arms

[olive nest]

I mean pacemaker would be good depending on your current gear

[spiral coral]

It just feels weird to not be after like, anything in a dungeon idk

[shadow ibex]

Pacemaker is fine yea

[spiral coral]

I think there’s a neck from brew that would be an upgrade (for me)? Idr

[shadow ibex]

Yea it's good

[olive nest]

The brew neck can be good

The dark flame neck can be good too if you need more Crit

[sage badge]

Slayer arms owns

[olive nest]

[shadow ibex]

Next week all newly crafted will be boosted already?

[frosty prism]

slayer>demolish, bladestorminnnnnnn'

[spiral coral]

Slayer m+ alt build from wowhead?

[sage badge]

I'm playing this. Just experimenting atm

[dreamy egret]

will weapons get increased ilvl tuesday as well ?

[sage badge]

Would need to recraft to the new ilvl, I think.

[smoky kayak]

it is on wh yes; should be tagged post-hotfix'

[spiral coral]

https://tenor.com/view/gordon-ramsey-this-is-going-to-be-excited-gif-15791060

[smoky kayak]

no, you need to buy the upgrade item and recraft

[pure otter]

30 crest i think

for max level items

[smoky kayak]

yep

[pure otter]

you buy a thing froma vendor im sure wowhead will put up an artical

[dreamy egret]

So myth track items doesnt receive extra 2 upgrade tracks?

[smoky kayak]

they do, upgraded directly like all other items

[sage badge]

This owns

[tacit crystal]

rts

[smoky kayak]

idk cleave looks kinda low and there's a suspicious lack of Demolish for something that supposedly "owns"

[tacit crystal]

^

rend damage

[smoky kayak]

and who pushes Overpower that much?

[sage badge]

[quaint otter]

[tacit crystal]

look at his pfp

[quaint otter]

What

[tacit crystal]

demolish

[misty sandal]

https://tenor.com/view/corner-go-to-the-corner-think-about-what-youve-done-parks-and-rec-parks-and-recreation-gif-11188392

[candid pecan]

idk, bs could use another buff

90 sec cd btw

[quaint otter]

Combust

[quaint otter]

Or signet return

[candid pecan]

signet? you mean double bladestorm? with unhinged? i dont think so

[quaint otter]

[winter flume]

got viscera trinket out of vault and it was like 8.6k over energy drink, is it even worth using viscera over energy drink on m mugzee because i presume viscera is purely ST, also seems kinda sim bait idk?

[robust cypress]

Why are some people switching to dracthyr for gallywix?

[minor gust]

No you own

first pull floodgate and worshop

reap go BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[tacit crystal]

ive legit only seen dratnos say anything about it so its prob something with the racial or he has to do a bomb idk

[void bay]

You need a char that can dunk without walking I think, so dh, dragons etc

[robust cypress]

A warrior doing a bomb?

Isnt that kinda troll?

[tacit crystal]

just leap

🙂

back to boss

@gray herald you a bomb doer right

@quasi torrent hi do you do bombs

they might be asleep

gg

[quasi torrent]

bomb on what

gally?

i played healer on gally so ofc not

[tacit crystal]

do you have an inkling why people might swap to evoker for gally

or

[quasi torrent]

uhh u kinda want 1

[tacit crystal]

i mean drakthyr

[quasi torrent]

to easily get the tank back on last bomb

oh its to glide

for the bomb as tank yes

[tacit crystal]

so it doesnt matter

[quasi torrent]

u can also use the slowfall potion thing

without some sort of slowfall

u cant make it

or well u can with bounding up ig

idk use the potion

[tacit crystal]

it sounds like it is not relevant unless tanking

so

[quasi torrent]

its relevant for the last 2 bombs

bomb 4 and 5

[tacit crystal]

ah

[quasi torrent]

and those will likely be

mage and tank

[tacit crystal]

w

[quasi torrent]

cause those bombs dont have bridges anymore

[tacit crystal]

i kinda wanna swap to velf

[quasi torrent]

well go on then

[tacit crystal]

i have ot sit and think bc making the gold back requires me to boost for 4 hours

velf + banger name worth 4 hours of misery

[icy mulch]

So it's strange

[gray herald]

on gally?

hell nah

[icy mulch]

It might be worth Slayer in ToP, or maybe Workshop.

But doing some sims putting Slayer VS Colossus is interesting.

[gray herald]

i just topped the damage and didnt do anything else

[icy mulch]

In AoE it's ~11% in favor of Colossus.

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fHWcgZxMuVwAJGocZsBJRL

[tacit crystal]

what tmog do i wear

[icy mulch]

But in ST, it's about ~8% in favor of Slayer.
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uGHuGptKK3oUoweNkw7qSS

I do see the appeal of Slayer. No fear of Demolish getting ruined. No build up of might, but you also lose out on a lot of Colossus buffs.

[tacit crystal]

dunno if i wanna full antorus

[gray herald]

turtle shell back and green balaclava

rest naked

green shorts

[spiral coral]

I do too, it feels better

To me anyway idk

Colossus feels foreign still

[hollow wave]

I hate that when I die I think, maybe if I were fury I wouldn't die

[spiral coral]

nah

[marsh sail]

If u got avatar in 25 sec do u hold every cd ? In keys

[spiral coral]

Depends

[marsh sail]

Learning arms but my cd's desync like craazy

Idk how to manage em

[sweet crest]

Hey
Is it the best build now for m+?

And any change for raid build?

[marsh sail]

Use wowhead

And archon

Its all in the guides

[spiral coral]

I would practice just sending them as you get them, then learning when to hold them for certain packs or right before a boss.

[tacit crystal]

you just send

and if they are close you hold

theres not much more

[marsh sail]

Define close

[tacit crystal]

3-5 globals

[marsh sail]

Oh okay

[sweet crest]

Nah wow logs to see the top 1 but steel want to know what ppl saying

[tacit crystal]

avatar maybe you can wait for 10

but if you have avatar ready and others are coming up

i would send avatar

[marsh sail]

I see

But waiting 25 secs for cd's to come up for avatar is generally trolling then u less there's some rly big pack or boss inc

[spiral coral]

Yeah and if you mess up sending them, and they get all out of line, just keep sending them as they come. You want to get used to that. Don’t start over thinking “oh shit I forgot to send troar but av comes up in 30 blah blah blah” just get used to sending CDs and you’ll get them timed right

[hollow wave]

Fury has like more DR and more HP, surely sometimes you just die because you are not fury

[marsh sail]

Like I enjoy arms but it has a certain jank to it, miss the butter smoothness of fury

[marsh sail]

Good to know thanks dude

Appreciate it 🙂

[rare kite]

very jank

[marsh sail]

:p

[sudden fox]

Smoothness of fury? That thing desyncs just as much

[marsh sail]

Thane in keys?

Not at all

[spiral coral]

They both play really janky this season to me 😂 but I love them both

[marsh sail]

Maybe if you're talking slayer

[spiral coral]

nah fam it’s likely you weren’t prepared for damage mitigation/f’ed up/and/or died from something that it wouldn’t have mattered the hp. I for sure feel a bit more of a pillow as fury, but it’s not so big it makes fury feel tanky over arms or enough to save you from something consistently. Just me though.

