protection

[fringe mural]

That'll be a new screenshot for prot hof

[autumn roost]

@lusty grotto

Crafting pants and got tier shoulders from vault

Should be 288 tonight when I pull lura

[lusty grotto]

good shit

[autumn roost]

Don't look at when I use ignore pain on lura

[fringe mural]

also nice title to fight her

[autumn roost]

Indeed

Actually I was having so much fun playing prot

This is already my highest io character

[ocean valley]

should i go druid or monk

what yall think

[lusty grotto]

go shaman

[ocean valley]

bear it is

[fringe mural]

I'm with nim, if you don't play warrior, play warrior support

go shaman

and help the brothers out with wf

[ocean valley]

man even with supp we be sucking

[fringe mural]

lol

[autumn roost]

When I tanked my pit, the healer said I was the "least spiky prot he's played with" - is prot warrior typically spiky in keys?

[coarse bay]

Bear’s current gameplay

Is something

[ocean valley]

gotta be relying on other classes just to hit the minimum 😭

[coarse bay]

Bad prot warriors are very bad to heal

[ocean valley]

if your health moves at all larias its spiky

[lofty warren]

Current bear domination

[lusty grotto]

lmao

[ocean valley]

on raider io i had to go all the way down to like #400 to find the first warrior when it came to top tanks...

[lament osprey]

Bad prot warriors like back shots

[lusty grotto]

bad prot warriors like to blame the class

and go into skyhold to "bait"

all while being dogshit

[fringe mural]

but that warrior is a really nice player

[undone beacon]

I’m proud of you

Big Pwarr guy

[coarse bay]

That’s just how tanks will be, since tanks are very easy to multiclass and expected at that level

[ocean valley]

cant we just go back to when FBV was like 300%

[autumn roost]

Lmao the first time I turned to charge to gather a new back and just died to getting meleed

Was hilarious

[ocean valley]

then we can survive like monks and guardians

[fringe mural]

if you know how to pull instances and have to play a 2 button spec of course you suddenly rock

[lament osprey]

To real 😂

[autumn roost]

I just macrod everything into shield slam

[ocean valley]

dont turn your back and dont get hit by magic rotting dmg

[lament osprey]

Low key throw axe OP

[ocean valley]

simply dodge the magic rotting dmg

[autumn roost]

I wonder if I could macro thunderclap into shield slam

Just casts whichever is up

[lofty warren]

Think the fact that moon bear has 3 buttons + it being the strongest is the most aggregrious

[autumn roost]

How are you still allowed in class discords

[ocean valley]

well that and it doesnt matter if youre hit in the back, or take magic dmg

you just heal it all up

[lofty warren]

Bear cant parry (or maybe its dodge) when hit in the back dont remember which but I think its at least 1?

[plush tendon]

its dodge

[ocean valley]

its chump change to em

[fringe mural]

it's not nearly as dangerous to them as it for us

What they lose is 20% dodge, what we lose is 40-80% dr when getting hit in the back

Or more even with parry considered

[coarse bay]

While current bear is kind of an outlier, lets not pretend that tanks are rotationally difficult

[fringe mural]

the difficulty comes in maintaining it while doing the other shit

imo

[ocean valley]

i honestly think if they just buffed FBV again and gave colossus more of ST dmg, we could actually feel a lil competitive against monks and bears. still not overcome them but at least not looked down like a pile of dogshit on the sidewalk

[coarse bay]

I dont think warriors are that behind anyways

Just nobody’s pushing it

[fringe mural]

of course nobody is when you can just roll through with a druid lol

[ocean valley]

nobodys pushing it because its defensives and dmg isnt nearly as good, how you gonna be shitter than both

[fringe mural]

but i will always play warrior as my main

[crisp ocean]

all tanks are buffed

VDH is rly fun

[coarse bay]

It’s probably 1-2 keys behind top keys, which isnt abnormal

[fringe mural]

i just love the class no matter if meta or not

[ocean valley]

like how you gonna make both aspects better on tanks than others

[lofty warren]

Right now I'd agree (even though I've only did pwar bear and brew in midnight). In tww brew and bdk were wild with all those keybinds only to do worse than vdh demon vomit and pwar aoe stomp

[ocean valley]

instead of one or hte other

[crisp ocean]

all tanks are good

[crisp ocean]

cuz they don’t get invited probably

[fringe mural]

I am not at a level where meta matters to me

[crisp ocean]

and teams want meta tanks

[coarse bay]

Because the top tanks will play the meta

It isnt about getting invited

[crisp ocean]

true ye

[coarse bay]

It’s so easy to reroll and multiclass

[crisp ocean]

people rerolled to brew when it was #1 then to guardian

[fringe mural]

why wouldn't they play the meta if gearing is that easy

[coarse bay]

And not that many of the top tanks actually have a preference towards warrior, theyll only play it when meta

[lofty warren]

Think problem atm is that pwar dps is like 50- 80k less than bear. Thats more than 1 key imo that's like 4-5

[ocean valley]

ya but the pain is rerolling where u gotta gear it out and grind a bunch again

and is it your playstyle? most people just like the class theyre playing just the balance is horrendous

[crisp ocean]

i geared 8 characters in like 1-2 weeks lol

[coarse bay]

No tank is 4-5 key levels behind

[crisp ocean]

solo

[ocean valley]

damn dude no job or family?

[coarse bay]

Idc what aggregate log stats you show, warrior is at most 1-2 key levels behind

[crisp ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/thegoon-bigoldgoon-ted-lasso-yes-yes-yes-yes-gif-701975896996955852

[ocean valley]

eh warrior is like 2-3 keys behind

[fringe mural]

ah the good old no-lifer

[harsh cypress]

[ocean valley]

depending on dng

[lusty grotto]

did you come here so you would have emotional approval, @ocean valley?

here you go

https://klipy.com/gifs/there-there-16--k01KS0T8P1MC1AHW90JP449AG02

[ocean valley]

nah just want to raise voices

[lusty grotto]

well thats too bad

[ocean valley]

idk why anyone is happy with the current state where a tank is better in both dmg and defense

[lusty grotto]

because the problem isnt the class

its the dungeon design

[ocean valley]

https://tenor.com/view/heh-huh-what-gif-27102828

[lusty grotto]

🤷‍♂️

[lofty warren]

Top pwar in AA doing 100k dps top bears at 140k. In MT 150k vs 115k. I can keep doing but you get the idea.

[coarse bay]

Your comparisons arent even equal anyways

[ocean valley]

could always be bigger pulls cause theyr emore tanky pepega

[coarse bay]

You compare different key levels, comps, routes

It will be different

[lofty warren]

Ur right. Bear is doing higher lvl keys which are harder and still doing that much more dps

[coarse bay]

[crisp ocean]

that’s how the game is

[ocean valley]

because we let blizz do whatever shitty idea they have

[coarse bay]

I am certain that if those top tanks wanted to push warrior, theyd make your statements look stupid

[crisp ocean]

every season they pick a tank who’s better than the other classes

[ocean valley]

swear to god a intern could balance better

[lusty grotto]

well if youre looking to make us close skyhold, that aint gonna happen you might have better luck on HoW though

good luck!

