Until blizz caves and gives us fury execute muahahaha
#protection
signal plover
sick sentinel
i just like the idea of a big strong man run in with a shield and (weapon) and he try to cut enemy head off and bash head with shield
works cited
sturdy sable
You still want stormbolt with reprisal being able to lock down a mob is worth more then a few extra charges
jagged pier
nah its a preference
signal plover
Yeah boiii
brittle owl
stormbolt is either the only pick in the row
or actually inting
dependimg on your comp
sick sentinel
depends on dungeon i guess
extra charge would be more useful to interupt pull caster mobs (engage, interupt, bring to desired location)
always been team storm bolt, but it doesn't do shit for damage and stun DR, especially with cow radial 8y stun, don't always get nice stun off it
sick sentinel
i didn't like it because it was feels bads if you didn't hit the 3 targets to reduce CD from 40 to 25
un-reliable is a way to put it
and then on top of that, you didn't have another also stun that was range and longer duration if it went in same row
rancid ember
storm bolt is a chad tool to delay a cast, or stop a non-kickable cast. I use it the same way I use my Panda Racial 
jagged pier
but what if the mob is stun dr'd?
rancid ember
PANDA Racial 🥰
honest wedge
guys on a 15, how many anima orbs can u tank from oryphiron in SoA on tyrannical
strong forum
all of em id say
lofty widget
all of them easily
strong forum
your healers just needs to be aware of em
sick sentinel
i think you can SR for -20% because magic damage on thos
they hit for alot, but not often enough that you're gunna die, any healer should be able to keep you up i'd say
pretty sure i saw paladins and hunters invincible it
fierce field
I just throw my rogue at them
strong forum
id save SR for the stomp
jagged pier
guys on a 15, how many anima orbs can u tank from oryphiron in SoA on tyrannical
u can take all of them u just need to prep
rancid ember
I miss big reflects on the War. I am VDH simp these days
signal plover
Sad
strong forum
Sad
rancid ember
sick sentinel
PF +11, soon,
jagged pier
misty charm
guys help, whats the trick for high mists keys? if we dont kill the first boss in one phase we wipe on tyran keys ;/
misty charm
is there anything else to avoid dmg next to dodging the blue swirlys?
amber herald
interuppt
jagged pier
well the swirls land near players so u can stack and move
so when the fear comes u dont run into them
also inturpt rotation
thats about it
u just need to last 2 maybe 3 phases
i think when i did 19 we did 3 phases but u just do mechanics boss dies
misty charm
we just did 18 and the one random we had was a mage that just left after we didnt one phase it lmao
jagged pier
yer thats pugging
i was in a pug where we didnt kill it phase 1
and ppl kept tuneling even after the 80% Damage reduction on the boss
misty charm
wtf
jagged pier
then they were like 'THE BOSS IS AT !)% HIT THE BOSS'
t10%*
like didnt even know the mechanics of the fight
misty charm
gotta love me some pugs
tbf our hunter died to swirlys 2 times in the first phase so theres that
jagged pier
how?
misty charm
by being a potato
jagged pier
fairs
strong forum
was prolly a bm hunter
sick sentinel
bad manner hunter
strong forum
big monkey
sick sentinel
i really like hunters because MD FD, pet threat/utility
still pagoda
and ppl kept tuneling even after the 80% Damage reduction on the boss
is that a SoO Nazgrim reference!?
strong forum
no thats just mists first boss
jagged pier
no its a general thing in mists that ppl do
strong forum
i really like hunters because theyre a shrouded presence, you dont know if you have a hunter or not in raid and the players never stand out either
fresh belfry
yeah so you can obviosuly totally spellreflect the magic damage meteor on guardian
*deflect
forest abyss
Is the reprisal leggo still BiS for M+ or is the wall better?
sick sentinel
What is the safest 9.1 raiding cov?
jagged pier
Is the reprisal leggo still BiS for M+ or is the wall better?
yes
jagged pier
What is the safest 9.1 raiding cov?
whatever you want
sick sentinel
No 🧢?
jagged pier
yes
sick sentinel
poggies
jagged pier
prot is in a position where u can be anything u want and it hardly effects anything
they all have up sides and down sides
sick sentinel
Kyrian pot would be best for defensive?
sweet summit
yeah so you can obviosuly totally spellreflect the magic damage meteor on guardi...
wdym 👀
which one
jagged pier
Kyrian pot would be best for defensive?
probably
sick sentinel
Thanks!
fresh belfry
mhm looks like you cant and i thought I could
modern brook
Man look at all these noobs asking about covenants and expecting Sr to be usable
Smh
rancid ember
Signs War is on the rise 
haughty pivot
no its a general thing in mists that ppl do
Around 10% is where it can be faster to tunnel than to do another phase is my understanding
elfin nova
There's no way tunneling through the 80% dr at 10% boss hp is correct
That's the same as doing 50% of the bosses health in damage
haughty pivot
I mean it depends on key level
elfin nova
When you're already deep in a phase with blue shit on the ground
haughty pivot
At a 15 it definitely works, I did it yesterday
amber herald
the dr isn't permanent
haughty pivot
In my experience, just KSM level not 20s, at 10-12% it’s ok to tunnel
Higher than that phase it again
elfin nova
At a 15 you could probably solo it idk
haughty pivot
Last night we phased 2x then tunnel I believe
elfin nova
I know the dr isn't permenant
haughty pivot
Yeah I’m sure with scaling at higher keys this no longer works
But I’m just saying it’s not a rule in all situations that you don’t tunnel
elfin nova
Jake was talking about still tunneling once the 80% dr was up right
haughty pivot
Either way, if you tunnel at 12 you get him to 3 when dr goes up you don’t swap
elfin nova
Well obviously not but that's not the situation he was talking about
haughty pivot
That said in a pug when one dps always tunnels no matter what then I dunno what you do
haughty pivot
waxen cradle
from any who have tested on the PTR, has anyone seen what the kyrian leggo will do for Prot Warriors or have they even finished it yet ?
