yeah
#protection
steady slate
i don't think so. i have wowuploader delete my logs whenever i upload them
primal nimbus
We'll try to log the next one and it'll be easier to tell you what to improve on
steady slate
sure. i've been uploading all my logs to warcraftlogs, regardless of whether we time or not. i haven't been uploading the partial logs from when runs just fall apart.
primal nimbus
Well if you wanna post one might be able to give a few pointers
steady slate
here's a log of a run that went sideways from before i came here asking for advice: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WbdL2kvQDf7B83Yg#fight=2
this is one from after: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6m3DgxfG18AaNQhC#fight=last
olive cosmos
Low dps from your group is the first issue. They are all pulling ~1k dps lower than they should. And thats a low average. Should be doing like 5.5 to 6k dps overall
You are also getting hit (20 times) by deadly thurst which is avoidable
primal nimbus
First thing I'm noticing is that you've only 33% of melee hits in the first one, are you not keeping shield block up whilst tanking?
primal nimbus
Also you CPM is a bit low, you should be looking to press shield slam and thunderclap on CD to keep producing rage.
ah nevermind, your CPM is fine in the second run 🙂
Should still work a bit on shield block management, only blocked 44% of melee hits that run.
olive cosmos
yep, you should have much higher shield block uptime. you also aren't intervening at all
I can give you macros for mouseover intervene and you can also macro it to a button to set to a focus target as well
steady slate
i was still sorting that out. reprisal was a pretty new leggo for me. i'm abusing intervene on CD now
olive cosmos
good, pretty simple thing to do that doesn'
steady slate
i used the wall for raid last night and it felt kinda weird
olive cosmos
I use an addon called clique to bind your intervene to your mouse click on raid/party frames too. Not sure if there is a better way to that via a macro but it's the way i've been doing it
steady slate
what i do now is pick a melee to set as a focus target and then mouse over the focus frame whenever intervene's up
i also moved my party frames so that they're more accessible
what i'm working on now is a set of reflect/block weakauras to remind me when a reflect-able spell is being cast. i'm trying to take the spreadsheet in the pins and turn it into a weakaura group.
primal nimbus
I think the main thing to work on is shield block uptime, abusing reprisal to charge at any given chance, and then to make sure to dump rage when you are about to cap, can see you wasted about 10% of your rage that run
steady slate
i waste between 10% - 20% rage on every run. it's something i'm working on, but the numbers remain stubbornly high.
primal nimbus
Keybind IP to something very easy to hit, so you easily can dump rage off GCD
steady slate
i have IP bound to 3, which is really easy for me to hit. i believe the problem is that i get focused on other things and lose track of where my rage is. i have a rage bar under my character model, but i think i need to add some sort of audible warning when i get close to cap. easy enough to set up in weakauras
one of my guildies just asked if there's a way to track how often a conduit procs. she's playing a demon hunter and wanted to know how often the Relentless Onslaught conduit proc'd on Shriekwing.
primal nimbus
prolly just look at logs
steady slate
i thought so too. i see 14 casts of chaos strike, but i don't know if those include the procs from the conduit. i don't see a separate entry under buffs or damaging abilities.
timber jasper
Today first sire mythic progress, wish me luck boys 😄
steady slate
good luck!
timber jasper
Thx!
short kiln
Should still work a bit on shield block management, only blocked 44% of melee hi...
Looked at second log... I cast literally 2x as many revenge as that... Am I doing it wrong? Lol
primal nimbus
Looked at second log... I cast literally 2x as many revenge as that... Am I doin...
idk, are you dying?
inland raft
Thing with tanking is balancing damage and mitigation, you want to only spend rage on mitigation up to the point if not dying then do damage
primal nimbus
^
olive cosmos
i was gonna say something about his revenge useage. Depends on his grp to be honest. Hes playing with some pretty low dps players that also aren't ccing as much as they can (fire mage cast DB once the entire run). Faster the mobs die, the less you have to worry about mitigation. I hardly used IP on trash packs. I used revenge to dump my rage. Unless I know a big hit is about to happen. Killing things faster before you run out of shield block is definitely better than spamming IP
short kiln
Haha. No. Not dying.
short kiln
Oh definitely not that either so I agree with you
The better the group is at managing the fundamentals like kicks/dps/priorities the more you can safely swing that sweet stick
primal nimbus
I find at 15s that as long as you have shield block up and are dumping otherwise wasted rage into IP, you will have high uptime on IP without sacrificing Revenge casts
olive cosmos
mhm, idk what is correct tbh. mostly a balance and smart gameplay. I don't play the minigame that much. Also 230 ilvl so 15s aren't really scary anymore lol
primal nimbus
As long as you arent dipping a lot in hp and forcing healer to spam you, you are fine to pump dam
if healer has to spam heal you, then you are most likely losing more damage overall
this is assuming healer is min maxing damage ofcourse
distant crystal
eh, feel like that's only really with hpals
who cares about an rsham getting some extra dps gcds, gonna be poop either way kek
modern brook
who cares about an rsham getting some extra dps gcds, gonna be poop either way k...
who cares about an rsham
ftfy
next you'll be telling me to stop for a disc priest to drink
Learn 2 play, priest smh
😠
distant crystal
damn i'm having flashbacks to HoA as a disc priest on grievous week
not letting me drink is one thing but this mf tank would just zoom out of range and pull some new stuff while everybody is getting owned by greivous lol
steady slate
wait... i'm not supposed to wait for my healer to get mana?
modern brook
not letting me drink is one thing but this mf tank would just zoom out of range ...
honestly your own fault for playing disc into grievous
sucha hard counter to the class :^(
turbid cargo
better now than it was at least
distant crystal
your only responsibility toward healer mana is to let combat drop every now and then so they can start to sit
then immediately pull and take the peepee
sick sentinel
okay, so, 2nd pull in mists, you can skip it with a bunch of things right
i'm trying to understand so i don't fuck up invisible skips, because it doesn't make a whole lot of sense
lilac jungle
what i'm working on now is a set of reflect/block weakauras to remind me when a ...
There is a Plater mod that will color cast bars of reflect-able spells that are being cast on you if SR is off CD
sick sentinel
plater is also threat plates i think too right
thats the mod i'm gunna have to find then
so i don't randomly hit SR
steady slate
i've always gone back to threatplates. i've tried plater a couple times, but it never looks quite right. at least it doesn't give me constant lua errors like elvui, so that's a plus.
sick sentinel
i just don't like that threat plates turns marked shit into that color
so then it defeats the purpose of wanting to know if i have threat or not
steady slate
what do you mean? i'm using the out-of-the-box setup and it's green if i have threat, red if a non-tank has it, yellow if i'm about to lose threat, and that weird blue if another tank has it
modern brook
i'm trying to understand so i don't fuck up invisible skips, because it doesn't ...
you are invisible and cannot be seen
so the ads dont see u
lilac jungle
I don’t know about other nameplate addons. Plater took me about a month to get used to because it is a very fancy addon. There is another mod for Plater that will color the nameplates a special color if specific unitIDs (treants, cardboard assassin, earth ele, etc) have threat. I think that that mod comes with treants only out of the box, but it shows you how to easily add other IDs.
lilac jungle
i'm trying to understand so i don't fuck up invisible skips, because it doesn't ...
