i think so, it seems like its just based on score, and if missing timer is only a factor of 10s of points, you could easily
#protection
stark sage
stark sage
which imo is fine
modern brook
eh
stark sage
KSM being restricted to timed only keys is a super bummer when you have a 14 in time then do a 16 and just miss
modern brook
lime urchin
I don’t do le pvp but does that work similar?
modern brook
reminds me of this tbh
lime urchin
Lose rbg costs score?
cinder nova
Honestly, Acti-Blizz needs to take its fucking hands off this wheel and let the R.io team actually make it like they said.
I enjoy actualy enjoying M+ for a change and not feeling like it's a chore.
stark sage
Honestly, Acti-Blizz needs to take its fucking hands off this wheel and let the ...
i dont think this is the hill to die on, its not going to massively change the game
lime urchin
But how does this affect you S?
I don’t get how it would affect your pushing with your team
Or am I missing le bigger picture
willow robin
Tanked a HoA 14, was my first time
cinder nova
Linear score feels like dogwater, having to double-up on keys feels like shit, and forcing players to engage shitty systems because they can't figure out how to balance Tyr.
modern brook
Lose rbg costs score?
from what im reading it looks like you get X points for completing a Key at Y level, +- 10 based on time
cinder nova
If they're gonna force us to do Tyr, a Tyr key should give more io.
lime urchin
roirin types like 2010 memes
I don’t know what that means
cinder nova
But it wont.
modern brook
so if a +10 gives 100, and u fail it, you'd get 90; and if thats higher than the points you had in that dungeon previously, it'd be added to your total
cinder nova
But how does this affect you S?
Who does this help?
modern brook
but obviously 🔮
cinder nova
What problem does this fix aside from Tyr tracking?
stark sage
Linear score feels like dogwater, having to double-up on keys feels like shit, a...
do you have KSM now?
and by climbing to KSM, wouldnt you have had to push nearly a 15 tyr key the week before a fort week
its not a big change
cinder nova
Yes.
I don't give a fuck that this gatekeeps casuals.
I'm trying to figure out why it exists.
stark sage
because they are implementing a scoring system and want to tie the main achievement to that score's progress?
cinder nova
Why?
stark sage
so players dont have to use 3rd party tools to play the game properly
brittle owl
because it's better than doing nothing?
cinder nova
You don't.
modern brook
Because systems should do things
stark sage
yeah but why have 2 metrics in game
just combine them
making it so tyr and fort are scored separately is weird, but its not going to nuke the game
cinder nova
The fact that they are marking them separately tells us that they know it's flawed and are just making this roundabout bullshit to force engagement with Tyr.
sweet summit
<@!165864577760755712> Roirin types french
so i dont? 
stark sage
untimed keys still add a significant amount of score
just saying this isnt going to change how you play the game really
modern brook
based on the early interpretation of some guys interpretation of another guys work
stark sage
it'll make getting KSM take a bit more time thats about it
modern brook
i feel like that needs to be stressed as well
cinder nova
It will. It means you have to do Tyr and Fort to get the requisite score.
modern brook
we're making a lot of assumptions based on a small paragraph
stark sage
and most people already run both types
cinder nova
Most people avoid Tyr tbh
modern brook
So the system rewards ppl that do push during tyr
stark sage
yeah i dont think its wrong to give points for playing on tyr weeks
modern brook
honeslty kinda pog
probably swung the pendulum too far tbh
but high io being tied to "were you around when push week was up" is kinda lame
cinder nova
They obviously knew some affixes were flawed in balance between BFA and SL
So they rebalanced a couple of them
God forbid they do so with Tyr
stark sage
but high io being tied to "were you around when push week was up" is kinda lame
yeah if this system helps mitigate that, i'll be cool with its other flaws
cinder nova
Also, the KSM reward 👎
modern brook
yeah if this system helps mitigate that, i'll be cool with its other flaws
i still say the solution is just remove tyr/fort
but thats probably a 10.0 wishlist
stark sage
they wont
cinder nova
Or just make Tyr/Fort more balanced between one another.
stark sage
at least yeah maybe for 10.0
modern brook
i do not expect them to make sweeping affix changes mid expansion tbh
modern brook
maybe affix tweeks between seasons
cinder nova
What is even the value in that
modern brook
Linear scoring is just a ratio thing tbh
cinder nova
It is, but it feels garbo
stark sage
linear is easier for casual brains to understand
modern brook
i mean again its just a ratio thing
stark sage
also it being linear will help random super push weeks from being too strong for scoring
modern brook
yeah, didnt even think of that bh
cinder nova
How do you figure?
If it's functionally identical, a super push week is still gonna be a boon
Even if it is linear
stark sage
yeah but that boon is mitigated by it being a linear gain and not an exponential one
?
instead of gaining 500 points you'd gain like 50
cinder nova
Which feels worse.
cinder nova
I understand that mathematically it's irrelevant, but discarding the concept of gamefeel is stupid and it's actually a really bit point of design.
And linear progression for exponential work feels dogshit
stark sage
it just mitigates the difference between easy weeks and hard weeks
so you dont feel punished for missing an easy week
cinder nova
???
stark sage
sure you lose a bit of the reward for pushing that easy week, but i think that sacrifice is worth
cinder nova
You... don't lose anything.
stark sage
450 figurative points
cinder nova
Let me.. okay - look.