sweet summit
its still unknown
waxen cradle
let's hope after all this time its not pure crap, which in a way I kind of hope it is, because I don't see much beating The Wall, and Reprisal, so at best it expect it to be like most a niche leggo
oblique garnet
2 charges in spear 
waxen cradle
yeah that would be kind of nice though
sweet summit
no it would not
haughty pivot
My theory is blizz realized making a covenant lego good removes all choice from covenant options so they all suck now
oblique garnet
Now they just need to do that to NF soulbinds otherwise there will be nothing but NF
waxen cradle
it would suck honestly as they would find a way to either one make it a possibly mandatory choice for scenarios where you need mob control or make you choose between it and our other frankly 2 good choices anyway
oblique garnet
Wouldnt worry about that too much now anyways
Theres plenty of time before tier releases and theres hardly been any real tuning on anything yet
waxen cradle
As I said I do not expect to see anything that will shake up the whole use the Wall here, or Reprisal here
and as the this tier has dragged on I have loved finding the times when Reprisal really shined in CN
misty charm
how much does the vulpera racial do again in a key?
vast geyser
Is the 9.1 buff exclusive to warr or all tanks?
sweet summit
we got buffs?
vast geyser
Like 10% dmg reduction?
sweet summit
that was 9.0.5 and it was all tanks
amber herald
if you're seeing it in patch 9.1 notes it's because they're adding ranks for levelling
no change at endgame
vast geyser
Ooh
proud dock
the pin doesnt indicate which gear slot for reprisal. does that mean it doesnt matter?
sweet summit
legs if u cant get slg mythic legs
proud dock
thanks
misty charm
can anybody explain to me how bag of tricks work? i wanna change it with rummage your bag but it doesnt do anything
sick sentinel
what do you have to bring to skip the trash before 1st boss mists
hollow sun
warlock, mage, rogue, dh, monk, mage, hunter
sick sentinel
you have to do a CC on far right guy is all i know and hug wall
hollow sun
all of them can
sick sentinel
so really aything
sick sentinel
they are all grouped together, so if one of them gets CC (harmful effect) doesn't his buddies come then
invis, FD mage hunter maybe
hollow sun
what are you talking about>?
sick sentinel
hollow sun
yes, you dn't need to group anything at all
imprison or sap the mob in the river and pass
a monk can ring of peace it and then paralize
warlock can make the gate before
mage can sheep, then he goes first and get combat, everyone else passes by, he invis and gg
same with hunter
sick sentinel
time for deplete
hollow sun
it always is xD
ivory coral
warlock, mage, rogue, dh, monk, mage, hunter
Also priest
hollow sun
yeah, i thought i had written that one 😅
btw, what app are you guys using to log?
i in the folder where my logs are supposed to end i don't find anything
sturdy sable
Im 90% sure monks paralyze is not a sap and will put you in combat so dont use one for the skip
misty timber
It’s being in Agro range of paralyze that puts you in combat. That’s what the ring of peace is for
I’ve had monks do it cleanly a few times on that pull. My experience is that asking a hunter to do trap + run through first and drop combat is way more likely to fail
Someone else always gets on agro table in pugs anyway
One time I told a hunter how to do it. He just ran straight into the pack without trapping and fd’d in the middle while half the group was following him 😭
signal plover
Amazing
sick sentinel
Night fae prot warrior is gonna rock next pact boys
fallow jasper
really thinking about it since mog looks sick
sick sentinel
Dude fk the mog! You get insane healing + insnae mastery boost every 60 sec
And warrior always scales
signal plover
NF prot is alrdy strong...
sick sentinel
Actually let me check the tmog too
signal plover
And we scale basically the same as everyone since content scales with us
fallow jasper
is kyrian dps that bad?
signal plover
Kyrian prot dps?
signal plover
For PvE?
signal plover
Most raiding dps warrs will be fury with either venth or NF atm
Kyrian pvp as arms is fine.
Not sure what arms does for PvE DPS tbh since those are a rare breed atm.
Prolly similar to fury but I'm sure arms chat can answer that.
Prot warr can make any covenant work ATM (this will likely continue into 9.1 as well, we just don't know kyrian leggo yet)
sick sentinel
True
fallow jasper
if prot can pick anything, might as well pick draculas
sick sentinel
Its potential to pick anything does not necessarily imply that it will work best in every situation
I got a question for those who has done +20 as prot warrior, I might as well make a forum topic about it as well.
What ability you guys wish you had for +20 keys that you'd think make the run easier?
You can refer to any old/removed spells, racials, talens
late ermine
when stacking haste is there a limit to how low I can get shield block recharge?
jagged pier
Around 10% is where it can be faster to tunnel than to do another phase is my un...
No that 100% depends on key lvl and affix, on 18/19 tyran far eaiser to just kill the tree as the boss has far to much health that if takes forever to kill it with the 80% damage reduction. The room just fills up with blue and u get too mamy fears that kill people
tender cove
Any drawbacks to macroing charge and leap together?
jagged pier
how would that macro even work?
tender cove
how would that macro even work?
You will charge if possible and same time it will also light up the placement marker for leap.
Only drawback i can think off, is that you can't use a [@cursor] macro for instant leap
jagged pier
honestly its not a good idea
tender cove
Its not possible anymore but before you could charge and leap in the same global
jagged pier
what if u have something targeted when u want to leap
or the not targetted when u want to charge
if your going to macro charge into anything its intercept
tender cove
or the not targetted when u want to charge
What does it matter if i have a target? The macro always casts leap regardless if you have a target or not.
You just have to click to activate the actual, ehm, leap portion
Charge also doesn't work in melee range, so would be pretty rare to accidentally do it.
jagged pier
i dunno you do u, sounds like a pointless macro to me tbh, as what i said above if you are going to macro charge with anything it should be intervene
tender cove
i dunno you do u, sounds like a pointless macro to me tbh, as what i said above ...
The point would be to save a keybind and fair enough you think its pointless but I wasn't asking your opionon on the usefulness, i was asking if there's any actual drawback to doing it.
jagged pier
if your doing it save a keybind thats pointless
jagged pier
'what if u have something targeted when u want to leap'
strong forum
if you try to activate leap, you would get a target
because charge will incur "targeting" something
aslong as its in range
you wont immediately charge, but it will target something and if you accidentally click twice, youd charge instead of leap
its just not beneficial in any practical way, saving keybinds is a stupid reason to create macros
tender cove
because charge will incur "targeting" something
Im standing at the dummies and hitting them and casting leap just fine with a target
not sure what you mean?
strong forum
go into charge range
strong forum
how would that work just fine, if both spells are ready, youd charge instead of leap
since you dont have any conditional modifiers to choose which 1 over the other
tender cove
If i can charge, why would i want to leap?
tender cove
I always want to charge into packs if i can?
and if im already in melee, i can leap away?