[crisp ocean]

this is the best class discord channel

[coarse bay]

The tank balancing isnt as bad as the stats make it look

[crisp ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-nice-grafic-gif-13206845596055018221

[coarse bay]

It is literally just the fact that multiclassing and alts is easier than ever

[lofty warren]

I would generally agree if they hard pushed pwar but still dont think pwar would be doing less dps than these top logs. At a certain point your number not go up anymore

[coarse bay]

And dps isnt everything

[ocean valley]

just buff FBV, ill be fine with that. even tho i still wont hold a candle to their dmg, least the defense will be close to matched

[coarse bay]

Pwar can most likely live the same key levels

Just need different routing

[lusty grotto]

how about no

[ocean valley]

ya, its called smaller pulls so less dmg

[coarse bay]

No, its different routing

It isnt new that different tanks and comps need different routes

[ocean valley]

ah so warrior should be 0 key lvl difference

[crisp ocean]

every tank has its moment

[ocean valley]

theyre just doing the right route cause theyre idiots

https://tenor.com/view/lil-yachty-drake-oprahs-bank-account-meme-laptop-gif-20803826

[lofty warren]

Looool

[plush tendon]

cause this cycle has been a thing for literally years; its also a issue just in high end M+

[ivory barn]

https://tenor.com/view/ouch-gif-12136515515962044163

[coarse bay]

Maybe? There’s better comps to use, it isnt even just a pwar thing. Meta also has to take into account the rest of the game’s balancing

The current meta doesnt see much benefit in shout buff

[lusty grotto]

of all the things they could do he says FbV LMAO

at this point you gotta think blizzard "interns" do a better job at balancing

[ocean valley]

cause all id like to is a little more self sustain

[coarse bay]

Not all tanks need to self heal

[ocean valley]

so whats your fix for rot dmg?

or just general defense survival?

[lusty grotto]

are battleaxes rot damage?

yes or no question

[ivory barn]

Battle Axe require kite

[ocean valley]

or just cc, but thats not the point

[lusty grotto]

you didnt answer the question

[ocean valley]

you didnt answer mine

[coarse bay]

Are tanks dying to rot?

[lusty grotto]

you didnt have a question

oh nice edit

[ocean valley]

there, guess i had to grammar it for ya

didnt realize this was slow town

[lofty warren]

In skyreach bear only does 120k compared to pwar 100k (at 2 levels higher) which is a smaller gap than 40k in AA

[lusty grotto]

what rot damage are you dying to? the kind that can be outplayed?

[ocean valley]

i wonder if bear has to kite

[plush tendon]

Pepega the type of guy to see a fire and throw gasoline on it

[coarse bay]

Rot dmg isnt a problem for tanks usually

[lusty grotto]

can you give examples of this "rot damage"?

[ocean valley]

i like how youre going so in depth into this like you dont know what im talking about

[lusty grotto]

and can you answer my question: are battleaxes rot damage?

[lofty warren]

I woild say they are noy

But they do hurt

[ocean valley]

depends on what you classify as rot, any dot or bleed?

[lusty grotto]

i didnt ask you

its a yes or no question

are they or are they not

[coarse bay]

Is needing to kite something that defines a stronger tank btw? There have been times that meta tanks need to kite to survive

[lusty grotto]

are battleaxes rot damage

yes or no

[ocean valley]

if you have to kite you dont do as much dmg

[lofty warren]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-elmo-whahahah-gif-17878947247523768071

[ocean valley]

im done talking to you nimchip, this conversation going nowhere since you dont seem to grasp the plot

[lusty grotto]

with the amount of dodging going on with this guy id say he def cannot play a prot warrior

[ocean valley]

i just dont care to argue with a dumbass

[lusty grotto]

stick to brew or bear

[coarse bay]

People are convinced that bear is 5x stronger than every other tank

[lusty grotto]

its a yes or no question darling, its pretty easy

[ocean valley]

no

[lusty grotto]

if you do not understand whats currently "wrong", we have no business with you

it aint "rot damage"

[lofty warren]

I wouldn't mind if blizz gave back spell block + buffed aoe stomp damage by 300% (for aoe threat issues just like bear)

[ocean valley]

then tell me whats wrong and how you would fix it

ill be waiting

[lusty grotto]

blizz fixes dungeon design

thats it

when have we EVER needed self sustain

[ocean valley]

are you srs

[lusty grotto]

did we need self sustain in BFA when we were meta for basically the entire expansion?

[plush tendon]

this convo aint going anywhere

[lusty grotto]

did we need self sustain TWW S4?

[ocean valley]

tell me about it

[lusty grotto]

"are you srs"

hey i gave you my answer

is it not dungeon design? list your points here

[plush tendon]

listen, if you want us to get riled up about current tank balance, it aint gonna happen. Personally, I think Prot War is in fine spot, but there are just better options for pushing M+

[undone beacon]

I want the opinion of the #1 parsing 230 pwarr in the world personally

[ocean valley]

i think theyre in a fine spot for raids

[plush tendon]

well see how things change over this expansion, but all things considered, Prot War is solid

[undone beacon]

That guy prob has an ideal take

[ocean valley]

#400 actually

[lofty warren]

Not 5x but they do about 140% of the damage that pwar does plus it gives buff that benefits everyone plus its super high value skill floor.

[coarse bay]

No offense, but i dont think youre playing at the level where pwar falls behind bear. Neither do i

[undone beacon]

Not talking about you

[lament osprey]

Idk usually just a healer dif in mythic plus for healing

[ocean valley]

i didnt say it was me? im saying the guy youre talking about is now 400. are you that dumb?

[undone beacon]

wow this guy is awesome

[coarse bay]

You didnt read the message correctly

[plush tendon]

also, blatant hostility in this channel is not appreciated; we are more zug zug here with happy vibes

[lofty warren]

Well no but even getting invites to +17s is night and day on pwar and brew

[plush tendon]

[lusty grotto]

hes just baiting, like i mentioned here #protection message

i could smell it a mile away

[coarse bay]

You have the option to run your own keys. Idk if you know this but even meta specs and tanks have trouble getting into high keys

[lament osprey]

There are a lot of bad prot warriors for sure

[ivory barn]

I got declined from a 14 and moments later watched a brew get invited

[plush tendon]

if you want to improve as a Prot War this is the place, otherwise, general complaining about tank balance in high end M+ is just soooo boring of a convo

[lusty grotto]

0 good points, doesnt have a core definition of what hes crying about, immediately goes into ad-hominem attacks lmao

[plush tendon]

reddit is a better place for that

[lament osprey]

I got declined to a 19 AA

[ocean valley]

it aint even about high end keys, its about balancing in general. meta just refindes the rest of the game. even down to the low lvl shit. if yall really can look at a meta where one class does defense, dmg, utility, and mobility better than another and think thats ok

[undone beacon]

Dude feels the need to be an asshole about a joke he has no context for not even directed at him

This guy is a munch, fr

[coarse bay]