If pushing an easy week will effectively place you in the same spot on both metrics, but one is exponential and one is linear
You're still in the same spot
But one feels worse
like ???
stark sage
yeah but think of the people who didnt push that easy week
instead of being 450 points behind, they're 50 behind
which makes it easier to maintain their score
cinder nova
Exponential gain means that making up that 450 points is just as easy.
modern brook
I think
cinder nova
Being 50 behind and 450 behind is objectively the same between these two metrics in this scenario
modern brook
It punishes
cinder nova
The only difference is the perception of how far behind
modern brook
yeah you still get the same ratio of score for pushing high
cinder nova
This makes doing high keys feel like you're getting a pittance
stark sage
except you dont have high ranked unskilled players who only got a high score because they hunted easy weeks
modern brook
but pushing 2-3 level lower every weekw ould still give you a higher overall
stark sage
now people who play consistently on any given week will have a score just as good or better than someone who only chases easy weeks
versus kinda the opposite
modern brook
That sentence is what i was trying to type
stark sage
yea
cinder nova
I'm still not seeing how this quantifiably makes any difference. If the metrics are identical but they're just exponential versus linear and you can draw a line between both points on where they sync up
The only difference is that one is rewarding less points for exponentially harder content
modern brook
cinder nova
Like, you can have an entirely well-balanced game and it can feel like shit. Conversely you can have a game that feels great, but is balanced poorly. How a game feels in its rewards is just as important as the balance of those rewards and I'm adamant that we're losing something valuable in a linear system
modern brook
the difference is that the pink zone feels less bad
and the green zone feels more good
but like if i can time 20s consistently any affix right
stark sage
well think about it, you have 2 hypothetical teams
team A only pushes on super easy weeks - with the current system they get a mega free week and push to a high score
team B just pushes random keys whenever they can - with the current system they will have a generally good score but might not hit those super free weeks
current system they more or less tie but team A has much less work put in
new system, Team A has an average or lowish score since they dont bother on hard weeks
team B has a very high score because they are always running whenever they can
so the work put in correlates to the score you get out
modern brook
nvm kel typed it :/
S.'s point is that if team A just does the easy week for tyr and fort
cinder nova
Except you can just snipe the easiest affix bundles on Tyr and Fort weeks.
modern brook
they'd be in functionally the same spot
cinder nova
Like ???
modern brook
but that functional same spot
stark sage
the point is that the easiest Tyr weeks are still harder than the average fort week
modern brook
is not exponentially higher than someone whos able to do them consistently
hence the pink zone
cinder nova
Okay, I think I can see where you're putting your flag.
distant crystal
nerds
cinder nova
You can have teams that are sniping easiest affix week between both fort/tyr and come out ahead of groups consistently pushing with indifference to affixes
This change mitigates that somewhat
stark sage
well yeah, and if that's all it accomplishes then its going to be fine
modern brook
honestly the deeper i dig into this system the more i like it :/
distant crystal
be interesting to see how the first "tyr push week" of s2 pans out
stark sage
honestly the deeper i dig into this system the more i like it :/
you'll find that to be the case with many of blizz's theoretical system design
looks weird at first glance, but pretty good on paper, doesnt solve underlying issues
in practice its not much different from the old system and still has underlying problems so its percieved as a waste of time
cinder nova
Bruh
modern brook
Honestly; I know enough about game design to know i know nothing about game design
cinder nova
Truth
modern brook
so anytime something comes out that i dont totally understand
i just assume its some secret tool we actually want
distant crystal
i forget where i saw the idea but i loved it, they should have like 1 past xpac dungeon in the M+ rotation each week. would be an absolute mess for the purposes of scorekeeping
but i just wanna do freehold keys again 😢
modern brook
i didnt like freehold :^(
distant crystal
reported
modern brook
:^(
stark sage
they should add timewalking M+, but make it have good rewards
so if the old systems were better then current you could look forward to it
but if they were bad then you could at least appreciate the new system a bit more
cinder nova
Please no
None of those dungeons pre-legion were made with M+ in mind
And lots of dungeons in BFA felt like M+ was an afterthought
distant crystal
M+ BRD when
cinder nova
Honestly if they do timewalking M+ they can't grant score with it.
blazing condor
halls of reflection m+ when Pog
cinder nova
They'd have to give banger cosmetics or something else to encourage doing it
Like M+ big brother Challenge Dungeons
Albeit, a geriatric big brother.
fierce field
Either way, doubling down on Tyrannical and Fortified is the worst case scenario here 🙂
cinder nova
Agreed.
bright peak
hey guys iam new here just a short question is in 9.1 kyrian or necro the way to go as tank?
sweet summit
kyrian>=night fae>necro>venthyr
grand drum
Necro is simp covenant
cinder nova
Did they rebalance Kyrian or is it still just because it's a good balance of offense/defense for us as opposed to NF which is the pumper cov
sweet summit
its just good overall, gives phial and kyrian dungeon buffs
fierce field
One of the few class specs that isn't punished for going kyrian, and can cover the dungeon utilities there
distant crystal
necro is a meme don't @ me
fierce field
and by that I mean 'punished'
sweet summit
@distant crystal
distant crystal
strong forum
^
bright peak
okay thanks guys
cinder nova
its just good overall, gives phial and kyrian dungeon buffs
So NF is still the bigpp pumper cov?
inland raft
modern brook
Kyrean leggo makes spear a portal that takes you back to legion
sweet summit
modern brook
jagged pier
fresh belfry
gotta love two identical trinkets but one just has straight up double budget
fierce field
get the torches and pitchforks!
sweet summit
the fuk is piercing quill
blazing condor
SD mob i think
rancid ember
real question is how is your shadowcore damage almost same as FB?
jagged pier
double because 2 weps
urban portal
rancid ember
I main VDH and my FB is usually much higher than Shadowcore O.o
mellow patio
Drastically depends on your leggo
fresh belfry
piercing quill is a trinket from the new raid with basically the same tooltip as phial
ionic fern
you go necro if you `want` to go necro
Roughly 40% up time on banner + STR buff with the Glory legendary tho. 
topaz dragon
Will I have to blast through the Kyrian Questline and swap from NF for raid?
signal plover
No
mighty cairn
any more speculation on how prot is looking for 9.1 raid tanking?
jagged pier
any more speculation on how prot is looking for 9.1 raid tanking?