DH imprison; Monk Para + ROP; Priest mind soothe; Hunter Trap + They Run First + They FD after group runs through; Rogue; warlock gate
steady slate
that would be helpful. make it so plater at least looks like threatplates to me. i see videos of people running plater and making really cool nameplates. i'm taking baby steps right now, focusing on getting the information i need where i can see and reducing repetition in my UI
i've recently started running groups with a rogue. damn but they're useful
i mean, they're useful enough that i don't even really care if they do damage. well, that's not true. i want them to do lots of damage, but still, they're cc machines and group stealth is not something i've really had access to before.
safe thistle
DH imprison; Monk Para + ROP; Priest mind soothe; Hunter Trap + They Run First +...
yah but the hunter one i never ask to do it, pugs are so stupid it always fail when its the hunter that cc
tame jasper
okay, so, 2nd pull in mists, you can skip it with a bunch of things right
steady slate
looks like there aren't any changes for prot coming in 9.1. is that correct or did i overlook something?
mighty valley
Nope, just the legendaries for now
steady slate
well, they better hurry up. the window is closing to make us overpowered.
analog swift
prot is low key sleeper rn
mighty valley
Oh wait, I missed that Execute (non-condemn) is getting a flat 10% buff
that sucks, don't make venthyr less cool
but yeah overall I'm not looking for much, we're pretty good
steady slate
i like prot too, but it's the only tank spec i play so i don't have any comparisons
topaz dragon
I'm swapping to prot from bdk. I hope some tank tuning happens overall
lime urchin
I'm swapping to prot from bdk. I hope some tank tuning happens overall
There is a 10% overall tonk tuning coming in 9.1.
grim nymph
Why do I have whirlwind as prot? It's literally just worse revenge lol.
sturdy sable
to use until you get revenge i believe
hidden jay
hey there, i was tanking sludgyboy recently, and was wondering how to handle my shieldblock downtimes when i dont have any other def-cds ready - feels quite bad to be having 2-3 seconds with unmitigated melees from that boss
median tulip
You shouldn't really need to; he has big sections when he stomps/roars/charges that allow you to regain Shield Block charges
He's a really really predictably scripted boss
edgy belfry
does the reprisal only drop in upper reaches? and if we get coldheart next week I gotta wait for 2 weeks? what a garbage system
mighty valley
does the reprisal only drop in upper reaches? and if we get coldheart next week ...
You can reroll Twisting Corridors until you get upper reaches to get it any week I believe
edgy belfry
so all I gotta do is keep resetting twisting corridors layer 1 until I see the upper reaches debuff and then finish its 18 floors?
sweet summit
layer 3 and kill a boss which is floor 6 i think?
edgy belfry
correct, just found it:
If you run Twisting Corridors, you will randomly get 1 out of the 6 Torghast wings, so if you queue up for Layer 3+ and zone into the wing you need, all you need to complete is the first 6 floors to get the Legendary Power you want.
cheers boys
hasty crow
Any tips for tanking high level (Mythic 12 and up) Halls of Atonement?
Without fail I see people want to take different routes like wanting to jump off the ledge on the left side when Raider.io suggests a different path
or adds getting pulled so Prideful pops in the middle of 5 stack pulls with 2 or 3 still up
any advice would be appreciated
mighty valley
Been a while since I did halls but there are routes that are slightly better for tyrannical vs. fortified weeks
Overall though as a tank you should get to control the route, so figure out something in MDT that works for you and just do it
lilac bloom
im having a hard time over this weeks affixes. Grevious. how to handle it? im so screwed doing mist 14
mighty valley
If you're not with people you trust I think it's fair to avoid doing the jump-down since it's pretty easy for people to mess up and pull extra
But you can also body pull the pack below the ledge when the patrol's away and let them come to you
median tulip
Without fail I see people want to take different routes like wanting to jump off...
Don't do the ledge jump route this week, because there's not enough room to kite the Spiteful Shades around. On other weeks it's faster, though.
flint tiger
Only rough pull on mists should be like the 2nd pull and the pulls right before first boss.
median tulip
im having a hard time over this weeks affixes. Grevious. how to handle it? im so...
Everyone - and I mean Everyone should bring cheap HP food like Biscuits and Caviar. Or you can bring a Mage to every Party. Eating to clear Grievous is the way.
lilac bloom
the little adds on the right before going through 3rd adds right? or avoid those 3rd add that includes the tree
hasty crow
Thanks all
I've been putting HoA off due to this being the 3rd or 4th group that has messed up the pulls
Even in the beginning, going right, they will pull all 4 at the end instead of just 2 to spawn pride
so you have Pride and 2 more adds
pretty much guaranteed wipes right off the bat
and unfortunately I exclusively PUG
mighty valley
Try and ask for for interrupts so you can walk them back, creating space is the only way to help avoid pugs random body pulling stuff
hasty crow
yeah...I'll try to be mindful of that for sure instead of trusting people to not keep walking forward
median tulip
Even in the beginning, going right, they will pull all 4 at the end instead of j...
This is the route I take to get Pride before the 4
chilly brook
hey there, i was tanking sludgyboy recently, and was wondering how to handle my ...
If you're running reprisal you shouldn't have unmitigated melees
If you're not you should be able to plan exactly when you take them
lilac bloom
when do u use it? i use it when i see my hp going down
hasty crow
This is the route I take to get Pride before the 4
so you grab 7 on that first pull and ask for Hero to spawn the Prideful before engaging the 4 stack at the end?
those bigger groups seem hard to manage while in PUG situations
mighty valley
that first big pull is common in my experience, but i haven't pugged in a long time
median tulip
so you grab 7 on that first pull and ask for Hero to spawn the Prideful before e...
I don't really need Hero for that first pull of 7. It's Charge > Charge > Heroic Leap > Shield Wall for a few seconds > kite out while my Shaman slows them with Earthbind Totem
mighty valley
but like, if you're not pushing really high keys, you don't really need to pull big if you don't think your group can deal with it
median tulip
I will grant you, it is definitely a ton easier in a static
chilly brook
82% blocked while running AM and not running reprisal @hidden jay
mighty valley
it's one of those "might as well lust the first pull so we get more total uses"
chilly brook
You could easily have high 90 if not 100% blocked on sludge
hasty crow
and the 2 bigger Gargoyles at the bottom of the stairs before the 2nd boss. They rotate back and forth on who is dormant so you can always skip, correct?
flint tiger
the little adds on the right before going through 3rd adds right? or avoid those...
In mists, my first pull is just the jumping shade dudes. Second pull I combine the big tree and the smaller adds immediately around it. I cycle externals and SW as needed, prioritizing using stuns to lock them down as long as needed. Dps should be killing them relatively quickly with all the CDs and such.
mighty valley
yeah, that's kind of the nice thing about HoA, if you mess up you can just pull whatever til almost at 80, then go up to the 2nd boss room
median tulip
and the 2 bigger Gargoyles at the bottom of the stairs before the 2nd boss. The...
