the achievement isnt changing
#protection
lusty grotto
lone current
Nice, ty
lusty grotto
unless they decide otherwise at the last minute
round cliff
my legs feel like jelly
my lower back feels like a rock
i am going to wake up and not be able to move
round cliff
doms except the delay is rn
round cliff
i just got back into my workout routine cuz im not working as a mechanic anymore
so my job isnt gonna keep me fit anymore
lusty grotto
thats good
round cliff
and i am so out of shape and its fucking me up
round cliff
ig my lower back was never really in shape to begin with
romanian deadlifts got me FUCKED up
lusty grotto
lofty glen
is the Rookery belt okay stat wise?
pallid quiver
uhhhhhhhhhhhhh
what's it got on it other than str
ionic fern
Stats.
pallid quiver
thanks mwahi, you saved me
ionic fern
lofty glen
haste mastery
pallid quiver
Oh, it's haste/mast with more mast than haste
It's still haste, and you probably want a single piece splash of mastery somewhere
If it's higher ilvl, just slap it on; if it's the same ilvl and no other haste belt, probably slap it on, then sim otherwise
lofty glen
the problem is that i dont get a socked from vault and have the belt + 2 more worse backs that i already have on mythtrack
pallid quiver
Oh, it's a vault pick? Kind of up to you, then; do note there is also the ilvl increase, so it can potentially go to even higher
Which might be worth more than the socket
Depends how much of a long game you're playing
Crafted gear also gets an ilvl boost
lofty glen
If it's higher ilvl, just slap it on; if it's the same ilvl and no other haste b...
i simmed and it saied belt but i dont know how to feel about cause i was thinking about crafting a belt. now it will be boots
lofty glen
Which might be worth more than the socket
i cant even get a socket cuase i have not enogh invault XD
pallid quiver
What are we comparing against? A belt and two backs, then, or what?
It's three slots in vault for a socket, so not that, then, right?
unborn island
With the belt, if it's myth track you can catalyse it (you should have a spare?) and the stats become very good (crit/haste)
If I get a belt with stats I don't like that what I'm going to do anyway.
lofty glen
With the belt, if it's myth track you can catalyse it (you should have a spare?)...
thats giga. i have 2 spare with this week
lofty glen
well i have https://www.wowhead.com/item=228886/coin-operated-girdle right now so it would be better anyways
unborn island
Guess you can always sim, I just wanted to flag the option 🙂
That might actually be better if myth because of how it fits with your other stats
lofty glen
nah thats big and ill force it to be the backalley gird
lofty glen
na hero
lofty glen
nah i got 2 backs too with omega bad stats. and i already have the flood Haste mastery on myth
lofty glen
ye gonna craft boots
lusty grotto
craft whatever you dont have myth in first
lusty grotto
sure i guess
mild pendant
Using crafted shield + hero tome/hero pacemaker.
Do i take the tokens this week?
lusty grotto
pick shield
lofty glen
shield XD
lusty grotto
myth shield >>>> crafted shield
mild pendant
Myhth vers/mast though
lusty grotto
myth shield >>>> crafted shield >>> hero gally shield or any hero shield
doesnt matter
you want the block
not the stats
mild pendant
kk
lofty glen
and its crit haste too
pallid quiver
Shield is the only source of block value from gear to clarify why
lusty grotto
priory wall isnt crit haste
mild pendant
Its not crit/haste
lofty glen
oooooh its the priory sorry
pallid quiver
even if it's not haste/crit, even if it's vers/mast, as long as it has secondary stats, easy pickup
lusty grotto
didnt even think about it
lofty glen
thats my actual gear
what would you do next week? hinking about mythtrack mud or tome compared to hero bombsuid
lusty grotto
you need 3 weeks for the first pick
mild pendant
Damn. I had a crit/haste shield last week and didnt take it. Was thinking it was only 3 ilvl upgrade. But got crit/haste/avoid writs
lusty grotto
3 tokens = 1 item
mild pendant
I think they said first 3 tokens all come in week 1
lofty glen
you need 3 weeks for the first pick
lofty glen
I think they said first 3 tokens all come in week 1
yes
lusty grotto
ok thats good to know i guess
mild pendant
Was changed when people complained
lusty grotto
i aint picking shit
until i kill 1ab
hero bombsuit is better than myth mud
except for maybe in floodgate
and thats a BIG HUGE maybe
theres only 2 items from keys that are worth dinars
mild pendant
tome/pace?
lusty grotto
pace and tome, and that also depends if you raid or not, they are not absolute
lofty glen
pace and tome, and that also depends if you raid or not, they are not absolute
i dont raid
lusty grotto
then pace and tome
lofty glen
and i want more survivability and not dmg so pace falls of
lusty grotto
youre wasting a dinar by buying a myth tome
if you have hero bombsuit
thats all im gonna say
lofty glen
i dont have bombsuit. thats what i wanna buy
lusty grotto
ok youre good then
lofty glen
you can buy all hero track gear from raid without even raiding.
lusty grotto
yeah im aware of that one
mild pendant
What keys is bomb betyter than tome?
lusty grotto
hero bomb suit is still better btw
all of them
except floodgate
shorter cd
partial absorb
its better in every way
lofty glen
so next week i run tome and bombsuit hero i guess XD
lusty grotto
if youre a VDH, that is completely different
cause FS might trigger the cdr on Mud
but of course only if you play FS 🙂
lofty glen
but bombsuit is nobrainer on all tanks no?
ionic fern
You don't need no Dinar handouts. Just ignore the quest.
ionic fern
another week no tome in vault
lofty glen
is any other raid item better on hero than all myth track dungeon items? like mby the rare ring?
sharp gale
I just took normal eye of rezan in my vault today bc it’s better than my dungeons trinket and mythic lock n stalk for what I want, but I don’t think I’m a good example since I mostly mythic raid
hearty terrace
sharp gale
Next
unborn island
Yeah, might try make a premade and just invite loads of people with 10s or something to spam crests
sharp gale
And in 2 weeks, best content of WoW is coming back
How many crests for a 10 ?