Like it is no. Great
valid glacier
Dh tanks and warrior with dk tanks will all be really good for raid
I’m surprised how many Druid tanks I’m seeing lately. I didn’t know they are being played so much
fringe marten
Bullfango..an angelic spear that takes me back to a time when we orbital dropped onto the planet, before the 50% damage nerf to tanks in world pvp? (first half of legion) I'm 100% invested.
topaz dragon
I would play bear, but dont have hulk bear form since I didnt play legion.
fringe marten
Who remembers being gods in bareback brawl? 😦 #whitebuffalo
(and that ...wanna be venthyr lookin' world pvp arena? Which one was that?)
fresh belfry
any more speculation on how prot is looking for 9.1 raid tanking?
got completely annihilated by jaina on raid testing because magic damage
jaina being sylvanas ofc
analog swift
sylvanas looks like it will rek most tanks
fresh belfry
bdk might be really tanky on her but might have too little mobility actually
valid glacier
Sylvannas boss room looks so basic. I hope there is some secret stuff and the room gets cooler
fresh belfry
cant hit the boss enough
analog swift
yeah i dont think bdk can heal on sylvanas
fresh belfry
Sylvannas boss room looks so basic. I hope there is some secret stuff and the ro...
have you seen p2?
fringe marten
Sylvanas mythic P1: She summons the gargoyle from the mythic dance council fight...with 5 stacks of Sintouched blade already. #comePrepared
stark sage
not like it will matter, WF swap tanks based on the boss constantly
fringe marten
I know which guild will be using a prot warrior...and for sure 1 REAL MAN.. #thisguy
valid glacier
Not true. They keep a similar tank because of gear
stark sage
except when they gear up through reclears/m+/pvp/boe etc
fringe marten
I just don't see prot warrior ever not being a great raid tank. Maybe there's some magic intensive fights that might hurt more than others..but honestly any fight that has very nasty magic damage is gonna' be bad for most tanks.
stark sage
tanks are generally pretty well balanced defensively
the imbalances come in when you need special utility or damage
fresh belfry
not saying warrior was bad on denathrius, but warrior being a good tank wasnt the reason it's been picked
fringe marten
Only monks would really look better than most other tanks in that situation; blood dk's thrive a bit but still struggle with any physical portion of the fight (more than warrior) and there will never 'not' be a major physical component to a raid fight.
fresh belfry
the imbalances come in when you need special utility or damage or when your entire (brewmaster) community insists that equipping a defensive legendary is absolutely no option
valid glacier
Ya but monks do not bring the same raid CD as us
fringe marten
naw..buff+mobility+rally.
stark sage
monks bring phys damage taken debuff
fringe marten
Rally, including the conduit for it...is a monster raid CD.
stark sage
sometimes WW/MW are not in the cards
valid glacier
Rally is just so much better
stark sage
well yes, raids will bring war
because rally and shout
but sometimes that goes to dps war
just depends on how WF comp fits it in
fringe marten
Next tier rally should get up to the 30% mark with the conduit attatched to it.
valid glacier
32% increase on rally, makes everyone’s HP 26%more is crazy high
fringe marten
with the 226 conduit it's what..26% right now?
fresh belfry
yeah but dps warriors have that too
fringe marten
right..you know what's better than rally?
fresh belfry
so thats not an argument for prot its only one more argument for warrior in general
valid glacier
In 9.1 we will increase the HP by 32% at max conduit
fringe marten
TWO rally
valid glacier
Which means that we will increase everyone’s HP by around 16-20k for 15 seconds
stark sage
there's an opportunity cost to bringing extra warriors
if the raid is too punishing for melee heavy comps for instance
fringe marten
Rally is so strong because it doesn't just boost max HP; it applies that HP instantly so it's always a buffer chunk of HP..hence why it can literally save people's lives.
valid glacier
By the end of the expansion we will increase people’s HP by almost 40% with rally
That’s crazy good
fringe marten
ehhh..I don't think so
but maybe? depends on when the ilevel caps or how many tiers we get.
valid glacier
Let’s say we got to 32% in 9.1
stark sage
its very strong, just look at AMZ
the dev's nuked that spell and it was only slightly better than rally
valid glacier
And then 38%in 9.2
fresh belfry
and there will never 'not' be a major physical component to a raid fight.
hehe
huhu
look at that major physical damage
valid glacier
That’s magic
fresh belfry
(irony)
sweet summit
lol
valid glacier
Lol
fringe marten
There's still a big physical chunk but yes; that's majority magic damage.
valid glacier
We fucked boys wrap it up
fresh belfry
ofc not
sweet summit
epic
fringe marten
And ..you forget the ability to heal ourselves a % of our hp on top of applying a solid damage absorb ward (ignore pain) is not terrible magic defense.
valid glacier
You better hope that venthyr legen will give us last stand for half the fight lol
sweet summit
yeah cos last stand is good
stark sage
kek
fresh belfry
to be fair her spell queueing was so fucked up the dot stacked up really really badly
fringe marten
And although I seriously doubt it will be better than indomitable. The choice to use the talent to make vic rush a huge on demand heal every..? 30 sec? is always in our pocket too
and or uhh? the thing to 'up to' double ignore pain based on missing health. But that's always sucked, I don't think that sylvanas fight would merit using it.
It will never have higher HPS than indom but 30% of your HP on demand every 30 sec is pretty stout.
amber herald
AMZ is based off the dk's health now so rallyings stonks going up
fringe marten
JD that sounds unintended.
Yeah AMZ is getting a nerf in 9.1 isn't it? or did that already hit?
amber herald
in 9.1
but on a bdk with rally it can still absorb a decent chunk of damage
on a dps dk without it's like 20k shared between 8 people lmao
fringe marten
Uhh...YIKES.
amber herald
I'm memeing but it's bad
fringe marten
They took one of the most used raid cd's right now and just gutted it?
stark sage
ye
amber herald
they'll probably buff it a bit (I would think)
yeah it's gutted right now on ptr
1min extra cd, and absorbs way way less
fringe marten
hmmm..sounds like they're giving artificial value to a new or existing conduit.
stark sage
the conduit just extends duration
so basically useless now
since it will never last full duration
fringe marten
I wonder if they intend on changing the conduit; to give it value.
That is 100% crap they've done in the past.
stark sage
yeah i expect them to change it
topaz dragon
Question for the boys.
Will I ever not use devestator?
I kinda low key really want to remove it from my bar, but been keeping it incase
blazing condor
Ravager replaced my devastate
sweet summit
not a bad idea tbh
rancid ember
I drop Devastator on explosive weeks, but that's it. You don't need to, but it feels a bit better
fringe marten
Oodyn remember you can use heroic throw to dumpster the bombs; if it's right next to you..you'll run into the minimum range issue then I just revenge or shield slam it or something.