They always rotate. I dunno much about the regular skip though, I always Shroud that whole bit
hasty crow
Thanks Harrow and Zetakya. I appreciate the advice
chilly brook
Shroud or invis pots are the way
Otherwise you lose a lot of time and insert risk tbh
Plus you normally have all the % you need well before the gargoyles
median tulip
Yeah, basically you can fuck around however you want early on. Shit gets real when you reach Echelon's platform. You fight 4 times on that platform. First one of those big stoneborn, then Pride, then Echelon, and then the pull of 3 dogs and 4 houndmasters from inside
median tulip
The stuff after Echelon is 20.5% (unless you're going to kill one of the Loyal Stoneborn)
hasty crow
Who all has shroud other than Rogues?
mighty valley
Just rogues, everyone having invis pots is the replacement
hasty crow
roger that
median tulip
And then invis to him
Invis first, then Stoneborn Slasher, then pride
chilly brook
Invis first, then Stoneborn Slasher, then pride
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
median tulip
Your magic number in Halls is 77%
That's the % you need before you Shroud your way up to Echelon's platform
hasty crow
then kill the active Stoneborn on the stairs to spawn Pride?
median tulip
after that point the dungeon is perfectly linear
median tulip
then kill the active Stoneborn on the stairs to spawn Pride?
Yes
Actually, 77.5%, to be exact
hasty crow
Thanks again everyone
median tulip
NP NP
fresh ruin
i seem really squishy this week for ilevel 214 in 13 mists..
is that just the weekly affix issue?
mighty valley
What packs are causing you trouble?
fresh ruin
well, they all seem to cause me squishy..
moreso than normal
it felt like my defensives were not defending
hollow sun
Healer could be struggling with grievous
So you are not getting healed as much
Especially in lower keys where people just don't know what grievous does
outer solstice
If you feel squishy use impending victory
Oops sorry hell no
Only do that as fury
In mists if you feel squishy that's mostly due to DPS messing up kicks, especially in the beginning
vague cape
what lego is the go-to for prot M+? and then Raid?
tender phoenix
is [Heavy Repercussions] only used in M+ for +20s and above as i keep seeing some "Good" prot warriors with it on?
chilly brook
is [Heavy Repercussions] only used in M+ for +20s and above as i keep seeing som...
I believe plka did a video guide recently that explains the use for it
tender phoenix
the Part 2 vid? ok will give it a re watch
outer solstice
HR is basically a middle ground between AM and Bolster
The section about HR is just at the start of the part 2 vid
hasty crow
How do I find the preloaded Mythic + routes in MDT?
sick sentinel
leap of power 2 or path of ascension first for reservoir, or doesn't matter at all
cinder storm
Ilvl > stats @urban portal
scarlet swan
ilvl doesnt matter as much for rings and necks
thorn knoll
Idk if that holds true necessarily for rings/neck. You only get stam from ilvl
lofty widget
i'd use denathrius+death gods, especially if you can upgrade the latter
urban portal
i can upgrade death gods
lilac bloom
i tried to run away from grevious even on 8+ mythic and i'm 225 i level its still bad
i'm not sure how to handle it.. i waited 2 to 3 stacks and i ran but still .... it hits pretty bad
they made it so hard for the healers and tanks
is there stacks that i should move
i waited like 3 stacks.. or 2.. sometimes even if they hit hard..
vague cape
What lego do i wanna craft first for M+ Prot out of the 3?
west kayak
Reprisal would be the more popular suggestion I believe.
vague cape
anyone second on that?
dire hazel
yes reprisal
short kiln
There are other legendaries??
muted arch
anyone know why a macro with /cast demo shout + /cast shield block doesnt work
SB is off GCD no?
elfin nova
I'm assuming you actually wrote the whole word in the macro
muted arch
yes LOL
elfin nova
It should work, make sure they're on different lines
muted arch
they are, could it be cuz it doesnt register the rage?
muted arch
yes
elfin nova
Hit a dummy to 30 rage and then press it
muted arch
got an idea let me try pressing while i alrdy have some rage
lol
yup that works ffs
elfin nova
You definitely shouldn't use this macro as your only demo shout bind
elfin nova
With BV you want to be able to demo without blocking for damage if you're not tanking
muted arch
i usually save demo for when im tanking
elfin nova
You'll have rage if you use this on pull though because of charge
If you're using reprisal
muted arch
oh wtf why was this not working before lol
elfin nova
Possibly because of spell queuing
If you were trying to press it whilst hitting a dummy? Idk
muted arch
i just tried it and it works now, not sure what was going on earlier
basically im trying to open with charge/taunt>demo when near end taunt>SB to dump>avatar>ancient aftershock>rotation
so many fucking buttons to press and half are off GCD
so figured macroing it made the most sense
when near end of charge**
jagged pier
This is me this morning
https://giphy.com/gifs/zootopia-dmv-3og0INAY5MLmEBubyU
blazing condor
True tbh
strong forum
This is me this morning
https://giphy.com/gifs/zootopia-dmv-3og0INAY5MLmEBubyU
Also me, I was supposed to get up at 4.50 instead got up at 8.20
Mans needs his beauty sleep
brittle owl
well on the way to becoming an anime char i see
blazing condor
Skyhold anime pog
strong forum
That'd be epic
brittle owl
too bad no one will watch it because the logo looks like clash of clans
strong forum
But the fanservice would be exquisite
jagged pier
Also me, I was supposed to get up at 4.50 instead got up at 8.20
Yer i wouldnt be getting up 4:50 no chance
strong forum
I did yesterday and I have tomorrow
jagged pier
Thats a big F
strong forum
Getting the autobots cummies tomorrow
jagged pier
Autobots POG
tame jasper
Yeah wednesday 6.00 am - athletics on the riverside 🥰
jagged pier
My body wakes me up from 4:30-6 everyday no rime or reason to it it just dies and if i go back to sleep i feel even worse so just got to live with the early mornings
blazing condor
mental scarab
Healer issue
jagged pier
Play better with your mitigation
brittle owl
kill stuff faster, less grievous
jagged pier
unique shale
is anybody have good log on sire heroic or mythic to share
grand drum
Not playing also gives less grievous
unique shale
Dying faster aswell gives less grievous
pressing SB and IP are not ganna save you from grievous
so kill them fasters
daring bay
strong forum
I recommend to reroll to bdk as they have the highest floor per minute uptime!
unique shale
☝️
daring bay
ye my FPM is usually at around 56% but i think with some dedication i can hit 60% this push week
dire wyvern
Havent played prot for a while, is Kyrian still the more all round covenant? seeing alot about necrolord
inland raft
And nf is the pump 
lilac bloom
ya i did use all mitigation trinks etc still dying ..... i never had issue like this on 14 but did do 15 and its really bad.. I was at necrotic 15 end up dying heaps just before 3rd boss ... and the ads on the bridge omg never ever
unique shale
ya i did use all mitigation trinks etc still dying ..... i never had issue like ...
