protection

[grim pilot]

or 35 w.e

[round pendant]

he doesn't take 40 seconds

does he??

[grim pilot]

idk how much exactly

[lime spruce]

I failed the +13 that would've gotten me 3k by 21 seconds so yeah that def matters

[grim pilot]

he takes like 40/45

[lime spruce]

he takes his sweet fucking time alright

[round pendant]

just get a monk to provoke him

[grim pilot]

in s1 i think the aoe scaled with key level or boss worked a bit differently idk

either way u weren't doing that for a reason outside of old mdi format

and u were just stacking stuff for webs

so you can go into p2 with full cds everything prestacked bl pot etc

and nuke the boss

[round pendant]

guess I'll start doing that route

my friends will hate me because they hate change

[lime spruce]

nah they just hate you and blame change

[cerulean tusk]

My friends just given up, they just follow me and accept that if they die they die

It is an extreme of: ya either love my tanking style, or hate it to the core of your soul

[lime spruce]

if you can't handle me at my choking on Sesame Streets of Tazavesh you don't deserve me at my middling DPS output

[cerulean tusk]

I still gonna wait for that all 14 update, and then all 15

We believe in ya

[bright citrus]

Is the dimmy ring bait? archon doesn't show a lot of use.

[lime spruce]

lol nahhhhh I'm tired boss

[round pendant]

:(

[lime spruce]

gonna sit here and shitpost like I'm a wizened wizard even though I'm just one among the 40% now

[round pendant]

you're soying out rn

[lusty grotto]

its not bait, but there's myth tracks available

not everyone has a myth dimmy ring

[lime spruce]

give me a week and I'll probably be back on the crack, just gotta get through this refractory period

[lusty grotto]

and you're not gonna use hero track over any other myth ring

[bright citrus]

bold of you to assume, I've gotten myth rings to drop 🙁

[lusty grotto]

i mean

archon

not you

youre looking at archon

[cerulean tusk]

Rat knew

[lusty grotto]

thats data from people

if people have myth rings available, why would they use a hero track

and thus

archon picks up no use on hero track dimmy ring

[bright citrus]

oh yeah you're right, I read that as me you, and not the collective you.

[lusty grotto]

thats how it works

thats why archon sucks

and you shouldnt really use it to make gearing or talent decisions

[cerulean tusk]

Data is data, not it's fault it is misread

[lusty grotto]

0 context

and absolutely no nuance

[frosty mango]

I dunno bout sucks

A screwdriver is a screwdriver, does the screwdriver suck if you try to use it as a hammer?

[lusty grotto]

lol you know what i meant

[round pendant]

https://reddit.com/r/wow/comments/1nltm85/protection_warrior_meme/

is this slander?

[lusty grotto]

nah the top comment is on point

and yeah the OP doesnt know how cdr works

i wonder whats going on today

i havent been declined so much... ever

[round pendant]

as tank?

[lusty grotto]

yup

[round pendant]

what key level

[lusty grotto]

15-16

[round pendant]

maybe some streamer said pwar is bad

[lusty grotto]

i dont know if its an NA thing or what

i legit dont remember getting declined this much

[jagged gust]

maybe we need to shut down the discord until people start inviting us

[lusty grotto]

i dont think its a prot war thing

maybe there's just a lot of tanks playing tonight

[slim dove]

ppal meta shift

[grim pilot]

Ppal aint gonna be meta

No need to worry

[lime spruce]

Something that’s unintuitive to me, why is SS higher than Revenge in AoE priority

[grim pilot]

Just yoda being yoda and forcing his teammates

[jagged gust]

rage gen is really, really good

[lusty grotto]

rage, SS also trucks

[cerulean tusk]

Generator vs spender

[lime spruce]

Gotcha I’m probably just underrating rage gen

[grim pilot]

Ss proccs thunder blast

[cerulean tusk]

More generated, more you spend, more CDR you get. More of everything you get

[grim pilot]

Gives you rage which means more avatar

[lusty grotto]

also that

[jagged gust]

Honestly there are so many reasons why it's hard to remember them all

[grim pilot]

And thunder blast is like 40% of your overall

So you want to press that

[waxen cradle]

Since we do use the delve belt for the time being is it better to go ahead and craft our BiS belt which is crafted if we don't have a mythic one or pump crests into upgrading other mythic gear ? What's the opinion ?

[jagged gust]

Well embellishes aren't worth much DPS and bracers/belt are worth the least in terms of stats, but it's probably close enough to be called a draw compared to the higher value armor pieces, although I've crafted a 2H that I sold the next week, bracers and belt and maxed out 6 myth pieces already and still have gilded leftover

[round pendant]

Belts worth making it you don't have a myth piece to upgrade elsewhere

Disc belt is nerfed in a few weeks too afaik

[lusty grotto]

you have 4 sparks

you should have

shield > weapon > bracer > belt

thats it

when turboboost hits, you will have your 5th spark

[round pendant]

I've had a myth slot every week from vault and I can't afford to upgrade everything to 623 and craft belt so I've still not made my belt

:(

[lusty grotto]

rip

[fathom oasis]

suffering from success

got brand today and it did 10% of my damage in my last key, not sure if i'm trash or trinket is just insane

probably a bit of both

[jagged gust]

it's pretty god damn good

I wanna say heroic brand is doing like 8-10% is the sweet spot for that trinket

[round pendant]

I'm never getting that trinket at least

Well, maybe with dinar

[jagged gust]

in dinar we trust

[waxen cradle]

Yeah same not seen the brand drop since raid opened

Ok take that back saw it drop once in normal first week of the raid

That's ok Blizzard wants it to feel "special" when a trinket you want drops or you get it

What are people's take on Legion Remix ? I think without artifact appearances being available (with the exception of the baseline ones) or the mage tower it will be a steaming pile of crap but I could be wrong

[lusty grotto]

im playing it

but i played mop remix too so

but i also have 6 classes mage tower appearances for all specs

either way mop remix didnt have CMs but i didnt care

its just something to do

[waxen cradle]

Yeah I completed the mage tower on 4 of the 6 tanks in Legion with all specs so yeah not too upset, but I just feel it would sure bring people back if they brought back the mage tower and other appearances

[lusty grotto]

it is what it is

[waxen cradle]

Yeah true it just feels like a wasted opportunity for Blizzard but who knows it may be great either way

[lusty grotto]

MoP remix didnt need Challenge Modes to bring people into it

[waxen cradle]

Yeah true

[lusty grotto]

all in all its fun to farm cosmetics

and having overpowered shit

[waxen cradle]

Yeah the time gating will feel a bit jarring too I feel but it will last until January so I dont see that mattering too much

[lusty grotto]

didnt feel bad in mop remix after the changes

[waxen cradle]

More invested in housing coming in Midnight than remix anyway. Not gonna lie having player housing is going to be amazing

[lusty grotto]

im not super hyped about it, its a good thing but its not a novelty to me being also an FFXIV player

[jagged gust]

I will be raid logging while almost exclusively playing remix

Well I'm already raid logging, but I will continue to do so, with vigour

[warm plinth]

Oct 7

[pallid quiver]

nuh-uh

[jagged gust]

Not soon enough

[plush tendon]

I take full credit of being a enabler

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-what-are-you-waiting-for-determined-angry-gif-5247874

[lime spruce]

You too huh

Tank there too? I was GNB, unsubbed in Dawntrail, just not doing it for me anymore

[lime spruce]

Apparently I’m in the super minority because I thought the original vision sounded awesome, the extra turbo power MoP style still sounds fun to me though, I hope it’s as good as it sounds to me