Heroic throw and charge having minimum ranges is damned stupid.
undone verge
is it true theyre scaling the difficulty of m+ by 3 levels in 9.1?
amber herald
where'd you hear that? 
undone verge
izen hart's video about the new 9.1 changes
wanton hedge
what is better to take with Abominable Anima Spherule Sword or Axe from Vendor?
undone verge
screen shot?
wanton hedge
sweet summit
theyre both 220, they both have the same secondary stats
it doesnt matter
pick whatever for transmog
wanton hedge
the weapon dmg is different
sweet summit
but the ilvl is the same
undone verge
looks like the axe does like 2 more dps
sweet summit
so its the same
undone verge
so idk tiny difference
sweet summit
its an estimate of how the k value and m+ "aura" changes end up
so a 15 "feels like" and 18 with the exact same gear
but you also get better gear throughout the patch
undone verge
gotcha
fringe marten
Weapon DPS is normalized; there is a variance in damage 'range'
sweet summit
which is irrelevant
fringe marten
axes tend to have lower low end, higher high end..hammers/swords tend to have tighter ranges.
It is mostly irrelevant; which is sad...why have different weapons ya' know? =\
stark sage
also abilities have 5% variance hard coded in iirc
fringe marten
Spells do I know; do combat arts?
(in EQ2 combat arts were melee's abilities vs 'spells' for casters)
fringe marten
ok; I remember at start of shadowlands it said all spells would have inherent 5% variance.
median tulip
It is mostly irrelevant; which is sad...why have different weapons ya' know? =\
When weapon damage affected melee abilites the end result was there were about 3 weapons that were actually used, and everything else was considered trash
uneven river
is there a cut of with prot where we have to much haste and should push more vers ?
median tulip
is there a cut of with prot where we have to much haste and should push more ver...
Can you block 100% of melee hits? If yes, you have enough Haste
stark sage
not realistically, unless you're getting deep into stat DRs, or pushing very high keys where magic damage is wrecking you (and your dps are interrupting properly still)
uneven river
lol aigtht cheers
stark sage
ilvl > haste > verse > mastery/crit
median tulip
For the vast majority of cases, the discussion stops at ilvl
median tulip
Good luck with that xD
muted arch
hey guys, I'm new to prot warrior in shadowlands. Been playing prot pala/veng DH up until now. Neither of those classes really have to choose between mitigation/attack. Mit is either built into attack or doesn't cost anything
do you guys find it strange getting used to choosing to spend rage on either attack or mit?
median tulip
Not really
The decision is mostly a phase-of-fight thing
Start of the fight you prioritise defence. As a few mobs die you can throw in some extra offense to kill stuff faster.
add onto that knowing your rage budget and whether you have Ravager and Spear available soon for extra Rage generation
muted arch
fair enough! just takes some getting used to i guess
median tulip
Pretty much
another thing to consider is what you'll be doing next. I dump a lot more rage in DOS because there's big sections where you're going to mount and ride, during which your rage drains anyway
same at the first shard in Halls; might as well dump rage 'cos it's all gonna drain away anyuhow
That's just a "know your route" thing
muted arch
more so interested in raiding on this toon
unless veng somehow gets shit on for keys next patch
sick sentinel
i was using AM before, but i decided to switch back to bolster this week
take way too much dmg without it or something
young oasis
Guys, any advice on cooldown management for Sire Denathrius Mythic P3?
sick sentinel
whats the name of the hunter spell incase i pick one up and need to remind them
enrage soothe
rough needle
sick sentinel
okay, i knew it for rogue, just not for hunter off top of head
distant crystal
damn, called in 1-2 hours late for raid tonight
ended up finishing early so I could make it on time, no raid
🤡
sweet summit
get owned lmao
ebon sun
Returning to tanking in 9.1 having a little bit of trouble deciding what to main anyone able to share how prot is feeling after the recent raid test or a vod etc that I can refer to
sick sentinel
2 yogi
undone verge
who is the real yogi
ebon sun
Yogi = BIS
sick sentinel
ayyy
eager star
if you happen to have shield block and ignore pain up at the same time, is there any way to show the mitigation from both? i think my log only shows the absorb
distant crystal
should be completely separate
blocks are in dmg taken/mitigation IP should be under heals?
damn i just randomly picked the log of someone who's online in this discord rn to check that
shoutout @tardy galleon
topaz dragon
Do you guys have audio queues for abilities? Like Block dropping, being rage capped?
sick sentinel
no, but i picked up a dungeons mechanics WA like that
says "avoid" "spread" "debuff" when nessecary in AI voice
ebon sun
I'm trying to train myself out of needing the audio and visual glow queues for things like SB as I feel I relied to heavily on them
sick sentinel
i just use premade ones cuz i'll never do the full SB rotation thing with bolster, reprisal and SB timing
you do it right and you can literal block like 90% of attacks
https://youtu.be/UTGK8Q_-xLw?t=212 watch till just after 4 minute mark, that's us explaining shield block and versa stacking
cinder nova
So, tell me how stupid this sounds.
Mythic Plaguefall, right?
What if instead of skipping the fungal forest at start we do the normal stuff - pulling packs and whatnot and then went past Globgrog, grabbed the plagueborers in the Virulent Mire and pop them on him?
🤔 I did it solo in a H and it did ~200K
sick sentinel
sounds like mdi shenanigans to me
cinder nova
Like tell me if this looks stupid as paste
Oh wait hold up
Nevermind it holds up
I just wanted to make sure the plagueborers used to pop boss aren't what pushes it to pride 1
You do the forest as normal, grab the right belcher and then skirt around the slimeclaws+barrel
Cop the borers and leg it over to the boss room
Kill second belcher
Pride
Then pop borers on Globgrog
Or you can pop them on pride
Either works
Grab the vulture and roll it into the second borer pack
then skip left, spinebreaker and slimeclaws
grab the second slimeclaws and kite them to the tentacles so you can borer them
Honestly this is just abusing borers as much as I can
Not sure if this is stupid or not
You would need to probably CC the binder and pestilence slime so they don't fuck % or patrol into your pull tho
sick sentinel
do you always lust on DOS first pull fort?
the route i have doesn't say to, but i had another route where we lusted the first pack, cleared the ring, then did fae, twins, hakkar and that route seemed to work just fine
warped moth
does the Mastery value on Conqueror's Banner go up with ilvl? or is it just gonna stay a flat 400 Mastery
undone verge
do you always lust on DOS first pull fort?