[lean geode]

@dire hinge @thick kelp @hollow plover Finally got a PR opened for wowanalyzer to remove the Storm Bolt suggestion and fix the timestamps of BF being applied after BS ends (which fixes casts being flagged as incorrect if they were queued to cast in the 100-200ms in between the BS/BF buff events) - sorry that took so long, been real busy irl. Should hopefully be merged in the next day or so (PR review is a big bottleneck but what's new )

[hollow plover]

very cool very swag thank you for your work

[lean geode]

🫡

Blame blizzard for this bullshit

[magic canopy]

is rava dead on coll

hmmge

[lean geode]

BS ends
BS does damage after it already ended
150ms of other shit happening
BF is applied

[lean geode]

I think the arms chefs said rav still good for col but I'm also stupid so

[magic canopy]

where fish

[hollow plover]

real

[lean geode]

Probably asleep innit

[magic canopy]

@fresh spire

https://tenor.com/view/darla-tap-aquarium-why-are-you-sleeping-finding-nemo-gif-9474276

[lean geode]

Actually idk if Fishy sleeps

[magic canopy]

is rava coll dead

[hollow plover]

wait if brutal finish is applied this late, wouldnt it be smarter to rampage before even getting the brutal finish buff? or am i trolling in my thought process?

[hollow plover]

bladestorm ass rava not ass no?

[magic canopy]

idk it just got buffed 30% ill just ask someone who knows better

math

https://tenor.com/view/hacker-pepe-meme-gif-23535916

[fresh spire]

[languid burrow]

The BS buff feels ...whelming

[silver mica]

did any of our ST builds change with up update?

[minor gust]

dont need to know math to know BS is really bad for colossus

like realy bad

[fresh spire]

think it has a minor delay purely because before it used to end before the last BT/ms cast from bladestorm which auto spent Brutal and did 0 extra damage

[lean geode]

BF for fury buffs ramp tho

[granite cape]

sup gamers is the bladestorm buffs good or we still rocking Colossus in M+

[minor gust]

if you only want to play what does the most dmg its still colossus

but slayer is pretty decent now

[granite cape]

slayers fan but gotta go with more dps =/

[lean geode]

I mean if you're not in super high keys who cares

[minor gust]

you pushing 17s and up right now?

[lean geode]

Play whatever as long as you kick and cc when you're supposed to

[granite cape]

12 -13s but gotta beat my bois in overall we be shit talking lol

[minor gust]

fair

[lean geode]

Think about how much you can slam dunk on the homies if you beat them with an off meta spec tho

[minor gust]

true you beat them with slayer arms that shit will be massive for trash talking

[willow seal]

Normal Funhouse lens or Heroic Suspicious energy drink?

[tacit crystal]

i am not the demon

@quasi torrent

[quasi torrent]

youre not in there
for you are already in there

[lean geode]

Imagine listening to sleep token

More like bad token

[tacit crystal]

just wnana try them out

also scared him

[rare kite]

Sleep token owns

[fading vine]

Ugh both house of cards and seaforium is it worth replacing the energy drink? Raidbots says I shouldn't take either and instead take the hero track gloves

[tacit crystal]

i think hc hoc > pacemaker

[hollow wave]

Don't thin the difference is that small, 13% more HP seems hell of a lot, and steadfast is like another defensive

[tacit crystal]

but gloves are farmable

so

its probably hoc

[hollow wave]

If only IP was a thing

[minor gust]

they finally remembered to buff wrecking throw maybe next patch they will finally remember to adjust IP

[shadow ibex]

10 mil health

600k absorb

[dire hinge]

Hey no worries there friend, you're a hero for helping maintain that ruleset 🫡
I hope the rest of this week treats you with kindness and patience for your work

[fading vine]

Cool thank you 🫡

Also when do you guys replace your cyrce's? I got a 665 Venture Co Seal and Bloodoath Signet but does cyrce's still win out?

[tacit crystal]

when it sims higher for you

[robust ridge]

Whenever another ring starts to sim higher

[lean geode]

Sleep token have one good song and they forgot that it was supposed to be good halfway through and decided to make it bad instead

[lean geode]

❤️

[fading vine]

Ahhh okay hahaha

[dire hinge]

i know nothing of the band other than the lead singer looks pretty cool and honestly hell yeah

[lean geode]

I'm mostly just yapping, I don't mind sleep token

Singer is SUPER british though and he is not afraid to let those vowels come out

[tacit crystal]

yeah

[lean geode]

I feel like he also does a lot of like vocal embellishment type shit which is not for me personally but I get why other people might like it

[tacit crystal]

my friend just said they were a tool cover band i started laughing

[lean geode]

I think I've heard one tool song in my life

I was born after 1975 so

[rare kite]

i think they have alot of good songs. some i dont like but most of them are bangers

[lean geode]

Consider this: no

Thoughts?

[dark kindle]

I always forget that musical taste is purely objective

[rare kite]

real. just like sultans of swing is an objective banger

[dark kindle]

Well... that much IS true

An almost perfect song in all respects

[dull karma]

How do I properly sim gems? I feel like the way im simming its not really working properly

[sage badge]

Slayer owns

[nova marsh]

irrc that option is just borked

[minor gust]

[naive sage]

Imagine Dragons for people who think Slipknot are the heaviest band ever existed

[lean geode]

Not sure I agree but holy based

[rare kite]

lmao i do not agree but that is funny af

[lean geode]

Mutou you guys kill OAB yet?

[naive sage]

Grow some chest hair and chug down Human by Death

[rare kite]

nahh, our best pull is 6% i think. will definetely kill with the nerfs tho

what boss you on @lean geode

[random ibex]

mythic OAB, do you send csmash on CD or would you hold for ~5 seconds to spread to an add?

[lean geode]

Bro makes fun of slipknot and then thinks Death is the heaviest band to ever exist HOLY

[lean geode]

roster boss atm

Have like 2 nights prog on sprocket with a 19 man roster

[rare kite]

oof

[dire hinge]

[minor gust]

if your playing colossus its fine to hold cs if adds are about to spawn if your playing slayer I wouldnt worry and just slam on cd for boss dmg

[random ibex]

not playing colossus :/

fair

we just had a 9% wipe

[dull karma]

we still using Colossus on Stix

or you guys think the slayer AoE build viable?

Mythic Stix

[minor gust]

fulll ST slayer

[lean geode]

Frozen what do you think about slurry vs thane

For OAB

[minor gust]

I think slurry was just talking about it with the fury warrior guy in my raid

[lean geode]

Assistants just evaporate at this point? No need to swap just ww cleave off boss?