Maybe im stupid but i really dont get it
strong forum
what if youre not in melee range but want to leap away
aka kiting
this macro would make it unnecessarily convoluted to leap away
if you think its good, use it, but you heard our opinions
flint tiger
when tanking high keys, there are times you have to kite the mobs and you'd be in charge range. unless you're always the time to drop your target all the time in those cases, you'd charge when you wanted to leap across to the opposite side of them instead
but if you like that playstyle, then knock yourself out
seems wack to me
tender cove
Yeh, clicking once with the mouse isn't really convoluted to me so i'll play around with it and keep what you said in mind and maybe i'll realize im gimping myself but i really dont have that last keybind lol...
tender cove
how? 😮
flint tiger
cause it used to be all in one
strong forum
some classes require 60
flint tiger
in one xpac
tender cove
Do you have one of those special mouse with a gazillion buttons?
strong forum
no
tender cove
then wtf?
strong forum
qertzyxcvf 12345 + shit alt and control modifiers
tender cove
I have almost 40 keybinds atm
strong forum
mouse 4 5 shift, alt and control
f1 f2 f3 + shift alt and control
and so on and so forth
strong forum
f2 and f3 are rare buttons but ye
tender cove
wait, why?
flint tiger
not the smartest but that's me lo
strong forum
if you play arena you can easily end up with like 80 keybinds
tender cove
I always hated pvp 😛
tender cove
haven't played warrior since start of wod
strong forum
thats just a general thing
i dont do those insane amounts of buttons
but the general idea of macroing stuff together is just bad
the only thing that is actually good is the charge/intervene macro
because its a conditional modifier thats very descriptive
tender cove
just a shift modifer macro with a @mouse ?
strong forum
nah
its harm vs help
cant confuse those
intervene works only on friendlies, so if you put that on higher prio, it will ALWAYS cast intervene if youre mouseover a friendly
if you dont have a friendly mouseover'd itll charge
flint tiger
i've got some wacky binds
tender cove
Do you have stuff like shattering throw if you dont pvp?
flint tiger
but i don't feel like i don't have too many
i do have a fancier keyboard with 5 extra keys on the left of the keyboard
strong forum
shattering throw is good on a select few bosses / mobs in SL
flint tiger
but that's about it for my mmo thing
jagged pier
yes there are plenty of absorb sheilds i n m+ and raid
tender cove
orly? 😮
im only lvl 58 so im total noob warrior xD
what about whirlwind? Dont see any guides mentioning it but if you wanna whore dps and get carried by healer its ok?
tender cove
k
jagged pier
u dont need it on your bar gives u an extra keybind
tender cove
didnt have it on bars cuz i dont feel comfortable with that amount of whoring but was curious 😄
Guides should prob mention how bad it really is, on paper it looks like a good aoe if you wanna sacrifice the rage
Anything else i should think about that is common noob mistake but maybe isn't super obvious at first glance?
maiden notch
i really only press IP when there's a fat tank buster or when im going to way overcap on rage
lowkey want to switch my prot to NF, do you guys think it's superior to kyrian? 😮
They seem kinda the same
jagged pier
they are basically the same
fathom spindle
Anything else i should think about that is common noob mistake but maybe isn't s...
I think there’s a pinned guide on here on what you can and can’t spell reflect.
Not only can you mitigate the damage by 100%, but sometimes it’s a huge DPS increase on the right bosses.
(Like first boss in Plaguefall, you can spell reflect his stomp, and last boss in Theater, you can reflect her schyte).
A common mistake i see is people not utilizing spell reflect to its fullest potential.
Even If you can’t reflect the spell, spell reflect is still 20% less magic damage taken for 5 seconds.
So it even has value If you have like a DoT on you etc.
Spell reflect is your best friend as Warrior.
tender cove
I think there’s a pinned guide on here on what you can and can’t spell reflect.
...
This is great, i knew it was a valuable button but not that it worked to such great extent even on bosses. I saw the spreadsheet but i will definitely have to read it now. Thanks a bunch 🙂
blazing condor
@tender cove
there is also this weakaura ( https://wago.io/SpellReflectionTracker ) that acts as a spell reflect tracker and will be visible when something you can reflect is cast
very handy
mental scarab
any macro for like charge and soulshape in to one button?
hollow sun
why would you want something like that
mental scarab
the stun thingy you can use
hollow sun
you can use flicker as well on the same button as soulshape
mental scarab
yea that i know
hollow sun
just use a different keybind
distant kestrel
<@!320957287818854401>
there is also this weakaura ( https://wago.io/SpellRefle...
Does it track all spells that are reflectable or the ones cast at you?
blazing condor
Does it track all spells that are reflectable or the ones cast at you?
I havent really cross-checked with the spreadsheet but i think its the same spells in the WA as the sheet. This also includes boss abilities that target everyone etc
sick sentinel
This is great, i knew it was a valuable button but not that it worked to such gr...
this is probably part of my problems with PF, but i hate that dungeon in general now
hollow sun
i'm so sick of russians leaving my keys after one death
just failed SD 18
and now i have to do it again to get a different key
hollow sun
yeah, new rule from now on
jagged pier
i thought that was a rule from like legion
blazing condor
Nothing like having to deplete the same dungeon 4 times in a row
I played a 3 stack ruski yesterday and it went incredibly well. Even though the dps was kind of ass
But its very hit or miss
Same with people from sanguino/hyjal
jagged pier
tbh i have had some very good ruskis tbh
blazing condor
For sure
fathom spindle
”Ruski are only invited If they play hunter”
The golden rule
blazing condor
”Ruski are only invited If they play hunter”
The golden rule
Smart because then the ruski and huntard cancels out so it actually might be a good player
PEMDAS or some shit
ivory coral
I definitely think people hating on russians is a confirmation bias thing where people want to confirm their prejudice. They are just people like anyone else and I have not noticed any difference playing with russians.
fathom spindle
Smart because then the ruski and huntard cancels out so it actually might be a g...