I usually do, honestly it depends on if your gonna need lust within 10 minutes of starting the dungeon, or if theres any part you can get away with lusting on.
cause you wanna use lust as much as possible, but you also want it for specific parts of the dungeon, so if you can get away with a lust, definitely do so
cinder nova
Does Bladestorm do more DPS than if we canceled it using Signet? 🤔
Pretty sure the answer is a resounding: no
But wanted to check
molten stream
hi everyone, so I just ran a 15 NW and got the pridefuls all wrong and at the end of the run we were at 99%. Had to warp back down and kill 2 little goblins at the start of the instance. I ran the no skip route from the raider.io weekly routes from dratnos. Did something change? I went over it and I really don't think I missed any pulls.
https://wago.io/oNtAF1brc
molten stream
I'm nearly positive, but maybe I missed them. I don't think so though
is it possible to only pull 2?
inland raft
Yes not reliably but ive had it happen on that pack if i heroic throw/taunt tag them
molten stream
that must've been it, thanks. Super salty rant inc, but I hate prideful. You mess up one little thing and everything goes sideways. then dps are shitty in chat about your bad route. Really makes this whole thing unfun.
limpid pawn
hey guys
for the new patch coming up, is there going to be something that allows our alts to entirely skip the main covenant campaign?
tropic linden
What's a good CPM for Revenge?
warm remnant
that must've been it, thanks. Super salty rant inc, but I hate prideful. You mes...
Prideful is just boring
undone verge
that must've been it, thanks. Super salty rant inc, but I hate prideful. You mes...
I really like the idea of pride, and how it forces you to alter your routes, but yeah if you pull slightly over or under all of a sudden its like what do we do
pride is gonna spawn either to early, too late or in the middle of a random pack
sick sentinel
I want to record logs for review, it might be a FAQ but could someone link me the addon?
jagged pier
@sweet summit ☝️
sick sentinel
I couldn't find it
jagged pier
Erga got a big copy pasta about logging
But its not an addon
U have to go to the warcraftlogs webaite
Website* and get the uploader from there
strong forum
How do i log ?
So, if you have been here for a while, you may have noticed that whenever somebody ask for advice we ask them for a log, and if you’re new you might have no idea what that means or how to get one so :
:small_orange_diamond: First, download Loggerhead (https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/loggerhead) or ERT (https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/exorsus-raid-tools)
Once you have one of these any time you enter a zone where you might want a log (ie dungeon/raid/torghast) these addons will automatically start logging (in the case of ERT you have to activate automated logging in the options).
Alternatively if you don’t want to install an addon for it, whenever you are going to do an activity you want to log type /combatlog in chat to start logging said activity.
Remember to activate advanced logging in the options (System -> Network -> Advanced Combat Logging)
All these options will store your logs in your wow file inside the retail folder and the log file.
:small_orange_diamond: Second, go here (https://www.warcraftlogs.com/client/download) download the client. Select the live section of the client, select the upload a log button and select the fight you’re interested in putting up as a log and boom you’re done.
:small_orange_diamond: Third, once you’ve done all this, your log is uploaded you can put it up here and we can look at it together to see if you’re doing something wrong.
If you wish look at your own log Jakey made a nice little video explaining what we look at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1tRp8lULT8
jagged pier
It might also be a part of exorsus raid tools but not sure
strong forum
Found the copy pasta
jagged pier
Theres copy pasta
sick sentinel
Thanks!
gaunt dawn
small_orange_diamond
strong forum
Small_yellow_name
gaunt dawn
LITTLE BOOTS disco...
jagged pier
Little boots dicso house set is fire tbh
gaunt dawn
in the lab LA
jagged pier
Yah
gaunt dawn
i'm jamming to it now
jagged pier
Alison wonderland'set set in there isnt too shabby ither
jagged pier
strong forum
Lynch them
sick sentinel
just found out my premade cheated on me and got 2k io when i was asleep
a true warrior never rants
sick sentinel
we are warriors, we are bold
blazing condor
mald*
blazing condor
jagged pier
a true warrior never rants
Its literally all we do
sick sentinel
Hmm, maybe
strong forum
We grunt
sick sentinel
we don't pussy talk, we get angry and smash
for example I tanked a +9 de other side today and I wiped in a pull
I got angry and instead of being an asshole and a toxic mtf, I was a nice mtf and took a deep breath and said in chat that it was my bad
This time I control though
sick sentinel
motherfker
blazing condor
no reason to flame others if you're the reason it got fucked
just hit them with the "mb"
sick sentinel
sick sentinel
Trueeee
blazing condor
you mean click your mouse
sick sentinel
I just get angry of myself that I cannot tank a proper +10 without getting chunked in pulls
I am 202 with leggo and nf but doing +10s seems very difficult to me
blazing condor
also depends on your healers and dps
should be fine with that gear but a lot comes with experience too
blazing condor
i used to stream for a few of my guildies when doing keys but i played atrociously bad when i did
jagged pier
The key is to always play bad so theres no diffference
blazing condor
misty charm
The key is to always play bad so theres no diffference
you know what the real key is..
sick sentinel
you know what the real key is..
Please, give us honor and enlighten us
misty charm
REVENJ
sick sentinel
Truuuuuee
jagged pier
True actually
misty charm
brittle owl
keep calm and
jagged pier
Ive heard thats what mercats do
brittle owl
we should take notes from mercats
jagged pier
Thats the truth
strong forum
Assert on them to pee dominance
jagged pier
brittle owl
don't listen to the cool fart cloud
dominance clogs your toilet
don't ask how i know
jagged pier
sick sentinel
What does that mean now mon?
blazing condor
@sick sentinel Looking at your damage taken you should have higher block uptime - especially when running reprisal + Hevay Repercussions. With HR you should always shield slam on cooldown and charge/intervene to keep that SB uptime 100%
also you take a bit of damage from the dark seeker as well which is the Praetor's ability it throws on you when you're not in melee with it.