Is it 16 ?
jagged pier
16
sharp gale
Oh boy, gotta do 25+ 10s next Wednesday before raid
It would take maybe 16 hours, if I start at 6 am mmmh
ionic fern
next weekend gunna be busy
What's going on?
jagged pier
i wont be happy but ill chill
ionic fern
sinful copper
all pieces get 8 ilvls more to upgrade
6, right?
unborn island
My friend who only raids and still struggles to get his +10s done is gonna be very happy for the boost spam I think
sharp gale
It is beyond boost spam at this point, 2 lvl x 16 slots
unborn island
Yeah, so only 32x +10s...actually Christ that's loads.
Actually can we do gilded buys with all our saved up runed?
That'll take the edge off somewhat
sharp gale
Yeah, so only 32x +10s...actually Christ that's loads.
you will get the achievement before so at one point it will be 10 crests to upgrade
but crafts will need 30 for 2 lvl if i remember how it will work
unborn island
I imagine I'll get quite a few from converting all of my lower crests?
I think I've overcapped gilded and runed every week and not used a runed crest for about 4/5 weeks
sharp gale
im working on it
nocturne vine
Dear warriors, need a suggestion, i have a tome myth from priory in the vault but i have a tome hc with leech equipped, shall i pick it? Or keep the one with leech
jagged pier
yes u take it
nocturne vine
So better ilvl than leech ok got it
jagged pier
always
patent scroll
I too got a Priory trinket in vault, it was Signet 
And it was also overwhelmingly the best choice so I guess I'm a 2 minute gamer now
tender tulip
sorry if it's been asked before, i can't seem to find any firm numbers, do you know how much haste we need to be aiming for these days as minimum?
lofty glen
And it was also overwhelmingly the best choice so I guess I'm a 2 minute gamer n...
just time it with pi and make your dps happy
sharp gale
i am not happy
sinful copper
And you may never see it again
What u mean never see it again ...? Dinars next week lol
sinful copper
Dear warriors, need a suggestion, i have a tome myth from priory in the vault bu...
If u have any non trinket upgrades, I'd grab that instead.
fading obsidian
how big are 3 ilvl on weapon and shield?
sinful copper
Have u guys already replaced your circes circlet?
mild river
Anyone has a 1st pull in priory that does not include a knight? I mean miniboss + packs with no knight?
I'm reaching 15s now and that combo already broke 3 priory keys
Is it a "git good" situation?
unborn island
Anyone has a 1st pull in priory that does not include a knight? I mean miniboss ...
Watch Yoda's +16 warrior video. I want to try doing it that way/maybe a smaller number of casters per pull between Suleyman and Emberlanz, but that structure.
The knight pulls have a huge variability in success and so aren't reliable in pugs IMO.
unborn island
What u mean never see it again ...? Dinars next week lol
Of course, I'm an idiot 🙂
patent scroll
One knight is pretty standard, there was some monstrosity that was done on the tournament realm that skips the whole start
But something like this being the first pull shouldn't be an issue, just lust and blast it down so you only get a single shout https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/226301753086181377/1369410582431793152/image.png?ex=681c6b3d&is=681b19bd&hm=9bcce39d5e117d164f9ab82460c2fc26a8c751adaf2fbbd03429110646adf468&
unborn island
One knight is the standard pull I agree, I just think that it creates too much variability and the difficult level of that pull is like 3x the rest of the dungeon. When I was doing it in 14, I probably bricked 10 keys because of people just going splat, when I got a team which executed it perfectly, we timed the key with 6 minutes to spare.
I think it would be easier to skip the knights if possible and make up the count elsewhere, so want to try it 🙂
patent scroll
Well there is this, although it's already been edited slightly https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/226301753086181377/1369435549969940552/image.png?ex=681c827d&is=681b30fd&hm=9415ffb00cee79555c6daa4cdc01677ada58adeb8aed7d37e0afd2d3c6013187&
I take no responsibility for the runs success
unborn island
Is what I want to try. You invis/jump past the first pack once it runs down the stairs and then just avoid the patrol, tank suleyman on the stairs near that caster pack.
Could chain in the other fountain pack after too
I went in and practiced the gathering in m0 a bunch of times yesterday, it's actually way easier as well.
I make up for the slightly lower % by pulling the light spawn packs near aemya
Note I haven't tried this, but I think it would be a much more reliable/easier route than the Suleyman+knight pull
unborn island
Variations on a theme I think - very similar to mine 🙂
lucid mica
Yess
unborn island
I just would be concerned about that many casters in one pull on a pug. A DK could probably just delete them with lust though
But obviously seen people do that, so maybe it's fine 🙂
thorny stone
thats similar to what we do (premade with a rogue)
unborn island
How rough are the kicks on pull 1?
Or do you run disrupting shout and have beam as well?
lucid mica
whats that knekro hahaha, mmm i guess pull 1 with aoe kick and bl adds will just vanish
And about pulling the lynx pull with boss what do you think? Its not dangerous afaik and youd have more resources to use in surviving i guess?
unborn island
I personally will never pull anything onto dailcry
thorny stone
Or do you run disrupting shout and have beam as well?
aoe kick from shout, bl an we rotate cc if needed (premade of 5) we dont have beam, we usually run pwarrior, holy priest, destro warr, devo evoker and assa rogue
lucid mica
Its because it removes bleeds no?
mild river
Just preservation can remove bleed? Or the dragon class as a whole can do it?
mild river
Oh that's huge. I didn't know. Thanks for all the tips, guys
lofty glen
any other raid item better on hero than all myth track dungeon items?
beside bombsuit
frigid valley
is the stupid unlock for dinars account or character wide?
steady pollen
Ok, as a baby prot in 10s, I feel like I'm getting chewed up on gathering mobs, should I be moving slowly?
Guess I can watch some vods, but as Bear/VDH I move very fast through and self sustain till heals catches up
Warriors been getting dangerous though doing similar
strong forum
Use cds like SW and LS to gather
Your offensive cds are then there to stabilise you once the pull is setup
steady pollen
Should I be trying to establish actual threat pack to pack as I move
or just throw an axe at 1, 2, 3 wait for them to bunch, which is my general strategy
issue there is people yanking aggro
solid sun
People aggroing mobs while you gather is generally a them problem and is fixed by them dying so they learn
steady pollen
100%
lucid mica
or just throw an axe at 1, 2, 3 wait for them to bunch, which is my general stra...