My guess is the real reason for no mage tower is because that’s going to be the hook to bring people in for Legion Classic

Which I get, I can imagine it would be very hard to rebalance mage tower for 2025 class design while still maintaining the integrity of “earn it”, keeping it to Legion Classic respects that while also giving people a big reason to come back for it

Instead of just pissing away their strongest leverage on a zany side season yolo mode

[lusty grotto]

no

BLM > SAM > WHM > WAR

tanking is fucking boring in xiv

and has been post-stormbringers

[lime spruce]

BLM is too big brain for me, always wished I could play it though

[lusty grotto]

stormblood i mean sorry, tiered

holy fuck cant type

keys today has been frying my brain

[waxen cradle]

Yeah tanking in FF14 is incredibly boring. Last time I played I leveled all of the tanks and starter geared them to find one not boring

It remained boring

[lusty grotto]

all of them are boring

tanking savage is boring

tanking ultimatesis boring

[waxen cradle]

Yeah

[lusty grotto]

tanking tome farms is boring

thats just how it is

[waxen cradle]

Yeah it really is

[lusty grotto]

dps on the other hand, i do enjoy

and healing is fine for the most part

and i enjoy the content

just not tanking it hehe

the only reason i gear up WAR every tier is just in case i wanna help out with a tank role but meh

so its dead last on my gearing

[bleak parcel]

I liked DRK in shadowbringers

[frosty mango]

Healing ultimates in ff is actually fun

And difficult

I find it harder than wow healing but for different reasons

I think tanking in every game is just low brain lol

[lusty grotto]

sure but tanking keys can be funner

idk

tanking raids in wow is kind of the same as in xiv in terms of fun, it can be stupid boring except for the rare combo swaps and/or loomitars

[sacred hamlet]

Hi. I am new at tanking, and it worked sometimes like this, sometimes like that (depends on Dungeon). Mostly i try 10er Keys, and so i am glad to have a few in time. Makes fun with the right group and helps understanding Routes, CDs and Mechanics. My Question is surely a Noob-Question but i cant find something about that: How much impact does Stance Dancing have? And when did you prefer it? Big pulls Def-Stance, alright, but when do you switch to Battle-Stance? Appreciate any Answers. Greetings.

[mighty valley]

You could stay in defensive stance at all times and be totally fine

Battle stance only gains you 3% crit chance

If you’re doing everything else perfect and want to squeeze out some extra damage when you’re not in danger, it’s fine to switch to

[sand pebble]

are* you not timing keys due to lack of dps or your ability to survive

[mighty valley]

But mostly dont worry

[sacred hamlet]

@mighty valley Thanks!

[lusty grotto]

i havent used battle stance at all this season

or last season

or in s1

if i did it was purely by accident

in DF though, we battle stance'd

[sand pebble]

its kinda like battle stance until you died, then hit def stance at that key level from then on

[lusty grotto]

nah

not worth

[mighty valley]

if you know the key you’re going into is a joke, sure, but it’s so much to give up for so little

in any key that matters

[lusty grotto]

also remember this info is in our guide

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/abilities-talents-pve-tank

[sacred hamlet]

Ara, HoA, Down are the Keys which are hard for me. Surviving is not the Problem, my DPS is about 2-3,5 M overal at the end. Think i have always kick the casters and use my CD´s; in HoA first pull is often a wipe even on lower keys, have to train it more (or be more careful with the mates choice) also in HoA my pulls are to small so that costs Time, maybe i shouldnt think about the group survival. After a little practice Gambit would be my next 10 Key.

[lusty grotto]

dont think about battle stance at all

despite what anyone says

its not worth using

period

if this was Dragonflight the conversation would be different

but in TWW, staying in d stance is the norm

your dps isnt going to increase dramatically from battle stance

your problem is skill use, if anything

[sacred hamlet]

Okay, i will browse it.

[mighty valley]

if your dps players are at 2-3mill overall, the problem is not with you

[lusty grotto]

no, he means his dps

not his dps players

[mighty valley]

oh

[lusty grotto]

and of course like i mentioned thats tied to how hes playing

and of course gear

and whether he has 4pc or not

im just mentioning it for his sake

[brave pilot]

is champion's spear better than thunderous roar in eco-dome?

like

[mental scarab]

Low dps——> pull more

[brave pilot]

does it prevent the adds from dashing

[sacred hamlet]

Yeah. My Gear is ok (710 / 4set). With recommend stats. I prefer the Routes that i have seen with my Mage running M+. But even in 6-8 Keys the players wants huge pulls to smack them down and then struggle with the mechanics like in Floodgate second pull. Will try pull more depented on group skill.

[mental scarab]

Think dps can pre move from the jump

[next jay]

how good are the raid boots for keys in terms of comparing say->lfr boots to crafted 720s. I sort of just have an extra spark right now and not really sure what to craft with it..only thing i could think of was boots since i won't realistically get any boots but lfr version (not interested in raids). am currently doing 15s/16s looking to push higher

[pallid quiver]

considering that the tank cloak effect is

not very good

The crafted is probably just better overall

[next jay]

thanks! i feel super durable anyways - am not really pressing about survivability

[honest hemlock]

Sup

I'm tryna get more advanced on prot warrior for this season (i just started back up few days ago still gearing up) any advice on where to start ?

[sick merlin]

Wowhead and icyveins guides

#protection-faq message

[rotund forge]

i saw the sheet for the spell reflects. Anyone has a functional WA that tells me when to spellreflect (like when it is possible) ?

[fossil mountain]

At this point I still only have access to hero track weps (unless i get a 1h through vault), would you reccomend I craft the longsword?

[mellow bridge]

Yes

[remote tusk]

I need to drop some

[errant oriole]

has anyone tried colossus this season?

[jagged pier]

its okay

[high latch]

https://wago.io/gDUeTbAt8

[rotund forge]

ok thanks, i had the feeling is not working on everything.. somehow

[high latch]

There are a couple of varieties of this WA and at least one of them isn't updated for S3. This one is though.

[rotund forge]

ok thx gonna test it

[wooden lagoon]

yo, champions spear in some dungeons over roar? think about it in halls for that little moving adds

or do we take that dmg over that 6sec binding

[steady pond]

Guys im trying to improve as a prot warrior, do i need to track any buff to use SS or Thunder clap correctly or the button glow is enough? if im trying to follow the priority list from WoWHead?

Rn im pressing the shine button and hoping for the best lmao

[high latch]

If you just wanna do fairly well and not tryhard too much, that is perfectly fine.
Personally I have WAs that track all my core abilities and one thing I like is having my Thunder Clap tracker change into Thunder Blast when that is relevant and only glow if I have two stacks or the Severe Thunder buff, cus then that gains priority.
That and tracking Violent Outburst is good.

[rotund forge]

you should make decisions based on your resources and the situation --> You got rage and need dps, push the dps button. --> you need deff, spend it in deff. Around this you can optimize. First ist survival, then dps.
So its not always good to just press the buttons that light up (well some classes yes). Of course follow the prio list as you do already. Also try to spell reflect whenever possible, is a big dmg gain. And try to not overcap rage.

IMO protwarr is pretty forgiving, compared to other tanks

[steady pond]

Ya i've played alot of prot pally in tha past but im coming back from a biiiiig break from tanking

been healing for like 5 years rn

[rotund forge]

I am also main protpall, and now switched since 5 days to protwarr..

i can tell you, its completely different

Protwarr is pretty chill

[steady pond]

I moved away from prot pally cuz i couldn't shut off healer brain lmao

[misty charm]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cc45NRTLeEBCK15d9DHpBY
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fpudtRj2ePksjJ7DQ3TXce
I fail to understand how the crit haste ring sims worse than the vers mastery one 🤔

[rotund forge]

Well, thats the fun part of pally. You support strongly your group. But this can also lead to issues, if you focus only on this and die hahaha

On Warri.. you .. dont care about the others

you push your buttons..