So try and always stand in melee with those : D
sick sentinel
Second time tanking this dungeon
blazing condor
yep! that's something you'll learn with more experience
sick sentinel
So you think that with a bit of practice I can make the SB uptime 100%?
blazing condor
since HR prolongs the SB duration you can pretty much always have SB up during combat
you should charge/intervene when possible because of the reprisal legendary
blocking is our strong-point so maximising our SB uptime is key
means you can face-tank more = more damage = faster keys as well
blazing condor
Other than that it looks pretty good
but i'm no log-expert so maybe someone else have more things to say
just try and focus on your SB uptime a bit more - its good that you're intervening
sick sentinel
Other than that it looks pretty good <:peepoHappy:673436349805625364>
Oh really! thanks 😄
blazing condor
and as you said, 2nd time doing the dg
sick sentinel
just try and focus on your SB uptime a bit more - its good that you're interveni...
Gotcha
blazing condor
the more you play the more comfy you'll be
sick sentinel
died to the invis cats, was unexpected other than that I died to some simple mistakes I assume
blazing condor
you can have dps help you get those out for you so they dont stun you
with flare or aoe damage
strong forum
Should maybe work on pressing more buttons and use less ignore pain
IP as your 2nd highest cast done is a bit much
Generally work on pressing SS and TC more often
Aswell as AA, only 15 casts of a 1.2min CD in a 36min dungeon is defo on the low end
You have decent haste so you could basically double your casts done
That should be your main focus next to obv working on SB uptime
You're generally underusing SB, you can usually squeeze out 4-5 casts per minute on SB, yet you only have 2 per minute. That needs work, prolly stems from using ignore pain too much
sick sentinel
Yeah I kinda knew I used too much ignore pain, Using more SB I think requires more practice, I used most of my rage on IP
sick sentinel
So not using enough SB is the issue that I get chunked I suppose
strong forum
Absolutely
sick sentinel
Thank you very much, it was very helpful
strong forum
Also interrupts/cc and stuff, that comes with experience
Not standing in bad, or dodging bad, all plays part into getting tankier, even if it's pretty basic
sick sentinel
Yeah I always face the mobs, I'm very concern of that one : D
As my first +10 it really gave me more confident
Maybe with a decent WA I'd get to use more spells
I don't have WA atm
You guys got any good minimalist one?
blazing condor
like a full UI?
jagged pier
I just yse tmw but that sort of stuff is all prefernce and i recommend learn to make stuff yourself so if u need somthing u can make how u like it
blazing condor
another tmw fan 
sick sentinel
like a full UI?
nah my UI is fine just need a WA
jagged pier
Nah im just too boomer to change
sick sentinel
I just yse tmw but that sort of stuff is all prefernce and i recommend learn to ...
Too lazy fam
jagged pier
Like WAs will do what my tmws do but i know how to use tmw, like my guild jokes my ui is from wrath, which is a point its barely changed since then
sick sentinel
Show me your UI?
jagged pier
Im at work
jagged pier
But u can go look at my vids to see it
sick sentinel
oki I figure
sick sentinel
another tmw fan <:peepoBlush:818323879315505233>
Where can I find this, I searched TMW in wago.io nothing appeared
jagged pier
Tell me when
sick sentinel
https://wago.io/Zt_bTl_7s
You don't track rally?
sick sentinel
So can I have both TMW and This?
sick sentinel
Ok
blazing condor
Tmw is an addon
A bit clunky to understand but once you do its very easy to set stuff up
brittle owl
tmw is the boomer version of WA
sick sentinel
https://wago.io/Zt_bTl_7s
This is pretty good, only things I'd add:
- rally cry
- SB uptime
-AA
strong forum
SB uptime is included aswell as rallycry tho, in the other thing I linked
AA, ye isn't in
sick sentinel
SB uptime is included aswell as rallycry tho, in the other thing I linked
Doesn't work for me for somereason
strong forum
It's in the buffs/procs WA
sick sentinel
SB uptime is included aswell as rallycry tho, in the other thing I linked
the second eone?
strong forum
Yes
sick sentinel
Oh my bad
brittle owl
No that's Power auras
we don't talk about those
sick sentinel
@strong forum By the way what does that Booming voice do?
Isn't a passive without a proc
jagged pier
It just changes what your demo shout does
Instead if just reducing damage it makes it give rage and increase the damage u deal to target effected by it
sick sentinel
Yeah yeah I know I'm not that dumb to read
sick sentinel
But what does it do in the WA
sick sentinel
Instead if just reducing damage it makes it give rage and increase the damage u ...
Thank you though : D
strong forum
That space is for that entire talent row
Since dragon roar was supposed to be usable
But then they changed it
And I can't fill it with anything else, or wanna rework it so it's just a placeholder
sick sentinel
well I just change it with Rally then
I really like your WA anyhow
Well made
💯
strong forum
Thanks
Thunderclap glows when avatar is active for that extra shiny effect in case you play UF (which you shouldn't) but it's a relic from bfa
Very proud of the tiny glow things I added
Is a little prio helper for you aswell since SS always glows when ready, same as Demo and Avatar, so you really know that they're important to use on CD
sick sentinel
Yeah those glows is what I really like about it
i track most of my CD's by watching the action bar, it's not too difficult
sick sentinel
i track most of my CD's by watching the action bar, it's not too difficult
Welp I was thinking the same way until I noticed I press less buttons than I should
used to, but yeah dunno about that atm. possinly in future
strong forum
Helps you see shit if you don't have to stare at the bottom of your screen
sick sentinel
faster for me to click something than to shift f1
jagged pier
Problem with looking at bars is they atent close to you char so u dont see whats going on
Like intupts ground effects
Cleaves
Fontals u can move out of
sick sentinel
i use this with the sharedmedia thing, and then it tells me in AI voice "debuff", "avoid", "spread out"
jagged pier
Sounds like a bit to much noise for me
Look we arent going to agree, but in my opinion u should be looking at your char and have stuff around for quick refernce its way fast and it really does improve your play, i used to click so i know what llok at action bars does to you and i still find myself looking at my bars from time to time its ahard thing to kick
sick sentinel
i find it quiet personally, i don't mind it, it's just the reminder that "something" is about to try to kill me that's nessecary
carmine prawn
anyone knows where can i find a table to show the effects of rogue mind numbing poison has?
strong forum
Can prolly track that with plater as special debuff
inland raft
I made click theough action bars in middle where used to use weakauras
Still hide the main bars with binds but got tired of editing weakauras between classes/patches/etc so now can just drag and drop
tropic linden
Look we arent going to agree, but in my opinion u should be looking at your char...
