well a lot are using now not just Andy

[blazing condor]

Its good that our playstyle makes up 99% cus i really like playing itf/hr

[sweet summit]

doesnt mean you should use it

am is just better

unless youre giga key gamer

[jagged pier]

People following what top players are doing even though they arent doing content close to what they do

[grizzled forge]

Guess you all just make your own strats for raid too?

[sweet summit]

lol ok man

[jagged pier]

Stats KEKW

[distant crystal]

if i was doing mythic endboss in the first two weeks of the tier, copying limit would be pretty big brain

[grizzled forge]

All I’m sayin is you watch better players and you practice different things to get better so you can stop doin 20s and do 23s 24s etc

[jagged pier]

Well i can tell you what darky did

He equiped the highest ilvl pieces he could

[grizzled forge]

So if higher people are using something why not seek out why

[jagged pier]

Thats was it

[distant crystal]

definitely seek out why

that's p much what they're saying here

[sweet summit]

they use it because it gives extreme amounts of shield block

[distant crystal]

what they're saying not to do is just copy it for your lower keys blindly

that said, you can also just copy it and probably do fine lol

[blazing condor]

i got all my 20s with HR/ITF and i know i shouldnt use it but its nice not having to commit all your brainpower to your rotation when you gotta think about the DG shit

but thats just me

[ionic fern]

Andy has said that he is running itf+hr because he's lazy as far as i remember. It's just the "i'm tank as hell without having to work for it too hard" build.

[grizzled forge]

Well that’s not how the convo started I said I see a lot using it is there a reason why which is me seeking out info

And it was in return stated you aren’t doin the keys they do so don’t use it am is better and “doing things too key people do” with a Pepega

Top*

[inland raft]

Tup i run itf/hr cuz i like it but 1000% rav/am is better

Dont run itf/hr just cuz andy does it

Its not some secret answer its objectively worsw outside highest keys

[ionic fern]

"objectively worse" is kinda..harsh.
It's good at what it does which is providing a ton of shield block up-time.

AM is just generally more beneficial for the majority of people due to providing offensive & defensive value both.

[inland raft]

I like pressing shield slam and it reinforces it thats why i play it

But i dont delude myself thinking its better is all im saying

[ionic fern]

Going overly defensive with builds like ITF+HR in keys that do not warrant it is just gimping your own damage.

[calm obsidian]

That being said, even if you're not doing like 26s, it can still be good to go a tanky build if you are worried about dying. To your own limits IMO

[inland raft]

I trade a bit of output for what i find more fun is all

[ionic fern]

Sure. 🤷

[plush tendon]

I mean, you can play the game however you want

its not like Mwahi is going to call the police on you for having a different talent build

[sweet summit]

i will tho

[jagged pier]

I will

[plush tendon]

all we're saying is, dont just copy the top players build without understanding why they are doing it

[jagged pier]

[inland raft]

But i also just chill in 18-21s with friends if i was actually pushing id go back to rav am until at least 24/25s

[plush tendon]

again, just look out for Erga nad Jakey to call the police on you i guess

but they are Euro lads so if you are NA dont worry

😛