[high latch]

If you have a lot of haste/crit and not much of vers/mastery, they will be more valuable to you. The sims are correct.
The only "exception" is that you need enough haste to keep decent Shield Block uptime. After that, trust sims.

[misty charm]

yea i get that but mastery doesnt give any offensive value

[high latch]

Yes it does. Increases our attack power.

Mastery is good.

[misty charm]

yea i forgot about that true

[full mist]

700 mastery gives 1% attack power

700 crit gives 1% critical strike chance

760 vers gives 1% damage multiplier

660 haste gives 1% haste

[warm plinth]

If you do run spear, you straight up take the three spear talents instead of the three roar talents.

That being said, you COULD do that, but then you're also going to have to sit on it to use it when the mobs are low. If you're really that lacking on CC for them, you're probably better off dropping like the Shockwave cd reduction and taking piercing howl

[round pendant]

imo spear should be reworked to be just a utility cc

it's kinda dumb tying good dam to good utility

use it for damage = bye bye cc
use it for cc = bye bye damage

[deft mortar]

kk finally got a ring

and now my haste is 19500

while vers-maxxing is still OK with 30% vers

[lime urchin]

Wait what
Vers?
What year is it

[warm plinth]

He's doing a meme build

[minor aurora]

anyone with a ez WA to reming to use SB?

[orchid narwhal]

You can build one p fast

You can create a pre made one, and create a condition that makes it glow whenever its up to use

Mess around with it for a bit, you'll figure it out, it looks more complicated than it actually is

[serene wave]

bruh impossible to drop tome lol ive done 20 runs of PoSF and no luck

[waxen cradle]

Took me 45 to get it

[serene wave]

Sad indeed, its all the m+ ive done this week, just frustrating

but thats wow

[waxen cradle]

Yeah its not unusual for it to take that long to see a drop of it

[serene wave]

save with Interloper boots

same

[kind urchin]

One of my guidlies finally got an idol on his frost dk last night after 150 runs.

[solid sun]

Do any of my skyhold homies enjoy doing Sunday morning keys

[round pendant]

I like having 2 bars that track each charge

I could make one for you

[past magnet]

anyone got any good WA or addons to Track shield block an ignore pain ?

[hidden sinew]

How frequently do you guys stance shift out of defensive stance in keys (or raids also I guess)? Thinking less push keys and more weekly 10-13 range.

[warm plinth]

never

[round pendant]

don't track ignore pain

rage > 70 = ignore pain

that's the only mental that should go towards IP

[past magnet]

@round pendant an shield block ? I want a bar or icon witch are easyer too see an track how long its left on it

[round pendant]

https://wago.io/T00eV8-cC

here you go

I made this

[hidden sinew]

Isn’t it relevant to track if it’s falling off from high damage intake? New to the spec so still getting my bearings

[warm plinth]

No

[round pendant]

no

[warm plinth]

You should be pressing it enough just by dumping rage with it that you'll have ~80+% uptime in keys (in logs, higher in details)

[round pendant]

You press it enough naturally as part of your rotational priority

[warm plinth]

If you are going to take a big hit and worry about surviving you can just double tap it before the hit

[round pendant]

and yeah if it's like super high keys you should be pretty aware of which hits are scawy enough that you'd rather spend a bit more rage on some extra IP vs execute/revenge

but idk what key level that'd even matter

you'd have to have like no shield wall, no demo and be about to take like a 30m hit

[warm plinth]

Only time I do it is on Dailcry when I don't have Wall or Stoneform

[round pendant]

maybe the gloom bites in eco dome in a high enough key if you pull two

🤔

[warm plinth]

Yeah, though I think the play with those is to just backpedal them and not take them at all

[round pendant]

you can dodge the bite?

[solid sun]

Yep

[round pendant]

[warm plinth]

Yeah, very easily

You can just S key your way to safety every time, though they will recast so you just have to stutter back

[round pendant]

oh it's like uhhh

what were they called

those things in uldaman?

[warm plinth]

yeah except way more lenient

Don't have to constantly move like you did for those

[round pendant]

sick

[solid sun]

And they continue on to their next thing after like 2 or 3 also

bite > move > bite > move > tunnel ability

[warm plinth]

Yeah the burrow thing

[solid sun]

I think I've seen one do like three bites in a row before tunneling

[round pendant]

Good to know, thanks guys

[hidden sinew]

This is good to know… I’ve def been playing around ignore pain way too much then. Sounds like there’s some dps I’m leaving on the table

[warm plinth]

People pretty much always think of IP wrongly when starting out

[round pendant]

tracking IP makes most people prioritise it too much imo

[warm plinth]

It's a very common thing in this channel

[hidden sinew]

I main Bear so I’m used to just spammmming ironfur like it’s my job

Definitely not the same setup here

[round pendant]

well as MT you'll be pressing IP a lot naturally

by just preventing yourself from rage capping

so it's similar, but the goal of it isn't to get IP, it's to spend rage

[hidden sinew]

Yeah totally makes sense ty!

And the CD on IP is long enough that it’s rare for it to just fall off if you’re running m+

Like you will def press it again in the next 10-12 seconds

[warm plinth]

This is my casts per minute for a 14 flood

Just to show how much you end up pressing it anyway

[hidden sinew]

Yeah once every 5 sec or so

Got it

You have a ~45 sec avatar CD (1.5/min press) just from rage spend, yes?

[warm plinth]

Yeah around there, give or take

[hidden sinew]

Cool cool. Alright this is very helpful ty

Time to go brick some 10-12s 🫡

[warm plinth]

As you should

The woyer way

[frosty mango]

Chat am I cooked?

Roidburg is an ignore pain addict

[jagged pier]

yer slight addict

but depends on what lvl and what build

[frosty mango]

That’s 16/push build

[jagged pier]

probably alright

like u aint gunna be spending more on revenge and u dont have execute talents so less spamm there

[warm plinth]

Yeah, that makes sense for push build 100%

[frosty mango]

One thing for certain ya boy ain’t wasting a drop of rage

[warm plinth]

I wasted like 200 rage in that log I showed a pic of above but I also generated like 23k so I'm alright with it XD

[frosty mango]

https://tenor.com/view/beerfest-thirsty-lick-last-drop-gif-14397317

[warm plinth]

We gotta talk to my fury war buddy though

[frosty mango]

I dunno if he’s wearing prot gear

It’s impossible

[warm plinth]

He is wearing prot gear, yeah; he mains prot

[frosty mango]

When I play fury in my prot gear I just have so much haste I literally can’t

[warm plinth]

Listen Roid, we don't excuse rage waste in this house

Ignore the part where I said I'm ok with 200 wasted

That never happened

I should do better until I waste 0 rage

[cerulean tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/bob-ross-happy-accidents-joy-of-paint-painting-gif-13519668

[round pendant]

I still struggle to get SS cpm like that

[jagged pier]

just press it

[warm plinth]

Press the butttttonnnnn

[round pendant]

still pressing revenge too much

[jagged pier]

yes

this aint S2

[round pendant]

colossus ruined me

[warm plinth]