[minor gust]

adds are not that big of a deal can prob start as thane while your progging then swap to slayer for more boss dmg later

[lean geode]

Or hold bs angle

[minor gust]

you will prob want to hold BS for bombs but adds idk prob not just slam the boss

prob also depends how your raid is handling the last add set before the transition if your holding dps or not on boss

[glass zenith]

what do you guys bind your slam to where it doesnt feel horrible, was on 4 and it aint it

[fathom shoal]

my slam is 4 lul

dont bother me

[lean geode]

Arms slam is 2

Fury slam is 4

[glass zenith]

in raid im pressing slam a lot more than m+ feels like shit on 4 lol

[rare kite]

slam is C

[glass zenith]

c would be good

[fathom shoal]

c is overpower duh

[tacit crystal]

slam is 2 for arms and fury

op is e

ms q

[minor gust]

MS 1 OP 2 Slam 3 exe F

bis binds for me

[tacit crystal]

cs is 3

[minor gust]

cds on a 1234 bind is heresy

[lean geode]

CDs are shift+mouse4 and shift+mwd

And ctrl+mwd for trinkets

[minor gust]

all my cds are all on mouse buttons

mmo mouse ftw

[lean geode]

I only have 2 side buttons

[minor gust]

I have 12 cant play the game without it

[glass zenith]

1 OP
2 MS
3 Execute
4 slam
c Col smash
v Thunder roar
f Thunder clap
r bladestorm

[tacit crystal]

^

[rare kite]

same, but they are very good to use. one of them is overpower, other is interrupt

[lean geode]

OP on 3, kick on shift+1

[tacit crystal]

oh nah

side buttons are minute cds and walls

[shadow ibex]

mug dies tonight

[smoky kayak]

[minor gust]

OAB dies tonight

[rare kite]

what are you playing on oab?

[nova marsh]

smash em up guys

Good luck in mythic

[minor gust]

Blord colossus

[nova marsh]

Colo really that good on bandit?

[rare kite]

[minor gust]

I wouldnt say really good anymore now that adds arent really an issue but I def just want a break from slayer raid

shit is so asssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

[rare kite]

do you not touch fury at all?

[minor gust]

only if its really good on a fight

like stix

or broodtwister

[rare kite]

i would not play slarms on oab since you're gonna be stuck as slarms on mugzee anyway

[minor gust]

yeah Ik thats why I took the time to prog as colossus

[rare kite]

i play thane on oab. maybe slurry now with the buffs

we will see

[minor gust]

it wasnt that fun at first cuz I was playing Jugg colossus so demo timings were really iffy

but once I swapped to Blord I have been having so much more fun and timings are super easy to hit

[rare kite]

blord makes arms so much more fun

[lean geode]

We love blord

[minor gust]

feels required especially for colossus

[minor gust]

the other warrior in our raid is gonna play some slurry tonight

I think it will be better now especially after buffs and nerfs to boss

[lean geode]

Probably more a function of boss nerf than slurry buff tbh

[rare kite]

yeahh

[lean geode]

BS might go brrrr though

[minor gust]

yee another 10% add hp nerf will do some dmg

[rare kite]

i hope thane is better but i doubt it. i really like playing thane

[minor gust]

I like slayer fury more. feels like it fits fury very well

Slayer fury living the good life unlike arms. 5 stack jugg and short bladestorm

[rare kite]

too many conditionals for my taste. i know it's only 2 more but still

short bladestorm does feel very good tho

[shadow ibex]

fury seems to be doing p good boss dam

[balmy kindle]

Short Bladestorm is the best part of fury

[tacit crystal]

i havent playe dfury because ik im going to play it on galyl

so i cba

[nova marsh]

It's not curve

But FUCK GALLYWIX

[lean geode]

Large

[nova marsh]

DUDE

105 PULLS

BECAUSE SMALL GROUPS ARE ASS

[lean geode]

For heroic?

[nova marsh]

GOD FUCK THIS BOSS

[lean geode]

What kind of demons are you playing with

[nova marsh]

Yes seriously. yes for heroic

Like honestly it was part roaster boss

Because half of those pulls were with 11 people which was Hilariously harder cuz of canister

[rare kite]

it says it is curve right there tho

you lied

[nova marsh]

I meant to say CE

[rare kite]

i know what you meant

[nova marsh]

bastard

But yeah screw gallywix. Really don't wonna see that on mythic I'll pass

[rare kite]

i thought heroic gally was pretty chill

[nova marsh]

what was your group size

15 is when the fight just becomes....normal

[rare kite]

idk 20 something

[minor gust]

[nova marsh]

yeah that's why

Like canisters are just so painful with low group count

Both mug and gally are genuinely so much harder in lower groups because the margin for error is very small

[minor gust]

its also harder on a full grp cuz you just lag the whole time

[eager nexus]

Bruh a guildy just sold a kezan to a pug over giving it to me for bis because dinars are coming out next week 😐

Is it new guild time

[nova marsh]

yes

[sharp dust]

[floral girder]

Sounds like he made a wise choice

[shadow ibex]

[minor gust]

jesus the OAB nerfs

idk if I can keep playing colossus

[rare kite]

play fury. stuck in slarms jail for mugzee anyway

[still fox]

can we next week one item craft 681 or all craftet items to 681?

[floral girder]

just gotta buy the upgrade thing for 30 and recraft

can do all your items

so long as you have the crests

[shadow ibex]

idek what i would play

i played fury but our comp was p elite wasnt much wasted aoe

[minor gust]

im just gonna finish the boss as colossus but next kill its def slayer only

[floral girder]

I'm doing slayer but also handling dunking coins and it's such an annoyance juggling jugg with it

[tacit crystal]

do they jsut explode

or

[weak wave]

Isn't weapon dps very good anymore? An upgrade from 675 to 678 would only give me 1100 dps

Belt upgrade instead would be 17k (662->678

[minor gust]

boss dead

this game sucks

[shadow ibex]

aye

lets go

what loot

[floral girder]

we were struggling to kill the 2nd coin in time and now the 2nd one is dying before the first one is dead

[minor gust]

my dmg was way lower than sunday thanks to these nerfs

those adds got obliterated

[still fox]

then it's worth considering taking out a spark, crests are unlimited next week, right?

[floral girder]

hp nerf on them was huge

[minor gust]

couldnt get demolish off on the half the time thanks to how fast they die

[floral girder]

If you don't have mythic items to push them into then maybe but crafted items are still 3 ilvl lower

than regular mythic tier items

[still fox]

why when i all can make 681?

[minor gust]

did 150k less than I did on sunday before the nerfs

[still fox]

and next week we can by the trinket from m+ in mythic yea? wheni have all 12

[minor gust]

hot ass loot complete hot ass

im actually so upset we didnt kill on sunday now woulda had a 98

[shadow ibex]

daggers?

lmao

[minor gust]

polearm belt and boots

[floral girder]

cause mythic items are 684

so you can just craft a bunch of items yeah but they aren't as good as dropped pieces outside of the 2 embellishments

[weak wave]

I need your help 🙂
What would you do:
Take weapon for tiny + dps and 3 more ilvl or belt for big dps and gearscore increase?

[fierce pebble]

the belt. big numbhurr

[weak wave]

thanks!

[minor gust]

lol I was 2nd highest boss dmg as blord colossus

also fight is cringe had to stop dmg for timings gggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg

[shadow ibex]

show bombs

i assume lots of aoe then yea

2nd on boss i p crazy

[minor gust]

yeah bombs insta melted too with nerfs

I usually do around 70-80 mil on bombs if I dont get fixated

but yeah colossus def dead now for OAB

[compact verge]

Do you guys think bladestorm is making a comeback in M+ after the 30% buff?