I tend to avoid Ruskis in general, but when they play hunter they tend to perform decently atleast.
Everything else is a big no no
ivory coral
It's super fucking cringe to blame your failures on people with cyrillic names
hollow sun
I definitely think people hating on russians is a confirmation bias thing where ...
100% true
but it happened 4 times on this week
hollow sun
i aint a perfect human being, i got 4 russians leaving keys when we had wipe recovery possibilities
amber herald
russians
blazing condor
My biggest issue with russians are just the lack of communication and usually quite easily tilted personality
hollow sun
so yeah
amber herald
they tend to be pepegas and you can communicate literally nothing to them
even if someone doesn't speak english you can figure something out because it's the same alphabet
fathom spindle
Russians tend to underperform, have a hard time with the language, and also Quick to anger over minor inconveniences.
That’s my experience atleast
ivory coral
i don't know, I don't do giga high keys just around the 18-19 mark and russians communicate perfectly fine 🤷
blazing condor
its obviously a lot of bias as well
hollow sun
well ofc guys
amber herald
idk we all seem to be saying the same thing about them
easily mad and can't communicate
hollow sun
actually i am ukranian and spent like 10 years in russia
but i still keep getting bad experiences in wow with them
hollow sun
but i still keep getting bad experiences in wow with them
like
ivory coral
"we are all prejudice so prejudice has to be right" is basically what you're saying @amber herald
hollow sun
they actually invited a russian priest and we now timed the 17 but idk
distant kestrel
Same with people from sanguino/hyjal
I swear not all spanish realms r like this 🥺😭
amber herald
"we are all prejudice so prejudice has to be right" is basically what you're sa...
yep
ivory coral
keep blaming russians instead of improving i guess
fathom spindle
"we are all prejudice so prejudice has to be right" is basically what you're sa...
”If everyones experience is pretty much the same, maybe there’s something to it”.
Don’t go putting your words in others mouth
amber herald
It's a video game I don't have to invite pepegas if I don't want to too 🤷♂️
jagged pier
okay papper, i once had a russian die on the first pack of SD by standing a trap and he left and blamed the healer
how can i improve myself around that?
ivory coral
@jagged pier and i've had plenty of EU people do that too
amber herald
I like Russia and Russians by the way, I'm on another server with a lot of them
it's just in keys they have a reputation and they tend to live up to it
blazing condor
russia isn't EU
ivory coral
european union? No
blazing condor
well
ivory coral
unless i missed them joining
hollow sun
in wow yes lol
jagged pier
they are not part of the EU
blazing condor
EU usually doesn't mean european union when talking bout gaming
but youre right
they arent : )
jagged pier
the probably have russian serves but like other games fro some reason they get better connection to the EU realms
and there are more ppl
like there are russian specific realms are sure of it
fathom spindle
They can’t even use mics in Valorant 🤷♂️
hollow sun
there definetly russians servers, but i think we are in the same server group (mine is Outland EU)
blazing condor
either way at the end of the day we all create our own keys and decide who we wanna pick. Maybe people int by not bringing certain people from certain regions but then that's their problem
🤷♂️
there's no "correct" in this discussion
jagged pier
true
hollow sun
of course, it was more of a vent
fathom spindle
Apperently we’re in the wrong though, according to papper.
So supposedly our experience don’t really matter 🤷♂️
ivory coral
Apperently we’re in the wrong though, according to papper.
So supposedly our ex...
correct
hollow sun
cause the key was timed and we had one more try at it
jagged pier
i mean not everyones experience is gunna be the same
fathom spindle
So invite all the ruskis
blazing condor
invite who you want
blazing condor
periodt 💅
jagged pier
but like i said much earlier ive had good ruskis, and bad in general they arent the ppl i want to take so i dont 🤷
strong forum
a few peoples experience doesnt mean its true, that being said, i wouldnt invite them either cuz the chance they can communicate is very low
simple as that
jagged pier
☝️
blazing condor
tldr; different experiences with different people
blazing condor
or saying " we will invis here in the dungeon so you know"
jagged pier
pops dps potion
blazing condor
"o i dmg potted"
hollow sun
man
fathom spindle
Well, few people is pretty much the majority of people, on various games (not just wow).
Hence the stereotype.
But i digress, i don’t invite them, but when i join PuGs myself, i occasionally get em
hollow sun
its like people going inside the nzoth portals before the tank
jagged pier
yer that was a yikes
fathom spindle
N’zoth was harder in LFR than in HC.
Change my mind
blazing condor
LFR is harder than HC
fathom spindle
Ohh, yeah 😅 had to get a WA so i would shout
jagged pier
so fucking dumb dps just going in and dying
well its not my problem dont go in before me
🤷
fathom spindle
”Gotta go fast”
blazing condor
people just yolo-portal on the platforms then get 1 shot
jagged pier
i say it to a lot of my dungeon groups when they complain about my routes
'this route will time the key, it might not be the fastest but its safe and will time the key'
we dont need to rush
blazing condor
hmmm... should i let the tank lead the key.... mmmm.... no.
jagged pier
then they try and speed it up and fuck somthing up
'OMG SHIT ROUTE'
no u just dumb and body pulled trying to go fast
fathom spindle
People want MDI pulls, with LFR DPS
jagged pier
thats the most annoying
i got told that once by a druid
so i pulled 2 packs
and he didnt use his cds
🤔
jagged pier
like what are u asking for then
jagged pier
-.-
fathom spindle
My personal favorite in PuGs is the shamans that never interupts
blazing condor
tldr everyone sucks
blazing condor
I cant wrap my head around Boomies who solar-beam a singular interrupt before a big caster pack
like the packs in SD
fathom spindle
The robot before the three slimes in DoS
blazing condor
People cant think ahead
jagged pier
u expect dps'ers to think what coming up passed what to use their cds on
fathom spindle
As Jakey said, everyone sucks, most likely us aswell 🤷♂️
blazing condor
For sure
I have fucked up a lot of times in keys - but thats the best way to learn tbh
then i dont really do the same mistake again
its just an incredibly punishing game
fathom spindle
But i hate people questioning my route while we play.