Unbind it until you're sorry for what you did

Your penalty is you have to click it if you want to cast it

[round pendant]

that was a 15 eco-dome and I parsed an 83

terrible

[jagged pier]

key parses

[round pendant]

top 17% of the 1917 prot warriors who've done that key

I'm not happy unless I parse 95

[cerulean tusk]

remove revenge, replace it with confuse the casuals

[frosty mango]

Just make a weakaura that says “idiot” when you hit revenge

[round pendant]

if I press it when SS/TClap is up ig

or if they're almost up

[frosty mango]

No just every time

Then you’ll be a lot more aware of how often you’re pressing it

[round pendant]

I only wanna be aware when I press it wrongly tho

[frosty mango]

Alternatively you can make an aura that tracks conditions for when you wanna press it and have it alert you then move the bind

Bc your muscle memory is why you’re hammering it

An aura like that would be rather resource intensive though

[round pendant]

I'll just simply stop pressing it

[toxic gyro]

Swap your revenge and tc binds

[tawny knot]

How do you guys deal with spread caster pulls? This seems to be a pain if you cant LoS

[solid sun]

Just failed a 13 priory and the pugs in the group basically said going right is "too aids" and "no one does that anymore"

Have I missed out on the new trend

[tawny knot]

Feels easier imo

[solid sun]

Or did I have crybabies on my bus

[full mist]

Right probably takes a bit more coordination and left is harder on tank dmg

[minor aurora]

So, is Brand a bait agaisn't a netherprism?

704 Brand x 710 Prism

Cus...honestly, Sims funcition on a perfect 15 stacks after 3 smth minutes

prism on cd seems stronger.

[jagged gust]

If I can, coordinate yanks with a DK, aoe interrupt while gathering for the extra long interrupt if not needed later in the pull, else madly ping whatever needs to be kicked by the rest of the group if all else is down

[serene wave]

Do people play Shield Specialization or enduring alacrity? Also is the passive ravager worth it or is massacre a better talent overall_

?

[jagged pier]

U should be playing both of the first 2

And whirling blade is better than masscre

[serene wave]

and talent off battle scarred_

?

[jagged pier]

No if u want bsv, u drop an execute talent and therefoee u drop them all because dropping one makes the rest not worth it

So u should just use the wowhead push build if u want to be tanky

[serene wave]

So not this?

[jagged pier]

Well thats okayish, but u can drop execute damage and cleave execute for EA blooudshurge

[strong forum]

You're almost there jakey

[cerulean tusk]

You can drop shield spes for another freed up point, I see

[jagged pier]

[strong forum]

That's very very very much recommended AGAINST

[cerulean tusk]

Nah nah, I seen the top Gs

They all do it

[strong forum]

Yeah and it's pretty stupid

[cerulean tusk]

Yoda and whoever it was

[serene wave]

So play EA and Bloodsurge instead of execute talents

[strong forum]

If your goal is maximum tankiness yes

[jagged pier]

Stop cat i know your memeing which makes it worse

[cerulean tusk]

Me? Never.

[tawny knot]

Thank you. Appreciate the response.

[tribal wharf]

spell reflect OP

[cerulean tusk]

So you can face your enemy!

I am so proud

[tribal wharf]

that is typically a boss class monster

[serene wave]

btw Ravager or Whirling Blade_

[neon elk]

To all that been said swap that 4%dr for armor ( forget names, 2nd row)

[tribal wharf]

small boss but a boss

[cerulean tusk]

win is a win

[serene wave]

And like this for execute focus right?

[jagged pier]

Ye

[cerulean tusk]

Shift+alt+s
try that combo

[jagged pier]

U can drop instiagte for sudden death if u want

[tribal wharf]

ctrl + shft + esc is an alternative for CAD brings up same thingy

i learned that one recently

[serene wave]

Thats a good shout, i dont use revenge that much

[neon elk]

Just dont get lost in exe spaming

[serene wave]

Would you not play sudden death in execute buuild too?

So my issue was that i was spamming revenge more than TB, now ive got in the habit of barely using it.

[jagged gust]

Iirc that node is always a DPS loss for MT outside of ST due to what you have to trade for it

[serene wave]

Instigate is better AoE right?

[blazing shuttle]

I feel like you don't need Red Right Hand as much because we already have a hero talent giving us +25% exe damages, while Sudden Death proc can be deadly

[strong forum]

theyre multiplicative you know that yer

so theyre irrespective of each other

[blazing shuttle]

I know yeah

[strong forum]

the 25% buff on thane has 0 impact on the value of red right hand

and vice versa

[blazing shuttle]

Yeye Ik, but if I was to pick Red Right or Sudden, I preferred picking Sudden but

yeah

Never said anything about the two not being irrespective of one another, though

[strong forum]

it did seem like you implied red right hand not being as relevant because of the 25%

[blazing shuttle]

Oh not not the intent

On the contrary another 15% buff especially on cleave situation is

nasty as fuck

And I'd love to go back to raiding to try it in execute phases

[jagged gust]

wouldn't that make them additive?

[blazing shuttle]

but sudden death procs on large packs with cleave exe

🤤

[strong forum]

nah i think mulitplicative is right cuz whichever talent you add multiplies the previously buffed value

like it aint 100 + 25 + 15 = 140

[fathom oasis]

1 * 1.25 * 1.15 = 1.4375 🙂

[steady pond]

Welll i was looking at the conversation and i think im pressing revenge like a lot.

💀

When should i press it? only if SS and TC are on cd and i have nothing to do?

[strong forum]

ya i had a brainfart and was trying to come to that, thanks

[fathom oasis]

press revenge if the pack doesn't have deep wounds. Other than that you use it to reset Shield Slam

[steady pond]

Cool thanks mate

[fathom oasis]

Every time your rage reaches 70 you press IP

That way you always have a buffer to fish for SS procs with revenge when SS and TC/TB are both on CD

[fathom oasis]

This happens a lot (specially during Avatar) so make sure you have IP bound to a comfortable key

[blazing shuttle]

Avatar + BL = You're now a Fury Warrior.

[pulsar epoch]

guys i need priory routes for 16s+

i was doing week 1 yoda's route but it feels outdated somehow

[plucky salmon]

Hello, I am pretty new at tanking. I have been following guides for the last month and I am hitting a wall now in my learning curve.

Basically I am not able to parse a good score on warcraft logs... I have no idea of what I am doing wrong, I think that I am playing the class how it should be played, yet so far I suck very big Ds in parsing logs.

Anyone willing to help and understand what is going on?

[lime spruce]

have you tried this https://wowanalyzer.com/

[plucky salmon]

Never heard of it. I will try it out

[frosty mango]

#1347646810457636974

Post some logs there

Also wow analyzer is not updated for protection so not sure how much viable data you’ll be able to get from it

[jagged gust]

Typically you just need to review your rage to make sure you're not wasting any by capping, check to make sure you're prioritising VO usage with SS/TB, following the priority of never capping TB proc stacks and keeping SS on CD.