[minor gust]

is it better than colossus no

is it way less troll to play yes

[shadow ibex]

12% mug

[minor gust]

kill it

[shadow ibex]

if we do last jails

we kill

[still fox]

what? is this change? yet its 678

[teal fossil]

Has anyone cooked with bladestorm colossus yet

[minor gust]

hell nah

shits so bad for colossus

BS would need a much larger dmg buff and need to turn into fury Bladestorm to even consider cooking with it

[atomic mountain]

no. you need 3 weeks

[smoky kayak]

not exactly

[atomic mountain]

[smoky kayak]

Dinar quests start next week

• the first quest awards three Dinar, which is enough to buy one item
• subsequent quests award one Dinar each week, meaning you need 3 weeks to buy another item
• you'll get a total of three Dinar-purchased items over the course of 7 weeks

[smoky kayak]

the turbo boost thing also starts next week, but it doesn't magically increase the ilevel of your items/drops - you can just upgrade them further than the current 6/6

[hollow wave]

I was checking critcake coaching video and he says that if you already have collateral and everything up, u should collateral cleave and then use demolish. Shouldn't it be better to use demolish before collateral?

[smoky kayak]

if we're talking raw numbers, using Demolish first will then buff the damage of the following Cleave, but there's also an argument to just getting it on CD - a whole extra cleave's worth of damage is worth more than the buff

[minor gust]

considering you can cleave demo cleave makes more sense

[smoky kayak]

you could probably engineer a situation in which sitting on that Cleave is fine, kinda depends on what else you'd do with that global, but in general just keeping Cleave on CD leads to the best results

and if you haven't already applied Deep Wounds somehow, then you should absolutely Cleave first, though ideally this comes from Warbreaker or Ravager

[hollow wave]

But isn't demo cleave cleave make demo comeback faster?

[minor gust]

its very situational which makes arms M+ have a pretty high skill ceiling which can be fun

[quaint otter]

[smoky kayak]

you're going to cleave after Demo no matter what, and that extra 2s for using Cleave first isn't exactly impactful in the long run

[quaint otter]

Huge ceiling

[hollow wave]

Iam dumb sorry, still don't understand why collateral is better before demo

[minor gust]

Arms players who are min maxing collateral effectively will do way more dmg than one whos not

[smoky kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/pain-funny-fan-hit-ouch-gif-17459690

that huge skill ceiling lol

[quaint otter]

[minor gust]

more like the floor is so high

[quaint otter]

I wouldn't say 3% is way more

[minor gust]

its def way more than 3%

[quaint otter]

Dunno

[hollow wave]

So putting cleave on CD is worth more than 10% more damage from demo?

[quaint otter]

Easily hitting big details with just button smashing

[smoky kayak]

With or without Collateral, Cleave does big dammies, it's the largest contributor to your multitarget damage

• Using Cleave first results in one more Cleave's worth of damage over a given period of time
• Using Demolish first applies a +10% damage taken debuff to the target
• a whole extra Cleave (100% more base damage) is worth more than buffing even a Collateral amped Cleave by +10% damage

[minor gust]

yeah and you can hit even higher numbers playing better

[quaint otter]

Or even less if spend time on overthinking

[hollow wave]

Ok thanks, sometimes is hard to understand without insane calculations

[minor gust]

dont over think then

[smoky kayak]

say Cleave does a base of 100 damage, just to keep it simple

• at 10 stacks, Collateral buffs Cleave by +250%, for a total of 350 damage
• Demolish buffs whatever comes next by +10%

So using those numbers you have two scenarios

• Demolish first then Collat-Cleave to buff it from 350 -> 385 damage
• Collat-Cleave first for 350 damage, then Demolish, and Cleave again for 110 damage = 460 damage

and that's without considering other buffs that might be running, like Merc Bonegrinder, which also encourages using Cleave more frequently

[ripe field]

Hold up.

https://youtu.be/P_I-5pkQarY?t=1285

At that timestamp he says the opposite

Hold Cleave specifically because of the number of stacks he has built up.

and waits for CDs

[quaint otter]

Situational

[magic canopy]

im too stupid to do the math so for me if both Rava/Warbreaker are coming up with a big collat stack

i save collat

but if it just 1 or the other, and its like 20seconds out i just send cleave

so i can just cleave more

[hollow wave]

The situation that I was talking about is that wheb you already have collateral stacks

[quaint otter]

[smoky kayak]

we're talking about two different things here

[ripe field]

yes, that's the situation he is in during the video. 16 stacks built from a previous pack

[smoky kayak]

holding Collat-Cleave for cooldowns - specifically Warbreaker/Ravager is encouraged (when it doesn't result in a substantial amount of time not being able to hit fresh targets)
but the question was whether Demolish should be used before Collat-Cleave or not

[ripe field]

i thought I was tripping when i read your comment, slam because in that paticular video he mentions setting up collat overlaps several times and that the player should have held cleave at a number of points

[smoky kayak]

yes, but for major cooldowns, not for Demolish

the scenario brought up previously was whether it was better to Collat-Cleave -> Demolish -> Cleave or to Demolish -> Collat-Cleave, in which case you should do the former

[ripe field]

Yes and that is Crit's rotation in the video. Holds cleave. Demolishes and Warbreaker and then Cleaves

[smoky kayak]

again

he's holding cleave for Warbreaker and Ravager not Demolish

[ripe field]

He could have cleyes

hold on

[smoky kayak]

yes, but he's holding cleave for Warbreaker and Ravager not Demolish

[ripe field]

He could have Ravager -> cleave -> demo

But he instead Rav -> demo -> warbreaker -> cleave

[smoky kayak]

I don't care about his order, his order wasn't even right in the first place

his point is that holding Collateral for major buffing CDs is good, which is the correct takeaway
Demolish is not a major buffing CD though, so what you're looking at in the video doesn't relate to the question that was asked

he also didn't demo in that clip, demo still had 15s on CD when he cleaved

[ripe field]

Its difficult for it to be more related. You are saying that Cleave should come before Demo but that is not what Crit does and coaches.

[smoky kayak]

oh my god

[ripe field]

When the whole discussion started because someone said that crit claimed it should be sent rather than held

[smoky kayak]

I don't care what crit did or did not claim, the question that was asked and I answered was whether Collateral should consumed before or after Demolish, and in that particular case it should be used first

adding Warbreaker and Ravager to the mix completely changes the nature of that question

[ripe field]

This is pointless to discuss further. I've said what I intended to, do with it what you will, I am going nini.

[smoky kayak]

and the timestamp you linked isn't even relevant since he wasn't using Demo

Crit is a great player, but nobody is infallible; that clip isn't a very good showcase of the proper order (which should be WB -> Rav -> Cleave -> Demo), but it's natural that real scenarios with varied pull timings get messy too, nor is it a make or break optimization

[hollow wave]

What are you talking about bro lol, calm down

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx_exuxpUewaez1nq2dCh8--_KU9Oha13z?si=QCyBSw3LhAZWpuBC&utm_source=ZTQxO

He did say the order that archimtiros is saying that is better

[smoky kayak]

I mean even the original question was very specific:
I was checking critcake coaching video and he says that if you already have collateral and everything up, u should collateral cleave and then use demolish. Shouldn't it be better to use demolish before collateral?