Yeah if you do that your healer gets killed at least from my experience
steady pollen
just trying to get the feel though, if I should be hitting a pack with a revenger / thunderclap
before moving to grab the next
solid sun
Like in priory those first four mobs aggro to me because I mount up and ride through them
I don’t even start attacking until I get to the second group and then I start using taunts and axes to gather stuff to me and clap and roar as everything reaches me
If anyone pulls aggro during that, at least their run back is quick
steady pollen
I tend to hang on to roar for the silence
lucid mica
You are mixing up spells
lucid mica
Yep (not stupid hahaha)
solid sun
Some groupings are a lot easier than others, too
It just kinda depends, case by case, but there will be packs you pull to you with just a heroic throw or a taunt
tardy sequoia
Why did petko put prot higher on yesterday tier list? Was there a buff?
Damage maybe?
unborn island
Probably people just realising that we are actually good?
strong forum
just trying to get the feel though, if I should be hitting a pack with a revenge...
Yes
strong forum
Why did petko put prot higher on yesterday tier list? Was there a buff?
Tgp probably
Bunch of people have or are prepping pwars for MDI
I haven't watched last weekend so idk if I just spoiled smth
eager phoenix
influencers too scared about being trendy. guess mdi made it kosher to bump pwar up
strong forum
But yeah, tldr is Disrupting Shout stonks
And tierlists are petkos thing, He does them based on his own personal opinion
And if he had played with or seen a good pwar in the last week, that's a good chance to influence it
Since he does it weekly
edgy oxide
sorry if the question is stupid but i havent found anything on this shield. is the bonus effect good enough to counter the missing stats or am i better off not taking it
edgy oxide
thought so. 
thanks
strong forum
Big meme
jagged pier
the comparison last season was that random proc stopped 2 spells in a m0
strong forum
Ya like 3.5mil when you have 16mil hp or smth
Or well, with this shield you'll have like 14mil
So whatever possible thing you could gain
You lose way more through you the dungeon
hardy snow
it would need to have like 10s CD instead of 2min to even consider
frosty mango
Even then
The shield would need to be massive to offset the persistent loss of health
mortal spear
For mugzee mythic. Should I as a prot warrior be having an issue living with bop and popping mines?
Sometimes I feel I take 0 dmg, other times I’m taking 22 mill with the same set of defensives
true quail
I am a new convert and am loving prot. Question, does anyone run Brutal Vitality over Fueled by Violence? most guides go FbV, but main it feels like BV is smoother over all
lofty warren
What will be the pwar retrospective wish list items?
jagged pier
Sometimes I feel I take 0 dmg, other times I’m taking 22 mill with the same set ...
r u facing the boss when u take 22 mil damage?
mortal spear
r u facing the boss when u take 22 mil damage?
I have to face the boss while popping mines?
jagged pier
well are u using spell block?
mortal spear
Yes
It counts as blockable dmg from boss, while popping mines? If so then that probably answers alot of questions
jagged pier
i believe so
but i have heard its a bit buggy
same as party pack probably counts the damage as coming from the boss for some reason
so face it i guess
and see
it might aslo be u have to face the mines, and they are desync'd from their actual location
in that case u need them to be rooted so it updates their position
jagged pier
they arent stationary
jagged pier
we are talking about mugzee
mortal spear
We’re talking about mugzee
jagged pier
perhaps u should read before making snarky comments 
solid sun
Oh I saw party pack and assumed we were talking about sprocket
mortal spear
I watched sense doit in his video no issue. Okay maybe it’s a direction thing then with block
jagged pier
i mean sense i checked and theres only 1 mine where the boss is on the edge of the 180 block cone
solid sun
I did read. Just not all of it. And the snark was directed at blizzard for needing to root something to update positioning
jagged pier
I watched sense doit in his video no issue. Okay maybe it’s a direction thing th...
his mines are also rooted form the get go
so they arent desyncing
mortal spear
Yeah ours were rooted to for the most part. Maybe was just some weird desync ones
That weren’t rooted
I’ll try a couple of things tomorrow. Thanks for the response
frosty mango
I ran into this same problem, started shockwaving them and that seemed to make a difference
Also don’t charge them because for whatever reason that usually led to more damage
Well not to say dont but anecdotally I felt like that always ended badly
mortal spear
Awesome thanks!
solid sun
Are you taking two rounds of the debuff that gets passed around during the second boss of rookery in higher keys? Or do you have everyone take one round
Or does it just depend on who has defensives to use on it
jagged pier
u shouldnt need a defensive for the first stack
in the 13 i did they group kept putting it back on me just use a defensive on second stack if it comes to u i guess
inner belfry
same as party pack probably counts the damage as coming from the boss for some r...
oh shit, this answear some questions
lime tinsel
is the hero track titan of industry with its proc going to be better than a crafted/already 6of6 myth track shield? I assume not but i got the shiny toy and wanted to play with it 😦
lusty grotto
no
dusky canopy
All I want to do is oblivion and chill but this job shit playin
tardy sequoia
All I want to do is oblivion and chill but this job shit playin
Stop you violated the law
dusky canopy
(Resist arrest!)
solid sun
How many times have you been arrested, Brew
open harbor
I have champion chest and boots, 2 A tier trinkets. should I go for HoC? I mainly raid but I do keys on the side. mainly just going for 3k io /farm +10s. What should I get ?
harsh trellis
I have champion chest and boots, 2 A tier trinkets. should I go for HoC? I mainl...
how far along in your raid are you
open harbor
how far along in your raid are you
Just got AOTC, pushing Mythic
harsh trellis
and your chest is just champion and you have a hero trac one there?
upgrade the chest
open harbor
Ok but what about 4 piece?
harsh trellis
none of this gear matters really. not just yours just all of it in general. Next week we get dinars
harsh trellis
whats your armory page so we can see what gear you have?
solid sun
Are you already tanking mythic? Or just will be in the future
Bro you asked for their armory and they ran away
solid sun
Do you think Vel was granny shifting and not doubling clutching like you’re supposed to
harsh trellis
No idea but what he fails to realize is that little back and forth basically kickstarted one of the biggest familes in history
fierce raptor
none of this gear matters really. not just yours just all of it in general. Next...