If u think warrior is that behind in keys below the highest level

Then skill issue

[lusty grotto]

you have no argument, sorry

[plush tendon]

Actually, low key meta is a good convo

I still think Prot Pal is S tier for weekly keys

[lusty grotto]

to reddit with you

[plush tendon]

[lusty grotto]

or the wow forums i guess

[coarse bay]

Ive been thinking about doing some

[plush tendon]

it feels good! been running a bunch of nexus point keys on my Prot Pal alt

[ocean valley]

you would bring up reddit, god youre such a soyboy

[plush tendon]

the buffs for sure help

[ivory barn]

"pull entire dungeon to first boss"

[lofty warren]

I mean i dont necessarily disagree with kon that at least right now the tank balance feels like there are have an have nots with pwar being the have nots. Its not horrible but id say about 20%-40% worse that the "optimal tanks"

[lusty grotto]

keep em coming, i love it

[coarse bay]

That’s extremely overblown

[lofty warren]

Even ignoring all defensiveness and just look at damage

[ivory barn]

Nimchip helped me get a rank 4 parse, what are you complaining about

[coarse bay]

You and your damage

Lets look at the dps balance then

[plush tendon]

bro, Avenger Shield is goated for weeklies

no cap

[ocean valley]

i wouldnt try to use logic with these people, the blizz glucking is insane

[coarse bay]

There’s no blizz glaze

They suck

[lusty grotto]

the guy is agreeing with pepega of all people

[vocal lintel]

I think Blood DK is king of low keys, prot pala is close. No healer for tank needed ,ability to solo stuff down and grips for bdk vs buffs and party healing for pala.

[ivory barn]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-america-shield-throw-explosion-movie-gif-24359988

[undone beacon]

Joins class discord
Whines incessantly
Gets mad when people dont suck him off for his opinions
???
Profit

[ocean valley]

then be more upset they let a class be better than you at everything

[plush tendon]

issue with blood is still super awkward to pull mobs

[coarse bay]

Balancing could be better, yes, but warrior isnt as bad as youre trying to make it sound

[plush tendon]

shield is sooo nice

[coarse bay]

I think you dont like warrior, maybe it isnt for you

[ocean valley]

i dont think its bad

[undone beacon]

Do you not have anything else to do with your day, go play another game if you're not happy with the state of it

[ocean valley]

im just stating AGAIN like the billionth time

it pales in comparsion to another tank

[plush tendon]

yea, we know

[coarse bay]

It doesnt pale in comparison

[undone beacon]

Okay? Go play that tank then. What is whining here doing about it

[lofty warren]

Yes let's look. What you see? Bear > brew > unknown > 💩 > pwar

[undone beacon]

You think we don't know that there is a meta tank?

Are you that dumb?

[coarse bay]

I meant dps specs

[jagged pier]

like literally this

if u care so much

play the other tank

[undone beacon]

We like pwarr so we play it, simple as

[lusty grotto]

its funny how whenever we're not meta its "we dont have utility! we dont have self sustain!", but then a meta season comes around and apparently those points are moot

[ocean valley]

a meta tank is only meant ot be the best tank, not best at everything. thats what you all fail to realize. and you sit here happy about it

[undone beacon]

Whining in discord doesnt do shit

[ocean valley]

bunch of trolls fr

[lofty warren]

Ohh yea im sure there's a bigger gap between unholy dk and whatever the worst dps is

[undone beacon]

[jagged pier]

its always the same

[lusty grotto]

always

[jagged pier]

ppl said we had utility last time we were meta

we have more than last time

[lusty grotto]

"buff FbV" LMAOOOOOOOO i cant

[jagged pier]

and other tanks have the same

[undone beacon]

If we're not beating every other tank by a country mile we're fucking TRASH

But if we're meta, we're literally perfect

Simple as

[jagged pier]

literally all i care about is does my class play weel

[lofty warren]

Im dumb, what is fbv

[jagged pier]

it does

[lusty grotto]

fueled by violence pepega

[jagged pier]

so theres nothing to complain about

i dont have a problem getting into groups

[ocean valley]

i actually hate when were the best while other tanks suffer, cause again. it all leads back to a balancing issue

[jagged pier]

if u care so much about pushing find a group

[ocean valley]

20 yrs in now and we still have such dumb shit

[vital stirrup]

so when is the game good then?

[lofty warren]

Why buff self healing rend thing

[undone beacon]

Its almost like an MMORPG with 13 classes and like 70 specs is going to be impossible to make perfectly evenly balanced and you should go back to minecraft or something

[ocean valley]

its rly no wonder the game industry is a pile of shit if this is the general consesus these days. happy with garbage

[coarse bay]

The differences between all of the tanks has been fairly small in recent time. Balance has been much better than in the past

[jagged pier]

literally no tanks are suffering right now

[lament osprey]

Just skill issue now

[coarse bay]

Youre looking at the absolute top level of play to make your judgement

[lament osprey]

The 0.1% to be exact

[jagged pier]

look at all the paladins complaining that u cant play crit wings, yet yoda was playing crit wings in 20s

so is crit wings bad or ppl bad?

or is m+ about group play more than any class or talent setup

[coarse bay]

Yoda literally sold 21s on ppal, the carry doing 50k dps less than hopeful

[wary gyro]

theres always going to be a "best" of any role the only way for there not to be is for every spec to play exactly the same, most of the idea of the gap comes from community perception rather than what the spec is actually capable of

[undone beacon]

And the community we have is Kon

[lofty warren]

Would it be fair to say that yoda is a savante and sometimes savantes can get away with things that us mere mortals cant?

[undone beacon]

Instead of just playing they game they whine in discord and on forums

[coarse bay]

I think all of the top tanks can make all the tanks work

[undone beacon]

Or playing literally any other game

You dont have to support blizz and pay for a sub if you arent happy with it

[jagged pier]

☝️

[lament osprey]

Kiratank was doing 19s last month I think on prot warrior

Before buffs

And boosting ilvl

[coarse bay]

It’s simply that nobody’s playing it

[jagged pier]

sense 1 shot most of the keys on 20s before buffs

[lofty warren]

Agree. Its not just him its a set of the biggest Brian ppl

[lament osprey]

Hmmm, all evidence

[toxic pewter]

LOL

[plush tendon]

ya know, with the ease of gearing, it prob contributes to the fact there is such a imbalance

its soo easy to have a 'raid toon; and a 'M+' toon

[coarse bay]

^

[lament osprey]

Man, the ability to hard swap to a toon is crazy now though

[plush tendon]

like, there is almost no reason to not swap

but, back when it was harder, youd didnt have that option

[coarse bay]

Exactly

[plush tendon]

could take weeks to get a new character up and running

[lofty warren]

I like how easy it is to swap

[plush tendon]

I do as well

[coarse bay]

And all of the numbers you point at is a side effect of it

[ivory barn]

You could get 11/14 mythic this week in loot on a character without trying

[coarse bay]

It’s good, yes, but expect extreme imbalances at the top end

[lofty warren]

Agree. If it was harder to swap those that invested in pwar would be more likely to try to make it work

[plush tendon]