I have the problem that i stare to much at my weakaura to don't waste rage or GCD and loose interupts and other shit. There is any kind of tip for this?
jagged pier
Time and perseverance, best way for most people if u find yourself staring at somethjng too much just get rid of it till your used to not having it sure u might not play and effeciently etc etc, but u will get there quicker than you thought for inatance i change one button to a new keybind like once every few days then wehn i was comfortable using the keys instead of clicking i just got rid of my action bars
I do have them now but i got comfortable not looking at them all the time i dont kind of dont see them, sure as i said occationally find myself looking at them but i go oh im looling at my bars time to my eyes back
For a WA i would say get rid of it or get a rage bar and put it under your char if your afraid of wasting rage
Gcd im not sure why u need a wa to track that just spam ss
Or tc
fleet river
It's easy to have played warrior for the better part of two decades and not need to look at your bars practically ever. As a baseline you should always know
- how much rage you have
- status of your defensive cooldowns (all of them, spell reflect, trinkets, etc)
- external cooldowns (treants, pain suppression, whatever)
The rest comes down to preference. If you can manage whatever your legendary is doing, and your offensive and movement abilities then who cares if you look at them.
The important thing about warrior tanking is knowing when you can spend rage offensively, that's mostly it other than having a sense of incoming damage and which defensives you need
If you are playing group leader and calling out interrupts and every single other thing, you obviously will need a more extensive ui
Also jakey I love the voice alerts, but I have the majority of them turned off. Not using sound for timing things is silly. Configure unique sounds and bar colors in bigwigs for every mechanic that requires my attention too
Here is my UI (idk if this is self promotion I just use twitch for keeping vods, there is no monetization though) https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1019523575?t=01h22m57s
cold flame
so that's what the jadefire mechanic looks like
signal plover
I have the problem that i stare to much at my weakaura to don't waste rage or GC...
Literally just play the game and analyze how you're playing. Practice makes perfect as long as you always accept that you can play better.
high folio
I have the problem that i stare to much at my weakaura to don't waste rage or GC...
over time youll kinda just get a feel for it and either wont need to looks or can just glance every so often. prot doesnt have any kind of explosive rage gen extreme enough to insta cap you (outside of pre pull ava into charge into demo) like butt drugs said a lot has to do w making a judgement call on when to IP dump and when to Revenge dump.
frosty ridge
I have the problem that i stare to much at my weakaura to don't waste rage or GC...
it might be a UI position issue too, if your WA of resources and your rotation are far apart, not in the middle of the screen where all important stuff should be, that could make you miss other stuff. but if everything where it should be, and you still miss important stuff like casts etc, you can still fix it by making a sound for that cast for example, or a visual representation of important thing in your face, or better both. other than that - like PawRevere said, practice makes perfect.
high folio
^^^ well played prot warriors are beasts and youll start to feel it when you get there
fleet river
Yes what @frosty ridge said, in that video you'll notice I have a huge ass screen and everything I need in combat is in the center, almost making a tiny window I can see my character through
sick sentinel
Hey:) so i changed my legendary to reprisal is there any macro to use with that? like smth to intervene the closest player?
high folio
mouse overs are pretty common
wild hemlock
high folio
could use an @ foucs too and set one of you melees as your focus
that works tooo
couple ways to skin a cat here
sick sentinel
well y i guess a mouseover is the best choice with random ppl in m+
signal plover
Yeh don't overthink it
high folio
i just click it on the nearest melee to me
its a 30 sec cd so not like it needs a high prio hot key or something
sick sentinel
ty guys so much
high folio
sure!
jagged pier
Hey:) so i changed my legendary to reprisal is there any macro to use with that?...
best way focus target and move that frame to a nice play u can get to easily then just use a mouse over macro so u just need to hoverover the frame to cast it
high folio
that may be a pvp wa
sick sentinel
then it goes to the closest person:/ i mean i was in oribos i was in a party and instead of doing it to the person in my party it did it to a far away warrior xD
frosty ridge
I would never do something like that automatic, would never trust it
wintry vessel
Hey guys, Crusader or Elemental Force for leveling?
modern brook
why would you use a weak aura that "tries to find your intended target"
frosty ridge
it's not that hard to just press a button when you need and on correct target, sometimes you just have to play the game, not a big deal
ionic fern
MOuseover Intervene best INtervene - especially in a PuG.
If you got a dedicated group you could play around with other types of macros for intervene.
signal plover
Trying to automate intervene is inting
signal plover
Pretty sure fight club is pinned in TBC channels
wintry vessel
<#843489817869549599> or discord.gg/fightclub
...but what about for retail 😅
signal plover
Ppl enchant stuff while leveling in retail?
wintry vessel
Yeah
jagged pier
ive had them on heirlooms for years
strong forum
Speeds it up a tad bit
signal plover
Are there loom weapons?
high folio
yeah
strong forum
Ofcc
jagged pier
yeah
signal plover
I don't think I've leveled 0-cap since vanilla
high folio
i did back in legion
signal plover
I think my warr is legit the only thing I havent boosted oof
strong forum
I boosted my war from 81 to 85 in mop cuz I was lazy as shit
signal plover
Outta all the boosts...
patent osprey
I boosted my war from 81 to 85 in mop cuz I was lazy as shit
thats a next level boost
lol
signal plover
Legend
strong forum
So it didn count
modern brook
ive only 0-capped one of my toons
signal plover
Bois I need opinions. Is TBCC a waste of time if I'm gonna keep raiding 9.1
Logic says yes
modern brook
yes
high folio
yeah
strong forum
9.1 is a waste of time
high folio
bc is a p hefty time sink
strong forum
Tbc is a waste of time
modern brook
Bois I need opinions. Is TBCC a waste of time if I'm gonna keep raiding 9.1
heres the secret bro
video games are a waste of time
strong forum
Choose
sweet summit
Do it
modern brook
learn a trade
signal plover
I know several trades
modern brook
Learn more
signal plover
I'm aight
modern brook
Learn a better game
high folio
weeb wow hahaha
modern brook
learn a trade in weeb wow
You have so many options
that arent
"play the 'new' races in tbc"
signal plover
Ok yes but
What if I also alrdy cleared everything in TBC except sunwell.