Don’t we only get to make the first dinar purchase on like, the 30th?
harsh trellis
you can if you want
fierce raptor
What?
dusky canopy
First dinar is next week isn’t it?
harsh trellis
yes
dusky canopy
Thought they changed it so we get a purchase right when it launches
fierce raptor
Missed that I guess
true blade
How do you guys choose gear and manage stats since raidboot is only for damage? I would not use that. I am starting a new protection warrior, and I am not sure how to pick gear.
harsh trellis
How do you guys choose gear and manage stats since raidboot is only for damage? ...
You basically look at wowhead for BiS
then you get gear that does dmg, and use raidbots
dusky canopy
How do you guys choose gear and manage stats since raidboot is only for damage? ...
Gearing Crit/haste in general sense gives you the most damage and defense at the same time
To maximize dps you sim
Mastery isn’t a horrible stat either so you don’t necessarily want 0 of it
open harbor
whats your armory page so we can see what gear you have?
Sorry was in a key: https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/cenarius/velrihm/
open harbor
Are you already tanking mythic? Or just will be in the future
in the future. like this week
open harbor
Do you think Vel was granny shifting and not doubling clutching like you’re supp...
I float, brother lmao
harsh trellis
Sorry was in a key: https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/cena...
you got some nice gear... so you can go for the chest and catalyze it if you want.
open harbor
you got some nice gear... so you can go for the chest and catalyze it if you wan...
ok thank you bro. this is my second week on prot, I was a warlock and rerolled for raid group so i'm still figuring this out
open harbor
ok ty. what you think, could I not catalyze it? are the stats it has fine?
harsh trellis
I dont know what it has for stats
what I usually do in this instance is put it all into raidbots
and let the robot pick
harsh trellis
oh its crit mastery
open harbor
my current is crit/haste
harsh trellis
youll get haste and mastery
open harbor
ok i have no charges rn
harsh trellis
Your stats will balance out eventually with the gear you get further in mythic.
the robot has me gemming out vers and mastery at this point when I sim it all out
open harbor
oh really
frosty mango
There’s nothing wrong with mastery at all
Haste drives rage gen and shield block uptime which is why it’s highly important but after that all of the stats are decent (even gross dirty vers)
open harbor
Your stats will balance out eventually with the gear you get further in mythic.
Raidbots is saying take the trinket, but doesn't it sim just pure dps? that's not all that important for a tank. other things matter. so I might just take the hero chest and catalyze when i get a charge
patent scroll
I would argue that it's the only thing that matters, even as a tank, for the vaaaast majority of cases
harsh trellis
So heres the deal with that
patent scroll
Your stats are kinda irrelevant
besides getting enough haste for uptimes because yep scaling
harsh trellis
If you are new to tanking. And you do not have a healer you can trust
I like to take defensive based trinkets
and you have 2 great trinkets atm for that
open harbor
right I wanna hold those unless I get the book/other s tier one
so yeah I'm thinking chest. and yes we have good healers
harsh trellis
ok so did you also catalyze the chest in your sim?
open harbor
oh no lemme do that
lusty grotto
How do you guys choose gear and manage stats since raidboot is only for damage? ...
the only thing raidbots doesnt figure out is defensive trinkets (which only two are good this season) and shield contribution to our overall defense, more stats means more defense so like brew said a higher sim yields more defense
myth shield will always be a better pick
so its not rocket science at least when it comes to them
lusty grotto
over what
harsh trellis
its also taking it as base value and not bumping it up
lusty grotto
why arent you simming the HoC you got
oh you are
max everything you got
youre simming with the same ilvls but you have some lower track items
what would possibly yield more in the long run?
lusty grotto
max GV picks for sim
8/8 champ chest vs.... same ilvl but higher track chest?
does that make sense to you? because it shouldnt
solid sun
Granny shifting
sinful copper
I'm starting to tank 15s now - I see a lot of people flex ravager for thunderlord. When do you think that's necessary for each one? Is it dungeon specific?
lusty grotto
when you feel like you need it
likely you wont, if you play correctly
not at 15s
as ilvl increases, shit will hurt less
solid sun
Just use ravager because it’s ravager
steel cosmos
What are you guys using for movespeed? I just started my warrior alt, doin g+6 keys and its soooo slow to move around between packs and strechs of the dungeon. obv using charge, throw, rush when up but thats not helping run some of those hallways
lusty grotto
bounding stride
harsh trellis
What are you guys using for movespeed? I just started my warrior alt, doin g+6 k...
you playing a dwarf?
steel cosmos
you playing a dwarf?
Blef
open harbor
I don't have an issue with mobility as a warrior, but if it's that bad for you, be a Dark Iron Dwarf and get some speed enchants
steel cosmos
Maybe its just relatively bad, my main is a shaman.
steel cosmos
pick a taller race, longer legs.
open harbor
still HoC for dps
lusty grotto
Maybe its just relatively bad, my main is a shaman.
yeah i guess thats just perception
harsh trellis
no... but seriously after playing a warrior forever. I just know I got slow legs but I do manage to just charge , shield charge heroic leap... and then I just keep back peddling into more packs when trash dies
solid sun
If you’re open to grinding out some dungeons for hero track gear and can snag a hero track chest it’d make sense to do that and then pick up that house of cards imo
lusty grotto
still HoC for dps
sounds about right
open harbor
it's telling me to keep my champion chest even if I catalyze that hero track from vault
but this is just dps right
lusty grotto
HoC is rarer
open harbor
ok so what should i take from vault?
open harbor
so If I get tome, run HoC and tome?