I think I posted a pic yesterday; a guildie capped a new shadow priest and got to 272 with 5 hours played

[lusty grotto]

i mean larias

[plush tendon]

thats crazy

[lusty grotto]

got turbo geared on his prot war

he has posted it a few times

his prot warrior has more ilvl than my main

[lament osprey]

The numbers are you can only craft two items and mythic upgrade all

[plush tendon]

so for people who are very invested in pushing score, especially a role like tank where its kind of expected that you can play them all, there is really no reason to not have a bear or monk

[dusky canopy]

He did level 80 - 90 and also hit 287 ilvl in like 2 days lmao

[lusty grotto]

well to be fair, nimchipadin also got higher ilvl last week than my warrior

[lament osprey]

But now with crest cap gone. No need to worry

[plush tendon]

yea, my DK is finally ahead of my war

[lament osprey]

Bro I hate that my alt is higher then main, lol

[plush tendon]

though thats mostly cause I had to get voidcore things last week

[lament osprey]

First world problems out here

[lusty grotto]

lol

[lofty warren]

Guess when bear got 300% buff to thrash so they could hold aoe threat better?

[coarse bay]

I stopped raiding when my mage was like 281, my pally passed it the same week. This was like a month ago or something

It’s the whole season

[plush tendon]

whats interesting about that, is just how fast the swap happened

literally overnight

people were on bears

remember when Prot Pal had their big rework in DF? It took a couple of weeks for the meta to shift off Prot War to Prot Pal

This swap is instant

[coarse bay]

Ive heard about some teams having healer and tanks swap roles since they were already geared

[lusty grotto]

yeah that basically happened

[plush tendon]

yea, my friends team was debating doing that XD

[lusty grotto]

rdruid into bear, brew into MW

[plush tendon]

but they decided to just gear new toons

[coarse bay]

Ya better long term

Still more power coming anyways

So the push isnt over

[plush tendon]

they were annoyed with the meta shift and complained that they had to swap

but, if gearing were harder, the swap would be much less attractive and I forsure think that less groups would have done it

[coarse bay]

It’s def odd that there was a shift this late into season but tbh it added a lot more comp variation

[lofty warren]

Here is all of sl s3

Blood moving by 3-5% each week

[plush tendon]

right? it took time to get meta toons ready

now its like 'bear buffed, everyone swap by EoD'

[ivory barn]

Tanks in guild were like "if they nerf me we stop raiding" lol

[plush tendon]

tbh, there was a little concern with bear when they nerfed their ST

[coarse bay]

I think bear was a little special due to it being used for raid and also having had potential early on. So i think a lot of people had them at least partially ready

[plush tendon]

since it was a 'cheat code' for Myth Belo pre nerf

[plush tendon]

this season bear has been in a weird spot for raid. Its good caues of its damage, but there is nothing in its kit that actually makes a boss easier beyond just raw dps

[lofty warren]

Even before the tuning there were some bears doing 1 key below brew as dotc

[plush tendon]

like BDK damage is piss, but its prob the best tank on Lura prog

for most groups

or Prot War on Myth Paladins

[coarse bay]

Plus there’s no way anybody needs the damage from tanks at this point

[plush tendon]

naw, not for any of the fights

the only fights that needed the dam were pre nerf Belo and maybe RWF Lura

but liquid to make that work had to play OUT OF THEIR MIND in p1

like, the coordination for grouping that 3rd set of P1 adds with no bdk

insane work

[coarse bay]

Didnt someone mention max saying that they only did bear for leeway incase of a death?

Like they didnt actually need the dmg or something

[plush tendon]

idk, but I do know that damage checks on RWF was quite tight

[coarse bay]

The belo damage was crazy though

[lusty grotto]

well it was also because of the apex reset thing

[plush tendon]

oh 100%

[lofty warren]

Bear damage on egg was out doing other dps on egg i believe

[plush tendon]

it was legit nuts

but thats all bear brings to raid

and brew is actually kind of useless in Mythic Raid

not even all that tanky

Prot War is much tankier on raid bosses (unironically prob the tankiest)

[coarse bay]

It was just below the monks and shamans afaik

But ya not intended

[lofty warren]

Bear bring buff, brez, tankiness, big damage. What else could you want tank to do?

[plush tendon]

death grip

[coarse bay]

If rdruid was stronger than mw u wouldnt be seeing bears rn btw

[plush tendon]

How to pick a raid tank 101: Do you need grips? If yes, BDK is BiS. Do you need a raid buff? If yes, play the tank with raid buff

[ivory barn]

[coarse bay]

Mage at the bottom

Dead class

[plush tendon]

a little sadge tbh

I think Frost is super cool

[coarse bay]

Overpruned mage

Yet didnt touch some tanky specs

[plush tendon]

someone has to do something about the evokers

literal getting carried to top IO

[ivory barn]

https://tenor.com/view/goatplaybanjo-bird-explosion-burst-pas-moi-gif-3871740515834623393

[lofty warren]

Paladin top but there's also a bigger pool of them

[coarse bay]

Funny how the took aug out back for a couple of seasons

[plush tendon]

Paladin is really good in this dungeon pool

for solving the problems presented

[coarse bay]

And theyre back to actually just being the best spec

[coarse bay]

Ya ret is actually super good

[plush tendon]

its a S tier class for me for weekly keys

[coarse bay]

But the comp needed is a bit different

[plush tendon]

super easy, durable, can play at range, great util

not super CD relient/frequent access to damage

whats not to like?

[coarse bay]

The people that play ret

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-paladin-ashbringer-gif-26124961

[lofty warren]

How is the current dungeon design bad for pwars now and tww s3 was good? Imo except for nexus dungeon design is much smaller than "pwar not do good damage"

[ivory barn]

Is there a cheat sheet on what dungeon to swap fttf for?

[plush tendon]

none that I know of

[lofty warren]

Use fttf on AA is the only one I know for sure

[plush tendon]

kind of a good question as there were for sure some big pain points in the dungeons in TWW that made life a bit miserable for warrior

I just dont have enough experience doing high enough keys with this dungeon set

[hazy crest]

The worst part about playing warrior is that paladins exist.

[plush tendon]

but I also dont think Prot War was that far ahead of the field in S3 of War Within

Prot Pal and Brew were for sure good in their own right

[coarse bay]

Ppal and brew were both competitive last season, warrior buff was good in the comp

Warrior damage plus buff brought a ton of dmg

[jagged gust]

Everything is good, some are gooder

4 legs good, 2 legs better

[coarse bay]

Tbh even bear was good last season

[coarse bay]

But things like the db debuff were very painful for them

Last season had very good tank tuning

[tribal wharf]

me in 2004/5 wow

except dwarf

[lofty warren]

Whats db debuf

[plush tendon]

Dawnbreaker debuff?