After that make sure you have a decent CPM of avatar/demo shout/all your other offensive CDs

[lusty grotto]

post logs and we'll tell you, analyzer has not been accurate so just disregard it

[steady pond]

bro this is the better tip, my rotation feels way better ty so much man

[jagged gust]

Honestly I haven't much looked into the log review channel since DF

[lusty grotto]

i have

but luerce typically grabs em

when he can

the channel is good, the problem is that there's way too many fury log reviews and not a lot of people reviewing them

but for prot it works

especially if we're pinged

[jagged gust]

Yeah that was kinda why, fury reviews were hella repetitive

[orchid narwhal]

Hello friends I am back yet again for a round of questions

This is my current haste value

But I have an issue

It apperas this value of haste is JUST perfect that I never lose shield block

But only if I PLAY perfect

Like my next shield block will come up just as my current shield block ends

Making me very prone to getting smacked in the head

My question is

Am I doing something thats inherently making this happen (bad usage) or is this actually what happens at this haste value

Like is the fact that Im playing with range players griefing this yard range as well

[lusty grotto]

youre not doing anything wrong

[pseudo swan]

is this breakdown ok for a dungeon

[lusty grotto]

dunno would need logs

[pseudo swan]

in terms of uptime looks generally ok?

idk how to log a dungeon

i have the add on

but not sure how to check it lol

[orchid narwhal]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/help/start

Highly recommend this or a youtube video

Would be faster than asking us to explain through text

[lusty grotto]

or ask chatgpt/gemini

[pseudo swan]

got it thank you

and looking at details isn't good enoug

enough* i assume

as a start for %'s to look out for?

[lusty grotto]

its just missing a lot of context

[pseudo swan]

i see

ok it doesn't look like it auto creates logs

so i gotta do it next time before i pop a dungeon ok ty!

[orchid narwhal]

If you download raider.io, it'll automatically turn it on

[lusty grotto]

but if you want to compare only details windows this is a 15 flood

logging is more useful so make sure you understand how to do it

all classes use it

including "Arcane Mage"s

🙂

anyway Lassitude

going back to you

youre kinda overthinking it again

but youre not doing anything wrong

just remember you have SC

[pseudo swan]

noooo don't make fun of my tag

i was told i had to put it next to my name

.>

[pseudo swan]

ty so much!

and noted - i'll check out raider.io

[chrome falcon]

dude

this royal voidwing mob

melees for 24 mill

through shield block 🙂

[round pendant]

I just got hero reshi boots from my box on my rogue

[orchid narwhal]

Yeah I figure :sad:

I'm still wasting a fuck ton of rage

What keybind do you guys have IP on that lets u hit it as often as u need

I don't use scroll wheel but im debating finally binding it

[torpid dome]

Ayo 2/8 😄

[lusty grotto]

congrats!

[torpid dome]

the pad was strong this pull on the adds lmao

almost 5m dps

2,8m dps on boss, rest on adds XD

[keen star]

trying to kill adds is so frustrating I just play for damage to bosses parses

except for loomithar if the adds don't die fast enough we wipe

[torpid dome]

yeah

the add dmg is more so what im cleaving

with thunder blasts

[lusty grotto]

or Araz

[keen star]

on Araz prog I made sure so do boss damage first because I didn't trust our dps and add control in last phase

[fathom oasis]

are people progging plexus > naazindhri, as opposed to plexus > loomithar?

[lusty grotto]

yes

soulbinder is 2nd

cause shes very easy

[fathom oasis]

i see

[lusty grotto]

so easy she should have been 1st boss

[keen star]

yeah loomithar is an order of magnitude harder than soulbinder

soulbinder feels like heroic

[torpid dome]

ye soulbinder if v easy

much easier than sentinel even

[plucky salmon]

#1419420089278791842 Here you go. Hope this helps..

[lusty grotto]

ill take a look in a bit, running keys

[plucky salmon]

No problem, when you have time no rush here

[digital salmon]

What’s the best way to learn the dungeons I got limited time so I’m watching guides and just tanking a +10 the first time i run it. Trying to speed run 2500 io so I can get into higher keys

[proud sinew]

I’m interested as well. i just started my war prot journey for this season and just trying to push my key to ~10.
Any resources would be appreciated.

[chilly brook]

I guess I gotta tell Llarold that yes we are less tanky this season than last season

[lusty grotto]

you learn by playing, there's no way to sugar coat it

[quiet monolith]

Learn routes, do keys. Play other archetypes so you can watch other tanks and see how they pull / do things. Pugging is painful but you do get exposed to lots of new approaches and opportunities to learn

[bold shard]

heyo! I was curious about warriors, for Delving, um, I prefer being the tank in delves, how does Prot Warrior do there in tier 8+ delves?

[warm plinth]

No tank has any problem with delves of any level

[bold shard]

I found DH vengeance tank a bit difficult, but i suppose that's a skill issue

I have seen prot warriors solo bosses before, more than once, at level 80

[lusty grotto]

like he said, no tank has any problem with delves at any level

and we run DPS brann

as do most tanks for that matter

[bold shard]

alright cool 😄 thank you, rat with a hat

[lusty grotto]

healer delves with tank brann is also subjectively easier than anything

[dense cradle]

dps bran as tank

is the most free shit

[dense cradle]

pull big around brand cd

[daring narwhal]

do we have info about the new enchant coming next week ?

[frozen ice]

what is the break point to swap from focusing on haste and focusing on crit/vers?

I am under the impression its like ~21k haste, but am uncertain.

[bold shard]

whoa, big monayz

that guy withdrew thousands of dollars!! 😮

i am glad this server is moderated

anyways on topic, have you guys played blood dk?

I love blood dk, and i'm curious if anyone has tried it out, because prot warrior looks at least as good, if not better, I dunno, I don't have an 80 warrior (yet)

[cerulean tusk]

I am dabbling, anything in particular you wondering about?

Warrior is just safer and does more dam. BDK need to do different routes, but can do things Warrior can't (as easily) in turn

[flat stratus]

can warprot solo tank hc dimensius ?

[bold shard]

thats all I needed to know, thats awesome 😄 thank you

[cerulean tusk]

[cerulean tusk]

Not ignoring you. I simply don't raid anymore.

But in 9/10 cases where a tank can solo tank, warrior can do it as well

[round pendant]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x6ojw-toWY

average pwar player

tbh

[cerulean tusk]

Oh it is the spreadsheet guy

[round pendant]

yeah

I love metro's videos

He's so goofy and he goofs on even goofier people it's great

[cerulean tusk]

WELL I DONT LIKE BEING IN THIS VIDEO OF HIS

[lusty grotto]

this isnt even a thing in just +2s

this shaman could not fucking shut up

about anything

[round pendant]

I've not met many insufferable players this season outside of the odd toxic comment

[lusty grotto]

i have a group tab, which i only use to take pics of these absolute critters afterwards

[round pendant]

and my russian clown squad yesterday

Metro is just as bad as the guy who wants to give up here

lmao

[cerulean tusk]

I only had one bad event, and that wasn't that bad. As when the mage started to go full hate train 🚂, everyone else defended me from the verbal abuse not really needed, but it was very much a nice thing to see people do

[lusty grotto]

yeah i feel like people are starting to help against these ragers a lot more nowadays

that's a good thing in general, a very good thing

[exotic glade]

Do u guys gather mobs on ur mount or with ur dashes

[lusty grotto]

dont gather mobs with mount

you cant block while youre mounted

[round pendant]

I think my worst keys this season have all been 12s

just some interesting characters in those rn

[lusty grotto]

and also you cant press your abilities which you need for dps+agro

[exotic glade]

Ok ty, sometimes my mob gathers are very clunky and i wasnt sure if going mounted would help

[lusty grotto]

just clap

[warm plinth]

I stay mounted only for the stairs part of the first pull of Ara.