I don't think Jerden really grasped the subject, but w/e

[hollow wave]

Well, nevertheless, thanks for the help

[smoky kayak]

no problem

[minor gust]

ok my turn to butt in with something completely different

1 gorrila 100 men go

[smoky kayak]

the other part that went unspoken there was that Crit wasn't just saving Cleave for Collateral, he was saving for a much bigger upcoming pack

like yeah you can send that Cleave or other cooldowns on a Harvester at 6% and Wrangler at 100%, or you could wait 5 seconds and hit the 20 bees that are about to come in - doesn't take a rocket surgeon to figure out which is better

[smoky kayak]

depends if the gorilla knows how to use its cooldowns!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQa9OAbsur8

[minor gust]

well hes spamming WW so hes doing no dmg

100 men win

[magic canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/spinning-gorilla-reverse-turn-meme-gif-17191832

[minor gust]

also I need a discord gif version of that

it will fit nicely with my cats

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148898720803586048/1042069193392136223/20221115_132954.gif

[dim basalt]

Why is BS clockwise anyway

It triggers me

[smoky kayak]

that's ok, bladestorm got buffed

[sacred zodiac]

Diff races spin diff ways

[atomic mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/fich-gif-8633178609593078752

[minor gust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1357950136294314166/1369566473437052958/Warriors_atm.gif

good enough no I will not pay to remove the watermark

[hexed snow]

Khanz weekly vault (no raiding done due to prog and 2 lazy to queue HC)

[mint shell]

any 1 tried to make the chinaese bayblade spec work? Slayer w/o jugger

[magic canopy]

the rank 1 chinese warrior only picks slayer and is the biggest buyer in existance

[thick kelp]

He is less troll now tho after the buffs...

[tacit crystal]

cope

[quaint otter]

I mean he still needs to perform good i guess

[tacit crystal]

dogshit ahh

[magic canopy]

thatll be 150 dollars for those cosmetics

[naive sage]

This is an assumption you just made, try Ahab

[calm hollow]

2 alt + main warr vault

you cant tell me house of cards and other bullshit trinkets have the same chance in vault

[lean wraith]

which of these talents should i drop for CDR on shockwave

im guessing the extra rage one

[eager sigil]

second wind

[lean wraith]

ahh

❤️

tyvm

[balmy kindle]

Chinese io gamers are rampant when it comes to RMT services

They even have guaranteed timed services up to 15+ already( probably more)

[eager sigil]

thats on eu aswell

but yea they go hard on boosting in general

[balmy kindle]

You can even boost to 20 in china if you pay enough, it's pretty rad lmao

But at that range it's like upwards of 10k rmb +

[eager sigil]

i mean you need to be a cracked player aswell to be boosted in a 20

[magic canopy]

the people selling those are probably botting rotations as well

[balmy kindle]

True that but it's still pretty scary that it exists 😂

The joke is always Chinese always finds a way to make a game not a game

[blissful tree]

i hope you guys can help me. lets say i have one char with all items 6/6 mythic but low ilvl bracers. then i upgrate bracers on a toon to 6/6 mythic, do i get the av for the crest or do i need to have all 6/6 (crafted mythic stuff) on one character?

[livid thunder]

Does MS take prio over everything even in execute phase?

even with executioners precision for example

[lean wraith]

do we have any colossus raid enjoyers here?

[balmy kindle]

I play the battle lord Colo build in raid but I only do heroic prog

[lean wraith]

does it pump?

[balmy kindle]

It's 5% worse than slayer but you don't need to deal with juggernaut

Would not recommend it on M prog for sure

[balmy kindle]

If you have EP you press execute twice and use MS

[calm hollow]

so the buff today was a 40k dps increase?

or the sim is not updated yet

[thick kelp]

are u simming latest

[calm hollow]

yea

[thick kelp]

should be in yeah

1.7% only so

shrugeg

[calm hollow]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/m1V5vGPL8bFeNbKtNBKXry

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4GXDYsQDzHbwwURwhuao8f

sounds about right

[viral garden]

Hey guys, any Prio list for dinar for what to buy ?

[calm hollow]

Depends on what you killed in mythic i guess

[viral garden]

Nothing 🤣

[calm hollow]

hmm, heroic?

[thick kelp]

if you only cleared heroic buy Jastor

[viral garden]

Nothing too but I hear you can buy on HC even if you don't kill them

[calm hollow]

should run a droptimizer, but i would pick Jastor/Bis/House of cards

personally i wont even buy Bis

[viral garden]

Yes BiS is good for burst but you lose too much stats I guess

[thick kelp]

no

[calm hollow]

not the issue, on same CD with trinkets

[thick kelp]

bis is just bad vs mythic ilvl wep

[viral garden]

I guess I'll take ring then House of Cards

[thick kelp]

if u dont get it on myth

[viral garden]

Indeed

[calm hollow]

i have this bad boy, not worth to get Bis

[thick kelp]

-15k compared to mythic bis

[calm hollow]

-10k for me actually

[viral garden]

BiS is far better than a Mythic weapons ?

[calm hollow]

like 20-30k better

[thick kelp]

mythic bis yes

hc bis is worse

[calm hollow]

Mythic Bis>Mythic Gally>Basic Mythic weapon(678)>Crafted(675)>HC Bis

kinda like this

[viral garden]

20k is like 10% ?

It's big

[calm hollow]

10%?

[thick kelp]

15k is 0.4% for me

so I doubt 20k is 10%

[calm hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/meonly-gif-19710542

[viral garden]

Lol ok mb

I'm warrior guys !

[thick kelp]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2wCneCF5fey9yWDioBMTFe Do I buy kezan or jastor first

[calm hollow]

jastor for sure

[dull siren]

spoon fed

Chatting

[calm hollow]

you will loot kezan anyways afer reclear

[thick kelp]

negative

no more reclears for me

[dull siren]

?

why no reclears

[calm hollow]

you guys sell already?

[thick kelp]

kicked for skill issue

[dull siren]

gg

@ tsoni

[thick kelp]

any passion 8/8 inc

[still fox]

but we can mythic m+ weapon make 684

[dull siren]

xdd we r gonna do skip runs l8r on to boost Gally

[thick kelp]

yeah sold last reset first

[dull siren]

Gearing so many warriors

[calm hollow]

[dull siren]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9ig23yDW7n5ia9cor8aXrV

@calm hollow

need that neck on mythic badly

[thick kelp]

low sim wtf

[calm hollow]

its 30k for me

[thick kelp]

sandbag on purpose?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cue9mWT1933fQkCWuBjtWy

[dull siren]

BiS + Jastor

[calm hollow]

with 70% uptime

[thick kelp]

True I should be simming 80%

to match ingame better

[calm hollow]

i dont have jastor/house, its cursed

we dropped 1 Jastor on Gally kill and healer got it, cause it was rolled

because IT DOESNT MATTER ANYMORE

like bruh

i was madge

[silver mica]

Mythic pacemaker in vault!