I assume after 1st boss

[lofty warren]

1st boss was nerfed bigly in s1 if I recall? That one dungeon with the priests for 2 seasons in a row was cruel and unusual punishment

[coarse bay]

The stacking debuff

From the trash

[ivory barn]

Wonder what S2 dungeon pool will be

[plush tendon]

I thought they might be decent at it

since they could ursols to reset

[coarse bay]

Idk i heard db was a pain point for bear

My friends have a russian bear friend

[undone beacon]

The healing debuff stacked up super fast in DB and even once you got it down, it would stack up fast and ruin your day

Lot of magic damage too, which Ironfur didnt do much to help with

[coarse bay]

Ya i remember on my bear id look and be 99 stacks super quick

But im a casual

[undone beacon]

Bear was giga for weekly keys last season

The damage was mid but it was so brain-off

Back in the Thorns of Iron days

[ivory barn]

Buddy died on a pull them was like, pull the whole fucking room I'm not dead now

[undone beacon]

Blizz music team boutta really pop off

[coarse bay]

https://tenor.com/view/johnny-cash-ring-of-fire-gif-19768519

[undone beacon]

Through some horrific pattern matching and word association I associate Johnny Cash with Aint no rest for the wicked by Cage the Elephant

Everytime I see his name I just hear the opening to that song

[torn gulch]

what a classic

That video is an incredible representation of how ret players see themselves

Should be pinned on the ret paladin discord

[opal lodge]

yo if anyone can answer me this question would be great 🙂
haste 28% unbuffed(1100)
vers 5% unbuffed(282)

should i be using ver flask or haste ?

or that little vers doesnt matter

[undone beacon]

Haste

Just default to haste

[opal lodge]

easy

ty

[ivory barn]

When in doubt, haste it out

[opal ledge]

i was not expecting a haste helm in my vault...
this means i can go 1200 haste without the voidclaw gloves

how many ilvl a socket worth?

[coarse bay]

Idk thatd be a sim thing

Its like 0.7% uppy for some dps specs but im sure it varies

Not worth ilvl though

Its a bonus, same with tert

[robust moon]

Question for you guys, I have both Heart of Ancient Hunger and Gaze of the Alnseer trinkets as 6/6 Hero. I will never Mythic raid because I just want to push high keys. Are those trinkets still BiS as Hero or are some Myth dungeon trinkets better?

[lusty grotto]

"bis" lists are always myth track

but they are not set in stone

they are just required for guides on websites such as icy veins (the one we support) or wowhead

you always want to sim

[robust moon]

Do I sim for damage since they are dps trinket?

[lusty grotto]

yes, like all tanks do

[robust moon]

Alright

[lusty grotto]

they are not strictly dps trinkets

heart has crit, gaze has strength

all of our secondaries and our primary stat have defensive value

the only way to get a sense of how much youre gaining is to sim

if you gain dps due to them, it means you gain defensiveness as well

[robust moon]

Thanks

[ivory barn]

Time to triple roll WRS and be sad

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5X7mdMNJKsB1Sz9RvhEonv this game wants me to roll pits

[undone beacon]

Yo what the flip IV had a big ol CSS overhaul

@ionic fern When did they do that

[ivory barn]

O.o thats a nice looking site

[coarse bay]

Did they make us S tier

[lusty grotto]

we're all S tier

in my heart

[daring marlin]

correct

[lusty grotto]

[unkempt pebble]

S tier Nim

[cold pilot]

If I have myth heart of ancient hunger and hero plume, do I need to worry about Gaze?

I'm simming now but I figured I'd ask 😄

[ivory barn]

fps? stonks.
looks? trash af

[coarse bay]

Gaze is probably better than plume in that scenario, but ya trust sim

Assuming myth gaze

[undone beacon]

Is that a boys pfp

Wildin

I was gonna watch the new season but it seems the reviews place it as pretty middling

[opal ledge]

why i cant simulate the darkmoon trinkets

[urban bane]

goin out with a whimper unforch

[undone beacon]

They count as an embel

[unkempt pebble]

I still use champion gaze

[opal ledge]

i'm with a single embleshiment equiped and it dont let me sim a single trinket

[unkempt pebble]

Sims better than most trinkets

[opal ledge]

i want get max ilvl possible, helps with invite, so i will craft one trinket to replace a hero heart of hunger, but can simulate which darkmoon is better

[undone beacon]

Hover over the little warning icon and see what it says

[daring marlin]

fuck yall S5 is still better than 4

4 was the worst season

[coarse bay]

Max out currencies at the top if u dont have enough

[final jackal]

do we open vault as prot or fury/arms?

[lusty grotto]

no reason to open as dps

you get all good trinkets as tank

if you have myth 1h and myth shield, you can opt to go dps to just remove those from the pool

[ivory barn]

guess its time to try a dungeon

[opal ledge]

ty it worked

[tribal wharf]

some day

[ivory barn]

10-15k increase.... all I fucking did was mentally be in the mob

12 Pit

[lusty grotto]

this is a retail channel

in case you mean wrath classic or something

[modern patio]

Oh yea sorry i just got into the server. Will delete and write it in general

[lusty grotto]

you can check in #mop-discussion or #vanilla-discussion

if you want

maybe they'll be able to help you out there

[modern patio]

Aight thanks

[lusty grotto]

i could but im a vanilla player so im not up to date on the classic version

stack armor pen i guess? 🙂

def capped for trial of the crusader or something?

is the unblockable set still a thing

[modern patio]

Yea i've seen some people do that. Maybe i'll try it out

[lusty grotto]

its been a hot minute for me

[modern patio]

No still at Naxx, EoE, OS (playing on a private server)

[lusty grotto]

i see

[ivory barn]

blizzard and the lovely random DCes

[ivory barn]

whats teh best 2 trinkets to Myth track in M+?

[coarse bay]

heart of wind and the solar whatever from skyreach? maybe?

probably sim it

idk heart and gaze are fairly puggable

[ivory barn]

gaze would be nice

[proud marlin]

Looking to dip into some mythic+ as prot, are there any essential add ons I should look at getting? Like is there an add on for good routes?

[lusty grotto]

if youre just starting, just use the guidance thing

MDT is the tool for routes, but youre gonna have to look for them, i recommend the raider.io weekly routes and keystone.guru

i wouldn't worry about routing early keys though, just press W and use soridormi's guidance

its more than enough

[oak ivy]

i got fed up with having a garbage ass fury parse on dragons, had to employ the mythical 4 tank strat

[ocean heath]

am I supposed to get scared when my HP is dropping and IP is instantly popped?

[lusty grotto]

do you have SB up?

[ocean heath]

yea

[lusty grotto]

IP instantly popping doesnt mean much

[ocean heath]

i feel naked without it lol

[sleek forge]

is 285 crafted shield with embellishment better than a 289 shield

[lusty grotto]

have you looked at my wall of text on how to use IP

cause you should feel naked (or bare ass if youre taking back hits) if SB is down only

IP being down is 🤷‍♂️

[lusty grotto]

fuck no

but sims could have told you that

just recraft the embelishment on another piece

shield is always ilvl > all

you dont get block value anywhere else

[ocean heath]

how do you tell if you suck or if it's the dps or healer? sometimes it's like I'm fighting for my life on a relatively normal pull and then other times it's cake on big pulls with other groups

[lusty grotto]

logs

if youre inexperienced

otherwise its easy to tell for me

[ocean heath]

Like I use shield wall, but thats only 8 seconds x 2 on a pull that could last a minute+

[lusty grotto]

either way logs are good proof

cant really work on hypotheticals, we need logs

or with with, i should say

[ocean heath]

but you shouldnt need shield wall to survive throughout a whole pull right?