[round pendant]

which you shouldn't either

unless you're not doing the big pull ig

[lusty grotto]

you can do it

with shocking disclosure

i do it that way, i just dismount as soon as possible

[bold shard]

i wonder how tanks decide how many to pull

because they pull huge amounts

[lusty grotto]

trial and error

youre in a tank channel so us

[bold shard]

yar

[exotic glade]

Did they add depletion protection if some1 leaves ur key? Just depleted an 8 Flood cuz the hunter ragequit. But it didnt deplete? I got an 8 Gambit

[thorny stone]

In case anyone of you is bored, i need some help with my dps, i would apreciate another brain/pair of eyes reviewing my log

I usually parsed 90+ in other patchs, but im incapable of doing so now.

https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1419450397529083906

[bold shard]

huh, what happened to Sunder Armor?

wasn't that the primary way warriors held aggro?

[lusty grotto]

sunder stopped being relevant after wrath (well, technically after TBC since devastate applied it)

we do agro like all the other tanks, by doing dps

big damage = big agro

[dense cradle]

sometimes outdpsing the actual dps

[lusty grotto]

not in relevant content

[dense cradle]

well yeah

im mostly talking the nightmare fuel arc

where you have a poop alt and a low key

and didnt get friends to give it a 10 the week prior

[bold shard]

you are a very knowledgable rat person, thanks again Nimchip 😄

this is a dumb question but, whats the point of charge when we have heroic throw?

it says throw generates high threat, and we can pull them towards us, so? I'm not sure what i would use charge for?

[lusty grotto]

rage and gap closing

and generally movement

[bold shard]

oh, like if we get punted by a boss

and yar, it generates rage

[lusty grotto]

you dont really use heroic throw that much

its single target

can proc ravager but that's just RNG

[sick sentinel]

anyone here main bear ?

hey guys , in mop classic the tanks do higher dps than the actual dps

due to vengeance

[dense cradle]

Well nim did say relevant content

[sick sentinel]

mop content is current content

and human racial in mop classic is on 2 min cd and removes all cc not just stun

[cunning ridge]

as long as i have shield block up is there a reason to hit shield block if im about to get to 2 stacks?

[mighty valley]

just press it to keep the cooldown rolling

[cunning ridge]

ok basically what i been doing because between the shield charge and just pressing it every few globals i have like pretty high uptime on it

[mighty valley]

yeah, you’re striving for perma uptime

[cunning ridge]

for entire key including travel time i had 86% uptime

in combat i had like 91

[lusty grotto]

this is not a classic channel

#mop-discussion go here

or find the classic discord for those specific classes

idk if fight club is still around

but yes, vengeance is pretty good for that to the point some strats back then (in vanilla MoP, unsure if that's the case in classic MoP) revolved around farming vengeance stacks

most of us around remember

[solid sun]

Nim did you get your muscle memory back on fury

[lusty grotto]

kind of

but more practice is always good

[solid sun]

Brew said it was like two buttons

I assume he was being a silly goose

[lusty grotto]

its 3 but

close

for some reason low button classes become harder to get muscle memory right

but i wasnt happy where my RB bind was, 2 is kinda aids for spamming

so i just moved it to my SS bind

which is 4

[solid sun]

I gotcha

[dense cradle]

12 years solved content

[bold shard]

i'm tanking dungeons as protection! I am level fifty-eight 😄

[cerulean drift]

guys have we any addon or wa to call other people in grp for kick cast ?

[mighty valley]

The journey starts today

[lime spruce]

Had a friend just give me a life changing tip to bind SB and IP to mouse wheel scroll up and down

My arthritis is cured

I feel like I’m playing a normal WoW class again 😂

[warm plinth]

Can't imagine how I wouldn't accidentally double press them all the time tbh

But then I never liked mousewheel binds anyway because I like having control of the camera

[bold shard]

harrow is a good warframe! also thank you

[lusty grotto]

[undone beacon]

@lusty grotto I finally got a brand!!!

[lusty grotto]

oof biggg

[undone beacon]

but the catch

[lusty grotto]

goddamn it

stupid bear

[undone beacon]

Bear stocks continue to rise

[lusty grotto]

im 1 of 3 people that want it still in the heroic runs

and no drops for 2 weeks so far (or more)

[undone beacon]

This is the first one I've seen drop, and it was on our heroic alt/trial/parse night

[lusty grotto]

cant open vault on prot until i get a 2h (or myth plexus trinket, or heroic dimmy trinket)

kidna feels im fucked

[undone beacon]

Also had a big bear night except i forgot to swap off of trash talents for fucking nexus

grrrr

[lusty grotto]

ooh nice nice

[undone beacon]

I've gotten pretty good at full catweave

its a little awkward sometimes being in cat so much

Def missed a taunt on araz prog the other night cuz cat

[lusty grotto]

[pulsar epoch]

guys is this doable https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_a9nTjWcl8&t=796s these guy skip priory mini boss

7.45 for timestamp

[lusty grotto]

that guy doesnt deserve the view

he uses hero rotation lmao

but yes its possible, you just lose a SHITTON of count

so its hardly worth it

[warm plinth]

I did it once by accident

Skipped Shaynemail because I forgot she ran down after 1st one dies

Couldn't figure out why I was so short on count at the end

[lusty grotto]

anyway this is not the kind of player you should be watching

i wonder why sense isn't upping his runs

i guess Tettles has a few with sense

@shut summit any plans of upping keys to youtube?

[pulsar epoch]

he is doing 16-17 keys it makes sense to watch him

[lusty grotto]

no, not really

watch plka stream or topicx even

they are better players

we have a streamer list in #protection-faq

nvm its gone

https://www.twitch.tv/plkatv
https://www.youtube.com/@SenseNurfed
https://www.youtube.com/@TopicxYT

[tame jasper]

fingers crossed - we got a double drop this ID 🫂

[lusty grotto]

all of those are in channel btw (Kira and Naowh are as well, but i'd imagine they would like questions in their own discords)

so you can ask them questions, just dont be tag happy and bother them a lot

[lusty grotto]

best of luck 🙂

we also havent seen a myth antenna

AT ALL

i think our ids are just cursed

[sick merlin]

i have had no luck with boots so far and am still wearing champs... safe to craft those instead of belt and just use a hero belt ive stashed when the nerfs come in?

[lusty grotto]

you have 0 hero track boots?

thats kind of impressive

actually i hadnt realized there's only 2 boots in the entire pool

[mighty valley]

yeah at this point sparks are just used for whatever slots need a catch up

would wait til after a vault

but then either one is fine

[lusty grotto]

i suppose if you dont raid myth, and are not gonna get to soul hunters any time soon, that you can craft it

[sick whale]

there's also hero track delve boots, I think the only way outside of a raid you can get haste/crit

[lusty grotto]

yup

[sick whale]

takes a lot of lucky to get those too (not me this season)

[lusty grotto]

but technically delve loot isnt farmable

[solid sun]

I realized today that I hadn’t added settings to my jewelry

[lusty grotto]

oh no

[solid sun]

Thankfully one of the homies has settings and gems so I was able to get them cheap but still

I’ve been missing out on all them stats

[undone beacon]

I crafted boots cuz im lowest prio in a plate heavy raid group so

[sick merlin]

I don’t raid yeah and just haven’t had any hero ones yet, just unlucky

I’ll probably get two this week in vault if I craft them

[frosty mango]

rsham dps is out of control

bliz pls buff the rest of us

[molten vault]

Does anyone use Bind Binding of Binding embellishnwnt? I’m wondering if it’s worth using even if I’m not alwyas playing with someone who has it.