Ive done this on a +21, chances are my route is good enough for this weekly +14 no leaver 🤷♂️
But naah, gotta argue halfway through because it’s different from the last run they had with a completly different tank
blazing condor
as long as you dont do anything too complicated that 14 puggers dont understand
fathom spindle
Everything is to complicated in the ”no leaver” groups ive come to notice 😂
Yet i find myself in them way to often.
strong forum
the no leaver groups are usually people that cant successfully complete their weekly key in time
from unexperienced people for unexperienced people
jagged pier
As Jakey said, everyone sucks, most likely us aswell 🤷♂️
look im not saying im bad but Nome sent me this and it sums me up well 
fathom spindle
I know.
Most likely people that got carried by friends in a +15 the previous week
blazing condor
lol
fathom spindle
Lol xD
jagged pier
I know.
Most likely people that got carried by friends in a +15 the previous wee...
people have been carried to higher io every week, like when i finished all 19s in time ppl in the gorup finder where still reliably good imo, now i find it hit and miss in 18s and stuff
but ppl get carried to high io in ez weeks
but will bne harder with the bliz scoring as every week is push week as u get different score depending tryan or fortifed or somthing like that i think
fathom spindle
I think 16-18 keys are keys you’re supposed to avoid with PuGs though.
jagged pier
they werent though
they are now
like when i was pushing months ago
the ppl with though keys now
were doing like 14s etc
strong forum
blizz scoring will take some time getting used to
strong forum
very small difference in score between pushers and not
jagged pier
really?
strong forum
a 15tyra+15fort is worth as many points as a single 24fort without a tyra key done
strong forum
to get ksm you will need to complete all keys on 15
fort+tyra
or a combination of 14/16
blazing condor
bruh
jagged pier
oh thats cool
strong forum
the difference between 15/15 timed and 17/19 timed is only 20 points on said dungeon
if youre quick in those 15/15, you will only be behind by 10ish score behind the 17/19
jagged pier
strong forum
being quick in a dungeon
amber herald
ksm will need both fort and tyra?
strong forum
is a difference between +8/-8
strong forum
ksm will need both fort and tyra?
yes
amber herald
so twice the work? dammit
it's good though, tyra won't feel quite like a pointless week for a bit
strong forum
you will need to do 16 keys minimum unless you can pump out 8 24s
jagged pier
oh its it based of score?
strong forum
yes
strong forum
on the bench for now
jagged pier
amber herald
are the achievments for 20s fort and tyra as well?
strong forum
i think that one would be score based aswell
idk
would be weird to not have it be score based
blazing condor
i felt cool asf having the CM dungeon portals to vale of eternal blossoms in 8.3
getting dungeon portals for 20s is pretty neat
jagged pier
Same i think its a good idea and gives people a reason to push but tmog sets will be more of an insentive imo
blazing condor
for sure
at least we get something though
for NW if youre gonna orb mini-boss and marauders should you wait for cleavers to cast their shield or just do it asap?
havent tested it enough to really notice
amber herald
I've seen dorki wait for the shield
blazing condor
intuitively that sounds like the play
blazing condor
yeah nar'zudah
ive been waiting for shield now
but not sure if the orb would burn through it anyway/if theyd still cast it
amber herald
probably would but then you have to deal with them
blazing condor
does he wait to even pull them in until shield or does he pull all and then wait?
dunno if heals can really reach
amber herald
on his druid he stealths through pulls the marauders then waits for shields on the stairs
they'll cleave before they shield
blazing condor
yeah its pretty handy 😄
amber herald
one nice thing with warrior is we can deal with both fears so there's no need to worry there
on dudu you have to do it quicker
tame jasper
if you dont mind soothe, can you pick up the hammer there?
in fortified I like to skip the grp, but then ill never try up pick up the hammer
I know you can get the spear from the right side (when locking towards bridge), but the hammer on the left?
sick sentinel
probably a good idea to enchant the gloves i upgrade to 207
99% sure on this that all 3 are total meme foods, i remember reading something about the tenders doesn't work in dungeon i think?
just want to verify that those are complete waste though
blazing condor
I know you can get the spear from the right side (when locking towards bridge), ...
Not sure i havent really tried. Might go and check later today if i can be fucked. Can just look in normal dg
edgy jay
5 HoA in a row and i still haven't seen the neck 
signal plover
do more pull ups
sick sentinel
i feel really awkward start a +11 dos as 208 tank and everyon queing up is 210+
plush tendon
i feel really awkward start a +11 dos as 208 tank and everyon queing up is 210+
Its just that time in the patch; everyone is now 220+ even if they have never done a 14.
If anything, its more awkward for them since why the hell are they still doing 11s
inland raft
Also your prot, 208 is far overgeated for 11s tbh
strong forum
99% sure on this that all 3 are total meme foods, i remember reading something a...
yes, meme food
karmic plinth
if i upgrade this to 220 which should i replace
sweet summit
neither until you farm another socket
karmic plinth
i have enough for a 2nd socket at least
karmic plinth
makes sense
fallow jasper
99% sure on this that all 3 are total meme foods, i remember reading something a...
there's an argument for fried bonefish since all those "gain X after killing an enemy for experience or honor" are obviously meant for leveling, specially if is a speed buff, but the others are like "well, we need some recipes to level cooking so"
sweet summit
nice
blazing condor
only deepthroat packs you got are first 2 packs on left side after 1st boss. First packs on the right platform after 1st boss
and double pull with spear on the platform after that
sick sentinel
sweet summit
Niiiice
blazing condor
Dh has never been happier lol
sick sentinel
okay, how do i do the statues in NW and why do i want to do them, also the weapons/shields
i just don't know how to properly do that part
winter kraken
Hi guys. I’m making a switch to tanking from dps for my guild raid team and warrior is by far my favorite. Seems wars have lost a good bit of stock in SL so far unfortunately. Does anyone know if prot warrior stock may rise in 9.1? Tanks seem fairly unchanged thus far. My guild is pushing CE and I also usually push for pretty high keys (around top 5 for rogues on Sargeras in BFA)
jagged pier
we have not lost stock
we are in a very good place
and in the same place next patch
dont forget there was a prot warrior on the world first kill of sire
jagged pier
Flask is strength
Pot is strength for aoe and phantom for ST
Sharpening stone for aor oil for st
Enchants and gems are haste
And the strength gloves enchant
Eternal stats for chsst
Chsst*
sick sentinel
Yeah I already got those thanks again for writing them to me
What about the Weapon Enchantand sheild
I'm a little low geared atm
jagged pier
U cant enchant shield
And whatever u like for wep
Celestial in general is the all round optoin
Option*
sick sentinel
Thank you very much 
sick sentinel
U cant enchant shield
#bringback shield spike
hollow sun
the resto shaman (that was waiting till i was 30% to start healing me) said that i had bad mitigation on this one. Is it so bad? Particularly gorechop
jagged pier
nah it all seems fine, and shammies healing seems fine matches your damage taken pattern pretty much all the time apart from the start, but maybe the dps kept takign mechanics that means he could be falling behind on u maybe or somthing like that,
u did waste a fair bit of rage, but thats a very small thing and wouldnt effect much just a small thing to work on
jagged pier
nice man
hollow sun
so i am still looking at how to use the log properly
but yeah, tthe dps was pretty bad
i did more than the warlock
and the one over me did 3.7k
but we could have timed it if not for the wipe
jagged pier
you can do a lot with logs, my video was just a quick thing to help ppl start the journey of reading logs
well yer the longer fights go on the more damage your gunna take etc etc
so bad dps wont help
hollow sun
i actually think that i might start backpedalling again...