[lusty grotto]

it depends on a lot of variables

again, logs and we can tell you

and also there's 0 reason why you should hold a wall

considering AM

[ocean heath]

yea i use it as much as possible, but sometimes it seems like Im getting my ass beat when it falls off

[lusty grotto]

link a log

and make sure youre using IP correctly #protection message

[ocean heath]

well i guess I gotta figure how to log lol

[unkempt pebble]

Check what really does damage in those pulls

[lusty grotto]

you can look up your character in warcraftlogs.com

and see if there's a log associated with the leaderboard entry

[unkempt pebble]

Dont be afraid to use defensive stance

[lusty grotto]

wdym dont be afraid

[oak ivy]

bro

[lusty grotto]

he SHOULD be in defensive stance

the only reason you're not in defensive stance is for raid parsing when not actively tanking OR if youre doing baby/vault keys just for shits and iggles

this has been the case since TWW

theres 0 reason to be in battle stance otherwise

[vale escarp]

If I got myth Shild and Weapon it's fine opening vault as Arms to get some offspec weapon?

[lusty grotto]

sure

[lusty grotto]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/how-to-use-warcraft-logs-6341

there's plenty of other guides around

[unkempt pebble]

Some really small pulls/ bosses that just do physical damage usually i swap to battle stance

[lusty grotto]

but look up your character first, so we can go off of that

[lusty grotto]

thats on you

its a very small optimization that just is not worth it

the recommendation should never be "you should not be afraid to use defensive stance"

battle stance is not our neutral stance

this aint DF

[unkempt pebble]

Yea, the reason i said dont be afraid is, its the defensive tool that most new tanks often overlook its defensive value

[lusty grotto]

what???

bro, you log in and you're basically in dstance

just dont say things like "Dont be afraid to use defensive stance"

thats it

[unkempt pebble]

Fair

My bad

[lusty grotto]

youre good

[undone beacon]

Be afraid to use defensive stance

Be very afraid

Everytime you turn it on it sends your data to Big Defensives

[opal ledge]

how hard it is chimerus mythic with pugs only?

[undone beacon]

It’s doable

Depends heavily on the group you get

[opal ledge]

i hate that raid trinkets are overtuned

[ocean heath]

hmm just realized now that piercing howl gives you speed boost

now do you hold SB charges while a boss is in a casting phase or still use it for more shield slam damage

[lusty grotto]

are you talking about raids?

[ocean heath]

dungeon

[lusty grotto]

are you playing into the fray?

take a look at the pins

you shouldn't be playing it if you dont have the required haste

and furthermore, the standard build in icyveins has Heavy Rep, not ITF

[ivory barn]

I'm in the same wonder trying to decide if I do a mythic chimmy pug

[ocean heath]

hmm ill have to look

[lusty grotto]

3rd pinned message

and make sure youre using the icy veins talents

[glacial ridge]

Ive been trying to get into a group, i know the fight, but I only tank on warrior so finding a spot has been hard (especially that I play in OCE so if it isnt OCE or LA, the lag is def noticeable)

[undone beacon]

It’s very doable in a pug, but you gotta be willing to put some time into it and get a group that can handle the mechanics

[tacit smelt]

Can someone refresh my memory here regarding boss roll interact. If i get the myth item from vault is the item still going to be on the bonus roll loot table for the dungeon?

[undone beacon]

It is still on the table, yes

The only way to pull an item off the loot table is to roll it

[wooden spruce]

Made a similar rant on the ppally and dk discord but i also want your take here

seems i need to change or start ignoring my pushing team

they now want me to go bear, stop playing ppally anyomore because "noone is using them on MDI so they are crap spec" and not use pwarr/bdk after 15s because its also not used on MDI and only appeared on one key

and now they are straight up ignoring me for 15s/16s

i only wanna go up to 16s

[undone beacon]

Not to be an ass, but if you only want to go up to 16s it seems your goals are misaligned as is

Unless everyone else wants to stop at 16 too

If you want to play ppal and not swap for the comp, that’s totally fine. But they’re also not obligated to have you tank for them any more than you’re obligated to

[wooden spruce]

the goal was for everyone to do 16s and thats it but this season they became meta elitist

and this people are my friends irl

[undone beacon]

That shit happens, it sucks for sure

But if they’ve caught the M+ push bug and now want to go farther, then the goals are misaligned. Not saying that ppal cant go farther, especially in a dedicated group with comms

The “no one is using them in MDI so they are crap” line of rationale is very dumb tho

Like, very silly rationale. I’d be pissed about it too

At the end of the day they don’t pay your sub so they can’t tell you what to play. It sucks that they’re irl friends being dicks about a game, but at the end of the day it’s a game and I’d advise you to try and not let it ruin real friendships

[wooden spruce]

im maining bdk, ppally i know is having issues but meh, they even ignored when they asked for dps, thats what pissed me off

one of them has done 18s and i've not asked him to joim because its what he wanna do

[lofty glen]

i have myth hands and hero head..... do i take the rare hands from seat?

hed has leech too

[undone beacon]

Technically seat gloves are farmable with rolls, and if I had to guess… myth helm will probably outsim on stat budget from hero to myth

But always worth a quick sin

[undone beacon]

Yeah, keeping goals aligned is tough. People play at their own pace. Sucks that you’re getting stonewalled though, that’s rude of them

[sharp rover]

I cannot emphasise enough how pathetically small-dicked it is to gatekeep over meta in a +15 key

[wooden spruce]

i think i'll take a break from tanking with them, and from doing higher keys after 12s, need a break

[sharp rover]

I can't even imagine IRL friends ignoring my messages like that. I'd have to ask if they're even really "friends"

[wooden spruce]

yeh, hey at least today i pass all my midterms haha

[undone beacon]

Frick yeah

[undone beacon]

Hey +15 is big money gaming for some

Don’t burn yourself out over group drama and the likes

Take the game at your pace. Pug through your 16s. Be a gamer regardless

[wooden spruce]

they wanted to sell carry, maybe they are pissed because i told them i dont wanna burn myself with that, already did it in the past and became a 2nd job that almost made me quit wow

[round pendant]

Your friends are cooked

Tank spec literally does not matter at that key level

[jolly nimbus]

ST Sims are telling me to gem off haste to Crit/mast with only 1036 haste am i being sim-baited here or is haste less value in raid?

[vital vale]

epic prank: pug 16s and 17s without them and pass their score while they are still trying to find tanks in queue who wont die on pull 1

[vale escarp]

Real question, are they playing Meta classes, if not, tell them to change to meta Combo.

[ionic fern]

Yesterday evening.

[lone wren]

to heal i onyl ahve ignore pain and victory thign no?

[ionic fern]

Leech,Ignore Pain,Impending Victory,Indom(if talented).

IP is also not a heal,just a absorb.