If you died from adds before 3rd boss its your problem that you didn't kite to resat stacks and you have to skip those adds before bridge usually or kill it with pride and orb
quiet crane
The stitchwerks are shit, no matter the level usually make sure not to go above 1 stack of tenderise you can kite it by simply heroic leaping out at 1-2 stacks before he casts it again, and makes it easier to drop
Consider using kyrian weapons on them if you struggle, orb or spear usually does the trick but if you use spear try to place as many mobs between the spear and the end target being stitchwerk as possible and it’ll slaughter all of em with a single use of the spear
fleet river
The stitchwerks are shit, no matter the level usually make sure not to go above ...
Leap with 5 second left on your debuff, works great
sick sentinel
is spires rough this week or not, i've got a spires 13
strong forum
It's one of the easier weeks for m+
sick sentinel
cool, good to hear, i've learned that this is 100% "don't take the low geared healers week" though
209 priest vs a 222 paladin in a 12 (depleted with priest) and 11 (+2 with paladin)
wasn't ever even a time i felt like i was losing hp to just nothing
strong forum
Priest in general has a hard time dealing with grievous
In grievous weeks you want healers that actually make hp move up
So, shaman, druid, mistweavers
Hpal ofc is good too, but a bad hpal won't be able to heal properly either
blazing condor
Every fotm class is worse than their rio
Take a 2k mistweaver over a 2k pala and they will 100% be a better player
safe thistle
best on grievous is totally shaman
sick sentinel
i'd like to know if this wa is functioning correctly for other PW's
i mostly need to learn my reflects, and my blocks, and i'll be stomping 15's every day
carmine prawn
Does this appear on the plater or wa individually?
modern brook
https://wago.io/SpellReflectionTracker i use this one
Most valuable reflects that hit the tank are party wide damage that generally means your team fucked up on a kick rotation
Rebellious fist comes to mind
Wrong reply, that was supposed to be at @sick sentinel
modern brook
The point is just that Sr's value is much more niche than it has been in previous expansions. Stopping a necrotic bolt is dope yeah but there are better things to focus on imo as far as improvment
modern brook
just did 13 SoA
In time?
sick sentinel
The point is just that Sr's value is much more niche than it has been in previou...
eltist in me says you can often SR spells that would do more damage than one of your abilities
or provide a debuff on an enemy, prevent one on you
rancid ember
just did 13 SoA
Nice keep improving! 15s soon
sick sentinel
i thought they opened it up wide so u can reflect basically all frost bolt spells
mellow bridge
there are def some good valuable SR's out there
like soulsplitters in mists
syncing both with a shockwave and reflecting them back is pog
sick sentinel
i'm 99% sure they were aggroed to me, but just chuckin spears at healer
sick sentinel
and if you go at them, they jump away, so WTF
mellow bridge
they attack random targets if the aggro target is not in melee with them
you want to line of sight them to a spot where they cant jump away easily
and always stay in melee of all of them
stuff like vortex, frost nova etc obv helps a lot with that
or our kyrian spear
sick sentinel
just have to hit kill them first i guess? put spear of bastion on them
i usually try to spear of bastion on them and stuns/fears
mellow bridge
just have to ~~hit~~ kill them first i guess? put spear of bastion on them
Not sure what you mean with that question?
You generally want to LoS them at the stairs
sick sentinel
sorry for confuse, i meant to say dps/kill it first
mellow bridge
oh
sick sentinel
it was at the pack with leader, golem, dog, and a leaper, 1st taxi after 1st boss
sick sentinel
and so we had pride then too, and it went to shit abit
thats why we were like 5 minutes 20
for bosses
mellow bridge
did you go left after the first boss?
sick sentinel
yes
mellow bridge
mhm
cant help you much with that
havent pulled that side since first week of SL
it's a lot slower than right side if yo ucan coordinate goliath kicks
sick sentinel
i used to do right as well with the double giants but 2 casts of that not kicked will kill a pug
can't risk it in pugs
sick sentinel
rather not have to explain things, adds time to timer
mellow bridge
you have extreme amounts of downtime in spires
sick sentinel
just pull whats on the MDT route, don't die, do the things lol
mellow bridge
and you can do it before the key starts
you know what slows you down?
shitty pride timings and having to kill squad leaders
sick sentinel
main things i explain is first pull, because i've often struggled on the very first pull
way too many keys destroyed because we fuck up first 3 pulls get to boss and die, no lust, key depleted 100%
median tulip
Spires is pretty damned linear, appart from the two pulls off to one side after second boss what changes are you making?
sick sentinel
so, after the 2nd boss?
taxi > leap to spear > solo guy > skip mid > pull stairs by hard left and charge to golem immediately interupt (always casts when u get in range) > right side line guys los at pillar > pride > 3rd boss > left side line guys > left side big pack with spear on top of it to make it easy for group > up
rancid ember
Spires is pretty damned linear, appart from the two pulls off to one side after ...
Think you meant after 1st boss?
rancid ember
Cause she is 2 bosses 
median tulip
Oh wait, I do, it's because I'm most of the way down a bottle of Red wine
sick sentinel
1st boss > world marker to denote group to stand at small pillar to right of stairs > run up and engage > los to grp > normal pulls
going left side this is
rancid ember
YEah but you actually go that path right? The standard strat is go that way kill the 1st 2 packs, then go back the right side of boss and follow that path to 2nd boss
It sets up your 40% Pride for a huge pull, 60% pride for a double pull /w Spear, and 80% pride for 2nd boss if you do it this way
median tulip
Yeah, you take the first two packs on the left and then go right
rancid ember
Yeah I figured. that's the usual strat though. Very clean very efficient too.
sick sentinel
pride is pride, it's always good if u are close to something to smak
median tulip
You don't want to go left because there's a Squad Leader on that route
rancid ember
You don't want a pride of 3rd really. Pretty bad on him. 2nd Boss much more important ESPECIALLY if you're pugging
sick sentinel
i just do a clock work motion with 2nd boss for placements on him
median tulip
Ventunax (2nd Boss) is pretty easy on Fortified Weeks, nightmare on Tyrannical
rancid ember
If the 2nd boss is lasting more then 2 orb casts, then something is wrong or it's Tyrannical yeahe
sick sentinel
then at critical moments, i'll drag him 2 hrs (on a clock) if group needs it (enrage/wiping), rather than the 1 hr or less movement,
you put those fuckers any where near center its total GG
midnight jetty
Is kyrian prot better than nightfae prot in terms of survival for mythic sire denathrius?
jagged pier
yes
jagged pier
except for kyrian can cleanse the bleed stacks
median tulip
Kyrian has an additional personal healing CD
jagged pier
so it is better for suvivability
sturdy trench
in a 10 min fight
median tulip
Which... oh what JKakey said
sturdy trench
1 pot is useless
jagged pier
3% magic damage doesnt go a miss ither
i used it complete nullify a taunt swap and a use of an external
so its pretty good
midnight jetty
Aight cheers. Is there a way to check what renown u are at with other covenants?
jagged pier
well yer spires has a lot of frontal cleaves from the mobs
not all are avoidable by a tank unless u leap etc
and some are casts
jagged pier
well at least u know what u have to do
jagged pier
but PF is easy
sick sentinel
i don't want to think about that place
inland raft
Pf is super easy even if dont use borers a lot
fleet river
Easier to shield wall than it is to sidestep a frontal from 1-2 mobs among 6-7
blazing condor
Diminuendo should always be dodged thats a long telegraphed attack from one mob. The rest are harder to dodge since theyre always during multiple mobs
modern brook
is boast the cross or the pulse?