cause my pvp background makes me get hit in the back i think
jagged pier
im a big big, advocate of back pedaling for tanks, in pve is very very useful
hollow sun
meh
i am much more mobile and reactive
the proble is when you have mobs that surround you after a charge
and by strafing they just akwardly run around you
jagged pier
well there are a lot of places in raiding and m+ where u just stutter setting backwards is really
useful
and helps with potitioning
etc etc
like strafe in pvp
i back pedal in pve
it just who i am
wooden oyster
he was probably referring to the 5 or so hateful strikes that were unblocked and did 30k dmg per hit. overall it doesn't contribute a ton to your dmg taken (melee was far more dmg) but from a healer perspective random huge spikes in dmg taken are more stressful than steady even if a bit higher streams of damage.
sick sentinel
if mob is looking at your back to attack it will NEVER miss and you can't block or parry, you also can't melee attack
may as well be a mage if you do that
wooden oyster
On your second attempt you did a lot better job of mitigating the hateful strikes, 22k avg vs 12k so 👍
fading heath
hey guys sry for being kinda noob but can someone tell me how victory rush works? its my first time playing a warrior and sometimes victory rush is usable and sometimes not
sweet summit
analog swift
hey all, with the ancient aftershock conduit do you still sit on it to pair w/ avatar
sweet summit
if possible yeah, i wouldnt hold either for long to line up though
they should somewhat line up with AM i think 🤔
fading heath
what does that mean and enemy that yields experience or honor?
sweet summit
an enemy roughly the same level as you, but not totems etc
fading heath
oh ok ty
strong forum
you need to actually deal the killing blow
the very last hit
that thing actually needs a rework
like last stand
EXTREMELY outdated design of an ability
hollow sun
On your second attempt you did a lot better job of mitigating the hateful strike...
yeah, i need to start looking at boss timers for that
to not waste block when he is casting the smash
last stand feels bad
without bolstering
sick sentinel
does activate golem have a CD
i tried to do it just now and couldn't see the option
strong forum
you need your buddy
sick sentinel
yeah, i did a NW 10 then a 12
strong forum
dont dismiss your buddy
hollow sun
unless your dps is mega low so it takes you more than 5m from one goliath to the other
strong forum
yes
hollow sun
didn't knew it
when i was kyrian i always dismissed him immediately cause i keep clicking on him lol
strong forum
🙂
fallow jasper
on victory rush, it seems like it was an ability added so that warriors could do quests and open world content without having to sit and eat every two mobs
which is perfectly fine btw
strong forum
yes but its also an insanely outdated design
it should be impending victory baseline
reset CD on killing blow, 30sec CD
its an ability that incredibly rarely grants benefits in the endgame and incredibly RNG at that
the game is 90% designed around endgame
fallow jasper
that's a different argument, every class has stuff that they sure would like to have added baseline
see: every talent that gives charges
strong forum
im not talking "yo i want this talent baseline cuz its strong lmao 4head" the button itself is outdated by design, same as last stand, nothing more nothing less
blazing condor
YOURE outdated 
strong forum
im boomer
hot pebble
So I wanted to play war alt cause awesome mogs. Always liked single 2hander so went arms.
Got no invites to m+, figured could try prot cause arms pvp need versa anyways. I must be crazy but tanking dungeons as prot is actually fun.
short kiln
civic isle
In burning crusade, was warrior tank the best for overall both raid and dungeon?
strong forum
#mop-discussion prolly has an answer for that
but i think bear was very very strong
signal plover
bear scales like crazy later in T6
warr is still MT most of the time cuz SB prevents crushing blows
bear overtakes at some point for pure TPS and ehp
pal is aoe tank king all xpac (so mostly OT roles)
most guilds will prolly run 1 warr MT then one of the others as OT
sweet summit
what the fuck is a crushing blow
strong forum
basically a weaker crit
median tulip
what the fuck is a crushing blow
Sweet Summer Child
I tanked all of original TBC as Warrior
strong forum
erga wasnt even born when TBC was out
sweet summit
👶
median tulip
Yeah I'm fucking ancient
median tulip
I played original beta
strong forum
i wouldve started in vanilla but wasnt allowed cuz money
modern brook
Overall btw
modern brook
DoS 9
strong forum
that explains it
cuz 1.3k hps is very low, if you didnt have a healer youd have alot more hps
sinful cloud
is prot still good with night fae? still wanna play dps with fury
sweet summit
yeah
night fae is very good if u wanna do big dam
only downside is not having phial, and not being kyrian for dungeon buffs xd
sinful cloud
will it still be better in 9.1 with the new soulbinds?
sweet summit
probably still kyrian
fresh ruin
are engineering "Advanced target dummies" any good
or do they die in like 1 hit
fresh ruin
Advanced Target Dummy
kinda like boomie treants, but for engies.
i just dont know how long they survive.
sweet summit
thats just a lower level cardboard assassin it seems
distant crystal
oh is that a vanilla item
fresh ruin
thats what i would think, but someone said they are really handy..