[jagged pier]

technically LS is a heal too

[crisp ocean]

did they change the ui of icy veins?

[tacit smelt]

yippee 3700

[jagged pier]

yes

[crisp ocean]

frick it looks worse

[jagged pier]

thats subjective

[crisp ocean]

opinionated yes, but you cant please everyone

[ionic fern]

Looks better in my eyes.

[dusty wedge]

I agree, bit less 2000's vibes

[round pendant]

It's more intuitive I'd say

but icy veins hadn't changed in god knows how long

I liked it :(

[vocal plaza]

i have Myth track rings on the 2 rings from Seat (and + avoidance on one of the rings) and the Purloined Wedding RIng. Do i run the seat ring set or do i run the wedding ring + seat ring with haste/vers?

[jagged pier]

u dont run seat set its bad and pointless

[vocal plaza]

cheers

[vital vale]

if you dont step in bad you have 100% avoidance anyway

and unavoidable aoe damage isn't a threat to tanks anyway

[broken marsh]

Do flasks/buffs effect your breakpoiint?

[broken marsh]

would it be good for mdi?

[jagged pier]

no

[next umbra]

is it better to use myth crafted or myth weapon/shield for embelli?

[jagged pier]

myth wep and shield

and embleishment somewhere else

[next umbra]

what if im full myth tracked all slots

[jagged pier]

u still want emblieshments just nto on wep or shield

usually back and bracers

[next umbra]

aah

[fringe mural]

the weapon dps for your mainhand and the armor of your shield is too powerful to forfeit the extra ilvl for the weapon embellishment

in fury it's different, there the offhand dps is unimportant enough to keep the crafted oh

Primary and secondary stat difference of crafted vs 6/6 myth mainhand isn't really high
but it's the weapon dmg

the offhand weapon dps of the dw classes only scales half i think so embellish comes out ahead and they keep their crafted offhand

[hardy snow]

I like it, when I can just go to the vendor and buy as much myth crests as I need

[stone tundra]

my stupid ass did the upgrade thing before even tho i knew that moment would come

[jagged pier]

u never do that

[stone tundra]

i know

but i wanted upgrade fast

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-cat-sad-cat-me-when-i-dont-get-orod-tickets-gif-13399313231964052110

late to party, but if your 'push team' is doing 16s and thinks they need a bear or monk... they are actually cooked XD

also crazy comms to not play with the bois; thats 101 not homie behavior

and if they want you to play bear or monk (and you decide to give it a go)... they better fucking help you gear it

[hardy snow]

swap to bear, play bad so they regret forcing you to swap

[jagged pier]

u cant play bear bad tho

[hardy snow]

unbind thrash

[jagged pier]

swipe bis

[plush tendon]

to me, it just sounds like they feel hardstuck, looking for a scapegoat, and the first obvious choice is 'omg, its our tank!'

which is crazy coms

[hardy snow]

damn you Jakey, always one step ahead

[fringe mural]

When i started levelling the bear, i bound swipe

Only to never use it again

sad spell is sad

Like ww on prot

so useless

i mean it is good for one thing though

doing old content

You just run and ww because ww has no cd and no rage cost

and any spell will kill stuff

[ivory barn]

Github being nuked wasn't on the bingo card

[fringe mural]

sry what?

[ivory barn]

Idk how to explain what happened but internal hack

[jagged pier]

it got breached

[fringe mural]

Oh no

Anyways

do you guys think mage will get a new spell in s2?

ring of fire?

badumm tiss

[jagged pier]

praying for shaman tank

[fringe mural]

because johnny cash returned to blizzard

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/hurt-johnny-cash-gif-5900413207284084778

[fringe mural]

https://tenor.com/view/johnny-cash-ring-of-fire-gif-19768519

[glacial ridge]

Every time I join the reclear group for raid...

[fringe mural]

Today i transmuted adventure crests into mythic ones

81 to 1

like a true casual

[plush tendon]

I think mage needs something

the prune into Midnight hurt them quite a bit I feel like

though it could also just be a numbies thing

[ivory barn]

I played frostfire mage for a bit, kinda like it

[plush tendon]

Frost is really fun imo

though, it can get a bit stale

[fringe mural]

Spellslinger is pretty repetitive

idk about frostfire, i just know it's worse dps wise

[plush tendon]

havnt put too much time in my mage other then getting to 90 and some delves and what not

though, If I were to add new toons to play as a alt, it would be near the top... though I guess I should be gearing/leveling my brew and bear so I have all the tanks max leveled/geared

[royal marten]

Mage just needs some actual defensives back again mostly. Arcane needs to revert to TWW style too.

Mirror images no longer having DR blows, it was the only way to have a short term wall for rot damage.

[coarse bay]

I mean it wasnt a short term wall

[royal marten]

Short as in a lower cd wall

[coarse bay]

It had high uptime

I think the pruning would be ok if they gave it some passive to make up for it

[royal marten]

tbh just removing dr from greater invis would've been enough imo. No dual barrier/ice cold talent rither

Either*

[coarse bay]

Frost has had the extra defensives forever though

It’s just always tuned poorly

Mage is in a sad state

I think frost would be less stale with an actually impactful cd

[crisp ocean]

8 dungeons and no loot what the frick

[royal marten]

Have you tried getting lucky?

[crisp ocean]

I used 3 bonus rolls too

[undone beacon]

They were up all night just to do that

[coarse bay]

[crisp ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/franklin-saint-snowfall-kolt-angry-mad-gif-16990162099621677302

[coarse bay]

Looks like 2 slots perfect for crafting

[royal marten]

Or hell, just the random ass blues on the AH lmao

That's some strong commitment to the bit tho

[crisp ocean]

no I need upgrade from dungeon

[crisp ocean]

160 crests

ig

[undone beacon]

133 ring is literally like last season

[coarse bay]

[undone beacon]

I mean crests are uncapped now

[plush tendon]

no bling

[undone beacon]

So if you're farming anyways, think of it like bad luck protection

[plush tendon]

3/10

[crisp ocean]

i upgraded my weapon

[coarse bay]

Yup

Keep playing

[undone beacon]

Very cool

Doesnt change my statement

[coarse bay]

Cant expect fully geared in 8 dungeons

[crisp ocean]

I only need 2 items

[coarse bay]

Ya

[crisp ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-cat-thumbs-up-cat-cry-thumbs-up-crying-cat-ok-cat-gif-5747260357834857776

[coarse bay]

That is indeed not fully geared

[undone beacon]

[plush tendon]

I wonder if well see some patch notes for the .7

since they released the artwork

we usually get a rework or two around this time

[undone beacon]

Speaking of fully geared, once I have my crests for the week I'll be completely done gearing the priest until Sporefall

[plush tendon]

[undone beacon]

Full myth gang

[crisp ocean]

they said something like, 4 weeks for one myth gear from the weekly stuff

[undone beacon]

Thats not a patch note, thats a quest on the ptr

[plush tendon]

I wish.... but Ive split time on my DK and War

both still need 2 items to be full myth

[undone beacon]

Brutal

The last holdneck was my neck but i ended up taking Salhadaar neck from vault because shadow loves crit now