sweet summit
the pulse is Bursting with Pride
fleet river
Boast is getting hit by someone else's X
Or if you are in my groups, it is the healer actively trying to kill me
late elm
hi guys iam playing fury and iam wondering if the crit from korayns frist strike is converted in to parry too ?
cant test im vent ^^
midnight jetty
what haste% do u want for prot in raid?
with into the fray
currently sat at 40%
jagged pier
as high as haste u can get with the highest ilvl
midnight jetty
okay
modern brook
Diminuendo should always be dodged thats a long telegraphed attack from one mob....
getting hit by 7 crosses is questionable
modern brook
hi guys iam playing fury and iam wondering if the crit from korayns frist strike...
its not
sick sentinel
modern brook
I say with the confidence of a manw ho vaguely remembers how that calculation is done
but im pretty sure it converts crit stat not crit rating
sick sentinel
26.88% haste now and 214 ilvl
modern brook
so if you get 800 crit from a trinket or something, you'll get the equivlent parry, but getting 20% crit wouldnt.
sick sentinel
isn't parry a DR thing, 3 times against same target or in 10 seconds thing
modern brook
hi guys iam playing fury and iam wondering if the crit from korayns frist strike...
also Riposte (the passive that does the conversion) specifies it only works with crit "From gear"
Maybe thats what im thinking of
either way; no First strike wouldnt give you parry
still the best option for keys
hasty crow
Between a 220 neck piece with Crit and Verse, or a 203 with Haste and Mastery, which should I use? Is haste important enough to take the downgrade?
sweet summit
Sin stained
jagged pier
at 15+ ilvl its probably an upgrade on rings and neck as more stats> less stats
but its feely craft
hasty crow
I could use Valor to get the Sin Stained up to 213 as well
quaint sage
looked through pins and faq - couldnt find anything - new to warrior and gearing for 9.1 and going to mostly be tanking (currently chilling 18s-22s) with fury for pve and pvp when i can - any idea on good Covenant
heard the new Nightfae conduits are going to be really good just trying to get a head start
quaint sage
understood! thank you
muted arch
good macros for intervene?
jagged pier
#showtooltip Charge
/cast Intervene [target=mouseover,help,exists,nodead]Intervene; Intervene
/cast Charge [target=target,harm,exists,nodead]Charge; Charge
muted arch
is there a way to cast it a specific person that isn't focused
ive been doing mouseover but half the time i mouse over some DKs pet LOL
rotund thicket
[@<name>]
rotund thicket
nope
muted arch
hmm
quaint sage
so you want it to always be that person or just when you click on them
strong forum
[targer=playername] also works
muted arch
like i dont want to click on anyone
rotund thicket
for example /cast [@rotund thicket] spellname
sinful depot
My guild is starting mythic sire prog, which legendary is best for big daddy d
muted arch
i just wanna hit intervene and gogo
quaint sage
it would be [@Playername] or [target=Playername]
rotund thicket
/cast [@mouseover, exists, help] [exists, help] Intervene
/cast [@mouseover, exists, harm] [] Charge
is mine btw
muted arch
does revenge! take any prio over rage builders
jagged pier
if your going to overcap yes
muted arch
kk
strong forum
i have a glow option of revenge when the buff is active
but i dont actively play around it
muted arch
its just sometimes on my opener, you get that extra SS proc
and so the buff wares off before u can press
wondering if i should use the SS proc or the revenge buff
strong forum
SS
muted arch
yeah okay cool.. i think its a problem unless im imagining things
so AA 1.25sec, SS 1.25 sec, TC 1.25sec then u sometimes get that SS proc so 1.25sec = 5 sec total
oh and demo shout putting it at 6.25
so yeah if u get SS proc u cant utilize that free revenge i guess
sick sentinel
i have a glow option of revenge when the buff is active
it's just if i have the SS > rev > execute, proc, try to do it in that order
strong forum
muted arch
no SS/TC or anything else up
muted arch
haha on DH i can throw glaive or whatever, but heroic throw has minimum range df
strong forum
throw glaive is rotational as dh
not just a filler
its literally part of your rotation
strong forum
if you wanna max dps
muted arch
throw glaive is most def not rotational lol
strong forum
throw glaive is rotational
muted arch
it does like no damage
sick sentinel
between charge/intercept SB, IP, tc, revenge, ss, there is pretty much always a button you can hit that won't put something needed on CD
strong forum
its better than doing nothing 🙂
sick sentinel
i like heroic throw alot, because extra threat + long range
target some caster 2 or 3 and swap back to primary
strong forum
eh it does 4x threat sure
muted arch
if im out of rage and have nothing else ive been using arcane torrent for that free 15 rage if its up
strong forum
but because of its low dmg
sick sentinel
really only mostly for pulling, boss adds maybe?
strong forum
only when kiting tbh
muted arch
ouuu how about shockwave
strong forum
or when having lost aggro on a singular mob
muted arch
couldnt u use that if u have an empty global
strong forum
shockwave is not a filler
sick sentinel
you could do it to engage combat faster
strong forum
you use shockwave when you need to, not just because you have nothing else to press
sick sentinel
once for tag to get them alerted
strong forum
cant waste dps if you cant physically get any
🤷♂️
it is a spec with downtime every now and again
thats just how it is
strong forum
use battle shout idk
sick sentinel
i stopped running bolt because im cow man and i have area stun + a fear
and bolt does poopy damage, i figure that the double time works better with the reprisal
strong forum
i will never play without stormbolt in m+
sick sentinel
i hear you
strong forum
never
sick sentinel
i dunno it was like 300 dmg for me one time
strong forum
the dmg is irrelevant
sick sentinel
and i can't devote a GCD and 40 second cd to 300 dmg
sick sentinel
always something a capable group can do when people forget something
strong forum
its always faster to stun something yourself
instead of calling for someone to stun it
saved so many lives with that
the downside of shockwave is, is you DR all mobs in the group, making future stuns less effective, and its a short stun
SB is a 4sec, 30sec CD, ST stun
that is ranged
that in itself is quite overpowered
sick sentinel
i like it, iconic ability, just not sold on i
strong forum
compared what other tanks have, its OP as shit
sick sentinel
there are many thing i would do for deathgrip
or avengers sheild, holyshield
deathgrip is so stupidly handy in a dungeon
strong forum
its good QoL
makes it easier to group up those pesky ranger mobs that refuse to move in
sick sentinel
many small caster types too
calm obsidian
double time is kind of great synergy with reprisal. I think it's a little weird to not consider that unless you're runnig with all casters all the time or extremely low io
strong forum
DT is good with it yes
but i cant think of a scenario where i personally would not run SB
outside of greeding for overall dmg
sick sentinel
problem with reprisal DT will be the meta game of figuring out optimal times to do your intervene/charges
calm obsidian
Well if your group is on top of things, even if you don't charge on exact cd it's still value
sick sentinel
that group at the end, i think it was the healer said something like "we still timed that?"