[icy mulch]

Don't worry, I don't have either of those as well. Thankfully Dinars out next reset. I can pick HoC from Dinars, though I might grab the weapon first.

[hollow plover]

are people delusional suddenly or whats going on

[thick kelp]

physical comp holy

[spiral coral]

Mass stuns?

I would want warr/dh in Brew

Very helpful

[slow saddle]

Quick cook slayer arms

for M+

who got it?

[slow saddle]

❤️

[slow saddle]

ill prob pick up HC jastor

[thick kelp]

in dps faq under m+ arms builds

[slow saddle]

is it updated though for maximum cook

nah man

that shit has juggernaut

[thick kelp]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/arms/slayer/DAOAUVFRFQhIVIpRUBAOVVEVURVFUkFQFQCEAEFVVUBV

[spiral coral]

@slow saddle what Deswind was running

[sacred zodiac]

Deswoke @quasi torrent agree or disagree

[quasi torrent]

no battlelord makes me throw up a little

[icy mulch]

Was thinking the same.

Battlelord is just that nice warm blanket of comfort.

[dim basalt]

Played frozens build on oab with blord and it felt great

I dont wanna go back to normal build tbh

[thick kelp]

ms doesnt do enough on slayer

[icy mulch]

With blade masters torment I guess MS becomes more of a filler.

[golden raptor]

Idk if my damagemeter is bugged, but i was doing 1 mil more as slayer to dummies than i usually am able to sustain as colossus

[slow saddle]

i dno man

i just ran a key with BL instead of ep

[spiral coral]

Me personally, I fucking hate colossus and Slayer just makes sense to me

[slow saddle]

i did run with

WB as well

[spiral coral]

I think slayer just feels better to a lot of people = more damage

[slow saddle]

only a 10 but with whipes i did 4m overall

WB feels quite good ngl when u big cleave

[thick kelp]

Difference is minimal between those two nodes, altho EP gives a bit higher boss damage boost for slayer over BL

[spiral coral]

I feel like you can just keep more uptime in slayer

And at the end of the day, uptime is everything right?

[icy mulch]

The concept he's pointing out is to get more cleaves which means more reap. Which certainly would overtaken MS pretty easily.

[slow saddle]

ah

ofc u spam sleave

[spiral coral]

Thank you blizzard for giving us something to theorycraft a bit over

[slow saddle]

AHH i was running Bleed dmg u were running massacre

[spiral coral]

Chat hasn’t devolved into “we need utility” in like 48 hours

[slow saddle]

i mean i gotta try the other ubild to but ngl Battlelord is prob the BEST feelin talent in game

ppl are stupid

utility is the most overrated shit ever

current meta if rally was 30%

still not meta

[spiral coral]

😂 I love you and brew shitting on utility

[thick kelp]

Utility doesnt matter if the mobs are dead

[icy mulch]

We have util in our kit, but not enough points or tuning to make it worth it.

[spiral coral]

What build weee you running? Wowhead slayer m+?

[slow saddle]

nah

i just had collosus picked

and randomly selected some shit and off i went

😄

so i forgot massacre + ep

instead i had battlelord and 5% bleed

prob not worth it at all

but it Felt rly good to play

in 10s imma never touch collosus again ngl

coll is fun when shit starts to live and u can get those fat cleaves

but having more boss dmg is just such a good to have thing in rando keys

[thick kelp]

well the point of EP and massacre

is that you are playing slayer

in the first place

[slow saddle]

yeye i know

I FORGOT OK

i thought i had EP

[thick kelp]

even BS is slayer exclusive

:xdd

[slow saddle]

i kept pushing execute

and was like WTH is up why no OP stacks

[spiral coral]

Execute spam

[icy mulch]

[slow saddle]

not spam but like

still i just held to 3 marks and execute did dmg

[spiral coral]

Kinda spam but like not spam ya know?

[slow saddle]

though i rly hope juggernaut is gettin deleted

and execute is just strong

would make this build fuckin insane

[golden raptor]

Juggernaut should be baked into warriro

[slow saddle]

nah

juggernaut needs to be GONE

15 stacks wtf man

make it 5

and i still hate it

[dim basalt]

With 5 it is whatever

[icy mulch]

What I dislike about Jugg is that it seems worse on Arms than Fury. Fury I seem to get enough procs to never worry. Arms....

[slow saddle]

Lol first youtuber take col stronger st than slayer in m+

Why do ppl have such weird takes

[quasi torrent]

the procs itself arent really diff

the diff is arms jugg is 12s, while fury is 15s

so u got 25% more leeway.

[icy mulch]

That would explain why I hate it less as Fury.

[thick kelp]

15s is enough for arms to fully sustain jugg from pull till execute with proper play

(and 100% uptime)

[icy mulch]

Was gonna say, that 100% uptime is rather key factor. Lol

Go on a ball ride, dodge an ice spike, sit in intermission for way too long...

[quasi torrent]

crazy Design imo

the one with more stacks has less uptime

and by crazy i dont mean crazy good :3

[slow saddle]

Well make juggerbaut give dmg on fury

Its a crime its crit

[quasi torrent]

idk its 50% crit

for 5 stacks

thats honestly kinda insane

[thick kelp]

thats kinda alot

[quasi torrent]

unfortunately RB is turbo broken 👍

[thick kelp]

Execute 2 modifiers vs RB 8 modifiers

[quasi torrent]

exe does do good dmg per execute (global spent)

but it just doesnt interact favourably with the rest of the kit (as walhe said)

[thick kelp]

Now if Blizzard would add some interactions where RB buffs rampage to include Execute (ex. slaughtering strikes)

[slow saddle]

Its more i wsnt crit to be good on fury

But y exe with x 3 marks slaps

[fresh spire]

Need to just cull down slaughter/kill it or make bt buff something for a full feedback loop

[icy mulch]

That sounds like a logical thing. Blizzard doesn't do logical it seems.

[fresh spire]

Raging blow just has too much damage+things tied to it

So much it actually hurts the talent tree at the bottom as you want all the middle shit

Need to buff the living hell out of the t3 talents

To make the t2 talents weaker in comparison

Make odyns a nuke again

[icy mulch]

A strong signature ability.

[slow saddle]

Wait so u want of to be its designed to b😂

[sterile turret]

Yo, anyone tried slayer in m+ ?

[slow saddle]

Its good

[icy mulch]

Hmm so that wasn't double posted. I hate shitty signal.

I'd call M+ Slayer a nice change if pace compared to Colossus. Not really better, but fun.

[gusty nymph]

We have a built for slayer m+?

[balmy kindle]

idk but slayer likely will feel alot squishier

but reap being buffed by 40% will mean its actually a thing now

[slow saddle]

Oh y prob. I played it in some 10-12 weeklies

And i mean u live there np

[balmy kindle]

gonna try it in my weekly 10s lol , was trying on dummies and reap procs are pretty dank now

[minor kraken]

how does bladestorm feel on ST now guys in terms of dmg?

i was always playing ravager in raids before the bladestorm buff

[olive nest]

Feels exactly the same number just reads a little higher

[vivid hinge]

How is slayer after the buffs in m+?