lusty grotto
yes
lusty grotto
tome and HoC
no
no need to go to floodgate
with HoC
HoC is that good
a hero HoC does similar if not more dps than a pacemaker
a myth
pacemaker
solid sun
Just do +10s until you replace all your sub-hero track gear with hero track gear and get either a pacemaker or tome along the way and use one of them with HoC
lusty grotto
agreed
open harbor
ok so imma grab hoc
lusty grotto
HoC is the better pick, if only for that reason alone
you can just farm everything else, you cant farm HoC
except for once a week
open harbor
now when do Iuse it in rotation is the next quesiton? execute windows? demolish if I'm running demolish?
lusty grotto
whenever demo is up
nocturne spindle
bind it to demo shout
open harbor
oh that's a macro?
lusty grotto
avatar + demo (with HoC) into demolish
you can demo is base 1.5 min / 2 cd so it fits
nocturne spindle
yea my opener macro is demo avatar trinket then you hit demolish
and just use that as my default demo button
open harbor
yea my opener macro is demo avatar trinket then you hit demolish
can I get that macro?
open harbor
tyvm
lusty grotto
if on the 2nd, /use 14
open harbor
guys thanks so much I appreciate it
lusty grotto
cast, not case
open harbor
i caught that
lusty grotto
fixed jic
nocturne spindle
#showtooltip Demoralizing Shout
/use 13
/cast Avatar
/cast Demoralizing Shout
/cast shield block
the shield block part will probably make someone angry
so you can take that out
round cliff
wuh
harsh trellis
thats a crazy 1 button macro
lusty grotto
i mean i guess you can keep avatar in it too sure
open harbor
wow should I though? any reason not to?
lusty grotto
there are some edge cases but it shouldnt apply to you if youre only doing vault keys
so its probably fine
solid sun
What about mythic raid
open harbor
^
solid sun
I have no experience with those bosses so I can’t advise there
lusty grotto
yeah it doesnt matter for raid
shit doesnt hurt
and when it does, its because you didnt use spell block
open harbor
i am thinking you always want avatar for dmg window right
nocturne spindle
you usually send avatar on CD cuase it gets reduced so much by anger management
unless its really close to coming up with demolish
solid sun
Avatar also pops a little shield wall so there’s are cases where I believe it’s correct to utilize avatar as a defensive but that’s pretty rare. Like high keys fighting dailcry
lusty grotto
with proper play it will all sync
open harbor
cause your vulnerable for the demolish cast right
lusty grotto
no....
nocturne spindle
no just for deeeeps
lusty grotto
because avatar + demo shout gives you more damage
so you want a fat fucking demolish
youre not vulnerable with demolish lol
you can cast SB during it
open harbor
but doesn't shout just reduce the damage you receive?
open harbor
oooooh
solid sun
I really should try to find a group to do some mythic raiding in
open harbor
so it's avatar and shout with a prepot and trinket, then fat demolish
lusty grotto
yes and after demo you want everything else
SC / Troar or Spear
ravager should come up before avatar/demo though so it lasts for the full duration
round pendant
god imagine if demolish made you unable to block
that'd be such bad design
I'm surprised they didn't make it work like that
open harbor
does spear work on raid bosses?
round pendant
just not the root
nocturne spindle
guys i cant shockwave the casts, I have to save it for demolish
lusty grotto
yes its a fat nuke
open harbor
but the damage buff does
round pendant
yes
lusty grotto
and also a crit buff
if youre playing spear though
i would probably send it just before demolish
so the crit damage affects the following demolish
open harbor
right
small steeple
What about mythic raid
using avatar for shield wall is useful in a few spots in mythic raid
sharp gale
I think using shield wall for avatar more useful in raid than avatar to shield wall, I’ve yet to see mug and gally tho
main thistle
can you mind soothe with a priest the third last pack in mechagon workshop to skip the tinkers? Or is it too close to people if you want to run past them?
lusty grotto
you mean the patrol?
main thistle
lusty grotto
dark blue
main thistle
okay thanks bro
lusty grotto
i recommend you just leap
main thistle
but for team
lusty grotto
so the lemmings dont pre-pull the pack
yea
you just dont want them pre-pulling the last pack as they are coming around
cause then it'll agro everything
main thistle
y
lusty grotto
so you leap first, get agro and go inside the room
and then they go around them with soothe
narrow trellis
Is there a comprehensive writeup somewhere on exactly how much to delay avatar/shout/demolish to get them to lineup?
lusty grotto
if youre using rage correctly it wont be more than a couple of seconds
so no writeup is necessary
narrow trellis
That just is not true though, there is quite a bit of desync depending on how much procs you get and such.
nocturne spindle
avatar is very long
jagged pier
But u never hold anything more than a few seconds
If they dont line up they dont
U send it anyway
nocturne spindle
so even if you send it a good chunk ahead of demo its still active
lusty grotto
That just is not true though, there is quite a bit of desync depending on how mu...
i hope youre aware AM reduces Avatar cd
so "if youre using rage correctly" is important here
the only thing that youre delaying more than the other 2 cds is demolish
narrow trellis
I am getting demolish off cd a good 15 sec before avatar and shout on st for the second use most of the time
nocturne spindle
for demolish i dont think so, considering its effective cooldown is like 30 seconds
lusty grotto
im just trying to figure out what is apparently not true
narrow trellis
My question was if there is a writeup on how much it is worth to delay, or if someone has done some APL work on it.
jagged pier
I can tell u what the apl does
Its sends cds on cd
Because u loose too much rage and AM recycle and damage if u hold
U miss casts down the line which is less damage
solid sun
I’ve been counting demolish as a cd and sending it on cd also. Was that an oopsie
nocturne spindle
the only CD i actively hold is thunderous roar but thats for snap threat on pull reasons
but to specifically respond to you no there is no write up
if there is an amount to hold it its only in the 2-5 seconds range
narrow trellis
I am mostly fully geared and I have not played protw much earlier tiers, going for some rank 1 logs or somewhat close without griefing, so guides are a bit basic, wowanalyser is not super maintained for prot and from what I can me and others on logs are doing stuff differently.
jagged pier
Rank 1s literally depends on tier set procs at the correct time and kill times
Not get 35% uptime on set ggs go next
narrow trellis
Yes, but outside of stacking up jugg buff stacks and such there's quite a bit you can do
narrow trellis
Getting extra might stacks by revenging adds etc and making sure you get all demolish casts into at least a immovable object avatar etc
Is the link in the protection faq for the war within post/thread just broken also?