This time will be different right
strong forum
Get glad
signal plover
See this is what I needed
modern brook
get glad in no dampening arenas :pepechortle:
signal plover
V strawng
sweet summit
Waitreally
strong forum
If you couldn't finish the deal
sweet summit
That sounds giga boring
strong forum
And would end in a tie
strong forum
I've had my fair share of 50min 2s games in tbc
sweet summit
That a good point
modern brook
If 50 minute arenas arent your speed you can enjoy the 30 apm rotation on boss fights so "difficult" it might take a whole hour after release before its beaten
sweet summit
Ive already studied it
strong forum
Atleast the armor looked cool
modern brook
Honestly
high folio
thats another reason i dont see the allure of classic.
modern brook
Classic/TBC is just Runescape without the clout
modern brook
i CBA'd to do the maw cause im not allowed to mount in it
really think im going to grind non-quest mobs?????
smh
autumn pendant
remeber when every one said classic was going to be hard
You know how hard are my character´s thighs from all that running?
jagged pier
not as thick as kelias
wintry vessel
thats a next level boost
I once boosted 111-120 cause I had a job at the time and didn't wanna quest BFA again..
high folio
jfc hahaha
modern brook
not as thick as kelias
bro honestly IDK when they nerfed it but the female models in classic have some MILKERS
high folio
prob around the same time fortnite had to remove booby jiggle physics lmao
modern brook
you're joking but that chunli skin was thicc dude
high folio
hahaha idk if thats when it actually happened just thought there was a funny parallel lmao
high folio
I once boosted 111-120 cause I had a job at the time and didn't wanna quest BFA ...
ill give it to you tho i hated bfa questing, shit was ass
modern brook
I actually cant even post the pictures I'll get banned
that chun li skin single handedly made me reinstall fortnite ngl
high folio
googling
hmm
childrens game btw
theres a disgusting amount of rule 34 of that skin 100%
modern brook
buttle royale
high folio
mommy milky royale
at this point they are syphoning money from the same degens that buy hot tub streamer only fans
high folio
shits been weird since 2018
stuff like only fans and hot tub streamers are the reason i say woman play life on recruit mode
sweet summit
autumn pendant
not as thick as kelias
who dat
high folio
and im fucking mad ab it
sweet summit
Kyrian soulbind lady @autumn pendant
modern brook
Jakey cant spell
high folio
i wish i was some fine ass dime piece that could not have to get a job
WHERES MY SUGAR DADDY ?!?!?!
sweet summit
Same
modern brook
Im living your dream tbh
undone verge
if only
modern brook
ERga might remember my e girl phase
autumn pendant
smh my head
sweet summit
Do i?
high folio
ERga might remember my e girl phase
smg my damn head
sweet summit
I dont even remember waking up today
gaunt dawn
Imagine not being a dime
undone verge
sleep till 11, wow till 2AM
modern brook
Imagine not being a dime
honestly i just got a fresh cut
im a 12 rn
and no ones appreciating it :/
gaunt dawn
PogU
high folio
at least you recognize the tyrannical power women have in the modern era
stark sage
modern brook
? just dont be thirsty lol
high folio
onlyfans dog
gaunt dawn
And that
high folio
it baffles me
gaunt dawn
Dont be a fuckin creep
modern brook
^
high folio
like i was at a car meet once right
sweet summit
Loser
modern brook
fucking weeb
high folio
and some guy was telling me a story ab a girl that wanted to buy a 240 sx
they were ab 5k at the time for a decent not super clapped out one
strong forum
WHERES MY SUGAR DADDY ?!?!?!
Just get a sugar mommy
stark sage
Just get a sugar mommy
that's what i did
strong forum
Nice
high folio
this girl made an OF account
and made 5 grand in three weeks
and bought the car
i
fucking
strong forum
Easily done
high folio
wish
sweet summit
Did she pay taxes
gaunt dawn
You dont want to wish for that my dude
strong forum
Just open an OF yourself, even guys can make good money
modern brook
Did she pay taxes
high folio
i dunno, the was 6 months ago
modern brook
🤷♀️ iunno man its their body their life
high folio
^
modern brook
Let them make money off idiots
strong forum
Don't kink shame
high folio
Just get a sugar mommy
im convinced they dont exist
gaunt dawn
I'm all for doing what you want
stark sage
5k in 3 weeks isnt really a lot of money tho
i guess for work that takes no skills/school its a lot
modern brook
5k in 3 weeks isnt really a *lot* of money tho
i guess for work that takes no sk...
I mean
gaunt dawn
U kno
high folio
Let them make money off idiots
this is waht im ggetting at, im more mad at the male species as a whole for allowing this kind of degeneracy
modern brook
being pretty takes a lot of skills / education
just not like
STem/ trade knowledge
high folio
we are the thrist mfs that buy that garbage
stark sage
yeah that's what i mean
strong forum
Being a Sex worker is quite dangerous
undone verge
men are so stupid lets be honest
undone verge
yes we are
high folio
to much testosterone makes overall iq plummet
autumn pendant
Being pretty takes lot of hours in photoshop
high folio
oof
stark sage
Being pretty takes lot of hours in photoshop
nah just use filters
strong forum
Filters already are huge
modern brook
See idk
stark sage
there's pretty good filters that will do all your makeup to
can just wake up and start working