[shadow ibex]

if they made BS add stacks or refresh duration jugg would suck less

you can have a boss with 100% uptime like sprock and still lose stacks because no proc

even mug has really good uptime if you dont have any job to do. even have adds to execute

[slow saddle]

When we play slayer

when do we Bladestorm in m+

b4 or after sweep?

or do we accept to loose some sweeps ?:D

[hollow plover]

Slightly less bad

[olive nest]

I was sending sweep after BS ends

[glossy zephyr]

wouldnt you want it up during? you cast a mortal strike every other hit and you'd still have enough time on sweep to take advantage of mb

[shadow ibex]

the MS doesnt sweep

[olive nest]

The free mortal strikes no longer get cleaved by sweep

Thanks blizzard

[shadow ibex]

honestly i dont think it matters. you are losing uptime on a buff no matter what

[olive nest]

Can you align a collateral pop during warbreaker if you sweep during charge? Didn’t try it.
*probably not because you’d have to send CDs at 8 seconds remaining on sweep like Colo

[shadow ibex]

maybe 1 day passive sweeping so i dont have to raise my sword in the air to let everyone know i want to do damage to more than 1 target

[glossy zephyr]

Ugh of course

[shadow ibex]

earlier sweep would let CD come up during WB and MBG yea

idk i havent played slayer keys but mbg lasts 9 secs after BS ends

sweep is 15

[slow saddle]

but with avatar its 22

😛

[shadow ibex]

if you for sure wanted CD inside WB and mbg you'd cancel the avatar sweep i guess

or delay the WB

[slow saddle]

hmm

mby we just bladestorm then send cds

roar + bladestorm - sweep-Avatar + WB into cleaves?

roar - clap -bladestorm - sweep-avatar + wb cleave

[shadow ibex]

just shows we really need to be able to take both torments

blademaster is really good cuz slayer aoe relies on cleave reap procs

[slow saddle]

Warlords torment is not

that important

[shadow ibex]

if no blademaster and u want cd inside mbg and wb probably need to sweep charge tclap roar cleave WB BS otherwise wb and mbg would fade

uor cancelaura it

[slow saddle]

hmm but do u truly want to WB inside bladestorm ?

isnt it better to just send bladestorm first?

[shadow ibex]

idk

im assuming the 90 sec aoe button does dmg

rookie mistake

[slow saddle]

i mean its not bad

but cleave + mbg id prob take

over it with wb up

[shadow ibex]

they sshould make it refresh/add stacks to jugg

and make it proc reap the storm like every other tick

[slow saddle]

kek reap every other tic

jesus bladestorm would be giga

i mean lets be honest let MS cleave again

Reap proc of cleaves

[shadow ibex]

they can use that to touch up its aoe without affecting ST

[slow saddle]

also do we know if sweep + bladestorm = more reaps ?

[shadow ibex]

if they just make it proc reap when striking more than 1 target

[slow saddle]

i know officially it doesnt cleave, but isnt there still some hidden interaction

[woven wasp]

that was colossus demolish stacks still proccing for 2, but has been fixed

[shadow ibex]

there was with ravager and col

[slow saddle]

ah i had hopes

imagine if bladestorm just went reap reap reap into a pack

jesus

[shadow ibex]

maybe some spaghetti code and it procs more reap but no ones tested that

[slow saddle]

i think imma bladestorm Pre WB

dreadnaught feels like a lock though

so clap - roar - bladestorm ? hmm i guess i could avatar into that, but then i loose the 6 seconds extra bladestorm

ah

i mean sweep

bladestorm should 100% add to col counter

[shadow ibex]

🤷‍♂️

just warrior things

wring your hands over order to press buttons cuz they dont interact and you dont wanna lose uptime on X buff

[slow saddle]

true if it counted towards col

it would make sense.

hm i guess bladestorm naked into full cds

ah well works 😛

still WTB fury bladestorm speed

we do not need to spin for ages

[teal fossil]

or just make it hit so hard that its worth the channel

[slow saddle]

never

want to spin that long

i think clap-roar-spin

spin adds dw r

[shadow ibex]

growing up is realizing i can eat steak and tater tots for every meal and no one can stop me

[olive nest]

Clap roar Ava+wb bs sweep

Or maybe bs > cleave until you can’t > sweep

To get the most out of mbg

[slow saddle]

why would we WB bs

is it truly that strong vs empowered cleaves

[olive nest]

You’re also getting free MS casts from it that benefit from WB

You know honestly just sim 8-10T 40 seconds and see what it does

And at the same time 1T 3 minute to see how it opens for bosses

[fresh spire]

Bladestorms + reaps

If you get procs that is

[icy mulch]

You want cleave as much as possible cause you can funnel reap off it reliably.

[shadow ibex]

just play a real spec

play colossus

[slow saddle]

ok i reckon slayer is quite good

[slow saddle]

boss opener isnt hard bladestorm stil lslaps 😛 soo

[slow saddle]

issue is growing fat .. my problem is sweet.. my god id wish those things werent in existance

But man Slayer without having to worry about Juggernaut stacks. actually enjoyable to play

[shadow ibex]

had steak and tatertots for breakfast now gonna hit the gym and eat more steak and tatertots

time is a flat circle

[slow saddle]

taterots are life

Diet coke is all thats keepmin me from 400 pound man

[silver mica]

from what i'm reading are the guides not updated?

[tacit crystal]

what update is there to change

[mint shell]

in regards to slayer cook, i play this in 14-15s

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/arms/slayer/DAOAUVFRFQhIVJpQUBBOVVEVURVFUkFQFQCFEEFVVUBF

I'm griefing myself a bit tho by wanting to have execute from 35%. If i wanted "best" dmg profile overall you'd have to go uproar and battlelord, but even that best dmg profile is worse than colossus dmg profile + colo is stil far more survivable with 2x2nd wind + knockup on shockwave is crazy good for puging highish keys like i do

[silver mica]

No idea people are saying theyre getting more dps from other builds than what im seeing on WoW head, just a general question

[mint shell]

you can also go for sweap on avatar if you wanna play more around colat stacks and boost ur aoe dps, but again, it's still worse m+ spec than colo

[hollow plover]

what kind of people are you talking to

[mint shell]

xcept if u're in a dire need of execute for prio or workshop

[eager sigil]

just check logs if you dont trust the guide

[silver mica]

bet

[hollow plover]

There are known variable choice nodes, Blademasters Torment for Warlords Torment or some people go for Dread over Strength of Arms. The rest is pretty set in stone for colossus arms m+ build so im curious what these people you were talking to have been saying

if they are talking about slayer arms in m+ - that does not do more damage lol

[silver mica]

maybe it is slayer i'm reading im new to warrior so just trying to find my way and min max

[spiral coral]

https://tenor.com/view/reading-sign-cant-stop-me-no-one-can-stop-me-gif-13921932

[mint shell]

slayer is good prio for m+ and can hold it's own on 1st pull with the buffs it got, but u're trading like 1-2m on overall for 300ish k on ST

it's just not worth it unless u wanna be a bayblade like i do

[silver mica]