[plush tendon]

though its just rings on my war... hoping for good RNG in Nexus Point this week

I should have close to like a 66% chance of getting both this week

[fringe mural]

not a way in the world i play monk

[plush tendon]

yea, Brew is prob my least favorite of the bunch

[undone beacon]

I got really lucky with my rolls in NPX, pulled one ring from the vault and the other from my first roll

[plush tendon]

not even playstyle... I just think other tanks look cooler

[crisp ocean]

just spam keg smash and fire

[fringe mural]

i really like the feel of prot pala

[crisp ocean]

thats it lol

[plush tendon]

heck, at least Bear is a Bear

and I love bears

[crisp ocean]

its the most fun

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/wave-gif-18119452

[fringe mural]

it's also squishy af

[crisp ocean]

bear is my least favorite

[crisp ocean]

yes it is

[plush tendon]

Prot Pal is the S+ tier weekly key tank

and I stand by that

[fringe mural]

Hell i got two shot when running my first t11 delves to gear

[undone beacon]

Part of me wanted to play the crest optimization game and upgrade my warrs wrists to max to get discount on the priest but them i remembered its uncapped now

[fringe mural]

the burst is insane

for whom the bell tolls

[plush tendon]

insane burst, amazing snap threat

[fringe mural]

dong

[undone beacon]

I'll be contrarian and say VDH just because nobody talks about VDH

[fringe mural]

everything dies

[undone beacon]

[plush tendon]

VDH is fun; mine is pretty geared

but snap threat is just ugggg sometimes

[ivory barn]

I'm boots/trinkets left lol

[fringe mural]

also avenger's shield is such a satisfying spell to use

[plush tendon]

and with new util tools being added to other tanks, sigils feel kind of meh now

[undone beacon]

Unrelated, is there any use for hero crests aside from turning them into myth now?

[plush tendon]

turning them into Vet crests

[fringe mural]

for bonus rolls?

[plush tendon]

to save on Voidlight Mari/Gold when buying bonus rolls

[torn gulch]

i mean 5k is nothing

[undone beacon]

Why would i do that when i have 18 quadrillion marl

[fringe mural]

oh no 5k gold

[plush tendon]

i have like no mari

[undone beacon]

to be fair the 5k adds up across alts

[ivory barn]

I have used crests every week lol

[fringe mural]

yeah they do

but the alt also get multiple k

[undone beacon]

i use crests and then marl on alts with no crests

[plush tendon]

if you have the crests, I see no reason not to save the gold

[fringe mural]

From quests

[undone beacon]

rolling a new alt and dropping 25k on rerolls feels kinda stinky

[ivory barn]

Since my broke ass has 20k to my name

[fringe mural]

https://tenor.com/view/stopbeingpoor-poor-broke-gif-21552270

[undone beacon]

almost 65k marl

[ivory barn]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-family-guy-throwing-his-car-off-a-cliff-nosolohit-stan-twitter-gif-12069191405568522303

[severe star]

where do you all spend marl

[undone beacon]

after buying all the mounts from rep and the void assault mogs

[severe star]

ah

[plush tendon]

I need my guild to kill Lura

so we can start doing sales

[fringe mural]

i bought all the renown vendor stuff

[undone beacon]

You buy rep stuff with it. Each mount is like 8k marl

[fringe mural]

mounts, toys, pets and decor

[undone beacon]

Its also like 25k marl to get the purple T2 sets

[fringe mural]

i don't buy the ugly transmog though

[plush tendon]

yea.... thats where all of mine went

[undone beacon]

And yeah if you fuck with housing then decor stuff is the marl sink

But to be fair i havent touched my house since the xpac launched

[coarse bay]

Marl has been draining through the bonus tokens on all alts for me

[plush tendon]

im still peeved my guild neighborhood is horde

instead of alliance

[fringe mural]

you struck me as someone who would tbh pash

[coarse bay]

Pash’s house is cool af

Even been murdered there

[undone beacon]

I still think housing is a great feature and during the downtime it was fantastic to kill time with but when more productive content came out it was hard to justify lol

[plush tendon]

My house resembles that of a young adult male

with limited income

so mattress on floor, a kettle in the corner, and a massive TV with surround sound and a lawn chair

[undone beacon]

My horde house is a mad goblin lab and my alliance house is a cozy conservatory

[fringe mural]

I was going to say that

[undone beacon]

To be fair i think if they add a save slot system ill go back and do a lot more with it

But i put so much time into what I have, i dont want to rip and replace a bunch of it for the new ideas

[fringe mural]

now that the guy who made pet battles and order halls returns

I wonder what comes next tbh

i'm a little afraid too

[undone beacon]

wdym order halls were like the best part of legion

[fringe mural]

i know

i loved the artifact weapons too

it was something fresh

[ivory barn]

We need a new legendary

[fringe mural]

i want azurewrath

or eldruin

either is fine

[ivory barn]

D4 loot in wow

[severe star]

its all 16s for 3.4k right?

[coarse bay]

Ya

[ivory barn]

I'ma start trying to get io prolly tonight/tomorrow

[fringe mural]

See you in a few days with your bear

[ivory barn]

LMAO

No other tank at max prot war only

[fringe mural]

give it a few days

when you come back here all beaten up

And declined

lol

[coarse bay]

Surely u cant get declined from your own key

[ivory barn]

^

[fringe mural]

well maybe he can

they join, they see him and leave

'Sry didn't see the class color'

[coarse bay]

I get dps complaining about lfg boss but not tanks

[ivory barn]

Cool, they didn't wish to play the game the fun way then

[fringe mural]

i'm just messing with you

you'll do fine

[ivory barn]

It's fun signing up to 2-3 groups tops, switching to dps it's a minimum of 10m before I say fuck it and make my own

[fringe mural]

play the supreme class

https://tenor.com/view/scrubs-turk-carla-the-warrior-gif-14170767123832135454

[ivory barn]

Meta chasing is for weekend players wanting a title

https://tenor.com/view/marvel-angry-thor-lightning-gif-16275291

Must clap to victory

[fringe mural]

mountain thane ahooo

[crisp ocean]

+10s wtf is happening

Im getting like 20 applications in one second

[ivory barn]

Welcome to crests no longer capped

[fringe mural]

That's the alt army

who is geared now through uncapped hero crests

[plush tendon]

I get so overloaded when I post my key for some weekly 10s

I just look for whoever has the coolest name

[fringe mural]

like Hootini

[plush tendon]

insta invite

[fringe mural]

coolest owlkin ever

[plush tendon]

we had Bronnyjr last week

had to take him

or if I see a class that barely gets played

I take them

out of pure interest

[fringe mural]

yeah why not

Fire mage

lol

[plush tendon]

exactly

[fringe mural]

fire mage is visually great

also high apm class

So skillful too

[undone beacon]

i like people that put a fun note :3

[fringe mural]

or frost dk

[plush tendon]

fun notes are also extra points

Frost is actually really good

[undone beacon]

Sometimes I hit em with the "put me in coach im good for the money" when applying

[ivory barn]