Or just work in progress
lusty grotto
Yes, but outside of stacking up jugg buff stacks and such there's quite a bit yo...
we're fully aware of the things you can do
you will still get outparsed depending on damage taken into tier
narrow trellis
Obviously
nocturne spindle
just get orange parses and call it a day
narrow trellis
lusty grotto
oh yeah that's locked until they figure out what to do with it
its not like it'll differ from the wowhead/icyveins guides anyway
narrow trellis
Sure, typically the wowhead and icyveins guides have pretty basic stuff and more indepth crap is in the class discord pinned and such
lusty grotto
yes but Nome and Mwahi are channel admins here
which both write it
what in-depth shit are you looking for
other than tome parsing, there's nothing else
narrow trellis
Every single tiny optimization the entire spec has.
lusty grotto
simming, not parsing
jagged pier
Your really overthinking it
lusty grotto
couldn't have put it better myself
nocturne spindle
we have 3 damage buttons
press them in the important order
hope other stuff lines up
zug zug
lusty grotto
sometimes i just wonder if people that ask about this shit are just working on combat bots
it crosses my mind
we had that one guy
that openly said he was doing it
jagged pier
Your looking for some secret there isnt one, pray u get a good kill time pray u get early jugg procs that keep going, pray u get over 30% teir set up time while u can hit the boss
And press buttins on cd
Thats about it
solid sun
Sometimes in my weekly keys I click my abilities instead of using my keybinds so I can dip nuggies in whichever sauce I’m preferring at the time
Pretty slick little optimization
jagged pier
Adds? Pray your dps dont burst them down
narrow trellis
I mean I am usually either tied with relo for brew open logs rank on mythic
I know how to pad
xd
solid sun
Idk if anyone knew this but secretly Naowh comes to me for advice on mdi pulls
Kinda a big deal
lusty grotto
careful, hes in the channel and has been since forever
solid sun
Surely the meme lord can sense a meme
chilly brook
I love how Naowh was cooking Yoda’s build
lusty grotto
you should have called him by his first name
solid sun
lol
narrow trellis
xd, who are doing most of the prot theorycrafting for the guides?
solid sun
I love how Naowh was cooking Yoda’s build
What kinda cooking
chilly brook
He literally said who like 5 lines up
chilly brook
What kinda cooking
Like roasting
lusty grotto
lol
narrow trellis
You just have like two people then doing everything?
solid sun
I don’t interact with Yoda’s channel or content very often but Naowh is pretty funny so I’m sure it was quality content
solid sun
Pwar isn’t a particularly complex spec, Qel, and the people who hang out here answering all the questions and writing the guides have a gross amount of pwar experience
It’s kinda covered pretty easily at this point
I think the only thing “missing” is wowanalyzer being taken care of
But you can just submit a log here and they’ll fix you up
narrow trellis
I guess, usually the other specs split it between like 5 or so people for apl, wowanalyzer, logs/gear and everything
jagged pier
We have more than 2
narrow trellis
Protw hasn't had much meta spotlight for a while doesn't exactly help either
jagged pier
But only 2 want their names out there
dusky canopy
The theory crafting community is big
lusty grotto
hmm..
frosty mango
The warrior community only needs 5 theorycrafters because their brains are so big
lusty grotto
surely there's something we're missing
and it will help this guy get consistent r1 parses
SURELY
frosty mango
They are more like smart hulk. The scene where he hands ant man a taco. We are ant man
dusky canopy
Have you seen Nomes hair!? Bro must be concealing a massive thinker with that badass hair
lusty grotto
if only we had 3 more people to help out ChatGPT
frosty mango
We need to just eat our tacos
frosty mango
if only we had 3 more people to help out ChatGPT
I’m going to set up a rag on the wowhead prot guide and then set a bit loose in this channel to answer questions
Then we can just meme all day while the robots do the work
narrow trellis
Broski, take a break, I am only asking if someone made a somewhat comprehensive writeup to save me some work. Stop being an idiot
narrow trellis
what
narrow trellis
I am an ethical parse moneky only on deep farm.
chilly brook
Broski, take a break, I am only asking if someone made a somewhat comprehensive ...
to save you some work on what?
prot has a super simple priority system
lusty grotto
thank god griff caught up on it
lusty grotto
narrow trellis
Yeah it is very simple, but there are some small things you can juggle, the horse is properly dead at this point
frosty mango
I just press all the buttons as hard as I can all the time and I get orange parses
nocturne spindle
Warriors have leap
banned
chilly brook
Yeah it is very simple, but there are some small things you can juggle, the hors...
like what other than holding SD procs?
frosty mango
From this single data point I concluded that prot warrior is not hard
narrow trellis
You fill all gcds on any tank spec you get orange with dps trinkets equiped
But ye
frosty mango
You fill all gcds on any tank spec you get orange with dps trinkets equiped
I did it with bombsuit and mud and I wasn’t wearing a helmet
That’s a lie I didn’t do that
solid sun
It’s cute y’all still equip trinkets
frosty mango
You fill all gcds on any tank spec you get orange with dps trinkets equiped
You would think yet literally every pug tank I come across is doing like 400k dps
solid sun
Crutches
frosty mango
I cringe when there’s no myth/heroic alt run and I have to pug because I know it’s gonna be a struggle
solid sun
I’ll tank with you
narrow trellis
Join a better guild
frosty mango
Demolish may as well be a taunt in a pug
solid sun
Put me in coach
frosty mango
Join a better guild
Are you suggesting I raid mythic on two characters in two guilds, or I should find one guild that is so good it has two mythic raids
Instructions unclear
narrow trellis
Either
solid sun
You have to raid mythic in the first guild and then faction swap and then mythic raid with the second guild
Or whatever it is Griff and Tettles were talking about yesterday
frosty mango
You have to raid mythic in the first guild and then faction swap and then mythic...