so i was curious if anyone had used them
sweet summit
hmmm
i havent tried them
you can try it because i dont wanna level classic engineering :v)
hot pebble
Is there like a addon or wa that can display mdt routes in minimap or something so you dont have to pull up mdt window constantly when learning new routes?
sweet summit
not as far as i know
all i know is that the creator of MDT is against that, he wants MDT to be for planning. he doesnt want it to be handholding
misty charm
theres a website where you can do your route and have it on your second monitor
if that helps
hot pebble
Oki 😄
blazing condor
I think there was a WA that would mark ads
like live depending on the route
so you could see which one was next to pull
blazing condor
Is there like a addon or wa that can display mdt routes in minimap or something ...
i have no idea how this works or how good it is but you could try it 😄
fading dirge
Hey everyone, I’ve started to branch into prot on the side. Found a lot of info about rotation and abilities etc. looking for a little more guidance on the survival portion. I know shield wall/block will come with knowing the fights and stuff. Is Ignore Pain something I should be trying to keep 100% up time on (or close too?)
sweet summit
it is not
proud dock
when DBM (or the likes) says "Use defensive" im guessing thats when u use shield block, right? as in, it is ideal to use block then
sweet summit
shield block is something you want to have as close to 100% effective uptime as possible
proud dock
gotcha, and when no block, ignore pain as a filler?
sweet summit
the "use defensive" is just "hey there is a big hit incoming" so you just shield block and barely take damage, or you can pair shield block with ignore pain to take even less if needed
when no block you die, kite, get an external, fill with shield wall or pray
ignore pain will not save you in that situation in any relevant m+ level
proud dock
oo i see i mnot at high lvl keys yet so IP was getting me by lol
sweet summit
for raid youd be fine if its just for a bit and no big hits are coming
i just use ignore pain as an off gcd rage spender
proud dock
oo i c i c tyty i have to get out of the habit of wasting rage on IP then
sweet summit
its basically, if you can survive without IP. pump rage into revenge to do damage
proud dock
yup gotcha
fading dirge
Kk ty
tropic linden
Hey, i'm 193 iLVL, is 14SD too much for me?
We timed it, but my healer was way over 200 iLVL. Any tips?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/fYpvXhLTdmM1qkxN/#fight=last&type=healing&source=6
sweet summit
first question i have is why are you looking at your own healing
warriors are a mitigating tank, not a self healing tank
the main thing to look at is "blocked hits"
fleet river
tropic linden
warriors are a mitigating tank, not a self healing tank
It was just a page, i was looking into everything
sweet summit
fair enough
sweet summit
overall blocked hits is a bit on the lower side and could be improved a bit, but you timed it and thats all that matters
sick sentinel
i dunno maybe i had to be closer?, but anyway i tried to activate the robot and we pulled first boss wiped, someone left
sweet summit
you got hit a good bit in the back, so watch your positioning, iroh
tropic linden
you got hit a good bit in the back, so watch your positioning, iroh
Oh, that was it then, cause the uptime was way higher. Was trying to understand this
sick sentinel
i'm gunna invest in some like 1tb + HDD's
will allow me to save footage of any games i run
tropic linden
Yeah, i'm gonna start recording my runs to see where i'm messing up
A lot to learn as tank
sick sentinel
but, as you can see by my image there, it's possible to get the robot wrong and i have proof
will be really nice to be able to view raw video of everything that went right or wrong
frigid narwhal
Anyone on thats willing to help out a newbie prot warrior? :-)
sweet summit
whats up
sick sentinel
Anyone on thats willing to help out a newbie prot warrior? :-)
This should answer some questions, but ask away regardless
frigid narwhal
In having "in a dimwit" issues with priority and proper mobility usage (proper times to use leap to charge back in, and such). And large pull AoE threat.
sweet summit
^ and some revenge casts
sweet summit
with reprisal you charge on pull as usual, and you can heroic leap out and charge back in for more shield block, rage and a free revenge
heroic leap is cool if you need to create distance between you and a pack quickly
its also nice in like de other side for moving between bosses/trash faster lol
autumn pendant
Also resets taunt when you leap
sweet summit
true
frigid narwhal
Shoot. I forgot about heroic throw.
I didnt know it reset taunt.
tropic linden
overall blocked hits is a bit on the lower side and could be improved a bit, but...
What would be a good block% with reprisal?
80%?
sweet summit
80% is great
frigid narwhal
Thank you for the tips. :-) I'll definitely implent them immediately.
median tulip
One of the key things to learn as any Tank, but especially Protection Warrior, is the timings on the fight so you know when you can safely not be using your Active Mitigation and let charges regen
frigid narwhal
Is there any type of guide that has the timings on all the fights (raid and dungeon) to learn from, or is it just practice and figure it out?
median tulip
Watching videos helps
frigid narwhal
Alright. I saw all the streams. I'll definitely start watching them.
rugged dome
At ilvl 206, heading into tank heroic, do i prefer haste or vers? Looking for survivability
sick sentinel
haste first, vers
rugged dome
ty
urban portal
Hey, i'm 193 iLVL, is 14SD too much for me?
We timed it, but my healer was way o...
its not too much if your healer is overgeared
i got a friend who tanked with prot pally at 197 for 15s
just so we can get our vaults
warm remnant
Shoot. I forgot about heroic throw.
I didnt know it reset taunt.
Heroic leap resets taunt, throw just has a higher threat multiplier.
slim elk
Tauren or Highmountain, based on racials?!
slim elk
Cause Rugged Tenacity looks not so good. I’m 226 ilvl and shows that reduces my damage taken by 18. Oo
And Endurance gives me 1400+ hp.
fathom spindle
Cause Rugged Tenacity looks not so good. I’m 226 ilvl and shows that reduces my ...
Highmountain does get 1% vers though, which further reduces their damage taken.
But in the end the racials won’t make or break anything for you.
I’m a regular orc, even though Prot is my main spec, i do enjoy some Arms PvP at times.
hot pebble
I love orc, got both norm and mag @fathom spindle
high folio
Highmountain does get 1% vers though, which further reduces their damage taken.
...
im an orc prot main too, gang gang
fathom spindle
The Zug Zug gang!
fathom spindle
I know people hate the big fat shoulders.