strong forum
youre likely to not need to play SB
sick sentinel
wasted 15 minutes wiping to pride after first boss 13 soa
strong forum
👀 how
sick sentinel
then we kicked it up
calm obsidian
i mean if you're struggling on 13s, sb all day probably lol
sick sentinel
strong forum
i saw the ss
sick sentinel
5 minutes first boss, 20 minutes 2nd boss
strong forum
but how do you wipe multiple times on 1 pride
sick sentinel
leader up i think
sick sentinel
and the leaper i'm still not sure how to deal with
strong forum
gotta pull extra after 1st boss before continuing on your normal route
otherwise pride will always fuck you mid pack there
sick sentinel
what about pride at final though?
sick sentinel
right, 88%i was taught, but yes
so, the route i do is dratnos no skip 1st boss left, spear the pre-2nd boss trash, kill stairs and solo pack, pride at 3rd
strong forum
pride at 3rd
sick sentinel
get 88% go up
strong forum
dont you get 80% pride for the 2nd boss
sick sentinel
nope
strong forum
sick sentinel
i never seen that route before
strong forum
pretty sure thats standard route
sick sentinel
i mean i have, when i imported it, not sure what tools i need to pull that off
strong forum
pull 1 extra pack before going left or right route
and you spawn 80% pride on the last pack before 2nd boss
then you skip literally everything after 2nd boss except 2 mini add groups
sick sentinel
don't you have to skip the stairs pack then
sick sentinel
on the ledge? hmm
strong forum
and then you mount onto your passenger mount, and the rest of the group gets onto mount
sick sentinel
i can't seem to get that to work
if someone shows me a video where i have to stand and point my cursor to do the leap skip, i can probably do it,
sick sentinel
or i can try to use a SL invis pot if everyone else can get past
strong forum
literally standard route
perfect count
should double pull the packs on the left after 1st boss tho
instead of single pull
sick sentinel
this pat can be wonky to pull
an pulls the other one some times, not entirely sure the cause, but it's a bit terrifying when it does
you can theoretically get it alone from the blue group when its towards pink after it stops, but i think one of the small birds does a micropat
and that possibly causes it to chain
muted arch
are there optimal times to use spell reflect in raid
crystal nexus
You can Spellreflect the dmg in the Hungerin Destroyer fight from Expunge (or to reflect the dmg from the obliteration rift bubble)
muted arch
what about just using it as a DR
urban portal
Not worth
crystal nexus
Coud be also useable but in the Expunge phase you normaly get 0 heal course the healers are running. For myself i found it more usefull to reflect that dmg from expunge
Btw. Are there any news about Covenant for 9.1? I heared some Rumors that NightFae will get better then Kyrian even for only tanking?
modern brook
modern brook
Broadly speaking it depends on the fight
Most fights have something that is reflect/deflectable
Generally spells have cast times as well so nullifying big bursts of damage that's preempted with your healers set ups more useful than a periodic 20% reduction to 2 or 3 ticks of a random dot
muted arch
how about like lady or something where 50% of dmg is magic
or like glpyh of destruction
safe thistle
you use it on the add debuff on inerva so you can swap tank her without any nasty debuff
i use it on his second cast so first fade and he die before he cast another one
and then i gotta taunt inerva
you can use it on sun king during his tanking phase too
i normally pop it on xymox when the homing missile forgot the name get to me it stop the bounce
or to destroy trap
plenty of utility
sweet summit
or like glpyh of destruction
ofc u use it as a dr on inerva
xymox kinda depends if you need sr to clear a trap or not, but most of the time youre fine to use it as a dr since the cooldown is so short
as bullfango said, it depends on the encounter
blazing condor
For SOA i would 100% recommend going right side instead of left cus the left side packs are just dog
All you really have on the right side is a double-goliath pack which you can bloodlust and have pride buff on if needed
Then you just got etherdivers that you can just SR on
modern brook
as bullfango said, it depends on the encounter
sweet summit
hollow sun
guys, any tips on how improve my cpm (yes pressing the keys more can definetly work)? even by using thunderclap i can't get past that 3.5k dps ( details overall ). I think it has mostly to do with my low cpm of 47 but it seems like i am kinda stuck at it, no matter how much i spam my rotation spells
sonic tangle
Haste Haste Haste haste
hollow sun
i think i have 25%
sonic tangle
More haste more cpm more clapping more slammin
mighty valley
Have you got a log? Maybe you're spending too much rage on IP so you don't always have it for revenge
misty timber
Might want to record yourself and see when you stop pressing buttons
I know I tunnel sometimes on repositioning/kiting/interrupts/mechanics/etc and miss gcds I could use
But IP is also very likely a culprit. That and not SS fast enough when it’s up
latent oriole
Am I gonna want to be going prot for 9.1?
Been away for about a month haven't followed any beta stuff
sweet summit
did you play 9.0.5?
earnest blade
leveling as prot should i worry about def cap in tbc dungeons? should i gem def in my leveling gear or just stam?
sweet summit
icy oxide
Is Necro Banner cov ability actually any good or worth going necro? for either spec also
sweet summit
its good, but the vast majority get more out of other covenants
icy oxide
Oki, was just wondering since I'm interested in doing m+ only really as mainly prot but enjoy playing fury too
icy oxide
Alright thanks
carmine prawn
Someone posted details on what kind of damage the NF leggo is doing in 9.1 yesterday, seems pretty decent
fresh ruin
is this week just hard on tanks
or am i just unlucky with healers..
or maybe im a horrible tank =p
chilly brook
is this week just hard on tanks
Tbh grievous always feels hard on tanks
Or the fight club discord
torpid shuttle
topaz dragon
Can I ask here for Macro advise? Kinda wanna put SS as the prefered cast on TC and Revenge
Cast sequence aughto do it yea?
topaz dragon
I wanna insta cast these procs sir
strong forum
I did spew that out once
You just put /cast SS before /cast revenge
And that way you can spam away on the ss button and the revenge button at the same time to increase the chance of sniping SS procs
But idk if thats a good thing to do
You'd spam the SS button between GCDs in case of a reset, instead of spellQing the other button.
In theory this should work and result in higher rpm, but idk how well it actually plays
strong forum
Cast sequence aughto do it yea?
Cast sequence would fuck up the sniping part and generally your entire rotation.
I think
wraith surge
can we all agree that DoS is ass for prot warrior or i just suck?
like that magic dmg is too much
blazing condor
First few pulls are kinda ass
Then its smooth sailing
Ardenweald especially is amazing for us
But yes its pretty ass
hollow sun
The 2nd boss bleed sucks really bad
sweet summit
hollow sun
Actually the dealer ( at least in the 18 range) doesn't seem to be to hard in prot
Muezhala is also manageable if you time your reflects good
How much damage gain is using double time Vs stormbolt?