[sick whale]

I crafted my boots too, had bad lucky with drops and I don't raid, so my m+ boots are haste/mast or vers/mast. Waiting to craft my 4th item next week. I'm lucky I got weapon (myth track mace from eco dome)

[molten vault]

I don’t think that ever makes sense to craft boots this season lol. Even the hero track ones are 100% worth over 723 boots

And you can just pug heroic, in fact one of my alts just got boots from the weekly quest haha

[bold shard]

i'm a level 72 prot warrior now 😄 I really like them

one thing I've noticed is how I take an extremely low amount of damage

its fascinating, i'm not really sure whats causing that, but its like everything hits me for only a slim fraction of what it hits other classes for

I don't have that many self-heals but it doesn't matter, I take very little damage

[blazing shuttle]

It helps a lot. Including a huge amount of armour.

[bold shard]

yar!

[blazing shuttle]

Especially when you pop demo shout.

[sick whale]

I got crap from weekly quest 🙁 was hoping to get ire but got it on my dk instead

[waxen cradle]

I opened mine as Fury by accident though... I am looking for weapons for Fury and got one so not too bad either way

Not a big deal will get brand eventually... not too overly concerned

[jagged gust]

I got Ire on my SP

which was... upsetting

[grim pilot]

U don’t bind the embel to the other person, u just let it buff people randomly

[blazing shuttle]

Ire? A tank trinket? On a dps?

That, uh, sounds a bit weird.

[strange night]

Hi guys, i was wondering if any of you have damage inconsistancies in mythic + .
I figured sometimes during big aoe lust pulls i cannot fish for any procs and my damage is quite low as a result.

[ionic fern]

Why?

Or what is the issue?

[torpid dome]

tough to say anything about it without logs

[strange night]

Let's say for exemple on tye first pull of floodgate my dps can go from 8M to 14M from one key ti another depending of TBs proc from SS and TBs proc from 4p

[fathom oasis]

During Avatar you are perma cranking

Or should be

[strange night]

It can be quite frustrating and i was wondering if anyone has had the same happened

[fathom oasis]

All that rage should also get that 2nd avatar insanely quick

Are you spending rage appropriately?

Do you have a log of any dungeon where you felt this way?

[fathom oasis]

Maybe it dropped and no tank needed it so he hit greed and got it. In guild runs it is not that unusual for both tanks to already have it

In pugs you are kinda guaranteed to have some impostor dps that are only there for that trinket

[ionic fern]

It fully depends on your cd's available. How long the pull lives,how you position yourself ,targets hit etc..

[hearty terrace]

Hey guys quick one with the close to 50/50 split of Ppal an Pwar why would we pick 1 over the other
Thanks 🙂

[brave otter]

Guys, how to fix this? I keep pressing revenge like back when I lvl pwar In wotlk prepatch

[hidden linden]

Remove the bind

I'm semi serious

If it's just muscle memory then create a macro to revenge on a modifier and do nothing on simple press, so casting it is a deliberate action

[fathom oasis]

Swap revenge binding with Ignore Pain

It's still not good, but will be better than that

[frigid plume]

when i went from colossus to thane i swapped my revenge and thunderclap binds

[brave otter]

I just saw other logs, keep getting revenge as 2nd most casted abilities

1st is sometime TB & SS

[fathom oasis]

In general terms, pwar has better mitigation and damage, but ppal is very strong at interrupting lots of mobs, has a bit more sustain and strong short duration defensive CDs

[brave otter]

I'mma try to put it on shift + Z where I usually put my defensive

[fathom oasis]

How many IP casts

[brave otter]

8,1 cpm on that log

Which is 4th

[hearty terrace]

When you mean more damage you mean AP + close to the same damage as Ppal it is ahead coz of AP buff ?

[fathom oasis]

What dungeon is that?

[brave otter]

14 floodgate

[fathom oasis]

How much rage did you overcap, do you know how to check?

There's no way you don't overcap a lot of rage if IP is not your no. 1 cast

[brave otter]

This one?

[fathom oasis]

Huh, you didnt overcap that much tbf, but probably because you are not generating as much as you should, either

I gained 18.5k rage over a 12 FG that was 24 mins long

[brave otter]

Yeah that was the main problem

[fathom oasis]

How many avatars did you cast?

[brave otter]

I have like this weird habit when tanking, I keep back stepping so sometime I can't cast shield slam

Avatar cpm were 1,4

46 cast in total

[fathom oasis]

Not too bad either, I think just make sure you can hit your SS if that's what's keeping you from casting more

Could even have a macro on a separate button to cast SS on the closest enemy

[brave otter]

Yeah bad habits, if I don't juggle my A / D when tanking I feel bored

[hearty terrace]

What’s the go with reveng now? Do we not cast it ? Or is it a very little thing keep up Your IP and Shild block and you win?

[brave otter]

I can't just stand there even when there's no aoe

[brave otter]

Wait, this exist? Mind to share it?

[frigid plume]

it's your filler spell so you end up casting it a lot when everything else is on cooldown to fish for shield slam procs but you would rather be casting something else

[fathom oasis]

It's just a clear target followed by a targetenemy

[hearty terrace]

Got ya I am talking M+ I only play M+

[brave otter]

Ahh okok, I think I know how to make it myself, ty thou

[pallid quiver]

There's no difference in our rotation prio in raid or M+

Particularly as Mountain Thane, there's not many modifiers going into revenge, so it doesn't do as much even damage wise. Its main purpose is to fill globals to restart the cycle by resetting Shield Slam

[hearty terrace]

Got ya thanks

[ashen shale]

https://tenor.com/view/ronnie-coleman-prot-warrior-tbc-wow-chad-class-gif-24723206

[steady pond]

I was having kinda the same problem, my problem was pressing too much revenge, someone here said I should press IP when around ~60 so when I'm out of SS or TC I can send a few revenges to fish for procs, im new to prot warrior but this made my gameplay feels way smoother

[fathom oasis]

70 is generally regarded as the better threshold, but yeah

It's important to not rage starve when you need to fish for resets

[somber hollow]

when playing into the fray on ST, do i pretty much use shield block/shield charge on cd to never run out of shield block uptime?

[cerulean tusk]

Yep

[somber hollow]

okok ty

[viscid lantern]

what average dmg should i have at a 10's key as a 705 prot war?

sorry ''Overall''

[high latch]

Very much depends on which key and your routes. You can always compare yourself to others on Warcraftlogs.

And your build. There's a decent difference between something like the execute build and the more defensive/push build.

[fathom oasis]

Most you can do is check logs of that specific key, find people who perform a similar route with a comp that is relatively the same, and compare yourself to that

Instead of focusing on your damage, you can look at a few things that are easy to check in a log:

• Are you properly spending rage and not floating it?
• Are you using your damage CDs as many times as possible?
• Do you maintain a correct Shield Block uptime?
• Are you making a reasonable use of your defensive CDs?
• Are you sending as many SSs as possible?

[west ferry]

Hi guys, I can craft a 701 and a 720 item should I make a 720 shield and 701 weapon or something else? I am ilvl 688 and this is my current build

[fathom oasis]

You mean 704?

[west ferry]

704 yeah my bad

[fathom oasis]

Yeah, do 720 shield, 704 weapon and recraft weapon at 720 as soon as you get the gildeds for it

[ocean smelt]

Tbh I wouldn't bother with a 704 weapon when yours is already 694, maybe craft a good 704 ring and do the weapon straight to 720

[west ferry]

I can also upgrade the weapon since it's 1/6

[fathom oasis]

Just upgrade it to 704 using runed crests then

[viscid lantern]

i read the protection section like 3 weeks now. I think i follow all the ''rules'' of gameplay. If you want you can check and give me a headsup? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/agrqv8nWYwzVxjyt?fight=4&type=summary

[west ferry]

I upgraded it for free so I still have enough crests for a 704 craft

[fathom oasis]

You are overcapping too much rage (12%) and pressing Revenge too much

Remember that even if you are close to rage capped, if Shield Slam is up, you just press Ignore Pain and Shield Slam

Dont get carried away pressing Revenge

[west ferry]

Should I craft the second one because it has an embllishment?