I do enjoy the bayblade lol, but not for 1-2m dps loss

[mint shell]

like one in 10 pulls u will proc reap the storm off everything and be comparable to colos on that pack pull

and than other 9 u're just worse

[olive nest]

Probably a reasonable argument to be made that slayer is just much easier to play

Depends on the content you’re doing really and how much your output matters

[mint shell]

rly? i find colo much easyer to play optimaly

but it took me like 3 weeks to figure out how to propperly deal with colat stacks

[hollow plover]

m+ slayer is all over the place on aoe pulls

[hollow plover]

thats kinda crazy

Especially when we consider that colat also exists for slayer

[olive nest]

All cooldowns on cooldown + cleave on cd

It’s pretty chill

[mint shell]

ye but u play it different bc u get MBG after bladestorm but during ravager

so i was failing to realise that MS proc from ravager eats my op stacks

and in general just to figure out optimal way to play around anger management took me a while

[olive nest]

It’s still essentially the same you just remove the spin animation

[mint shell]

but i've been slayer bayblade build since i started tww for m+

[mint shell]

not rly bc slayer uses EP in any spec u play and there's some interplay between MS that uses OP + EP buffs while Cleave just uses OP buffs

also factor in trying to use brutal finish MS aswell as MBG effectively after finishing a bladestorm

i find the skill cealing to be much higher on slayer for benefit of loosing 1-2 mil dps

but there's jugger slayer that's on the ladder and than theres cleave slayer that i'm talking about

[icy mulch]

Jugg slayer for keys sounds awful.

[dusky crater]

Soz i couldnt read what u wrote before, so i might repeat Q, but i have raid in 5 min, any talents change, for mug zee lets say, since buffs?

[tacit crystal]

no

[shadow ibex]

Slayer aoe can die like jug

[rough sluice]

excuse me sir, thats not a $50 steam gift card

[smoky kayak]

this is basically the recommended Slayer build, except you're using SoA instead of DN, Warlords instead of Blademasters, and 1 CS > Uproar; all very minor differences

[mint shell]

ye, leaning on reap buff to go more st

[wicked aurora]

I feel like this is overthinking it no?

just press cleave and MS on CD in aoe in that order no?

[mint shell]

not if u wanna push as much dmg as possible

[wicked aurora]

Looking at the prio it certainly seems like it mostly is what I had said

[royal forge]

does anyone have a Refresh Rend weakaura?

[maiden moat]

someone know how the page is called where i can look how other players use cd´s at some bosses ?

[wanton pumice]

https://lorrgs.io/

[maiden moat]

ty

[shadow ibex]

p much. col aoe is cleave MS OP. move down that list. if MS or cleave reset themselves press it until it doesnt and then continue down the list

if you get to the end of the list and none of them are ready, tclap to refresh any rends that might be falling off

[viral garden]

did you always wait warbreaker for use collateral damage buff ?

or yolo zug zug ?

[smoky kayak]

ideally you would wait, but it's not always practical to

if you've got a fresh group of mobs, collateral up, and WB on CD, you're not just going to just sit on your main rotational button for 20s

[teal fossil]

i would personally double OP then cleave

[misty sandal]

I've always felt like I'm missing a step somewhere when managing collateral.

I've normally been able to manage between 7- 8m at most, but recently I was in a dungeon with another warrior who was managing to unload 10m+. Same item lvl as me and all (same crafted weapon as well).

[teal fossil]

instead of cleaving immediately

[teal fossil]

dont worry about the individual number

he could just be luckier

have more vers/mastery

[smoky kayak]

performance differences are usually a lot more about the bigger things than the small ones

[teal fossil]

if someone is heavy vers/mastery theyll always have bigger maximum hits

[smoky kayak]

If I had to guess, I'd say he probably just had better positioning, better lineups, hit more targets with his cleaves/demos, etc

[misty sandal]

Maybe? A couple of weeks ago I was able to do a 12m crit on target dummies and unable to explicate it afterwards 😭

[smoky kayak]

thing about Collateral is that building up a big hit feels good, but lots of smaller hits is usually better than fewer bigger ones

[teal fossil]

^

dont be so focused on your big hits

[misty sandal]

I'm just trying to improve and I can feel it, but it still feels like I have a long way to go especially if I want to decide on pushing keys higher than 12

[smoky kayak]

hence why the general advice is to use stuff on cooldown, unless the lineup is very close to natural anyawy

[teal fossil]

just do your rotation consistently

[zealous pivot]

are we bladestorm colossusing

[shadow ibex]

no

[prime bramble]

I wonder what the odds of warrior getting some QOL updates to our utility is

Rallying cry, intervene, int shout, etc

[dim basalt]

Close to 0

[prime bramble]

The wrecking throw thing makes me think they at least semi care

[dim basalt]

They genuinely think we are in a good place

Nothing will happen

[prime bramble]

What makes you say that?

Blizzard very rarely comments if classes are "in a good spot"

I'm all for being doomer but marks got a rework done and it seems to be paying off

[smoky kayak]

Expecting a significant rework in a minor patch, much less a hotfix, is kinda setting yourself up for disappointment

[prime bramble]

I'm speaking more long term

Say next year or so

[dim basalt]

Honestly if any specs should get some kind of rework then its arms and fury

They just have no idea what to do with them

[smoky kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/8ball-bart-simpson-shaking-shake-magic-ball-gif-17725278

[prime bramble]

Maybe, just weird it hasn't been long since our utility was actually usable. SL intervene and RC at least worked lol

[dim basalt]

Id be very happy if they could nail an arms rework as much as SV

[smoky kayak]

Intervene and Rally work now too!

[prime bramble]

[dim basalt]

If intervene has use cases its usually for prot tho

[smoky kayak]

its good mobility

[prime bramble]

With conduits was pretty fun for keys in SL

Could cover someone without a defensive

[smoky kayak]

what you're talking about is safeguard, and yeah there's some appeal

but at the same time, keeping intervene on cooldown to give others a DR isn't exactly my idea of high end Warrior gameplay

if you wanna help others, go play a Paladin!

[dim basalt]

Hard to make intervene interesting yeah

At least in its current form

I wouldnt mind it being some kind of group / raid cd

Even if small

[smoky kayak]

I mean I do agree with the sentiment; my preference would be splitting intervene up into two talents

• Intervene without interception that only moves you
• Safeguard that applies some kind of defensive benefit on a longer cooldown

[prime bramble]

The point i was making was that what little utility we did have was alot more effective not long ago

But the new talent tree would be great to do what you're talking about arch

[smoky kayak]

I'm just saying that Ret already exists, so I would not expect to get a lot of game changing abilities to help allies or anything

the biggest thing on my wishlist right now is actually just reworking Spear of Bastion into a utility ability - a non-offensive tether that we can use off-GCD to help keep mobs in place ala Ursol's

[prime bramble]

Yea they take sanguine away same time they make spear useless

Just cruel

I'd like to see a piercing howl rework of some kind