I for one love that about orcs
high folio
actual same
shoulders imo are like the center pieces of transmogs
like i always build my tmogs around cool ass helmets or shoulders
me rn ik im a full set andy rn lmao but i love this armor
fathom spindle
Exactly, makes it even cooler that you do a kind of a tackle animation when you charge
high folio
it looks like a shoulder check to me
like it seems like i go in and body whoever my target is w a meaty ass shoulder
fathom spindle
Me neither 😂 but since i jump between covs atm, i just use the armors, confuse my guildies
fathom spindle
True, but it feels so lackluster when dumping rage into Condemn in M+ is a DPS loss, and survivility loss.
Feels great on bosses and Pridefuls though
A juicy 17k crit with Ancient Aftershock however 🤤
fathom spindle
Feels great in arena as arms though 😄 12k crits on plate
fathom spindle
Me neither, but was forced in BFA because my BiS Vengeance chest was locked behind PvP, but dreaded playing PvP as Havoc.
Arms is actually quite fun, and mostly it’s RBG’s with the guild.
So it’s raid focus with RBG for fun during off days, ive come to enjoy it tbh.
fathom spindle
Atleast it’s growing on me.
And we might attempt a 3v3 when i go Necro aswell.
Might take this time to try some 2v2
Good luck! 🙂
high folio
this is not going well
fathom spindle
Why don’t you tank then? 😮
high folio
bc i wanna play arms sometimes 😦
fathom spindle
I wish i could, 12 hour shift though, still got 9 hours to go 😂
fathom spindle
Yupp, weekend sucks.
But it’s like a ”super red day” today in Sweden, so pay is decent 🙂
fathom spindle
Sounds way better than being at work 9 AM 😂
But atleast i got coffee for days
high folio
thats fair
if it makes you feel any better my job varies from 8 hour shifts to 16 hours shifts
w v little notice
fathom spindle
Well, we can take comfort in having a job during the crisis i suppose🤷♂️
fathom spindle
Gotcha!
mortal coral
any guide for which reputation tank wants? Scryer or Aldor
tame jasper
If I remember correctly it was Aldor
yeah
Aldor enchant is slightly more avoidaance overall
jagged pier
any guide for which reputation tank wants? Scryer or Aldor
#mop-discussion probs a better place for your questions
carmine prawn
wanna ask, between a vdh and prot warrior, which is the better one to take Frieda's soul spike?
strong forum
Both have to take it and alternate, don't they
Hardly anyone does Frieda last so it'll be hard to find a proper answer
hot pebble
Any advice for DoS dungeon? Seems to be alot of magic dmg
strong forum
Any advice for DoS dungeon? Seems to be alot of magic dmg
Only really the first 2 pulls that are iffy rest should be fine?
First pull is lust + LS then kite , 2nd pull is SW then kite
blazing condor
Gonna try it again cause I still got the key...
for 2nd pack you should SW/kite and you can also use the stairs to LOS the casts. Tell your pugs to interrupt Shadowcore on the deathspeaker cus that's the one that really trucks
median tulip
Hakkar is a hard DPS check on Tyrannical weeks
amber herald
hot pebble
for 2nd pack you should SW/kite and you can also use the stairs to LOS the casts...
Cool thanks man, having some issues maintain aggro while kiting atm thougj
Does shattering throw work on hakkar?
jagged pier
yes
blazing condor
Cool thanks man, having some issues maintain aggro while kiting atm thougj
For aggro you should have time to gain threat during your SW uptime. You can throw in ravager and then spell-reflect/interrupt the shadowcores then just pump for a while. Kite when needed and it should be fine with heroic throws/taunts here and there
if you're kyrian Spear is great in generating threat otherwise just try and open with AA (if fae) or just pump if youre anything else i guess
edgy jay
i just looted a 210 sin stained pendant, that I can upgrade to 220. I currently have a crit / vers 226 neck. Should I switch ? (I have around 650 haste / 20%, it would bring me closer to 5%)
civic holly
anyone have a link to the charts showing the dps increase for every class regarding necrolord banner?
sacred pollen
Talking bout Necrolord, do you guys think the banner legendary in 9.1 will take over reprisal for m+?
sweet summit
no
sacred pollen
not even for like 14s/15s?
sweet summit
if it somehow is better for dps yeah sure, but i dont think so. you cant really keep it rolling that long cos packs just melt in low keys
and it only extends the buff on you
not your teammates
sacred pollen
true, still buffing up entire party every 2 minutes is nice, i got excited for a while
eager crag
and it only extends the buff on you
How long has the max uptime been in PTR? Been hearing 60-70s or so. How much better does that make it for personal DPS in a raid setting?
Also hi guys been lurking here for ages but first time posting
sweet summit
For Prot it's like 40-70 seconds depending on the talents.
we'd have to wait for sims to see if its better for personal dps or not, but i dont think its better than reprisal
and if you want personal dps, youre not playing necrolord to begin with 
eager crag
Yeah of course. I really wanted to like the banner, but it's just not working for me went bk to Fae
sacred pollen
Im really sticking to necrolord in hopes for some buffs, I'm not farming anima for sanctum upgrades on another spec 😄
sweet summit
doubt banner is going to get buffed
hot pebble
How is serrated spaulders in m+ ? I want good reason to try necro cause mog haha
sweet summit
Youd ideally play emeni though
hot pebble
Buffbot i suppose.
civic holly
Ty erga
sweet summit
cold parcel
Heya yall. Compared to dh. How well are prot warriors tanking m+? So far ive tested on normal dungs. And can literally pull half a dung. But wondering how m+ is. Cuz tanking feels more fun than dps. And im 204. What be the max m+ i can pull as 204?
57k health *
cold parcel
Show me proof of dat :D
strong forum
We did 15+ with 200ilvl
jagged pier
pretty sure he did it on stream
strong forum
Also it was nerf not Andy :p
jagged pier
ooh was it
strong forum
9% vers 209 ilvl and he did 24/25s
strong forum
Andy slowly went into baller keys, nerf wanted to test insta
cold parcel
Don't you die fast in a 10+ as 200?
strong forum
No
grand drum
If you dont keep shueld block up, maybe
cold parcel
I also for some reason got so much health. A 204 warr in my +5 had 42k. Im 206 and got 57k. Kul tiran
strong forum
Week1 of SL alot of people, including me, did up to 14/15s week1 with less than 200 ilvl across the entire team