My damage is kinda low, so maybe I can just go with stormbolt instead
strong forum
Yeah you pick it for SB uptime and a bit of dps, you won't suddenly skyrocket in dps just because you're playing DT
sick sentinel
i don't think i am ever going to enjoy PF, possibly ToP
hollow sun
The only boring dungeon is spires
strong forum
Even without abusing plagueborers its easy
hollow sun
Hands down
hollow sun
How can you enjoy that
strong forum
Big pulls = fun
blazing condor
Dos bosses is probably the best dungeon for prot warrs overall
But the bosses are still ass
At least last boss is great for us. You can cheese the blood barrier if you time shatter throw. You can reflect dealer. Manastorms kinda suck
blazing condor
Just rotate 1 cd every non-stun bleed and its fine
But im kyrian so i got the phial on speed dial
sick sentinel
elemental shaman
distant crystal
that was my desktop background for a solid year
think it was lightning in a volcano plume in like chile or something
strong forum
Every pubescent teenager used this imagine for something atleast once in their life
Or this one
blazing condor
Throne of thunder was cool and all but what the fuck were those snails????
somber sky
how does prot war look in 9.1 with increased stats?
I'd assume slightly higher block uptime?
strong forum
Same as before
somber sky
without reprisal I mean
strong forum
Well yeah I guess if you get mad haste gear? But you'd use reprisal anyway
somber sky
even in raid it's better than the wall now?
strong forum
Always has been
somber sky
oh Pog. I was worried if I had to manage 2 pieces
strong forum
Reprisal has literally been always better than wall
somber sky
well the wowhead article mentioned both wall and reprisal a while ago so I was confused
strong forum
Yes, wall is playable
And good in raid
But reprisal is just better, but slightly harder to play
somber sky
and do you use intervene on cd? or just when everything is down? :?
strong forum
The only people still playing wall are either too lazy to play reprisal, or not informed
somber sky
I'm the latter Sadge
strong forum
and do you use intervene on cd? or just when everything is down? :?
Ideally you want to use intervene on CD, charge on CD, and keep the SB CD rolling
strong forum
But in raid there is so much downtime between tank swaps, that you should have basically 100% effective block uptime
somber sky
well on huntsman, sire, and slg there is near 100% tanking uptime right?
except p3 :v
strong forum
Slg, nah
Huntsman doesn't matter, you can reach literally 95% block uptime on that boss
Cuz of the many adds, downtime between attacks from him
And he hits like a wet noodle anyway
Slg you also have a billion adds that all do nothing to charge and intervene
somber sky
so it's better for prot war to be tanking huntsman? (I guess it's probably because more physical damage mitigation vs the dogs that have magic damage?)
strong forum
Ye
somber sky
dang I've been doing it wrong 😄
somber sky
yeah I've been getting murked by it
strong forum
Cuz im 20x tankier vs that dog than a vdh
somber sky
oh that's true
I've seen heroic carries with brms that perma tank that dog without moving.
strong forum
Heroic obv
somber sky
third dog I mean
strong forum
I tanked 3rd dog to 10 stacks by accident
somber sky
but 11-12 stacks begin to truck though right?
strong forum
On mythic
rotund thicket
is there a sheet for intervene like for spellreflect? i would like to know what we can intervene like the goliath charge damage on slg
strong forum
On heroic the add will just die before anything happens
strong forum
is there a sheet for intervene like for spellreflect? i would like to know what ...
You can only intervene melee attacks
And the goliath charge counts as melee attack
somber sky
man I miss the WCM courtyard boss. We'd take it to like 60 stacks without moving into fire.
strong forum
Other than that, hardly any time that a group member gets attack by melee stuff
somber sky
thanks for the knowledge mr nom
rotund thicket
@strong forum is it possible to get Warped Desires from Invera though intervene?
strong forum
No
somber sky
it only redirects physical attacks. I think that's a magic attack.
strong forum
Not to my knowledge atleast , its a spell not a melee attack
rotund thicket
well i know if you bop the tank who gets the stack before application, you wont get it
so i thougth its just an empowered auto
sleek echo
is reprisal the highest dps leggo for prot? even including dps legendaries? i just wanna farm some parses xd
strong forum
Reprisal doesn't sim high at all
strong forum
Check top parses idk
strong forum
I don't think alot of people are using seismic on slg, but it has potential to be better there
blazing condor
Most probably
modern brook
Nothing is trolling on prog its 8 months in and you were invincible 4 months ago
chilly brook
Nothing is trolling on prog its 8 months in and you were invincible 4 months ago
Heh you say that but uhhhh look at some peoples prog logs boiii
Also its 6 months in
Not 8
modern brook
being shit at the game isnt trolling
🤷♀️
If you're wiping to tank deaths past pull 20 for any reason other than sleeping at the wheel you got other problems than running a dumb legendary tbh
chilly brook
When you got some less than stellar heals and you got a fairly healing intensive fight like SLG running seismic on prog is actually trolling
Like the intermissions can actually be somewhat scary especially the first few times
graceful cobalt
i got the trinket from spires is that good(haste proc) should i use that with Blood scale ( sun king i don´t have)
cinder nova
Yeah, Seis is absolutely a throw.
Just because it meters doesn't mean it's prog-worthy, it means it's damage.
Plus your parses don't mean fuck all if you're wiping, regardless of how.
Better to roll more defensive in a penultimate fight like that.
chilly brook
Not to mention
You pumping more is actually throwing
Since you're kinda holding damage for the portions that matter anyways
Good fight design or something
sturdy sable
Thats why i like reprisal its a bit of both
modern brook
Just because it meters doesn't mean it's prog-worthy, it means it's damage.
Dont get me wrong; Seismic is pointless on that fight and the whole raid. Maybe for getting your 0 allstar on Sunking but who cares.
But extra block uptime and some extra rage doesnt fix missed soaks or bad healers
tank optimizations matter the least in raiding - is my point. Especially Specifically at the gear point where you're out gearing even penultimate bosses
cinder nova
Since you're kinda holding damage for the portions that matter anyways
Not gonna lie, fights that make me hold CDs always fuck me up for some reason. Normally my CDs glide right over my smooth, frictionless prefrontal cortex before dripping into the "press it" bin.
I can't decide if I think I can sneak it that last Avatar and ride AM to have it up on time
Any other fight it's like
haha button make damage go 📈
torn trench
hi guyz i have some questions for y'all, what is the priority stats for m+ / raid please and what is the best legendary for protec?
safe thistle
read the pinned message
blazing condor
hi guyz i have some questions for y'all, what is the priority stats for m+ / rai...
regal lark
Question about Alliance racial ability synergy with prot (Dwarf vs Void Elf). If I choose kyrian + reprisal legendary, what are your thoughts on how the racial abilities interact with the spec. Stone form is great, but would it be redundant with phial? Also, would spatial rift be useful in creating space for charges?
regal lark
Yes, I am dwarf on my brewmaster and Hpal. I just haven't pushed high enough keys to really benefit from double phial I think. Makes sense though.
jagged pier
yes high keys benefits very will from double phail
regal lark
I was just curious about possible use of spatial rift to facilitate charges. Seems cool on paper, but I've no experience with prot or VE to know if it would even be usable.
fading cairn
I have a question about the necro covenant lego in 9.1 It just stats it extends your banner, so why is everyone saying it only applies the benefits to you?
jagged pier
because it does only apply to u
fading cairn
You dont give other people banners thou, they just gain benefit from being close to you when you have it out?