[fathom oasis]

You want to dump rage fast so you get more Avatars

[torpid dome]

no

[west ferry]

oh okay

[fathom oasis]

No, embellishments on your bracers and belt

[viscid lantern]

allright ty 🙂

[west ferry]

I still have delve belt for now

I shouldn't add anything to the shield I'll craft?

[fathom oasis]

No embellishments, no

You'll try and replace it when you get a myth shield

[torpid dome]

You can add an embellishment to your shield

but know that you need to purchase all crafting materials again, to remove it later

but you can also just remove the embellish when you craft your belt in a few weeks

[fathom oasis]

What have you crafted so far?

You should be able to craft 4 things

[toxic gyro]

Shield > weapon > embellishments > ilvl upgrades

Pretty simple

[west ferry]

Nothing so far I took a bit of a break so I can only craft the 720 and 704

correction I did craft a 2 hander but I decided not to pursue that direction with my warrior

[fathom oasis]

You can do shield > weapon > bracers > belt and then whatever low ilvl you still have by the time you get your 5th spark

Aah

So you only have 2 crafts available?

[west ferry]

yes

[toxic gyro]

If you crafted 2h weapon you’re kinda cursed to craft more weapons. Wasting a lot of gilded, but if you’re casually playing it doesn’t matter. They will uncap the gilded soon enough.

[west ferry]

I used the free one from the campaign to craft that

from story mode dimensius

[fathom oasis]

Well, at least you didnt waste gildeds

Still, rip 2 sparks

[west ferry]

yup

I saw I can get a lot of sparks from LFR

[fathom oasis]

Go ahead an use embellishes on wep+shield

[west ferry]

I don't know if I just got lucky

[fathom oasis]

You can recraft in 2 weeks

[fathom oasis]

Many ways to get them but capped at 4 right now

[toxic gyro]

Catch up spark drops from any content very fast. Current week is from weekly quest with pinnacle cache.

[half tinsel]

Any advice on how to handle the trash before last boss on Ara-Kara? Worst bit of that dungeon for me :/

[fathom oasis]

What's your route like

Many people are doing middle lane nowadays

Which is pretty self explanatory

[half tinsel]

Aaah that might be easier, i go down the left side

following a dorki route i think

[fathom oasis]

People are favoring middle nowadays I think

You prio dps the bloodguard while kicking the overseers

[half tinsel]

Makes sense i guess, less of that stacking debuff

[fathom oasis]

You can also do one last pack after boss, on the right side

[high latch]

The stacking debuff is mostly a healer mechanic. You have some tricks up your sleeve, but without dispells they will suck.

[fathom oasis]

Avatar resets stacks

[half tinsel]

Yeah i try to use avatar if i have it up

what about berserker rage?

[high latch]

Avatar resets, Leap can come in clutch.

Berserker rage doesn't affect slows.

[half tinsel]

yeah thought so

[fathom oasis]

Freedom helps too

Tiger thing from monks

[half tinsel]

thanks for advice i'll look at MDT and plan a route down the middle, with a potential pack after 🙂

[fathom oasis]

Any magic dispell

[high latch]

I would never hold Avatar for more than a couple of seconds, but it's mostly just getting dispells from your healer. Everything else are bandaids.

[fathom oasis]

Nah, just burn rage fast so you can get it back

Yeah

[half tinsel]

lol

[fathom oasis]

Save leap if circles show up and you simply cannot move

Because it's not a root so you can still leap

[half tinsel]

Fair point, I also try use leap if i'm stuck and need to avoid webs. And it might help once in the pack, but then i feel i'm getting stuck soon after.

What route do both of you take for that trash?

[high latch]

Yeah, Leap is just a small reprieve. You'll get stuck again without dispells or something to actually remove the debuff.

Personally I first go middle, do boss, then finish on the east path

[toxic gyro]

You use leap to avoid webs. Intervene works too, but ultimately you need to get dispelled before or as webs drop so you can move out of them.

You can escape few but debuff stacked high enough will kill you.

[half tinsel]

Out of interest, if you were to choose a path with the drones that stack debuff, should dps be prioritising them? Or just healer dispell and the drones will get AoE'd down anyway

[high latch]

Nah you just cleave as ususal

and get dispelled.

[fathom oasis]

you can break up pull nr. 1 though

in 2 pulls

something like this

[half tinsel]

Thanks, helpful. I like the look of that. The pack at the end meaning I won't have to wait for the small group on pull 13.

[fathom oasis]

you can fine tune a bit of % here and there

you can leave out those 4 if you don't like them and pull anything extra on that first plaform to the right

if you do split up pull 1 into 2 pulls, it's a good idea to pull a few more so people can blow some CDs

[half tinsel]

Yeah nice thinking.

[fathom oasis]

this is also a great reference if you want to learn how to do the big first pull: #protection message

[toxic gyro]

Everyone is gonna blow cds on pull 1 and pull 2 with 3 casters gonna live forever. Better to pull 1 or 2casters with first pull if you’re splitting. What kills ppl on those pulls are always bolts/barrage not random dmg from spits.

[fathom oasis]

how would you remove any of those 2 casters in pull 2, on a non coordinated pug? cc pat?

high key routes do all kinds of stuff with that pat (some skip it altogether) but I don't know how well that translates for your random pug of the mill

[toxic gyro]

Only pull patrol or patrol with first pull.

[toxic gyro]

Random skips never good in pugs. Especially on low keys

[fathom oasis]

i feel like 2 casters + boss should be doable, but i guess you could do that yea

[eager phoenix]

This. I'd also consider taking the two Crawlers that are on the bridge to main platform (G15) into 1st mini as funnel. 2 kicks and some poison removal.

[toxic gyro]

It is with kicks and stops. As long as ppl don’t get combo’ed or double bolted it’s fine.

[cerulean tusk]

Is Brand ICD hasted, if anyone know before I check?

[round pendant]

isn't this like pretty over count

oh I didn't see you don't take a side pack after last boss

nvm

[fathom oasis]

yeah, since that route does some extra packs at the start you can leave those out. Just in general, separating that big pull is awkward (CD+BL wise) but doing it all on 1 pull can be scary

just one of the reasons people don't like Ara Kara, I guess

[round pendant]

yeah giga pull is so cringe

but mandatory imo

not doing it just loses you like 1 minute

and AK timer is pretty tight

[fathom oasis]

yeah, it all depends on how loose you are in the time department

if your pug does good dps it may be worth to split those up and just not die

but if time is tight, not doing it could mean depleting

[solid sun]

You mean the first pull of AK?

[fathom oasis]

yeah

[solid sun]

Last I heard Roid doesn’t do the giga pull and isn’t he doing like 16s?

[round pendant]

this is what I've been doing

[fathom oasis]

i like funneling 6 a bit more than 4

[round pendant]

yeah I adjust if I'm with a funnel class

[fathom oasis]

8 is MonkaS

but i guess it's one of those pulls were you slowly chainpull

[round pendant]

8 is chill you just chain after killing the first stagshell

[bleak scaffold]

Never did it successfully in PUG, always a DPS that take some aggro before I can get t othe last pack or missing kicks and casters staying away

[round pendant]

you can take both if your group is good and you got a dk tho

[fathom oasis]

or just all at once, with stops?