The old tettles Chinese special
frosty mango
Either
That’s so much work. Plus if I did that I would have one less thing to complain about here
I’m trying to replace roidstack here
lusty grotto
what were tettles and griff talking about yesterday? i missed that
frosty mango
what were tettles and griff talking about yesterday? i missed that
Chinese players doing faction swaps to get 3 mythic lockouts a week
Just loot abusing
lilac widget
how is ringing ritual mud as a def trink?
lusty grotto
worse than bomb suit
sharp gale
You just have like two people then doing everything?
those things usually revolve around collective intelligence
lusty grotto
mud is fine on floodgate
sharp gale
like speedruns tech in games, it's 10000 stinkers trying to break the game each differently and independantly from each other and gather together the results that makes glitch found in 1 day
lusty grotto
considering the plethora of dots there, it has decent cdr
but thats kind of the only dungeon that makes a difference with it
ionic fern
Shocker.
chilly brook
but thats kind of the only dungeon that makes a difference with it
I'm glad I'm not insane, saw a lot of RRM use on that key during MDI
sharp gale
Not one person suggested hekili for r1 parses
but does the 1 button macro will increase the logs parses thresholds mmmmh 🤔
sinful copper
on 15 ML, 3rd boss trucks me. is there a notification or something to look for when she starts doing massive magic dmg?
lusty grotto
on 15 ML, 3rd boss trucks me. is there a notification or something to look for w...
the notification is
whenever shes not casting
its entirely predictable
spell block
solid sun
The secondary notification is most of your health is suddenly gone
Not that something like this would ever happen to someone like me
sharp gale
and bsv icon popped
solid sun
I think there’s a long gap between when she casts anything
And then she also shoots once or twice between each propulsion?
Smth like that
I haven’t been in there in a couple weeks but Nimchip is entirely correct. It’s very predictable when you’ve seen it a few times
lusty grotto
when she splooges on to divide the room and targets a random person to further splooge
fight goes like this
autos on start -> room splooge -> targetted splooge -> 2x (or 3) autos -> leafblower x 3 -> longer set of autos -> room splooge and then rinse and repeat
thats the entire fight
solid sun
Is there any reason for me to not take every single dud on H Gally?
fringe musk
She splooge on her room til my leaf blows
solid sun
I ask because I’m helping another group get their aotc and the vdh keeps getting shredded by the machine gun where you take extra damage the further away you are
So I was thinking about just going after all the duds to help alleviate that
lusty grotto
hmm thinking
solid sun
I’m sure the real answer is that the vdh shouldn’t be getting shredded, but idk anything about playing that cursed ass spec so I can’t help them fix that
lusty grotto
i guess you could but
its worth a try i guess
to be honest its better if the VDH does it
if a tank is doing bombs only, it should be them
solid sun
I guess I could just taunt whenever he goes on his adventure
But part of me is worried about eating double purple cone things
Which I’ll live but I don’t think the rest of my squad will
lusty grotto
just gotta communicate
solid sun
When I got aotc the first time I did it with a Ppal buddy and we did not have this issue
sinful copper
She’s shooting you with raw magic
and it's active all the time? the magic autos?
sinful copper
no i mean, every time she autos, she will always do magic damage?
lusty grotto
yes the magic damage IS her autos
sinful copper
got it, ty! moving from one side to the other side is when my life dips to 20%
strong fox
The big hits happen during the transitions to new areas
sinful copper
yep thats the pain
lusty grotto
which i covered
strong fox
So defensive there
sinful copper
can i pre-move? is there a way to determine which spot is bad?
sinful copper
then i at least have more uptime for shield block with spell block
or fury generation
lusty grotto
i just bring her to mid after the 3 blowers are done
sinful copper
it helps a bit to have 100% melee uptime instead of waiting for the side to get covered, then jump, then have 5-6 seconds of no melees
lusty grotto
then adjust on 1st splooge
sinful copper
u sure it's not pre-determined? like first left is bad, then right is bad, etc
lusty grotto
rinse and repeat, idk i dont think it makes a difference
sinful copper
ok
lusty grotto
no sections arent predetermined
frosty mango
I ask because I’m helping another group get their aotc and the vdh keeps getting...
he is dying to trick shots not gatling 100%
they both overlap there when the bombs come and if hes not popping a defensive for the trick shots the gatling will destroy him
sinful copper
would also help if i could figure out which spot is bad so i can pre-move for my healer to keep me up during it too. hard for a caster or a melee to heal me through the autos if they have to move for 3 seconds
frosty mango
you also need to be ON the boss or the gatling will dumpster you
its not as noticable for warrior because of block
crimson furnace
as a prot warr,. dwarf, what can remove the mugzee stun when u get the golden hands???
solid sun
Bro what is this intricate web of information you’re trying to unlock rn
lilac widget
Hey guys, could someone who is good at simming help me out with how to do a certain sim pls 🙂
if they have time
solid sun
Don’t we just taunt after the healing absorb cone?
frosty mango
Don’t we just taunt after the healing absorb cone?
is this phase 1 or 2
solid sun
P1
frosty mango
if phase 1 yes but he will need to pop a defensive if hes going to get bombs while trick shots is up or he has aggro
or he will fall over
solid sun
I’ve usually handled bombs where whichever side they’re on, that’s the tank that gets them. Am I overthinking it if I think we should toss that strategy and just say whoever isn’t the active tank should get them
Nothing this boss does hurts me so it was blowing me away that homie was just splatting
frosty mango
i always do get bombs on your own side
lusty grotto
as a prot warr,. dwarf, what can remove the mugzee stun when u get the golden ha...
moving
thats about it
sharp gale
as human 
lusty grotto
@sinful copper if it helps... if you can move her then shes auto attacking
if shes stuck in place, shes not auto attacking
lusty grotto
as human <:clueless:1099922541923024997>
he said dwarf
sharp gale
or spell warding from ppal (but ppal would just take the hit if there is one lol)
lusty grotto
oh yes, spell warding
frosty mango
Nothing this boss does hurts me so it was blowing me away that homie was just sp...