jagged pier
the ppl get the buff when u press the button
but the buff duration isnt increased on them
as the buff is only appled at one point to the closeest ppl they can walk away and keep the buff
gilded sky
So when running reprisal I can try and leap to the dps I want to get it, banner, then charge back in? (From a pugging pov)
sleek echo
We did it boys, the cheesiest rank 1 youve ever seen kekw
sleek echo
oh god yeah lmao. i wish i could do as much dam on mythic haha
daring marlin
Banner on the GCD is 🤢
rancid ember
Banner is 🤢 - I fixed it for you.
daring marlin
Nah mang I like simpin' for my DPS friends when I tank. 😉
topaz dragon
I feel like Im playing bad, like I'm more squishy than my BDK. I guess I should be more aware of where magic damage is located in dungeons yea?
sick sentinel
i am extremely envious of BDK because deathstrike, and grip
if i had either one would make my life million times easier
but, i also know they have very little in terms of actual defensive cooldowns to not die, which are long coodowns to boot
brez is nice, can do engineer in pinch, don't usually want to
rancid ember
Why are you envious? Instead of taking minimal damage with Shield Block up, you take that damage is a BDK and rely on RP & A GCD to save you from dying constantly. Can't tell you how many times where if I used 1 GCD Incorrectly I would've been dead on my BDK. Limitless times, much more penalizing then just keeping SB up.
Grip ok that's a good one, but you have much more mobility than a BDK via Intervene/Charge/Leap to make up for it.
BDK Shieldwall not nearly as strong, and is a 3 min CD. (Reduced by 30~ with conduit if you use it)
BDK Also punished alot more for mistakes such as party death or wipe. They have to struggle or used big CD on fresh pack with no RP and no Bone shields up. BDK is really momentum based in M+ IMO.
daring marlin
CRW turns DRW into a super short CD too
TBH BDK is super fun in M+
The lack of damage makes me sad tho
rancid ember
Super Strain is your only option really. CRW just gimps your damage even more. You can use it, but sacrificing quite a bit of damage. Just use Vamp Blood every pack and use the rest of your kit effectively.
CRW Will be awesome the day BDK can wear 2 Leggos tho
topaz dragon
Yea, there are strengths and weaknesses to each class :) I'm just saying, while I am used to BDK, I need to relearn where the hurt for Prott comes from. :)
Ive been enjoying the shit out of prott, feels way faster. Just sometimes wish I knew what dribbles me so much.
mellow bridge
Yeah it's mostly magic damage and bleeds that will hurt you a lot
If it's blockable, you'll be fine
If it's not, you better find a way to deal with it
Kicks are important, but so is proper usage of SR, SW etc
Being kyrian helps with the bleeds too
fleet river
Anger management and the conduit make shield wall pretty spammable
And double ignore pains, while not very rage efficient, is basically a 50% DR for a decently large hit
But that's a last resort
analog swift
@sleek echo what's cheese about that log?
sleek echo
<@!241653066028285952> what's cheese about that log?
just a super quick kill, and i didnt get selected for the charge so could carry on pumping
analog swift
oh nice
i forgot heroic tanks dont get chained
on mythic it's a huge pain to try to pre demo shout the pillar
sleek echo
wish ancient aftershock crit and i had dps trinkets haha
yeah, i dont really push to dps too hard on mythic. Raid calling + staying alive is main prio kekw
restive flax
we talking about the large men?
hasty crow
In Mythic+ should I be using Shield Wall pretty much on Cooldown? I'm around 12/13 Keys currently
I PUG all the time, and I definitely feel like some healers have a hard time keeping up whether or not the DPS is solid
quiet crane
Ideally yes but you should try to pull around it with dps CDs
Meaning that if you have shield wall and CDs and dps do you can pull larger and kill certain pulls with relative ease it’s a bit of a learning curve as to where you need to use it or what you want it for
Or if you need to hold it for something coming up
hasty crow
but more often then not, use it to help out the healer and try to have it available for big pats and bosses?
better to "over" use it than sit on it too much and then realizing it's too late?
modern brook
but more often then not, use it to help out the healer and try to have it availa...
You're the tank you set the pace
90% of your cds should be used with the pulls they're supposed to be
hasty crow
I definitely need to be more assertive when I feel like the DPS are running up but I can see the healer is struggling
Should I also be kiting well before I see my life dip once I know I have aggro to also help out heals to smooth things out?
modern brook
You really shouldn't need to be kiting
If you're out of sb and have no cd to cover the gap you kite
But that generally means a) poor cooldown usage or b) your dps are way vehind
hasty crow
sb? sorry, I left the game for a long time and came back so I don't know all the lingo 😄
Shield Block I assume?
modern brook
Yeah
one of the best things you can do is record yourself and post it here - its a lot easier to point to situations and be like this is wrong because of xyz rather than trying to paint concepts with broad strokes
hasty crow
Thank you. I'll look into that the next time I make an attempt
I have 5 of the 8 Mythics at 12 with the timer, but I've tried HoA at least 10 times without a fully successful run for one reason or another and I'm starting to get discouraged a bit
carmine oracle
Keep going, you 'll get it
I ran Pf and DOs like 15 times for keymaster. I knew what to do but the PUG didn't
hasty crow
Several were due to people pulling extra groups and the like, but I also know some of them are on me
I'm also leveling my Shaman to 60 so I can start Healing/DPSing Mythic+ to get a fresh perspective
quiet crane
Halls requires a good route to an understanding id argue it’s one of the more dangerous dungeons for warr in particular to the amount of casters and mobs you have to kite and control, a venthyr greatly alleviates the timer in that dungeon whilst without it, the timer can depending on execution and damage be a bit tight as you go upwards
blazing condor
Gotta make sure people actually interrupt and stun in Halls
Otherwise its aids aids
hollow sun
I almost find halls harder than SD, especially on fortified. The very high damage from the trash and the very short timer makes it a very stressful dungeon to time
blazing condor
Yeah its not that much time-save to be honest
Unless you have the dps coordination/healing output to pull big packs every pull
minor lion
Hey, as a multispecc fury and prot... which covenant do I take in 9.1 (or right now)? Mainly m+
sweet summit
kyrian/nf if nothing changes
minor lion
so between this two it doesnt matter...
sweet summit
well kyrian is better for prot and night fae is better for fury
so pick your poison
minor lion
okay... so if I play tank more... than kyrian. Its because of the vial, right?
inland raft
I would argue for nf if keys only if uou play consistently with a kyrian but those are rare
sweet summit
@minor lion we play kyrian to fill all covenants for dungeon buffs, and gives phial yes
inland raft
Prob just personal preference i played kyrian for ages then went nf and swapped to the itf and hr build and do more damage then did as kyrian with rav/am and feel tankier at same time and 12 second lock down, but ya both are fine but kyrian safer bet
amber herald
kyrian as prot for the dungeon buffs because kyr/nf really aren't very far apart dmg wise
wanton panther
Heyo guys. I tested all the new trinkets today in PTR and I didn't like a single one. Is blood shattered and heart of al'ar going to be used again in 9.1 ?
The new "Cheat death" trinket sucks bad because it is not a cheat death, its a soulstone trinket that revives you after you die.