trick shots is largely phys for the initial hit and gatling cannon is all phys so its not a problem for you - it is a big problem for him
if he runs away from the boss to get bombs and the boss is targeting him and he has no defensive, he will get dunked on
lusty grotto
gattling isnt a big problem for vdh
<@&257983573498265600> spam alert
gattling is parryable
if its blockable, its parryable
ty mods
solid sun
Well this dude turns his back a lot
lusty grotto
oh well
frosty mango
if its blockable, its parryable
not gonna help if hes turning around and running lol
solid sun
He eats party pack with his back to the boss
lusty grotto
that will definitely make an impact
frosty mango
almost 100% sure if we look at a log, hes turning around while he has aggro, running to a bomb with no defensive and getting dunked by gatling and trick
solid sun
You know one of his deaths stuck out because I always have the boss first because I generate more threat
I ate the purple cone
He taunted and then bombs went to his side
And he turned to get them and died
Almost immediately
I don’t think he even made it to the first bomb
And tbf I wasn’t even aware the boss was doing anything. He always just sits there like a big idiot
So what you’re saying tracks. Would probably be better for a retreat there to back away instead of turning and leaping
frosty mango
He can just wait to taunt
Go get his bomb, then taunt
As long as he’s got it before the next frontal it’s fine
Removes the issue completely
Well it doesn’t remove it so much as it just shifts the burden to you
But hey what are warriors for
solid sun
You’re gonna be a mop classic gamer?
sinful copper
How many machines do u guys pull at end of ML? I did 4. 1st with the boss, then 2nd pat, then 2 at the end. Is there routes to only do 3 or even only 1, or is it too hard to skip the pat ones in middle?
solid sun
You did one with a boss?
mighty owl
Silly question, but I'm new. I have done tier 11 delves, have an ilvl of 632 and tanked heroics. Can I start tanking mythics now?
solid sun
Of course
mighty owl
OK. Sorry, I've been out of the game for years.
chilly brook
granted you have to actually know the content and press defensives properly in 10s at that ilvl
solid sun
I don’t recommend doing 10s since you’re just starting out
chilly brook
neither do I 😛
solid sun
But if you’ve been concerned about your ilvl, just relax and take the plunge
sinful copper
You did one with a boss?
Yes I pull machine into 2nd to last boss
It's kinda common now
Just stormbolt the mine when it spawns and healer deals with charged shot
lusty grotto
people know they have to kill it
solid sun
My team would be pissed if I pulled some shit like that
mighty owl
Alright. I'll go and try one. The Tier 11 delve gave me a key so I figured it's time
sinful copper
My team would be pissed if I pulled some shit like that
Nah it wasn't bad on a 15. No one rly took much damage.
lusty grotto
nobody takes damage on that boss anyway, except for the blowing part
and the tank on autos
sinful copper
nobody takes damage on that boss anyway, except for the blowing part
And even that is almost nothing
sinful copper
So do u know if it's common to skip the middle 2 pat machines at the end? Or did I troll by doing it? It was hard because mines spawn and can pull it
The skip is kinda sketch because it has to pat exactly the right way to walk past in the middle of both
lusty grotto
not sure
mighty owl
Last question and sorry, is there a good addon for tanking routes?
sinful copper
I use keystoneguru site or threechest io site
And u use MDT to import the routes when u find one u like
mighty owl
Ok. Getting it now. tysm
lusty grotto
both keystone and threechest can import and export to it
sinful copper
There's only 5 prot warriors and 3 brews in top 100 tanks. Think the variety will change soon?
solid sun
Since you’re new and will be doing smaller keys, don’t be afraid to just do a simple press W route
lusty grotto
i honestly just dafault to second monitoring to threechest
sinful copper
As more people finish CE and focus on pushing
lusty grotto
There's only 5 prot warriors and 3 brews in top 100 tanks. Think the variety wil...
no
sinful copper
Dang
Why is that? Physical comps do so much damage. What is it that they lack? They have sham buff, monk buff, warrior buff, mark....
lusty grotto
people bandwagon
meta is "set"
class distribution wont change this late into the season
solid sun
All games with a meta work that way. Doesn’t really matter that other stuff works
People follow the meta
lusty grotto
keys will go up, and the ratio will remain the same
sinful copper
It's not even late. HoF just ended and we getting more ilvls and gear
sinful copper
Hmm
Higher ilvls, dinars, class tuning, corruption enchants... Iunno, I feel like this marks the middle of season
Especially because the ilvls themselves is 2+ levels of keys
sinful copper
Uncapped gilded means u can get closer to 682+ ilvl overall
lusty grotto
but uncapping usually marks late season
sinful copper
I see
dense remnant
also none of these things change spec relative balance
solid sun
You can also tell by just how many people have already finished their goals
Moved onto other games and have entered maintenance mode on their characters
tame sandal
You're also only looking at top 100 which is the sweatiest of meta slaves
lusty grotto
yeah its a subset
that will probably remain the same
not with the same people, but certainly with the classes, hence class ratio
dense remnant
do i take this neck over a socket 🤔
nvm, i'll just recraft 2ndary stats if i need to
lusty grotto
i would
dense remnant
just did a quick top gear sim, and it was +0,0% over my current one, with no secondary stat juggling
but ye
sinful copper
U simmed at 678 with same gems?
lusty grotto
i guess the question is why would you have a 6/6 hero neck
you wasted 30 gilded on that
sinful copper
We are basically capped on gilded at this point
lusty grotto
30 that could have gone elsewhere with a bigger stat pool
sinful copper
Until next week
dense remnant
think i sent the neck at the same time as i sent every other hero piece i had left, with all mythic pieces already sent
lusty grotto
but i guess it doesnt matter with the uncap yea
dense remnant
which was last week
sinful copper
Yeah but most chars doing all 10s every week don't have anything to upgrade left
All hero gear should be 6/6 by now
sinful copper
And you're capped on gilded for this week?
lusty grotto
but accessories really
red tree
Can the footmen Defend channel be stopped with disrupting shout? - priory
sinful copper
Can the footmen Defend channel be stopped with disrupting shout? - priory
No, only cc
lusty grotto
of course not, but i aint gonna send gilded on a dumb ring
chilly brook
All hero gear should be 6/6 by now
That’s cap